Ali g summoned it up when he asked a loyalist if he was Irish and the loyalist laughed in disgust and says " no, im British " Ali g says " is you on holidays?"
Aye, they can go off back to England if they love it so much. Republicans are the only reason the troubles came to an end, you didn't see any lads coming out of uvf to make peace and join politics like McGuiness did with the IRA.
Typical loyalist. Uncompromising, only likes the sound of his own voice. Forgets the reality that the genuine native population of this island have a right to express their identity and culture.
davyjose1978. won't be long till they die out mate. as they are all getting older. and the nationalist community have a far younger amount of ppl. and the nationalists are having more children. so we'll breed them out. Lol. can't wait till the Irish tricolour is flying high over Belfast city hall. its then our country north and south. will be free from Britain. free Scotland. free Ireland. free Palestinian.
In fairness, why would a man who bore arms in the bloodiest episode of Ireland’s modern history be intimidated by some unemployed scrote from east Belfast?
That must be the same thinking of nationalists around parading season they are never as offended by a flag or parade until around the 12th of July funny that 🤥
@@vlogger88 Well you would be considering it’s set up to be an anti Catholic and divisive celebration. And don’t try to say it’s about “culture” There’s nothing divisive about taking a flag down and only having it on specific days. Considering the rest of the UK does this. And that NI isn’t a unionist ethnostate anymore
But its easier to take a convicted terrorist in the form of jerry kelly serious there folks is the problem straight away 🤷🏼♂️ our country shouldn't be run by terrorists nor should any on BOTH sides be in Parliament full stop it wouldn't happen in any other park of the UK or world for that matter
Its the culture of the british govt toward the Irish .. and they have been able to get on with it for Hundreds years. And the british govt has a media blackout, and the outlets arnt allowed to repirtcon it. If you would like to know what is going on today, go to FACEBOOK, and look for, Northern Irish is not a proper Nationality. Thats just one of many pages.
As a young Unionist from NI in my early 20's I have no problem with Nationalist politicians, and I have many friends from a RC background. However Sinn Fein (shown in this clip) are the political wing of the IRA. Gerry Kelly who got shouted down bombed London and killed 1 person and was jailed, he then broke out of prison and shot a prison officer in the head during his escape. He was later re-arrested in Holland with bombs and chemicals to be used as weapons. Any wonder people aren't prepared to accept anything that killer says? How would you feel if it was your family, friends or community who had been bombed and murdered in the hundreds to sit and listen to someone like him lecture anyone.
***** although i still couldnt give them my vote to gerrys party they are the 2nd biggest party in northern ireland so some one agrees with them.it was the unionist parties who put them into government afterall when they told us all to vote in favour of the good friday agreement.i think its crazy we cant unite against the real people who are looting our country and sinking generations of your family into debt,but for some reason unionists people wish will fight to be governened by eton school boys and a royal family who are pampered just because their family were cunts and raped and pilaged to a mass huge land ownerships and great armies of weak minded minions willing to serve their cause
Gerry Kelly is very open about his past, the recognition that there was a conflict, a dirty war would be a great start from Loyalists and some Unionists, the State colluded with Loyalists the RUC colluded with paramilitaries, jesus everybody was fucking killing everybody! Lol And yes you are totally right not to accept the word of a "killer" as you say, but at the time Sinn Fein had the support, still do, and always will, but the people are all wrong you,ll cry no doubt. But it,s all democratic now, fighting against a gerrymandered bastard state is no crime in my eyes if state forces were willing to kill innocents, infact it was the reality of things that people blinkeredly miss, or tend to only say it from their own perspective. Kelly has stood and spoke out against dissidents a target to be killed also, what have any Unionist MPs done in a total reversal for the peace process? Not alot. Ireland and the UK are changing faster than you could imagine. David Cameron hasn,t touched it with a shitty stick in the past 4 yrs!! Lol
***** I know exactly how you feel, we are being ran by criminal crime syndicates, but you have to face up to it, the queen is simply the boss and she has an even higher boss sitting in rome, the black pope! most of the top IRA though were british agents so it seems as if most of the bombings where at least allowed to go ahead and as more information surfaces i have found out that the UDR were basically a legalised paramilitary force in some areas! Read RUC sergeant John Weirs sworn affidavit you will be amazed and thats only part of it! I make no excuse for republican terrorists but it seemed to me they had a more legitimate target in that of the security forces albeit its still sick! On the other hand you have a government who not only facilitated and supported terrorism, their very institutions sworn to protect its so called people where involved on a large scale on the targeting and slaughter of totally innocent people simply for being Irish and having a high standing in the community was an even better target! we had the UDR and RUC changing to UVF at night and then coming back to your house after they had killed everyone with bombs and gun attacks as the UDR AND RUC to run the investigation into how they murdered you! Check out the GLENANNE GANG on the mostly edited wiki page they have! wiki only gives a portion of the truth and masquerades as the bringer of all truth
It's funny when you go around the world and say your from Britain and they groan. But when you say your from Ireland you get cheers and free drinks 😂😂😂
Regarding the 20yr old Loyalist. Look how he enjoys the applause and also see how he asks a question but will not tolerate ANY answer and talks over it.. Talk to the guy one to one. The guy is emboldened by the clapping seals in the audience and that sort of (pissing contest) mentality will make an army of people who talk about violence into people who actually commit violence.
The basis upon which a constructive argument can be formed has seemingly passed the Loyalist community by. Any time a Nationalist view is aired, it's greeted with interruption. This can only be down to a basic lack of verbality and poor sociology within their community. The repetition of 'never', a throw-back to a time when unionist hegemony could be rubber-stamped with one simple word - enough to bat the Nationalists down. Not any more. They say the empty can rattles the most.
That's true. a Malvinas islander can fly from Buenes Aires to Heathrow and spend the Bank of England notes in his/her pocket but a 6 counties "UK juristiction" citizen will have to go to a bureau de change to change any of the various NI banknotes he/she uses for day to day transactions.
The saddest thing about the Loyalists position it that the mainland don't care about their misplaced Loyalty, and that was shown in the berxit debate and vote. The last thing on the minds of voters here in England was the Loyalists, and that is the crucial thing that loyalists don't want to confront and more importantly, come to terms with.
in this guys defense he did give an extremely articulated version of his britishness,it really was an in depth view into the mind of a flegger.yeeoooww!
