Rivian R1T / R1S Wheel and Tire Discussion
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2021
- Should you configure your Rivian R1T / R1S with 20's, 21's, or 22's? We have Bruce on again, who's driven the R1T in all conditions, to let us know his thoughts.
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Dang, I'm always impressed with the dude in the upper right. Solid takes!
Hey Skyler Are you going to let your wife post about the guy in the upper right?
My wife keeps asking me which one of those guys is single? I keep telling her “none of them they’re all married with kids”. Too bad she says.
@@rogergliedt7095 I am very confident my wife would ignore him. Sounds like your wife has excellent taste though!
@@rogergliedt7095 Hahaha
Loving all this content!
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If you don’t do off road stuff, stick with the 21s. You safe 2K, have the good looks still, and get the 315 miles the truck/suv is rated. The 20s according to Rivian will reduce range by 10-15% according to their own tests. So you are looking around 275 miles of range.
Another Great Video!
Thanks Kenny!
I'm with you guys about the tire choice. You will hear people say that unless you're a hardcore off-roader, you don't need anything special. But I have blown out all season tires on back country service roads that didn't feel like much at all. Just takes one wrong rock. I'm going with the 20" ATs. Plus, I think they look incredible.
Great work as always guys! I’m really curious to see the MPGe impact of the 20/21/22 wheels will be. I know Tesla shows the impact in their configurator online which would be super useful.
I think these numbers are coming, just still in testing.
Us too! I'd be fine with EPA range for the 21s, & estimated impact for the 20s & 22s.
I am buying in Canada and have always ran an all season tire like this AT thru the Rockies in winter conditions on an AWD and never had a set of winter tires. No issues whatsoever
The ATs are 3PMSF rated for snow traction performance.
Guys another issue is that many mountain passes require winter tires. The AT tires have the triple peak logo that are acceptable as mountain pass tires
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Yep, just replied to your other comment. The acronym is 3PMSF.
With that said, I might have dedicated actual snow tires if I lived up north! And you can get true snow tires for the 20" wheel...
Not sure about where you live, but around here those "winter tire" laws are so watered down that any all season qualifies, just has to have M+S written on it, and I have yet to see anything short of a summer performance tire that doesn't have that.
That said, Mine will wear Hakkapeliittas from October to May every year, There's a HUGE difference between an AT tire and a true winter tire, and where I live, you want the best winter tire out there. The AT tires can cover June to September.
@@skylerwilliams I have driven under all winterconditions in snow storms, deep snow all my life. The 3PMSF. tires I currently have on my 2008 Honda Ridgeline AWD are not A/T tires and perform great in all these conditions through the Rockies. I carry a set of chains for additional safety and have never had to use them. The added expense, storage and change over of dedicated winter tires based on my experience and my opinion is unjustified and promoted for profit by the tire industry. Enough from me LOL! This video has convinced me to choose the 20 A/T over the 22 until I see data that shows a substantial range increase with the 22's. All other Rivian customers will know that they are legal in winter coditions with these one set of tires.
Hey RS team! Thanks for the content re the wheels/tires. Has anyone driven or compared the 20's vs 22's? Id like to get some info on the nuances. Handling, ride, sound, etc. Also a little insight on how wheel selection affects build date (supply vs demand). I originally ordered my R1T with the 20's and I am now considering the 22's if they will give me more mileage and offer a more serene experience. I live in VT but drive mostly on moderately crappy asphalt. I will likely look for a set of 20's in the aftermarket for snow tires. The 21's are just too much of an oddball size for me to consider them.
Even 20's is pretty big for off-road. In terrain you want a big tyre on low pressure.
20's are nicely balanced on this car though. 22 looks odd with the too low profile tyres.
I'm not planning to do serious rock crawlking in the Rivian, so 20s should be fin in moderate off road situations.
I am curious if 17s or 18s will fit around the production brakes though...
My main concern is mud-I navigate miles of trails on my land, which is part of a State forestry program. I cross many muddy spots and swamp edges (currently using a custom, lifted Jeep running 37 mud terrain tires (R17). I’m not clear whether Rivian supports the use of alternative tread tires on their rims or how this would affect performance.
