One of my favourite swings to watch. Always thought to myself boy he makes the golf swing look so simple. Never looks like much can go wrong, and in a game where there is no such thing as perfect you are giving yourself the best possible chance of being there abouts. Definitely trying to swing very similar to what you have spoken about, for me the real versus feel is next level. But that’s coming from someone who’s always been very disconnected and required a reroute and timing. Had enough of that, inconsistency and loosing golf balls 🤦♂️😂
Built my swing around it knowing full well at that time that I will have limited time to dedicate to improving my swing mechanics so opted for a tried and tested simple swing method that has made dividends over the years with multiple times having small breaks from golf due to external commitments, didn't take long at all to get back into the swing of things so to speak 😊👍🏻
The best club reviewer on youtube hands down. That said I like videos like this where you talk about your golf swing. I find it interesting that you refer to it as one plane swing. Would love to see a more in depth video of the ins and outs of your swing.
Unfortunately by the looks of the view count, not enough people care about simplifying their golf swing to aid consistency..... For the time filming and editing.... I'm not sure I could justify doing more content on it even though personally I feel its every bit as, important as my in depth club reviews 🤷👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Appreciate the honesty. Nevertheless your content is always high quality and informative no matter what the topic is. Will continue recommending your channel to my golfing circle.
Thank you, jay I’m senior, arthritic and a slow swing speed, I’ve been using (trying) to copy Mr hogan. Doesn’t help with distance however it’s always down the middle which upsets my cogolfers quite a bit lol . Please keep up your wonderful informative information, I’m a subscriber and truly appreciate all the work you put into your videos, thank you!! PS I’ve been gaming the s18 wedges for quite some time (absolutely love them) but showing there age, what wedge is closest to them, the es or the s23
Morning Kevin, thanks very much for your comment. I'd say the S23 would be the most appropriate replacement for the S18s. The ES wedges are quite a bit bigger in there overall size so going from an S18 the S23 would be fairly seemless 👍🏻
This was a really good video Jay. I made a lot of sense as to why my swing(and I'm sure many others) is so inconsistent with ball striking. I couldn't put my finger on it but I always thought your swing looked "different" 🙂. This explains why. I would love to see more on this "simple" swing. Or if you have any links that might go into it some more. Thanks.
Would love to do more content surrounding this topic but by the view count it looks as though not many people care about being more consistent by simplifying their swing mechanics 🤷🤦👍🏻👍🏻
Funny enough, that's what I've been trying to do to get rid of my over the top swing 😢 it is a lot better, but still there, but not as much.. I only started this 2 days ago. I'm playing this afternoon .. just subscribed 😊
Thanks for the feedback. I think it'll depend on the view count if it's worth doing more videos like this. I personally think this and other videos like this are important to explain. 👍🏻
@RajKumar-zm4ll Keep It Simple Stupid - or KISS method has been at the forefront of all my coaching past and present. For the golfer that can't dedicate hours and hours to complex swing changes, having a swing that concentrates on reduced unnecessary movement is key to a more consistent feeling and resulting swing 👍🏻 KISS method is Full Swing, Short, Game and even Putting 👍🏻
Very interesting. I just saw a short UA-cam video by Gary Player that I think deals with exactly your point. He said he got this advice from the always terse Ben Hogan many years ago but was too dumb to get it. It was to keep the upper lead arm touching the chest on the takeaway and backswing. Precisely because keeping the lead arm away from the chest involves too many possible variations in how far away, and they all create a difference in the swing path. Maintaining that contact produces a reliable and consistent backswing and thus a more simple and reliable downswing, especially important when you are under pressure.
@@AskGolfNut still the best in my book Jay! Tried the T350, 530i, both excellent same price but have Mizuno and Wilson Dynapwr forged to try. In the players distance category the 530i shocked me very forgiving so how would the JPX pro or 245 stack up on forgiveness? Many thanks Jay!
I think I must have missed something. You said it is a single plain swing? Hogan's book Five Lessons The Modern Fundamentals of Golf shows the downswing plane to be different then the backswing (page 89 in my paperback book). Downswing shallower and tipped to the right. As I mentioned, maybe I missed something (happens all the time). Excellent video. Nice ball striking.
