I recently got married. My husband and I lost our virginities on our wedding night. It was the most satisfying, beautiful, fulfilling, loving, and gentle experience of my whole life. I feel a great sense of power and pride in knowing "no" delivered me to my outstanding husband. I am so thankful this conversation is happening.
Good for you guys! My husband and I lost our virginities on our wedding night too, and we’re so glad we chose to wait! There’s a peace and security in knowing that we’ve only ever had sex with each other ❤
I’m glad I did with my first love, we had to wait 4 years until we could be together when we were both 20, but I’m glad it happened the way it did. Casual sex is an empty promise, self gratification.
What is really disturbing is that young people who view tend to think what they see is "normal" which it is far from being. The expectations of what they think their first sexual encounters should be like is terribly distorted.
@@johnbaker6125 true; which has had a very tragic effect on how young women have to project themselves to attract partners. Sassy, seductive and sexy is now more preferable to feminine, natural and alluring.
maybe yours are distorted. There is no “universal” standard or metric by which sexuality should be seen other than culture. There is NO universal arbiter of “morality” and sexuality has nothing to do with morality no matter how much mental gymnastics the religious zealots do to argue otherwise. You lost me at magical sky daddy
I listened to this episode shortly after it came out. I’m just here to say that Jordan Peterson saved my new formed relationship with his view on women saying no to sex. She came back to my place after the fourth date. It didn’t take long before we were kissing and caressing each other. I attempt to step it up but she kindly said no. We hung out for a little bit long and then she went home. The next day I listened to a manosphere video that talked about this situation. Their take was that a woman who refuses to put out after a certain date is taking you for a ride. For a minute that was making complete sense. For whatever reason, I decided to check out Jordan Peterson and this was one of the most recent episodes. Once I heard him talk about women saying no, it clicked. I changed my outlook on it we are officially dating and every day is better than the last. Thank you once again Doctor Peterson.
Funny, I still just plow them real quick within their own reciprocal invite. Listen, if you are 6’2 230 pounds in muscles. With 10.000 usd over monthly, even girls from church would sin with you. Loser. Makes sure you ask her bodycount. She will say less then “ 3 “for sure.
@@alaia-awakened True, assuming she is not seeing other men. If she is with other men, but making one guy wait, then Manosphere would be correct. She is playing the guy for emotional support and financial gain.
@@gordias1046 since the posting of my original comment we have since had sex. I found out recently that she has never been on brith control and therefore takes sex pretty seriously. She was nervous to admit that which really makes me feel bad for watching those damn manosphere videos and thinking some pretty negative thoughts. I’m glad that she isn’t on birth control because that is really hard on their bodies. We just waited until it was optimal with her cycle.. Bottom line is I placed a lot of emphasis on sex and really shouldn’t have. It nearly cost me what’s shaping up to be the best relationship I’ve ever had.
The manosphere is correct SOMETIMES. Some women will withhold sex as a means of control. Some women will unconsciously delay sex as an act of femininity (being reserved). This is one sign of a good one to have a family with.
Years ago I dated a girl 17; I was 19, and she was very sexually active prior to our meeting. I said no to premarital sex. she was so impressed I became her true boyfriend. We now have five adult children and seven grandchildren and have been married 61 years.
@@dyingculture1 I’m a grandma who came of age in the 70’s. Maybe many girls today behave as you described and I don’t doubt you. But those are the ones who will make terrible wives and mothers. Way below the standards of such a fine, forward thinking man whose marriage/family will become a crown jewel in his community
I experienced sexual trauma as an early teen, and as many do, swung into hypersexuality as a defense mechanism. I felt cheered on by the sex-positivity and "free woman" narrative I saw in the media, but the reality is, I was self-destructing. I've healed, but I still feel so much shame and regret around how much meaningless sex I had. It left me so empty. I'm deeply angry at society for telling me as a young girl that I was doing the right thing. As a teacher, I'm doing my best to prevent my students from ever making the same mistakes I did. Edit: there are more comments than I can get to individually but I just wanted to say thank you to everybody who has responded so kindly. It's beautiful to see so much empathy in a conversation that is usually held with bitterness from both sides. All the best.
Do not feel guilty…it is a life lesson…live and learn and move on…life is too short to remember your past…live in the present moment…every morning, looking into the mirror and say to yourself…I love myself…do it daily…you will see the difference within yourself…Good luck…
It's Very Typical how women always put the blame on themselves it's what the society wants . In My View feminism has been very positive, I don't have to blame myself for the things I had no control of
@@sucaadshardi9650 Yeah, Feminism has been very positive alright. Just ask the 63 million dead babies who were murdered because they were inconvenient to the desires of narcissistic people.
It's alright. You acknowledge that what you did was wrong, which takes courage and humility to do. If you haven't already, humble yourself before God, pray for his forgiveness (with sincerity) and promise to do better, and he'll help you get in the right direction. Best of luck, and God bless you ma'am. 🙏🏻
As a young woman I was surprised by how many men tried getting me into bed on the first night out and I always said no, not yet, I have to get to know you better, or something like that, and every time, they disappeared immediately. It hurt me tremendously because I felt they didn't value me one little bit as a person, not even enough to make it to another date or two. I carried this all my life until recently it dawned on me that they ran away because I stood my ground and my stance exposed their lack of morals, they were not man enough to pursue me with confidence. This was a healing realisation. Btw, I ended up making love for the first time in my life to the man who later became my husband, and over 30 years later we still have a good sex life. It's invaluable to know we have only ever been with each other. I never regretted not sleeping around! So hopefully this may inspire some young woman. Value yourself so much that you do not allow some immature man to use you.
In my mid teens I came to a similar realisation. I married very young by today's standards, indeed a year younger than is now legal in my country. There is something to be said about growing together over several decades, that young people are nolonger taught to value.
@@shadowfax333 I actually think it was worse in the 70s and 80s, our mothers and aunts had missed the sexual revolution and we had no one to teach us anything. My millennial children are all happily married, and I dare say the grandkids will when they grow up.
@@shadowfax333 What a lovely message. I strongly suspect we are on different continents. But there is a saying, late bloomer, and it refers to the fact men often do not come into their own until their late twenties or early thirties. Another suggestion I often make is single mothers. This is often met with derision from Americans and British. Obviously I don't refer to the stereotypical over weight woman with five kids to six dads. But over the years I've known many young women who were abandoned by modern dating practices, and refused to kill their baby, regardless of what the babies father and feminists told them. They've gone through the maturity learning curve. Their values are nolonger partying and one night stands. The downside is you may at times financially contribute to another man's child. But the plus side is you get to see in advance exactly how your children will be mothered. Another thing I recently read an article on in my country that made a lot of sense. Is the subject of friend zoning. Set your own standards. Decide for yourself that for example you would not have sex with a woman who was willing to have sex without a commitment or a relationship. This sets you free. You don't have to fear being friend zoned, because you've already friend zoned them. Nor do you have to fear rejection, you've already rejected them. * But it will teach you how to overcome being shy. *There is a funny song about this, from the 70s - Don't fall in love, girls with short skirts and no ties. As a matriarch I swear this is the same advice I'll give my grandson's in another few years.
@@shadowfax333 I get the impression she'd consider them not "real men" for spending their time doing things other than pursuing her in her perceived perfectness.
I feel sorry for younger women today, because they have lost the capacity to say no. And they are often in a loop of 'friends with benefits' because they still have their own need for sex and intimacy. I have met several younger women who have never been in a romantic relationship, but had several 'friends'.
I am porn free for about 3 months now (been trying to quit for almost 7 years now) and my views on women in general are changing DRAMATICALLY! I use to view women as just sexual objects for instant gratification since that is what porn teaches you. Lets kill this horrible habit for good. God bless you Dr. Peterson
Honestly, and no offense is meant here, you likely have a personality or worldview that predisposes you to view women in this way and porn reinforced it. It's not normal to view women as "sexual objects for instant gratification", no matter how much porn you watch. I've watched porn (and often regretted it - I'm not defending porn here) since I was about 12, and I'm nearly 37 now - that's nearly twenty-five YEARS of porn consumption, and I've never in my life thought of women in that way. I think my experience is likely more common than your own. Most men I've known in my life have longed for a good relationship with a woman and have used porn as a way to cope when they have no actual access to sex.
If watching some porn made you view all women as sexual objects I feel sorry for you. It certainly didn't make me feel that way. Ultimately I don't think porn is a real problem
I grew up in Southern California in the late 60’s and early 70’s. There was so much pressure to leap into exploring sex at a young age and it was all meaningless. I hope young women today will learn to avoid this trap. Thank you, Louise and Dr Peterson.
@@vincentsanabria While raising mostly girls for over two decades, had noticed young women becoming increasingly seductive, and sexually agressive - in competition with one another - in their pursuit of over-powering men; to the point of being predatorial. What they do not realize, is that by making themselves as available, they are in reality giving away their power.
@@NowioFel She didn't say that, actually. She simply pointed out the environment she grew up in. In my time, it was so, too. Doesn't mean I "had my fun"...I had very conservative parents who controlled the reins.
Many girls will say "Well, my mom didn't wait, so why should i?" And many women will say "How can I tell my daughter to wait when I didn't?" Well, my mother and father taught me to wait. They were honest and said they wished they had waited, and that always stuck with me. I trusted my parents wisdom, what they learned from their mistakes. So I did wait, and I'm so glad I did. It was the best lesson my mother passed to me. And I'm glad that I can teach my daughter to wait, and I can speak from experience. The experience of their mother and grandmother, that waiting is prudent and wise, it will save you from a lot of heartache.
@@kc6810 How can it be dangerous to wait until you are married to partake in activity that could possibly result in the lifelong commitment of caring for an child. My sisters and I all waited, and there were plenty of boyfriends, and there was never a feeling of being rushed. I’m the oldest, happily married to a man who waited for years to marry me. I chose to marry until we were both done with school and financially ready. We have careers we are happy with, a child, happy marriage, and financial freedom. It was the best decision I ever made and it’s definitely a sacrifice that pays off. No pain no gain 🤷🏽♀️
Louise Perry, “listen to your mother.” Yes. Such wise words. Those of us who grew up during the 60-70s know all too well how hollow the “sexual revolution” really was. Thank you for the brilliant interview.❤
I grew up later, and with a mother who grew up well before and was not someone that one would ask about these things. But I understood anyhow and on my own in my early teens that women, especially young women and girls, are so much more vulnerable than men because they can't run from a pregnancy. My take on it was that a man knows that a woman loves him when a woman sleeps with him, and a woman needs to know that a man loves her before sleeping with him, and that society had come up with marriage as the answer to this conflict of interest. I also understood that sex tends to make you fall in love, and that means risking spending time, energy and heartache on the wrong person. Free sex is not a young person's game. (Though it might work for (some) older divorcees.)
While "Ask your mother" sounds like sound advice, for those younger than the Baby Boomers, their mothers are PART of the sexual revolution and thus just as clueless as the young women today. Realistically most young women would need to ask their grandmothers who grew up BEFORE the sexual revolution for advice.
With all my admiration and respect towards Mr. Peterson, with absolute zero intention to upset or bother anyone reading this comment and a secret fingered crossed hope that he gets this message. I would love it if JP realized that we who follow him, have already listened to his general perspective on most of the topics he talks about. I would really love it if he gave a chance to the one in front of him to use the time required , just as he takes it, for the guest to articulate their ideas and go deeper, or at least just finish them, so we could listen to the interviewed presentation, views and reasons a bit more. Please, sometimes you tend to go solo, regulate the dialogue. You are still awesome, by the way.
Also, adds are very lame. You shouldnt need all that money at this age and social standing, comes off as greedy from someone like Jordan (whom I love very much)
He is hosting the guest and therefore directing the conversation. He is also running a business and needs the financial return from the time he is taking to provide decades of psychological knowledge to you for free (less the 5 seconds it takes you to skip an ad).
Maybe. I wonder if listening to her until she had gone thru much more of her work might have actually sold less of her book. I had that thought and I can't prove it. Just possible.
I am age 65 now. I was a virgin as was my wife at age 30, both faithful Catholics. We were married for 26 years in 1987 until she died in 2014. Our first act of sex was our wedding night. Both with a body count of one. We had two sons. I was an attorney. She had a major in physics and minor in math but wanted to be a full time housewife. I have remained celibate since she died. Best choices everyone!
I fell into this feminist mindset and regret some of the things I did. I started to listen to Dr. JP and he was a part of my catalyst to turn my life around about 4 years ago. Thank you so much Dr. Peterson for the work that you do! You are changing lives everyday! You have been a vital part of the change in trajectory of my life. Words cannot express how thankful I am! May God bless you and your family.
I know what you mean. If you are gen x or an older millennial,we got the message to be a badd azz babe, lol..girls were literally getting tatts to prove they weren't the boring good girl 😪
Sexual deviance is an act that can't taken back, only denounced and further damage avoided. All new husbands and wives deserve a spouse who is virgin, if they themselves are. That leaves those who wasted their grace to be with those who did so as well, or to widows/widowers/ the divorced. The severity must be punctuated to mitigate the fall of others so they don't brush it off as just a pleasure tryst to have some fun and patch some scratches later like nothing happened. I've done many things I regret myself and try not to let my weaknesses alter my perception of right and wrong. (I'm not being contentious, just reinforcing the context that is a little undersold by leaving it at just regret.)
@@asitallfallsdown5914 It sounds too categorical and unrealistic. As soon as you change your behaviour and start to act straight you deserve to be valued regardless of your past mistakes. As we all are human and came to the world to learn how to live, we all make mistakes. The virginity can be an ideal, but it doesn’t make a person of the best quality automatically, or a saint.
As a recovering porn addict I’m having a new perspective on just how sexualized our culture is. Before i had the worst of the worst to compare commercials and ads to, but having been away from porn for a few weeks I’m realizing JUST how prevalent ‘sex icons’ are in advertisements and media, both online and billboards/magazines pushing products
and social media making it so you are not valuable unless you're sexually attractive. And that it is somehow empowering to post photos of your body on the internet.
@@ahmedel-mahmoud1253 الخطوة الأولى كانت الاعتراف بأنني مشكلة سيئة. قلت لنفسي إنني أستطيع التوقف متى أردت ، كنت أكذب على نفسي. بعد أن اعترفت بأنني واجهت مشكلة ، انتقلت إلى إبطاء عدد المرات التي أشاهد فيها المواد المحظورة. ذهبت من عدة مرات في اليوم إلى مرة واحدة في الليلة. ثم مرات الرسم في الأسبوع قبل النوم. مرتين في الأسبوع. من هناك اتجهت للذهاب إلى المعبد مرتين في الأسبوع. مع العلم أن ذلك ممنوع من قبل ديني كان حافزًا كبيرًا للتوقف ، وتوقفت عن المشاهدة تمامًا منذ أسبوعين أو ثلاثة أسابيع.
