Turkey Is An Asset To NATO || Debate #3
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Often regarded as the bridge linking together Europe and Asia, Turkey has been part of NATO for more than 65 years. But some wonder whether NATO truly benefits from Turkey’s membership, particularly with the country’s potential turn toward authoritarianism under president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. And with the Turkish leader cozying up to Russia and China, we ask: Is Turkey still an important ally to the West?
Michael Doran - Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute & Fmr. Sr. Director, National Security Council
Reuel Marc Gerecht - Senior Fellow, The Foundation for Defense of Democracies & Fmr. CIA Case Officer
Bernard Haykel - Professor of Near Eastern Studies, Princeton University
Brett McGurk - Fmr. Special Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS
Barbara Slavin - Director, The Future of Iran Initiative, The Atlantic Council
Here is some facts:
1-Turkey asked for Patriot missiles for several years and got rejected each time therefore they turn to Russians for S-400.
2-Turkey asked NATO and USA for assistance at the beginning of the Syrian conflict to avoid and control the Russian boldness in the region, the answer was no.
3-Turkey asked EU, US and NATO to consider them as main proxy-director of policies and military movements on Syria and ISIS, the answer was no.
4-Apart from middle East conflicts Turkey is waiting on EU doors for many years, despite they have a more powerful economy and developed structure then many other EU members the answer was a witch hunt and these are before anyone find Erdoğan as an Authoritarian/Islamist, the most honest answer came from Germany's Merkel who said "EU is an Christian union".
5-There were a ceasefire and peace process with P.K.K terrorist group and they broke it as they looked the Syrian and Iraqi situation as failed states which could result in Kurdistan Independence, Therefore they began terrorist operations all over Turkey for destabilizing the state, all of the attacks are documented in the news which in every single one of them the operators came from Southern borders with Iraq and Syria, and again all of them had logistic support from Y.P.G.
6-The failed coup hurt Turkey so much both humanitarian and economically, that night there were at least 260 innocent casualties which have not priority of mentioning in western medias, the Turks have a pile of evidence and open-court documents which links the Gülen Network to the coup, yet none of the Europeans or US prosecute/extradite the felons.
7-The P.K.K had been listed as terrorist organisations by US and EU, yet they are fully active in these countries and get media coverage often with a picture of their leader Abdullah Öcalan in their hands, you can search pictures of them all over the world including in Syria ,protesting while waving the P.K.K flag and Öcalan's pictures. Now you add that all of the main NATO allies of Turkey are helping them in Syria.
Well Said.
bravo
Spoken the truth.
I agree with you
here's a fact: your facts are bullshit
You can see arrogance of "The West" simply by this question. Turkey is an asset to Nato? First of all, Turkey is not an "asset" of "your balance sheet", but a sovereign country with its own interest. An alliance should balance the interests of members, any member should not look others as an "asset" to benefit from.
Mehmet Kazgan or we should ask is NATO an asset to Turkey ?
In this sense by asset they just mean is there value in the relationship with Turkey for Nato. And yeah the question should also be asked to Turks, is being in NATO valuable to Turkey? I would like to hear some opinions of Turks..
@@BrockInTheWorld
Here is one :)
Not Really!
Since the 'Turk is the 'Other' that made the Europeans...Errmm...'Europeans' and...since 80 % of NATO seems to be made up of Europeans and...since the EU lost its edge the Turk could look up to and...also the Turk finally woke up to Real Politic NATO = Babylon!
Need I say more?
Respect and thanks
@@BrockInTheWorld As a Turk, not really. US constantly did the things that every Turkish would condemn.(arresting and putting bags on the heads of our soldiers in Iraq based on made-up accusations, arming the syrian wing of pkk which is a terrorist organization recognized by US too) we asked US for air defence systems but they just basically refused and now they are angry with S-400s. this is hypocrsy. I think Turkey should leave NATO and maybe NATO should take Pkk -ypg -pyd or whatever the fuck name it is
@@BrockInTheWorld Agree. No arrogance here. I think we should remain in Nato. Asset does not necessarily mean an asset. they mean valuable to work with or not. And the answer is yes. West is protected by us. If we were not here, all Europe was invaded by Syrian refuges and possibly by some brutal ISIS elements. And we are the only one country confronted ISIS on the ground and had lost so many great soldiers.
Turkey is a great nation! Support from china
@@yilmazokay6355 Does so unless China massacres the Uighurs.
@@theturbulentworld another u.s. sneaky games "massacres of the uygurs"
we will rise silk road again with china and
with
shanghai pact go home loser
@@TrMortis another so called clever China sucker.
@@theturbulentworld here my cowboy :)
If you have a friend like USA, you don't need any enemy.
Usa cares for noone they only approach you if they want something from you .
Nedim şener
yep 100%
This arrogance will increase more . That’s good for Turkiye no worries here
I mean when you have a close relationship like Australia has with the usa who needs other allies
Mr. McCurk, I'm sorry but you are not telling the truth. In fact, it was Turkey who offered president Obama to go into Suriye together but Obama said "no". It was America's choice to go together with the kurdish militants instead of Turkey. Clearly, US had her own agenda that didn't necessarily fit Turkey's own agenda.