Thanks for this Jay. As I said on your community page, more coaching style videos about swing mechanics and/or short game tips would be great so I’m loving this content! I thought Hogan’s magic elbow started tucked in as well (something Pete Cowen also advocates). You don’t seem to do that so much although you are totally connected at the top. Is there a reason for that or am I misinterpreting?
Main reason George is due to my posture. I'm more bent from the hops so my arms hang vertically underneath my shoulders. Hogan's swing can used on soany setups. That's the beauty of its simplicity 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut makes perfect sense. I’ve been working on staying more connected with the trail elbow but finding that I’m now swinging 5 or 6 degrees from the inside and can’t easily get closer to zero. Fine when the club face is slightly closed eg 2 degrees but when I leave it open I get massive pushes to the right and big hooks if I close too much. Definitely work in progress!
Love the tight right elbow. Wasn't Harvey Pennick's "magic move" getting the downswing with a left shift & clearance? The bit I'm never sure on is the wrist as you finish the wind up. It's easy to fan as you come back. Hogan projected the back of the wrist out - but I seem to hook if I do that. So I try to stay pretty passive
Wrist positions very much are dictated go by initial grip position and what is neutral for the golfer in question. Biomechanics dictates that neutral is different for us all. So depending on what your neutral grip is then the wrist conditions should follow that baseline. So one person's extension is another's flexion etc etc 👍🏻 key is to understand where you are outside of your baseline so that any changes you make or feel are done with the correct understanding of how that effects the club face 👍🏻
It's his connection to the body. Much is taught nowadays about maximising width in the swing for maximum power, yet for most it just yeilds inconsistency especially as most golfers haven't got 8 hours a day everyday to practice. Keeping the elbow connected through the whole swing into impact allows a simple swing back and rotation without adding extra arm movement into the timing of the shot 👍🏻
Saw that picture of Hogan and, without even seeing which UA-camr was posting, said to myself that's Jason from AskGolfNut! Btw, do you have site/contact info for video coaching? I'm in U.S. Thanks
Hi James. If you wanted to reach out via Instagram, I do most of my online coaching through there as it allows you to share screens etc for Coaching purposes 👍🏻 It's Jay, I haven't been called Jason since I was last told off by my mum when I was about 10 years old 🤣🤣
Great video Jay. I’ve often thought when watching you “gee, Jay stands a long way from the ball at address”. To me it seems like you’re really reaching for it when most coaches seem to suggest that the arms hang more vertically under the chin. Firstly, do you agree with that observation? (Not a criticism - I actually love your swing, so compact and punchy). But if so, is that a conscious thing you’ve done as part of the flatter single plane swing? Is it just a by-product of it? Or is it completely unrelated? Cheers mate
Hi Cam, actually with irons my hands are underneath my shoulders and only into the woods does it slightly move away from vertical. It must just be the camera angle most of the time 👍🏻 Really the main thing with posture and stance is teaching a balanced but able to be dynamic. For instance if one was standing nice and tall but weight on their heels then there is little chance for dynamic motion as they're stuck in posture even though their stance is relatively decent. Think of it as the receiving Tennis players stance ready to hit back the incoming serve 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut sorry Jay, I described it poorly. Your arms are actually quite close to vertical as you said. But that’s because you have a lot of bend from the waist. A lot of coaches suggest a one hand width from top of grip to belt buckle, but I would say that gap for you is much larger. Again not a criticism - but I’m interested to know: Is this a conscious decision you made? And if one was to adopt a flatter single plane swing, should it be accompanied by more bend from the waist and a wider gap between grip and belt buckle? Thanks
@cameronloveless1751 ah yes, that is absolutely true. Initially back in my early years I suffered from an over exaggerated early extension that caused issues with handle delivery so I evolved a more bent over Keegan Bradley or Matt Kutchar type of bend, and it stayed even as the swing progressed. Again it's just one side of the totally acceptable spectrum of what works. I don't personally mind if some one comes in with either an Upright or bent over posture as long as their body can be dynamic and repeat the mechanics without fear of injury etc 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut early extension is something I fight big time, so I will try this. My strike miss is nearly always toe (and sometimes an inch off centre). Initially my mind was thinking “hmmm…extra bend might exacerbate that miss-strike” but I know it’s the “standing up” with high hands and swinging inside the line that causes the toe strike. So yeah, will take this on to the range next time and see how it goes. Cheers mate, hope the weather is starting to improve over there… we are starting to see more wet & wintery days 🥶 here in Melbourne 🇦🇺 after having our driest Feb/March ever recorded!
