Rivian R1T Wheel Consumption Test! 20" All-Terrain vs 21" Road vs 22" Sport
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2022
- Kyle, Branden, and Aaron head out in 3 Rivian R1T electric pickup trucks to test the consumption of 3 wheel and tire packages on offer from Rivian. They compare the 20" all-terrain wheel against the 21" road wheel and the 22" sport wheel and tire combo. Watch the video to find out how it all played out!
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Haven't watched all of it yet just commenting asap... Please race them! Let's get those 0-60 differences too!
This!
Agreed, we need to see this
I agree
I'd like to see a 4th option: 20 inch wheels with road tires.
The issue I have is the "wheels" aren't really on-road/off-road. It's the tires that are on-road/off-road. So why not put road friendly treads on the 20s?
I'd venture to say it's mostly the rolling resistance of the all-terrain tread that causes the 20s to be less efficient rather than the size or aero of the wheel itself.
I think same and i bet at 20" on-road tyres is best of all. If there is possible fit 19" it will be best?
@@pmkgamingtv Pro tip : Before you put smaller rims you really need to check the brakes +rotors clearance .. ;0)
@@poplaurentiu4148 is this all you can comment? Lol
@@davidwalker72 LOL.. what is wrong about what i did say ? practical tips are always welcome for those in need.. this guy above want 19 inch size which is less than the factory size wheels specs..
Smaller wheels with road tires WILL be best for range. It’s too bad they don’t spec that from the factory
I think the little thumbnail at 25:30 is all that was really needed to understand the difference in wheels and efficiency, but I guess that doesn't make for good UA-cam content. Appreciate posting the results in the pinned comment for that exact reason.
really, going with the 20" is the best choice as it gives you a LOT more tires to choose from. It would be interesting to see what the 20" wheels will do with a nice set of road tires on it.
Pro tip : Before you put smaller rims you need to check the brakes +rotors clearance .. ;0)
@@poplaurentiu4148 extra credit "pro" tip, "rim" doesn't equal wheel, extra extra credit 20" wheel is a FACTORY option.
@@davidwalker72 Is a good advice.. many people do not check anything they just want they car to look different.. the problem is all vehicles should have the sizes mentioned in the papers.. The one below wanted to put 19 inch size on Rivian.. Usually when a brand make a vehicle they need to homologate the vehicle to be eligible for public streets and the end results specs should be mentioned after intensive tests in vehicle papers (including user manual), of course different sizes will affect all the vehicle values mentioned in the vehicle papers (sound -noise level, braking distance, energy consumption all performance values acceleration time 0-60 etc..) but i'm in Europe in some cases in US market things are way different people are allow to modify they'r cars how they want some put way too big rims & tires on vehicles to look like Donkey-kong or way too low rims & tires for that category of vehicles resulting Low-riders, others put small in front & big in the back resulting dragsters, hot rods or whatever.. in Europe all vehicles on the road must pass an annual inspection (TUV in Germany or ADAC Test, MoT in UK) and if they fail they can not be allowed on roads if police catch u they can confiscate the car papers & number plates, they can add a hefty fine-taxation, they can void the vehicle inspection and insurance in which case the vehicle can be confiscated by police.. usually those that fail are mostly because of weird modifications or different rims/wheels -sizes than those that are mentioned in car papers from the factory.. what is more to talk about ? well if they really want so badly a different rim-size they should re-homologate the vehicle with those sizes before mount them and risk getting caught from police..
Guys - thanks for doing this efficiency test. I’ve been going back and forth between the 20s and 22s - for looks mostly and was always curious about the real world efficiency comparisons. I’ve been spec’d for the 22s for many months now and after this test I think I’ll stay 22s. I live in PA and will be on the road 97% of the time. Well done on the test.
Like many other posts here, the tire selection has been a big challenge for me. This helps me solidify my choice to the 22" sport, which i changed to today...I don't think it will be much of an issue in the occasional Seattle area snowstorms, and I really don't go off-roading much, which was my reason for the 20's. The 4% hit to performance is not an issue for me. Thanks for doing this comparison, Kyle and friends.
Picking up my Limestone R1T next Friday with 22" Sport Dark wheels. I went back and forth on whether or not to take the range hit...but this clinches it! Thank you for making this video!
I have 21 inch road tires my R1T. I m in a rural area. A trip into town and back is 40 miles, mixed speed limits up to 50 mph. I achieved an efficiency of 3.13 mi/kWH conserve mode. This truck was delivered 4 weeks ago, love it!
