Aristarchus: The Greek Copernicus | Ancient Greece Revisited
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Aristarchus was an ancient Greek astronomer and mathematician who presented the first known heliocentric model that placed the Sun at the center of the known universe with the Earth revolving around it. Almost 2000 years later, the astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus made his "revolutionary" discovery, that displaced the earth as the center of our universe, without ever looking at the night sky. All that was needed was one single step of logic!
Writer and Presenter - Michalis Michailidis
Director and Editor - Adam Petritsis
Cinematographer - Konstantinos Kritikos
Original Music Score - Penny Biniari
SPECIAL THANKS TO
The National Observatory of Athens
www.noa.gr/
Content has been used from storyblocks.com, nasa.gov
The right title of this video!
Copernicus: The Polish Aristarchus
There is a bit of a tradition in calling Aristarchus "The Greek Copernicus" or the "Ancient Copernicus" etc. (see g.co/kgs/Tm6ozE, and g.co/kgs/LtmgV9) But you might actually be right! I spoke with an academic recently who told me there is a manuscript in Italy written by Copernicus that shows the crossing out of a reference to Aristarchus. He insisted that Copernicus actually took his ideas directly from the Greek and willfully hid this very fact.
Damn as a Greek physicist this scenery is my favorite!
I cannot use cognitive reasoning to explain the deep apreciation for this incredible well put together video. One of the best on UA-cam !
Thank you once again Gabriel. You are definitely one of biggest supporters...
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Congratulations on this very informative and superbly edited video. I learned about your channel through the Philellinas interview you did with Fred. Looking forward to your future uploads. Warm regards from Amsterdam.
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You guys make amazing videos! 🙏
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Keep it up being the center of UA-cam videos!!
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Wonderful video. If you get time, rebranding the audio so that the music doesn't overwhelm the narration might make it even better.
Yes, we've been told ;-)
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Ευχαριστούμε πολύ! 🎉
Very nice episode! Congratulations! Give us more :-)
Thank you very much! We will!
That was very informative but just as important it was also vey beautiful.
Thank you. We wouldn't be true to our ancient Greek origins if beauty played a small part.
Very good. I've subscribed.
Thank you! Being called "TheAtheist", you might want to check out our episode on Epicurus and Sam Harris.
This overview has contained many central ideas new to me, although I have read a big book on the history of astronomy. The text is greatly broad-minded and thought-provoking.
Thank you. You can also read The Sleepwalkers (g.co/kgs/ai77RK)
@@AncientGreeceRevisited I meant "central _points_ new to me"; now I won't correct it, any more, after you have loved my comment.
I can open your link to Arthur Koestler's The Sleepwalkers: A History of Man's Changing Vision of the Universe, but only by copying it into the address bar of a new browser window. The closing parenthesis is included, otherwise. The book must be terribly interesting. Published in 1959, it's from an era the printed output of which I appreciate especially much.
The history of astronomy I meant I have read was a German version of Willy Ley's Watchers of the Skies: an Informal History of Astronomy from Babylon to the Space Age ( www.amazon.com/Watchers-informal-history-astronomy-Babylon/dp/B0007DSBJC ).
@@HansDunkelberg1 Thank you. Here is another "love" for you then! But remember, in Ancient Greece Revisited we are here to challenge the view that science is the ultimate narrative for all phenomena. We want to suggest - at least suggest it - that philosophy might be the ultimate "science." That modern science, in other words, is but a very specific philosophy, and therefore a subset of what philosophy can offer. We have only implied it so far, but we are moving towards stating it more clearly. You can get a taste, of course, in this interview : ua-cam.com/video/MsQiYfi-8z0/v-deo.html (no parenthesis this time).
Amazing! Thanks a lot :-)
Judging from the videos that you subscribe, I reckon that you are a software developer. Perhaps then, you will enjoy my conversation with "The Athenian Stranger" (ua-cam.com/video/POUx8w3WbcE/v-deo.html)
I have doubts about 6:53. The Copernican system is sometimes called heliostatic, e.g. by historians of Physics like Stachel, Janssen and Wróblewski; Copernicus believed the Sun to be outside of the exact centre of the Solar System, but standing still there.
True, but in fact, the point is more about the Earth NOT being the center than anything else.
Bummer that many of Aristarchus scrolls were destroyed in the fire of Alexandria.
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Wow that was amazing !