You have better things to use your dopamine & drive outside of sex, mate. Don't get me wrong. Sex, in its proper context, is a good thing. But done wrongfully, it can wreak havoc.
Made the mistake thinking this was an actual interview/debate, with Louise Perry. I would have loved to hear her input and opinions more. The woman is incredibly patient and polite.
So happy to see Louis here. I find her delivery and message deeply relatable. I wish I’d had more guidance on this subject when I was younger. Casual sex is not empowering, and I dislike that we harp on this notion to young women.
As a teen I remember a feminist of my mother's generation (Germain Greer) saying, little girls the sexual revolution is not about you. If a boy tells you if you really love me you'd have sex with me, tell him if he really loves you, he'd be on his knees with an engagement ring. For me this made so much sense, and I've shared it with many younger women.
Yes me too! Guidance is so important & it’s like parents are just letting their children figure it out & make one of the biggest mistakes not waited for marriage! I wish people would understand how important this is! It’s Our bodies & should mean SOMETHING!
Oh, how I wish my mother/father had had the words and the wisdom to explain the male/female dynamic to me like this! Would have saved me so much heartache in younger years. My daughter will know this.
@@RyanKeys-i6z from someone who did listen to their parents, establishing a moral authority for everyone in the house at a very young age was essential. They used the Bible, and not only did they teach it to us, but they practiced it themselves and were open to challenges to their own behavior based on it. The biggest problems with purity culture are the ineffectual shaming and the misogyny/double standards. But when the parents are honest about their own failings and acknowledge they too have sinned, that removes a lot of the shame. When they teach all the children to be responsible for what they expose themselves and others to, then there is equality and no misogyny.
The concept of matriarch is very interesting. I've noticed that among my family and friends' families, it's always from when the grandma dies the adult children stop coming back for traditional festivals. And that's when the clan truly falls apart. People don't come back for grandpas. They visit them, but because grandpas don't organize family assemblies and they don't know how to even if they want, they don't have the same power of summoning children as the matriarchs do. When grandmas die, they take the glue away with them and the adult children begin to scatter and start their own little clans.
My mother passed away a little more than a year after I became a grandmother. I found after the funeral and the settling of mum's affairs, our siblings and I stopped visiting each other, whilst my line of adult children and grandchildren definitely became a clan. We all moved to a different state together. We would never have moved to a different state than my mother when she was alive.
That's interesting, and actually THOUGHT-provoking. Too bad you chose a STERILE username, and a BLANK usericon. I like to know WHO is relaying this message.
I am sure that applies to the majority but my grandmothers on both sides are still alive and they are not "family glue" or "children summoners." Also I believe they were the first link in the divorce chain that runs through my family. That might have something to do with it.
10 years into my marriage I made some big changes a couple years ago. Cut porn out of my lifeand relie solely on my wife. We have a strong passion now luckily she stood strong by me as we figured out this journey through our own struggles
I'm really wanting my husband to do the same. We've only been married for 2 years and the porn is burdening me and our marriage to the point that it's hard for me to love him or feel sexual attraction
@@bababooey3579are you having enough sex with him? By his standards. Because every man that is in the position of your husband would prefer to have sex with his wife if it were satisfying enough than watch porn while feeling lonely af
How interesting that our stories are so similar. My name is also Shaun and I recently cut pornography completely out of my life after about 11.5 years of marriage. My wife became my sole source of sexual fulfilment, even in my thoughts, and it has transformed our marriage and my spirituality. This came about after returning to my Christian faith and I’m very grateful for God’s intervention. I also thank Jordan Peterson because he was a very significant factor in why I started reading the Bible again and he, along with the Bible, is also why I cut out pornography, to which I finally admit I was addicted to.
More love, affection, talking, going into nature and less raw passion. Passion from the waist up must be in all case. From a fellow Christian. Cheers! 🙏
I'd love to see a part 2 of this conversation where we flip it and JP listens while she does 80% of the talking 😏 love ya JP and I know you're full of knowledge just waiting to burst out. But one thing I hope is that you separate your conversations where the guest is talking 80% of the time and then at the end of you want a monologue, go for it! I really feel for her because I'm sure she expected to talk a lot more about her book and her findings but instead she attended a JP university lecture which referenced her book.
Haha... i noticed that too. That is a JP trait in lots of interviews. He also did this with Judith Curry and Richard Lindzen (both high level scientists). However, I think he has earned his place and the right to speak, and I think generally his interviewees know this too and are happy.
I commented the same thing! 😂 He’s brilliant, but it’s can come across as self absorbed if he’s not carful. I’m going to go watch her in other interviews so I can actually hear from her.
I agree with a part 2 if she's up for it. This particular subject, I would say, merits detailed perspective from lived experiences of both sexes. Beyond that, I'm happy to listen to public conversation of serious things. I'm overthinking, but I consider the mobbing from the other side of the table over minutia.
Agree 100%. I'd heard Louise Perry before and she's got a really interesting and important viewpoint that's really worth listening to. But here, unfortunately JP didn't give her a chance to speak.
Im a 23 yr old woman, and probably a late bloomer in terms of feminine qualities. In my experience girls arn't taught how to become women anymore, as she talks about here we get lost from transitioning from maiden to mother. Its taking alot of research and self exploration to define what being a woman is to me, and Im still getting there. Just wanted to thank you for this discussion and I will be checking out Louises book
The year I turned 26 was for me the time when I finally started to feel like a woman. Whereas before when you are young and naive, and still figuring yourself out, you feel more like a “girl” and the idea of womanhood is far off. I used to be embarrassed to be feminine when I was younger since I have a lot of masculine energy. It takes some experimenting and playfulness but once you get there, you’ll know. Growing into yourself is a very nice feeling :)
Something to think about, my wife and I waited till marriage and were unable to sleep with one another (I'll leave out the details as to why). We had based our relationship on our strong bond with each other while dating and after 2 years we overcame the boundaries we were facing and now have 3 beautiful daughters. When you base your relationship in real tangible things and not just physical attraction, you can make it through the tough times. Stay safe guys.
I wish my 20 years old self would have had access to this video back then. Its never to late to learn to value and love yourself. So glad this content reached me eventually. All young women and men should listen closely to this. Thank you for this content! 🙏
I was now listening a former model talking about Only fans and she is against porn, in new video 3 weeks ago. On youtube channel site called "Fight the new drug" She said she isnt blaming men because they are as much used as consumers as the Only fans ladies are used as content creators, so both genders are used and brainwashed. Many these ladies are brainwashed to do the job. They get some social media requests, to join Only fans so its not like they would chose it by themselves. That the company is treating the only fans models nicelly, because they want them to continue the job, but she says even if they are treating them nicelly, its abuse, because its not good way, and the men are also used in some way. Some ladies stay there because they are addicted to money.
I love Louise Perry. A suggestion, when interviewing male and female guests, you usually command an overwhelming portion of the conversation with the women. Maybe it's the female agreeableness factor you commonly refer to. All the guests are fabulous, but it would be great to hear more of what the women have to say, more of a dialogue like what you had with Epstein, Lomborg, etc. I know Louise Perry from her appearance on Meghan Daum's Unspeakable podcast; she was amazing and your listeners would have benefitted by hearing more of her.
I hear what you're saying. I enjoy Jordan Peterson very much, however, it seems like his interviews have more to do with his opinions as opposed to his guests opinion. Hopefully he picks up on this and figures out how to restructure his show and realize that this is not his University classrooms, but instead, a platform for his subscribers to learn more about his guest.
Agreed, I find you don’t get to hear enough from any guests, but the women less so. Except the woman with autism who was explaining how her brain worked - he didn’t know how to handle her!
It was a bit painful to see that happening sometimes, I'd not heard of her before, so her viewpoint was much more interesting to me than Jordan's exposition of some of his ideas, beautifully woven into sentences and full paragraphs, and contextualized and brilliant as they may be. Plus her most pleasant voice, accent and parlance, and her just plainly lovely countenance are quite something to behold.
As a recovering porn addict myself, I must say what a conversation this is. I only wish these conversations were taking place back when I was addicted over ten years ago. I could have saved so much time. Porn ruined many relationships and nearly my reputation as well.
This is very sad. I remember conversations like this from over ten years ago, so they were happening, but it seems even now they do not always reach the ears of all who need to hear them.
@@RadiantStar8997 In addition to what polly said, once you are a part of a reply chain, sometimes you’ll get messages in your notifications and be able to read and respond to them, but find that they are missing from the publicly viewable replies section.
Precisely. And it's encouraging to see people from different backgrounds arriving at the same set of insights about the harmfulness of pornography and hookup culture.
As a woman who married at 20 and became a mother at 22, I can’t express how hard it is to find a group of friends in this day and age. I’m a GEN Z, and the way my peers view relationships, marriage, and EVEN motherhood breaks my heart. And so, because of the decisions I’ve made, I definitely feel old, and I’m sure it’s also due to my health/diet. I will be 24 tomorrow, thank you for this video ❤
Trust me you are not missing out on anything. There's nothing good on these streets, it just full of traumatized and empty people. Your life is beautiful and planned, thus less traumas.❤❤
Your generation is going to have it rough. I wish you the best. I'm sorry the generation before me (boomer), and the one I'm in (millennial), messed things up so bad for you.
If you believe in God i advise you to find a wife in a church context. But someone with a good personality. Theres disfunctional people in Church too but at least most people arent playing games.
Im a 23 yr old woman, and I find it hard to connect with like minded people my own age on topics like this one here. Its reassuring to know that there are people like you listening and learning along with me!
Theirs no place to connect, no one goes dancing anymore theirs no reason to dress up, theirs no reason to present your self with respect. So we must make our own, im just glad to see us all reassuring each other. May fate smile upon you all and thank you.
@@gracebonez don't apologize..... pr0n saved me multiple times from bad dates that people set me up to. Just lie and say your busy. Then grab some tissues a smartphone and enjoy
Yeah me too. I was just having a fun conversation with my wife explaining why escorts,strippers, and porn stars ( in general) were not great choices for marriage and this MMM framework would have been helpful in making my case. Being stuck in the Maiden phase seems to work out badly in the long run.
@@minagica Not all, but many wind up that way who fail to realize that beauty doesn't last forever and the opportunities it brings. Making 1000 a night typically destroys ones ability to delay gratification and any incentive for honest work.
That's a lovely way of putting it. I confess that I am deeply disappointed in conservative commentators' inability to provide women a dignified structure instead of "marry fast before you hit the wall, and in the meantime you're either a failure or a whore" diatribe. It's a mess, and I appreciate Dr. Peterson having someone to fix this.
One of the best lines, “Women were offered a promise that they can live just like a man , you can have sex just like a man, and they are profoundly miserable and they do recognize that deep down that promise is an empty one.”
I'm 55 years old and have heard that quote in one form or another for decades, but only from pundits and Conservatives, never in real life. All women know they have only so much time to get what they want out of life but I've never met one woman who regretted never marrying or forgoing children. I say this as a Conservative myself.
@@TGP109 True. different from the popular conservative narrative that the single or childless woman is miserable. I have yet to meet one who is. Unless if this was not by choice.
It is. This lowly perception of an act so sacred is truly sad. And to see people waste their sexual potential on things that demand nothing but their downfall is heartbreaking. We must do better. We must make sex sacred again.
@@mitsuha4788 Yes. Protecting our own innocence, caring for ourselves spiritually - the whole person - these are challenges in our sex-crazed world, but I think key to saving the West.
The actual conversation was really bad. So many words without saying anything. The basic premise is right but man, they just went on and on, especially Peterson.
What I’m missing in this conversation is amazing moral men that wouldn’t even try to damage a girl but protect her as a jewel while courting her. The conversation turned all on the woman saying no. And how great that is to keep a man in line. Sorry, but any man that tried things with me was a huge turn off and prove to me they weren’t husband material. The thing I loved about my husband is the fact that he protected me as a jewel and we have a great intimate marriage because of our moral standard
That's what I was thinking while listening to Jordan Peterson too. I've broken up with people over tests like that because I take it to mean they don't care about my desire to wait until marriage. Though in these cases I've already communicated my intention, and they pushed the boundaries anyway. I certainly wouldn't ever see someone trying to seduce me into sex as a test to see if I have self control to remain loyal in a long term relationship.
Absolutely love Perry. She’s brilliant & she has an air about her that demonstrates self-control & integrity & i found her book compelling. She’s marvelous.
Louise Perry's focus on the harmful consequences of the sexual revolution and its impact on society was well articulated. It is important to recognize that there are often unintended consequences to even the most well-intentioned social movements, and her analysis brought attention to the need for a more balanced and thoughtful approach to these issues.
I came from a poor family, 5th child and last in line. My advantage was having a mother born in 1924, Rosie the Riverter, depression era woman. After all my siblings moved away, my dad , mom and I moved all over the country. I was an average looking girl. However, my folks raised me up in a solid Christian faith. I took it upon myself to read the bible. My favorite book was PROVERBS. The truths and guidelines held in that book is for everyone. Even if one isn't God believeing. Straight philosophical truths applicable for anyone with a brain. Being a Christian girl, I carried myself with grace because God deemed me valuable and I was grateful. I respected boys/men with a high regard. And, in turn it came back to me 10 fold. By the time I was 18 , I had many marriage offers from high status men. From successful businessmen, pilots in the Air Force, doctors, lawyers all kinds. Fast forward, I have been married to an Industrial Engineer for 20 years. He is an elegant man. We both were NOT causal sex people. All good things come to those who are willing to wait.
Thank you for bringing this conversation to light. As a 31 year old single male, I can mirror the values you both presented and this is the beacon of hope that we need for society. many thanks for introducign the book. I just ordered it right away.
You're literally taking dating advice from one of the most unfuckable men on the planet. His voice alone could dry a woman's vagina in 6 seconds flat. He cries every 5 minutes like a little fking bitch. This is the guy you're going to look up to? Spoiler alert: you're going to be single for a hell of a longtime pal. Do yourself a favor, the next time you're going to spend money on a Jordan Peterman anything, just take that money and go buy a hooker. It might be your only chance to get laid.
Love this conversation. It can get confusing in daily life with so much noise. My wife and I are about to have our first child, a daughter. All I want is to protect her while being a good male role model. Thank you both for this insight.