Hi, I've been searching a lot for this on my own, can you please direct me to a source for this? Very interested to read about it. Thanks
@@SlayanicDoom Erdogan asking for a a no-fly zone in North Syria so citizens would be protected from air bombings and not become refugee's acros the world. + Erdogan proposed a joined ground force operation to fight ISIS and it was ready to send 20.000 troops if America would help Turkey fight against ISIS and cover air and logistical support. They refused. Obama litterly told Erdogan in early 2015, we aint gonna work with you ( NATO country ) WE are gonna do it with the YPG a PKK affliated group in Syria. Turkey opposed this idea for years....
LINK 1
www.moonofalabama.org/2015/11/erdogan-establishes-no-fly-zone-over-syria-.html
LINK 2
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33868627
Those are western news outlets. I dont agree with everything stated in it, bc its their view or perspective. I can also share with yo Turkish sources, just replay to me if you have read it
America and Turkey supported at least 4 different Arab groups as opposition before they went to the Kurds. Get ur facts straight
Another Obama fuck-up. Deliberate?
@@SlayanicDoom its false obviously, the source is probably TRT ( erdogans news channel)
#supportTurkey
Much love to my turkish friends from Manchester❤
❣️ Cheers mate from İzmir , Western Turkey.
Thank you, we respect you too!
Thank you 🙏♥️
Idiot
@Crazy Swayze In case you've never took a glance at Turkish history, i have to tell you that no piece of land was given without our blood being shed. The fact that i am from İzmir doesn't mean i find any other city less modern than it. I don't look up to set of values of people whose wealth is built upon a colonialist and segregationist culture if your criteria of defining ''modern'' is based upon Europe. Greetings from Turkey which cannot be confined with adjectives such as western or eastern.
Turkey try 10 years too buye air defense from USA.. USA sayd no.. Now we got Russian one.
@I'm Still Alive wtf u talking turkey don't have Patriot
@@okhanuludag vardı kardeşim türkiyede patriot
@@diablo9228 patriot bize ait değildi. Nato ülkelerinden ödünç olarak gönderilen kontrolü gönderen ülkede olan füzelerdi. Ayrıca her dönem gönderilmedi.
@@gokhandogan5814adam da zaten satın aldı yazmamış ki uzun bir süre vardı türkiyede
@@diablo9228 vardi a a bizim degildi
As for the Eastern Mediterranean, Mr. McCurk, please look on the map and lecture yourself about geography of Turkey and see it yourself that it has almost 2000 km costline in the eastern mediterranean. Greeks are claiming the entire eastern mediterranean as their own, denying Turkey any claim in the region. If you think Turkey would accept such a status quo then you must be very naive.
I think what is difficult for you to accept is that, Turkey is no longer a puppet that it was once. Get over it man!, she has grown up and going her own way that suits her the most.
Turkey legally signed away it's rights to the sea. It has no legal claim to EEZ in the Aegean Sea. Any claims are fictious. The days of gun boat diplomacy are over Mr Erdogan.
Sykes Picot those claims are sinked when greeks didnt agree to make an agrement instead of their wish to take all.
it's the other way around assclown
@Brek Malotta I wasn't responding to you
Well said 👍
I just riposted this
Turkey asked for Patriot missiles for several years and got rejected each time therefore they turn to Russians for S-400.
2-Turkey asked NATO and USA for assistance at the beginning of the Syrian conflict to avoid and control the Russian boldness in the region, the answer was no.
3-Turkey asked EU, US and NATO to consider them as main proxy-director of policies and military movements on Syria and ISIS, the answer was no.
4-Apart from middle East conflicts Turkey is waiting on EU doors for many years, despite they have a more powerful economy and developed structure then many other EU members the answer was a witch hunt and these are before anyone find Erdoğan as an Authoritarian/Islamist, the most honest answer came from Germany's Merkel who said "EU is an Christian union".
5-There were a ceasefire and peace process with P.K.K terrorist group and they broke it as they looked the Syrian and Iraqi situation as failed states which could result in Kurdistan Independence, Therefore they began terrorist operations all over Turkey for destabilizing the state, all of the attacks are documented in the news which in every single one of them the operators came from Southern borders with Iraq and Syria, and again all of them had logistic support from Y.P.G.
6-The failed coup hurt Turkey so much both humanitarian and economically, that night there were at least 260 innocent casualties which have not priority of mentioning in western medias, the Turks have a pile of evidence and open-court documents which links the Gülen Network to the coup, yet none of the Europeans or US prosecute/extradite the felons.
7-The P.K.K had been listed as terrorist organisations by US and EU, yet they are fully active in these countries and get media coverage often with a picture of their leader Abdullah Öcalan in their hands, you can search pictures of them all over the world including in Syria ,protesting while waving the P.K.K flag and Öcalan's pictures. Now you add that all of the main NATO allies of Turkey are helping them in Syria.
You can not change core of a terror organization by changing its name and show them as a peaceful freedom fighter in the region. PKK-YPG-SDG is a seperatist baby,teacher ,civilian (includes Kurds also) killer terror groups in the region which Turkey fought for 40 years. Please research objectively before you start thinking about Turkey .
Pkk-ypg is the enemy of Kurds.
@ohmygoodlord Finally people see the truth
The only reason they want Turkey to remain in NATO and be on the western side is just to not have Turkey as an enemy in case of a conflict or even WW3 in future. This completely means, being friend with someone you don't like, just so if you fight, that friend can help or at least won't be on your enemy's side.
It is more complicated. US doesn't need the oil anymore. The rest of the world does. Turkey is the only major power in the region. So they want Turkey, because Turkey can secure the region.
God bless Turkey.