The saddest thing about this whole debate, if we can call it that, is that people are measured by their character, their word, their empathy etc but never identified by their flag. There are many countries around the world where the Union Jack is hated and seen as a monstrous symbol of empire, death and destruction, massacres and so to identify with a flag is utter nonsense. The young guys comments were probably the funniest and yet ironic all the same. When we had the politician explaining he was Irish and the youngster said he was British I wondered why it happened that he missed the fact that he lived in Northern IRELAND! Maybe they should canvass for a referendum to change the name to West Britain.
@@Johnnie808 see and i get why your community flipped sides i understand it you all may not admit it but it is fear, not economics fear is the main thing
How dare you put it up its not the flag of Belfast you want to be British get out of Ireland and go to Britain this is Ireland were the Irish tricolor should fly 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪✊
I fail to see what 'analytical view' this guy gave., He just reiterated the usual 'it's our fleg' nonsense. I understand you are trying to not antagonise loyalists, but trying to paint this guy as being articulate and reasonable, when he is clearly not, is just being PC for the sake of being PC in my view. I mean at one point when Gerry was trying to speak, he was haranging him, saying he wouldn't be happy until the tricolour was put up instead, when no one was suggesting the tricolour being put up on official buildings at all. His comment that "I will never put pyself in nationalist/republican shoes! Never" shows us just how 'analytical' his views really are.
He's not the worst. If he was left alone to talk to Kelly he would probably do it by the sounds of him but he was playing to the gallery. It's not his fault if he doesn't know any better either. Loyalists bring up their kids to believe that the state will look after them in terms of jobs etc, so they don't need to be well educated and are loyal to the flag. Harland & Wolff was in debt for decades but was kept afloat by Stormont because it provided jobs and reaped loyalty.
The young lad comes over as a bitter little bigot...does nothing for the Loyalist cause...Ask yourself the question..."What would a neutral think of the above"...
The half of ye didint even realise at fleg was up there till it was took down prods are gonna have to get use to the fact were are not second class citizens anymore and use arnt gonna get your own way anymore shit one :-)
Didn't take long...I will "never" put myself in nationslists's shoes.....you could almost hear Paisley "Never, never, never". "A protestant state for a protestant people, a protestant parliament for a protestant people"....I don't think so. Catholics/Nationalists are quite prepared to share power and all that NI has to offer and throughout their history, Loyalists/Protestants have never wanted to do so....quite simple because their ancestors took the land off the indigenous people...and they could never share it because they felt it was being taken back. That and that alone is what is deeply in the loyalist/protestant pysche.
Nolan: Whats important to you and your identity? Knuckledragger: Its British. Dear Knuckledragger, before you extoll us all with all "British" you are, may I suggest you consult a map and check what island you're from? I think you'll find it's not actually Britain.
Niall487 Nope, it refers to people from The United Kingdom, and the United Kingdom's overseas territories. In case you weren't aware, Northern ireland is part of the United Kingdom, an alternative name to the UK can be 'Great Britain' or just 'Britain', unless you're soley talking about the geographical island, Great Britain. By your logic people from Hawaii are not American at all, which of course is not true.
Thomas Ellis Nope, Britain refers to the island of Great Britain, people from the island of Great Britain can be British as well as identifying as the country they are from. People from northern ireland are UK citizens and Northern Irish. The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, its idiotic to say someone from NI is british as it is clearly differentiated. So no UK is not the same as GB, if they were why would we have two different names
Niall487 Yes it is. The Prime minister refers to the 'UK' as Great Britain and in sporting events the *British* team (which contains Northern Ireland) is called team GB (team Great Britain), and in EU talks and negotiations the 'UK' is called Great Britain. The term UK is only favoured now probably due to political correctness and confusion over the island and country. You know that during world war 2 the 'UK' was always called Great Britain right? Well even since then no document or bill has been passed to change the name of the country, so you may call the UK, Great Britain, as most do. But it is official that people from Northern Ireland have British citezenship, like the rest of the 'UK'. So people from the 'UK' (Great Britain, same thing) are called British, like it or not. Even if they are on the island of Ireland, they are British (there is no such thing as UKish).
What could have been an intellectual, emotional response painting the twenty year old loyalism on camera, this is merely a series of grunt noises which end with "NEVER". Not something which anyone will ever be proud of.
The difference between Ireland and the Koreans is that, despite all years of separation all Koreans view themselves and one another as Koreans. The same was true of Germany. Both the E Germans and the W Germans all considered themselves German. This is not the case in Ireland. The Southern Irish consider themselves to be Irish whilst the Northern Irish consider themselves to be Northern Irish. It's different. We no longer share a common identity upon which a nationality could organically grow.
From a guy from Newcastle, England. If someone from Northern Ireland came to the uk, we would refer to them as Irish or northern Irish not British. We don’t refer to welsh and Scottish people as British.
Mr Irish they’re from the island of Ireland. They’re only British but uk law. A lot of in England are not bother if Northern Ireland leave the UK. We say it’s not our decision to make it’s the people of Northern Ireland decision to make.
@@tph3475 exactly and yet still no matter what the reality of their situation is they still stir trouble over wanting to be British. Sure no one in England wants them.
Mr Irish when we see the rioting in the media in Northern Ireland Sometimes during that orange parade. It’s embarrassing to identify that as a Englishman. As a proud English/Brit from Irish and Welsh decent. They’re parts of British history I am embarrassed about
Honesty is key here. The young man in the audience has the honesty to admit that he does not wish to put himself in nationalist shoes. Gerry Kelly *claims* to do so but does not. If Gerry Kelly were to really put himself in unionist shoes, or even in the shoes of his victims' families, he would resign out of common decency.
p.s. I know my own history, I grew up in the troubles and I remember that Cathokics were treated like second class citizens for years. The only thing Loyalism is angry about is the fact that they aren't running the show anymore and they can't handle not being able to dominate anymore.
***** English oppression played a significant role in the high emigration levels of Irish people, and living harmlessly amongst a people is not the same as conquering and ruling them.
Fenian OIRA Well that's bullshit! Emigration from Ireland was never higher than during the 1940s, 50s, 60s & 70s, with Irish people desperate to escape the oppressive, Ultra-conservative Church State, that de Valera created, with a basket-case economy......! How the fuck was that 'England's fault', decades after Independence??? P.S. England hasn't even existed as a Nation since 1707, btw!