Hey Scott, I became a father not very long ago. My daughter is now 2. Just keep in mind that no matte how well you protect a child, they eventually find the apple they were told not to eat… Protection only gets you so far. Eventually, you’ll have to prepare her. Best of luck. I mean it, I wish you and your little family a beautiful life. I don’t know you, but I’m completely rooting for you.
You have all the instincts of a great husband and father. I had a Greatest Generation father, he was the Rock of Gibraltar for me and my brothers, who all grew up to be honorable men. It doesn't protect your family from difficulties or adolescent stupidities, but in the end, your daughter will honor you, I promise. Be the Rock, it's the greatest thing a man can do for his family.
Absolutely loved this book and this interview. I reccomend it to all my friends and especially young women. Louise said everything that I have been thinking my whole adult life in a lovely, witty way. What a role model ❤
I’ve been addicted to a many things in my life, alcohol, drugs, even women, but porn is the one addiction I still desperately struggle with. Everything they say here rings true for me. I’m old enough to grow up before the internet. I can’t imagine growing up with a smart phone and always having access to hardcore porn from a very young age. It started with magazines for me and that was destructive enough. This needs to addressed openly in our society, and it’s not happening.
I'm also of the generation pre internet. I disapprove of parents who give children unsupervised access. It's like leaving the front door of your house open and letting anyone who wants to come in and interact with your child. You don't know whether those strangers are good people or not. Your child, for whom you are responsible, will bear the brunt.
@@kellysouter4381 it’s like leaving cocaine on the coffee table. Its that addictive. Hijacks the dopamine system just like hard, dopaminergic drugs like cocaine and meth.
Maiden, mother and matriarch... This is what I have become, but I didn't know how to explain it. I love that I can become either at will. My husband adores me and loves this about me. As we get older, we learn so much !!!!
1:03 A much needed conversation for all ages. At 66 years of age I am going to explore further the attributes of being a matriarch. I want to leave a spiritual and financial legacy for my children and grandchildren. I keep in constant contact with my family and encourage my 14-year-old grandson to be the best he can be by spending time with him, through conversation and answering his questions. Life is very challenging for this age group. Jordan and Louise, thank you.
Louise Perry's interviewing skills are commendable. Her respectful and attentive demeanor towards her interviewee, Jordan Peterson, created an ideal atmosphere for him to express his thoughts and ideas freely. Moreover, her ability to listen carefully without interrupting, allowed Jordan Peterson to delve into his ideas and share his insights. As a result, the interview became an engaging and thought-provoking conversation between the two. It is always refreshing to see interviewers who take their job seriously and put in the effort to create an environment that fosters open dialogue. Louise Perry's interview style is a testament to the importance of respectful and thoughtful communication in any context.
P.S. When I was a tiny weeny baby my mother taught me my First word : "No!" and she told me that this word would stand me in good stead throughout my life. My mother was Right. So many women can't use this potent word and they miss out on so much Respect. And I'm not only talking about sexuality.
I really love Dr Peterson and it’s clear he has so much knowledge but I wish he would let his guests speak. I’m interested in hearing what they have to say and it’s rare that they can get a sentence out without being interrupted and then several minutes of Dr Peterson’s perspective (which is amazing and valid but I’m left feeling like I have no idea what the guests think) Having said all that always edifying and I always leave feeling like I’ve learned so much
Louise is brilliant. Can't believe I hadn't heard of her before Chris Williamson's podcast. Really refreshing to hear a woman's logical perspective. Her book sounds like a must buy!
I love that it's pointed out we no longer attach status to mothers and matriarchs, as we once did. I'm grateful both my parents have instilled in me the instinctive value that knowledge, wisdom and discretion are traits most elders have, and to be respectful, regardless of them reflecting such. Thankful for the examples in my life.
I don’t really think this is true. I’m pregnant for the first time now and I have never in my life been lauded and praised so much for anything as I am for this - for a natural bodily process. Society definitely still values motherhood intensely. No matter what else a woman does in her life, this is what she’ll be most admired for.
@@KLKosi123 And rightly so, imo. But being pregnant and bringing a baby into the world isn’t the real thing to respect. The real respect should be given for being able to bring that child up to be an asset to society. Hard work that too many parents just don’t live up to which mostly creates a viscous cycle of more people who don’t know how to or aren’t prepared to parent properly. I wish you joy with your little one and much strength and wisdom to bring him or her up well.
@@freebird7017 I cannot bear children and respect the ability to give birth immensely, but bringing a child up well and making them a productive member of society who brings value is truly an accomplishment. As the saying that goes that I love so much, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world"... God bless.
@@KLKosi123 Glad to see you've been uplifted by compliments of people noticing your pregnancy. I think in general, the leaders in our country are against motherhood as a whole but thank God that the people you've surrounded yourself with are so supportive of you. That's fantastic! And congrats! God bless you and your growing family 😃
Thank you for addressing this,gigantuous problem. I was exposed to sexuality from TV , my mom watching soap operas in front of me at 3 or 4 years old, then my father watching R rated shows on HBO, and telling my siblings and I to turn our heads when a nude sex scene came on(after the fact of seeing it). I went on thinking when I was molested, very young, that was normal. It destroyed me for the rest of my life. Brain studies show irreversible brain changes and thinning in certain areas, when a child is exposed to sexuality. I so hope that porn is against the law one day, because there is no way to control it, and it has created a culture of people acting like animals with no self control. Plus it should not be legal to exploit women and children for money.
I am against porn. But throughout most of human history children shared the room/ cave where their parents and other adults had sex. The idea of protecting children from this, especially in the working class, just didn't exist until about 150 years ago.
@@grannyannie2948 I know this is correct historically, but the difference is in most of those circumstances children were exposed to parents who were mated for life, for better or worse. This is quite different than the escapism and sexualization that today’s graphic displays bombard us all with from early childhood…. Think Erica Jong’s “Zipless F….”., a sexual encounter for its own sake, without emotional involvement or commitment or any ulterior motive often between previously unacquainted people.
There were several times, while I was watching this that I felt like shouting hallelujah! I’ve watched all of Jordan Peterson‘s videos, and this is one of the absolute best. The conversation is so important in our culture right now. This author shared so many excellent points, which were then validated and broaden by George’s input. I can’t explain, but this was just such a great conversation; and one of the very best I’ve ever heard on this subject. Thank you to both participants. If you’re a viewer, share this video with anyone you think should see it. It’s an excellent education.
I was a 'consenting' child of 60s, got sober in 80s. Sex revolution has cost me dear in long-term soul sickness. I am aware, now, that I was traumatized by my own complicity. Marilyn, Raquel, Jane were my role models .. I learned how to dress and 'act' , disco taught me how to move ... At 68, I never ever known intimacy, since my grandmother's arms. She told me it would be a slippery slope.
The discussion at around 21min regarding the 'maiden, mother, matriarch' life-progression is incredibly insightful on the part of Louise Perry. A brilliant woman - I look forward to hearing more from her in future.
Gosh, this interview is a dream come true. I've been reading Louise's book in small amounts to truly understand it. It has a healing effect on me. Thank you!
Great topic, but hoped to hear more from your guest. You have great thoughts, Dr. Peterson, but try to remember your own rule.. i forget exactly how it goes but something along the lines of listening being a great tool - the other person might be able to share something you don't know. If you want to share thoughts for 4 or 5 minutes, you are no longer a host, you're sharing a monologue... perhaps you could instead share one or two sentences of your thought in the interview and then offer a "commentary clip" of your thoughts on the topic after the interview is complete? I had to skip through many minutes many times so I could get to where your guest was able to speak so I could hear what she had to say... something needs to shift. Edit: sorry, meant to post this in the main comment section 😅
I’m a male in my mid to late 50s now, very happily married for 22 years. But even when I was single guy I always made a point of never sleeping with any of my girlfriends until three months had passed. Just my personal ways, but it worked for me. Just ordered Louise’s book and looking forward to reading it. My thanks to you JP
In the Dominican Republic after passing the job interview you enter the company in a three months trial or probation. When you have a baby, you go to work after only three months which is abusive to both the woman and the baby. But if you were going to sleep with a person in a bed, that is one thing (I like the idea of sleeping with a loved one), but sex is another very dirty that was meant for conception otherwise.
Good God Jordan let the woman speak...😂 this is exactly why I loved his interview with Temple Grandin who basically ran him over like he does all of his other guests.😂 I've watched maybe half a dozen interviews with Louise and she is an incredibly polite and patient listener. Exactly the worst kind of personality for Jordan who needs somebody to basically cut him off otherwise he will run on and on and on.
@@grannyannie2948 I agree...His wife Tammy had a great interview with her... he missed an opportunity to refine his theories with her insight... instead he just regurgitated his same talking points that most of us have heard him expound on many times in the past... I was excited to click on the video but felt disappointed as well.
Christianity taught me at 11 years old everything you both have masterfully exposed here. Let us all do the young women in our life a favor and share this video with them.
I agree with you, after living through the chaos of the last 55 years. This issue of sexuality is, as you correctly point out, a spiritual matter as well as a material matter. It is not only a practical problem of birth control or not, it is a question of restraint and respect. Treating the body as a temple and practicing chastity has meaning only in the religious context.
I don’t recall reading in the Bible where it says God wants you to be happy. It does say He wants to save your soul. Our society has been destroyed because of how sexualized it has become. Religion does not say you can’t have sex. It says have sex under the covenant of marriage and only with your wife or husband. If people would follow the Bible, you will see a dramatic decrease in STDs rates, there will be a dramatic decrease in unwanted pregnancies, a decrease in the crime rate related to domestic violence, etc. People would be very much happier following God’s commandments.
Went from paying for the Tinder premium to see that 8,000 men swiped right on my profile (I was a cosplay model) and I treated these men like they weren’t human beings and based my decision on “who was the hottest and interested me the most sexually”. Was seeing multiple men who fell in love with me. I met a guy because he “fit my criteria” and happened the live near the restaurant I wanted to go to. We decided to become exclusive. We went from wanting to have sex with multiple partners and never getting married to changing our values fully over the next years. We are married Christians who are parents with another baby on the way with conservatives views. The secular mind-virus had us absolutely miserable. We went from having serious mental health issues to feeling completely fulfilled and happy in life. All because we stopped focusing on ourselves, turned our eyes towards living with traditional values, and following the word and values of God.
I'm at the matriarchal stage of my life. I'm loving it. The wisdom accumulated thus far has me content. I found this discussion highly interesting. In a modern world, going back to basic fundamentals regarding intimate relationships will always stand the test of time. Saying no, is not always negative.
I’m actually excited for my matriarch stage if God wills for me to live that long. Currently in the mother stage and loving my matriarch family members super hard for all the wonderful support they give me. You are sooo inspirational, beautiful and valuable to us and we love you so much. It’s amazing to speak to you all as you just always know what to say and how to say it ❤️
I agree, yet the boomers, are still striving for the open sexuality of the 1960s, and 1970s. A few years ago the senior communities had a very high percentage of sexual illnesses. Pharma. has played a role along with porn.
@@modestmouse2889 why, because I'm comfortable in my own skin and don't need validation, and believe in the fundamentals of a family unit ? Go pick a fight somewhere else darling! You sound aggressive! 🤣
Sadly there's no hope for my generation and under in this regard. (Millenials and under) I'm in my 30s and essentially the prevailing belief is that all that matters is looks and sexual experience. I've never agreed with this view in my generation but sadly that's what it is. I think we're hopelessly lost at this point.
Wonderful discussion! I’ve been married 45 years. Had 3 children, grandchildren, and full career with a Master’s Degree. I fully concur with you BOTH. God bless!
I saw Louise get interviewed by Mikayla Peterson and Louise was so compelling that I bought her book right after the interview concluded. It took me three days to finish reading The Case Against the Sexual Revolution, but if I weren't a mother of two kids under three I probably would have eaten it up in a day. While I do think Jordan took up the time-consuming task of trying to demonstrate there was some academic backing to Louise's claims, I really wish Louise could have been allowed to talk; this felt like she was being lectured to instead of conversed with. It was especially off-putting at the beginning, where I originally thought that maybe the DW crew were having trouble setting up a connection with Louise, and Jordan was instructed to "fill time by talking to himself" until they had the tech sorted.
I wondered the exact same thing. There may have been a tech disconnect (or appeared heavily edited) because it was so awkwardly disconnected. It didn't seem like Jordan and Louise were engaged with one another, like Jordan was overwhelmed, unprepared or very tired -- and she was doing her best to just be a presence there. I'm sure he is doing his best to juggle his very busy (if not overloaded) schedule but it's a shame because it's one of-- if not THE -- most important topics we need to discuss today. I am hoping they can schedule a redo or Part Two to let Louise flesh out her ideas and thoughts in-depth. As a 54 year-old woman who raised a large family and is now in the post-menopausal/grandmother stage, I would love to hear more about the value and necessity of we "older" women taking a stronger role in society (and as Jordan pointed out, on social media).
Yes,I feel he needs to be a MUCH more generous listener, it feels like she gets only a quarter at best of the space to talk even though I'm listening to this primarily to hear what she has to share...so it was frustrating how much JP talks, I think he really enjoys his own intelligence and his podcast would e waaaaaay better if he gave his guests more than half the space to talk... a enter balance for an inter iew would be he talks a quarter and they get to talk three quarters not the reverse. Otherwise they aren't true guests just witnesses to him talking who get to say a few things ...
To defend Mrs Perry behaviour there's the interview on the FDP episode where the conversation got wild and Louise simply side stepped the conversations and points at times to me, because she understood that's some nuances weren't about the discussion but spurred something else between the girls at times that was part of their lives and she remained polite to not interfer with their interpretations of the structure of advantage in ideas rather than interject and establish a common ground with the respect and authority they gave her in the interview. Subtle qualities like that is what makes conduct poetic but people would probably construe social awareness as a framing of allowance being introduced rather than self control of personal autonomy. Yoh really believe Mrs Perry isn't challenging JP because it's a DW production? I think Louise let JP talk because it seemed he wanted to get these ideas off his chest with someone representing feminism that's rationale, very deep and insightful with social biological prompts between the sexes. He hasn't had a discussion with anyone that's a feminist who hasn't retaliated with push back to my knowledge that tries to control his line of conversation and misconstrue his meanings. I think Mrs Perry is a great listener and sacrificed her time to let his ideas vent and breathe because she read frustration and earnest eagerness to elaborate. I think most people were expecting this to be a "the thrilla in manila" including me, type conversation and the just agreed on everything because logic has a funny way of speaking for itself irregardless of orator because it's based on the contents of conversation and not the suggested status of individuals being framed that allow for advantage to speak or not speak. Not everything is framed in power.
