UK murder documentary - double police shooting in kirkheaton - Huddersfield - 1951 - Alfred Moore
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2021
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Clifford meads kids John and Barry mead found a rusted gun in a boundary wall where they lived in 1958 (Stafford Hill) 7 years after the shooting and when they confronted there father he went pale and they were told to never mention it again otherwise it would cause a lot of trouble.
In certain circles the two were known to be partners in crime. Alfred Moore was a burglar who entered premises by stealth, while local police suspected Clifford Mead of being a receiver of stolen goods.
Clifford Mead was born in Huddersfield in 1920 and met his wife, Joyce, while in the RAF during the Second World War. He lived in Kirkheaton at the time of the police murders just half a mile away and moved to White Cottage in Cooper Bridge in 1958 or 1959.
After separating from his wife he died at Longwood Gate in 1998.
Mr Lawson, has spoken to several people who knew Clifford.
He said: “I have been told he was cruel, sadistic and very violent. He had possession of numerous firearms and often threatened to use them.”
A fascinating programme.
My husband was a child in Barnsley, just down the road from Kirkheaton, at the time of the murder and Alf Moore's hanging. He remembers it well and, like me, is utterly convinced that Alf was innocent. I know this happened way back in 1951 but, today, the evidence against Alf would not stand up in a court of law. It was as weak as urine.
Firstly, the police seemed to be out to "get" Alf Moore. They did not even pursue an alternative suspect, whether it be Clifford Mead or AN Other, and had to rely on unreliable evidence from Pat Moore and the statement of PC Jagger before he died. Now, I would suggest that anyone under the influence of morphine to alleviate pain is going to have hallucinations, is in no way lucid, and, as such, incoherent. Therefore, that evidence was totally unreliable as was manipulating a ten year old child into giving evidence against her own dad.
Secondly, the timings stated by police were out which leads me to agree with Bronwyn and Steve Lawson that the police made the crime fit the evidence.
Thirdly, I believe Alf's alibi - that he was in bed and which was backed by his wife - to be a solid one. It was a simple alibi but it was the truth. Alf did go out that evening with his brother and returned late but the timings could not have placed him at the scene of the crime. Further, there were footprints at the scene and, had they been taken, an innocent man might not have been hanged. Also, the two guns Alf kept in his tool box were mistaken for one another and that was proven and the gun that shot the two police officers was never found.
Alf Moore should never have been convicted, never mind hanged. May he and Bronwyn Rest in Peace.
Further, it was pitch black at the time and, yes, the police did have torches but how in a split second before the shots were fired did Jagger identify Alf? Alf was hauled into the ward where Jagger was being treated before he passed without any legal representation and there is no way Jagger, under the influence of morphine, could have known it was Alf. Any competent solicitor would have roasted the police alive in court over this, especially when a man's life was at stake.
I do think the judge should have reopened this case and I agree 100% with his daughter her father was wrongly convicted,I hope one day she will get the chance to prove her father was innocent......
What I find unusual is that a burglar would carry a gun if he went out to burgle. This is highly unusual, especially in the UK, burglars usually want to be in and out of the house quickly, and they are not usually physically aggressive.
Also hearing about his mild demeanour, it makes me think it wasn't him who shot the policemen.
I visited a friend in hospital a day or two after her hip replacement and she didn't remember it. Morphine, anaesthetic etc. My heart goes out to Bronwen
This man was innocent. There was too much conflicting evidence. The evidence of another man's son that his father killed the police. The eye witness said the man was wearing a white scarf that the defendant did not have and they never found. The gun was also never found and yet the defendant was found in bed. The gun would have been somewhere on the farm. The other thing is it was 2:30am and yet this policeman, who was shot and would have been very delirious, has said he saw quite clearly his killer. How could he, it was dark? There would have been a very small window of opportunity and officer was saying he clearly saw the defendant in a very dark night on a farm with no street lighting. Absurd. The dying policeman was told by his superiors to say that.
After all the police were staking the farm out because the man was a burglar. Which is not a crime he was committing that night. They were out to get this man because he had avoided arrest and prosecution and they would have fit him up for murder in a mili-second. The inspector had admitted he had it in for the defendant. The daughters of the defendant recognised the white scarf as belonging to the man who told his wife & son he committed the murder. Why was the son not interviewed? The gun might still exist today. Then the shells could be examined to see if the striations on shells collected at the scene fit the weapon. There was a lot of holes in their investigation of this case. It was amateurish.