I didn't say it was England's fault, just that they had a significant part to play. Pre-independence emigration was still ridiculously high due to the poverty inflicted by the overlords. I don't see what the problem is with that, it's not even disputable!
Fenian OIRA The History would seem to undermine your entire point! If Emigration was somehow CAUSED by being part of the UK, then LOGICALLY, it should stop with Independence??? So WHY did it in fact INCREASE after 1922?? Ireland's population PEAKED in the 1840s as part of the UK, but reached its' LOWEST point in 1960s, 40 years AFTER Independence!! Completely undermines your whole case frankly.....But then FACTS tend to do that with Rep' Propaganda, Pmsl!!!
You seem to have points about your Britishness and proud, but can I ask you what was the reason behind the invasion of Ireland and what gave them the right to rule the Irish people?
Can I ask you why you always try and make all unionists/loyalists look bad and ignore all the terrible acts committed by Republicans and ignore the fact that women were put in workhouses and worked to death just for having a child outside of wedlock you seem to love avoiding those questions dont you you one sided prick
@@liamg1706 maybe because people like "PrOtEsTaNt IrIsH rEpUbLiCaIn" use the plantations and actions made by certian members of the unionist community as a smeer tactic and make them all look bad and when it comes to the mother and baby home scandal and certain members of the Nationalist community do anything thats equally as bad he's as silent as lamb and never holds them responsible in other words in his small mind it's one rule for one community one rule for another but unlike this biased moran I criticise all of it
@@liamg1706 it's facts m8 but if you wanna be stuck up you're own ass and bitter about politics like the fraud that runs this channel then fine but know this a United Ireland won't bring justice for any of the innocent people from both the nationalist and unionist community alike who died or suffered losses during the troubles and it won't bring any justice for any of the mothers and baby's that suffered and or died in those work houses. Good day 👍
Ulster has always been a distinct & unique land with its own culture & identity, not for hundreds but thousands of years. Economically we are better off as part of the British Union than the Republic. Through remaining part of the United Kingdom over the past century Ulster has seen much greater prosperity than the south which is why so many have moved north in search of work & a better life. Northern Ireland is a land fighting to retain its freedom & identity, its people shall never surrender
info beam Go back down south? Irish people are the native people of Ireland, if anyone should be going back somewhere, it should be you. (Sidenote: Ulster consists of 9 counties, 3 of which are part of the Republic. Ulster is not synonymous with Northern Ireland).
If you like Ireland and hate the British that much go back there and stop claiming British benefits and using the NHS ya fucking idiot, I would happily swap the Gypsy famine Burden's here in Scotland for people of Ulster any day.
I laughed real hard after watching this video then reading the description. Thank You for that. Is it just totally lost on them that to describe their "british country" they have to use the word Ireland? or that their physically on the island of Ireland?
+Mark Gable Current referencing of these islands as the ‘British Isles’ is an artefact of 16th and 17th century political rhetoric rather than an apolitical or ahistorical ‘given’ geographical designation.
+Mark Gable +cahillgreg In pre-1922 terms. The British Isles now only refers to Britain and its small surrounding islands e.g. Man, Jersey etc. Ireland is not included in the "British Isles"
For over 40 years the Unionists have had "it's our way or no way" attitude and now they know how it feels, ya's aren't cracking the whip anymore lads this loyalist tinted Northern Ireland is ending.
I think the thing that can be taken from that is that, whilst Ireland is an island, it has never operated in isolation. It has, for thousands of years, been constanting interacting and people-swapping, trading elsewhere. It has been the coloniser and the colonised.
debating loyalists is impossible. This show seems to attract a lot of them shock horror but by God if they think the English crown gives a fuck about them there is something seriously wrong.
The "loyalist underclass" wanted it up 365days/year. The UUP's policy (as supported by NI21 and the Alliance) since the late 90s is designated days, bringing Belfast (and Northern Ireland's councils, at least in theory) in line with hundreds of other councils throughout the country. Thus unionist "upperclass" wanted 17days/year. The SDLP also supports this policy in Belfast and Downpatrick. But the SDLP is inconsistent - they don't support 17days/year in Derry/Londonderry.
@@TY-gh2yf I have no problem with German people i just don't like other nationalities commenting on another countries problems. Just like i know nothing about Germany's economics or political situation and i would never butt in about it.
And, naturally, just because it has been deliberately airbrushed out of one school atlas does not mean that it has been airbrushed out of all school atlases or even out of other reading material.
It's not that they want to be British - they ARE British. They were born and raised in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They were educated in the UK, pay taxes in the UK, contribute to and utilise the National Health Service of the UK.
At one point Ginger interrupts when Gerry Kelly says " we are in a part of Ireland " and Ginger shouts " No, Northern Ireland is not a part of Ireland " !!!!!!
They vast majority of Northern Irish nationalists were against the IRA throughout the duration of the Troubles. One possible reason why Sinn Féin has won so many votes in recent times is because they have moved away (somewhat) from their recent violent past. Whilst the IRA were active Sinn Féin generally polled poorly.
The government doesn't need to hold a referendum every time they go to war. The vast majority of the Northern Irish and Southern Irish people did not agree with the republican capaign to violently remove Northern Ireland from the UK. There are regular elections and a vast array pf other means through which people can vocalise their political viewpoints against the government. This has NEVER been possible with the IRA because they are a law unto themselves.
In all honesty I feel a wee bit sorry for the loyalists of Northern Ireland! They have no country to call home! The island of Ireland is Ireland! So now you understand my point! This one is so tough to call! So from a loyalist point of view the North of Ireland is a province of a country! This is a tough one! Answers please! English man here who loves and respects both British and Irish!
It really annoys me when i go to England and they REFUSE to take Ulster bank notes, they say it 's IRISH money. They also call us ALL paddys, both Catholic and Protestants. Now this annoys me as I'm a catholic but what must it do to LOYALISTS? The country u strive so much to be loyal to, doesn't recognise your ULSTER currency or even ur LOYALISM!! I know Northern Ireland people are better than the British and we should be UNITED against them - Carson wanted an independant state research it!!
