These Brutal Wagner Group Tactics Spread to the Russian Army

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  • Опубліковано 16 жов 2024

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  • @PrestonStewart
    @PrestonStewart  День тому +25

    If interested in donating, here’s the link to the new fundraiser: www.help99.co/patches/preston-stewart---the-himars-commander

    • @LoriKasprzak-kc7xc
      @LoriKasprzak-kc7xc День тому +1

      What's the option for Russian males? They're imprisoned if they refuse military service and then are forcibly conscripted as prisoners?

    • @rffromusa8319
      @rffromusa8319 22 години тому +3

      Preston, this is incredible. I am so excited that you have partnered with this group! I was in Kyiv at the truck handover in August, and it was the most amazing experience.

    • @rffromusa8319
      @rffromusa8319 22 години тому +1

      ​@@LoriKasprzak-kc7xcthey can band together and rise up against their oppressors as Ukraine is doing.

    • @Omar-lq3ri
      @Omar-lq3ri 21 годину тому +1

      @@Schumacher73you want him sooooo bad don’t lie

    • @stnaes-tf4ow
      @stnaes-tf4ow 21 годину тому +1

      You're full of shyt. None of this is true. Typical slava ukraini/military industrial complex bootlicking propagandist --- either lying or just completely clueless

  • @bored.in.california2111
    @bored.in.california2111 День тому +149

    People who chose to be there will always fight better than those who were forced to be there.
    Russian propaganda works very well and with Bakhmut and Avdiivka victories on their side it is very easy to recruit an eager fighter.
    Russians are still very deep in the USSR victory. Giving some guy a very well rewarded opportunity to fight in a huge war, which the government has 100% guaranteed it will win, is huge incentive.
    I was born in the Baltic states, we have a good view of the Russian mindset, their culture through media etc.

    • @andrerothweiler9191
      @andrerothweiler9191 День тому

      well depends, dont see lots of young people mostly 40+ alcoholics, convicted and drug addicts.

    • @РоманР.Ж
      @РоманР.Ж 20 годин тому +7

      Это был смешной в своей глупости пост))

    • @nicolasolton
      @nicolasolton 19 годин тому +4

      ​@@РоманР.Жexplain?

    • @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
      @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket 17 годин тому

      Lol Implying Russians have minds?

    • @mariuss.6607
      @mariuss.6607 17 годин тому +1

      ​@@РоманР.Жit's so true it's even funny

  • @edl5731
    @edl5731 День тому +232

    The use of disposable troops was SOP for Russia in WWII

    • @Gapis321
      @Gapis321 День тому +20

      I'd love to say with confidence that we're better than this but it's hard not to bring up WW1. I think in the face of an existential war, most European nations would also rely primarily on poorly trained conscripts.

    • @afcgeo882
      @afcgeo882 День тому +24

      @@JaKingScomezThat’s an absolute lie. There absolutely were assaults like that this year and even Russian reporters were saying it and approving of it.

    • @lettheflamestakeover7374
      @lettheflamestakeover7374 День тому +5

      @@afcgeo882like the -8 army rangers in Kursk?😂

    • @lettheflamestakeover7374
      @lettheflamestakeover7374 День тому

      @@afcgeo882I have all their names on my phone😂 👏 🇺🇸

    • @lettheflamestakeover7374
      @lettheflamestakeover7374 День тому

      @@afcgeo882Adams Sanchez Hernandez Johnson just to name a few😂❤ poor little Pvt. and SSGT.

  • @OpenCarryUSMC
    @OpenCarryUSMC 12 годин тому +55

    As a retired career Marine the concept of “disposable forces” sent in as a routine matter to catch bullets blows my mind. How do you get any kind of loyalty? You don’t. You only have compliance via the threat of violence.

    • @comentedonakeyboard
      @comentedonakeyboard 11 годин тому +7

      On a related Note, those heavy losses also lead to brain loss of trained and experienced soldiers, leading to higher losses, leading to demand for more Expendables. A vicious cycle.

    • @harrylo2316
      @harrylo2316 11 годин тому

      Either fight, survive and go home. Or don't fight, survive and go back go jail.

    • @adamhall5298
      @adamhall5298 10 годин тому

      it's a slave nation

    • @keironcameron252
      @keironcameron252 10 годин тому +1

      You may not know it, but you were lad, recon by fire ring any bells?

    • @technoruffles7747
      @technoruffles7747 9 годин тому +1

      It's funny you say that coming from a branch in the military regularly used as disposable cannon fodder for other branches.
      Looking at some of the cold war doctrines you had entire divisions specifically positioned to be cannon fodder and do little more than delay.
      Just because they don't explicitaly state something doesn't mean it isn't true.

  • @EmperorCheed
    @EmperorCheed День тому +254

    Imagine being so worthless your life is used as bait. Thats rough

    • @johanneslinnemann6660
      @johanneslinnemann6660 День тому +56

      What I find even crazier is the fact that there are supporters of russia who cheer for these kind of tactics.

    • @EmperorCheed
      @EmperorCheed День тому

      @@johanneslinnemann6660 You're right, its insane to have that mentality in 2024. Its a barbaric and almost medieval in ways. I can't wrap my head around knowing your life is used as bait. Where would you find honour in that?

    • @tomnps1671
      @tomnps1671 День тому +23

      If you are in a Russian prison, your life is essentially over. Eating gruel in cold cells with a prison hierarchy (Thieves) probably makes life more miserable for most. If you get out, society dismisses you. To be free for a bit, to see the trees and the air may be worth it to them.

    • @EmperorCheed
      @EmperorCheed День тому +10

      @@tomnps1671 I can see that it's an escape for some. However, I have a feeling the majority of prison conscripts do not finish their contract. Essentially a death sentence. I can also understand taking a risk of potential death is worth it when your prison sentence is decades long. I guess its how much of a gambling man you're.