Shirt looks like you borrowed it out of Dr. Drakken and Shego’s closet. lol. I’ve learned that for me the “Bryson” swing style works best for me. I am thinking about keeping everything as long and straight as possible and point the elbow at the target and it’s giving me the most consistent results.
Umpteen different swings on tour, it’s just finding what works for the individual. Trouble is, teaching professionals often try imparting their swing on students. I use pros from different clubs and probably why my swing is so confused 😂
I guess thats where Coaching and Custom Fitting separate. Coaching is the individuals opinion on the direction to improvement. Ask 10 different coaches and you'll get a variety of different ways to the same destination. Custom Fitting in the other hand is very much so a science and so if done and measured correctly, asking the same 10 Custom Fitters and within a very small variance, they should all come up with the same answer. Personally I've always taught simplicity and with the constrained practice time availability that most people have, trying to remove unnecessary moving parts has always yielded quicker and more consistent results. 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I’ve just tried your swing, which to my inexperienced eye looks like there’s an early wrist cock and with 5i down seems to work for me with repetitive results. Not so successful with the hybrid, but early days.
@midhc5072 it should just be a case of understanding low point for the hybrid. As the clubs get longer and the loft comes off the variance always increases. The main reason for having a much more connected swing it's more so to reduce the variance of the golfers unnecessary movements to allow a more consistent baseline 👍🏻
@midhc5072 my swing is completely based on reduced unnecessary movement with every club. If anything with Driver, having the most simplistic swing possible is key to being as consistent as possible 👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Jay, I tried this way of swinging the club, and keeping the trail elbow connected to my side seems to lead to swinging the club too much inside in my backswing, and then I get stuck... which leads to weak high pushed or duck hooks. What am I doing wrong?
If your Wrists aren't pulling the club head to the inside then if must be Trail arm rotation..... Your trail elbow or side of tricep stays close to your trunk but your arm doesn't need to fan backwards. Check your wrist positions and also watch what your trail arm wants to do that affects the direction of the club path on the way back 👍🏻
@neoinarien in all honestly I'm happy with the audience and if anything as it grows I'd like to round it a touch to be slightly more general. So I'll keep doing the odd bit like this 👍🏻
Everyone loves a solid base 😊 never felt comfortable with a narrower stance, I always want my weight between in soles of my feet so I can freely push off to transfer mass during transition. Never felt fully in control of my horizontal low point with a narrower stance 👍🏻
Love your channel and gear content, I’m far from qualified to be instructing but at 4:28 your demonstration of moving the golf club head I think is flawed, what you are doing is simply increasing your right elbow fold without applying forces to the handle, but the best strikers of the golf ball have both accuracy and power by eliminating right elbow fold when possible (wide backswing) and dumping the right elbow angle as soon as possible to keep to the golf swing as simple as possible and to strike it consistently. Great example of the right elbow would be Nelly Korda and Tiger Woods swing in recent years when he isn’t stuck Anyways just food for thought should you head look into it, love your channel, love your content
But by keeping extension in the right elbow it causes disconnection between the arms and body. If you look at all top golfers and every good ball striker, their trail elbow is always tucked into their trail side (relatively speaking) at impact. All I do and Hogan is to get the trail side connection going as soon as the backswing starts. I'm not saying for a moment that all other golfers are wrong, far from it, what I am saying is, that any move where body parts move at either different planes to the core and even body parts moving in 2 different planes to the core at different times, it means a greater requirement for timing and practice grinding the motion into a repeatable swing. 👍🏻
"the best strikers...dumping the right elbow angle as soon as possible". That's not what they are doing. If you do that you'd end up casting the club. Tiger's swing: ua-cam.com/video/RZ4ZWQgLSus/v-deo.html
Not sure where casting would come from.... But Tiger goes from separated to connected to just separated just before impact. But the point is not in any way to say that Tiger and all that do things slightly differently is wrong, not at all and in any way. What I'm saying is with the connected, separated, connected and separated swing model, there is plenty of movements to time. Going connected nearly all the way through has much less moving parts for very very little drawbacks 👍🏻👍🏻
I agree with the connecting part and connecting the right elbow via tucking (external rotation, lateral move left and vertical drop back down), but the tuck can’t be done by increasing right elbow bend. Tiger even commented before on liking Max Homas cast from the top. AMG golf also has beautiful numerical demonstrations on what the right elbow has to do in the swing. Anyways your ball striking is far better than me and almost everyone else so I’ll just agree to disagree, looking forward to more content from you!