You're right, he did speak a whole lot. I agree, he could have let her speak more. I think I understand this - I do see Peterson do this quite a bit when he speaks to people with some opposing views. To me, it almost seems as though he feels it necessary to put forward as many of his deeper ideas on the topic as he can in the time he has with them - to hear the ideas challenged, to engage them, to hear their opinion on those ideas, to hear the opposite argument. He was not filling time talking to himself!! Haha (Maybe I'm projecting, I tend to throw up a lot of my ideas when I meet someone with opposing views. Kind of like, Here's this idea: What do you think? Do you think that's just crazy or have you thought about it on that level too? Can we agree on some part of it? No? Why? Yes? Why? OK, here's that - I really think this - what do you think? Most times, they say nothing in response... and that makes it seem like a soliloquy LOL And on and on...just humans and thinkers trying to think together, failing sometimes)
Clicked on this so fast when I saw the title!! I just recently finished her book, and it opened my eyes to so many things that I think I already knew but just didn't ever have the words for.
One of the most important and valuable interviews yet. Sex, male/female relationships and our ideas around it are the driving factor for the way our world develops and changes. It is so important that we get this right. Great interview. Everyone should watch this.
I am so grateful for religion that has taught me that sexual relations are sacred & meant to be only between husband & wife. Trying to live as God teaches, I have not had to stress about the consequences spoken about in this interview (except that my dating pool is small as I look for men with similar values). My peace of mind or physical health have not been robbed by the moment’s pleasure or by being pressured by some man. I don’t even have to worry about the side effects of the pill & how it messes with the body. The blessings of following the law of chastity are greater than this discussion has touched on. For anyone reading, it’s not too late to change & choose to wait for the full commitment of marriage. It can seem hard in todays culture & since we naturally have impulses to procreate, but it is very doable & worth it. We have power of choice & we have more power than our impulses & feelings do. Helpful tips are: to not give into the excuse/lie that everyone does it (even if it were true, who cares), understand the why behind chastity, choose not to be entertained by movies & such with sexual acts (sacred acts being cheapened/trampled), keep your mind & language clean/disciplined (actions come from thoughts & feelings), & making sure to date respectful men (/women) (learning how to recognize them, & not worry about rejecting them if you find out they’re not respectul after all. I’ve gotten to the point where I can see & sense the light of virtue or lack of light they have. I can smell porn use & I personally stay away). Most of all I’ve relied on God’s strength & He gives me confidence, peace & self respect-men or physical pleasure have no power to give me that. I’m a virgin in my 40s who has dated a lot, & I have no regrets in this area, & want to encourage everyone that it’s very doable. I’ve known many others who live this way too. Whatever your past is (i.e. you don’t have to be a virgin), let’s change the culture, even for the non religious.
I've been waiting for an episode from Jordan on this exact topic! Already know this will be an amazing interview. Thank you, Dr Peterson, for having discussions like this!
I was able to see Dr Peterson when he and Tammy were in Seattle,WA. Highly recommend to go if he's in your area. I've been watching him for several years. Excited that he's become a Christian and has brought so much of his thoughts and insites to the Bible. I have listened to hundreds hours of his lectures and interviews and have been enriched by them. Turned many others on to him also. He is a blessing. Thank you Dr Peterson
As always Dr. Peterson shows just how smart and well versed he is on this and so many things. I would have liked to hear her speak more but grateful for the content.
Is this a commentary on the cover with a box of tissues which is a symbol used for cleaning-up after you make a mess of yourself? "Masturbation will make you go blind", so the old warning went, and the book is eye opening.
@@gregorywitcher5618 I thought the same, but was focus on porn. Yet, I also understand the tissues as symbol for the tears the revolution has been causing. Both make sense and go hand in hand.
@Konstantin tbh not interested enough in this book. I think young people should read it though, it seems that they do have some problems in that whole sexuality area.
Yes.I listened to this last night via podcast on Spotify and got increasingly frustrated by Dr Peterson's pontificating. We all know he is the smartest person in the room and his mind can go off relating and correlating things in an amazing fashion. But she was his guest with interesting things to say as well, he should have let her give her views more often
Yeah... I understand he has a lot to say, but so does she. He blatantly cut her off multiple times, it was frustrating to see, especially considering how brilliant she is.
Marilyn Monroe and Madonna are CELEBRITIES. We are normal, non-coached women, a waste of time. No comparison between them and typical women of world cultures! Stop! This is completely unnecessary, and out of line! Please be useful for non coached players: it is not real. Use people as us, hit the spectrum of who we are not the billion dollar babes who have it as a career! I am disappointed in both of you! Education just flopped into a crap load of nonsense. Study, come back and give academics an answer. Shame on both of you… what about the rest of us? Men and women!!!
I wish Jordon would let his guests explain their views more. He takes over the conversation instead of exploring the guest perspective . Almost like he is interviewing himself and the guest is just left sitting there getting lectured .
The power of this book/interview is its treatment of ALL the human desires and relationships destroyed by the Sexual Revolution. At age 70+ I have witnessed all the destructive impact on men/women relationships...including a rejection of marriage, formation of families and welcoming children. My children were teens when we invented the mantra "Safe Sex" promising they would avoid HIV (new to our world) and avoid "unplanned pregnancy." This drew me into a lifelong involvement with groups speaking to the benefit of healthy men/women marriages that welcome life. I feel deep pain for the world we have created for young people. It is painful for me to watch and talk about.
You give strength to people who need it most, while at the same time trying your best to bring awareness to the delusional people who use their persuasive power to knowingly damage individuals. You are a national 🇨🇦 treasure
Grateful for conversations like these becoming mainstream so we can start to acknowledge the lies we’ve been feeding to young women. I only wish Jordan had shown more restraint and let Louise speak more, so much of what she has to say is genuinely fascinating.
As a young women who grew up believing all the lies that society told me I am so proud that I can see it all now for what i really is. This is definitely one of my favorite episodes and was well articulated!!!
This is such an important topic that I want all of my friends to listen to. 80% of the people in my friend circle has engaged in causual or pre-marital sex and they think that sexual intercourse is like any other physical exercise. My conservative values are even frowned upon. The sexual revolution in the west have done a great disservice to today's youths, some irreparable damage has been done physically, mentally and spiritually.
maybe yours are distorted. There is no “universal” standard or metric by which sexuality should be seen other than culture. There is NO universal arbiter of “morality” and sexuality has nothing to do with morality no matter how much mental gymnastics the religious zealots do to argue otherwise. You lost me at magical sky daddy
O M G .... You just changed my life. The power and the status of no. Breathtakingly perceptive. Life changingly correct. THANK YOU! A fantastic interview. I revelled in every word from both of you.
I’m currently drafting a fiction novel in the cyberpunk genre. It will be especially emphasizing the dangerous nature sexual promiscuity and other modern cultural topics like. Excellent work JP as always!!
@RaffieFaffie yep, still going. In fact I’m just about to write right now. It’s a lot more difficult than I thought though (first book). I’m meeting with a fiction author soon to discuss the publishing world and general writing tips.
For completion, it will be quite a while. I’m no Dostoyevsky in quality and no Stephen King in speed. I’ve all the story plotted and am in the first draft.
I admire you Jordan and have listened to you regularly for years. However I think you should have let Louise talk more here... she barely got a word in! I still enjoyed this episode though, so thank you so much ❤
Look her up. There are far better interviews with her on youtube than this one. She's done a ton of them in the last few months. She is quite impressive.
1:57 "I am happy today to be able to to talk *to* Louise Perry"... Well at least you know. I listened to what she has to say on other channels. She is a breath of fresh air!
Thank you! So many times I have had a loss in how to express or explain my thoughts and it’s wonderful to have someone who is interested and so insightful to share their thoughts. I am so thankful for you both!
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I recently got married. My husband and I lost our virginities on our wedding night. It was the most satisfying, beautiful, fulfilling, loving, and gentle experience of my whole life. I feel a great sense of power and pride in knowing "no" delivered me to my outstanding husband. I am so thankful this conversation is happening.
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Good for you guys! My husband and I lost our virginities on our wedding night too, and we’re so glad we chose to wait! There’s a peace and security in knowing that we’ve only ever had sex with each other ❤
This is amazing
I’m glad I did with my first love, we had to wait 4 years until we could be together when we were both 20, but I’m glad it happened the way it did. Casual sex is an empty promise, self gratification.
Porn and sexuality is completely surrounding us yet NO ONE talks about the effect it's having on children and society as a whole. Thanks for this.
Quite so. It’s so shocking.
What is really disturbing is that young people who view tend to think what they see is "normal" which it is far from being. The expectations of what they think their first sexual encounters should be like is terribly distorted.
@@johnbaker6125 true; which has had a very tragic effect on how young women have to project themselves to attract partners. Sassy, seductive and sexy is now more preferable to feminine, natural and alluring.
It's left to rightists, which is puzzling. One SHOULD NOT need to be on the right to fight the monsters pushing this.
maybe yours are distorted. There is no “universal” standard or metric by which sexuality should be seen other than culture. There is NO universal arbiter of “morality” and sexuality has nothing to do with morality no matter how much mental gymnastics the religious zealots do to argue otherwise. You lost me at magical sky daddy
I listened to this episode shortly after it came out. I’m just here to say that Jordan Peterson saved my new formed relationship with his view on women saying no to sex.
She came back to my place after the fourth date. It didn’t take long before we were kissing and caressing each other. I attempt to step it up but she kindly said no. We hung out for a little bit long and then she went home.
The next day I listened to a manosphere video that talked about this situation. Their take was that a woman who refuses to put out after a certain date is taking you for a ride. For a minute that was making complete sense.
For whatever reason, I decided to check out Jordan Peterson and this was one of the most recent episodes. Once I heard him talk about women saying no, it clicked. I changed my outlook on it we are officially dating and every day is better than the last. Thank you once again Doctor Peterson.
THIS! If she's not 'putting out', it could just be that she thinks that there could be something really special here. Best of luck to you!
Funny, I still just plow them real quick within their own reciprocal invite. Listen, if you are 6’2 230 pounds in muscles. With 10.000 usd over monthly, even girls from church would sin with you. Loser. Makes sure you ask her bodycount. She will say less then “ 3 “for sure.
@@alaia-awakened True, assuming she is not seeing other men. If she is with other men, but making one guy wait, then Manosphere would be correct. She is playing the guy for emotional support and financial gain.
@@gordias1046 since the posting of my original comment we have since had sex. I found out recently that she has never been on brith control and therefore takes sex pretty seriously. She was nervous to admit that which really makes me feel bad for watching those damn manosphere videos and thinking some pretty negative thoughts.
I’m glad that she isn’t on birth control because that is really hard on their bodies. We just waited until it was optimal with her cycle.. Bottom line is I placed a lot of emphasis on sex and really shouldn’t have. It nearly cost me what’s shaping up to be the best relationship I’ve ever had.
The manosphere is correct SOMETIMES. Some women will withhold sex as a means of control.
Some women will unconsciously delay sex as an act of femininity (being reserved). This is one sign of a good one to have a family with.
Years ago I dated a girl 17; I was 19, and she was very sexually active prior to our meeting. I said no to premarital sex. she was so impressed I became her true boyfriend. We now have five adult children and seven grandchildren and have been married 61 years.
That was 61 years ago. Try doing that nowadays, and she will laugh at you, call you an incel, and then ghost you.
@@dyingculture1 I’m a grandma who came of age in the 70’s. Maybe many girls today behave as you described and I don’t doubt you. But those are the ones who will make terrible wives and mothers. Way below the standards of such a fine, forward thinking man whose marriage/family will become a crown jewel in his community
@@debragriffin4081 well said
I am proud of you both. If my Wife did not die in 2014, it would have been 36 years this year.
@@dyingculture1 i dont know anyone of that age using the term incel or ghosting 😂
I experienced sexual trauma as an early teen, and as many do, swung into hypersexuality as a defense mechanism. I felt cheered on by the sex-positivity and "free woman" narrative I saw in the media, but the reality is, I was self-destructing. I've healed, but I still feel so much shame and regret around how much meaningless sex I had. It left me so empty. I'm deeply angry at society for telling me as a young girl that I was doing the right thing. As a teacher, I'm doing my best to prevent my students from ever making the same mistakes I did.
Edit: there are more comments than I can get to individually but I just wanted to say thank you to everybody who has responded so kindly. It's beautiful to see so much empathy in a conversation that is usually held with bitterness from both sides. All the best.
Do not feel guilty…it is a life lesson…live and learn and move on…life is too short to remember your past…live in the present moment…every morning, looking into the mirror and say to yourself…I love myself…do it daily…you will see the difference within yourself…Good luck…
It's Very Typical how women always put the blame on themselves it's what the society wants . In My View feminism has been very positive, I don't have to blame myself for the things I had no control of
@@sucaadshardi9650 Yeah, Feminism has been very positive alright. Just ask the 63 million dead babies who were murdered because they were inconvenient to the desires of narcissistic people.
It's alright. You acknowledge that what you did was wrong, which takes courage and humility to do. If you haven't already, humble yourself before God, pray for his forgiveness (with sincerity) and promise to do better, and he'll help you get in the right direction. Best of luck, and God bless you ma'am. 🙏🏻
Thank you for speaking up and helping others. Your students are lucky to have you. ♥️
As a young woman I was surprised by how many men tried getting me into bed on the first night out and I always said no, not yet, I have to get to know you better, or something like that, and every time, they disappeared immediately. It hurt me tremendously because I felt they didn't value me one little bit as a person, not even enough to make it to another date or two. I carried this all my life until recently it dawned on me that they ran away because I stood my ground and my stance exposed their lack of morals, they were not man enough to pursue me with confidence. This was a healing realisation. Btw, I ended up making love for the first time in my life to the man who later became my husband, and over 30 years later we still have a good sex life. It's invaluable to know we have only ever been with each other. I never regretted not sleeping around! So hopefully this may inspire some young woman. Value yourself so much that you do not allow some immature man to use you.
In my mid teens I came to a similar realisation. I married very young by today's standards, indeed a year younger than is now legal in my country. There is something to be said about growing together over several decades, that young people are nolonger taught to value.
@@shadowfax333 I actually think it was worse in the 70s and 80s, our mothers and aunts had missed the sexual revolution and we had no one to teach us anything. My millennial children are all happily married, and I dare say the grandkids will when they grow up.