For those born since 1984 British national identity is on the rise. For those born after 1994 Irish national identity is in decline. Only 7% of those whoe said that they had a Northern Irish national identity favoured separation from the rest of the UK.
The flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK) is the national flag of every part of the country. It had cross-community support. More catholics did not want to take it down than wanted to take it down.
If, in the unfathomably unlikely event that 75% of England were to choose to leave the EU and 75% of Northern Ireland were to vote to stay in the EU, then we would have to assent to the will of the majority. There's no point in playing ethno-nationalistic politics here. If 75% of Connacht were pro-EU and elsewhere in the ROI 75% were anti-EU then the will of the majority should stand. That's democracy. Otherwise we'd all break down into tiny fiefdoms which would be weak and pointless.
Only 56% of catholics in Northern Ireland chose to describe their national identity as "Irish" in the 2011 UK census. 73% of ppl (including over 95% of protestants, 51% of catholics and 66-75% of others/none) are pro-UK. It is exceptionally unlikely that there would be a United Independent Separatist 32-County Dublin-controlled Republic of Ireland any time soon.
I don't read DUP manifestos or propaganda, as a Celtic-Reconstructionalist it is an essential part of my faith to research the ancient history of Ulster and learn unbiased historical facts regarding the people who have always been there including the planters who returned home. That is why I believe that the Republican/Nationalist cause is false, bigoted and has no place in modern society. Such ignorance & intolerance should be unwelcome in the 21st century. Let Ulster be, I say
Well said betty and thank you for your sentiment towards us Irish in our long and drawn out struggle for freedom from british rule and desire for self determination.
If the British government had not granted the Unionists/Loyalists their own country then they would've carried out such violence against the new Irish Free State & fought a bloody war for independence. This is why Northern Ireland will never peacefully become part of the Republic, because the majority of the people there don't want it and IF it ever happened the bloodshed would be immense. Besides, self-determination is a basic human right that must be respected.
Balls. My mother grew up in Camlough in the 60s and 70s. Her father was turned down from numerous jobs because he was catholic. My grandmother was refused promotion for years whilst she watched lesser-experienced protestants move up the ladder. I could tell you more. And *yet* the vast majority of ppl didn't just join the RA. They didn't stand for the gunman in the night. Don't dare presume to lecture me that I don't know how things used to be. That was pure sactarianism. Partition = Irrelevance
The flag of the United Kingdom of Grate Britain and Northern Ireland flies circa 17 designated days per year over Belfast City Hall and Stormont already - this brings us into line with the most of the rest of the coutry where the Union Flag is flown on the same 17 designated days yearly.
Ali g summoned it up when he asked a loyalist if he was Irish and the loyalist laughed in disgust and says " no, im British " Ali g says " is you on holidays?"
That was Sammy Wilson, just epitomises the stupidity of unionism
The best
That episode of Ali G was hilarious, but I'm not sure how that "summons up" anything. Sammy Wilson is indeed British.
@@33LB he's northern Irish as well though
"I will never put myself in Nationalist Republican shoes" there's the problem, right there
Aye, they can go off back to England if they love it so much. Republicans are the only reason the troubles came to an end, you didn't see any lads coming out of uvf to make peace and join politics like McGuiness did with the IRA.
@@PatrickStar-ou8yg it had nothing to do with the UK government at all
@@hobbabobba7912 yes it did
@@kevinowens9581 yea I was being sarcastic, the UK government was willing to make peace, it wasn't just the IRA pushing it forward.
@@hobbabobba7912 the UK government were pushing it hard because they were going to pull out of Ireland and lose
"you're in a part of Ireland"
*shakes head* "Northern Ireland mate!" agreed then lol
Typical loyalist. Uncompromising, only likes the sound of his own voice. Forgets the reality that the genuine native population of this island have a right to express their identity and culture.
Simon Hunter Isn't it ironic that a loyalist would butcher the Queen's english?
Sean Ó Briain funny thing is I dont
Simon Hunter I think upon reflection of your previous statement, you'll find that you do.
davyjose1978. won't be long till they die out mate. as they are all getting older. and the nationalist community have a far younger amount of ppl. and the nationalists are having more children. so we'll breed them out. Lol. can't wait till the Irish tricolour is flying high over Belfast city hall. its then our country north and south. will be free from Britain. free Scotland. free Ireland. free Palestinian.
They are as thick as champ i swear
Gerry Kelly wiped the floor with them. Their attempts to intimidate him just bounced off him, he was completely unfazed.
In fairness, why would a man who bore arms in the bloodiest episode of Ireland’s modern history be intimidated by some unemployed scrote from east Belfast?
He's a Ra man afterall
This loyalist clearly thinks the more offended he acts, the stronger his argument is.
That must be the same thinking of nationalists around parading season they are never as offended by a flag or parade until around the 12th of July funny that 🤥
@@vlogger88 Well you would be considering it’s set up to be an anti Catholic and divisive celebration. And don’t try to say it’s about “culture”
There’s nothing divisive about taking a flag down and only having it on specific days. Considering the rest of the UK does this. And that NI isn’t a unionist ethnostate anymore
its hard to take a ginger smick in a hooded top serious
Anthony John quite
What's a smick?
@@GaspardDuMaurierEsq a chav
Anthony Donnelly I find it hard to take him seriously because his voice is that of a prepubescent boy.
But its easier to take a convicted terrorist in the form of jerry kelly serious there folks is the problem straight away 🤷🏼♂️ our country shouldn't be run by terrorists nor should any on BOTH sides be in Parliament full stop it wouldn't happen in any other park of the UK or world for that matter
Don’t get our fleg removed, how dare you remove our fleg, I want my Britishness fleg,,😂😂😂😂 never spent a day in school lol😂😂
From an outsider looking in....why do the union people shout the nationalist man down when he speaks? when union person speaks no-one talks over him?
Its the culture of the british govt toward the Irish .. and they have been able to get on with it for Hundreds years. And the british govt has a media blackout, and the outlets arnt allowed to repirtcon it. If you would like to know what is going on today, go to FACEBOOK, and look for, Northern Irish is not a proper Nationality. Thats just one of many pages.