Turkey does not need NATO. Nato needs to turkey. Don't be stupid. Turkey is NATO's 2nd largest army. It produces a new generation of warplanes, tanks, guided rockets, laser weapons and much more. It has a population of 80 million (young of majority). It is a warrior and honorable nation.
A jocke! Nato whitout🇹🇷! 😂😂😂
It's reciprocal, both of them need each other
Turkey is one of the top 5 contributors to NATO missions.
Turkey supported the NATO Misson in Afghanistan when Article 5 of the Washington Agreement was evoked by the US.
It has extensive hard and soft power capabilities. It has the second-largest army and the only predominantly Muslim country.
Turkey has a 911km border with Syria, so unlike a country that has been making efforts to apply its inconsistent foreign policy strategy across-continents to shape the region to cater to its preferences, Turkey is facing concrete national security threats daily due to the instability in the region.
Turkey has been fighting with PKK, which is regarded as a terrorist organization by the US, since 1984. This terrorist group uses the same training camps, administration, and funding with YPG/PYD.
The weapons which were supposed to be taken back from the YPG/PYD, as it was promised by Washington D.C., after the operation against ISIS was completed, is now being used against the Turkish army.
Turkey hosts many NATO bases within the country.
Turkey asked to purchase the Patriot Missle system from the US and other NATO allies but did not receive a positive response before the negotiations between Turkey and Russia started.
Russia is an important factor in this region, whether you like it or not, and even though Turkey and Russia do not see eye to eye in all foreign policy issues, including Syria, the two countries find a way to cooperate. This situation does not imply an axis shift, it only means Turkey is employing its diplomatic channels to safeguard its national interests.
Ohh Western propagandist spotted here
Turkey is the third power of the NATO but the best of friend and the worse of enemy, so Turkey not going to follow that what American stupid politicians want to dictate that...All the best for Turkey the land of the heaven..Yasain Turkiye ve Erdogan.
Erdoğan ülkesi için en iyi olanı yapmaya çalışıyor amerikadakilerde Amerika için en kötü olanı yapıyorlar Erdoğan'a düşman olmak aptalca Erdoğan'la anlaşmak onun yanında olmak varken neden düşman oluyorlar PKK'lılar ve büyük israil hayal olarak kalacak hiç bir zaman başaramayacaksınız bu yüzden Erdoğan'la anlaşın yoksa Amerika çinin karşısında kendi kendini yok edecek
Turkey doesn’t knee down for no one ... they teach a good lesson to USA 😂 what superpower 😂😂😂
Turkey will be giving sloppy toppy soon
Mr.McGurk needs to understand what NATO is and look at the support Turkey has been given in NATO starting from the support Turkey has given during the Korean War continuing at the last few decades with Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, ect.
Greece also have S 300 and they are also member of Nato
God bless Turkiye and its nation!!!💓💓💓
The whole point of this debate is how Turkey should be according to USA interest and that's makes it easier to understand why they hate Erdogan because Erdogan cares about Turkeys interest
a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward and which usually ends with a vote.
So where is Turkish side of on this debate one sided debate if you can call it a debate
McGurk you are lying
1) USA and NATO supported Feto coup. And thousands of civilians killed by our own guns.
2) It was not understood by Turkish people as an attempt against Mr. Erdogan who is elected democratically but against Turkish people whole and our survivability. And millions of people supports him because of the future of our country. So losing elections in big cities doesnt mean anything as that is mentioned. If he is healthy, Turkish people will again vote for him.
3) If Feto supported by NATO was successful, probably other enemy countries will invade Turkey.
4) Russian fighter was shot by Feto members.
5) It was also Feto who encouraged others to buy F35.
6) Turkey is gaining time, while you are arguing, to produce its own weapons. And these weapons will have ability to shot NATO fighters or navies. There is no more alliance and both sides know it very well. In Turkey even children know it very well.
Kardeş güzel şeyler yazın ülkemizi iyi temsil edin biz ingilizce bilmiyoruz yerimizi size bırakıyoruz Erdoğan düşmanlığını bırakalım gün bağımsızlığımızın bekamızın devamının günüdür
@@Hibrahim1 Sayın abim Cumhurbaşkanımiz hakkında kötü birşey yazmadım. aksine videoda 15 Temmuz hain darbe girişimini sadece Sayın Erdoğan'ı devirmek için yapılmış bir girişim gibi yansitmislar. ben de bu kalkışmanin Türk halkı nazarinda sadece bu sekilde değil tüm Türk halkına karşı yapılmış uluslararası bir saldırı olduğunu anlatmaya çalıştım. Ki diğer meselelerde de bizim olayları gordugumuzden daha farklı düşünüyorlar ve hatta bir iki tanesi bilerek yalan söylüyor ve olayları carpitiyor. madde madde bizim nasıl düşündüğümüzu anlatmaya çalıştım dilim döndüğünce.
@@barisozkaya2710 Allah sizden razı olsun canım kardeşim biz ingilizce bilmiyoruz siz bizim yerimize. Ülkemizin temsilcisi savunucususunuz cephede savaşmıyorsak sosyal medyada savaşırız bizde askerlerimiz ordumuz sosyal medyada internette uluslar arası gündemde savunulması gerekiyor bu hepimizin görevi herkez elinden geldiği kadar Mücadele etmeli Allah sizlerden razı olsun var olasın kardeşi
@@Hibrahim1 Oyumuzu versek de vermesek de demokratik olarak seçilmiş hepimizin Cumhurbaşkanı... Ben sadece yabancı gözüyle ülkemiz hakkında ne konuşuyorlar diye izlerken duyduklarım karşısında tahammül limitlerim zorlandi ve dayanamayıp yazdım. Yazı ile değil de videolar yoluyla kendimizi dünyaya anlatmamız lazım. Yoksa bizim adımıza başkaları konuşuyor. Teşekkürler güzel yorumunuz için.