EXACTLY what we were looking for!! Thank you!!!
Very timely Kyle. Thanks!
Kyle, great test….about what I expected. Thank you.
Guys, great video...thank you for the comparison...extremely helpful...I have been debating over the 22 versus the 21 and with the variance of an estimated 30 miles over range...I believe I will be going with the 21 inch...
Great Video! Great Stats, good work Branden and Aaron.
Well done. i went with the 221" because I'll likely be on the highway more & the efficiency is important to me. Nice comparison.
Cool video. Now do 21” road with aero covers in vs out. The 21’s actually look decent with them out and it saves you $2500 over the other wheel options, but how much range is lost?
Amazing video. Loved the comparison.
Great comparison! I went for the 20”AT because I liked the look of the rims and tires, there were more tire options at that size. I Also knew I was sacrificing efficiency but I was hoping to get some cool aftermarket rims and “street” tires in a year or two when the aftermarket catches up.
Fantastic video guys!
I rarely make comments, but I have to for this video. You specifically make this video for me or someone like me. It has been a headache choosing the right wheel size for my Rivian. Thank you so much, I really appreciate this video.
Wel what tire did you end up choosing and why??
Been waiting for this video! Thanks fellas! Think it helped me decide to stick with the 21’s. Especially since Kyle said he’s taken the 22’s off road. Feel like the 21’s will hit the sweet spot. Seen them in person and they still are pretty aggressive looking. Not quite 20’s, but still a substantial looking wheel.
I've also been sticking with the 21s. Like you said, it's a happy medium, plus I'm counting on that more tire options will appear in the near future.
Fantastic video, keep up the good work!
Love your work guys.
Great video guys! I have the 21's and couldn't be happier. I think the 21" wheels are VERY handsome after you take the aero covers off. I have 5000 miles on my R1T and am averaging 2.51 mi/kWh so the efficiency is even better than you saw. I'm not worried about replacement choices. I have no doubt there will be several choices on the market by the time mine need replacing.
What’s the efficiency difference bw having the covers on vs. off?
@@jakes5530
Sorry Jake, I removed the aero covers the first day so I don’t have a comparison….
As many have noted, 20" all-seasons have to be the fuel-efficiency kings.
Really love experiments like this. Looking forward to a test of different driving modes with same tires. I’ve got 20AT black and am in Denver if you needs another truck and driver.
I chose 20” black wheels because I like to go camping and very light off roading, and honestly they look great. Don’t really mind only getting 280mi stated range. Haven’t really tested it yet.
is that with the Large pack at 100% charge? Im on the fence. I do an average of 70 miles for work and school a day but I also do off roading and camping. Just wanna know if its even worth getting the max pack or not
Fun video, bud! Appreciate the work.
Just an FYI on tires. I have family that works for Michelin and they are in development with Rivian for replacement market tires targeting the 20" and 21" with a Defender LTX based ev tire with 116 load rating. They'll likely be available sometime in 2023.
I’m new to driving a truck. Any chance Michelin would create something like the crossclimate all weather tires for the 21”? I need something all year round.
@@Wasabi9111 I run the crossclimate 2 on my 05 audi allroad, great all around tire, grips almost like an a/t. No clue on a similar tire for the Rivian though. Not official but I'd be willing to bet Michelin is also developing an ev tire based on the K02
Please ask them to make a pilot sport tire for the 21s. The grip on the oem tires is horrible!
Don't get my hopes up!
@@bossturbo If you had to order again, would you change your wheel/tire combo to another option like the 22 or 20?
My thought is buy the 20s as the 21s will start to get swapped out and sold second hand pretty soon. Pick up some second hand 21s for daily and keep your 20s for off road.
Both All-Season options are very light weight for those wheel sizes and overall diameter. My Scorpion ATRs in a 29" diameter on a 16" wheel weigh the same(non-oem spec tire). The Rivian options are 33" diameter.
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This is great info. Nice thinking of it!
Kyle, thank you for this video. I have been questioning this in my head for months. Can you also test the effect of driving with the tanno cover open and closed?
I'd be curious how well the 22" could do with a different tire, particularly either the Michelin Defender LTX or Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3.. both of which have a much higher wear rating than the OEM 22" tires.