@@shadowfax333 What a lovely message. I strongly suspect we are on different continents. But there is a saying, late bloomer, and it refers to the fact men often do not come into their own until their late twenties or early thirties.
Another suggestion I often make is single mothers. This is often met with derision from Americans and British. Obviously I don't refer to the stereotypical over weight woman with five kids to six dads. But over the years I've known many young women who were abandoned by modern dating practices, and refused to kill their baby, regardless of what the babies father and feminists told them. They've gone through the maturity learning curve. Their values are nolonger partying and one night stands.
The downside is you may at times financially contribute to another man's child. But the plus side is you get to see in advance exactly how your children will be mothered.
Another thing I recently read an article on in my country that made a lot of sense. Is the subject of friend zoning. Set your own standards. Decide for yourself that for example you would not have sex with a woman who was willing to have sex without a commitment or a relationship. This sets you free. You don't have to fear being friend zoned, because you've already friend zoned them. Nor do you have to fear rejection, you've already rejected them. *
But it will teach you how to overcome being shy.
*There is a funny song about this, from the 70s - Don't fall in love, girls with short skirts and no ties.
As a matriarch I swear this is the same advice I'll give my grandson's in another few years.
@@shadowfax333 I get the impression she'd consider them not "real men" for spending their time doing things other than pursuing her in her perceived perfectness.
I feel sorry for younger women today, because they have lost the capacity to say no. And they are often in a loop of 'friends with benefits' because they still have their own need for sex and intimacy. I have met several younger women who have never been in a romantic relationship, but had several 'friends'.
I am porn free for about 3 months now (been trying to quit for almost 7 years now) and my views on women in general are changing DRAMATICALLY! I use to view women as just sexual objects for instant gratification since that is what porn teaches you. Lets kill this horrible habit for good.
God bless you Dr. Peterson
Honestly, and no offense is meant here, you likely have a personality or worldview that predisposes you to view women in this way and porn reinforced it. It's not normal to view women as "sexual objects for instant gratification", no matter how much porn you watch. I've watched porn (and often regretted it - I'm not defending porn here) since I was about 12, and I'm nearly 37 now - that's nearly twenty-five YEARS of porn consumption, and I've never in my life thought of women in that way. I think my experience is likely more common than your own. Most men I've known in my life have longed for a good relationship with a woman and have used porn as a way to cope when they have no actual access to sex.
Keep strong brother, one day at a time. I've been struggling for a long time as well. I hope it gets easier.
If watching some porn made you view all women as sexual objects I feel sorry for you. It certainly didn't make me feel that way. Ultimately I don't think porn is a real problem
So awesome that you are having healing!!!
Decided to quit myself but having some trouble avoiding the temptation . Any advice? What strategies worked for you?
I grew up in Southern California in the late 60’s and early 70’s. There was so much pressure to leap into exploring sex at a young age and it was all meaningless. I hope young women today will learn to avoid this trap. Thank you, Louise and Dr Peterson.
You had your fun, though. Just hope you didn’t expose your kids to the same behaviour.
It goes both ways, not as many but men are also sought after used etc
@@vincentsanabria
While raising mostly girls for over two decades, had noticed young women becoming increasingly seductive, and sexually agressive - in competition with one another - in their pursuit of over-powering men; to the point of being predatorial. What they do not realize, is that by making themselves as available, they are in reality giving away their power.
@@NowioFel She didn't say that, actually. She simply pointed out the environment she grew up in. In my time, it was so, too. Doesn't mean I "had my fun"...I had very conservative parents who controlled the reins.
If in those years, they have that level of pressure, imagine what it is like now a days...
Many girls will say "Well, my mom didn't wait, so why should i?" And many women will say "How can I tell my daughter to wait when I didn't?" Well, my mother and father taught me to wait. They were honest and said they wished they had waited, and that always stuck with me. I trusted my parents wisdom, what they learned from their mistakes. So I did wait, and I'm so glad I did. It was the best lesson my mother passed to me. And I'm glad that I can teach my daughter to wait, and I can speak from experience. The experience of their mother and grandmother, that waiting is prudent and wise, it will save you from a lot of heartache.
@@kc6810 How can it be dangerous to wait until you are married to partake in activity that could possibly result in the lifelong commitment of caring for an child. My sisters and I all waited, and there were plenty of boyfriends, and there was never a feeling of being rushed. I’m the oldest, happily married to a man who waited for years to marry me. I chose to marry until we were both done with school and financially ready. We have careers we are happy with, a child, happy marriage, and financial freedom. It was the best decision I ever made and it’s definitely a sacrifice that pays off. No pain no gain 🤷🏽♀️
@dorab2402 to each their own.
With the crazy STD statistics right now….. waiting saves
Glad you could learn from their mistakes
@T B So true... in 0.00001% of cases.
Louise Perry, “listen to your mother.” Yes. Such wise words. Those of us who grew up during the 60-70s know all too well how hollow the “sexual revolution” really was. Thank you for the brilliant interview.❤
I grew up later, and with a mother who grew up well before and was not someone that one would ask about these things. But I understood anyhow and on my own in my early teens that women, especially young women and girls, are so much more vulnerable than men because they can't run from a pregnancy. My take on it was that a man knows that a woman loves him when a woman sleeps with him, and a woman needs to know that a man loves her before sleeping with him, and that society had come up with marriage as the answer to this conflict of interest.
I also understood that sex tends to make you fall in love, and that means risking spending time, energy and heartache on the wrong person.
Free sex is not a young person's game. (Though it might work for (some) older divorcees.)
@@mademoiselledusfonctionell1609 Great comment.❤️
While "Ask your mother" sounds like sound advice, for those younger than the Baby Boomers, their mothers are PART of the sexual revolution and thus just as clueless as the young women today. Realistically most young women would need to ask their grandmothers who grew up BEFORE the sexual revolution for advice.
Aren't the women who grew up in the 60s and 70s those that started this whole thing?
@@BirdTurdMemes
My mum grew up in the 30s and 40s
and I in the 70s and 80s.
We are both innocent.
With all my admiration and respect towards Mr. Peterson, with absolute zero intention to upset or bother anyone reading this comment and a secret fingered crossed hope that he gets this message. I would love it if JP realized that we who follow him, have already listened to his general perspective on most of the topics he talks about. I would really love it if he gave a chance to the one in front of him to use the time required , just as he takes it, for the guest to articulate their ideas and go deeper, or at least just finish them, so we could listen to the interviewed presentation, views and reasons a bit more. Please, sometimes you tend to go solo, regulate the dialogue. You are still awesome, by the way.
1:30:10 made me physically cringe.
Also, adds are very lame. You shouldnt need all that money at this age and social standing, comes off as greedy from someone like Jordan (whom I love very much)
Thank you for this! I've noticed the same in other interviews as well and I feel like it's a missed opportunity for the guests and listeners.
He is hosting the guest and therefore directing the conversation. He is also running a business and needs the financial return from the time he is taking to provide decades of psychological knowledge to you for free (less the 5 seconds it takes you to skip an ad).
Maybe. I wonder if listening to her until she had gone thru much more of her work might have actually sold less of her book. I had that thought and I can't prove it. Just possible.
I am age 65 now. I was a virgin as was my wife at age 30, both faithful Catholics. We were married for 26 years in 1987 until she died in 2014. Our first act of sex was our wedding night. Both with a body count of one. We had two sons. I was an attorney. She had a major in physics and minor in math but wanted to be a full time housewife. I have remained celibate since she died. Best choices everyone!
Beautiful life
based grandpa
@@baltimorewhisperer Not a grandfather yet!
@@portraitofman2063 God's loving embrace always awaits you and that of the Most Blessed Virgin!
You are a strong, loving, good man, Dave. Counter-cultural. A man who can stay virtuous in these situations, can do anything with God.
I fell into this feminist mindset and regret some of the things I did. I started to listen to Dr. JP and he was a part of my catalyst to turn my life around about 4 years ago. Thank you so much Dr. Peterson for the work that you do! You are changing lives everyday! You have been a vital part of the change in trajectory of my life. Words cannot express how thankful I am! May God bless you and your family.
I know what you mean. If you are gen x or an older millennial,we got the message to be a badd azz babe, lol..girls were literally getting tatts to prove they weren't the boring good girl 😪
Sexual deviance is an act that can't taken back, only denounced and further damage avoided.
All new husbands and wives deserve a spouse who is virgin, if they themselves are. That leaves those who wasted their grace to be with those who did so as well, or to widows/widowers/ the divorced.
The severity must be punctuated to mitigate the fall of others so they don't brush it off as just a pleasure tryst to have some fun and patch some scratches later like nothing happened.
I've done many things I regret myself and try not to let my weaknesses alter my perception of right and wrong.
(I'm not being contentious, just reinforcing the context that is a little undersold by leaving it at just regret.)
@@asitallfallsdown5914 It sounds too categorical and unrealistic. As soon as you change your behaviour and start to act straight you deserve to be valued regardless of your past mistakes. As we all are human and came to the world to learn how to live, we all make mistakes. The virginity can be an ideal, but it doesn’t make a person of the best quality automatically, or a saint.
@@Notmyrealname099 Agreed.
Christ died for your sins to make it possible for you to get your lost virginity back - in a spiritual sense!
As a recovering porn addict I’m having a new perspective on just how sexualized our culture is. Before i had the worst of the worst to compare commercials and ads to, but having been away from porn for a few weeks I’m realizing JUST how prevalent ‘sex icons’ are in advertisements and media, both online and billboards/magazines pushing products
and social media making it so you are not valuable unless you're sexually attractive. And that it is somehow empowering to post photos of your body on the internet.
Hi! I d’ like to tap From from your recovery program and history. Thank you
@@ahmedel-mahmoud1253 الخطوة الأولى كانت الاعتراف بأنني مشكلة سيئة. قلت لنفسي إنني أستطيع التوقف متى أردت ، كنت أكذب على نفسي. بعد أن اعترفت بأنني واجهت مشكلة ، انتقلت إلى إبطاء عدد المرات التي أشاهد فيها المواد المحظورة. ذهبت من عدة مرات في اليوم إلى مرة واحدة في الليلة. ثم مرات الرسم في الأسبوع قبل النوم. مرتين في الأسبوع. من هناك اتجهت للذهاب إلى المعبد مرتين في الأسبوع. مع العلم أن ذلك ممنوع من قبل ديني كان حافزًا كبيرًا للتوقف ، وتوقفت عن المشاهدة تمامًا منذ أسبوعين أو ثلاثة أسابيع.
آسف إذا لم تكن هذه ترجمة مثالية ، فقد استخدمت أحد التطبيقات
You have better things to use your dopamine & drive outside of sex, mate. Don't get me wrong. Sex, in its proper context, is a good thing. But done wrongfully, it can wreak havoc.
Made the mistake thinking this was an actual interview/debate, with Louise Perry. I would have loved to hear her input and opinions more. The woman is incredibly patient and polite.
It was a good discussion. What are you complaining about? Read her book
YES. Would've been nice to hear her input rather than a preview Peterson's next book or something. 😒
Thanks. 20 minutes in and I'm wondering if I hear and interview here or a monologue. Of the 20 minutes Louise is talking like 2....
You can buy her book and find other videos that feature her. You could also have your own podcast and try to get her on!
So happy to see Louis here. I find her delivery and message deeply relatable. I wish I’d had more guidance on this subject when I was younger. Casual sex is not empowering, and I dislike that we harp on this notion to young women.
Dont engage in it. I as a young man don't sleep around. I'm glad u understand the dangers.too many women ignore people like me who try to save them.
As a teen I remember a feminist of my mother's generation (Germain Greer) saying, little girls the sexual revolution is not about you. If a boy tells you if you really love me you'd have sex with me, tell him if he really loves you, he'd be on his knees with an engagement ring. For me this made so much sense, and I've shared it with many younger women.
Yes me too! Guidance is so important & it’s like parents are just letting their children figure it out & make one of the biggest mistakes not waited for marriage! I wish people would understand how important this is! It’s Our bodies & should mean SOMETHING!
@@KD400_as if its an option for most young men.
@@goldenboy06 its not an option but it can be done. But my point was that women get decieved by it easily
Oh, how I wish my mother/father had had the words and the wisdom to explain the male/female dynamic to me like this! Would have saved me so much heartache in younger years. My daughter will know this.
It is great that you can pass on the message
You probably wouldn't have listened. I know I didn't, unfortunately.
They never do, then they get old and need attention but didn't prepare their next generation...etc
Me too, how do i teach this to my kids?
I’m trying to figure out where to even start
@@RyanKeys-i6z from someone who did listen to their parents, establishing a moral authority for everyone in the house at a very young age was essential.
They used the Bible, and not only did they teach it to us, but they practiced it themselves and were open to challenges to their own behavior based on it.
The biggest problems with purity culture are the ineffectual shaming and the misogyny/double standards. But when the parents are honest about their own failings and acknowledge they too have sinned, that removes a lot of the shame. When they teach all the children to be responsible for what they expose themselves and others to, then there is equality and no misogyny.
The concept of matriarch is very interesting. I've noticed that among my family and friends' families, it's always from when the grandma dies the adult children stop coming back for traditional festivals. And that's when the clan truly falls apart. People don't come back for grandpas. They visit them, but because grandpas don't organize family assemblies and they don't know how to even if they want, they don't have the same power of summoning children as the matriarchs do.
When grandmas die, they take the glue away with them and the adult children begin to scatter and start their own little clans.
My mother passed away a little more than a year after I became a grandmother. I found after the funeral and the settling of mum's affairs, our siblings and I stopped visiting each other, whilst my line of adult children and grandchildren definitely became a clan. We all moved to a different state together. We would never have moved to a different state than my mother when she was alive.
My father is the big party planner type guy, though my mother is the one who enjoys making mountains of food. They're a good, hard-working team.
Absolutely true, more than 1/2 our family of 8 never show up for family reunions anymore.
That's interesting, and actually THOUGHT-provoking. Too bad you chose a STERILE username, and a BLANK usericon. I like to know WHO is relaying this message.
I am sure that applies to the majority but my grandmothers on both sides are still alive and they are not "family glue" or "children summoners." Also I believe they were the first link in the divorce chain that runs through my family. That might have something to do with it.