    • @lettheflamestakeover7374
      @lettheflamestakeover7374 День тому +3

      Not bait, they are essentially like marine raiders. Wagner units had many former Spetsnaz as well

  • @heberje
    @heberje День тому +69

    I read the Russians are trying to pass off North Koreans as people from some of Russia's remote Oblasts because they have similar features to Koreans. Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode trying to pass off Dominicans as Cubans. Ukraine has actually captured North Koreans in the battle space.

    • @voroboosher
      @voroboosher День тому +15

      People all around the world fight as mercenaries on Ua side so why not 😅

    • @moosehead4497
      @moosehead4497 День тому +6

      They actually do share a border crazy enough

    • @artnull13
      @artnull13 День тому +3

      Buryatia is where you’re thinking

    • @artnull13
      @artnull13 День тому +13

      @@voroboosherthanks for being wrong again vladbot from STP - when are you volunteering cow ard or you going to let NK and the TikTok army fight for your 3-day SMO 😂

    • @It1nt
      @It1nt День тому +15

      They volunteer. These North Koreans clearly aren't volunteering.​@@voroboosher

  • @johnwalsh4857
    @johnwalsh4857 День тому +102

    what Preston did not mention is that even the Russians are running low on convicts so much they had to close down many prisons all over Russia now what they are using as disposable infantry are foreign volunteers from India, Africa, Nepal Cuba etc. these are the new Storm Z however due to recent media focus on them, they are also running low so now the new Storm Z units purpotedly are the North Koreans. we shall see..

    • @dr.acosta1312
      @dr.acosta1312 День тому

      @@kamilhorvat8290 did he?

    • @Kelvinpaul4
      @Kelvinpaul4 23 години тому

      Yeah, I bet the Russian screws didn't think for a moment they would be meat on the front lines.

    • @Rweda255
      @Rweda255 22 години тому +23

      did Russia running out troops as media say on Feb 2023 ?
      are now Russia running out troops again ?
      OMG
      2025 Russia running out troops again and Kursk offensive already get kick out and whole eastern front has been taken by Russian

    • @denniskasiyan4938
      @denniskasiyan4938 22 години тому +24

      @@Rweda255​​⁠russia was running out of troops. They just had to keep on finding different short methods to alleviate the problems. Examples here:
      Summer of 2022: cannibalizing of training units during the Battle of Sievierodonetsk
      Partial Mobilization of the Autumn of 2022 as a result of the setbacks of the Kharkiv Counter Offensive
      Giving contracts to violent prisoners for Bahkmut
      Coercion of foreign citizens of Asian and African countries to sign contracts
      And now we are seeing regular North Korean military, in likely the thousands, that will eventually be sent to at least towards the border areas.
      Shoigu asking for a 2nd mobilization earlier this year before being reassigned
      A military that isn’t “running out” wouldn’t be doing these actions. Yes, we will never see russia “run out of troops” but they will always be not enough to continue it long term. russia will keep on finding solutions for manpower but at a cost.

    • @Rweda255
      @Rweda255 22 години тому +4

      @@denniskasiyan4938 did AFU doing it to?

  • @baptistamercado1380
    @baptistamercado1380 23 години тому +16

    This is just hearsay, but Russian and Belarusian friends told me how they tried to deal with dangerous convicts, that wanted to return to civilian life, instead joining the Wagner group as a normal soldier.
    When Prigozhin was still alive, if Wagner superiors believed the convict could not turn off the “murder switch” (AKA the convict was an innate sadistic psychopath), then the next time the convict was sent out to draw fire from the Ukrainian machine gun nest, the Russian convict would “accidentally” be killed by Russian artillery.

  • @alonbinyamin
    @alonbinyamin День тому +53

    Also, now Russia has less convicts to pay for. Decimated the worst of their society for a win in battle. Ruthless yet effective

    • @Seth9809
      @Seth9809 21 годину тому +12

      Considering all the political prisoners... Are you sure?

    • @pwrm8721
      @pwrm8721 20 годин тому +4

      @@Seth9809
      All the political prisoners? How many "political" prisoners were sitting in Russian jails prior to this war?
      Could Great Britain not host a way more effective army with their political prisoners?

    • @darenzy
      @darenzy 20 годин тому +12

      @@Seth9809 Political prisoners most probably didn't volunteer to join Wagner? I mean, it's just common sense.

    • @drewmalesky9869
      @drewmalesky9869 19 годин тому

      ​@@pwrm8721.....a lot. Russia is a full blown Autocracy. They were imprisoning people for holding up blank pieces of paper in front of red square.

    • @thomasmyers9128
      @thomasmyers9128 17 годин тому

      I bet they are making more future convicts during this war….

  • @CommentConqueror
    @CommentConqueror 20 годин тому +16

    Nobody gets discharged for bad conduct they're just marked as expendable. They call it getting zeroed out.

    • @reedschrichte800
      @reedschrichte800 2 години тому

      Now the term is "red flag", as in football/soccer

  • @omarrp14
    @omarrp14 20 годин тому +11

    12:58 that’s crazy to think about.
    Imagine this in the US.
    A battalion scheduled to attack in a few days is assigned a company of former prisoners from some Texas prison, and that Battalion commander is told to use that penal company as a probing element broken down into fireteams.

    • @MrZlocktar
      @MrZlocktar 18 годин тому

      US had way worse - McNamara's idiots

    • @jameshauf9044
      @jameshauf9044 6 годин тому

      Plenty of folks in us prisons...

    • @omarrp14
      @omarrp14 5 годин тому

      @@jameshauf9044 what do you even mean by this comment. Are you just stating the obvious, or are you saying this as a justification for using prisoners in this manner?

  • @tech477
    @tech477 День тому +66

    A little correction: there are no convict units in Ukraine. The former convicts are dispersed among the general population of the army. It is better this way.

    • @TheChiefonator
      @TheChiefonator 23 години тому +20

      Because trust me bro?

    • @emil3458
      @emil3458 22 години тому +5

      ​@@TheChiefonator???

