SM.79 - The Italian Record-Breaking Hunchback

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  • The Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 was a record-breaking fast transport that was converted for military service, becoming the most common Italian bomber and possibly the best-known Italian aircraft of the Second World War.
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    - Savoia-Marchetti S.79 Sparviero - Luigino Caliaro
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    - Ali D'Italia SIAI S.79 Part 1 & 2 - Cesare Gori
    - The Savoia Marchetti S.M.79 - Profile Number 89 - Giorgio Apostolo
    - Savoia Marchetti S.79 in action - Roberto Gentilli
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  • @giancarlotomaselli8889
    @giancarlotomaselli8889 Рік тому +23

    My father was an SM 79 pilot in 1942 43

  • @lowersaxon
    @lowersaxon Рік тому +19

    The Italian sense for beauty is admirable.

  • @bryangrote8781
    @bryangrote8781 Рік тому +93

    Surprised at the large number of ships sunk or damaged by the torpedo bomber version. Italian aircraft are rarely talked about but overall quite good and under-rated. Beautiful plane.

    • @francescova79
      @francescova79 Рік тому +11

      if u want a true fast plane 100% italian, check the Macchi M.72, greatest race plane of history

    • @Vickzq
      @Vickzq Рік тому +9

      _Sagittario_ was a badass plane...

    • @francescova79
      @francescova79 Рік тому +6

      @@Vickzq Centauro and Veltro too

  • @patrickcloutier6801
    @patrickcloutier6801 Рік тому +54

    It was an SM.79 that put a torpedo into the British battleship, HMS Nelson. The damage knocked it out of the war for months.

    • @McRocket
      @McRocket Рік тому +7

      I think it was an SM.84 that put the torpedo into Nelson.

    • @patrickcloutier6801
      @patrickcloutier6801 Рік тому +8

      @@McRocket You are right! I checked on it, and though there are references which support an S.79 attack, a history of the S.84 mentions the attack on Nelson in particular. It's possible that the S.79 attack against HMS Barham was conflated with the S.84 attack against HMS Nelson.

  • @mcal27
    @mcal27 Рік тому +24

    I used to have a friend who’s father fought on Malta during ww2. he told me that the Gladiators had upgraded superchargers fitted to give them a decent chance of catching the SM-79’s

  • @elisabettamacghille4623
    @elisabettamacghille4623 Рік тому +11

    Beautiful, legendary plane, leaner and more aggressive than a bomber, but sturdier and more massive than a fighter.

  • @Riccardo_Silva
    @Riccardo_Silva Рік тому +55

    It should be pointed out that italian commands fiercely opposed the speciality of torpedo bombers for the 79. It speaks volumes about the awareness and competence of the average fascist high ranking officers!!! Fine video mate! I'm italian and by no means a fascist, but i must say that our brave pilots did miracles with these beautiful planes.

    • @John.McMillan
      @John.McMillan Рік тому +10

      Not really the average, more of the high command. Many were from older wars and/or the great war, and carried that mentality over when WW2 was entirely different, with Great War mentality very quickly being proven as suicidal for troops.

    • @Alesxandros
      @Alesxandros 2 місяці тому

      Badoglio opposed the torpedo bomber program, and he was a known traitor payed by mi6

  • @joerosa2532
    @joerosa2532 Рік тому +10

    The SM.79 was a very good plane overall and excellent as a torpedo bomber. My mother is "madrina", godmother to one of Italy's top SM.79 aviators, war hero, Corrado Deodato, who later on became a general in the Italian Air Force. It is surmised that he and his crew even sunk a Leander class cruiser on Nov. 17, 1940 heading towards Alexandria, Egypt.

  • @brendonbewersdorf986
    @brendonbewersdorf986 Рік тому +39

    Thank you for covering this plane despite being one of the most common Italia aircraft I feel like it's not talked about very much I would also love to see you talk about it's successor the CANT Z1007 the Italian trimotors are fascinating

  • @manricobianchini5276
    @manricobianchini5276 Рік тому +15

    Yes, and other aircraft to mention is the Macchi series of fighters. The Folgore and the Veltro.