The right elbow doesn't necessarily increase in flexion, but it's location from disconnected to connected creates an unnecessary move for amateur golfers that have very limited time to practice. The beauty with Hogans swing is that it simplistic and easier to learn and practice. There may be small power penalty due to the lack of width but as he and I with the help of GCQuad showed that a higher club head speed with this narrower connected swing is easily still possible 👍🏻👍🏻
For me there needs to be a tangible benefit to a swing change. Just moving the hands higher and separating them from your chest/should plane only serves to disconnect them from the body, so a drop or reconnection move is required in transition to get the grip into position. The wrist then need to behave to allow the club head path to be alongside or slightly under the grip/hand plane to not hit over the top fades.... Always have seemed to me to be overly complex, especially for most golfers that have very limited practice time 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I agree with you 100% Had lost old swing at the time 😂 My driver is slipping back to old faithfull, work getting in the way of finding distance with irons. Getting there just not consistantly🙃
@petemajor4454 if we could only retire early and do the things we want and have all the time in the world to do them.... This working for a living will never catch on 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻
He was in a fair amount of extension in his wrist. People see lag angle or radial deviation, to get into the amount of bend he demonstrates, the wrist has to go into extension to. Absolutely fine to do as long as the angle is removed before impact and otherwise it would cause an open face angle to path 👍🏻
@AskGolfNut The first time I saw your swing, it reminded me of Hogan's ... more specifically, the wristy thing you do at the top. I have a short backswing (a la John Rahm) and tried extending my arc by doing the Hogan wrist thing, but it resulted in a loss of control.
@AndrewLane-pm2ro it's due to the shorter amount of time you have to remove the angle before impact. As my backswing is longer, I have more time to get the wrist angle back out again 👍🏻
@AskGolfNut Yes, a longer backswing allows more time to do everything ... including generating clubhead speed. 👍 John Rham's is freakish in that he can generate enormous power with an abnormally short backswing ... which means he's abnormally strong!
Hi Trey, just wanted to say thank you very much for your kind donation. It is always appreciated when people choose to support myself and the channel. Thanks again 👍
Thanks Jay. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻
Great information and refreshing. Thank you
One of my favourite swings to watch. Always thought to myself boy he makes the golf swing look so simple. Never looks like much can go wrong, and in a game where there is no such thing as perfect you are giving yourself the best possible chance of being there abouts. Definitely trying to swing very similar to what you have spoken about, for me the real versus feel is next level. But that’s coming from someone who’s always been very disconnected and required a reroute and timing. Had enough of that, inconsistency and loosing golf balls 🤦♂️😂
No matter how good you get..... You'll always hate losing golf balls 😊 glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻
Probably the best advice for the golf swing!
Probably 😊
Staying connected is the single and simplest way to achieve repetitive and effective golf, any pro that references the great man, has my ear
Built my swing around it knowing full well at that time that I will have limited time to dedicate to improving my swing mechanics so opted for a tried and tested simple swing method that has made dividends over the years with multiple times having small breaks from golf due to external commitments, didn't take long at all to get back into the swing of things so to speak 😊👍🏻
The best club reviewer on youtube hands down. That said I like videos like this where you talk about your golf swing. I find it interesting that you refer to it as one plane swing. Would love to see a more in depth video of the ins and outs of your swing.
Unfortunately by the looks of the view count, not enough people care about simplifying their golf swing to aid consistency..... For the time filming and editing.... I'm not sure I could justify doing more content on it even though personally I feel its every bit as, important as my in depth club reviews 🤷👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Appreciate the honesty. Nevertheless your content is always high quality and informative no matter what the topic is. Will continue recommending your channel to my golfing circle.
Thank Jay. This type of swing is something you can play for a lifetime. Simple, fewer moving parts and repeatable. Thanks for the great content.
