The Budoukai Sells Its Soul - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Majin Boo Arc Part 4!
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2020
- In a complete break from reality, Dragon Ball Dissection examines how a narcissistic conman bends the world to his will, while those in the know look the other way for their own personal benefit. It's funny because he hits his head on the ground. Also, Goku returns, cementing Gohan's status as third banana. And Piccolo makes some really questionable decisions.
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• The Majin Boo Arc Part... - Розваги
As you may or may not know, the powers that be have taken issue with my using Dragon Ball music in the opening. I suppose that's certainly their right. As a result, I have made the difficult choice to replace the opening music in most of The Boo Arc videos with a new, UA-cam-friendly piece. I hope you like it. As a compromise, I have retained the original music in a few select Boo Arc videos scattered across the arc. For those who miss the original, follow this link to the opening as I uploaded it in 2020. Thanks so much for your support!
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Trunks: Eh, he doesn't look as good as my dad.
Vegeta (internal): Yes, I trained him right.
"My baby boy"
And you were actually there. Unlike Future Vegeta who spent Future Trunks‘s childhood being dead.
@@PrimeroJinJusuke I mean he didn't really have a choice.
@@Shard476 It's a joke.
I always loved how the punch machine gag encapsulated each character's personality.
Android 18 doesn't give a shit so of course she won't hold back.
Krillin's gonna abide by Gohan's wishes but still wants to get a good score for his pride.
Piccolo detests the very idea of this but he's gonna be a good sport and *try* to cooperate.
Goku has no problem holding back whatsoever and is so casual and easy-going about it he gets a lower score than even Krillin.
And Vegeta, being the anti-social downer, just says the hell with the whole thing and destroys it.
> Sells its soul
> Mr. Satan
Nice
LOL! They literally sold they're soul to the devil.
@Dojo32161
Nice to know I'm not the only one who picked up on that.
I always took the announcer saying "ahaha my good buddy piccolo" as more of a "please don't murder me on the spot thank you" kinda thing and less of a lack of memory. But it could also be because he saw him at the Cell Games.
The Piccolo thing is so stupid that it's legitimately kinda funny.
Toriyama must've done it on purpose
@@mechajay3358 Which he tends to do, I've noticed. lol
I really hope Piccolo internally was like "lmao Imma call myself Majunior and scare some people" but then no one realizes who he is and he's really let down by it
@@chrismic8087 Trying to make the tournament more interesting, maybe. And then he was internally shocked by how dumb people in his world actually are. Even worse than he expected.
Giving toriyama a bit to much credit chris.
I've seen people note that goku gets the lowest score on the punch machine indicating his control over his strength
To be fair, seven years ago, he specifically trained in a way to maintain his SSJ form for 24 hours a day and using the form on a daily life basis, so he was already ahead in the whole self-control game.
@@PrimeroJinJusuke its just an interesting touch. Like if they were subtly trying to compete with how lightly they can hit the bag and still qualify
I think it's more about trying to make his son happy by doing what he wants, while the others don't care that much
@@federicoarmada8775 but everyone except vegeta tried to hold back
@@benjaminpeters6729 I mean, both reasons are correct
Oh but you forgot something, Piccolo is wearing his turban. It's like a Clark Kent/Superman thing, people don't recognize Piccolo as the demon who took over the world because they don't see his antenna.
But Piccolo was revealed in this outfit. If he wore a different outfit you'd have a point, but the way in which you described it, ot would be like if Clark Kent was revealed to be Superman and that he could come back to work looking exactly the same, but calling himself Bruce Parker instead. It just goes beyond all reason.
@@vanjagalovic3621 Not even that but using the same exact name. You know like Piccolo does here. The moral of this is people are stupid.
Haha, it definitely seems like a lack of object permanence. This would be like if the world found out Clark Kent was Superman and, as he was standing in front of them, he puts the glasses back on, and everyone goes, "Oh, my God! Superman disappeared!"
@@MistareFusion LMAO
clark kent/superman makes sense. He goes through a massive effort into making Clark into a really nerdy and weak guy and he even lowers his posture to look less like the ideal superhero like Superman
Holy crap. I never considered the punching machine a way for Satan to avoid fighting skilled fighters. I really love how introspective these videos are.
"Tenkaichi Budokai has Sold Out"
Nah that's not hipster talk, that's a pretty accurate statement. The tournament in that Arc really felt corporate since Mr. Satan became the Champ. It's become a spectacle with no substance.
I'm pretty sure that's the joke.
@@ALocalClown I know.
@Alpha Jay 3.0
Good, I don't have to say it. Because when Mistare said the Tenkaichi Budokai sold out, I agreed with him 100%.
And you put it very well in saying that this tournament felt corporate and became spectacle over substance.
Never in my life would I ever expect to come across the idea of Dragon Ball sneakily showcasing corruption in society. This was a scarily deep analysis.
@Sumera Paleema
IKR? Like subconsciously I noticed the corruption Mistare spoke of, but didn't think much of it.
