When you disagree with the mix revisions - Andy Wallace
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When you disagree with the mix revisions by Andy Wallace
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Was expecting a meme, got great advice
Same 😂
Fck me when I clicked I was thinking" wow 6 minute long meme, that's probably compilation or something"
the only thing thats a meme is your account
@@saintjames7387 don’t bring it down Jim.
💀😂😂😂
Can you imagine getting a mix back from Andy Wallace and not liking it?
Nope
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Yes, absolutely - because if you deliver something that doesn't sound anything like [Wallace-mixed album that you love], and expect Andy Wallace to make it sound like [album you love]... you'll be disappointed.
@@EJCAudio It was rhetorical.
I think it's just one of those things like you're so excited to finally get something you've always wanted, then you get it and it's not near as exciting as you thought it would be, most likely because you hyped yourself up so much and set your expectations too high. Our brains have a funny way of playing tricks on us.
I get that it was a rhetorical question. I posted it anyway mostly for others why might find it useful.
"There's people that sort of want to control the mix too much without the proper skills and make suggestions that are definitely gonna be injuries to the mix", Lars Ulrich on the Justice album?
@MrLoveOneAnother He quoted Wallace which said that.
@MrLoveOneAnother Well idc tbh, point is given.
Besides the spell check, „... And Justice For All“ will sound great in 1000 years still, in particular because of this very mix
@@starbeardiesyoung I disagree, because the fact that there's barely any bass audible kills it for me.
I only dig in my heals when I think things are going too far.
Here is another suggestion from my 20 years plus of mixing and producing. AVOID giving clients "rough" mixes if you can. Then you are setting up a "demo love" situation. Once someone hears a rough mix hundreds of times (and you know they will) they are instantly biased.
Thats a good one, thanks!
That depends on the genre and artists you work with too. Just in my limited experience I’ve found a system that works. I have a few clients who book multiple sessions for the same song, because they want to hear the rough so they can fix things in their performances and change things about what they do. We’ve spoken about these things ahead of time and we know the workflow we work best with together. I deliver a rough shortly after the session. We have a session scheduled for a week after to fix/change anything. Then we go from there.
Thanks, that is great advice. I must admit this has happened to me.
Very well said
Interesting point about listening to a WIP/rough Mix, OP:
In the 20+ years I’ve been making noise, I have learned that listening to a WIP can definitely lean me towards being bias - for certain elements in a tune remaining at a certain volume, or sequencing staying a certain way/etc., after hearing it a million times - when it comes time to finish the tune/Mix/sequence into something absolutely final.
Takes me forever to finish anything because of this old habit.
Your comment struck quite a chord with me. 😉
Habe a good day.
The real question here is where was the bird cage hiding in his studio? Am I the only one or do you hear the chirping of birds in the background too? :D
I love the bird sounds in the background!
So many of my favourite albums were mixed by Andy. Such a great.
Andy Wallace sure looks like a lot of people.
lmao this is so random and specific at the same time i cracked up
Gene Hackman
😂😂😂
George Carlin
I fell out with my longest clients because they wanted me to master too loud after I’d been going too loud for a few mixes.. I even offered them to take a mix to a mastering house but no.. they wanted cheap and loud.
When I drew the line I had to then walk away.
That was the day I learned to please myself first.
Communication is always key.
Nice interview. First music based clip I’ve watched in a year after a pretty major thyroid breakdown. 🙌🏻
Reference mixes are the devil.
i'm not sure about that. I see myself as a service and i always try to serve the client before myself. Just my 2 cents
@@ascgazz7347 not just music advice, but life advice. thanks for that
@@SoundcastStudios you seem really happy. I hope that grows for you.