@@barisozkaya2710 aynen kardeşim
Please someone explain to me this! Bibi Netanyahu is headliner Jewish and Donald Trump is Christian conservatives , but when it comes Erdogan is conservative Muslim is regarding as a threat to democracy? So what is going on here?
@Ken Thomas So called professional scholars who are debating on this issue are clearly Islamophobes racists just watch them closely, and if you bring Christian religion on this you are also a bigot cuz is contradicting what you mentioned and what they are talking about.
@Ken Thomas you are a pyscho if you believe in that shit.
@kenthomas8507lmao, in your wet dreams
Michael Doran you are the man!
Mr. McGurk, i don't know if it's intentionally or not, but you're manipulating the truth. I feel closer to Europe or US than anywhere else in the world in the way of human rights, I would like to be the part of EU or NATO but when I see the actions of that unions in middle east I sadly agree with Erdogan. You are trying to crack against our country and trying to make us alone by saying democracy but you go with Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and supporting YPG which is well known it's part of PKK terror organisation. I see no good intention to us. I'm very sad that it goes this way.
They didn't mentioned that under former Turkish Min.President Davutoğlu, (at the very beginning of the Syrian conflict) US, Turkey (TR) and other allies openly started to form an opposition force in Syria (Free Syrian Army) trained in TR, armed by US and paid by Saudies but then ISIS fell from the sky and US (Obama admin.) turned to YPG/PKK why ? Because forming a Kurdish state in this turmoil in north Syria at TR border (where Kurds always been in minority) is a more important strategic target for US (and for Israel) than to overthrow Basher Assad. And wherever ISIS was pushed away w. US air strikes then YPG/PKK just occupied that area but then Russia & Iran stepped in and they (Russia & US) started to coexist there (east & west of Euphrates river). After Davutoğlu, TR offered US several times to cooperate with its regular Ally than a terrorist organization like PKK/YPG which is literally against TR (an US-Ally) !! So we all saw that US chose YPG/PKK instead of TR, trained and delivered them 50.000 (Fifty Tausend) Trucks military material !!. What a wise decision ? Now some people ask in US: Who lost TR as an Ally? We as Turkey do not need an US-Ally which behaviours like that (not to forget the support of the military coup).
Michael Doran tells the truth
I am happy to see that there are sensible people still in US.
Very quality debate. It reflected Turkish concerns as well as the U.S. ones. I would call it was balanced as a Turk. Yes, I did not agree with McGurk, but he is entitled to his opinions whether if he had motives or not. Again, McGurk voiced an argument appeled to some in the audience. I wish he wouldn't show his Republican colors trying to defend Trump against Obama, as it didn't contribute to the nature of the topic.
We Turks always will prefer enemies like McGurk, very low calibrated. Thanks McGurk, even your hated attacks to Turkey are enough for people to see the Turkey's right position.
You should have someone actually from Turkey that understands the nation's perspective first-hand on your panel.
Their idea of a "fantastic ally" is a Turkey that does everything they want it to do.
Quality debate.But Turkey actually fought Daesh.Why McGurk says they didn't?Just in operation Euphrates Shield they took 3000 daesh terrorists while US sit and watched.
I wasn't surprised by pro PKK dog.
whats wrong with pkk?
McGurk looks like an authentic yankee.
Nice debate. Hoewever i want to speak out a special tribute to Michael Doran, who for me was the only person during this debate who actually saw the bigger picture. Unlike others he understood the reasons why Turkey acted in a specific way, even if it was wrong, or at least looked wrong in the eyes of the US.
McGurk on the other hand brought up hypocritical arguments. Things that happend in reality and the things that he said were contradictionary.
McGurk feels he needs to earn that plaque he received from a PKK commander. Thanks to the participants who can view the matter objectively.
Kurdish forces have only been US allies for about 5 years, but Turkey helped America fought Saddam's father,Saddam,Osama, Afghanistan,Ghaddafi,First to fight Isis and have have been one of the main NATO allies,US has one of it's biggest millitary bases in Turkey,allying with the Kurdish forces who Turkey considers as terrorist was a big mistake in the first place,you had abandoned your real allies for their enemies 5 years ago,this is just undoing it.
I wanna say conrats to mr. Michael because he is objective and good analyzer. Other side i heard many wrong thınf from ather speakers you should search about Turkey, intention and what thet do on the real meaning.
Note: Erdoğan is a selected minister by own people, not a dictator.
We as Turkish people who have always supported the western principles and interests are strongly dissapointed by US policies since 2015 in the Middle East and the way they treated us. I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT RUSSIA, IRAN AND CHINA WOULD BE WAY BETTER ALLIES TO US.
Yaa kanka Çin ve Rusya mı? İran mı?
These people are clowns except Michael. Especially Brad, Brad has an memory lapse or he needs to define what allie is. For I can count many times where the USA chose others over Turkey on key issues. ISIS argument is rubbish, Russia cleaned up ISIS and ISIS is an USA\Israel managed asset..Barbara is uneducated about the region. Turkey has been treated badly by the USA. Brad, no Patriot support, no NATO support on the conflict on its boarder, no sales of military equipment that Turkey requested but others get it. Saudia gets patriots, Germany gets patriots, Turkey gets nothing. Erdogan has been the best thing for Turkey, they the American's don't like a strong lead nation like Turkey.