Would the reduced range change any of the selections you talked about in this video? I think this video came out before the official range numbers for Rivian in relation to each wheel selection. Thanks guys
You're correct, I wasn't expecting a 10-15% hit on range with the 20's. I wavered for a few weeks. But after driving the 20" AT's both on the track and off road in Normal...I gotta have them. Hoping they are being extra conservative with the range hit and that it's more towards 10%!
I went with 22" not going to take my $80k R1S off-road.... I think the 22's look nice on the R1S plus streets are nice here in AZ
Fair enough Ty! I like the looks of the 22's as well. They def change the character of the R1S and pair well with certain colors. Example: I like the 22's with El Cap, but the 20's with Launch Green.
22 will ride rougher on the roads, yes, more responsive due to the size, but you will be moving your steering wheel more If you are not going off road and put some Michelin's after the Pirellis wear out , you will have a way smoother ride and less change of wheel damage, curb rash. You just have more rubber between the road and your wheels. I have had a few Suburbans, Hummer and a Navigator, (with seven bad disc, six knee operations, have sought smoother riding vehicles the last 10 years). Though the auto companies always want to upgrade you to the largest wheel, go drive both, you will feel the smoothness. Going with the Rivian SUV myself, probably won't be off road unless I am lost, I need the room, dislike using roof racks, and some towing capability, The Navigator has an air suspension also, Suburbans or Hummer did not. Navigator smoothest ride of anything. If not for progressing, would go with a another one of those. Never stuck in snow once and I live in Colorado.
With Tesla MS it was said that smaller rims (19") gives more range than larger rims (20"). Is this true for Rivian as well? If so, I hope Rivian will change for the most efficient tires as standard as well. (Unfortunately there currently only are all terrain tires available with 20")
Smaller wheel would be more efficient if the tires were the same diameter & style. The Rivian 20s are an inch larger that the 21/22s, and have a less efficient all terrain tread pattern.
Lots of options for all weather 20’s that should give great range.
I'm confused, looks like on the website when you click on the 22-inch wheels it brings the R1S lower, this is counterintuitive, I would think a larger wheel raises it higher off the ground. Someone please explain, TIA.
There's more rubber on the 20" ATS...so over all they're a bigger wheel even though they have 20" rims as opposed to 22" rims. here's a link for you that shows the exact dimension difference: rivianstories.com/members/shultzy/activity/5941/
Got it, thanks!
This would be my first pickup truck and I am planning to use it 95% on paved roads. What would be the benefit of having a 20 inch all terrain vs the standard 21 inch road tires that comes standard? Thanks
I’m pretty much in the same boat, but with an R1S. Interested in what thoughts are on the 21” road tires. 🤔
21 will be more efficient, but I would NEVER choose that option due to the rare wheel size & 100% unique tire size (only Rivian). This means that replacement tires will be few & far between.
I recommend 20s because it will perform on road & off, AND there are 20+ available replacement tire options in the same OEM size for any use case (AS, AT, snow, etc).
@@skylerwilliams thank you for the detailed answer.....I was originally going to choose the 21" just to save some money since I would not be going off road.....but it sounds like that strategy may be penny wise pound foolish. We also may be moving to NC, so snow and ice handling may come into play....from what you are saying, the 20" would be better for snow/ice also. I am a bit surprised that Rivian did not make the AT tires standard. Going back and looking at all the testing they did, it seems to be exclusively with the AT. I want to thank you guys for discussing this....I am getting close to ordering so this was super helpful.
@@sharilove6222 my pleasure, Shari. Good luck with the potential move, and enjoy that Rivian!
Skyler thanks for the tremendous answers here.
does having the 20's increase the amount of clearance under the vehicle?
By right around an inch. The tires on both the 21" and 22" rims are 33" tall while the 20" rims are wrapped in a 34" tall tire.
By .5"...tires for the 20" wheel are an inch taller (diameter), but clearance is only increased by the radius.
Still missing thoughts about the real life colours vs configurator colours.
They've talked about updating the configurator...plus most ppl will get to see them before they finalize their order.
Oh, don't get us started! And not to mention, I'm currently configured for Limestone and there has been ZERO real world pics of it...
How would the 20in AT work as snow tires in Minnesota?