@@SoundcastStudios Like Gazz said, if it works for you it works buddy. No change is needed. But in my experience as a copywriter and a former musician, having personal gusto is a huge thing. It shows what you can offer to others, it shows how you can have fun with what you do in addition to earning money. The ultimate conclusion for me became, giving the client what they want but in my way. So that I don't feel disappeared or ineffective and clients feel satisfied at the same time. Because after some time, they come to you, mostly expecting what you do. (Of course I'm talking about the ideal world, but hey who said we cannot achieve it? :) )
The mark of a true professional is knowing that sometimes you can't make the client happy and that they should work with someone else. I've turned multiple potential clients away when it was clear that I wouldn't or couldn't do things the way they wanted. Yes, I'd like the money, but I also want to be satisfied with my work and for the client to like the results.
I wish there were hours and hours of Andy Wallace videos. I wish I could listen to more of him talk about pretty much anything
I remember reading that "At The Drive In" hated the mix of "Relationship of command" and only listen to reference mix. I love the Andy Wallace mix. The "Freak show" mixing is also a "chef d'oeuvre" for me.
Thanks for the great advice Andy. This is a major reason I always require the rough mix with the files, to make sure I'm not losing any of the "magic" while improving the mix and taking it to the next level.
This guy is the machine that ran the music of my youth.
Masterful as ever with Mr. Wallace, and great insight into the delicate operation of interacting with artists in the creative process.
Love andy wallace, appeciate his honesty and insight!
Beautiful. Like a puzzle, there's always a way to reconcile everything, but definitely it'd be a different mix to suite it
Would love as much Andy as possible. His history is so beloved by many to where it'd be a disservice not to take his cliff notes
great interpersonal skills, the hidden talent of great mixers. Thank you! cheers
Interpersonal skills are a blessing for everyones talent stack. Plumber to president.
That's the thing - shopping for good mixing engineers to mix your track is like browsing your food delivery apps. You gotta go with your guts to trust that person to do his/her job, hence why you need to know who you work with - not just because he/she is within your price range.
mixing with clients who know nothing about mixing and they make suggestions is the worst, i have mixed songs to my satisfaction, then the client wanted changes, i made them, then they didnt like them and ended up using my original mix and they had to admit i knew what i was doing, after going back and forth for weeks...so painful.
Yes totally, now when they ask me for some changes (or too many) i just save that on another session (with other name) so i can keep my original mix apart, certainly that's my way to deal with it, cus you know
If a client isnt satisfied with my first mix and master, I'll ask them for their input and make the changes. If they still don't like it, I'll send them the first mix and master again and say "try this one real quick", and seriously 10/10 times they always say "that's a lot better" and they end up using that one lol. I had that happen a few months ago.
Always have them pay by the hour. It solves a lot of issues.
@@fakshen1973 yeah , if they're physically able to be in your studio, sure. But this is 2021, a lot of my income is coming directly from people sending me stems or even summed tracks lol. I can't charge those people by the hour, instead, I just charge per track in that situation
@@largepoodle6036 charge per revision in that case
Superb advice in the form of experience.
Much appreciated.
Man I really like Andy Wallace so much what a fantastic person
This channel is right on. Good content!!
Trust that your client knows what they want. Make the changes they suggest and it'll sound better, worse or different. You have undo and multiple saved versions to fallback on. Try not to get into a discussion about why their idea won't work, just try it and listen.
Might want to mention the man's name in the title or description. Or in the video. Just a thought.
Thanks for this awesome video. Knowing that from time to time, even a legend like Andy Wallace gets such weird requests and can't please the clients with impossible requests show that there are limits to what artists can suggest. Obviously, with all his incredible experience, it is a lot easier for Mr. Wallace to know if something IS good or not for a mix than someone who starts doing mixing and/or mastering. At my level, which is
light years away behind the level of Mr. Wallace, I can't tell if a request is possible or not so I'll always say "Yes absolutely! I can do it!" ( 😂 ) but that could bring me to taking days trying to make impossible things or do things the wrong way as it could be easier using a different approach. Experience is such an
invaluable asset! Kindest Regards, have a great day and thanks to Mr. Wallace for taking of his very precious time, I know how much he must be busy on other stuff as well! 🎼🃏🎶🎵🙏😁🌠
Great interview. Wow!