But this is a side effect of art, as there are inadvertent themes and subtext thrown into a story... This has me wondering what people will notice about my own stories that I didn't intend to be there. >_>
Should've been pretty obvious from the start. When you're the champion and savior of the world, you pretty much get nearly everything handed to you on a silver platter.
And it's not even propaganda.
The people of Dragon Ball have developed a case of Sunnydale Syndrome. They just can't believe in anything out of the ordinary even when that used to be the norm for the Earth. They've seen people fly, shoot ki blasts, and destroy entire cities with the lift of a finger, but no one remembers and are so awestruck when they see Goten and Trunks flying. There used to be anthropomorphic animals walking around everywhere, but they suddenly disappeared with the exception of Oolong and The King. No one except for the announcer remembers Piccolo and the fact that he was an evil demon king that destroyed the last tournament grounds, but even the announcer takes it all in stride even though he's a remnant of the Dragon Ball world of old and should express concern for Ma Junior entering this tournament. Also, everyone is so caught up in Mr. Satan's facade that they have forgotten about the legendary martial artist, the Muten Roshi, the inventor of the Kamehameha, a name that was once known far and wide that doesn't even get a passing reference now and no one at the tournament grounds recognizes him. Maybe the Earth the Dragon Team returned to after Namek is an alternative Earth from the one they're from. Maybe it's like the Fake Namek from the anime filler. After comparing the Earth before the Cell Arc to how it is afterwards, it seems that way.
That actually bothered me to no end since I have seen the Boo Saga. It surprised me more that nobody really talks about this (except for the past few years knowing that apparently most people that know Dragon Ball start with Z and hate GT because Goku got cut by glass, but also seen think OG Dragon Ball serves a similar purpose as Tom & Jerry Kids).
No mention of the crane school, turle school, iconic kamehameha and also wasn't it implied that the Devilman takes part in Tournaments? What happened to him?
@@M3rtyville
Not only that, does no one remember Oozaru Goku or Jackie Chun using a Kamehameha to destroy the moon? The moon was also destroyed a second time by Piccolo and no one acknowledges it. Also, how about Tenshinhan destroying the ring with a Kikoho? What about the Red Ribbon Army? They were a terrorist organization that was feared throughout the world, now they're gone thanks to Goku and no one has ever commented on it. No one remembers Piccolo/Ma Junior destroying Papaya Island, and it seems that also applies to Nappa destroying the East Capitol. That's ridiculous. The Sunnydale Syndrome is strong within the muggles of the Dragon Ball Earth.
It's like a reverse Pokemon, at first there were other real world animals, people had realistic guns, more real life references and stuff like that but those were left after the first series.
@@Gardetrace It will get worse with Piccolo, Tien and Roshi not remembering the Mafuba. Or anyone for that matter.
Considering the entire gimmick with Boo is that he is a demon that was sealed in an egg.
Guess they were to petty to give up their lives, Toriyama hoped nobody remembers or, like always, Toriyama forgot.
To be fair, you have to remember that the Budokai tenkaichi used to be an enthusiats only affair. While Roshi is well known in the martial arts world, most people at the tpurnament today are "normies" who are just following the Satan Hype train.
You are pretty much spot on about the rest tho.
Piccolo should have registered under the name Nail and worn Nail's clothing. That would've been a cute tongue-in-cheek thing.
That would've made more sense. The name change part. I don't think he would've worn Nail's clothes.
He could've borrowed a salaryman's body and called himself "Mao" or something as a callback to God and Shen.
@Sun Wu-Entai 90 Piccolo did actually changed outfits. Between the 3-year timeskip, his new gi has now a much lower neck than previously.
@@PrimeroJinJusuke That's more likely just Toryama changing the design slightly rather than Piccolo designing new clothes for himself
binge watched the entire DBD series this past weekend and was not expecting a new episode so soon! watching it ASAP
Every month, baybeee!
peffi same!!
It only took a weekend? Wow... But yeah, I found this in the Cell Arc, and it's a fantastic series.
With the coronavirus going on, we get DBD on a more frequent basis. Despite the increased pacing of release schedules, the quality of DBD hasn’t gone worse. It still maintains the quality it had the past years.
I can tell this because we are still in volume 36 since Part 1. We only got glimpses of later volumes, but we technically didn’t reach volume 37 yet, at least not as the focal point.
Remember, guys, once Lance‘s Patreon reaches the 800$ goal, he will do an excursion and make a DBD „Eradicate all the Saiyans“ special for us. It’s definitely something he didn’t plan ahead as part of his main DBD schedule.
I swear 5 minutes ago I was thinking "What if today the new DBD comes out?" and here it is. My prayer was answered lol.
Joining your Patreon the moment I stop being poor.