I would like to see a video of your perspective on Greek scholars And what role does the Sumerians have and I mean the scholars the royalty the architects and hierarchy have in common with grease and if the dates are correct the dating of the Sumerian time Line because they’re saying 6500 BC thank you very much I really enjoyed your show Ευχαριστώ πολύ
Thank you. I don’t think there is much however in the Sumerian analogy, what we are trying to explore is the Greek Uniqueness. Watch this to get an idea: M. Michailidis on C. Castoriadis | Unregistered Podcast and Ancient Greece Revisited
ua-cam.com/video/Bdty63UPtSw/v-deo.html
Παρολο που δεν εχω σε καμια ιδιαιτερη εκτιμηση τη σημερινη ελληνικη κοινωνια μου φαινεται αδιανοητο το πιο ποιοτικο καναλι του youtube να εχει μονο 10Κ συνδρομητες. Αν ημουν υπουργος Πολιτισμου θα σε φωναζα, θα σου ελεγα "συγγνωμη για την καταντια μας και παρε αυτην τη χορηγια να συνεχισεις να μας ξεστραβωνεις"
Σίγουρα είναι το σχόλιο του μήνα, ίσως και της χρονιάς μέχρι τώρα. Σ' ευχαριστούμε. Κι εμάς μας "προβληματίζει" το γεγονός ότι δεν έχουμε καταφέρει να βρούμε ένα μεγαλύτερο κοινό, αλλά σίγουρα σχόλια σαν και το δικό σας μας κάνει να συνεχίζουμε, τρία χρόνια τώρα και βάλε ...
Aristarchus, Copernicus and Galileo. The 3 great thinkers of classic science.
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Πολλά συγχαρητήρια για το κανάλι σας. Έχετε «αναγνωρισιμότητα» , πολύ καλή παραγωγή και επιλεγμένο υλικό. Να είστε καλά και να μας φέρνετε καινούργιες εκπομπές.
Μια μικρή παρατήρηση για τον Δαρβίνο που αναφέρθηκε : Η θεωρία του δεν είναι πια απρόσβλητη:
ua-cam.com/video/noj4phMT9OE/v-deo.html
Σας ευχαριστούμε πάρα πολύ. Όσον αφορά βέβαια στην «αναγνωρισιμότητα» προσπαθούμε ακόμη, έτσι που η οποιαδήποτε κοινοποίηση μας βοηθάει πάρα πολύ. Όσον αφορά τώρα στο Δαρβίνο, βεβαίως και γνωρίζουμε τις κριτικές και πιστεύουμε πως έχουν μεγάλο ενδιαφέρον. Αυτό που λέγαμε στο συγκεκριμένο βίντεο είναι ότι οποιαδήποτε κι αν τελικά είναι η εγκυρότητα τους, οι θεωρίες του Δαρβίνου είχαν επιπτώσεις όχι μόνο στην επιστήμη αλλά και στον γενικότερο πολιτισμό, πνευματικό και μη. Τέλος, σε αυτό το κανάλι θα προκαλέσουμε πολλά από τα στερεότυπα της Δυτικής επιστήμης με βάση τη φιλοσοφία της αρχαίας Ελλάδας.
What of Anaximander?
It’s coming …
A cool video, but it raises a question which isn't answered: did Copernicus know about Aristarchos? English Wikipedia says that yes, even though Copernicus never cited Aristarchos in any published work.
Yes, he did, just to answer in retrospect. It was something that was unknown to us at the moment of making this video, and if we knew, we would definitely add it.
Copernicus did accredited Aristarchus in his draft, however, he curiously got rid of the passage containing the citation shortly before publishing the final copy 📖😢
Σας συγχαίρω για το πάθος, τον κόπο, το ήθος και το κοινωνικό έργο που διεκπεραιώνετε στην προσπάθειά σας να γεφυρώσετε το παρελθόν με το παρόν. Θα ήθελα να προτείνω την σύγκριση του αρχαίου αττικού φωνητικού συστήματος με το σύγχρονο ή γενικά κάποια ιστορικά στοιχεία για την μεταβολή της γλώσσας μας ανά τους αιώνες, ως ιδέα για μελλοντικό βίντεο (ξεκινώντας από την αττική διάλεκτο του χρυσού αιώνα ή και πιο παλιά και αναφερόμενος στην κοινή των μεταλεξανδρινών χρόνων και την βυζαντινή να καταλήξετε στην νεα κοινή). Ιδέα, την οποία μάλιστα θεωρώ πολύ σημαντική δεδομένου της, συγκριτικά με άλλα θέματα, λειψής αναφοράς της. Οι περισσότεροι Έλληνες δεν γνωρίζουν ότι η γλώσσα των αρχαίων Ελλήνων ήταν διαφορετική και ότι υπήρχαν μάλιστα και πολλές διαλέκτοι. Θεωρώ ότι χρειαζόμαστε άπλετες ακτίνες φωτός πάνω σε αυτό το θέμα!!!