Hi Trey, thanks so much for your kind support of the channel. It is very much appreciated 👍🏻
Thank you, jay I’m senior, arthritic and a slow swing speed, I’ve been using (trying) to copy Mr hogan. Doesn’t help with distance however it’s always down the middle which upsets my cogolfers quite a bit lol . Please keep up your wonderful informative information, I’m a subscriber and truly appreciate all the work you put into your videos, thank you!! PS I’ve been gaming the s18 wedges for quite some time (absolutely love them) but showing there age, what wedge is closest to them, the es or the s23
Morning Kevin, thanks very much for your comment. I'd say the S23 would be the most appropriate replacement for the S18s. The ES wedges are quite a bit bigger in there overall size so going from an S18 the S23 would be fairly seemless 👍🏻
This was a really good video Jay. I made a lot of sense as to why my swing(and I'm sure many others) is so inconsistent with ball striking. I couldn't put my finger on it but I always thought your swing looked "different" 🙂. This explains why. I would love to see more on this "simple" swing. Or if you have any links that might go into it some more. Thanks.
Would love to do more content surrounding this topic but by the view count it looks as though not many people care about being more consistent by simplifying their swing mechanics 🤷🤦👍🏻👍🏻
Just found your channel and you found a new subscriber. Thanks for this video! Going to start implementing this into my mechanics!
Funny enough, that's what I've been trying to do to get rid of my over the top swing 😢 it is a lot better, but still there, but not as much.. I only started this 2 days ago. I'm playing this afternoon .. just subscribed 😊
If you wanted any online coaching assistance, I'm happy to help. If you reach out via Instagram we can chat there 👍🏻
The best You Tube golf channel , let’s get this guy up to 20k and beyond. Better than many 2M channels 🤗🫡
Thanks so much for the kind words and support 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Jay. Steve Johnstone did some really good videos on adopting Hogan technique
This is a fantastic video please explain more when possible this is what i want❤
Thanks for the feedback. I think it'll depend on the view count if it's worth doing more videos like this. I personally think this and other videos like this are important to explain. 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I fully understand it is audience driven but you have hit a spot with me keep it simple
@RajKumar-zm4ll Keep It Simple Stupid - or KISS method has been at the forefront of all my coaching past and present. For the golfer that can't dedicate hours and hours to complex swing changes, having a swing that concentrates on reduced unnecessary movement is key to a more consistent feeling and resulting swing 👍🏻
KISS method is Full Swing, Short, Game and even Putting 👍🏻
Just bought Ben Hogan's book, Power Golf so your video is excellent timing for me ! Thanks.
Very interesting. I just saw a short UA-cam video by Gary Player that I think deals with exactly your point. He said he got this advice from the always terse Ben Hogan many years ago but was too dumb to get it. It was to keep the upper lead arm touching the chest on the takeaway and backswing. Precisely because keeping the lead arm away from the chest involves too many possible variations in how far away, and they all create a difference in the swing path. Maintaining that contact produces a reliable and consistent backswing and thus a more simple and reliable downswing, especially important when you are under pressure.
Spot on there John 👍🏻
Thanks!
Thanks so much for the very kind donation and support of the channel 👍🏻
Great video the best reviews and instruction on u tube.
Hi Seve, I'm not sure about instructional but I would agree on the product review side of things 😊👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut still the best in my book Jay! Tried the T350, 530i, both excellent same price but have Mizuno and Wilson Dynapwr forged to try.
In the players distance category the 530i shocked me very forgiving so how would the JPX pro or 245 stack up on forgiveness?
Many thanks Jay!
Already done the Pro 245 vs i530 and that's on my channel video list 👍🏻
Great and straightforward explanation 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻
I think I must have missed something. You said it is a single plain swing? Hogan's book Five Lessons The Modern Fundamentals of Golf shows the downswing plane to be different then the backswing (page 89 in my paperback book). Downswing shallower and tipped to the right. As I mentioned, maybe I missed something (happens all the time). Excellent video. Nice ball striking.
Ooh.. another question just came to mind..
How does this translate to your driver?