  • @petesheppard1709
    @petesheppard1709 Рік тому +40

    A very unusual-looking aircraft, but quite capable indeed, for its time.

    • @scottessery100
      @scottessery100 9 місяців тому +1

      Spitfire pilot….. hold my cup of tea old chap

    • @petesheppard1709
      @petesheppard1709 9 місяців тому

      @@scottessery100 Yep. Easy pickings.

  • @rogerodle8750
    @rogerodle8750 Рік тому +9

    This was time well spent -- a learning experience for someone whose WWII aircraft knowledge centers around the Americans, Brits, Germans and Japanese.

  • @smigoltime
    @smigoltime Рік тому +20

    and once more, a plane I love

  • @fload46d
    @fload46d Рік тому +13

    This should be no surprise as the Italians have consistently marketed the most beautiful and powerful sports cars in the world.

  • @kingofgameing2774
    @kingofgameing2774 Рік тому +15

    Not only do I think the plane looks very beautiful. But I also enjoy playing it in games. Good job on the video.

  • @rob5944
    @rob5944 Рік тому +17

    🎄 Merry Christmas all. Just to add that this is yet another example of how the pace of technological change taking place in the 1930s overlook a once promising design.

  • @uio890138
    @uio890138 Рік тому +19

    Such a beautiful plane, and looks so natural carrying torpedoes.

  • @augustosolari7721
    @augustosolari7721 Рік тому +10

    The Italian Breda B88 Lince was also another record setting Italian design.

    • @roykliffen9674
      @roykliffen9674 Рік тому +2

      Like crashability? I believe its reputation was far from ideal

    • @augustosolari7721
      @augustosolari7721 Рік тому +6

      @@roykliffen9674 yes, but before war service it had broken speed records

  • @fistofthetiger1591
    @fistofthetiger1591 Рік тому +21

    It looks like the world's first three engine heavy fighter. Very nice lines and it looks faster that it is. With more powerful engines and a dedicated redesign to extend the bomb bay, it could have been a contender for Best Bomber in WW2.

  • @FRIEND_711
    @FRIEND_711 Рік тому +3

    Sank 80 ships and damaged 100 even making "Torpedo Aces" 0o0
    I personally love S.M.79 and I did know that they were more useful as torpedo bombers but I never really tallied the number like that...for a plane made in 1934 that is incredible.

  • @WilmerCook
    @WilmerCook Рік тому +6

    I always like the looks of the hunchback.

  • @cvtsboy
    @cvtsboy Рік тому +4

    A great plane. Three engines are a perfect answer for speed and load.

  • @romanbrough
    @romanbrough Рік тому +3

    I recall reading a book about the Mediterranean air and naval war. The only plane the Royal Navy worried about was the SM79 torpedo bomber. The other Italian attack aircraft were considered almost harmless

  • @mikepette4422
    @mikepette4422 Рік тому +5

    As it was pointed out the plane was a 1934 design. Even though it had a lot of good qualities its main drawback was when it was designed. This is a very old plane for WWII. The fact that it was pretty good all round kept it relevant but by mid-war you had to admit it was showing its age. An updated design would have benefited Italy greatly but then again their industry was just not capable of keeping up anyway

    • @alecblunden8615
      @alecblunden8615 Рік тому +2

      A little known Boeing design called the B-17 first flew in 1935, meaning its design probably predated that of the SM 79.Mind you, that was a limited design too.

  • @mbryson2899
    @mbryson2899 Рік тому +10

    Thank you for researching, recording, and sharing this vid, I really enjoyed it.

  • @PaulIsOpPlsNerf
    @PaulIsOpPlsNerf Рік тому +6

    Italy did what they could with the industry they had, even then their air force had fighters the germans regarded as superior as their BF 109, the ground forces had the beretta SMG that the germans stole as many as they could after the armistice and their navy forced the british to keep a big fleet on the mediteranean just to keep them in check.