DANG THATS FREAKIN CRAZY
Pray more often, seems like your prayers work ;)
Same, once I get a job again and finish college, Ima support that there Patreon
I think the big difference between the Buu arc and the Saiyan/Freeza/Cell arcs re. Goku is - in those earlier stories, it's taken as a given that Goku will be the hero, or at least pivotal to victory. In the Saiyan arc, everyone's waiting for Goku to arrive; in the Freeza arc, they're waiting for him to arrive, then get better; in the Cell arc, they're waiting for him to get better, then arrive. In the Buu arc, the initial expectation is that Goku will only be around for the tournament. Once the initial confrontation with Babidi and Buu is over, we're left with the Supreme Kai seeing Gohan as the key to victory, and Goku seeing the fusion dance as performed by Goten and Trunks as the key to victory. He becomes a mentor character, and explicitly states that it's time for the younger generation to step up, and repeats the sentiment later when watching Gohan face Buu (in the anime, at least; can't remember about the manga.) Even with SSJ3 revealed, he's not built up as someone who's going to be there for the final battle; Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are.
As you say, whenever Toriyama decided to make that change, it got made. But the fact that, for so much of this arc, Gohan and the kids are presented as the ones who will be the heroes, who will make the difference, makes it all the more jarring when that doesn't happen, and if Toriyama did decide as early as the tournament that Gohan's days as the series lead were done, he erred greatly in waiting so long before actually presenting Goku as the pivotal character in the conflict.
Gohan was still the main character here with all the major plot focusing on him.
He was the one who got to fight Dabura while Goku/Vegeta fought fodder characters, he was the one getting upset over Spopovich vs Videl, he was the one who gave up his energy sparking the start of the entire story, and he was the one who had a personal arc of having to regain his strength he lost as a result of peace time.
I know you were joking when you stated how Gohan being taken out of the story means he’s the MC (because that’s what happened with Goku) but in a way it does. They took Gohan temporarily out of the story in order to build him up in the background to ultimately measure up to Buu after being overwhelmed by him the first time. Although it’s impossible to say for sure, since Toriyama never stated when exactly fans/executives made him change his mind on Gohan, but I believe he was the MC up until the point Goku gets revived by Elder Kai. Since prior to that Gohan and Goku say their final goodbyes which to a fan seems like the real end and the last time we’ll see Goku, as he has successfully passed the torch to his son once more. Hell, Gohan even ends up sporting Goku’s signature gi if you need anything else suggesting this literal passing of the torch in the Buu Arc. Unless Toriyama was attempting to make a sick joke here by having Gohan formally wear Goku’s gi before his fight with Buu and saying his final goodbye to Goku, only to be thrown aside for Goku, I believe Gohan was still the planned MC here.
I mean you can’t really say Goku is the MC when Goku himself is constantly building up and talking about the next generation. To me, it seems like Goku in the Majin Buu is taking up the role of a teacher / old wise master and is enacting final lessons onto his pupils / successors; which is essentially him formally passing the torch to them and mainly Gohan.
This is mainly why the Majin Buu Arc is a narrative mess, it spends the entire story focusing on the next generation only to double down on that and go back to Goku as the MC by having him save the day; while also asspulling things last minute out of nowhere like Elder Kai giving his life for Goku (even though Kami states Gods can’t kill themselves) and Potara. It would be like if in the Frieza Arc we had it so Goku spent days traveling to Namek training only to do nothing while Krillin is the one who saves the day. It’d be stupid, came out of nowhere, and would have been a slap in the face to everything the story has been building up to.
DB would have been in such a better place today if Goku had stayed dead, it would give the show a reason to grow and change as it did before, time and time again, the last time being in the beginning of the Saiyajin saga.
Even if the equivalent of DBS or DBGT couldn't work Gohan into the type MC his father was, it could still have Pan, Videl, Goten, Trunks, Kuririn, 18, Vegeta and Piccolo there to help carry the load.
I'm certain DB would still be evolving to this day, instead of the DBGT we got that is a bad mixture of early DB and Majin Buu saga with some development to the characters or the awful DBS that is just trying to rehash everything from DBZ by regressing characters' development and being afraid to evolve.
Just remember that Kid Trunks is the same age as Teen Trunks when Future Gohan dies and 4 years older than Gohan in the fight against Cell.
"Toriyama never stated when exactly fans/executives made him change his mind on Gohan", because "fans/executives" had nothing to dow with his decision. It's one he made himself.
People tend to take his statements as him just being polite, but you really think Toriyama, the guy who admitted to doing some things *solely* because the audience wouldn't expect it, and who literally threatened to quit and stop making the manga when executives were shuffling their feet about him making Goku an adult... you think that this man was "forced" to make this change because of "fans/executives"?
@Oberstein Knows Best
Not really, it reminds me a lot of Goku in the King Piccolo Arc with him locking his potential through drinking the Ultra Divine Water. Even though a potential unlock isn’t the most exciting game winning power-up/trump card it actually fits really well with Gohan’s story as a whole. He’s always been this character with immense latent potential lurking within him, and then in the Majin Buu Arc he finally has it all brought out, reaching the fullest of his power/potential. Although I’ll agree it’s kinda lame and feels like just a way to make Gohan stronger than Buu, but it’s not like Gohan didn’t earn it. He spent his time doing Z-Sword training which made him significantly stronger and then did Elder Kai’s ritual which he had to sit down for, in a way, mirroring the lesson Goku was taught by Korrin before he got the water that unlocked his potential with Gohan having to express virtues fundamental to Elder Kai’s ritual.