Thanks 👍
Same concept, stance and posture is different (wider base etc) but the premise of the swing is the same. Less moving parts 👍🏻
Thanks for this Jay. As I said on your community page, more coaching style videos about swing mechanics and/or short game tips would be great so I’m loving this content! I thought Hogan’s magic elbow started tucked in as well (something Pete Cowen also advocates). You don’t seem to do that so much although you are totally connected at the top. Is there a reason for that or am I misinterpreting?
Main reason George is due to my posture. I'm more bent from the hops so my arms hang vertically underneath my shoulders. Hogan's swing can used on soany setups. That's the beauty of its simplicity 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut makes perfect sense. I’ve been working on staying more connected with the trail elbow but finding that I’m now swinging 5 or 6 degrees from the inside and can’t easily get closer to zero. Fine when the club face is slightly closed eg 2 degrees but when I leave it open I get massive pushes to the right and big hooks if I close too much. Definitely work in progress!
Love the tight right elbow.
Wasn't Harvey Pennick's "magic move" getting the downswing with a left shift & clearance?
The bit I'm never sure on is the wrist as you finish the wind up. It's easy to fan as you come back. Hogan projected the back of the wrist out - but I seem to hook if I do that. So I try to stay pretty passive
Wrist positions very much are dictated go by initial grip position and what is neutral for the golfer in question. Biomechanics dictates that neutral is different for us all.
So depending on what your neutral grip is then the wrist conditions should follow that baseline. So one person's extension is another's flexion etc etc 👍🏻 key is to understand where you are outside of your baseline so that any changes you make or feel are done with the correct understanding of how that effects the club face 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I suspect I will be asking myself that for the rest of my golfing career 🙂
Thanks for this, I did notice the shallowness before. However, you didn't explain what was "magic" about Hogan's elbow? Or did I miss it?
It's his connection to the body. Much is taught nowadays about maximising width in the swing for maximum power, yet for most it just yeilds inconsistency especially as most golfers haven't got 8 hours a day everyday to practice.
Keeping the elbow connected through the whole swing into impact allows a simple swing back and rotation without adding extra arm movement into the timing of the shot 👍🏻
Saw that picture of Hogan and, without even seeing which UA-camr was posting, said to myself that's Jason from AskGolfNut!
Btw, do you have site/contact info for video coaching? I'm in U.S.
Thanks
Hi James. If you wanted to reach out via Instagram, I do most of my online coaching through there as it allows you to share screens etc for Coaching purposes 👍🏻
It's Jay, I haven't been called Jason since I was last told off by my mum when I was about 10 years old 🤣🤣
Great video Jay. I’ve often thought when watching you “gee, Jay stands a long way from the ball at address”. To me it seems like you’re really reaching for it when most coaches seem to suggest that the arms hang more vertically under the chin.
Firstly, do you agree with that observation? (Not a criticism - I actually love your swing, so compact and punchy).
But if so, is that a conscious thing you’ve done as part of the flatter single plane swing? Is it just a by-product of it? Or is it completely unrelated?
Cheers mate
Hi Cam, actually with irons my hands are underneath my shoulders and only into the woods does it slightly move away from vertical. It must just be the camera angle most of the time 👍🏻
Really the main thing with posture and stance is teaching a balanced but able to be dynamic. For instance if one was standing nice and tall but weight on their heels then there is little chance for dynamic motion as they're stuck in posture even though their stance is relatively decent.
Think of it as the receiving Tennis players stance ready to hit back the incoming serve 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut sorry Jay, I described it poorly. Your arms are actually quite close to vertical as you said. But that’s because you have a lot of bend from the waist. A lot of coaches suggest a one hand width from top of grip to belt buckle, but I would say that gap for you is much larger. Again not a criticism - but I’m interested to know: Is this a conscious decision you made? And if one was to adopt a flatter single plane swing, should it be accompanied by more bend from the waist and a wider gap between grip and belt buckle? Thanks
@cameronloveless1751 ah yes, that is absolutely true. Initially back in my early years I suffered from an over exaggerated early extension that caused issues with handle delivery so I evolved a more bent over Keegan Bradley or Matt Kutchar type of bend, and it stayed even as the swing progressed. Again it's just one side of the totally acceptable spectrum of what works.