The original investigation was tunnel visioned as they only wanted one perpetrator and that was the defendant. They did not even bother looking elsewhere. No gun, no white scarf, no gunshot residue on either the defendant's hands or clothing which there definitely would have been. The evidence from his brother that they had parted at a particular time was ignored. Here is the most damning evidence against him. The evidence of his own daughter. I think she was coached by the police. She would have remembered waking up when the whistles were going off but did she actually see her father coming home then? I think the police told her to say that because they said it would help her father. The British police at that time had a terrible reputation for fitting up people for murder. From this era to the 1990's there were some terrible misjustices. The same applied to Australian forces.
I wonder if PC Jagger had arrested Alfred before for his previous petty crimes in the past, before the shooting occurred?
Judge appears to be leaning.
It's as plain as a pikestaff what happened.
Disgusting to me.
And I pity her brave daughter.
Fight on.
The most terrible story I've ever heard. Poor man.
this is clearly an unsafe conviction and most likely would not even have made trial in a modern day court saying that the judge was right not to reopen the case as no new substantial evidence was put before him. i can not honestly say an innocent man was convicted but on the evidence that was presented in this documentary if i was on that jury i would have voted not guilty as there was just not enough evidence to send a man to his death.
Judge did his best to not reopen the case otherwise police has to pay millions God bless the innocent
This just shows that the UK justice system hasn't moved on from the 50's
Oh wow 😳😢😮
UK justice is revered worldwide, i think you need to re-write that ridiculous assumption !
I’m just going to throw this out there…. I don’t think the British justice system is the envy of the world… just saying
The medic they spoke to confirmed that the dying police officer COULD NOT have been lucid enough for his identification to be reliable, due to the morphine etc, and yet this was just swept aside!
Also, they weren't allowed to mention this other individual who matched the description given - which the convicted man DIDN'T, by the way - and so all in all I do not feel that his poor daughter has got justice in this at all. May God give her peace.
She sadly passed
She never got justice so now we are taking over to get justice on her behalf he wasn't given a fair trial and he deserves closure and so do we as a family
@@Shannonmulhall31 Tragic. Thanks for the update.
@@Shannonmulhall31 i say move on and let them rest
@@charlieminaj2 he is my great grandfather alfred moore is innocent and as his family I belive he should be known he didn't do it
This is why the death penalty is a bad thing
Since some of these cases are wrong just think of the blunders continuing up until DNA evidence made outcomes an absolute certainty (but is it really so infallible?). Would the death penalty eventually be reinstated now that DNA is being used to convict? Think not, society has become too soft at this point unless the crime is over the top way too heinous then people might see clear to be convinced.
The names of places in the UK are so hilarious 🤑😂
As soon as he said " British justice is the envy of the world" I stopped watching.....don't make me laugh.
Me, too. The police work very hard, but the courts drop the ball in sentencing every time. Life should be life.
What a poor review of new evidence.
Dateline is better!
So he was executed on the EXACT day Queen Elizabeth II became Queen. Why didn’t she do anything?
There was a quaint British convention under which executions were stopped and sentence commuted if scheduled to take place on the day the sovereign died. Alfred Moore was doubly unfortunate: still protesting his innocence he was on the scaffold an hour before the death of King George VI was announced.
Perhaps...aw never mind over day head.
Alf was hanged just over an hour before the death of King George VI was announced. It is an antiquated custom. Last year, we all knew HM The Queen was dead before the official announcement.
British justice system the biggest joke in the world more like!
Agreed, raised my eyebrows when he said that.
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 me and you the next Sherlock Holmes lol
America's is any better, both not even Common law but Admiralty law.
The main problems are juries and opinionated, rather than Las driven, judges. Juries are made up of people who know little jr nothing of the law. They usually have limited life experience and are prone to emotive decisions. Some judges are prone to the same emotive devices as the juries. I once heard a judge talk to a pretty young girl in an almost purring fashion and basically voided the Cass against her in that moment. It was obvious he had a hard on.
Bloody hell I thought the guy with the big ears was dobby from Harry Potter lol.
He was a convicted burglar ,move on
No he wasmt
Yes he was ,a
@@wozzi71 are you his family? No? Thought so he wasn't convicted he was forced
Bullshit he was a lowlife
@@wozzi71 that's my great grandfather no he wasnt
I knew within 1 minute of this show that the guy was guilty, the dying cop identified him, so DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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