Turki... We love urtugul.... Remember who u are.. A turk that nevet submit to anyone.. Accept GOD ... Nato need turkey mots badly..
Mr. j are you stupid ? Turkey submitted to the west and Russia MULTIPLe times, Muslims do not know god they are on their knees now to the Christian powers
@@jeant.3565 sounds like you're the one on all fours getting raided in the rear by one of your fascist lovers. xxx
Islam is a fake Religion.
Yanks thought Turkey would never steer over to the Russian side no matter what they do. That is dead wrong move. US over played her hand and needs to realize that and reconcile the relation by moving away from supporting YPG/pkk, turn over Gulen and cut a deal in the eastern Mediterranean so both can benefit. This requires a mindset shift and US should approach Turks exactly the opposite she deals with Arabs. As long US talks with the tone of that guy in the very right she will lose Turkey. The guy in the middle figured it out and he gets it! Level heads will thrive or both allies will split for good.
I think Turkey and west should urgently go to a couple therapist, this relationship is getting to be emotionally destructive for each of them :/
Believe me McGurk is a great lier.
13:40 ''%30 of the population is Kurdish''
Hahahahahhaha This lady is out of her mind hahaha
Maybe %13 maybe..
NATO? We now see it's a joke. I'm sure you'll need our help in long run for Europe and we'll say "oh, it's a bilateral matter between Russia and ..."
The question is that “Mccurk has a brain ? “ Answer: No
NATO has no bite... Turkey has a history of defending unfair and unjust attacks.
we are doing fine without the politics of the opinionated West.
keep talking while our citizens are being attacked by insurgents...
just don't forget Gallipoli, we havent
The man in the midle is speaking the true
Turkiye will never bow down to any other countries. Nobody can restrain our unique rising!
I have never seen another man lie as professional as this Brett McGurk guy does. Holy Shit...
Is the West still an important ally to Turkey?
no actualy Turkey is the guardian of the West in the East. Lets give boats to 5 milion refugees and see who has a problem.
nooooo for sure.
without Turkey there is no nato!!
YES THAT IS TRUE
NEVER HAD A COUNTRY WHAIT LIKE TURKEY FOR THE EU MEMBERSHIP
Just watch the facial expression, physiognomy, body language, voice tone of the McGurk! You can clearly see that he does not even believe what he says but he is clearly trying to manipulate whole issue with pressure and compulsorily by somebody or something! Probably US weapon lobby and/or EU petrol lobby that uses NATO/USA as their cheap or even free of charge slave army.
You do not need to be a intelligence officer, body language, facial expression, social behavior etc. expert to understand that someone lie, manipulating and/or does not even believe in the things those comes from their mouth. Just compare him to other five person in there. Regardless of what other five says right or wrong, all actually definitely believes in what they are saying but not McGurk.
I would love to see George Friedman vs McGurk debate. Would be really fun to watch McGurk have to deal with common logic, knowledge and clear honesty those all based on actual facts.
None of isis fighter Turkish you are liar Bret. Western fighters pass thru you are right. Turkiye is free country
Turkey’s and USA’s interest in this region is not the same!
The 🇹🇷was in korea 1953!
1 st and last guy talking pointless, were they on holiday in Turkey ? considering they lived in Turkey they have no idea about Turks or Turkish GOVERMENT, they should should read some history books about turkey or get a job in Sultanahmet as you sit guide. They don’t have other capacity than being Tourist guides only and if! 😄
I respect most to (from left) Second guy, 3rd and lady, and this is not about yes or no but knowledge. More then turkey needs NATO, nato needs turkey!
Turkey approached USA to buy patriot air defence systems, Obama refused, even if Obama accepted the US Congress was determined not ratify that agreement, then, Turkey was forced to buy S 400 missiles from Russia. furthermore, USA decided to arm YPG - a terrorist organization by the way - which is operating along the Turkish border. The Iraq war in which one of the speakers is citing was a fatal mistake as has been realized later, Iraq never had WMD's.
You are talking about TURKEY, but there is no one from TURKEY, and no one who actually knows Turkey, most of them can't point Turkey on the map
I agree 100 percent with Mr Michael Doran, he have understand 🇹🇷 Thank you 🙏
''Turkey Is An Asset To NATO'' Is a pretty neo colonial topic to discuss because Turkey is an independent country with its own interests and if some of its interests allign with other NATO's interests thats fine. You cant have a NATO in which every country's interests allign with each other.
If NATO is active in Mexican-American border whose interests should be the piority? Turkey's or American?
NATO has to cooperate with Turkey if its active in Turkey's backyard.
McCurk said that the YPG never attacked Turkey from Syria before Turkey's operation. Thats right but very manipulative. The YPG attacks Turkey by entering Turkish territory, changing its name to the PKK since the YPG is a PKK branch and does terror attacks WITHIN Turkey.
Many jihadists managed to get to Syria from Turkey, thats right but back then NATO was arming those jihadists as wel and most of them weren't ISIS. Those Jihadists also came from other NATO (west european) countries who were trying to dump them into Syria to get rid of them. Why is the source(west europe) of those jihadists not being questioned?
When ISIS was on Turkey's border, Turkey asked for a buffer zone at its border from NATO, declined.