  • @dallesamllhals9161
    @dallesamllhals9161 Рік тому +7

    If pre-war and fast: Heinkel He 100

  • @DarkAlex1978
    @DarkAlex1978 Рік тому +2

    One of the main problems of Italy is that at the time was for the most part an agricoltural and artisanal country. Yes there was a fair share of industry but there was not the necessary experience to organize and coordinate properly the level of mass production (and the required resources) to sustain a such demanding war effort.

  • @57tricci
    @57tricci 3 місяці тому +2

    Loved all the positive and historical true statements on this video, grazie, grazie tanto tanto tanto.

  • @mrbroeders
    @mrbroeders 6 місяців тому +1

    One of my favourite planes

  • @MWM-dj6dn
    @MWM-dj6dn Рік тому +2

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  • @dubyacwh7978
    @dubyacwh7978 Рік тому +1

    At the end the bombs spelled out with Buon Natale means Merry Christmas in Italian

  • @GiorgioBeltrammi
    @GiorgioBeltrammi Рік тому +3

    Great job, thanks a lot. Grazie Tante 🙂

  • @iffracem
    @iffracem Рік тому +4

    A good video would be one about the three Gladiators on Malta they were called "Faith" "Hope" and "Charity"

    • @ngauruhoezodiac3143
      @ngauruhoezodiac3143 Рік тому

      At the beginning of the siege there were 10 Gladiators in Malta but 7 of them were still in crates. There was a time when only one was airworthy. After a month with the completion of a better airport Malta started receiving Hurricanes. It was anti aircraft guns that accounted for most of the Italian losses.

  • @craigpennington1251
    @craigpennington1251 Рік тому +1

    Different but I like it and the stats don't lie. A good performer.

  • @joeambaye8681
    @joeambaye8681 Рік тому

    Thanks for an informative video and happy new year 🎉

  • @manricobianchini5276
    @manricobianchini5276 Рік тому +3

    Merry Christmas to you

  • @patrickcloutier6801
    @patrickcloutier6801 Рік тому +5

    One wonders how the early war in the Mediterranean might have turned out, if, instead of giving a few dozen SM.79s to Franco after the Spanish Civil War, they had instead been made available to the Regia Aeronautica as torpedo bombers. Just a few dozen more - what might the difference have been?

    • @brettt8246
      @brettt8246 Рік тому +1

      Well, the Fleet Air Arm used the 'Stringbag' Fairey Swordfish torbedo bomber throughout WW2 with almost impunity, a far older design that outlived two replacements. Their successful attack on Italy's Naval Base at Taranto was what gave the Imperial Japanese the idea to attack Pearl Harbor later in the war. Italy's main problem was the UK's presence in Malta, a natural 'aircraft carrier'

    • @mellilore
      @mellilore Рік тому +3

      @@brettt8246 RADAR: despite the fact that Italian Guglielmo Marconi invented radio, Italy had no Radar. The Brits did.

  • @laurencegerrard8044
    @laurencegerrard8044 Рік тому +1

    RAF pilots used to refer to these as "Briant and May jobs" this being a manufacturer of matches in the uk.
    This was due to the lack of armor plate and self sealing fuel tanks making them very prone to bursting into flames.

    • @lolloblue9646
      @lolloblue9646 9 місяців тому +2

      It *did* have self-sealing fuel tanks, though

    • @AlexBfetrop
      @AlexBfetrop 8 місяців тому +4

      I think they were the usual propaganda rumors, in reality the sparrowhawk was an excellent hit taker and the incidents of fire on board were very rare. This was based on the pilots reports

  • @ultor7654
    @ultor7654 Рік тому

    Wonderful documentary! Thank you so much Sir for your passion and knowledge. And of course Happy New Year!