Great work but I wish the 20 had all season road tires
Hey Kyle, long time watcher so thank you for the loads of hours of content. I'm curious about the efficiency difference between a MSP with 19s and MSP with 21s. I have a MSP with 21s and I know you have yours with 19s (well 20s with the martian wheels) but if you ever want to run a test like this with 21s vs 20s vs 19s or something similar then let me know! I am in the northern Denver area!
Who knew - Prius doesn't have knobby tires! Great test data!
Great video! see you rocking that new Apple Watch Ultra!
I would go with whatever gave me the largest sidewall, which provides me with tire options. So 20” AT would be my choice. Besides, If I decide to change my mind, I can always wrap those 20” with road tires and likely gain mucho range.
This video is wheely wheely good!
One thing I’ve been dying to know is IF there is a difference between the standard 20” wheels and the bright 20”. Some have hypothesized that the wheel design of the bright 20s looks more aerodynamic and that this might offer a slight advantage in range among the 20” wheel options.
Id like to see comparison of them in the snow
I would love to see you compare the driving dynamics with the different tires. Corner carving, ride on freeways, bumpy side streets maybe even some offroad.
I have the 21” and recently got 325+ ( maybe more) miles on a road trip at conservatively flat driving at 70mpg with tabs in. It wasn’t carefully calculated but may have been more. I thought I was a mistake.
Would be cool to see this same range test with the R1S.
I wonder how the 20" AT Brights would perform w/its "flatter" surface that's most comparable to the 21" aero covers. Yes, tires will have the biggest impact, just curious!
Would the in-town be close to the same or would the stop/start be worse for the heavier tires on the 20"s? Thinking highway vs. stop/start driving. BTW, awesome test been looking for this...leaning towards 22's!
Hi, I want someone do the test on 20’s with road tires to figure out if they increase the range.
I will likely purchase an R1S that I’ve had on order and not do off roading. I like the 22s for the sporty look. How do these handle in the snow?
Holy crap, the OEM A/Ts are $400 each! That's insane. 51psi max inflation pressure. What does Rivian suggest for inflation pressure?
love it, the Rivian road :)
Do all three trucks have the same battery pack? I know that the max pack has different chemistry. I would also be super interested to see the range test with the wheel covers alongside one with the same tires without the wheel covers to see what the efficiency gain is with the wheel covers. Great job guys! Love it!
Can you do the same test on an R1S?
Would also be curious to see the same drive, two vehicles on 21" Road WITH the efficiency covers, and without. Curious what the efficiency difference is with the covers.
Whe white truck has a slight advantage reflecting more sunlight keeping temps cooler :P
i'm really curious how your 22' will do in the colorado winter Kyle. I want to get the 22 but live in Canada, so might have to settle for the 20s unless I see some favorable traction in the snow from people like you
I think we all somewhat knew what to expect based on what Rivian has said about wheel range impacts, but I’m glad we were able to validate their claims in the real world, side by side with 3 trucks.
hey Branden, I'm waiting for my R1T here in NC. did you notice much difference in ride quality between the sizes? The efficiency between the 21 and 22 was close enough for me, but I'm wondering if there are other things that could swing my vote. thanks!
@@danbulgarelli6544 I haven’t driven with the 21s, but there isn’t a ton of difference between 20s and 22s.
48psi is E-rating territory. I know these things are in the 7200lb range, but are any of those tires rated for pressures above 65psi?
Kyle, did you and the group ever get to test the 21" with and without aero covers as a update comparison for the range on the Rivian?
Please do a video on the 21s without the aero covers!
i like the 21” without aero covers! what’s that range
I wish Rivian would offer wheel packages for sale for those that change out for camping trips, etc.
Unfortunately there’s not a 22” tire aside from the stock Pirelli that meets the load and speed rating recommended
Regretting my choice of the 21s. Not enough grip during spirited driving to make up for the slight bump in efficiency vs 22s.
Not every tire is going to be best in terms of footprint or rolling resistance at the same air pressure, and they certainly are not going to be the same. I'd never run an A/T with a taller sidewall at the same psi as a lower profile all-season, but that can even depend on the specific model of tire.
How is the ride quality 21 v 20? Are the AT tires rougher?
If seeking the maximum range for overland trips with no charging at all possible in the middle of the trip what is the best choice ? I recently did a >250 mile multi day overland trip, the Black Rock Desert/High Rock Canyon in Northern Nevada. I'm concerned that I could not repeat that trip with the R1T. Could the 21" wheel, since you said they worked fine off pavement be the best choice?
