From what I know, shade wouldn't make any difference, it's just the cooler temperatures that help dormancy and sugars in the stems. Id probs put them all outside and make sure you prune them in Jan or even Feb, so the new buds start developing when the spring is around the corner and not earlier...Bit dormancy is necessary for healthy roses hense why in hot climates ghey chop them down to force that dormancy...
I love your potting shade! If you've got a problem with birds colliding with its glass walls, I suggest covering all the walls with perforated foil, the one used for ads on public transport vehicles. The loss of light is only about 5%, or less, but the collisions are going to stop for good. I hope you're doing fine and I wish you a really merry Christmas and lots of success with your roses next year!
4:51 That "deep sleep" is called vernalization. Autumn arrives, the plant sends it's sap down into the roots, then come lengthening spring days which draw that stored sap up out of the roots and goriousness begins! Yes, keep them as dormant as possible for strong springtime growth. 5:08 if you have not cold us you have a cold, I would not have noticed anything out of the ordinary.
Yes mate, I do think we “could” be in for a bitter winter this year, but this question is a little different I hope. Do our roses prefer a deep sleep or rest over the winter months by placing our potted roses for example into shielded shade.
@@gavinparry5426 I've broken the rules and pruned all my Floribundas in early Autumn this year, instead of next Spring because our Springs are too chilly here in Scotland. We don't get mild Springs anymore. Maybe that will make my roses sleep a bit longer and gain strength.
Quick question 👋 if you notice die back on some stems now do you go ahead and prune to a healthy bud on the stem to stop the die back or leave it until January yo let the stem die back. I had hardly any bud union breaks this year and am wondering if the rose is "naturally pruning " itself and I'm stopping this by pruning 🤔
I am really interested to see the results with reduced sunlight. It does feel like the roses don't actually go dormant. My kew gardens is still breaking buds and giving me new leaves! Feel Better Jay Jay it's definitely cold season 😪
@ hi Hailey your asking the wrong person here so bear that in mind. But I will say what I do. The die back can often spread down the stem, sometimes quickly sometimes not so quickly. But I would leave the die back unless it got near to the bud Union. If that’s the right answer I don’t know. But I would leave and prune it back when it’s time. I know some folk prune in November and have done for years here in the uk. I see it often with no apparent ill effect. I prune mine a little later personally. Pruning back a decent stem early I “think” encourages energy and that early growth. IF we have a deep prolonged freeze that early growth can take a hit. So I prune a little later maybe feb. The basal breaks, I had the most awesome basal breaks last year. Not on all roses but most. Several roses I had multiple basal breaks 3,4,8!! All from the bud Union. What I “think” worked for me is roses say 3 years old, I didn’t pussy foot around. I pruned back hard the number of stems. Some roses with say 7,8 stems coming from the actual bud Union I went back to just 3. Taking out the weaker older ones. Some roses with 4 stems I went back to 3 or even two. I kept “some” height but reduced stems. On many of my roses (although not all) it worked fantastic. This coming year I won’t need to be as brutal. I’d like 4 or so decent strong young stems and most of my roses will have that this year. That’s my thoughts but like I say I don’t want to come across expert.
I think it's one of those situations that needs a Jay Jay scientific experiment comparing ideally 3 identical roses - one outdoors, one indoors in the shade, one indoors in the light. Go on, you know you want to (and it gives you the excuse you need to buy a few more bareroots)! As you say, in the UK we don't need to bring our roses in, so normally I don't. However, I have over the past few years put my new bareroots in as large pots as I had available, filled with fresh compost to feed them, and put the pots on the ground in the greenhouse where they will enjoy all the light that comes their way, and I have no reason to feel that it has had a negative effect, looking at their growth there and when brought outside in the spring, and later in the season. In fact I think it has mostly given an early boost to their growth and encouraged root growth and earlier flowering, but maybe I am deluding myself. I am doing the same this year, so will no doubt be putting video up of how they are getting on.
Funny thing is nik I was actually putting the thoughts together to type up the question on one of your videos, but it became so long I thought it would be quicker to just do a video. I don’t think these experiments can always be so accurate or definitive. So many variables much of the time no matter how close we try and get things. But I knew you move some of your potted roses inside for winter and with good results. It was simply the stupidly early growth I saw this year and the subsequent growth after that, made me ask the question. I’m still unsure, I’m sure a video exists somewhere but I’ve yet to see it. I know roses can flower all year and do flower all year, but do they or would they benefit more with sleep. I’m still not sure.