Σ' ευχαριστούμε κι εμείς από βάθος καρδίας. Το θέμα που έθιξες είναι πολύ ενδιαφέρον πράγματι, κι έχουμε τον κατάλληλο άνθρωπο για το φέρει εις πέρας. Όσον αφορά το "Αττικό" ιδίωμα βέβαια, να θυμάσαι ότι είναι σα να ρωτάς ποιά είναι η προφορά του Λονδίνου. Δηλαδή, θα πρέπει να σε ρωτήσω, του Hugh Grant ή του David Beckham; Και οι δύο είναι Λονδρέζικες! Η Αττική δεν είναι ακριβώς διάλεκτος, αλλά θα έχει σίγουρα το ενδιαφέρον του να δούμε το πως εκφέρονταν ο λόγος μιας τραγωδίας. Είναι στα προσεχώς.
*Truth* is a *woman* , she reveals herself to the brave one and the one who is seeking.
Thank you as always
Καλή δουλειά
Nietzsche?
"The Greek Copernicus"? Is this a joke? Copernicus himself attributed his heliocentric model exclusively to Aristarchus. Copernicus is the Polish Aristarchus
My friend, relax and watch the episode, and the whole series in fact. You can decide if it’s a joke afterwards. 🙏
Not to mention the stolen books by the church hidden for centuries and then during and after the Middle ages many scientists popped up with this stolen ideas as theirs.
If you want to revisit ancient Greek history you should know perfect ancient Greek do you?
there is no evidence that Aristarchus' hypothesis was available at the time. All we know is a single sentence in an early script of Copernicus' mentioning that perhaps Aristarhus "was of a similar opinion", which yes Copernicus later removed from the final publication. That's not evidence enough he was aware of the details of the ancient Greek astronomer.
No contemporary of Copernicus mentions anything specific about the early Greek hypothesis simply because to all appearances they had no access to it, the manuscript was not available to them. The rest is speculation.
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Ελληνα αδελφέ σου αφιερώνω αυτό το ποίημα αυτό..
Κωστής Παλαμάς Μολώχ
Των Ελλήνων την πατρίδα βάρβαροι την ατιμάζουν!
Όπου ανθοπετούσαν οι Έρωτες παραδέρνει η νυχτερίδα.
5 Στη νυχτιά μας μια πυγολαμπίδα,
των αρχαίων η μνήμη, ψευτοφέγγει·
κι είναι μια νυχτιά που δεν τη διώχνεις,
του παντοτινού μας ήλιου αχτίδα!
Και πατρίδα και ψυχή ρουφάν 10 βάρβαροι από βάθη και από ύψη.
Κι όταν, μ’ ένα τρίσβαθο ωχ!
των Ελλήνων θεέ, ρωτούμε σε: «Είσ’ εσύ ο ξανθός Απόλλωνας;»
Αποκρίνεσαι: -«Είμ’ εγώ ο Μολώχ!»
Σας ευχαριστώ απ τα βάθη της ψυχής μου...
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The fact that Hindu mathematicians independently discovered much of this prior to Pythagoras, indicates Pythagorean mathematics was first discovered somewhere in central Asia, possibly, Babylon, Persia etc. I have my doubts that Aristarchus discovered the heliocentric model. Greeks were mainly philosophising or absorbing knowledge of previous civilization's. The likelihood that a single individual went against the grain and statistically analysed the movements and data points of the heavens in a short 70 year lifetime without a telescope is improbable!!! Thomas Heath wrote his book on aristarchus in 1913, his only real reference that Archimedes mentions him. References to Aristarchus seem to appear from 1913 to 1940s. Around the same time white supremacism grows in Europe and US.