Although I agree how it could be a little lame if the story ended with Gohan defeating Super Buu right there and then. He definitely should have struggled and overcame Buu instead of curbstomping him, which is why I believe the idea of Buutenks was a good addition (although any other power up to make Super Buu stronger would serve the same purpose) and the story would have been much better if Gohan overcame Buutenks ( / the idea of Super Buu becoming stronger) by surpassing his limits and a well fought battle, or by even teaming up with others in order to do so.
I’m going to have to disagree with Vegeta’s sacrifice being a better ending though. Although being a fantastic moment in the Buu Arc, and a phenomenal accumulation of Vegeta’s character in the story especially in the Buu Arc... it’s just that, a great moment for Vegeta as a character. But not for what should be the ending of the story arc.
@@Kisaru1000 it was the three aspects together, fans, editors and his personal feelings about Gohan not being the same type of character as Goku.
@Maxi Iroh
I one-hundred percent agree. Goku as a character definitely isn’t bad by any means, and you surely can still write stories around him, but from a narrative perspective he’s peaked. Goku’s entire story revolved around winning the WMAT and then fighting strong people. Besides that desire to fight strong people he doesn’t have much going for him and doesn’t really grow much, and this is because Goku as a character *can’t* really grow much outside of becoming stronger. He’s a veteran and has pretty much done it all, especially everything major around his character as a whole like winning the WMAT. It’d be like if Boruto continued with Naruto as the main character, you can’t really write a new story around a character who has already done it all and reached their goals.
The story would no doubt be MUCH better with the next generation Gohan/Goten/Trunks/Even Uub as the main characters and the ones getting all the focus, since they actually have room to grow.
I’m pretty sure Shueisha/Toriyama/Whoever was too afraid of the risks in going this route just because of Goku’s popularity and how iconic he is, which is pretty sad to see. I really hate seeing a dead horse be beaten when the story could become so much more if they’d just stop beating it and try something new.
(Adolf Hitler shows up in 2020)
Everyone: "Huh, who's this guy?".
It's actually a bit depressing hearing Lance's old rants/tangents here in the buu saga knowing it's almost over .
it sucks how much things change with the people in dragonball since stuff like goku and his team were consider normal in the past.
Mr. Satan being added needed the world to be whitewashed. Or his character would make no sense. I guess unless he would be a idiot no one believes. Instead of hanging on his every word for some reason.
Yea they got hella dumber.
@@spartanq7781 Well they are Satanists (jk, don't shoot me).
Yes my biggest issue with Mr. Satan is that for him to exist did the world have to become dumb. So insufferably dumb in fact that I was glad when Boo pulled his human extinction attack.
That's not really what white washed means spartan.
This has to be the most in depth analysis of MR.Satans involvement and perception of tournament. It's beautiful. Thank you very much.
The video's a treat as always, though I do want to share my own two cents on the whole Piccolo thing:
I think as viewers outside the Dragon Ball universe who are shown only the perspective of the Dragon Team, we fail to sometimes realize how _incredibly_ niche and obscure the Tenkaichi Budokai was before Mr. Satan. Sure, it was something that a lot of people heard of as the Ultimate Martial Arts Tournament under the Heavens, but there's a big difference between hearing about it and actually knowing the details. I obviously know of football/soccer but I'm not a sports guy, I know the names of Cristiano Ronaldo and the like, but I have never actually been to an actual stadium, and I'm sure out of the 7 Billion people on the planet, I'm in the majority there. It's safe to assume that even if the event was televised, not many people actually tuned in to see Goku and Piccolo Junior's fight, and since it had no long term repercussions, very few people actually remembered what happened on that day. With stuff like the Saiyans landing and (iirc) destroying East City just a few years later, and the threat of the Red Ribbon Army before that, in comparison the 23rd Budokai was barely a footnote in the world's history.
We have so many fake martial artists even in real life, that it's not hard to believe that the majority of the ignorant public might buy into Mr. Satan's idea of the big explosions being nothing but smokes and mirrors. Piccolo Junior never actually did any large scale damage like Piccolo Daimao did, so it could be that they just thought he was some dangerous wannabe.
Junior made a big shockwave and blew up the ring and flatenned the Island, but I don't recall there being any actual casualties.
Daimao on the other hand, straight up blew an entire city and made it to the news. So makes sense that if 50/100 people knew of or remembered Daimao, only a fraction of that, say, 5/100 people would actually remember the name Ma Junior. And even then, "maybe _this_ Ma Junior is just a wannabe of that other Ma Junior", you get what I'm saying?
Compare that to Cell, who not only SUCCed thousands of people, including entire towns, but also took out the nations army in one fell swoop in the Anime. Even Imperfect Cell's threat loomed for days, much longer than either of the Piccolo events, not even mentioning the 10 days of sheer panic that followed the declaration of the Cell Games. Compared to Daimao, who declares May 9th as Piccolo Day and ends up dying the same day, it makes sense that Cell's defeat would actually make it to the history books rather than Piccolo's or Ma Junior's.