As a young Unionist from NI in my early 20's I have no problem with Nationalist politicians, and I have many friends from a RC background. However Sinn Fein (shown in this clip) are the political wing of the IRA. Gerry Kelly who got shouted down bombed London and killed 1 person and was jailed, he then broke out of prison and shot a prison officer in the head during his escape. He was later re-arrested in Holland with bombs and chemicals to be used as weapons. Any wonder people aren't prepared to accept anything that killer says? How would you feel if it was your family, friends or community who had been bombed and murdered in the hundreds to sit and listen to someone like him lecture anyone.
***** although i still couldnt give them my vote to gerrys party they are the 2nd biggest party in northern ireland so some one agrees with them.it was the unionist parties who put them into government afterall when they told us all to vote in favour of the good friday agreement.i think its crazy we cant unite against the real people who are looting our country and sinking generations of your family into debt,but for some reason unionists people wish will fight to be governened by eton school boys and a royal family who are pampered just because their family were cunts and raped and pilaged to a mass huge land ownerships and great armies of weak minded minions willing to serve their cause
Gerry Kelly is very open about his past, the recognition that there was a conflict, a dirty war would be a great start from Loyalists and some Unionists, the State colluded with Loyalists the RUC colluded with paramilitaries, jesus everybody was fucking killing everybody! Lol
And yes you are totally right not to accept the word of a "killer" as you say, but at the time Sinn Fein had the support, still do, and always will, but the people are all wrong you,ll cry no doubt. But it,s all democratic now, fighting against a gerrymandered bastard state is no crime in my eyes if state forces were willing to kill innocents, infact it was the reality of things that people blinkeredly miss, or tend to only say it from their own perspective.
Kelly has stood and spoke out against dissidents a target to be killed also, what have any Unionist MPs done in a total reversal for the peace process? Not alot.
Ireland and the UK are changing faster than you could imagine. David Cameron hasn,t touched it with a shitty stick in the past 4 yrs!! Lol
***** I know exactly how you feel, we are being ran by criminal crime syndicates, but you have to face up to it, the queen is simply the boss and she has an even higher boss sitting in rome, the black pope! most of the top IRA though were british agents so it seems as if most of the bombings where at least allowed to go ahead and as more information surfaces i have found out that the UDR were basically a legalised paramilitary force in some areas! Read RUC sergeant John Weirs sworn affidavit you will be amazed and thats only part of it! I make no excuse for republican terrorists but it seemed to me they had a more legitimate target in that of the security forces albeit its still sick! On the other hand you have a government who not only facilitated and supported terrorism, their very institutions sworn to protect its so called people where involved on a large scale on the targeting and slaughter of totally innocent people simply for being Irish and having a high standing in the community was an even better target! we had the UDR and RUC changing to UVF at night and then coming back to your house after they had killed everyone with bombs and gun attacks as the UDR AND RUC to run the investigation into how they murdered you! Check out the GLENANNE GANG on the mostly edited wiki page they have! wiki only gives a portion of the truth and masquerades as the bringer of all truth
It's funny when you go around the world and say your from Britain and they groan.
But when you say your from Ireland you get cheers and free drinks 😂😂😂
That's actually a fact. Best thing about being irish is the free drinks
Never got a free drink abroad saying I’m Irish . I must be doing it wrong lol
Gerry you answered him in the politest manner ever, more than he deserved. Good on you. .
Regarding the 20yr old Loyalist.
Look how he enjoys the applause and also see how he asks a question but will not tolerate ANY answer and talks over it..
Talk to the guy one to one. The guy is emboldened by the clapping seals in the audience and that sort of (pissing contest) mentality will make an army of people who talk about violence into people who actually commit violence.
Teh goat i haven't heard a reply so articulately put in few words in a good ole while, i tip my imaginary hat to you sir
lamdnfnf Thank you
The basis upon which a constructive argument can be formed has seemingly passed the Loyalist community by. Any time a Nationalist view is aired, it's greeted with interruption. This can only be down to a basic lack of verbality and poor sociology within their community. The repetition of 'never', a throw-back to a time when unionist hegemony could be rubber-stamped with one simple word - enough to bat the Nationalists down. Not any more.
They say the empty can rattles the most.
That's true. a Malvinas islander can fly from Buenes Aires to Heathrow and spend the Bank of England notes in his/her pocket but a 6 counties "UK juristiction" citizen will have to go to a bureau de change to change any of the various NI banknotes he/she uses for day to day transactions.
20, I think he has an IQ of 20.
The saddest thing about the Loyalists position it that the mainland don't care about their misplaced Loyalty, and that was shown in the berxit debate and vote.
The last thing on the minds of voters here in England was the Loyalists, and that is the crucial thing that loyalists don't want to confront and more importantly, come to terms with.
Loyalists are their own worst enemy. They need to study Irish history, politics, media, social science and self awareness
zammo maguire and the republicans don't?
Andy Smith - Republicans are kings of propaganda and spin, Not many Loyalists could go toe to toe with Kelly?
Andy Smith your history is invasion, colonization, imperialism, genocide, hatred and the rest. Fuck your Union Jack, Ireland belongs to the Irish
Loyalist are thick people...no leadership no future.the United ireland is coming and that’s it
God save Ireland , God save Ireland , God save Heroes .. god save Ireland
wtf is a "fleg"? Collins English Dictionary: fleg (flɛɡ)
Definitions
intransitive verb
(Scottish) to run away, flee
Although it says that in the dictionary we actully call a fleg like "Oh my god you just gave me a fleg" as in a fright. Lol.
its like banging your head against the wall ... these loyalists can not see things from our side yet they demand we see things from theirs
can i ask what exactly he knows about his history and culture that he explained?
Typical Brit, doesn't know their history
He explained that he wanted the same rights as the Scots to fly a flag which represented his identity.
That was no “ debate” the hoodie guy was doing his cause more harm than good.
in this guys defense he did give an extremely articulated version of his britishness,it really was an in depth view into the mind of a flegger.yeeoooww!
He is a caricature of British people. People in England, Wales, and Scotland don't act like that (mostly)
The saddest thing about this whole debate, if we can call it that, is that people are measured by their character, their word, their empathy etc but never identified by their flag. There are many countries around the world where the Union Jack is hated and seen as a monstrous symbol of empire, death and destruction, massacres and so to identify with a flag is utter nonsense.
The young guys comments were probably the funniest and yet ironic all the same. When we had the politician explaining he was Irish and the youngster said he was British I wondered why it happened that he missed the fact that he lived in Northern IRELAND! Maybe they should canvass for a referendum to change the name to West Britain.