10 years into my marriage I made some big changes a couple years ago. Cut porn out of my lifeand relie solely on my wife. We have a strong passion now luckily she stood strong by me as we figured out this journey through our own struggles
That’s wonderful. Good job sir, blessings to you and your wife
I'm really wanting my husband to do the same. We've only been married for 2 years and the porn is burdening me and our marriage to the point that it's hard for me to love him or feel sexual attraction
@@bababooey3579are you having enough sex with him? By his standards. Because every man that is in the position of your husband would prefer to have sex with his wife if it were satisfying enough than watch porn while feeling lonely af
How interesting that our stories are so similar. My name is also Shaun and I recently cut pornography completely out of my life after about 11.5 years of marriage. My wife became my sole source of sexual fulfilment, even in my thoughts, and it has transformed our marriage and my spirituality.
This came about after returning to my Christian faith and I’m very grateful for God’s intervention. I also thank Jordan Peterson because he was a very significant factor in why I started reading the Bible again and he, along with the Bible, is also why I cut out pornography, to which I finally admit I was addicted to.
More love, affection, talking, going into nature and less raw passion. Passion from the waist up must be in all case. From a fellow Christian. Cheers! 🙏
I'd love to see a part 2 of this conversation where we flip it and JP listens while she does 80% of the talking 😏 love ya JP and I know you're full of knowledge just waiting to burst out. But one thing I hope is that you separate your conversations where the guest is talking 80% of the time and then at the end of you want a monologue, go for it! I really feel for her because I'm sure she expected to talk a lot more about her book and her findings but instead she attended a JP university lecture which referenced her book.
Haha... i noticed that too. That is a JP trait in lots of interviews. He also did this with Judith Curry and Richard Lindzen (both high level scientists). However, I think he has earned his place and the right to speak, and I think generally his interviewees know this too and are happy.
I commented the same thing! 😂 He’s brilliant, but it’s can come across as self absorbed if he’s not carful. I’m going to go watch her in other interviews so I can actually hear from her.
I agree with a part 2 if she's up for it. This particular subject, I would say, merits detailed perspective from lived experiences of both sexes. Beyond that, I'm happy to listen to public conversation of serious things. I'm overthinking, but I consider the mobbing from the other side of the table over minutia.
Agree 100%. I'd heard Louise Perry before and she's got a really interesting and important viewpoint that's really worth listening to. But here, unfortunately JP didn't give her a chance to speak.
Absolutely agree. He made some great points but I really wanted to hear what she had to say.
Im a 23 yr old woman, and probably a late bloomer in terms of feminine qualities. In my experience girls arn't taught how to become women anymore, as she talks about here we get lost from transitioning from maiden to mother. Its taking alot of research and self exploration to define what being a woman is to me, and Im still getting there.
Just wanted to thank you for this discussion and I will be checking out Louises book
Do ya like history? Any thoughts on Mormons? Hi, btw
Hehe try having your bloom in your 30s
@@masterson0713 It’s not for everyone. I was highly harmed by the culture of Mormonism so I left, I am happier now.
@@di3486 would you mind elaborating? I just started talking to them.
The year I turned 26 was for me the time when I finally started to feel like a woman. Whereas before when you are young and naive, and still figuring yourself out, you feel more like a “girl” and the idea of womanhood is far off. I used to be embarrassed to be feminine when I was younger since I have a lot of masculine energy. It takes some experimenting and playfulness but once you get there, you’ll know. Growing into yourself is a very nice feeling :)
Something to think about, my wife and I waited till marriage and were unable to sleep with one another (I'll leave out the details as to why). We had based our relationship on our strong bond with each other while dating and after 2 years we overcame the boundaries we were facing and now have 3 beautiful daughters. When you base your relationship in real tangible things and not just physical attraction, you can make it through the tough times. Stay safe guys.
Good for you man!
You guys are not alone. I also was that lucky 😏
Agreed!
MY EX WIFE AND i WAITED FOR MARRIAGE TOO THEN THE BITCH LEFT ME and said I wanted sex too much.
@@modestmouse2889 I can tell why she left just by your writing lol
I wish my 20 years old self would have had access to this video back then. Its never to late to learn to value and love yourself. So glad this content reached me eventually. All young women and men should listen closely to this. Thank you for this content! 🙏
I was now listening a former model talking about Only fans and she is against porn, in new video 3 weeks ago.
On youtube channel site called "Fight the new drug"
She said she isnt blaming men because they are as much used as consumers
as the Only fans ladies are used as content creators, so both genders are used and brainwashed.
Many these ladies are brainwashed to do the job. They get some social media requests, to join Only fans so its not like they would chose it by themselves.
That the company is treating the only fans models nicelly, because they want them to continue the job, but she says even if they are treating them nicelly, its abuse, because its not good way, and the men are also used in some way.
Some ladies stay there because they are addicted to money.
It's what The Bible said. It's not new
I love Louise Perry. A suggestion, when interviewing male and female guests, you usually command an overwhelming portion of the conversation with the women. Maybe it's the female agreeableness factor you commonly refer to. All the guests are fabulous, but it would be great to hear more of what the women have to say, more of a dialogue like what you had with Epstein, Lomborg, etc. I know Louise Perry from her appearance on Meghan Daum's Unspeakable podcast; she was amazing and your listeners would have benefitted by hearing more of her.
I hear what you're saying. I enjoy Jordan Peterson very much, however, it seems like his interviews have more to do with his opinions as opposed to his guests opinion.
Hopefully he picks up on this and figures out how to restructure his show and realize that this is not his University classrooms, but instead, a platform for his subscribers to learn more about his guest.
Agreed, I find you don’t get to hear enough from any guests, but the women less so. Except the woman with autism who was explaining how her brain worked - he didn’t know how to handle her!
Agree, I would have liked to hear more of Louise, she didn't get much of a chance to say anything.
@@rubyshoes9195 "Here are my views against a background of Louise Perry." "Here are my views against a backdrop of Konstantin Kisin."
It was a bit painful to see that happening sometimes, I'd not heard of her before, so her viewpoint was much more interesting to me than Jordan's exposition of some of his ideas, beautifully woven into sentences and full paragraphs, and contextualized and brilliant as they may be. Plus her most pleasant voice, accent and parlance, and her just plainly lovely countenance are quite something to behold.
As a recovering porn addict myself, I must say what a conversation this is. I only wish these conversations were taking place back when I was addicted over ten years ago. I could have saved so much time. Porn ruined many relationships and nearly my reputation as well.
Many Pastors are snagged by this temptation of porn calling it harder to quit than addictive drugs… not a relationship support
@SadRahne you were married, why would you fantasize over pretend images when you had the real deal. I think men are also lead astray.
This is very sad. I remember conversations like this from over ten years ago, so they were happening, but it seems even now they do not always reach the ears of all who need to hear them.
@@RadiantStar8997 In addition to what polly said, once you are a part of a reply chain, sometimes you’ll get messages in your notifications and be able to read and respond to them, but find that they are missing from the publicly viewable replies section.
@@KirisutonoNeko
...so what or who determines which replys are publicly unreadable?...
An excellent and necessary conversation!
True
Amen
Precisely. And it's encouraging to see people from different backgrounds arriving at the same set of insights about the harmfulness of pornography and hookup culture.
She shouuld go on FnF That would be a clash between the young girls and her
Hey zuby
As a woman who married at 20 and became a mother at 22, I can’t express how hard it is to find a group of friends in this day and age. I’m a GEN Z, and the way my peers view relationships, marriage, and EVEN motherhood breaks my heart. And so, because of the decisions I’ve made, I definitely feel old, and I’m sure it’s also due to my health/diet.
I will be 24 tomorrow, thank you for this video ❤
Same here, my wife is 20, and we were teen parents, completely understand how you feel she wishes she could have friends who understand
Trust me you are not missing out on anything. There's nothing good on these streets, it just full of traumatized and empty people. Your life is beautiful and planned, thus less traumas.❤❤
I'm a zoomer too, I'm jealous of you. You have a very good chance of meeting your great grand kids, something a lot of people wont get the chance to.
The decline and evaporation of Community in America is irreversible. Get some AI fds!
For a single 22 year old male, i always find you both bring hope to my mind on the front of relationships, thank you both!
Your generation is going to have it rough. I wish you the best. I'm sorry the generation before me (boomer), and the one I'm in (millennial), messed things up so bad for you.
If you believe in God i advise you to find a wife in a church context. But someone with a good personality. Theres disfunctional people in Church too but at least most people arent playing games.
Im a 23 yr old woman, and I find it hard to connect with like minded people my own age on topics like this one here. Its reassuring to know that there are people like you listening and learning along with me!
Theirs no place to connect, no one goes dancing anymore theirs no reason to dress up, theirs no reason to present your self with respect. So we must make our own, im just glad to see us all reassuring each other. May fate smile upon you all and thank you.
@@gracebonez don't apologize..... pr0n saved me multiple times from bad dates that people set me up to. Just lie and say your busy. Then grab some tissues a smartphone and enjoy
I love the Maiden, Mother, Matriarch conceptual framework, it really helps explain things I've been trying to put into words
Yeah me too. I was just having a fun conversation with my wife explaining why escorts,strippers, and porn stars ( in general) were not great choices for marriage and this MMM framework would have been helpful in making my case. Being stuck in the Maiden phase seems to work out badly in the long run.
@@minagica Not all, but many wind up that way who fail to realize that beauty doesn't last forever and the opportunities it brings. Making 1000 a night typically destroys ones ability to delay gratification and any incentive for honest work.
That's a lovely way of putting it. I confess that I am deeply disappointed in conservative commentators' inability to provide women a dignified structure instead of "marry fast before you hit the wall, and in the meantime you're either a failure or a whore" diatribe. It's a mess, and I appreciate Dr. Peterson having someone to fix this.
@@terrathunderstorms3701 Yes, a dignified life path! Accept the phases of your life and stop trying to relive the past.
Women are Chaos unless they are married and have man to control then -JPs view
One of the best lines, “Women were offered a promise that they can live just like a man , you can have sex just like a man, and they are profoundly miserable and they do recognize that deep down that promise is an empty one.”
Great comment! I did not fall for it. No regrets.
I'm 55 years old and have heard that quote in one form or another for decades, but only from pundits and Conservatives, never in real life. All women know they have only so much time to get what they want out of life but I've never met one woman who regretted never marrying or forgoing children. I say this as a Conservative myself.
This implies that sex just like a man isn't empty for men. They are not mentally ill by en large for no reason.
@@TGP109 True. different from the popular conservative narrative that the single or childless woman is miserable. I have yet to meet one who is. Unless if this was not by choice.
Men more often than not say they feel empty after meaningless sex, though.
This is so important for us to hear and understand.
It is. This lowly perception of an act so sacred is truly sad. And to see people waste their sexual potential on things that demand nothing but their downfall is heartbreaking. We must do better. We must make sex sacred again.
@@mitsuha4788 Yes. Protecting our own innocence, caring for ourselves spiritually - the whole person - these are challenges in our sex-crazed world, but I think key to saving the West.
which part?
Do you like to standUNDER people? I actually RAISE my consciousness ABOVE the herds'. It works for me.
The actual conversation was really bad. So many words without saying anything. The basic premise is right but man, they just went on and on, especially Peterson.
Thanks JBP & Louise Perry for the great Episode
What I’m missing in this conversation is amazing moral men that wouldn’t even try to damage a girl but protect her as a jewel while courting her. The conversation turned all on the woman saying no. And how great that is to keep a man in line. Sorry, but any man that tried things with me was a huge turn off and prove to me they weren’t husband material. The thing I loved about my husband is the fact that he protected me as a jewel and we have a great intimate marriage because of our moral standard
I feel the same way. A man who doesn't even try to gave sex is a real king.
@@EveofPyritethe problem is that men want sex. Really bad. Even " good" men want sex. This society doesn't reward that from either men or women.
Your not "damaged" by having sex though.
@@AR-mu4zq It causes a lot of damage, physically as in Std's, Aids, and psychologically to Individuals and to society who pay the economic price.
That's what I was thinking while listening to Jordan Peterson too. I've broken up with people over tests like that because I take it to mean they don't care about my desire to wait until marriage. Though in these cases I've already communicated my intention, and they pushed the boundaries anyway. I certainly wouldn't ever see someone trying to seduce me into sex as a test to see if I have self control to remain loyal in a long term relationship.
Absolutely love Perry. She’s brilliant & she has an air about her that demonstrates self-control & integrity & i found her book compelling. She’s marvelous.
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Louise Perry's focus on the harmful consequences of the sexual revolution and its impact on society was well articulated. It is important to recognize that there are often unintended consequences to even the most well-intentioned social movements, and her analysis brought attention to the need for a more balanced and thoughtful approach to these issues.
I came from a poor family, 5th child and last in line. My advantage was having a mother born in 1924, Rosie the Riverter, depression era woman. After all my siblings moved away, my dad , mom and I moved all over the country. I was an average looking girl. However, my folks raised me up in a solid Christian faith. I took it upon myself to read the bible. My favorite book was PROVERBS. The truths and guidelines held in that book is for everyone. Even if one isn't God believeing. Straight philosophical truths applicable for anyone with a brain. Being a Christian girl, I carried myself with grace because God deemed me valuable and I was grateful. I respected boys/men with a high regard. And, in turn it came back to me 10 fold. By the time I was 18 , I had many marriage offers from high status men. From successful businessmen, pilots in the Air Force, doctors, lawyers all kinds. Fast forward, I have been married to an Industrial Engineer for 20 years. He is an elegant man. We both were NOT causal sex people. All good things come to those who are willing to wait.
“Training themselves to view women as targets of short term gratification… that’s like training in psychopathy.”
Thank you for bringing this conversation to light. As a 31 year old single male, I can mirror the values you both presented and this is the beacon of hope that we need for society. many thanks for introducign the book. I just ordered it right away.
You're literally taking dating advice from one of the most unfuckable men on the planet. His voice alone could dry a woman's vagina in 6 seconds flat. He cries every 5 minutes like a little fking bitch. This is the guy you're going to look up to?
Spoiler alert: you're going to be single for a hell of a longtime pal. Do yourself a favor, the next time you're going to spend money on a Jordan Peterman anything, just take that money and go buy a hooker. It might be your only chance to get laid.
Love this conversation. It can get confusing in daily life with so much noise. My wife and I are about to have our first child, a daughter. All I want is to protect her while being a good male role model. Thank you both for this insight.
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Hey Scott, I became a father not very long ago. My daughter is now 2.
Just keep in mind that no matte how well you protect a child, they eventually find the apple they were told not to eat…
Protection only gets you so far.
Eventually, you’ll have to prepare her.
Best of luck.
I mean it, I wish you and your little family a beautiful life.