Priceless advice from a legend.
@therainman777 Absolutely! Lol : ) If only he mixed In Utero 🤣
The one thing that destroys my love of mixing is...
Andy knows his stuff!
Mr Wallace is the man of high colture and is a joy to learn from. He mixed a lot of heavy stuff, and his mixes are works of art. I am personally not a big fan of the heavy music, but at the same time you can't miss a compelling sound of Reign in Blood, Toxicity and Nevermind albums. This man knows his job, as they say!
The great Andy Wallace! He said it, I didn’t...
please keep these comin
This man is brilliant!
really needed this today lmao
This guy is a wonder. He mixed the most of the music that I like, I found that out later. There were even situations where I would hear a song for the first time and I would instantly like the mix. I would go check who it is and there he is again.
A lot of my favorite albums were mixed by him but he is kind of a one trick pony in the sense that most of his mixes have kind of the same sound. Same snare sample, same bass sounds. He's a hit maker, the guy you want mixing the first album your rock band will put out, but maybe not the second.
Maybe he is a one trick pony if we are talking about his mixing choices and workflow but I don't agree that his mixes sound the same. The most important difference comes already from the artists and their own sound and performance. Does his work on The Cult, RATM, Jeff Buckley, Faith No More and Nirvana sound the same to you? I hope you don't mean that. He's got a few, maybe even same conservative (but some of those actually very creative, like those you've mentioned) tools and tricks to take him there were he wants the sound to be. I would even dare to say that the most mixers do the same. The most important asset in mixing is ears and he's got golden ears. If you would give him to mix your first album, why wouldn't you give him the next one? Just for the sake of change? If it sounds good, it sounds good. And he achieves that on serial basis.
@@erazmo Could not agree more with you. The only "same" thing about all these records is that they all sound absolutely beautiful. In my opinion, his work on "Grace" is simply stunning. This is definitely one of my all time favourite albums.
so, Great advice.
I would think very long and hard beforehand about what I would deign to suggest to Andy Wallace!
Thanks for the great tips!
Awesome, just awesome
Ahah One simply don`t tell Andy Wallace what is good for a mix! Just send the files and receive a masterpiece! Done!
Came here looking for tips & tricks and found gold
Client: Can we put a high pass on the master buss at 3k?
Andy: ...
Sounds like Pantera 😂
What a legend.
the obi-wan kenobi of music production..
I just posted 'The George Carlin of music production' before I saw your comment. Haha..
I remember Andy from EARS in Jersey
That's a guy I'd like to have a beer with.
Has to be communication. It goes both ways.
It would be nice if you placed links to Andy's work, website or ways to reach / know more about him.
I've been in the room when Andy was offering to quit a mixing a record by saying "I am probably not the right guy to mix your record" The nonsense requests stopped in that moment.
I would love to know who wanted those reference mixes released?
Yup , Andy is going to mix my next hit record lol
(the) Andy Wallace mixing Avenged Sevenfold on MWTM are sick!!!
I know one of his client who disliking his mix because it’s sounds ‘too polished’ but then it became the greatest track of all time.. is.. Kurt Cobain 😆
At the Drive-In said the same thing about Relationship of Command.
I think Cobain loved the entire album when he first heard it. Everything I’ve read about Nirvana has said they were all really pumped about the album when they finished it. I think Kurt just got really self-conscious and insecure about the level of fame and attention he was getting, so he started trying to distance himself from it by criticizing its production and throwing the record company and their hired hands under the bus. He was a young, conflicted guy.
@@kryzs_kornhell Relationship Of Command is a masterpiece, it's their best sounding album.
@@rockboy360 Agree.
TestMeatDollSteak Not sure. But did you aware that there’s also Butch Vig’s mixing version? And all other albums doesn’t have the same sound like Nevermind album
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Who in the world would tell Andy Wallace that he is wrong? Lol
No one can be everything to everybody. Sometimes people just don’t hear things the same way. He does mention that he tries to make things work, but if they’re really not connecting, he’s not the person for the job. But if you want him to mix your album just because of his name, that’s silly too because only a few of us nerdy types even care who mixed what album. He’s certainly mixed some great albums in his time, so no doubting his expertise, but many other people have made great mixes too and they all have their place.