    • @chozer1
      @chozer1 22 години тому +7

      @@TheChiefonator because it only makes sense

    • @EzekielDeLaCroix
      @EzekielDeLaCroix 22 години тому +1

      Dang. How'd they do?

    • @horstnietzsche1923
      @horstnietzsche1923 20 годин тому

      ​@@chozer1oh cool so you can explain then?

  • @davidgoulding1386
    @davidgoulding1386 День тому +7

    I always appreciate the work you do! Thanks Preston, keep it up!

  • @jabr0n1
    @jabr0n1 День тому +23

    hey look ma! i’ve never even talked to a recruiter but russian training standards make me vdv qualified!!

    • @lettheflamestakeover7374
      @lettheflamestakeover7374 День тому

      Ironically I met a former Spetsnaz this week😂stop lying. He told me I won’t survive the work required

    • @lettheflamestakeover7374
      @lettheflamestakeover7374 День тому

      Another thing just like you many Spetsnaz get out of the force in their late 20s because they are no longer as capable

    • @jabr0n1
      @jabr0n1 День тому +5

      @@lettheflamestakeover7374 it’s a joke. i’m joking that in the recent war, russian training standards have dropped so low now that even i, who’s never served the military, now can be a russian spec ops

    • @lettheflamestakeover7374
      @lettheflamestakeover7374 День тому

      @@jabr0n1if you’re going to joke😂you should make it true at least. “It’s funny cuz it’s true”😂comes from me insulting overweight people

    • @jabr0n1
      @jabr0n1 День тому +8

      @@lettheflamestakeover7374 well sarcasm is a thing, and partially it is true. story after story of russian conscripts getting sent to the front after firing 3 magazines of ammo and that’s basically it, i’m just taking the facts and adding a bit more absurdity to them, hence a joke

  • @woodsghost9088
    @woodsghost9088 40 хвилин тому +1

    ALL troops are disposable. Just like ALL corporate employees are replaceable.
    Doesn't matter what country or government you are talking about. It's just True.

  • @Randomvideos-k3m
    @Randomvideos-k3m День тому +16

    Love your content keep up the great work ❤🔥

    • @PrestonStewart
      @PrestonStewart  День тому +4

      Thanks a lot!

    • @Randomvideos-k3m
      @Randomvideos-k3m День тому +3

      @@PrestonStewart you’re better than TV. All the new stations are fake news.

  • @SamtheIrishexan
    @SamtheIrishexan День тому +15

    Being a soldier that is considered entirely expendable is an awful fate indeed. If I hadnt believed my commanders would have done everything they could to keep us alive I would have had 0 morale. But employing criminals who are not a dangerous risk to your society but looking to reduce their sentences isnt a bad source of manpower in a pinch.

    • @d4gp6ou6if6
      @d4gp6ou6if6 17 годин тому +1

      I wonder if the Afghanistan withdrawal soldiers thought their commanders would keep them alive.

  • @albifreedom9725
    @albifreedom9725 День тому +22

    I have been waiting for your coverage in what's happening in Ukraine. Hope you will cover about the North Koreans there too.

    • @PrestonStewart
      @PrestonStewart  День тому +25

      Holding on the NK soldier story for now. Feels very rumor based at the moment. Hopefully we get some pictures or videos soon to serve as confirmation

    • @papkanosik
      @papkanosik День тому +2

      Zelensky was the first who said about NK soldiers fighting for Russia, you must believe him(no)

    • @omaralonso2471
      @omaralonso2471 14 годин тому

      "I hear is just a rumor"
      10k north Koreans fighting for the russians now

  • @CORMACtheCRUEL
    @CORMACtheCRUEL 17 годин тому +4

    One thing no one talks about is Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu being replaced by Andrei Belousov seemed to have a huge impact on efficiency as well. Like night and day for Russia with him in the role as Minster of Defense.

  • @chameleon455
    @chameleon455 День тому +29

    Thank you Preston!! Your support is amazing not only for Ukraine but for eastern Europe in general!

  • @schlirf
    @schlirf День тому +28

    Can't help but be reminded of the Boer Wars. Despite being numerically outnumbered, the Boer put up one hell of a fight; but eventually lost to attrition tactics.

    • @danielstruwig3078
      @danielstruwig3078 День тому +4

      Ja nee ongelukkig het ons, ons geveg teen die Britse koloniale magte verloor

    • @schlirf
      @schlirf 23 години тому

      @@danielstruwig3078 ...easy for you to say. 🥸

    • @scatmanz2496
      @scatmanz2496 15 годин тому

      Because the Africans helped the British fight the Boars at that time.. the Africans see the Boars as the invaders.

    • @danielstruwig3078
      @danielstruwig3078 12 годин тому +2

      @@scatmanz2496 ah no not quite so simple. The Zulus hated the English. Most of the boer republics land was bought or gifted after helping the local tribes sort out disputes. The english promised not land owning black men land if they supported the fought with the english. None of them got said land.

  • @Chris_da_fro
    @Chris_da_fro 14 годин тому

    It's been humbling seeing your channel evolve and I'm glad to be here to witness it. Stay safe out there!

  • @MariusLefter-l5c
    @MariusLefter-l5c 20 годин тому +7

    Good information. You are the ONLY guy that i know on youtube, that has specified that aspect of superior numbers: wear down of the defenders by constant presure, not necesarily strong presure.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 годин тому +1

      The classical "human wave" vs today's "meat wave".

  • @StratCorporal
    @StratCorporal 21 годину тому +5

    Thanks!

    • @PrestonStewart
      @PrestonStewart  20 годин тому +2

      Hey thank you so much for your support! That really means a lot sir, truly.

  • @rcchin7897
    @rcchin7897 21 годину тому +2

    Thanks for the in-depth report! Barely heard about Wagner tactics using prisoners on other videos, so have always wanted to know more.

  • @FrankyXG
    @FrankyXG День тому +12

    I feel you should also talk about Ukraine’s use of convicts in the battlefield.