*Tl;dr* - Very few people remember Piccolo Daimao, even fewer remember Ma Junior, and Piccolo just doesn't give a crap.
I think some people take it for granted that the Tenkaichi Budoukai was some kind of obscure, niche event. Presumably such an idea was started to help gloss over some of this. It's certainly possible that such an idea was intended. And it's *definitely* treated as more mainstream and popular in this iteration than it was previously. But I don't see any evidence in earlier parts of the series that the event was "underground" or "cult" as some people like to claim.
However, like you, I don't follow sports. But even so, if self-proclaimed members of ISIS showed up at the national cornhole championships, probably the most obscure televised sport I've ever had the random chance of encountering, and completely blew up the stadium and surrounding areas, even if there were somehow no casualties, you really think every single person in the world wouldn't hear about it? That it wouldn't dominate the news cycle for weeks? That people wouldn't be talking about it for decades to come?
MistareFusion They'd be talking about those ISIS members, though, they wouldn't bother to recall whatever pseudonym they chose for the tournament
Piccolo NUKED the island. I don't care if the event was a Pokemon TCG tournament at the local library, that shit would've dominated the public consciousness for months if not longer.
No, sorry, it still doesn't make sense. No matter how supposedly "niece" and unpopular the Tenkaichi Budoukai supposedly was, the guy who literally took over the world only three years ago showing up and nuking the entire tournament would've made national news. Think about it, the schools where school shootings happen don't tend to be super famous schools, but you still hear about them. Hell, apply that to what's going on right now. Is Minneapolis the most famous city ever? No. But you still hear about it when a guy gets murdered by a cop and there's riots. Hell, practically NO ONE had heard of George Floyd or Derek Chauvin before the incident, but when Floyd gets killed, it makes national news.
Federico Armada yeah, but I'm pretty sure they would've remembered what the GUY WHO TOOK OVER THE WORLD ONCE looked like (especially considering his very distinct appearance), particularly when he's dressed in the exact same clothes he wore last time we heard from him.
When Goku floats in front of Uub and everyone freaks out that he's flying,I had to drop the series
Wouldn't that be the end of the original manga?
You had to drop the series at the epilogue?
@@danielquinlan2457 yeah, it's like a couple minutes and that's it.
Man, do I really like the reactions to different characters when Goku returns. and the different lines that they exchange.
Easily my favorite moment in this arc.
Piccolo staying away but smiling is my favorite of them all.
@@mielthesquid6536 Same here!
I gess Piccolo has 5 fingers now, that why they don't recognize him
Noone remembering it's piccolo? I always just wrote that off as everyone abandoned the tournament and then afterwards just assumed it was an imposter because they all saw king piccolo die on TV...
And for the announcer being cool with him and not fearful; I assume after Goku and Chichi ran off... Kami and or Roshi asked him to keep it a secret? Plus he possibly saw Piccolo versus Nappa with the rest of the dragon team AND/OR at the cell games; And probably just thought "Goku really has a way with turning bad guys good, he did the same thing with Tenshinhan, now Piccolo jr"
"Now Vegeta?! ...Maybe not."
could also a case of "please don't try to kill me" so he's trying to keep Piccolo friendly.
I would like to think that as far as Mr.Satan is concerned, he is the strongest person on earth that does not know ki based martial arts. Even if Mr. Satan doesn't have to fight until the championship round, he still wins his fight and is champion. It's only until the z warriors and their kids show up with their "magical powers" show up when Mr.Satan realizes that he is in over his head.
After you finish Dragon Ball do you have any plans for dissecting any other manga? I think the internet needs more dissections like the ones you do.
There is a glaring amount of cynicism on the internet and it honestly bothers me a lot, but there is also people like you who really care for what they are talking about and are sincere when talking about it, hence why I ask you if you have any plans of doing other manga. I'm eager to see your takes for other works (provided you have the same amount of care for it).
please do Vagabond by Inoue Takehiko for a change of genre. That manga deserves a review
I agree. I tend to prefer MistareFusion's stye of reviewing over the clickbaity "X is Garbage And Here's Why" format that's becoming more popular nowadays, which pretty much locks you into a strictly negative approach in the first place. The format of a slow dissection of a story from beginning to end, on the other hand, allows for much more sincerity and the ability to express your positive AND negative thoughts regarding certain moments in the series more clearly.
I'd love a One Piece dissection but that would take decades.
I think the fun with Dragon Ball dissection comes from how known Dragon Ball is as well as how knowingly imperfect it is, and how engaged Lance is with the franchise.
I doubt Lance has a relationship with any other manga nearly as profound as his relationship with Dragon Ball
Anyone can jump into a new franchise and analyze it volume by volume, but DBD is entirely unique.
Ayyyyy Vitz! Whats good my guy!
So, Uranai Baba brings Goku back to Earth to participate in a tournament, but she didn't bring him back in Trunks' alternate future to stop killer androids because. . . .
Ooh, nice point!
because the 24 hour revive thing is a stupid idea that should've never existed and goku should've met grandpa gohan some other way.
alternatively, maybe uranai baba was one of the many casualties in future trunks' timeline?