I don’t know you, but I’m completely rooting for you.
You are already on the right track Scott, by being a part of your daughter’s life and desiring to raise her with good morals and virtue.
@@daves-c8919 exactly
You have all the instincts of a great husband and father. I had a Greatest Generation father, he was the Rock of Gibraltar for me and my brothers, who all grew up to be honorable men. It doesn't protect your family from difficulties or adolescent stupidities, but in the end, your daughter will honor you, I promise. Be the Rock, it's the greatest thing a man can do for his family.
Absolutely loved this book and this interview. I reccomend it to all my friends and especially young women. Louise said everything that I have been thinking my whole adult life in a lovely, witty way. What a role model ❤
I’ve been addicted to a many things in my life, alcohol, drugs, even women, but porn is the one addiction I still desperately struggle with. Everything they say here rings true for me. I’m old enough to grow up before the internet. I can’t imagine growing up with a smart phone and always having access to hardcore porn from a very young age. It started with magazines for me and that was destructive enough. This needs to addressed openly in our society, and it’s not happening.
My EX husband told me after divorce that he was exposed to intent p0rn by age 10 and in his words addicted by age 13. It messed him up badly.
@@Opal5674 I’m sorry for both of you. Porn is destroying men and women like this. I’m sure any divorce is hell.
I'm also of the generation pre internet. I disapprove of parents who give children unsupervised access. It's like leaving the front door of your house open and letting anyone who wants to come in and interact with your child. You don't know whether those strangers are good people or not. Your child, for whom you are responsible, will bear the brunt.
@@kellysouter4381 it’s like leaving cocaine on the coffee table. Its that addictive. Hijacks the dopamine system just like hard, dopaminergic drugs like cocaine and meth.
@@carlosraymundomartinezesq3396 Nowhere close to hard drugs.
The gift that keeps on giving. Now I know of Louise Perry. Thank you two for these insights.
I'd love to see more of Louise Perry, she is very interesting to listen too. Just wish she got more of a chance to talk here.
check out her Triggernometry and Chris Williamson interviews.
Maiden, mother and matriarch... This is what I have become, but I didn't know how to explain it. I love that I can become either at will. My husband adores me and loves this about me. As we get older, we learn so much !!!!
1:03 A much needed conversation for all ages. At 66 years of age I am going to explore further the attributes of being a matriarch. I want to leave a spiritual and financial legacy for my children and grandchildren. I keep in constant contact with my family and encourage my 14-year-old grandson to be the best he can be by spending time with him, through conversation and answering his questions. Life is very challenging for this age group. Jordan and Louise, thank you.
A matriach?
@@encouraginglegacy whats wrong with matriarch ?
@@sucaadshardi9650 What's wrong with me reassuring? Did I say there's something wrong with it, lad?
Is Jordan Peterson a trans man??
Louise Perry's interviewing skills are commendable. Her respectful and attentive demeanor towards her interviewee, Jordan Peterson, created an ideal atmosphere for him to express his thoughts and ideas freely.
Moreover, her ability to listen carefully without interrupting, allowed Jordan Peterson to delve into his ideas and share his insights. As a result, the interview became an engaging and thought-provoking conversation between the two.
It is always refreshing to see interviewers who take their job seriously and put in the effort to create an environment that fosters open dialogue. Louise Perry's interview style is a testament to the importance of respectful and thoughtful communication in any context.
She is such a intelligent, pretty woman. Sets a good example to young women...get married and be classy.
P.S. When I was a tiny weeny baby my mother taught me my First word : "No!" and she told me that this word would stand me in good stead throughout my life.
My mother was Right.
So many women can't use this potent word and they miss out on so much Respect.
And I'm not only talking about sexuality.
I really love Dr Peterson and it’s clear he has so much knowledge but I wish he would let his guests speak. I’m interested in hearing what they have to say and it’s rare that they can get a sentence out without being interrupted and then several minutes of Dr Peterson’s perspective (which is amazing and valid but I’m left feeling like I have no idea what the guests think) Having said all that always edifying and I always leave feeling like I’ve learned so much
Louise is brilliant. Can't believe I hadn't heard of her before Chris Williamson's podcast. Really refreshing to hear a woman's logical perspective. Her book sounds like a must buy!
Yeah maybe if JP would let her speak we could tell that.
@@chrisbarrett2117😂 you're exaggerating, you can check all the conversation on his platform though
I love that it's pointed out we no longer attach status to mothers and matriarchs, as we once did. I'm grateful both my parents have instilled in me the instinctive value that knowledge, wisdom and discretion are traits most elders have, and to be respectful, regardless of them reflecting such. Thankful for the examples in my life.
Women are anesthesiologists, orthopedic surgeons, corporate attorneys etc. - that’s our status 🎉
I don’t really think this is true. I’m pregnant for the first time now and I have never in my life been lauded and praised so much for anything as I am for this - for a natural bodily process. Society definitely still values motherhood intensely. No matter what else a woman does in her life, this is what she’ll be most admired for.
@@KLKosi123 And rightly so, imo. But being pregnant and bringing a baby into the world isn’t the real thing to respect. The real respect should be given for being able to bring that child up to be an asset to society. Hard work that too many parents just don’t live up to which mostly creates a viscous cycle of more people who don’t know how to or aren’t prepared to parent properly. I wish you joy with your little one and much strength and wisdom to bring him or her up well.
@@freebird7017 I cannot bear children and respect the ability to give birth immensely, but bringing a child up well and making them a productive member of society who brings value is truly an accomplishment. As the saying that goes that I love so much, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world"... God bless.
@@KLKosi123 Glad to see you've been uplifted by compliments of people noticing your pregnancy. I think in general, the leaders in our country are against motherhood as a whole but thank God that the people you've surrounded yourself with are so supportive of you. That's fantastic! And congrats! God bless you and your growing family 😃
Thank you for addressing this,gigantuous problem. I was exposed to sexuality from TV , my mom watching soap operas in front of me at 3 or 4 years old, then my father watching R rated shows on HBO, and telling my siblings and I to turn our heads when a nude sex scene came on(after the fact of seeing it). I went on thinking when I was molested, very young, that was normal. It destroyed me for the rest of my life. Brain studies show irreversible brain changes and thinning in certain areas, when a child is exposed to sexuality. I so hope that porn is against the law one day, because there is no way to control it, and it has created a culture of people acting like animals with no self control. Plus it should not be legal to exploit women and children for money.
These women exploit themselves. They’re not victims, they are the perpetrators of pornography too.
@@marteumar8429 rarely. What little girl grows up thinking she wants to be a playboy porn girl??? Only one that’s been screwed up by an abusive adult.
I am against porn. But throughout most of human history children shared the room/ cave where their parents and other adults had sex. The idea of protecting children from this, especially in the working class, just didn't exist until about 150 years ago.
Outlaw it, all of it.
@@grannyannie2948 I know this is correct historically, but the difference is in most of those circumstances children were exposed to parents who were mated for life, for better or worse. This is quite different than the escapism and sexualization that today’s graphic displays bombard us all with from early childhood…. Think Erica Jong’s “Zipless F….”., a sexual encounter for its own sake, without emotional involvement or commitment or any ulterior motive often between previously unacquainted people.
There were several times, while I was watching this that I felt like shouting hallelujah! I’ve watched all of Jordan Peterson‘s videos, and this is one of the absolute best. The conversation is so important in our culture right now. This author shared so many excellent points, which were then validated and broaden by George’s input. I can’t explain, but this was just such a great conversation; and one of the very best I’ve ever heard on this subject. Thank you to both participants. If you’re a viewer, share this video with anyone you think should see it. It’s an excellent education.
It’s such a relief to see a video like this. Felt really accurate
"Felt really accurate" is NOT a complete sentence.
@@mr.blackhawk142 that’s true 🤷♀️
"Gynecological" is maybe the funniest and most dry adjective to describe modern porn 😂
I wouldn't say dry, but slightly moist.
@@NickNicometi your faculty for making a statement drastically worse is impressive. please stop.
@@evieblue959 You should be so lucky to see the capacity of my faculty!
Cleary, your sense of humor is quite arid, as I'm sure are all your parts.
Agreed! Ha!!!
@@NickNicometi oh my goshhhh 😭😂🤣
I was a 'consenting' child of 60s, got sober in 80s. Sex revolution has cost me dear in long-term soul sickness. I am aware, now, that I was traumatized by my own complicity. Marilyn, Raquel, Jane were my role models .. I learned how to dress and 'act' , disco taught me how to move ...
At 68, I never ever known intimacy, since my grandmother's arms. She told me it would be a slippery slope.
Have you healed your soul? There is still some time left...
I so understand
Poetic
Praying for you, may Jesus embrace you and the love of God shine upon your soul.
The discussion at around 21min regarding the 'maiden, mother, matriarch' life-progression is incredibly insightful on the part of Louise Perry. A brilliant woman - I look forward to hearing more from her in future.
Gosh, this interview is a dream come true. I've been reading Louise's book in small amounts to truly understand it. It has a healing effect on me. Thank you!
Please, Dr. Peterson, let this intelligent and well spoken woman get a word in 😐
Great topic, but hoped to hear more from your guest. You have great thoughts, Dr. Peterson, but try to remember your own rule.. i forget exactly how it goes but something along the lines of listening being a great tool - the other person might be able to share something you don't know. If you want to share thoughts for 4 or 5 minutes, you are no longer a host, you're sharing a monologue... perhaps you could instead share one or two sentences of your thought in the interview and then offer a "commentary clip" of your thoughts on the topic after the interview is complete? I had to skip through many minutes many times so I could get to where your guest was able to speak so I could hear what she had to say... something needs to shift.
Edit: sorry, meant to post this in the main comment section 😅
Imagine being his wife...
Yes, I've noticed this has become a habit. Hopefully, he sees this and curbs the habit.
Yes I cringed at the last interruption. 🫣 He seemed genuinely excited to talk about this topic, but I was hoping to hear more from Louise.
Yes, my sentiments exactly. He is in love with the sound of his own voice, I think. He does that to all of his interlocutors.
Every woman today needs to listen to her and read her book. She is saying what we have struggled to articulate.
True. It took me awhile to figure out why I was so angry as a teenager. It has a lot to do with these issues, but at that time I couldn't articulate.
I’m a male in my mid to late 50s now, very happily married for 22 years. But even when I was single guy I always made a point of never sleeping with any of my girlfriends until three months had passed. Just my personal ways, but it worked for me. Just ordered Louise’s book and looking forward to reading it. My thanks to you JP
Is the 10th date an okay threshold?
In the Dominican Republic after passing the job interview you enter the company in a three months trial or probation. When you have a baby, you go to work after only three months which is abusive to both the woman and the baby. But if you were going to sleep with a person in a bed, that is one thing (I like the idea of sleeping with a loved one), but sex is another very dirty that was meant for conception otherwise.
No woman will wait three months today. They will call you an incel, and move on.
That’s exceedingly rare for a male to do- but it’s a great strategy.
Well-- it was. Nowadays women would consider you inept or ‘asexual’. Or, “boring”
Good God Jordan let the woman speak...😂 this is exactly why I loved his interview with Temple Grandin who basically ran him over like he does all of his other guests.😂 I've watched maybe half a dozen interviews with Louise and she is an incredibly polite and patient listener. Exactly the worst kind of personality for Jordan who needs somebody to basically cut him off otherwise he will run on and on and on.
He get excited 🤷🏽♂️😅
"Temple Grandin who basically ran him over like he does all of his other guests." lmao that is so true
I only watched because of Louise, this is by far the worst interview I've heard with her.
@@grannyannie2948 I agree...His wife Tammy had a great interview with her... he missed an opportunity to refine his theories with her insight... instead he just regurgitated his same talking points that most of us have heard him expound on many times in the past... I was excited to click on the video but felt disappointed as well.
I'm afraid I agree with you.
Christianity taught me at 11 years old everything you both have masterfully exposed here. Let us all do the young women in our life a favor and share this video with them.
I agree with you 100%
Yes, by all means, let's bring back the sexual neurosis of religion, that REALLY made people happier.
I agree with you, after living through the chaos of the last 55 years. This issue of sexuality is, as you correctly point out, a spiritual matter as well as a material matter. It is not only a practical problem of birth control or not, it is a question of restraint and respect. Treating the body as a temple and practicing chastity has meaning only in the religious context.
@@ulfingvar1... ok then. What was you take on this interview?
I don’t recall reading in the Bible where it says God wants you to be happy. It does say He wants to save your soul. Our society has been destroyed because of how sexualized it has become. Religion does not say you can’t have sex. It says have sex under the covenant of marriage and only with your wife or husband. If people would follow the Bible, you will see a dramatic decrease in STDs rates, there will be a dramatic decrease in unwanted pregnancies, a decrease in the crime rate related to domestic violence, etc. People would be very much happier following God’s commandments.
Professor Peterson is the father I never had. It's soothing to listen to him. LP would be the great friend who has your best interests at heart.
The most engrossing, well articulated discussion I've had the privelege of hearing for a considerable time.
Thank you.
Went from paying for the Tinder premium to see that 8,000 men swiped right on my profile (I was a cosplay model) and I treated these men like they weren’t human beings and based my decision on “who was the hottest and interested me the most sexually”. Was seeing multiple men who fell in love with me. I met a guy because he “fit my criteria” and happened the live near the restaurant I wanted to go to. We decided to become exclusive. We went from wanting to have sex with multiple partners and never getting married to changing our values fully over the next years. We are married Christians who are parents with another baby on the way with conservatives views. The secular mind-virus had us absolutely miserable. We went from having serious mental health issues to feeling completely fulfilled and happy in life. All because we stopped focusing on ourselves, turned our eyes towards living with traditional values, and following the word and values of God.
Love this 😊
You'll be back. You might have switched your cookie from brown to lemon, but your middle filling is still the same.
@@Matt-fs1yy That says more about you than it does about her.
A beautiful, solid bond in marriage is so comforting. So much better than being single and playing around. It's family.
@@christianwoudenberg3393 he is Matt
Her work is so important, she is brilliant, and Jordan is brilliant, I wanted to hear more of her, please have her on again
I'm at the matriarchal stage of my life. I'm loving it. The wisdom accumulated thus far has me content.
I found this discussion highly interesting.
In a modern world, going back to basic fundamentals regarding intimate relationships will always stand the test of time. Saying no, is not always negative.