    • @dangersnail5839
      @dangersnail5839 День тому +9

      He already did.
      To give you a rundown, it’s kinda different on both why they’re using them, and how they’re using them.
      Russia doesn’t NEED to recruit convicts to sustain their forces, but they use them anyways because losing a convict soldier is better than losing a volunteer contraktnik.
      Whereas Ukraine needs them because Ukraine has nowhere near the population of Russia, and needs more sources of manpower to sustain their forces.
      Russia uses their convict soldiers as disposable cannon fodder, using them like supporting forces that are simply meant to constantly grind down the enemy at high cost to themselves.
      Whereas the convicts in Ukraine were actually given heavy equipment, professional training, and veteran leadership. Intending them to be used as regular professional forces.

    • @afcgeo882
      @afcgeo882 День тому +3

      @@dangersnail5839That’s misinformation. Ukraine doesn’t “need” to use convicts either. They choose to. They still haven’t drafted a single person younger than 25. There is also ZERO evidence on the equipment and training the convicts are given. You’ve made that up. I doubt anyone will trust them to serve alongside them, with a weapon. My guess is that they’re being used primarily in support functions, but I also don’t know for sure. Neither do you.

    • @lettheflamestakeover7374
      @lettheflamestakeover7374 День тому +4

      @@afcgeo882😂😂😂bro the first year you were bussing 16 yr olds to enlist, not even joking. I saw video with my own eyes

    • @dyr_glpsn4209
      @dyr_glpsn4209 День тому

      ​@@afcgeo882 bot. Didn't even bother changing the PFP from the other account.

    • @afcgeo882
      @afcgeo882 День тому

      @@dyr_glpsn4209 Who’s a bot?

  • @heberje
    @heberje День тому +4

    Thanks for the good sitrep Preston

  • @goncaloferreira8543
    @goncaloferreira8543 День тому +17

    I'm sorry if what I will ask was already answered but when you said that during the Bakmut battle the casualty ratio was 1:4 in favour to Ukraine, were talking about wounded and kia right?
    Bc according to some reports Ukraine suffered 10k kia and incapacitated casualties while the Russians suffered 20k kia, essentially 1:2 casualty rate in favour to Ukraine but still only half of what was being reported.
    Just want to be sure that's it

  • @CalebKennizzite
    @CalebKennizzite День тому +2

    Very insightful & great delivery, as usual!

  • @gardnert1
    @gardnert1 День тому +23

    I disagree with Kaufman's assessment that these tactics were effective. "Effective" would be taking Bakhmut in a matter of days or weeks. The fact that they could only gain a block of the city in that time with horrible losses shows how ineffective these tactics were. Ukraine was happy to wear down Russian/Wagner forces in such a lopsided meat-grinder. The main effect was ultimately the Wagner mutiny, which was the beginning of the end for Russia as a state (or at the very least Putin). The affect on Russia's fighting effort was worse: it settled their expectations as low as they can go. Commanders saw that meat-assault tactics could gain a pace of advance that was acceptable to the Kremlin. They also realized that they could send their forces to die and embezzle their pay. So the Russian army oriented itself to supporting these failing tactics because they don't need to care about actually winning.

    • @DV-oy4gz
      @DV-oy4gz 23 години тому +7

      experts on fighting camel cavalery. after the war we'll see ratio. who was a meat

    • @darenzy
      @darenzy 20 годин тому

      Would love to try some of the stuff you're smoking. You're even worse than that propagandist "source".

    • @goncaloferreira8543
      @goncaloferreira8543 20 годин тому +1

      @@gardnert1 people underestimate the amount of ressources Ukraine spent to hold on to bakhmut indefinitely, something even Ukrainians and US officials have said and criticized.
      People trying to portray the battle as "haha Russians can't even capture this small city in days or weeks, lol" as if Ukraine didn't sent most of it's veteran brigades to defend the city, they fought valiantly and had significant casualties so minimizing their sacrifice seems a insult to their sacrifice.
      People are forgetting that Ukraine did everything they could to prevent it's capture, Zelesnksy literally promised that the city would never fall that it became his motto "bakhmut holds", he even went as far as to say the results of the war are tied to Bakhmut's fate.
      It's crazy to hear some guy online saying bs like this while the Ukrainian soldiers on the ground talked about how Wagner was fighting well and etc...

    • @goncaloferreira8543
      @goncaloferreira8543 20 годин тому +4

      To conclude, the Battle for Bakhmut was brutal as both sides kept throwing in more and more ressources to either defend it or capture it. And of course the winner was the side with the most air support, artillery fire power and more manpower, go figure.
      Saying that the Russians were so incompetent that it took they so many months is like slapping the face of the Ukrainian defenders that fought hard and nail to defend it at all cost, instead of saying "yeah it took them too many months bc we fought like hell" nope people online are saying "lol they are so incompetent that it took they so many months", and people like you is only going to down play Ukraine's cause.

    • @comentedonakeyboard
      @comentedonakeyboard 11 годин тому

      Bakhmut was a classical case of a phyrric victory.

  • @dennisyoung4631
    @dennisyoung4631 16 годин тому +3

    Almost as if Russia was once more using “Mine-Tramplers” like they *supposedly* did in ww2.

  • @superhumanhumansuper8706
    @superhumanhumansuper8706 5 годин тому +1

    how about the Americans died in Afghanistan? are they not disposable? they were dude.

  • @Matthew-ex9qt
    @Matthew-ex9qt 14 годин тому

    Thank you so much, sir, for your great reporting that we're not getting anywhere else. You're great, and we're lucky to have you! Now, don't get a big head. LOL

  • @sergeyb8
    @sergeyb8 День тому +18

    Convicts absolutely got the best deal. They get a free card by going to Ukraine then come back home free to do absolutely anything they want. The latest laws allow criminals to bypass prison altogether by going to Ukraine. So basically, you can do whatever you want, literally, over and over again.
    And if you have money, you can go to Ukraine "on paper" so to speak

    • @kswiss6661
      @kswiss6661 День тому

      They get sent straight to the front with little to no training, they are lied to about money and freedom after deployment, they are sent in to suicide mission after suicide mission, and the penal units can be refused medical treatment, I can hardly say that's a good deal...