Why should Turkey be responsible to clean up ISIS while other nations were just relaxing? ''Turkey didn't attack ISIS back then'', the conflict is literally right at its border, they will feel the consequences directly if they do anything alone. Its a world problem, not just a problem for Turkey.
1- In the early 1950s, by taking advantage of the ineptitude politics of the Islamist Menderes government (an Islamist predecessor of Erdogan), America was able to impose a Marshall Plan on Turkey, which could not create a sustainable welfare process as consultants coming from the USA had insisted on unilateral economic policies and Turkey was directed towards military spending due to being seen mainly as a buffer state against the Soviet Union and Middle East. It can be also said that arrangements arising from double standards in the application compared to European countries caused economic instabilities in the long run. Later, Turkey was lured into the Nato and the country that once was manufacturing its own planes (in the 1930s-40s) was stripped off its economic, agricultural and industrial capabilities. Well, it's quite obvious that the Nato and the West have been exploiting Turkey for 66 years. If Turkey tried to leave the Nato and close down 40 American military installations on Turkish soil, it would face serious problems. Getting rid of global vultures isn't that easy, once they circle over you.
2- By the way, a very important question, which every single levelheaded person should ask, is who created ISIS. There lies the answer for all the misery.
3- Why doesn't anybody elaborate the fact why the West is in an urgent need for and weaponizes one terror organization to fight another?
Menderes wasn't an Islamist. He was a democratic man. Stupid Tankie.
Micheal Doran told the truth McGurk all lies Cowardness creates enrmies
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this brett mcgurk guy tried to establish a kurdish state right near the bordor of turkey and AT THAT TİME TURKEY WAS THE ONLY OBSTACLE İN İT AND he failed that ; you cant expect him to talk in a other way LOL OF COURSE HE WOULD SAY TURKEY İSNT A ASSET TO NATO
michael doran truely understands the turkish point of view. I would love to see more debates with this man
is it not you who pushed Turkey towards Russia!
Each and every word of ted is lie..
What we can expect from them they are crusaders terrorist they are incredible propagandist and hate mongers !!!!
Waffle 🧇 speaker should know now 2 years after Turkey 🇹🇷 make much more progress military equipment and technology on her own and give it 5 more years you will regret that taking out Turkey from F35 program
Now today Russia and Ukrainian are fighting Ukrainian standing up against the Russia with Turkish weapons
Today going to over 80 days and if Turkey stop helping Ukraine and change the site supply the Russian with better Drone’s Ukraine will surrender one week so I guess we’ll know how important is Turkey 🇹🇷 for NATO
the Turks never forget...
McGurk I can't see why you are being so dishonest. Turkey does not want to push Greece to side. Throughout the Erdoğan's government years (17 years now), Greece has de facto invaded around 28 Turkish islands and islets. Some of these islands are certificated by League of Nations (forerunner of United Nations) for being Turkish territory. Why they do this? Because in 2003 USA released the information that there is oil and gas in the Mediterranean Sea. Using these de facto invaded islands and islets, Greece claims a huge portion of Turkey's marine shelf to get the oil and gas rights in there. So now, everyone working against Turkey to deprive Turkey out of its rights in the Mediterranean. Israel, Southern Cyprus, Greece, England, Egypt, Palestine, Italy, France... so many countries have signed a mutual agreement deal on these gas and oil. We Turkish people, we are one of the main right owners in these resources. However, they do not even care. They even plan to make a new pipeline through Mediterranean Sea to bypass Turkey on the gas's arrival into Europe. And they plan the pipeline through Turkish marine shelf, which is now claimed by Greece using these newly invaded islands and islets. And European Union, by 2018, has a defense agreement similar to Nato. Why? To scare Turkey against making a move against these unlawful moves done by Greece. Disgraceful. Humankind has no shame obviously.
Lie lie lie lie every single words
Think about it. You have a group of friends, they are rich, they are the coolest people in the scholl, you are the poor guy who hangout with with them only because they know you since kindergarden, they always make fun of you and think very little of you while you are the second strongest when it comes to the arm power. They never listen to what you have to say. They dont respect your ideas or your beliefs. They dont care when you hurt phisically or emotionally. And supposed enemies of your so called friends, they respect you more, they care about you more, they wanna hang out with you more, they wanna listen to you more. What you would do? Any other country would have left nato long ago after such treatment. Turkiye still here for friends because Turkish people are loyal. We don't change agenda every 5 year based on our own interests. I think that is the biggest problem with west. No such loyalty excist. Not in person, or as a country.
Oh glorious army! Oh great soldier,Come on gallant soldier, the sea of bastion smashers,Take the shield in one hand and the sword in the other, Let's advance through the border oh gallant soldier,May everything be victorious in this sea. On the tounge tekbir "Allah is greatest",Allah is greatest, Allah is greatest,May our army be ever victorious.
Just shut up...
@@golkas9971 I know it hurts for u mcdonlds guy
How tf turkey didn’t do much against isis is this dude really been in Turkey or he’s just there to lie ? Turkish army is the only army in the coalition that fought against isis. Other coalition nations only launched air strikes and Turkey let allies use incirlik even German panavia tornado jets came to incirlik this dudes claims are all false 😂
Probably this is the first time I will say something to support Erdoğan's policies but I have to defend him on this. We have a group of terroristic organization armed by the US at our borders. Trying to solve the issue through diplomacy was fruitless over the years, and the more Turkey waited the more the terrorists got stronger and grew bigger in numbers. What was Erdoğan supposed to do? Listen to the directives of the US until one day YPG comes knocking our door with a claim on our lands? It is not even a "sit down and shut up" situation it is more like, "bent down so I can rape you" and "bent down again so my friends can rape you as well".