Let's not forget them never communicating from the afterlive. Would be nice if Goku remembered the time chamber exist. Also couldn't Trunks take Goku to the future and let him instant transmission to new Namek to use the Dragon Balls there etc.
Yes, maybe she was killed in the alternate timeline. But maybe she can still use her powers to transport herself to the living world for a day. It is fun to think about.
The analysis of Mr. Satan is spot on! I've always thought that Mr. Satan influenced the changes in the Tenkaichi Budoukai to keep him as champion and that I also think he feels trapped with taking credit of beating Cell.
The character development to follow is what I look forward the most hehehe
I’m tempted to make a comparison of Mr. Satan to Donald Trump, but I’m afraid that it might be too on the nose.
@@bgvo4373 you're not far off but I can think of more delusional people that I can compare to Mr. Satan LOL
5:13 We need to make "hero guy" into an official literary term. It could stand for any character who only exists in the story to save the day at the end and does nothing else.
Dragon team sounds better than "Z fighter" imo
@Lord Super Kami Guru I know, the man has good taste
Definitely makes more sense to since the original manga never adopted the Z at the end only in other countries
That is because those terms mean different things. "Z-Fighter" means the same as "Dragon Team member".
@@oneheckofabanana2016 not really. In the fiction of Dragon Ball why would they ever refer to themselves as Z Warriors? At least Dragon Team fits with how they were originally united by the Dragon. Z is meaningless outside of a sword that doesn't appear until the second act of the final arc.
@@ALocalClown For the same reason that they called the Z Sword the "Z Sword".
Regarding Satan, it also helps that the Dragon Team seem to not want to draw the limelight anyway, and don't seem too bothered about Satan taking all the credit for defeating Cell anyway. But since Satan loves the limelight, he's a natural fit, as this bombastic showman and celebrity who successfully marketed himself as the World Champion is a natural showman.
Characters like Gohan prefer flying under the radar if it means they can have a normal life. But Satan doesn't want a normal life.
Can't wait to see you talk about Mr Satan and Fat Buu's interaction
me: lance doesnt have an agenda...
lance: i have an agenda!
me: son of a...!
Your insight into Mr. Satan is brilliant. Gave me a new way to look at and appreciate the character
@12:00, That might not be true. As we know the Cell Games was basically something the entire world was watching so it's likely that he saw Piccolo there on the side of all the heroes. It could be reasoned that he noticed and it threw him for a loop but he accepted that something must've changed in him.
EDIT: 10 seconds later.
Whelp fuck me I guess.
Of all the minor nameless characters in DB, the announcer is one of my favorites.
weird Toriyama never gave him a name
This part alone almost raises this arc above the Cell arc for me.
15:07 - that sounds like a TFS gag. I am now reminded TFS is not doing Buu Saga T_T
Good. Fuck TFS.
I like the idea of Gohan being the weirdo he is. He no longer has the role model as his father and he is stronger than Piccolo. He doednt have to save the world as all the powerful beings in universe were dealt with. And also now he is in love
I always liken Mr. Satan to Dragon Ball's version of Ric Flair. Believes in his own hype on a surface level and knows he can beat any hack who claims to be a "real" fighter. He is the legitimate World Champion, after all. Deep down though, he knows he can't beat any extraordinary fighter on his level or above so he "cheats" or "fixes" tournaments in his favor to keep himself on top. He even has a posse of flunkies to help keep the title revolving around himself.
Hes not actually missing that much. Yes he missed most of the story with piccolo redemption but everyone saw him standing next to goku and the gang when he faced cell. He doesnt know the super saiyan transformation or its name but he does know that goku fought cell and cell even stated gokus name infront of the cameras. Most of the other people wouldnt know who he is but the turtle gi is something the announcer knows verbatim. Krillin yamucha and tein also being there despite both being at odds with him. Then seeing the child who looks similar to goku wearing piccolo gi would definitely give him clues. Im sure ztv sold whatever they had of the fight. It wouldnt be hard to get that video. Now one viewing thats not something to note and speculative. But looking at it enough in 7 years he could very well take that info and come to that conclusion. Plus piccolo named in ma junior as to not freak people out. And piccolo came in with goku. Enough context clues to know that hes shouldnt be surprised at piccolo.
Except those context clues are few and far between.
you know thats not the only thing they forgot. Roshi, Tien and Piccolo won't use the mafuba against a demon who was sealed on this planet and killed the "only person" who can seal him with a spell.
I COULD be wrong, but I swear in the anime Announcer ALSO straight up outs Majunior when he fights Shin. While he whispers "Don't destory the ring" again. But I SWEAR he also gives a mention to him competing at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai in the final match. If so then I guess after 18 years everyone just forgot that MaJunior outed himself as King Piccolo reincarnated.
He does indeed do that. I even show that panel at one point.
"Best thing since Betty White." What a wonderful cultural reference. I love it!
Damocles' sword was hanging over Gohan since Goku said he'd come back, but it didn't fall until Buu absorbed Gotenks
"He opened my eyes. Only the best comedians do that."