    • @sb7467
      @sb7467 23 години тому

      That’s if you survive the hundreds of meat waves you have to go through. 99%+ don’t survive these meatwaves. They’re expected to die and not collect the money.

    • @jajuny1627
      @jajuny1627 21 годину тому

      their survival rate is absolutelly horrendous

    • @SaturnVII
      @SaturnVII 14 годин тому +1

      The reality is you have a better chance of winning the lottery than going to Ukraine 'again and again'

    • @Goldfinch23
      @Goldfinch23 14 годин тому

      The catch is you have to be rich and if your rich enough to buy your way out of service, there probably committing white collar crimes like embezzling and you'd bribe your way out befoew your conscription paper work was even processed 😂😂 the catch 22 is for murders an rapist, they may have there sentence voided but once there service is up in a penal unit, there sent a conscription notice the same day because there now release as free citizen, that are eligible for conscription. 😂😂

  • @uniqueme1976
    @uniqueme1976 22 години тому +3

    If there's another Earth, this existing one is surely disposable.. Who is worthy to inherit peace??.. Sun is bright, but the souls are dark.. 🔥 🔥🔥

  • @kemarisite
    @kemarisite День тому +4

    14:26 "real training on the battlefield under fire", this is entirely consistent with what local proxy leaders like Strelkov have said about their conscripts, the hope that the survivors would pick up what they need to know during their time on the line (as discussed by Perun).

  • @xxfgsdfgadgsgsrgfdsg
    @xxfgsdfgadgsgsrgfdsg 23 години тому +3

    In actual war all soldiers are disposable.

    • @MrZlocktar
      @MrZlocktar 17 годин тому

      This guy will never get what war is. He knows only insurgency. He never had experience with the war. Just imagine if he'd learn next day about what McNamara did during Vietnam war. He would be in shock i bet. 100,000 of US citizens with Low-Iq were thrown to the frontline as absolute disposable meat. Imagine if he learn now what Forrest Gump film was all about. Shoking, i know.

  • @shrugg6593
    @shrugg6593 День тому +9

    Every army throughout time considers troops as more or less disposable.
    Some are more valued than others. But if mission success demands a sacrifice...

    • @dangersnail5839
      @dangersnail5839 День тому +11

      Not really.
      For example, most western armies, even on a company level attack, considers the death of a single soldier a major event that requires serious reconsideration on the operation.
      For example, at the height of the Afghanistan war, the United States was losing roughly below one soldier every day. And the US Army considered it to be a military crisis.
      And you could argue that this value of life placed on the soldiers makes western armies weaker, but it also means that due to the western emphasis on conservation of strength, western forces would last longer during a high intensity armed conflict.

    • @TheOpethOfMastodon
      @TheOpethOfMastodon День тому +5

      ​@@dangersnail5839 Good point. The US has lost 7,080 troops since the start of the GWOT in 2001. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of deaths for Ukraine and Russia.

    • @yellowtunes2756
      @yellowtunes2756 День тому +3

      ​@@dangersnail5839 you're confusing fighting a full scale war against modern opponents with fighting goat farmers on Toyotas

    • @yellowtunes2756
      @yellowtunes2756 День тому +2

      ​@@TheOpethOfMastodon yeah, imagine losing 7k soldiers against guys in flip flops

    • @dangersnail5839
      @dangersnail5839 День тому +4

      @@yellowtunes2756 Yes yes, farmers with Toyotas, T-55s, BMP-1s, BTR-60s, MANPADS, and ATGMs.
      Soviets fought against the afghans too, and the afghans were even more poorly equipped back then. And lost 4x as many in combat as the US did.

  • @bobalmond8257
    @bobalmond8257 13 годин тому

    The Russian military has used this sort of tactic before. It isn’t new. They had convict and punishment battalions during WWII. The military personnel that committed some offense against military order were moved to these forces and used to soften German strongpoints. They simply poured bodies at the German invaders. Remember Stalin ordered “not one step back”. Russian troops were forbidden retreat as an option. Even then their military was composed of poorly trained and armed troops strengthened by a core of better equipped and trained soldiers. At Stalingrad Russian forces advanced with soldiers unarmed with instruction to pick up fallen comrades’ weapons and continue the fight.

  • @icon-emerald9517
    @icon-emerald9517 17 годин тому +1

    I wonder what the Surveillance drones have been doing to improve the ability to close gaps due to lack of man-power.

  • @johanneslinnemann6660
    @johanneslinnemann6660 День тому +5

    Hey Preston, around 10:00 there's a tiny line at the bottom of the frame where we can see your body... didn't move the overlaying footage down far enough 😂

  • @lizardjr.7826
    @lizardjr.7826 День тому +8

    Great reporting. No one in the western media is talking about.

  • @looinrims
    @looinrims 12 годин тому

    It’s worth remembering the conversion algebra, western platoons are usually 39-74, in Russia platoons are 22 men, company sized formations about 76 men
    It is slightly easier to train

  • @kierenalvarez
    @kierenalvarez 10 годин тому +1

    When your president checks his watch and doesn't give a crap about military deaths, I don't think Americans can comment on how expendqble someone elses forces are.

  • @robyee3325
    @robyee3325 День тому +2

    Great content!

  • @Reza1984_
    @Reza1984_ День тому +1

    Thanks for your report and honest content

    • @andywre1760
      @andywre1760 21 годину тому

      The believe in such an "honest" content about "human waves" e.t.c. lead us to situation, when russians controlling the sky, have more artillery, taking UA ground non-stop and outside of short mobilization never had to do so in contrast to Ukraine. Stop lying to yourself, thinking that this somehow will help Ukraine. Time to cut the deal, or we will end up with yet another country in line with Iraq and Afghanistan. It seams that we never learn from our mistakes.