Robbie B He of Scottish heritage like most Ulster Unionists.
Gerry Kelly a real Irish man
Isnt it funny that the Ulster unionists ancestors were the founding Irish Republicans 😂
@@Johnnie808 see and i get why your community flipped sides i understand it you all may not admit it but it is fear, not economics fear is the main thing
How dare you put it up its not the flag of Belfast you want to be British get out of Ireland and go to Britain this is Ireland were the Irish tricolor should fly 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪✊
He's like a mini with the door's left open
I fail to see what 'analytical view' this guy gave., He just reiterated the usual 'it's our fleg' nonsense. I understand you are trying to not antagonise loyalists, but trying to paint this guy as being articulate and reasonable, when he is clearly not, is just being PC for the sake of being PC in my view. I mean at one point when Gerry was trying to speak, he was haranging him, saying he wouldn't be happy until the tricolour was put up instead, when no one was suggesting the tricolour being put up on official buildings at all. His comment that "I will never put pyself in nationalist/republican shoes! Never" shows us just how 'analytical' his views really are.
He's not the worst. If he was left alone to talk to Kelly he would probably do it by the sounds of him but he was playing to the gallery. It's not his fault if he doesn't know any better either.
Loyalists bring up their kids to believe that the state will look after them in terms of jobs etc, so they don't need to be well educated and are loyal to the flag. Harland & Wolff was in debt for decades but was kept afloat by Stormont because it provided jobs and reaped loyalty.
"Its not Ireland its Northern Ireland" LMFAO
So Ulster is not in Ireland are you having a laugh 😅
Its Ireland 🇮🇪 anyone wants to consider themselves British get out of Ireland and Go to Britain
It always makes me sick to hear an irish man calling themselves british 🙄🤯
The young lad comes over as a bitter little bigot...does nothing for the Loyalist cause...Ask yourself the question..."What would a neutral think of the above"...
The half of ye didint even realise at fleg was up there till it was took down prods are gonna have to get use to the fact were are not second class citizens anymore and use arnt gonna get your own way anymore shit one :-)
Didn't take long...I will "never" put myself in nationslists's shoes.....you could almost hear Paisley "Never, never, never". "A protestant state for a protestant people, a protestant parliament for a protestant people"....I don't think so. Catholics/Nationalists are quite prepared to share power and all that NI has to offer and throughout their history, Loyalists/Protestants have never wanted to do so....quite simple because their ancestors took the land off the indigenous people...and they could never share it because they felt it was being taken back. That and that alone is what is deeply in the loyalist/protestant pysche.
Nolan: Whats important to you and your identity?
Knuckledragger: Its British.
Dear Knuckledragger, before you extoll us all with all "British" you are, may I suggest you consult a map and check what island you're from?
I think you'll find it's not actually Britain.
davyjose1978 British is a term used to describe peoplee from the UK, it's crown colonies and overseas territories.
Thomas Ellis British refers to the people from the island of Britain. Not people from the island if ireland
Niall487 Nope, it refers to people from The United Kingdom, and the United Kingdom's overseas territories. In case you weren't aware, Northern ireland is part of the United Kingdom, an alternative name to the UK can be 'Great Britain' or just 'Britain', unless you're soley talking about the geographical island, Great Britain.
By your logic people from Hawaii are not American at all, which of course is not true.
Thomas Ellis Nope, Britain refers to the island of Great Britain, people from the island of Great Britain can be British as well as identifying as the country they are from. People from northern ireland are UK citizens and Northern Irish.
The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, its idiotic to say someone from NI is british as it is clearly differentiated.
So no UK is not the same as GB, if they were why would we have two different names
Niall487 Yes it is. The Prime minister refers to the 'UK' as Great Britain and in sporting events the *British* team (which contains Northern Ireland) is called team GB (team Great Britain), and in EU talks and negotiations the 'UK' is called Great Britain. The term UK is only favoured now probably due to political correctness and confusion over the island and country. You know that during world war 2 the 'UK' was always called Great Britain right? Well even since then no document or bill has been passed to change the name of the country, so you may call the UK, Great Britain, as most do. But it is official that people from Northern Ireland have British citezenship, like the rest of the 'UK'.
So people from the 'UK' (Great Britain, same thing) are called British, like it or not. Even if they are on the island of Ireland, they are British (there is no such thing as UKish).
What could have been an intellectual, emotional response painting the twenty year old loyalism on camera, this is merely a series of grunt noises which end with "NEVER". Not something which anyone will ever be proud of.
Gerry Kelly hit the nail on the head as always
The difference between Ireland and the Koreans is that, despite all years of separation all Koreans view themselves and one another as Koreans. The same was true of Germany. Both the E Germans and the W Germans all considered themselves German. This is not the case in Ireland. The Southern Irish consider themselves to be Irish whilst the Northern Irish consider themselves to be Northern Irish. It's different. We no longer share a common identity upon which a nationality could organically grow.
You are living on the island of Ireland. If you want to be British that bad then go live in England.
From a guy from Newcastle, England. If someone from Northern Ireland came to the uk, we would refer to them as Irish or northern Irish not British. We don’t refer to welsh and Scottish people as British.
@@tph3475 exactly. I don't know why unionists can't understand this.
Mr Irish they’re from the island of Ireland. They’re only British but uk law. A lot of in England are not bother if Northern Ireland leave the UK. We say it’s not our decision to make it’s the people of Northern Ireland decision to make.
@@tph3475 exactly and yet still no matter what the reality of their situation is they still stir trouble over wanting to be British. Sure no one in England wants them.
Mr Irish when we see the rioting in the media in Northern Ireland Sometimes during that orange parade. It’s embarrassing to identify that as a Englishman. As a proud English/Brit from Irish and Welsh decent. They’re parts of British history I am embarrassed about
Honesty is key here. The young man in the audience has the honesty to admit that he does not wish to put himself in nationalist shoes. Gerry Kelly *claims* to do so but does not. If Gerry Kelly were to really put himself in unionist shoes, or even in the shoes of his victims' families, he would resign out of common decency.