I don't personally mind if some one comes in with either an Upright or bent over posture as long as their body can be dynamic and repeat the mechanics without fear of injury etc 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut early extension is something I fight big time, so I will try this. My strike miss is nearly always toe (and sometimes an inch off centre). Initially my mind was thinking “hmmm…extra bend might exacerbate that miss-strike” but I know it’s the “standing up” with high hands and swinging inside the line that causes the toe strike. So yeah, will take this on to the range next time and see how it goes. Cheers mate, hope the weather is starting to improve over there… we are starting to see more wet & wintery days 🥶 here in Melbourne 🇦🇺 after having our driest Feb/March ever recorded!
Shirt looks like you borrowed it out of Dr. Drakken and Shego’s closet. lol.
I’ve learned that for me the “Bryson” swing style works best for me. I am thinking about keeping everything as long and straight as possible and point the elbow at the target and it’s giving me the most consistent results.
I had to Google who Dr Drakken and Shego were 🤣🤣
@@AskGolfNutfrom an older American cartoon sorry 😂😂
@colecole4774 that's ok, Google helped me out 🤣👍🏻👍🏻
Umpteen different swings on tour, it’s just finding what works for the individual. Trouble is, teaching professionals often try imparting their swing on students. I use pros from different clubs and probably why my swing is so confused 😂
I guess thats where Coaching and Custom Fitting separate. Coaching is the individuals opinion on the direction to improvement. Ask 10 different coaches and you'll get a variety of different ways to the same destination. Custom Fitting in the other hand is very much so a science and so if done and measured correctly, asking the same 10 Custom Fitters and within a very small variance, they should all come up with the same answer.
Personally I've always taught simplicity and with the constrained practice time availability that most people have, trying to remove unnecessary moving parts has always yielded quicker and more consistent results. 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I’ve just tried your swing, which to my inexperienced eye looks like there’s an early wrist cock and with 5i down seems to work for me with repetitive results. Not so successful with the hybrid, but early days.
@midhc5072 it should just be a case of understanding low point for the hybrid. As the clubs get longer and the loft comes off the variance always increases. The main reason for having a much more connected swing it's more so to reduce the variance of the golfers unnecessary movements to allow a more consistent baseline 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I can spend a bit more time at the range tomorrow to practice it. Are you doing this swing with driver too?
@midhc5072 my swing is completely based on reduced unnecessary movement with every club. If anything with Driver, having the most simplistic swing possible is key to being as consistent as possible 👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Jay, I tried this way of swinging the club, and keeping the trail elbow connected to my side seems to lead to swinging the club too much inside in my backswing, and then I get stuck... which leads to weak high pushed or duck hooks. What am I doing wrong?
If your Wrists aren't pulling the club head to the inside then if must be Trail arm rotation..... Your trail elbow or side of tricep stays close to your trunk but your arm doesn't need to fan backwards.
Check your wrist positions and also watch what your trail arm wants to do that affects the direction of the club path on the way back 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut thanks for your kind help Jay, will give it a try!
Algo!
Thanks bud! Although again I think for my audience at least most don't care for Swing orientated content... Mine is an equipment junkies playground 😊
@AskGolfNut it's the audience you built. Question for you to decide is what audience do you want (beyond hardcore equipment junkies... haha!)
@neoinarien in all honestly I'm happy with the audience and if anything as it grows I'd like to round it a touch to be slightly more general. So I'll keep doing the odd bit like this 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut makes sense to me!
You have a great swing, the stance is interesting, more Moe Norman than Hogan, but you didn't mention that.
Everyone loves a solid base 😊 never felt comfortable with a narrower stance, I always want my weight between in soles of my feet so I can freely push off to transfer mass during transition. Never felt fully in control of my horizontal low point with a narrower stance 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Love it, and you certainly don't lack speed, super efficient swing, one of my favourites on YT Golf 👍
Love your channel and gear content, I’m far from qualified to be instructing but at 4:28 your demonstration of moving the golf club head I think is flawed, what you are doing is simply increasing your right elbow fold without applying forces to the handle, but the best strikers of the golf ball have both accuracy and power by eliminating right elbow fold when possible (wide backswing) and dumping the right elbow angle as soon as possible to keep to the golf swing as simple as possible and to strike it consistently. Great example of the right elbow would be Nelly Korda and Tiger Woods swing in recent years when he isn’t stuck
Anyways just food for thought should you head look into it, love your channel, love your content
But by keeping extension in the right elbow it causes disconnection between the arms and body. If you look at all top golfers and every good ball striker, their trail elbow is always tucked into their trail side (relatively speaking) at impact. All I do and Hogan is to get the trail side connection going as soon as the backswing starts.