  • @Shinbusan
    @Shinbusan 14 годин тому

    What is enormous they did unthinkable thing. To this day soldiers were grouped to have higher morale and fire effectivness. Especially Russians always needed oficer supervision. And now they send 2-5 team to fight alone. And not for scouts or sof, but for low quality infantry. This is really innovative on a full blown battlefield.

  • @PlanetWalking-qd8gv
    @PlanetWalking-qd8gv 10 годин тому +1

    Certainly if internet heads tells you something, it must be truth

  • @cow_mangler510
    @cow_mangler510 2 години тому

    This entire video:
    "This uninvolved guy said..."
    "That uninvolved guy said..."
    "Prigozhin said (nevermind him saying it just to get a reaction from russians to hopefully help his rebellion later)..."
    Not a single interview, five (5) drone photos. Great reporting

  • @thabo.s_archives7756
    @thabo.s_archives7756 21 годину тому +1

    You should look for the wagner pmc leader's interview. the convict recruitments stopped, but if anyone watched the full video of prison vid. he stated rules for joining wagner, History Legend covers the wagner PMC including it's commanders.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 годин тому

      Just to clarify, History Legends posted his drunked meltdown when the Kharkiv offensive had massive success. He is not an impartial source.

  • @hazonku
    @hazonku 14 годин тому +2

    US feverishly taking notes for the Pacific in 2030.

  • @simsonyee
    @simsonyee 4 години тому +1

    In war men become disposable

  • @macsenhayes
    @macsenhayes 20 годин тому +1

    Wagner had losses because they are a merc group and don't have full combined-arms. Also there was a shell shortage. Now that their tactics have been consumed by the regular army losses are far more manageable than Bakmut days.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 годин тому

      They had tanks, artillery and a few Su-25s.
      The Russian army also accused Wagner of requesting so many shells the rest of the Russian army was suffering because of it.

    • @macsenhayes
      @macsenhayes Годину тому

      @@ChucksSEADnDEAD the whole army was lacking shells and drones and they didn't have air-soace for constant FAB attacks.

  • @heberje
    @heberje День тому +9

    Outstanding HELP 99

  • @BlackRifleBear
    @BlackRifleBear 16 годин тому +1

    Those guys at 5:20 are telegraphing their position and don't even know it.

  • @phineascampbell3103
    @phineascampbell3103 7 годин тому

    Because I was halfway through typing a comment when autoplay moved it from my last video onto this one, my screen didn't update properly, so where it says what channel this is, apparently, this video is an upload by The Onion!
    Which is quite a change of style for them, this content is a different kind of comedy to their usual stuff!

  • @emberspirit6375
    @emberspirit6375 14 годин тому +1

    Sure...Ukraine 5 waves of forced mobilization and 6th on its way...Also theres a proposal to a Verkhovna Rada to allow forced mobilization of 18-25 y.o men...its OBVIOUS that attrition goes in Ukraines favor😂😂😂

  • @4epa1012
    @4epa1012 День тому +10

    So Ukraine doesn't have disposable troops? Ah, yeh I forgot, they have only 31k loses...

    • @Kelvinpaul4
      @Kelvinpaul4 23 години тому

      Ukraine has to be careful with troop deployment as they don't have the population to do meat waves, as the Russians do and have done for the last 100 years.

    • @darenzy
      @darenzy 19 годин тому

      @@Kelvinpaul4 Yet, we never seen any evidence of those supposed meat waves. Western propaganda based on the battle of Stalingrad, and not the real stories, but from Hollywood movies.

    • @4epa1012
      @4epa1012 8 годин тому

      @@Kelvinpaul4 Loooool I am amazed and really amused sometimes by the people's way of thinking. So why the Ukrainians keep hijacking people from the streets and chuck them on the front? The mobilization in Ukraine has never stopped if you are not aware of this. Wondering why is that? Shortage of people probably? And why is this shortage of people? Not because they lost 31k, is it?

  • @davesaunders568
    @davesaunders568 Годину тому

    Thanks Preston 👍

  • @darkwangel26
    @darkwangel26 23 години тому +10

    Am... Bullshit... Am... Bullshit...

  • @EasedBluntman
    @EasedBluntman 19 годин тому +1

    This is all metal gear solid prophecy coming to fruition.

  • @buddhachimp9226
    @buddhachimp9226 18 годин тому +1

    Keep up the good work Preston, love your channel and the fact that you're raising money for the boys on the front. Slava Ukraine

  • @Goldfinch23
    @Goldfinch23 14 годин тому

    Bakhmut was a bizarre, the russians say they held on to entrench the Ukrainians and build up reserves and the uks say they where trying to waste russian lives, overall the city fell, tens of thousands died and the lines moved back to the cities behind, kramatorsk and serverodonetsk and the patter just repeats it self.

  • @Twitch760
    @Twitch760 День тому +4

    Reminds me of the Dirty Dozen one of my favorite movies. I frankly have no trouble at all with penal units. I guarantee you if WW3 starts you will see US Penal Units again just like WW2.

  • @longwildernesswalks
    @longwildernesswalks 23 години тому +1

    RU only stopped using convicts so they could 'fit in' in the modern world. RU simply turned the switch back on. This was common practice in WWII and countless other wars started by RU.

  • @danielallan8061
    @danielallan8061 День тому +4

    Every army at war has troops it considers disposable or acceptable to lose. Sad but true.

    • @zedeyejoe
      @zedeyejoe День тому

      Never known that in the British army.

    • @danielallan8061
      @danielallan8061 6 годин тому

      @@zedeyejoe Do you not think officers ordering recon by fire think there are acceptable losses? Also, NATO has not fought an attritional war. Nor a trench war.