  • @Tiagomottadmello
    @Tiagomottadmello 10 місяців тому +1

    Great, great vídeo ! 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @BrianWMay
    @BrianWMay Рік тому +1

    Fascinating, thank you.

  • @mattlind2026
    @mattlind2026 Рік тому +2

    Enjoyed the vid on one of my favourite planes

  • @McRocket
    @McRocket Рік тому +2

    Happy Holidays and a fantastic New Year, to you/all!!!

  • @patriot8554
    @patriot8554 Рік тому +1

    Another excellent upload. Thankyou

  • @42willys4
    @42willys4 Рік тому

    Great video

  • @BobMuir100
    @BobMuir100 Рік тому +2

    Excellent, I knew very little before.
    Bob
    England

  • @martentrudeau6948
    @martentrudeau6948 Рік тому +1

    Interesting Italian airplane. Good video.

  • @MWM-dj6dn
    @MWM-dj6dn Рік тому +1

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  • @phann860
    @phann860 5 місяців тому

    Every combatant had problems with torpedoes, the US subs and German subs had many torpedoes which didn't perform. An excellent presentation.

  • @jamesbugbee9026
    @jamesbugbee9026 Рік тому +1

    Buon natale!

  • @chrisbrice2003
    @chrisbrice2003 5 місяців тому

    Great video thanks, it would be interesting to compare the SM79 to the Bristol Beaufort/Beaufighter

  • @puppetguy8726
    @puppetguy8726 Рік тому +1

    My favourite ww2 medium bomber

  • @daviddunne4737
    @daviddunne4737 Місяць тому

    Great video. Very interesting aircraft. Italy did produce some very fine aircraft in ww2.

  • @piersp38
    @piersp38 Рік тому +3

    The fighter Fiat G55 " Centauro " , interceptor made for the very ambitious target of the air supremacy on the Italian Sky , Is worth to be mentioned

    • @Platos-Den
      @Platos-Den 2 місяці тому

      Better than the Macchi 207??

    • @piersp38
      @piersp38 2 місяці тому

      @@Platos-Den I guess you meant the MC 205 . This Is controversial, surely said by those Regia's pilots, Macchi were the horsepower of the Italian Royal Air Force and derivated splits by the civil war . Si both were appreciated, I remember ANR air force pilots [ National republican air force , allied to Luftwaffe] saying the Fiat G55 was better performing at the high altitude against the bombers.

  • @massimovolpe
    @massimovolpe 2 місяці тому

    Nel libro "Il gruppo Buscaglia" vi è la testimonianza di uno Spitfire che abbatté un SM79 che a sua volta abbatté lo Spitfire l'SM79 fece un ammaraggio e il pilota inglese si lanciò con il paracadute l'equipaggio italiano sapeva che laereo poteva rimanere a galla diverse ore proma di inabissarsi quindi salirono sopra la fusoliera dopo aver aperto il battello di salvataggio e legato all' aereo poi fecero salire a bordo il pilota inglese che aveva il battello di salvataggio danneggiato,qualche ora dopo arrivò un idrovolante italiano a recuperarli tutti.

  • @paulcateiii
    @paulcateiii Рік тому +2

    nice video

  • @vac65
    @vac65 3 місяці тому

    Good show! But mabye it will be usefull to treat also the variants build in Romania under licence.

  • @ngauruhoezodiac3143
    @ngauruhoezodiac3143 Рік тому +2

    Imagine the performance if it had BMW engines with 2 speed superchargers.

  • @user-ho3dz1ft1r
    @user-ho3dz1ft1r 5 місяців тому

    Ww2 planes are my favorite

  • @Casandrauwo
    @Casandrauwo Рік тому +1

    Excellent work as always, and you may not know it but I think someone copied the G.55 video from you.