32 counties
87 county Isles
126 counties
A young little pup with fuck all blood sacrificed to any cause being disrespectful to a legend. If that little pup only knew...
p.s. I know my own history, I grew up in the troubles and I remember that Cathokics were treated like second class citizens for years. The only thing Loyalism is angry about is the fact that they aren't running the show anymore and they can't handle not being able to dominate anymore.
The British in Ireland , the Russians in the Ukraine both need to leave...........
And the Irish in Britain??? Make room for more than 6 Million then, PMSL!!!
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English oppression played a significant role in the high emigration levels of Irish people, and living harmlessly amongst a people is not the same as conquering and ruling them.
Fenian OIRA
Well that's bullshit! Emigration from Ireland was never higher than during the 1940s, 50s, 60s & 70s, with Irish people desperate to escape the oppressive, Ultra-conservative Church State, that de Valera created, with a basket-case economy......!
How the fuck was that 'England's fault', decades after Independence???
P.S. England hasn't even existed as a Nation since 1707, btw!
I didn't say it was England's fault, just that they had a significant part to play. Pre-independence emigration was still ridiculously high due to the poverty inflicted by the overlords. I don't see what the problem is with that, it's not even disputable!
Fenian OIRA
The History would seem to undermine your entire point! If Emigration was somehow CAUSED by being part of the UK, then LOGICALLY, it should stop with Independence???
So WHY did it in fact INCREASE after 1922??
Ireland's population PEAKED in the 1840s as part of the UK, but reached its' LOWEST point in 1960s, 40 years AFTER Independence!!
Completely undermines your whole case frankly.....But then FACTS tend to do that with Rep' Propaganda, Pmsl!!!
A very articulate and educated young man. Obviously Oxford or Cambridge.
😂😂😂 not in the least bit educated even his accent is a joke, and he just shouts!
We are in a part of Ireland....were not were in Norn Iron ...🥴
You seem to have points about your Britishness and proud, but can I ask you what was the reason behind the invasion of Ireland and what gave them the right to rule the Irish people?
Can I ask you why you always try and make all unionists/loyalists look bad and ignore all the terrible acts committed by Republicans and ignore the fact that women were put in workhouses and worked to death just for having a child outside of wedlock you seem to love avoiding those questions dont you you one sided prick
@@culeluke9953 what has any of that got to do with the British taking over Ireland
@@liamg1706 maybe because people like "PrOtEsTaNt IrIsH rEpUbLiCaIn" use the plantations and actions made by certian members of the unionist community as a smeer tactic and make them all look bad and when it comes to the mother and baby home scandal and certain members of the Nationalist community do anything thats equally as bad he's as silent as lamb and never holds them responsible in other words in his small mind it's one rule for one community one rule for another but unlike this biased moran I criticise all of it
@@culeluke9953 what a load of waffle. Every inch of the country is rightfully ours simple as.
@@liamg1706 it's facts m8 but if you wanna be stuck up you're own ass and bitter about politics like the fraud that runs this channel then fine but know this a United Ireland won't bring justice for any of the innocent people from both the nationalist and unionist community alike who died or suffered losses during the troubles and it won't bring any justice for any of the mothers and baby's that suffered and or died in those work houses.
Good day 👍
This is the common level of loyalist intellect,,, I think his IQ is similar to the number printed on the sole of his shoe.... If he's lucky...
Wee loyalist hardman. Couldn't beat snow off a rope.
Ulster has always been a distinct & unique land with its own culture & identity, not for hundreds but thousands of years. Economically we are better off as part of the British Union than the Republic. Through remaining part of the United Kingdom over the past century Ulster has seen much greater prosperity than the south which is why so many have moved north in search of work & a better life. Northern Ireland is a land fighting to retain its freedom & identity, its people shall never surrender
Ireland's as british as spain
Go back down south if you don't like it in Ulster. You still accept the queens money eh?
info beam Go back down south? Irish people are the native people of Ireland, if anyone should be going back somewhere, it should be you. (Sidenote: Ulster consists of 9 counties, 3 of which are part of the Republic. Ulster is not synonymous with Northern Ireland).
Gibraltar mate.
If you like Ireland and hate the British that much go back there and stop claiming British benefits and using the NHS ya fucking idiot, I would happily swap the Gypsy famine Burden's here in Scotland for people of Ulster any day.
Theres plenty of decent Loyalists out there.
Walking advert for contraception right there folks...
I'm EUROPEAN and I demand the European 'FLEG' to fly from every town hall in Europe! Makes as much sense as this 'british' bollox!
Gerry Kelly, the voice of reason
Northern Ireland is Irish not British. it is on the island of Ireland not Britain
I laughed real hard after watching this video then reading the description. Thank You for that. Is it just totally lost on them that to describe their "british country" they have to use the word Ireland? or that their physically on the island of Ireland?
Could you upload the whole show. I live in America and BBC online only makes it available in Ireland and Britain.
Thanks.
Ireland is a country to the west of 3 joined up countries separated by water Ireland is lreland is lreland united lreland god bless lreland
The Isle of Ireland geographically is part of the British Isles.
+Mark Gable
Current referencing of these islands as the ‘British Isles’ is an artefact of 16th and 17th century political rhetoric rather than an apolitical or ahistorical ‘given’ geographical designation.
+Mark Gable
+cahillgreg
In pre-1922 terms. The British Isles now only refers to Britain and its small surrounding islands e.g. Man, Jersey etc.
Ireland is not included in the "British Isles"
it's not a flag, it's a ffffllleeeggggg, hhaaa hhhhhhaaaa
Never never never, keep on saying it doesn't mean its going to happen
For over 40 years the Unionists have had "it's our way or no way" attitude and now they know how it feels, ya's aren't cracking the whip anymore lads this loyalist tinted Northern Ireland is ending.
I watched this episode a few times . and think it's hilarious
I think the thing that can be taken from that is that, whilst Ireland is an island, it has never operated in isolation. It has, for thousands of years, been constanting interacting and people-swapping, trading elsewhere. It has been the coloniser and the colonised.
debating loyalists is impossible. This show seems to attract a lot of them shock horror but by God if they think the English crown gives a fuck about them there is something seriously wrong.
The "loyalist underclass" wanted it up 365days/year. The UUP's policy (as supported by NI21 and the Alliance) since the late 90s is designated days, bringing Belfast (and Northern Ireland's councils, at least in theory) in line with hundreds of other councils throughout the country. Thus unionist "upperclass" wanted 17days/year. The SDLP also supports this policy in Belfast and Downpatrick. But the SDLP is inconsistent - they don't support 17days/year in Derry/Londonderry.
there will never be a united england,
You Germans just don't have a clue.