I’m certainly not in the tier with Andy Wallace, but the longer I do this, I’m realizing that I need to halt my initial reaction and consider a suggestion. One of two things will happen- we try it and it doesn’t work as agreed by everyone, or we try it and I learn a new viewpoint, new technique, new approach, etc. that will help me down the road.
@@mrufino1 no one can be everything to everybody
LEGEND
some truth right there
Andy: ....i have spoken....
Wonder if it was Jack? Both great men to me
I tried to do this job but was unable to. I have the soul of a composer artist. in addition, I like to do everything myself and be only responsible to myself
Industry is a group project. At some point you need the give the steering wheel to someone else or drive together🌡
@@TheNinjaHopper yes, i did. i gave the steering wheel to God. i mean small projects. i need more people for bigger projects
Angel,
Not for Dance music it’s not. It can all be done alone.
Revisions, a process I know well.
A conductor once asked me to play something differently from the way I was playing it. I complied and he said, There, isn't that better? I replied, Well, it's different. I don't use the word "better".
Supposedly, Andy mixed Dinosaur Jr's "Where you been" and J hated it so he ended up having Agnello, who recorded it, go back and mix it over in 5 days, according to Agnello on "LIFERS" podcast. I loved SY's "dIRty", but haven't heard all his mixes. He's not perfect, nobody is. As big a fan as I am of Albini and almost every band he's recorded, he's failed on Slint's "Tweez" and Fugazi's "In on the killtaker", which they re-recorded w/ their previous producer and scrapped Albini's sessions. What's important is that he's had more incredible mixes than not. Again, nobody's perfect.
I have to wonder if the mysterious client was At The Drive In for Relationship of Command
No it's not, because Andy mixed that album, and it sounds great and raw.
@@topiwiio8017 I love this album. LOVE IT. but the band hates the mix. Omar is on record hating on it pretty bad. Saying that the board mix is the one he liked, to the point that he can’t listen to Andy’s mix. Which I don’t understand at all, because I think the album rules myself.
@@bulletproofzest I think it's weird that band doesn't respect the mix. 2006 band called HIM hired Andy to mix their new album, but then they let Andy go and their producer mixed that album. I remember that because it was news headline in Finland. :D
I searched for a comment to say this.
the thumbnail and title made this look like a joke video
Lmao i thought so too
It would be even better with Rick Rubin on it
Hahahaha!!!
That’s the hook
Before I listen to a mix I already know the cow bell must be louder 😉
"guys, we just don't have enough songs that prominently feature the cowbell"
@@EJCAudio 😁
must have that cowbell in there lol
Always 😉
Hi, doesn't that depend on which level you are performing? As a beginner, and earn about 20$ per mix, I wouldn't yet complain about their complaints? Because the best add, is pretty much the rumors from producers or artists? Or am I wrong?
Not necessarily it only depends honstly about the relationship between artist and engineer
It’s not about level so much. Even when inexperienced, the engineer needs to be the one who knows how to hold a mix together in spite of the artist. Andy says it the best I’ve ever heard starting at about 2:31. The most important skill you’ll ever learn is right there.
Legend
Hahaha did Wallace admit he’s gotten into a fist fight about a mix?
so fist fights do occur now and then
How dare you question Andy Wallace????
I thought I was the only one...
Great advice but why is the audio clipping in a video like this 😟
I always ask myself these questions.
Lots of videos where advice is given, ironically, that what they try to teach is bad in the video itself
I don’t hear any distortion on my iphones shite speakers, sounds fine.
Did you look at the audio in a WAV editor to see it actually going over 0?
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf nah, was just watching on my TV and it sounded like it was
Copy that.