Piccolo has all of God's knowledge.. he knew he could get away with it. lol
Perfect timing! School just finished today.
This has become one of my favourite series in all youtube (i discovered it not long ago and binge watch it like in a week). This series has shown me how much i love Dragonball; thank you Lance.
I leave this comment for the algorithm and because the video is pretty well made. I love this series and look forward to the next one. Keep up the good work, MistareFusion!
Informative and fun to watch as usual. Wonderful work as always, Fusion!
Would've been neat if he registered as Nail or Kami or a fusion/corruption of the 2.
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Well, the arena still pays homage to the old style in the background. The building the finalists stay in while they're waiting for their turn to fight is clearly modeled after the old arena.
Besides, after what Piccolo did in the 23rd Tournament, they obviously would HAD to have rebuilt the stadium from the ground up. The old stadium was modeled in the "old world" style because it was probably more than a hundred years old, seeing as the first tournament we see was the 21st Tournament, and the tournament prior to the events of the series took place once every five years.
I really wanted a 1 off conspiratorial character who knows nearly all the horrible events of the past ~30 yrs and desperately tries to predict and alter the future to avoid deaths but no one believes them as everyone is stupid. So...Human Trunks lol.
Human Trunks: THERE WILL BE AN ATTACK AT THE TENKAICHI BUDOKAI!! DO NOT ATTEND!!
Idiots: OMG STEVE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, SHUT UP!!
FINALLY :D
I finished watching your dissection of the Cell arc like two days ago. I'm loving the series.
Another great episode! Thank you for keeping the awesome content coming during these tough times!!
Just wanted to drop the fact that you're my fav youtuber and I've been watching your vids for years. Keep up the good work, loving it
I love that when you mention how much focus is on Goku and how removed Gohan was my first thought was "Wow that's just like how they remove Goku in other arcs" and thought to make a joke about it but then you immediately made that joke for me.
Also as for Satan yeah a lot of his mistakes are noticeable by the world but while I don't know if I would say there are people hired to keep the lie going I'd say people willingly become complicit because of his image. When he slips he gets back up and says it was a joke, when a kid beats him it gets twisted into him letting the kid feel strong and that he lost on purpose because of how nice he is. His image of being the hero helps the people jump into these conclusions for him thus also reassuring that this image is real
you know those theories, that higher-ups create fake, ridiculous conspiracy theories so that the real ones seem dumb? Imagine some people being hired to say some stupid shit, so those saying that Satan didn't kill Cell and is a fraud sound really idiotic
One of the things that have always bothered me the most is what he mentions here. People seem to have forgotten about Piccolo(even though he would be an enormous moment in the earth's history considering the original actually took over the world for a bit) and people seem to have forgotten that bukujutsu was an ability that martial artists could learn(crane school I'm not sure but I think that was specified) things that were common knowledge suddenly seem to have been forgotten mainly for unnecessary shock and awe of spectators.
Vegeta, piccolo, and Yamcha were all in the cell games and not a single outsider who sees them even cares. This is a missed opportunity
Yep. You definitely have a point with that. I guess I'm not busted up over it because there are already a lot of great character interactions as is, but it would have been nice.
wow once again a video that makes me go wow. I love how you make it clear the changes to the tournament and yes I do agree it's mostly done to be funny but you are right about how it is oddly good commentary.
As a counter, both the villains and kaioshin target gohan as they feel he is the strongest living character. And gohan being allowed to be attacked is what transitions the story away from the tournament...and that action is driven by kaioshin.
What a time for this just finished rewatching the series yesterday
The early bits of this arc highlight the fact that Vegeta has become accustomed to wearing normal clothes when not in combat mode, something Super completely forgot about, as that Vegeta pretty much lives in his Cell arc armour at all times.
Actually, the way Mr. Satan is put on a position to benefit from the rules, is not that different from the way a lot of fight champions act, particularly in boxing, where upon reaching champion status it suddenly becomes really difficult to have them defend that same championship. Hell, if you look at UFC you can see this too.
DANG. I haven’t paid much attention on how much the Buu era Tenkaichi Budokai drastically changed from its tournament formats before. Good points and another well made video.
This who portion of the manga has some INCREDIBLE fan service. It isn't campy either; it is legitimately well done.
13:31 I think it's thanks to the Saiyans' and Cell' destruction and terror, or just bad writing, that the people forgot Piccolo's rampage and terror.
One'd think it'd be the opposite. The longer something like Piccolo doesn't happen, the less people would believe it and talk about it.
Except you know, it hasn't been that long.
I think you highlighted the problem I have with Dick Grayson becoming Batman of Gotham.
He’s literally just taking over Bruce’s role rather than being a character in and unto himself.
About f-ing time. Discovered this series during the outbreak in April and been obsessed with the analysis. I believe a lot of other UA-camrs got their start from emulating and outright stealing from you, so I pine for the OG.
Another amazing episode!!
feels weird to see a new upload after binging the entire series so far. I was looking forward to this!