I’m actually excited for my matriarch stage if God wills for me to live that long. Currently in the mother stage and loving my matriarch family members super hard for all the wonderful support they give me. You are sooo inspirational, beautiful and valuable to us and we love you so much. It’s amazing to speak to you all as you just always know what to say and how to say it ❤️
I agree, yet the boomers, are still striving for the open sexuality of the 1960s,
and 1970s.
A few years ago the senior communities had a very high percentage of sexual illnesses.
Pharma. has played a role along with porn.
YOU'RE THE ENEMY
@@modestmouse2889 why, because I'm comfortable in my own skin and don't need validation, and believe in the fundamentals of a family unit ? Go pick a fight somewhere else darling! You sound aggressive! 🤣
Sadly there's no hope for my generation and under in this regard. (Millenials and under) I'm in my 30s and essentially the prevailing belief is that all that matters is looks and sexual experience. I've never agreed with this view in my generation but sadly that's what it is. I think we're hopelessly lost at this point.
Wonderful discussion!
I’ve been married 45 years. Had 3 children, grandchildren, and full career with a Master’s Degree. I fully concur with you BOTH. God bless!
Why did you have to post your credentials?
I saw Louise get interviewed by Mikayla Peterson and Louise was so compelling that I bought her book right after the interview concluded. It took me three days to finish reading The Case Against the Sexual Revolution, but if I weren't a mother of two kids under three I probably would have eaten it up in a day.
While I do think Jordan took up the time-consuming task of trying to demonstrate there was some academic backing to Louise's claims, I really wish Louise could have been allowed to talk; this felt like she was being lectured to instead of conversed with. It was especially off-putting at the beginning, where I originally thought that maybe the DW crew were having trouble setting up a connection with Louise, and Jordan was instructed to "fill time by talking to himself" until they had the tech sorted.
I wondered the exact same thing. There may have been a tech disconnect (or appeared heavily edited) because it was so awkwardly disconnected. It didn't seem like Jordan and Louise were engaged with one another, like Jordan was overwhelmed, unprepared or very tired -- and she was doing her best to just be a presence there. I'm sure he is doing his best to juggle his very busy (if not overloaded) schedule but it's a shame because it's one of-- if not THE -- most important topics we need to discuss today. I am hoping they can schedule a redo or Part Two to let Louise flesh out her ideas and thoughts in-depth. As a 54 year-old woman who raised a large family and is now in the post-menopausal/grandmother stage, I would love to hear more about the value and necessity of we "older" women taking a stronger role in society (and as Jordan pointed out, on social media).
Yes,I feel he needs to be a MUCH more generous listener, it feels like she gets only a quarter at best of the space to talk even though I'm listening to this primarily to hear what she has to share...so it was frustrating how much JP talks, I think he really enjoys his own intelligence and his podcast would e waaaaaay better if he gave his guests more than half the space to talk... a enter balance for an inter iew would be he talks a quarter and they get to talk three quarters not the reverse.
Otherwise they aren't true guests just witnesses to him talking who get to say a few things ...
To defend Mrs Perry behaviour there's the interview on the FDP episode where the conversation got wild and Louise simply side stepped the conversations and points at times to me, because she understood that's some nuances weren't about the discussion but spurred something else between the girls at times that was part of their lives and she remained polite to not interfer with their interpretations of the structure of advantage in ideas rather than interject and establish a common ground with the respect and authority they gave her in the interview. Subtle qualities like that is what makes conduct poetic but people would probably construe social awareness as a framing of allowance being introduced rather than self control of personal autonomy. Yoh really believe Mrs Perry isn't challenging JP because it's a DW production? I think Louise let JP talk because it seemed he wanted to get these ideas off his chest with someone representing feminism that's rationale, very deep and insightful with social biological prompts between the sexes. He hasn't had a discussion with anyone that's a feminist who hasn't retaliated with push back to my knowledge that tries to control his line of conversation and misconstrue his meanings. I think Mrs Perry is a great listener and sacrificed her time to let his ideas vent and breathe because she read frustration and earnest eagerness to elaborate. I think most people were expecting this to be a "the thrilla in manila" including me, type conversation and the just agreed on everything because logic has a funny way of speaking for itself irregardless of orator because it's based on the contents of conversation and not the suggested status of individuals being framed that allow for advantage to speak or not speak. Not everything is framed in power.
You're right, he did speak a whole lot. I agree, he could have let her speak more.
I think I understand this - I do see Peterson do this quite a bit when he speaks to people with some opposing views. To me, it almost seems as though he feels it necessary to put forward as many of his deeper ideas on the topic as he can in the time he has with them - to hear the ideas challenged, to engage them, to hear their opinion on those ideas, to hear the opposite argument. He was not filling time talking to himself!! Haha
(Maybe I'm projecting, I tend to throw up a lot of my ideas when I meet someone with opposing views.
Kind of like, Here's this idea: What do you think? Do you think that's just crazy or have you thought about it on that level too? Can we agree on some part of it? No? Why? Yes? Why?
OK, here's that - I really think this - what do you think?
Most times, they say nothing in response... and that makes it seem like a soliloquy LOL
And on and on...just humans and thinkers trying to think together, failing sometimes)
It was a great interview
Clicked on this so fast when I saw the title!! I just recently finished her book, and it opened my eyes to so many things that I think I already knew but just didn't ever have the words for.
Many people now do not know right from wrong, and many do not care either. It's VERY disturbing to me.
Holy shit I read the comment, then looked at your name. Idk if you already knew lol
One of the most important and valuable interviews yet. Sex, male/female relationships and our ideas around it are the driving factor for the way our world develops and changes. It is so important that we get this right. Great interview. Everyone should watch this.
I am so grateful for religion that has taught me that sexual relations are sacred & meant to be only between husband & wife. Trying to live as God teaches, I have not had to stress about the consequences spoken about in this interview (except that my dating pool is small as I look for men with similar values). My peace of mind or physical health have not been robbed by the moment’s pleasure or by being pressured by some man. I don’t even have to worry about the side effects of the pill & how it messes with the body. The blessings of following the law of chastity are greater than this discussion has touched on. For anyone reading, it’s not too late to change & choose to wait for the full commitment of marriage. It can seem hard in todays culture & since we naturally have impulses to procreate, but it is very doable & worth it. We have power of choice & we have more power than our impulses & feelings do. Helpful tips are: to not give into the excuse/lie that everyone does it (even if it were true, who cares), understand the why behind chastity, choose not to be entertained by movies & such with sexual acts (sacred acts being cheapened/trampled), keep your mind & language clean/disciplined (actions come from thoughts & feelings), & making sure to date respectful men (/women) (learning how to recognize them, & not worry about rejecting them if you find out they’re not respectul after all. I’ve gotten to the point where I can see & sense the light of virtue or lack of light they have. I can smell porn use & I personally stay away). Most of all I’ve relied on God’s strength & He gives me confidence, peace & self respect-men or physical pleasure have no power to give me that. I’m a virgin in my 40s who has dated a lot, & I have no regrets in this area, & want to encourage everyone that it’s very doable. I’ve known many others who live this way too. Whatever your past is (i.e. you don’t have to be a virgin), let’s change the culture, even for the non religious.
Hope you soon find a good man who is a believer that deserves you. Unbelievable.
I've been waiting for an episode from Jordan on this exact topic! Already know this will be an amazing interview. Thank you, Dr Peterson, for having discussions like this!
I was able to see Dr Peterson when he and Tammy were in Seattle,WA. Highly recommend to go if he's in your area. I've been watching him for several years. Excited that he's become a Christian and has brought so much of his thoughts and insites to the Bible. I have listened to hundreds hours of his lectures and interviews and have been enriched by them. Turned many others on to him also. He is a blessing. Thank you
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Can't thank JBP enough for all these discussions... we are lacking these topics in the mainstream media soooo much...
As always Dr. Peterson shows just how smart and well versed he is on this and so many things. I would have liked to hear her speak more but grateful for the content.
Her book has been so eye-opening! Can't wait for the Spanish translation so that I can share it with friends.
Is this a commentary on the cover with a box of tissues which is a symbol used for cleaning-up after you make a mess of yourself? "Masturbation will make you go blind", so the old warning went, and the book is eye opening.
@@gregorywitcher5618ha! That’s quite an imaginative but interesting link…
@@gregorywitcher5618 I thought the same, but was focus on porn. Yet, I also understand the tissues as symbol for the tears the revolution has been causing.
Both make sense and go hand in hand.
I would have loved to hear more on her book and her thoughts, Jordan!
Yea he spoke like 80% of the time
@Konstantin tbh not interested enough in this book. I think young people should read it though, it seems that they do have some problems in that whole sexuality area.
Me too but if you haven't, you can check her interview with Chris Williamson, she talks a lot more in that one :)
Agreed
Agreed! Except her audio was so much poorer than his that I could only get her content through Jordan's context.
I would have liked to have heard more from Louise.
Yes.I listened to this last night via podcast on Spotify and got increasingly frustrated by Dr Peterson's pontificating. We all know he is the smartest person in the room and his mind can go off relating and correlating things in an amazing fashion. But she was his guest with interesting things to say as well, he should have let her give her views more often
You and thousands of others, to judge by the UA-cam comments section. I hope at least some of this gets back to Jordan.
Agreed. Jordan rambles on and loves the sound of his own voice.
She propably cooked familydinner, while he went or she dropped off
Thanks!
Jordan needs to let others speak more, he dominates the conversation.
Yeah... I understand he has a lot to say, but so does she. He blatantly cut her off multiple times, it was frustrating to see, especially considering how brilliant she is.
I wanted to hear from Louise more. I felt like she could barely get anything into the conversation. It was so noticeable for me.
Yes, he gets so excited by ideas. I like that about him, but it caused him to be rude at times in this interview.
Marilyn Monroe and Madonna are CELEBRITIES. We are normal, non-coached women, a waste of time. No comparison between them and typical women of world cultures! Stop! This is completely unnecessary, and out of line! Please be useful for non coached players: it is not real. Use people as us, hit the spectrum of who we are not the billion dollar babes who have it as a career! I am disappointed in both of you! Education just flopped into a crap load of nonsense. Study, come back and give academics an answer. Shame on both of you… what about the rest of us? Men and women!!!
I love it when I hear "Hello Everyone..." to start my day.
I wish Jordon would let his guests explain their views more. He takes over the conversation instead of exploring the guest perspective . Almost like he is interviewing himself and the guest is just left sitting there getting lectured .
Yes! Exactly.
The power of this book/interview is its treatment of ALL the human desires and relationships destroyed by the Sexual Revolution. At age 70+ I have witnessed all the destructive impact on men/women relationships...including a rejection of marriage, formation of families and welcoming children. My children were teens when we invented the mantra "Safe Sex" promising they would avoid HIV (new to our world) and avoid "unplanned pregnancy." This drew me into a lifelong involvement with groups speaking to the benefit of healthy men/women marriages that welcome life. I feel deep pain for the world we have created for young people. It is painful for me to watch and talk about.
You give strength to people who need it most, while at the same time trying your best to bring awareness to the delusional people who use their persuasive power to knowingly damage individuals.
You are a national 🇨🇦 treasure
I am so glad these conversations are taking place! I’ve always felt like an outcast thinking these things.
Truth. Especially for older millennials and young gen xers. This stuff was off the table in year 2005!!!!
I think many of us secretly felt this but got shouted down if we tried to articulate it.
Well, you are an outcast.
Grateful for conversations like these becoming mainstream so we can start to acknowledge the lies we’ve been feeding to young women. I only wish Jordan had shown more restraint and let Louise speak more, so much of what she has to say is genuinely fascinating.
As a young women who grew up believing all the lies that society told me I am so proud that I can see it all now for what i really is. This is definitely one of my favorite episodes and was well articulated!!!
I wish someone had sat me down and given me this talk when I was a young woman coming of age in the 1980s.
This is such an important topic that I want all of my friends to listen to. 80% of the people in my friend circle has engaged in causual or pre-marital sex and they think that sexual intercourse is like any other physical exercise. My conservative values are even frowned upon. The sexual revolution in the west have done a great disservice to today's youths, some irreparable damage has been done physically, mentally and spiritually.
The damage is on-going.
Like children leading children to slaughter...
Catholics.
maybe yours are distorted. There is no “universal” standard or metric by which sexuality should be seen other than culture. There is NO universal arbiter of “morality” and sexuality has nothing to do with morality no matter how much mental gymnastics the religious zealots do to argue otherwise. You lost me at magical sky daddy
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I agree. I also have friends and family who view sex this way. No rules. Just do what you feel but be ready to face the consequences.
Louise Perry is the kind of woman I would have raise my children! They need a woman like this in their lives!
O M G .... You just changed my life. The power and the status of no. Breathtakingly perceptive. Life changingly correct. THANK YOU! A fantastic interview. I revelled in every word from both of you.
Louise Perry is wonderful to listen to. I look forward to reading her book.
Thank-you for this interview!
I’m currently drafting a fiction novel in the cyberpunk genre. It will be especially emphasizing the dangerous nature sexual promiscuity and other modern cultural topics like.
Excellent work JP as always!!
I hope your novel is successful! That'd be a great take on the cyberpunk genre!
Oh? Still a project you have going on? When do you think it'll be completed?
@RaffieFaffie yep, still going. In fact I’m just about to write right now. It’s a lot more difficult than I thought though (first book). I’m meeting with a fiction author soon to discuss the publishing world and general writing tips.
For completion, it will be quite a while. I’m no Dostoyevsky in quality and no Stephen King in speed. I’ve all the story plotted and am in the first draft.
@@chillmanchan3829 Do you have shitscord? I'm interested in reading your book if you ever do complete it and I wanna be told if it's done
Thank you for the camera and tech people behind the scenes, for making possible this great show!
I admire you Jordan and have listened to you regularly for years. However I think you should have let Louise talk more here... she barely got a word in! I still enjoyed this episode though, so thank you so much ❤
I hadn't been aware of Louise Perry. Impressed. I'm looking forward of hearing more from her in the future. Thanks Jordan Peterson for this video.
Look her up. There are far better interviews with her on youtube than this one. She's done a ton of them in the last few months. She is quite impressive.
DrP you’ve changed my life too (relationally and motivationally mostly). Thank you for embodying truth and speaking good into the world.
He speaks nonsense wrapped in a bunch of words.
1:57 "I am happy today to be able to to talk *to* Louise Perry"... Well at least you know. I listened to what she has to say on other channels. She is a breath of fresh air!
Thank you! So many times I have had a loss in how to express or explain my thoughts and it’s wonderful to have someone who is interested and so insightful to share their thoughts. I am so thankful for you both!