    • @zedeyejoe
      @zedeyejoe 2 години тому

      @@danielallan8061 In the Russian army you do what you are told, end of. As Stalin said: 'It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Soviet army'. But attacks regardless of losses are not smart.
      I don't think NATO has ever fought any fought any sort of war. But the troops of its countries have, many of them. You are right the West does not fight attritional wars, they are hard, brutal and fast. Air power is used to a great extent. Air power is not something Ukraine has not had access to. Hopefully the F16s will change that. They have proved to be highly effective in other wars.

  • @MrHowardMoon
    @MrHowardMoon 6 годин тому

    Can I get the source for Wagner using "convicts" as disposable troops?

    • @offjofce
      @offjofce 5 годин тому

      The source is: "trust me bro, I'm an American".

    • @MrHowardMoon
      @MrHowardMoon 5 годин тому

      @@offjofce Unless someone can provide me with a valid source, I'm going to assume that it is simply another "trust me bro, I'm an American" source. It probably comes from the RU penal battalions of WW2.

  • @bananbananowy3552
    @bananbananowy3552 День тому +1

    Great vid!

  • @mhh7544
    @mhh7544 21 годину тому +4

    I quote famous green politician of my country, who actually was eco fascist. He didnt value human life at all. He was asked how he feels about famine deaths in Africa, and why its always the poor countries who take the hardest blows. He said, he dont care who dies and where, as long as they die.

    • @Greenlandshark77
      @Greenlandshark77 18 годин тому +1

      Are you from Equatorial Guinea?

    • @mhh7544
      @mhh7544 10 годин тому

      @@Greenlandshark77 Finland

  • @mongothedestroyer88
    @mongothedestroyer88 18 годин тому

    As a veteran these tactics make me sick to my stomach. Russia has not made substantial gains in this war with these tactics and could have had combat effective infantry by now if they actually took the time to train them. Instead they throw lives away because it’s cheaper/easier. I have no words.

  • @jhhyuu_DaveIsNoProfessor
    @jhhyuu_DaveIsNoProfessor 21 годину тому +2

    0:27-0:40 NO better deal bcuz then they'll just be admitted in the same position. Think about they go home, not back to jail, however, they'll be re-assigned just like everyone else. Now that they're free, they're considered applicable to be treated like the rest. Meaning: they'll be in this war zone until it's over as well too.

  • @adriantepes-qu8wm
    @adriantepes-qu8wm 10 годин тому

    This is an attritional war and high casualties are not a "Russian phenomenon". The Brits had 60 000 casualties in the Battle of Verdun and this just on the first day.

  • @annehersey9895
    @annehersey9895 16 годин тому

    What’s so sad in the way they used exactly as ‘disposable’ never takes into account that to these husbands, sons, fathers and brothers, they were NOT disposable! Mothers and wives grieved every bit as much as regular killed troops mothers and wives. Their kids still will grow up fatherless.

  • @CV_CA
    @CV_CA 20 годин тому +4

    Remember Napoleon burn down Moscow the Russians did not give up. The Third Reich had millions of Russian prisoners and made it to the Volga river still the Russians did not give up. How can you hope they will give up this time?

    • @MrZlocktar
      @MrZlocktar 17 годин тому

      ​@@savethefrogzSo, in other words - never

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 годин тому

      They were on the defensive then. And in WWII they had US aid.

    • @HanSolo__
      @HanSolo__ 7 годин тому

      😂

  • @leifsoderman
    @leifsoderman День тому +1

    Thanks, pretty interesting to hear how they used those inmates in the Wagner group and how the Russian army used the same tactiics but kept the inmates in the army.

  • @quintrankid8045
    @quintrankid8045 День тому +1

    I wonder how those Russian penal units compare to penal units during WW2, both Red Army and Wehrmacht.

  • @rbstevns1534
    @rbstevns1534 21 годину тому

    I’m guessing the fatality rate in the convict meat assaults was 70-90%

  • @gambajoel
    @gambajoel День тому +3

    From Nigeria 🇳🇬. Simply enjoy your analyses.

  • @bobflatman278
    @bobflatman278 День тому

    It wasn't until the beginning of February that UA started using regular army as the majority of troops in the fight. Until then the majority of troops came from TDF with a mixture of national guards units and border security elements. By February theses forces were attricted to a non functional capacity.

  • @scubasteve-zr1cv
    @scubasteve-zr1cv 22 години тому

    Walther Model noticed that Russian attacks tended to be more successful against a strongpoint defense, and whenever possible he used continuous lines. I can't help but wonder how what the difference in training is, if any, for these troops.

  • @Bugman541
    @Bugman541 День тому +7

    Its pronounced Vagner, 'W' in German makes a 'V' sound.

    • @PrestonStewart
      @PrestonStewart  День тому +13

      If you were speaking German sure, but as it’s written and sounded out in English, it’s with the W. You’ll find W is used by the vast majority of folks who have studied the organization since their inception.

    • @yghhhhrffv
      @yghhhhrffv День тому +3

      @@PrestonStewartbut it’s a name not a word.

    • @seadude45
      @seadude45 16 годин тому +1

      ​​@@yghhhhrffvjust toss it in with the slew of heterophonic names across languages. American English in particular does this, and not only with names.

  • @Beanbag753
    @Beanbag753 День тому +1

    Fascinating, thanks

  • @daniellucena9694
    @daniellucena9694 18 годин тому

    100% disposable they are!!! In Afghanistan Wagners attacked an american position,so the US govrmt asked the ruzzians if there were ruzzian militars fighting the american position,and they say:"NO".So the US sent some troops and they anihilated them...Ruzzia wasn't able to speak a word about it.

  • @jonshive5482
    @jonshive5482 17 годин тому

    IIRC Progozhin himself admitted in a translated viddy that Wagner lost 60,000 killed and wounded taking Bakhmut out of 78,000 engaged. Those are
    prohibitive losses by practically any standard and would hardly seem to be sustainable. Which may explain why an expanded Russian military now often seeks to at least "operationally" encircle strongly held bastions like Vuhledar and Selidove by attacking their flanks. Trouble is, given the prevalence and lethality of drones along much of the front even attacking flanks can be costly as open fields---hitherto considered great environments for armored assaults---are now potential killing grounds from above.