I’ll listen to Andy with two soup cans and a piece of string.
Fun guy
Odd that the cameras “crossed the 180 degree line” here, he looks left in one shot and right in the other,.
It's 2 different cameras.
what's a reference mix ?
A mix you use as a reference while mixing the actual mix.
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I like the remix version better
He did the mix on foo fighters there is nothing left to lose by foo fighters.
1:35 YES!
This stuff is just as bad. When someone say “I like it!” and nothing else when you *know* they have an opinion, that’s just as bad…
The comment about "establishing the mix" really intrigues me.
It’s super important. When your mix is built correctly, as he says you have freedom to make changes without it being disruptive. On the other hand, if your mix isn’t established and someone says, “ turn the electric bass up “ well, you just fucked up the piano and now the kick drum has disappeared.
The George Carlin of music production.
Tbh I’d just trust him
I'll never understand why clients insist on sabotaging all their hard work in the eleventh hour. I've had mixes which were clearly superior in every way rejected because they didn't match the crappy quality of the other songs on the album or they didn't sound as low fidelity as what they had done in their bedrooms. I've been forced to take the Bass down so low that it was practically non-existent because the client was near-deaf and couldn't hear any highs. I've had clients force me to do mixes with the Vocals too far out front because they insisted that their audience be focused on the lyric content. It got go a point where I even briefly retired.
u work with bad artists, get better and work with real artists
@@iletaMarchita After 48 years in the business, my skills aren't the issue. The artists I work with are light years beyond the nonsense garbage that you do.
It’s amazing how band members become mix engineers just because they’re in a studio. You never see a mix engineer say hey hand me your guitar I’ll play that for you...
@@RiotHomeRecording Except if he learned an instrument because many did....
@@RiotHomeRecording oh, i actually had to do this a couple of times lol
I would love to have s month in a studio mixing with Andy learning stuff. I think the biggest issue for amateurs is the fact that the material they have to mix with is far inferior to the well produced recordings the pros have plus no SSL desk fatness.
If they didn't like this guys mix did he still demand payment... Right.
Must be talking about Axel lol
tfw u disagree w the mix revisions
Glad to hear I’m not the only one who says that in regards to the reference mix. If you like the ref so much, why did you hire me? Just get it mastered and be done. Here’s your refund, have a nice day
ese es el bendito problema con los cantantes de mi pais, que se creen ingenieros de mezcla.
He's a talker.
He destroyed Test for Echo.
He probably did what Peter Collins asked him to do.
Andy Wallace: "...It works out."
Artists: "Andy Wallace had his way. And we were grateful."
I find the closer the mix is to finished the more the band becomes experts in mixing and sonics. Singers are the absolute worst in my experience. In the end I just give up and make their changes, when it gets to that point mentally I've moved on to the next project.
Just do not understand this whole concept of sending a mix out to somebody to mix for you as opposed to being in the studio with an engineer the whole concept is foreign and weird when did this start where did this come from who the heck would do such a thing what kind of music producers do this.
It’s like this. I started making my living as a record/ mix engineer in 1986. Do I miss having the entire band spouting “ mix” suggestions ( mostly “ turn me up “ ) in the control room? Not one fucking bit. But the other side of the story today is the bulk of my mixing is remote and it can be a total nightmare when the client is asking for revisions based on there often terrible listening situation.
From my experiences the best product comes from the artist sharing a clear sonic vision with me and one or two reference tracks that actually make sense. You have to know and trust your mix engineers ears. Often the artist has zero understanding of what a “ Mix “ actually is or how one achieves it.
But having said all that, my favorite mix situation is with the decision making client sitting beside me and working together to hit the target. As long as they have a clue about how audio mixing works.
@@cary3428 I hear you and i respect you. we must not forget that the greatest and most successful recordings were made with the the artist and producers in the studio with mix eng implementing their will and vision.
Am i wrong in thinking that no one seems to know what a music producer is any more
R.I.P phil spector!!
peace
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Thanks for putting this video together.
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