If there are ancient Greek manuscripts referencing Aristarchus translated to Arabic, they are not known. The historical legitimacy of this is shaky. Coppernicus studied in Bologna, where Islamic knowledge and books arrived via Venice, sparking the Renaissance. Islamic influence on Coppernicus is undoubted. Down to every detail.
Yes, Pythagoras must have taken a lot from Hindus and Babylonians. But remember, that the concept of proving those theorems is uniquely Greek. That something is not just true because it works every time, but that it can actually be proven to work ALL the time. There are subtle differences between those cultures, and the fact that cultural exchange happened way before the Internet should not cloud our vision as to the uniqueness of each culture. Thank you for your comment.
It's not proven that Pythagoras was discovered in India before Pythagoras since we don't know when Baudhāyana (the indian man that first proposed Pythagoras) was born so he could have been born before or after pythagoras altought we know babylonians discovered it first but it wasn't proven until Pythagoras. And it's a fact that Aristarchus was the first that proposed the heliocentric system and not only Archimedes mentions him. Plus Copernicus did say that that in the pages of Cicero and Plutarch he had found references to those few thinkers who dared to move the Earth "against the traditional opinion of astronomers and almost against common sense" so he was definetly aware of him.Also the greeks expanded enormously on the kmowleadge of the time, they didn't just absorb the knowleadge of previous civilizations and phylosophing. You're just trying to descredit every archivement done by white people based on baseless personal hypothesis and superstitions
@@okpo2596 You should look beyond your subjective superiority complex my friend.
Coppernicus studied the Arabic subject of medicine in Bologna, where he had access to Arabic text. Some of which would have been translations of Greek texts re- entering Europe for the first time in 2000 years via Venice, via Islamic world!!!!
There is no surviving Greek paper in existence referencing aristarchus of samos and the heliocentric model. Just a work of fiction written by a white supremacist in 1913.
The existence of Pythagoras of Samos and his theorem is a mystery. No surving evidence his mathematics or science exist . He is is revered as a deity, a demi-god or cult figure. Therefore the likelihood is that everything about him is a fiction.
Pythagoras, Artisatrchus, Socrates, etc, are now rightly considered symbol's or inventions, to re-write history in a European image. Just as Jesus, God, and angels etc were all whitewashed in renaissance Italy, by Micheallangelo etc!!!!
History re-written by Europeans for Europeans.
@@okpo2596 That is true. And that is exactly what we are trying to show. It's the fact that Greeks invented something entirely new, which is the concept of "proof." The fact you don't have to believe in authority when it comes to the sciences, but can actually prove (to yourself first and foremost) that something is true.
@@higgsboson2280 Wow the antieuropean nonsense continues. First you say that there's no surviving greek paper that references Aristarchus of Samos when Arithotheles references his heliocentric model in The Sand Reckoner. Then you say the nonsense that Pythagoras and other greek scientist didn't exist lol and were invented by white supermacists when we have documents about them from before Jesus was born and none historian says they were inventions or symbols 🤣. And to end the nonsense you say that Michelangelo whitewashed Jesus and the angels when they have always been painted as white persons in Europe just like they're painted as black people in Ethiopia. Also i found funny how you completely believe hindus invented pythagoras before Pythogras when we know almost nothing about the hindu man that did it and the first references to his Pythagoras discovery appeared a thousand year after him and Pythagoras both died revealing your antieuropean bias
You're great in disseminating people
Disseminating??
Δεν υπάρχουν ελληνική υπότιτλοι
Όχι ακόμα δυστυχώς, σε μερικές μέρες όμως. Θα σας ειδοποιήσουμε.
Μόλις βάλαμε τους υπότιτλους
Ο τίτλος από μόνος του είναι προσβλητικός.
Φαντάζομαι ότι θα έπρεπε να είναι το αντίθετο, ο "Πολωνός Αρίσταρχος." Όμως σκεφτείτε πόσοι γνωρίζουν τον Αρίσταρχο σε σχέση με τον Κοπέρνικο. Ο τίτλος μπορεί να φαίνεται ανακριβής, και μπορεί να είναι, αλλά το περιεχόμενο είναι σαφές, και ιστορικά σωστό. Το δόλωμα είναι πάντα μια υπερβολή...
A dramatic presentation to confuse gullible people. I am not one of them.
I am happy for you. But what exactly did you find misleading in what we presented?
You're allowed to fool yourself. But it is a tragedy.
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