The 20s are the only Rivian OEM tires that have an official snow rating (3PMSF). However, they are ATs with 3 PMSF, not a true snow tire.
With that said, there are true snow tires available in the OEM size for 20s. If I had to deal with snow, the 20s would be non-negotiable.
Great work Skyler, thank you
@@skylerwilliams thanks...I think you just answered my question that I posted.
@@skylerwilliams There's also no reason why your winter tires and summer tires have to be on the same size rims (likely not anyway?) So you could use 22s in the summer and 20s with winter tires for the winter.
@@Green__one very true!
Which tires will give the best range? Smoothest ride on the highway?
Rivian says that the 21s will give the best range. Theoretically, the tallest sidewall would have the best ride, which would be the 20s.
@@skylerwilliams Dilemma. I would like the longest range, however if the 21s are a rare, special order size, that will be an issue if we ever catch a nail on a road trip. Or, when replacing tires. They are sure to be expensive. On the other hand, going with the 21s on initial purchase saves $1800 over the 20s (BTW, why such a price difference?)
@@Team_Trade_Down I'm a Launch Edition, so the 20s are included at no charge for me, which makes it an absolute no brainer. The 20s are also forged wheels, which are lighter & stronger than the flow formed 21/22s, and forged wheels are EXPENSIVE aftermarket. $1800 just for the 20" wheels is actually a solid deal.
I have a hypothesis that stepping down to a slightly smaller 20" All Season tire (275/60 R20), which is a similar tire size to the 21/22s, will rival or beat the efficiency of the 21s. That will have to be tested & proven, but smaller wheels typically yield better efficiency.
So what is the reason for the 21 tires as being the included option when #1 - they are a custom or more rare tire size, #2 they have hardly presented themselves on any real Rivian’s yet, #3 - folks such as yourselves would shy away from them? Was the 21 purely for promoting a 300 mile range ?? I am so confused and torn about the 21s when everyone recommending the 20s
Yep Range ! I am getting my Rivian sooner cause that was what was available and I like the max range. 40 miles less is huge for lots of people.
No talk about the 21s? they're the default and cheapest option. My decision has always been between the 20s and 21s, I've never even considered the 22s. As much as I love the look of the 20s in the configurator (though I don't know in the real world if it will be that noticeable?) I have to realistically think that although I do gravel, and lousy roads, I don't really do any hardcore off-roading so it's hard to justify, especially given there's a range hit. The really big question that would likely settle a lot of this discussion though is if Rivian would release how much of a range difference it is. so far all we get is "Size will impact range and acceleration" sure, we all know that, but how much?
If I had to venture a guess, the range hit will be somewhere around 2-3%...maybe less, purely a guess.
@@JimmyfromRivianStories I seem to think that with the Model S the range hit is more substantial than that. It was one of the reasons I went to 19" from 21"
We’ll add the 21s into a future discussion. Many shy away from them simply due to the odd size and thus limited options for 3rd party tire replacements. I think range hit will be less than 15 miles for the large pack (300). 🤞🤞
@@RivianStories Tesla claims 3% range hit going from 20" to 22" on Model X (note that the 22" wheels have worse range, not better), and that's without going to a knobier tire. I also seem to recall someone else at one point doing some real math to show that it was actually significantly more than the advertised 3% difference.
Realistically, I think the 21s will likely get better range than the 22s unless the tires themselves are significantly different. The 20s are a wildcard, theoretically the smaller wheels would be better range, and better acceleration, however the more aggressive tires would mean the opposite on both counts.
What I am hearing is 40 mile range hit but I don't know which AT tire they are referring to. I do know Rivian is producing a lot of vehicles with the 21" road tires. Now for look of the rims. Not the greatest for any of them. I have seen the road rims powder coated black and think they may be best looking of them all.
Way better with the 20s. I kinda hate the fact that it sounds like a plug in prius when crawling though
According to Tire Rack, 21-22's have a lot more options than 20's. Not sure why but yea
20”s look better and are forged
I think I recognize that profile pic, you assassin! Are you on the RS site yet?
20's are too big, they need the option for as small as 17's. Big wheels are ugly, get curb rashed, and don't do great offroad.
Dudes, get some product!
I think our hairs looks great! 😆