  • @rffromusa8319
    @rffromusa8319 22 години тому +3

    I will never forget the wagner sledgehammer. Nor the beheading. Just disgusting!

    • @pwrm8721
      @pwrm8721 20 годин тому

      Who was the guy they killed?
      Sure sure, looks all brutal, but that doesn't matter, who'd they kill?

  • @ZhivkoIvanov-pq9eb
    @ZhivkoIvanov-pq9eb 12 годин тому +3

    Half of the video is like „Somebody heard from a friend, that heard from other friend… so we can make the conclusion „ , but the comments are even better!

  • @wnaes38
    @wnaes38 День тому +3

    Early bird gets the worm

  • @heberje
    @heberje День тому +1

    Those were some battle-hard groups you mentioned.

  • @homelessjesse9453
    @homelessjesse9453 21 годину тому +12

    Notice this dork has said nothing about the Ukraine collapse in Kursk as well as forced conscription?

    • @jonyoung4793
      @jonyoung4793 20 годин тому +3

      You both are hilarious. Tell us o sages of the putler what is really going on in the "special" military operation.
      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @horstnietzsche1923
      @horstnietzsche1923 20 годин тому

      Must be rough sucking on, putin he's so angry these days.

    • @darenzy
      @darenzy 19 годин тому +1

      @@horstnietzsche1923 You can always join Cocainsky's army, what are you waiting for? Trolling online seems safer?

    • @homelessjesse9453
      @homelessjesse9453 17 годин тому +1

      @@darenzythey’re too cowardly to do such a thing though. 😂

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 годин тому

      ​@@darenzy It's Russia that's begging for foreigners, though.

  • @gabrielrodriguez821
    @gabrielrodriguez821 20 годин тому

    Wagner actually sounds like they use traditional Russian tactics with brutal enforcement of discipline on highly active hardern infantry, who are able to absorb large amounts of casualties. Seen as purely disposable.
    And like the Soviet/ Russian army put on the open field, they can't coordinate large maneuvers, become disjointed while not using the concept of combined arms as any equivalent modern military would cut them to pieces.

  • @ekevanderzee9538
    @ekevanderzee9538 14 годин тому

    And now they have North Koreans

  • @PersonalityMalfunction
    @PersonalityMalfunction 17 годин тому

    What you refer to as disposable troops is actually called "skirmishers" in military nomenclature. Skirmishers were "invented" inside the envelope of organised, battalion sized infantry in the new organisation of the French, Napoleonic military structure. The skirmishers were used as diversion and in shaping operations to allow line infantry to operate in its traditional firing lines by targeting officers, supply routes,ambushes and generally by being a nuisance for the opposing infantry. The concept died away after the Napoleonic Wars but returned a year or so into the trench wars of WW1 and was expanded and refined into the German storm troops. The concept was further developed during the inter war period and evolved into commando units and the early special forces. At the end of WW2, line infantry essentially ceased to exist and all took on aspects of skirmishing units. Post WW2, in the era of peacekeeping operations and insurgent wars, skirmishing again fell out of favour and was supplanted by manoeuvre warfare, heavily relying on armour as the assault forces. Now, with the re-emergence of trench warfare in Ukraine, it has come full circle and skirmishers are again ruling the battlefield.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 годин тому

      They're not skirmishers. They're not diversion. They're assaulters that deploy in waves. Some waves have diggers who carry entrenching tools to build hasty fighting position. They're not expected to use them. It's for the next assault. Some waves are "mules" who carry ammunition and supplies to these fighting positions. So what you get is a creeping advance that covers terrain in the open at the cost of troops. So the lower skilled men go first.

  • @LepKraj
    @LepKraj 7 годин тому

    How many of the group at 11:45 are still alive? Crazy to think they could all be gone.

  • @LTGmaster
    @LTGmaster 13 годин тому

    it's not unique, it's how Russia was fighting in second WW

  • @johnwalsh4857
    @johnwalsh4857 13 годин тому

    and also foreign volunteers in Z units, yah I watched Russian foreign volunteers videos and it seems these days the majority of recruits in Z units are foreign volunteers and they put in some convicts in there or Russian soliders who pissed off their officers. the death rate is 75 percent by end of the month for these Z units. life expectancy a few days.

  • @dartagnan1954
    @dartagnan1954 15 годин тому +4

    You keep painting them as the bad guys , remember when you came to Iraq for no reason ?

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 годин тому

      I mean Iraq spent like a decade openly breaking the 1991 ceasefire conditions.

    • @dartagnan1954
      @dartagnan1954 6 годин тому

      @@ChucksSEADnDEAD let’s assume what you said is true
      What kind of threat did Iraq had against America ?
      Their whole military was wiped off by US Air Force
      They just came back from a painful 8 years of war with Iran
      so basically
      Every experienced soldier is either dead or seriously injured
      Wtf man use your brain for once

  • @ryanm7832
    @ryanm7832 16 годин тому

    I wonder how effective that drone gun is. I assume it's some kind of jamming device. Also, what are the dots around the 5:00-5:45 marks? It appears to be IR related; reflections off a patch or something? It's a cluster of those dots aimed in one spot, and the speaker steps in and out of them.

  • @KMAisr
    @KMAisr 22 години тому

    Hard for me to grasp this idea of disposable soldiers.. its your people, its people.. wtf

  • @4nc13nt
    @4nc13nt День тому +4

    😂😂
    The leader of Wanker group
    😂😂
    That always cracks me up.

  • @Kokoda144
    @Kokoda144 23 години тому

    WW1 troops were considered disposable. It took 4 years for all countries to start running low on men. With a a birth rate that might happen faster in this war.