Big Facts. Always Go Bigger Rim. When Available. 300 miles, 280 miles. Same thing.
Well I guess I would get the 21 which are the most efficient ones. No questions. I like them just the way they come.
which ones handle best? I assume 21's should have same handling compared to the 22 but more comfy with a extra inch of rubber
Damn, the Sport 22" tire is $450 each. 50psi max. Almost 9" tread width. 37lbs, same weight as the Verde.
How about a range test of the 21’s with and without the aero covers?
Great job guys! Love your videos! A question for you Kyle, over here in Montreal, we have no choice but to go with a second set of wheels and winter tires. Will Rivian allow us to order a second set or do we need to source an after market set elsewhere? I would also want a more aggressive 20 in set with burlier winter tires. Any suggestions? Thanks!
second set now available via Rivian
How about aero covers off on the 21”?
You missed my 20 darks with AT. I think that they are better than the 20" you have in this test, since they are pretty flush on the front....
Would the 20” all season be better efficiency wise?
How did you plug in your radar detector? I have both a Rivian and the Uniden R7 but saw your power cord going up into the rear view mirror somewhere?
Now they just need to upgrade the Rivian with a NACS port.
I’m sure aftermarket will put out 19 or 18 inch soon enough caliper clearance being the issue not sure how much room their is
I just bought the Rivian and I have the Pirille Scorpion Verde 21" All Season Tires. We live in Colorado and have a second home in the mountains. In your opinion how well will this tire do in the snow on an electric vehicle with the weight. I watched the video on the Rivian you did in the snow but was so confused on what setting was good for snow by the time he was done not sure what is the best setting when driving in snow. I am a native to Colorado and have driven in allot of snow but this is a new beast. Any suggestions would be great.
How’s the Apple Watch ultra?
I wonder if rivian or someone will ever make a extra battery that fits in the back of the r1t
If only people driving gas and diesel trucks were as aware of effects tire choice and driving habits have on mpg.
They know, they just dont care.
@@stang393 Bummer. They also seem to be the people who complain the most about fuel prices.
@@craig8638 when you get used to $2/gal, $5 is complaint worthy. And its not so much the price, its the principle of why prices went up. Very avoidable.
@@stang393 even on an EV where you don't have power and and gearing efficiencies to deal with we had only about a 10% difference here, sure, not plus size M/Ts or anything, but in terms of dollars and range in gas it's not even worth noting when it's a trade-off and a buyer choice. The price from 2 to 5 per gallon is a 150% increase and is substantial in dollars and affects you no matter what tire you are on.
@@tazeat yes but we get back to the main advantage of gas, 5 min fillups. When you calculate in the price difference of a gas truck to ev, it would take many years for you to get a ROI from no gas, becuase of the premium the Ev trucks are pulling. Once you can get a lightning for $40k then we have a real competitor.
I keep my SnapPlate case with security screwdriver in the frunk. ;)
Do all the trucks have the underbody shield?
how much better handling is 22 than 20's when tossing it around?
Real world range 120 miles on the highway?
Is this correct?
Kyle's remake of the Italian job.....No minis... no gold ...No traffic jams in Turin.
You took great care to equalize variables except for putting the aero covers on the 21”. Many of us who have the 21” remove the covers and want to know the difference. Note that Michelin now offers a 21” Defender M&S.
What I'd really like to see is the delta between 21" *with* wheel covers and 21" *without* wheel covers.... Like so many others, my 21" covers came off and went on the shelf day one and haven't seen the light of day since. How much impact do they have?
Read on reddit that it's about 10mi
The AT tires are about 1" taller. I wonder how it would affect efficiency if they were replaced with a 275/60R20 that is a similar diameter to the other 2?
Does anyone know the actual range of the Rivian R1 S with all-terrain package 20 inch tires and the dual motor longest battery? I know they don’t have the max pack yet.
Is there a ride quality difference between the tires?
I want one, i want to get the All terrain package and a matte ppf
I would just go for the 21s.
Is Jordan okay? Where is he :o
21 Aero covers off vs. 22 ❤
Kyle, do you have interest in doing a Rivian off-roading capabilities review? If so, I recently did an off road class in my Rivian…and the lead instructor has family near Fort Collins and would be willing to be your off-roading expert for a off road test ride.
Many will remove their 21 caps for look. I wonder 21 without cap will be same or worse than 22.
I got the 20" wheels and I have no ragrets