  • @thunderstorm8926
    @thunderstorm8926 2 дні тому

    I’m a year late . G55,RE2005 ,Z1007 : )

  • @paktahn
    @paktahn Рік тому +3

    i first learned of this plane from warthunder but never knew about the hunch back nickname for it but was what i called it because the back blister is arguable its most defining feature except for maybe the triple engine setup

  • @onerimeuse
    @onerimeuse Рік тому +1

    Well... shit. Guess I'm gonna have to go play warthunder for a bit then and jump in my Italian tech tree.

  • @1joshjosh1
    @1joshjosh1 4 місяці тому

    I have been to Gozo

  • @samuelbean9928
    @samuelbean9928 Рік тому +15

    There is such a biased view toward Italian forces during WWII. They did their best and they had some of the best aircraft and best troops. Buon Natale! to all and to all a good night!

    • @iffracem
      @iffracem Рік тому +7

      Yes, the Italian Soldier, Sailor and Airman was at least the equal of any nation and did not deserve the "surrender monkey" title. They suffered from very poor leadership. Officer promotion was based on family and political ties, and money often bought rank. They also suffered from Mussolini and the high commands very poor preparations for the war, and limited industrial capacity to build arms and machinery. This even effected the Italian forces after they joined the allies..

    • @jesperlykkeberg7438
      @jesperlykkeberg7438 Рік тому +1

      Italy definitely had the dumbest leader of any great power. Imagine how prosperous and politically strong Italy could have been if Italy had pulled from the axis, stayed neutral and used their resources to find oil in Libya rather than declaring war against France. The declaration of war was Italy´s downfall and literally Mussolini´s suicide.

    • @lowersaxon
      @lowersaxon Рік тому

      @@iffracemThis is what I‘ve heard and read as well.

    • @tonyromano6220
      @tonyromano6220 Рік тому

      Lol, with good reason. Italy was not really up to speed to support a modern war.

    • @hakapeszimaki8369
      @hakapeszimaki8369 Рік тому +3

      @@iffracem Rommel proved that the Italian troops could perform if leadership was good and logistic supply is delivered.

  • @markr.1984
    @markr.1984 Рік тому

    Surely those speeds are true airspeed at altitude, not indicated airspeed.

  • @kaletovhangar
    @kaletovhangar Рік тому

    Ironically,Yugoslav royal air force sm.79s bombed Italian positions in Albania and at Adriatic sea during the brief april war of 1941.

  • @pierredecine1936
    @pierredecine1936 2 місяці тому

    You DO NOT 'refuel" an Air Bottle !

  • @psychiatry-is-eugenics
    @psychiatry-is-eugenics Рік тому +1

    should have converted it to a twin engine fighter

  • @LeopardIL2
    @LeopardIL2 Рік тому

    Another Trimotored airliner that became a Bomber. No wonder Italy's casualties in North Africa.

  • @underworldfromparteigenose4182

    Mosquito

  • @johnrestucci8269
    @johnrestucci8269 Рік тому +2

    To bad Italy fought on the wrong side ..

    • @dennisroyhall121
      @dennisroyhall121 8 місяців тому

      Never join a war with Italians on the same side….no prizes!

  • @duanerice-mason2115
    @duanerice-mason2115 Рік тому

    ITALY PERFORMANCE IN THE WAR WAS TERRIBLE

  • @viz12345
    @viz12345 Рік тому +1

    italian accent

    • @lorenzor2555
      @lorenzor2555 5 місяців тому +1

      Definitely no. He pronounce many italian words in a wrong way. Like “Regia”, which he pronunces “rejìa” with an “i”, while in italian “gi” is spelled just as a simple “j”.
      I think that the narrator could be french or slavic, I don’t know, not italian for sure

  • @misterbig9025
    @misterbig9025 Рік тому +4

    I wish the Axis powers won WW2 in Europe!!