What if Piccolo registered under the name Ma Junior Jr.? Nobody would have suspected a thing.
One of m y biggest dissatisfactions with Dragon Ball's ending is how the Tenkaichi Budokai is basically a con job, Mr. Satan never comes clean, and everyone else is actively helping with keeping the lie alive.
Literally none of them care...but you do, so I suppose there's clashing.
Yamcha was a bandit, Master Roshi is a serial sexual harasser, Android 18 was a serious threat to the earth without a huge redemption arc, Lunch can turn into a violent criminal. Mr. Satan is honestly one of the more heroic characters. He genuinely tried to defeat Cell and helped against Buu as well as displaying strength of character at some points during the Buu arc, seems fair for him to get off lightly when the others are not even interested in recognition.
You mean the Dragon Balls leaving due to over use...
Goku fusing into shenron has nothing to do with that...it's just a thing that happens.
As always, incredibly entertaining. Thanks yo
Man, these chapters were so fun and truly felt like the epilogue this arc should've been. Can't wait for you to tackle Goten and Trunks, because they are my favourite characters in the Buu arc.
I kind a wish you went A little longer on this. This is really enjoyable
You made me feel bad for announcer guy, congrats
The story itself does.
Just discovered your channel. Your analysis on the series is fucking intoxicating. Binging rn. Big fan.
17:20 - 17:31
That seems awfully similar to what Master Roshi feared would happen to Goku and Krillin if either of them were allowed to win the 21st Tournament, doesn't it?
I can't believe I never thought of that. I also can't believe they still didn't figure out he was Jackie Chun.
I'm going to become a patreon supporter and pay this man to say something nice about Piccolo, cuz that's honestly the only way it's going to happen.
I love the interactions in this part.
Lance I just wanted to say that I deeply enjoy your writing. There's a certain witty charm behind it. You collorfully describe, and you keep my attention enwrapped from the very first second to the last. Thank you so, so much for this Disecction series! :D
Wow, that is a fantastic compliment. I do love writing. It means a lot to me that you enjoy what I do. This episode in particular was a lot of fun to work on. Thank you.
I think theyre trying to make Goku more the new Piccolo during the sections Gohan's unconscious. During Frieza and Cell, whenever Goku was out of action (which was often), Piccolo would step up and lead the action during the "holding pattern" phase of each of those wars. Goku here, is actually supposed to be "holding the line" until the "real hero" Gohan or briefly later, Gotenks, can spring into the action and saving the day, supposedly being the stronger power. This pattern of course doesn't work for Toriyama in the end, but it means we actually get a lot more Goku time in the Buu Saga than we would have had he been the intended hero, as he'd have been off training, or still dead, or fighting Dabura or something, and the others would have been leading the action until he arrived.
The name Piccolo was televised worldwide. The name Ma Junior was kept confined to a tournament that is not (as far as I know) broadcast and that only a small amount of people got to watch, decades ago.
You don't think it would've spread word of mouth when Ma Junior's reveal caused the *_entire_* *_island_* to evacuate? Or when he nuked the island afterward?
What Daniel said. Also, it is broadcast. We see the group listening to a live radio broadcast of the 22nd Budoukai.
Also, I talk specifically about Budoukai staff. As I show, this is a tournament where both identity and facial records of all competitors are archived, and the fact that that is true is a major plot point. Bonus points: it's a major plot point revolving around Piccolo. At best, you could say that those records were lost. But even so, the announcer introduces him in this tournament by tying him to that previous match. There is nothing incognito about this. People both know and don't know at the same time. It really doesn't make any sense.
@@MistareFusion Maybe they assumed Piccolo was civil now.
@@samueloak1600He literally blew up 2 cities, you expect people to trust him after he did that?
@@brandonlyon730 Well, people trust the USA, so yeah.
You are soo good at what you do.
That's very kind. Thank you!
Another great episode!
Your doing a good job Mr.Lance or Lance. Keep it up.
Wasn't Yamcha supposed to find love in A new Girl.
Toriyama doesn’t care enough
Yamcha is a simp
I love the idea of the piccolo laying down clues to fuck with people angle XD
7:45 this is actually why I think maybe Gohan was supposed to be the hero all along, and even Toriyama realized that the way that was set up was weak as hell
I can't believe I just got "The greatest thing since Betty White" joke 2 years after. The joke is that she was born slightly before the invention of sliced bread
Thanks for your dissections.
I know that Toriyama likely never heard of AB Groupe, especially back then, but it would've been hilarious if Piccolo entered his name as "Big Green".
It’s also good to note how mr satans lie about being the greatest champion would actually end up saving the universe at the end of this arc
"Who aRe TheSe litTLe bRatS ThaT caNnOt sEe hOw aWesOmE GoKu is?!?!?"
Ahhh... if only another certain fandom could realize that a next gen character is not obliged to awe in front of the older favourites, ESPECIALLY if they're related by blood.
Well some of them aren't.
@@fightingmedialounge519
NONE of them is...
in his defense, that person is the son of legitimately the most important person in that history
Commenting for the frozen burritos.
Also another great episode