I'm not saying for a moment that all other golfers are wrong, far from it, what I am saying is, that any move where body parts move at either different planes to the core and even body parts moving in 2 different planes to the core at different times, it means a greater requirement for timing and practice grinding the motion into a repeatable swing. 👍🏻
"the best strikers...dumping the right elbow angle as soon as possible". That's not what they are doing. If you do that you'd end up casting the club. Tiger's swing: ua-cam.com/video/RZ4ZWQgLSus/v-deo.html
Not sure where casting would come from.... But Tiger goes from separated to connected to just separated just before impact.
But the point is not in any way to say that Tiger and all that do things slightly differently is wrong, not at all and in any way. What I'm saying is with the connected, separated, connected and separated swing model, there is plenty of movements to time. Going connected nearly all the way through has much less moving parts for very very little drawbacks 👍🏻👍🏻
I agree with the connecting part and connecting the right elbow via tucking (external rotation, lateral move left and vertical drop back down), but the tuck can’t be done by increasing right elbow bend. Tiger even commented before on liking Max Homas cast from the top. AMG golf also has beautiful numerical demonstrations on what the right elbow has to do in the swing.
Anyways your ball striking is far better than me and almost everyone else so I’ll just agree to disagree, looking forward to more content from you!
The right elbow doesn't necessarily increase in flexion, but it's location from disconnected to connected creates an unnecessary move for amateur golfers that have very limited time to practice. The beauty with Hogans swing is that it simplistic and easier to learn and practice. There may be small power penalty due to the lack of width but as he and I with the help of GCQuad showed that a higher club head speed with this narrower connected swing is easily still possible 👍🏻👍🏻
Just spent a year trying to get my hands higher 😮🤪
For me there needs to be a tangible benefit to a swing change. Just moving the hands higher and separating them from your chest/should plane only serves to disconnect them from the body, so a drop or reconnection move is required in transition to get the grip into position. The wrist then need to behave to allow the club head path to be alongside or slightly under the grip/hand plane to not hit over the top fades.... Always have seemed to me to be overly complex, especially for most golfers that have very limited practice time 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I agree with you 100%
Had lost old swing at the time 😂
My driver is slipping back to old faithfull, work getting in the way of finding distance with irons. Getting there just not consistantly🙃
@petemajor4454 if we could only retire early and do the things we want and have all the time in the world to do them.... This working for a living will never catch on 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Talking of work, thought you are on hols🤣
@petemajor4454 I am, scheduled the video release while on holiday and trying to answer as many comments as possible when I have opportunity to 😊👍🏻
About twenty years ago Nicklaus was asked whether Tiger Woods was the best ball-striker he had seen. He said “Oh, no. Ben Hogan - easily.”
Something to strive towards 👍🏻
Hogan didn't have much of shoulder turn, but he lengthened his backswing with an extreme wrist-cock.
He was in a fair amount of extension in his wrist. People see lag angle or radial deviation, to get into the amount of bend he demonstrates, the wrist has to go into extension to.
Absolutely fine to do as long as the angle is removed before impact and otherwise it would cause an open face angle to path 👍🏻
@AskGolfNut The first time I saw your swing, it reminded me of Hogan's ... more specifically, the wristy thing you do at the top.
I have a short backswing (a la John Rahm) and tried extending my arc by doing the Hogan wrist thing, but it resulted in a loss of control.
@AndrewLane-pm2ro it's due to the shorter amount of time you have to remove the angle before impact. As my backswing is longer, I have more time to get the wrist angle back out again 👍🏻
@AskGolfNut Yes, a longer backswing allows more time to do everything ... including generating clubhead speed. 👍
John Rham's is freakish in that he can generate enormous power with an abnormally short backswing ... which means he's abnormally strong!
Thanks!
Hi Trey, just wanted to say thank you very much for your kind donation. It is always appreciated when people choose to support myself and the channel. Thanks again 👍
Thank You Jay!