  • @joaquimraurellmarti6095
    @joaquimraurellmarti6095 Рік тому +1

    How strange that no the word Fascist was used in this content. They helped the Fascist Spaniards because they where Fascist Italians under the crazy Conde Rosi, a fanatic Fascist that was known by his brutal treatment of locals and enemies alike. They where known as "Pava" in catalan by the population. They got the range to bomb Barcelona from Mallorca at will, mostly it's population. When it was cloudy in Barcelona they used to go to several neighboring smaller cities bombing markets on Sundays because they where not threated by any fighters and as good Fascists they wanted to exterminate the enemy, meaning killing all the population, civilians first.
    To this day the pilots in Rome are still convinced they did a god job killing "Communists"(meaning bombing cities and it's citizens).
    Luckily my gran mother run to the woods when my city became a target to avoid them... What the.. I will repeat it: FASCISTS.

    • @marcodorazio4123
      @marcodorazio4123 Рік тому +1

      nothing fake in your words. I feel ashamed about, as Italian.

    • @rafaelcasadoinfante4324
      @rafaelcasadoinfante4324 4 місяці тому

      ​@@marcodorazio4123gracias por reconocer el daño que los fascistas italianos junto con los nazis alemanes hicieron a la población civil española a través de la aviación.

  • @zillsburyy1
    @zillsburyy1 Рік тому +1

    italians lol.....

  • @hawnyfox3411
    @hawnyfox3411 Рік тому +2

    Amazing to think SM.79's were still flying in the Lebanese Air Force as late as 1954
    They used TWO of them as "stars" in the 1954 British Film called "They Who Dare" (see below)
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Who_Dare#Production
    AFAIK, it's available over on D.V.D & is often screened on "Talking Pictures TV" channel
    Dirk Bogarde stars in the lead-role, along with Denholm Elliot**
    **(who decades later starred with Eddie Murphy & Jamie Lee Curtis in the 1983 film, "Trading Places")
    I was REALLY shocked when I saw the SM.79's in that 1954 film & wondered as to "why" they weren't saved ?
    I built several AIRFIX SM.79's as a kid & even today, have x 6 of the 1/48th Trumpeter kits unmade
    So yeah, I "love" the plane, even tho' it was (back then), an "enemy bomber"

    • @piersp38
      @piersp38 Рік тому +1

      In reality They have been saved and well preserved . They are both in 2 different museums in Italy, bought by engineering of the air lovers and former veterans associations, restored and exposed at the Caproni 's Museum of the city of Trento and the second at the most important airplans Museum in Italy, the Vigna di Valle , close to Rome .

    • @hawnyfox3411
      @hawnyfox3411 Рік тому +1

      @@piersp38 = I'm impressed - I thought there was only ONE left ?
      Another irony is, whilst I met my Son over Christmas, he's over in Italy right now !
      He has (& lives with), his beautiful Italian G/f & they are over, visiting her Mother right now.
      Sadly, he DOESN'T share my love of aircraft, as I was bought-up during "The AIRFIX era" (kits)
      It was when building (in my youth), TWO of the SM.79's that I fell in love with them**
      **(despite being a former "enemy a/c" & attacking the ships of my nation's Royal Navy)

    • @piersp38
      @piersp38 Рік тому +2

      @@hawnyfox3411 If I am not mistaking, They are the only 2 still " alive " and they can even fly , but I think nor the owners neither the insurences want to risk a potential accident . I can understand It , to Us They are part of Our History, even about a sad while but still Is Our past . Good to know ,your family Is having roots here , it's also a way to build a common future of peace and prosperity. Ask your son to visit them, even if He does not like It the things to do in those two cities are so many, that It Is never a waste of time. Thanks to have shared your experiences with the Sparviero, have a good new year eve .

    • @hawnyfox3411
      @hawnyfox3411 Рік тому +1

      @@piersp38 = Same to YOU Pier & a most Happy New Year to you too !!!!!! (Thanks)
      I've been to Italy twice : Once in 1983 & again in 2003 - (Milan & Bologna)
      Worth mentioning that I have SIX unbuilt 1/48th Spaviero, as I like them THAT much !!!!!