@@pauldunneska I'm not German, my roots are on the Isle to the west. Like a lot of people.
@@TY-gh2yf Are you Jamie Rehagan with a different username?
@@pauldunneska no I'm a separate person. I'm just pointing out, by contracting your idea of us, that it leads to nowhere.
@@TY-gh2yf I have no problem with German people i just don't like other nationalities commenting on another countries problems. Just like i know nothing about Germany's economics or political situation and i would never butt in about it.
I’ll check back in another 50 years to see how things are going ….
Brits out now!
And, naturally, just because it has been deliberately airbrushed out of one school atlas does not mean that it has been airbrushed out of all school atlases or even out of other reading material.
NO SURRENDER
DjQuick2008 😂😂
Independent Scotland in 2 years, United Ireland in 5.
No surrender my balls. 🇮🇪
He doesn't sound British at all ...
Mie fleg
It's not that they want to be British - they ARE British. They were born and raised in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They were educated in the UK, pay taxes in the UK, contribute to and utilise the National Health Service of the UK.
Doesn't matter which side of the border I'm from, NI is Ireland and always will be. You're in my country.
At one point Ginger interrupts when Gerry Kelly says " we are in a part of Ireland " and Ginger shouts " No, Northern Ireland is not a part of Ireland " !!!!!!
They vast majority of Northern Irish nationalists were against the IRA throughout the duration of the Troubles. One possible reason why Sinn Féin has won so many votes in recent times is because they have moved away (somewhat) from their recent violent past. Whilst the IRA were active Sinn Féin generally polled poorly.
The government doesn't need to hold a referendum every time they go to war. The vast majority of the Northern Irish and Southern Irish people did not agree with the republican capaign to violently remove Northern Ireland from the UK. There are regular elections and a vast array pf other means through which people can vocalise their political viewpoints against the government. This has NEVER been possible with the IRA because they are a law unto themselves.
In all honesty I feel a wee bit sorry for the loyalists of Northern Ireland! They have no country to call home! The island of Ireland is Ireland! So now you understand my point! This one is so tough to call! So from a loyalist point of view the North of Ireland is a province of a country! This is a tough one! Answers please! English man here who loves and respects both British and Irish!
Which we had more people like Gerry Kelly on both sides
What's a 'fleg'?
The flip side of people dying for any fleg is that people are still killing for it as well
It really annoys me when i go to England and they REFUSE to take Ulster bank notes, they say it 's IRISH money. They also call us ALL paddys, both Catholic and Protestants. Now this annoys me as I'm a catholic but what must it do to LOYALISTS? The country u strive so much to be loyal to, doesn't recognise your ULSTER currency or even ur LOYALISM!! I know Northern Ireland people are better than the British and we should be UNITED against them - Carson wanted an independant state research it!!
Some woman says 'hes a traitor' lol.
I know how can he be a traitor he was never on your team in the first place.
The Celts originally came to Ireland from mainland Britain, that's what makes their hollow argument so hillarious
I love the fact Nato has been around for years but yet when Ireland attacked people in Northern Ireland nothing was done
They should have a Union Jack and tri-colour up
,"nevAr," "nevAr" "nevAr
For those born since 1984 British national identity is on the rise. For those born after 1994 Irish national identity is in decline. Only 7% of those whoe said that they had a Northern Irish national identity favoured separation from the rest of the UK.
The flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK) is the national flag of every part of the country. It had cross-community support. More catholics did not want to take it down than wanted to take it down.
If, in the unfathomably unlikely event that 75% of England were to choose to leave the EU and 75% of Northern Ireland were to vote to stay in the EU, then we would have to assent to the will of the majority. There's no point in playing ethno-nationalistic politics here. If 75% of Connacht were pro-EU and elsewhere in the ROI 75% were anti-EU then the will of the majority should stand. That's democracy. Otherwise we'd all break down into tiny fiefdoms which would be weak and pointless.
Only 56% of catholics in Northern Ireland chose to describe their national identity as "Irish" in the 2011 UK census. 73% of ppl (including over 95% of protestants, 51% of catholics and 66-75% of others/none) are pro-UK. It is exceptionally unlikely that there would be a United Independent Separatist 32-County Dublin-controlled Republic of Ireland any time soon.
I don't read DUP manifestos or propaganda, as a Celtic-Reconstructionalist it is an essential part of my faith to research the ancient history of Ulster and learn unbiased historical facts regarding the people who have always been there including the planters who returned home. That is why I believe that the Republican/Nationalist cause is false, bigoted and has no place in modern society. Such ignorance & intolerance should be unwelcome in the 21st century. Let Ulster be, I say
Wouldn’t wanna see what that room smelled like. Huns
What is a Fleg exactly?
Collins English Dictionary: fleg (flɛɡ)
Definitions
intransitive verb
(Scottish) to run away, flee
Well said betty and thank you for your sentiment towards us Irish in our long and drawn out struggle for freedom from british rule and desire for self determination.
If the British government had not granted the Unionists/Loyalists their own country then they would've carried out such violence against the new Irish Free State & fought a bloody war for independence. This is why Northern Ireland will never peacefully become part of the Republic, because the majority of the people there don't want it and IF it ever happened the bloodshed would be immense. Besides, self-determination is a basic human right that must be respected.
Balls. My mother grew up in Camlough in the 60s and 70s. Her father was turned down from numerous jobs because he was catholic. My grandmother was refused promotion for years whilst she watched lesser-experienced protestants move up the ladder. I could tell you more. And *yet* the vast majority of ppl didn't just join the RA. They didn't stand for the gunman in the night. Don't dare presume to lecture me that I don't know how things used to be. That was pure sactarianism. Partition = Irrelevance
The flag of the United Kingdom of Grate Britain and Northern Ireland flies circa 17 designated days per year over Belfast City Hall and Stormont already - this brings us into line with the most of the rest of the coutry where the Union Flag is flown on the same 17 designated days yearly.
IRA, PIRA, INLA, RIRA, CIRA, Duffy and O'Hare clan, take note. This is how political democracy is supposed to work