Whatever country you are from, image some group of people killing and terrorizing your people, destroying your economy, attempting a coup and so on. Now image there is one country who supports and protects these people, who arms and trains them, and this very country condemns you for trying to fight against these people. How would you feel?
Mr brett I don't know are you a nonsense or something! NATO allies has S-300 so why Turkey can't have it ? because of the extraa 100 or being Muslim nation ?
World King Turkey coming back just wait... ✌🏼
As a Turk, second guy explains everything in short. If the problem is homeland, the rest are details...
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Democracy does not mean "opposition is winning"
What a shallow vision of democracy is that ...
If the system allows opposition and the system allows them to win it means there is democracy.
Democracy is about the system. Not the people..
Many of my fellow Turkish citizens have the tendency to follow two paths on debating all their arguments. One is the formal Turkish government line of thought, based on maximalistic arrogant ottoman style views and strategies.
The other is an emotional approach, not suitable for honest people as they claim to be, as for example we occupy Northern Cyprus for so many years because we are protecting our brothers and sisters. The same hypocrisy applies to self explain Lybia a little variation in Syria though "it's the Kurds there that are
terrorists" that give us the right to trespass into Syria and perform all the aggressions necessary.
The truth is unfortunately much more cynical than that. Turkish elite has become greedy for wealth and power only belonging to other nations. However what really comes out in unison with their robast imposition of order is their pervert ottoman ambition
authoritarianism and aggressive anger deeply rooted in the Turkish psycke for those finding them unagreeable.
1- When the time comes that the Turkish Cypriot's rights are equally recognized and represented in the EU and the World only then we may consider to withdraw from there (but as long as Greek Cypriots continue to ignore the Turkish Cypriot existence we will continue to be there as their guarantor country provided by international treaties). This has nothing to do with emotions but only with justice and about protecting the Turkish Cypriots' interests.
2- About Lybia, the UN-recognized official government invited Turkey to help them against those trying to overthrow their government. So Turkey has a justified existence in Lybia unlike hypocritical western states supporting Haftar who is trying to overthrow the official government
3- About Syria, we will continue to fight and destroy all terror organizations existing there (PKK, YPG, DEASH etc) no matter which country supports them, end of story. If there is any country that wants to host these terror groups, you can take them all to your country, away from Turkey and its borders. But if you try to weaponize them against Turkey, you will always see Turkey in front of you.
Turks are peaceful people. But anyone who threatens our core existence, our independence, our land, we will always unite as one and defend our country!
@@usenan It's rediculous! You can't have it both ways?
Turkish occupation is not recognised by the international community. Period.!
Either Turkey removes soldiers illegal immigrants, and let the two communities prosper,
Or you keep going the illegal way, according to UN resolutions, and condemn Turkish Cypriots to development deprivation.
Should you try to illegally expand, or develop on neutral territories, Turkish interests, will not solve rather than complicate, further more, the Cyprus issues for the years to come. Mainly, to the expense of the Turkish Cypriot community.
@@costasyiannourakos6963 The Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960 as a constitutional partnership state, based on the political equality of the two constituent peoples of the island, the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Contrary to common belief, the Cyprus problem did not emerge with Turkey’s military intervention in 1974, but in 1963 when the Turkish Cypriots were ejected from the island’s government and faced attacks by Greek Cypriot guerilla bands. The Greek Cypriots openly sought to unite the island with Greece, a process they called Enosis, but which was expressly forbidden by a treaty guaranteeing the independence of the island. It was at this time that a Green Line was drawn across Nicosia and the United Nations established its presence on the island. As violence subsided, Greek Cypriots nonetheless continued their drive for Enosis, forcing Turkish Cypriots to live in ethnically homogenous enclaves. Efforts by Turkey to move the international community to stop the slow ethnic cleansing and continued crimes against Turkish Cypriots were futile. In 1974, after the bloody attempt by the Greek military junta to annex the island to Greece caused an eruption of violence against the Turkish Cypriots, Turkey militarily intervened. The resulting separation of the two communities on the island halted the violence and preserved the Turkish Cypriots from destruction. Turkey’s intervention was not only an urgent moral imperative; but also, a legal obligation as stipulated by the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee that established Cyprus as an independent state.
Following the 1974 intervention the international community failed to acknowledge the rights of the Turkish Cypriots while unjustly vested solely the Greek Cypriots with the right to govern the island. This shocking result continues to reverberate today and has made efforts to reunify the island exceptionally difficult. Regrettably, rather than seeking a solution, the main focus of the Greek Cypriots is to preserve this illegal and illegitimate advantageous position, as demonstrated by their popular refusal to unify the island under a UN-brokered peace plan.
TCA supports a just and lasting solution to the Cyprus problem based on the parameters of bi-communality, bi-zonality and political equality for all Turkish Cypriots - exactly the principles favored by the United Nations and the United States. TCA deplores the inhuman isolation and illegitimate embargoes imposed upon the Turkish Cypriots and calls upon the international community to end them. This would serve as an incentive for the Greek Cypriot side to make progress in the ongoing UN negotiation process and reach a settlement in Cyprus.
“If the Greek Cypriots are ready to share power and prosperity with the Turkish Cypriots in a federal
structure based on political equality, this needs to be demonstrated, not just by word, but by action”
United Nations Security Council. Report of the Secretary-General
on his Mission of Good Offices in Cyprus (S/2004/437). 28 May 2004).
Turkiye is sovereign country you have to respect their choice. You don’t like get out from Turkiye.
Internal Turk kurt business not your business. That’s enough. You guys strange
Do you want to be with a country which have many historical experience and culture or a terrörist organization such as YPG.Americans have to think that any terorist organizatan can be established to change America's borders and then how would you act against terorist and a state who support terorists?
The West has to make a good distinction between Kurds and terrorists. never with Turkey's Kurds do not have a problem. Western media perception by creating false news against Turkey rings. YPG (terrorists) killed many children (even infants), the civilian population was targeted in Turkey and was DONE a lot of action in Turkey, our troops took target. And more importantly, it was made with weapons provided by our ally, the US administration. It's really painful. I hope the US people understand this situation and have good managers.
İs this guys really well educated people about Middle East ethnicity or culture? Really they knows what’s going on the country that they are talking about? Otherwise just following the situation from ideologically same domestic groups?They just talking about a region which is unreal. They just looking down on others problem. Of course this is an American show and thoughts of American interests are acceptable, normal but it doesn’t changes Americans worked together at Syria with a terror organization that is define as terror organization by NATO members and everybody knows nothing changes when you call terrorist whit different names. Turkey is an asset member of NATO till NATO doesn’t support coups in Turkey in secret. Yes Erdoğan has a paranoia just because of strong supporters of him turned against him and tried overthrow him. and lastly Middle East is a playground of intelligence agencies. All my wishes with people who are downtrodden while elephants are struggling.
Any US/Israel opposing politics, is good politics.
Turkey can not be seen as a Nato asset but if you want we can be your good friends and alliance.
İf you want to have emphaty, imagine that Turkey is buiding a defacto Russian or ISIS country at your Mexico border.. thats what US is doing with PKK from our perspective.
And as last, what is the alternative if Nato countries are not selling weapons we need ?
Look I've been critical of Turkey's current administration but seriously NATO let down Turkey several recent times and consequently complains that Turkey is taking a different direction. Just wow!
-What he said about turkey
-he said that
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read turkish history pls but not armenian book...read Joseph von Hammer or Arnold J. Toynbee
You need more information about this region. Don’t critise what you don’t understand. Your countries are economical with the truth. Turkey have to protect its borders. Your countries always say Turkey is our friend but Turkey feels as if it is stabbed on its back. So, If you consider Turkey is a friend, you should reflect this to your actions without lies.
Where do you get your information from ? Kurds do not represent 30% of the population of turkey, and most Kurds are integrated and live happily and are doing extremely well in business and politics, you so called experts should mine your own business and stop meddling in our country.
If Turkey were to prevent Finland/Sweden Nato membership. This aged like fine milk.
What’s that 🇫🇮 🇸🇪?
@@nadinenadine9739 Almost 200 days later, what a scummy countries(Turkey and Hungary). Sweden is not in NATO yet. What do you mean by that anyway?
Trump says he doesn't know brett mcgurk 🤣🤣 and I agree with him 👍👍
Have asked yourself: Why NATO is still alive? NATO was created as an active military organisation against Russia. So, do you see Russia as enemy? Why you are so aggressive? Resources of other countries are the interests of EU & US, which is the another method of occupation and colonization.
....We have not forgotten the sacks that were put to our soldiers in their heads ... and this will be avenged.
...We will never forget that NATO exercises they put goals A picture of the president turkey
....We Turks opened the ages and closed the ages, if necessary we will open a new age..
the world is greater than five
incredibly arrogant unbelievable
Turkey is autocracy and Saudi Arabia is????🙄👎
Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, and its constitution is the Quran and the and the Sunna, Saudi Arabia dont calim to be something there are not,Turkey have been autocratic regime ever since Erdogans party have took over back in 2002.
And I dont know what saudi have to do with this video, I guess you got a thing against The kingdom or something...😌
@@bdot187um And why not? West keep supporting wahabi cult Saudi regime and try instigating coups in Turkey..Turkey is more western oriented than Saudi Arabia ever be. Sheer hypocrisy!
@@bdot187um just stay away from saudis if you are journalist for sure they saw you into pieces ask prince bonesaw
@@saadiaarslanturk2850 there's not such thing called "wahhabism" you idiot! You know nothing about Islam if you say that, there's no sect of Islam called "wahhabi" This term was created by the Turks when King ibin saud brought down their dominance on the Arabian peninsula that's why they tried their best to demonize the king and his newly found kingdom which was Continuing on the legacy of the original 1744 saudi emarit, Mohammed bin Abdul wahab was a scholar and a reformer who allied with Mohammed bin saud to Unite the arabs and Muslims and arabs under the flag of al tawhid & he didn't create something outta thin air or a new sect or a new Ideology, just check his books and you will know exactly what I'm talking about, when did saudi instigate a coup on your current regime! wasn't your president at the time a friend of ours and he supported our Decisive Storm Operation so why would we do that?! 🤦🏻♂️😂 Erdogan made an enemy outta the Saudi Arabian government and people when he attacked us and tried his best to demonize the crown prince to his political and economical gains when the khashoggi saga was going on, and we don't want to be like you or the west! we have our own culture and our own history and our heritage so we dont care that much to be like you our your nato friends we're good.😌🇸🇦