@@Jay_Jay I just checked on my past videos, Blue Eyes flowered on April 12th in the greenhouse, but I think it is anyway an early bloomer, and it went on to continue flowering and growing bushy through the season, so no apparent negative consequences of being in the greenhouse.
The thing that makes roses go dormant is the temperature not shading them. Think about how bare root roses are stored. They put them in cold store to keep them dormant. When brought out, particularly if the temperature is warm, that wakes them up. If you have ever bought bare roots in feb/march even april when you have received them they have started producing buds. In order for roses to “sleep” they need that period of cold.
@@RossDriscoll thank you Ross. I wasnt sure if it was part of the growing process the roses needed light or if it would assist them sleep. But yes I have received bare root roses and the fresh stems were white in colour from lack of light. Cheers
Hi Jay Jay, we also had a very mild Winter, very wet and apart from one Weekend with an ice storm and snow with -13 C no winterbreak, I noticed in January already when the days started to get longer massive growth and …they have been sick all year, from mildew in May all trough summer… black spots and who knows what else…I put all my pots next to house on the eastern wall, out of the sun and keep them very dry I hope keeping them shaded will prevent early growth and give them some rest, I do believe they need a time off to save energy, Vlies on the Roses keeps them warm and moist in my opinion only helps fungus to stay alive, get well soon…Best wishes from Germany ❤
4:06 Yes, I drag the black, woven polypropylene weed barrier from my vegetable garden and bury my roses under it which are susceptible to cane burn. My alba rose plant Felicite de Parmentier requires no coddling at all, quite tough and her perfume is rich, pure, strong old rose with no fruitiness at all. Everyone must have a Felicite de Parmentier, she evokes thoughts of old, genteel 19th century France and England, she dates back to late 1800s.
Hi Jay Jay, very interesting question. I think the modern roses probably not so much nowadays with all the new breeding techniques but the older roses like the Gallica's, Alba's etc they probably do need a period of dormancy to perform well. I don't know it's just my two penn'orth so to speak.
Thank you for the informative and interesting video, Jay Jay. I bought 11 roses last November. Already pruned and potted when they arrived and they also produced weak shoots, some of which got blitzed by hard frosts here in Ayrshire in Feb/March. None of them died but some of them never produced strong shoots when the warmer weather arrived. It just gave me the excuse to buy a load of big bushy, gorgeous roses, including two Dolce Vita, covered in buds and I'm very glad I did. I'm sticking with that supplier from now on. Their roses performed well in pots and I'm looking forward to seeing them bloom again next Summer. I don't know what compost formula is used by the suppliers but maybe that plays a part in failure or success - I don't know. Next Summer will reveal if my roses like John Innes No 3 or not 🙏😂👍🌹
Hi Bev, I don’t think you were alone with your experience. I think a colder and wetter than usual April and May didn’t help. And much of the growth “stemming” from that weaker early growth didn’t help. It perhaps wasn’t the best foundation growth to build from. I know I had to cut much of that weak growth away and start again which I can only assume is a waste of energy. I do like JI3, a nice dollop of that in the mix goes down well I find. Best of luck :) 🌹🌹
@Jay_Jay thank you Jay Jay. Yep, it is frustrating when we wait for Spring and then that happens. It's a bit like the beast from the east from a few Springs ago, and the milder spells fool the roses and then they get zapped again when the cold returns. The joys of growing plants 😂. Never mind. We do our best. Have a wonderful Christmas and here's to lots of flower power in 2025 🌹🌹👍
The trouble with putting roses in your potting shed is that when the sun comes out (as it does from time to time even in winter), the temperature rises inside and encourages early growth, so personally I wouldn't put them inside unless we have a really cold snap and you will want to prevent freezing of tender shoots and roots.
@@guysumpter6653 hi and thanks, yes I’ve never placed any of my potted roses inside before, but this year I do fear we could be in for a cold winter so I do intend to bring some in. But the question is less to do with protecting them but more to do with having them in a position with no direct sunlight and a cooler position over winter to rest and sleep more. Do you think this would be more likely, and IF so, will it be beneficial in any way?
@@Jay_Jay My understanding is that dormancy is the roses reaction to cold and lack of sufficient light for growth and flowering. If summer lasted all year the roses would keep going too, so I don't think more 'rest and sleep' is beneficial. If we have warm spells in winter the roses will react to the temperature rise , but will then suffer a setback if the cold returns, which of course it what happens outdoors when early, warm Springs suddenly revert back to winter.
@@guysumpter6653 It takes ages for the warmer weather to arrive in Scotland. On average - late May/Early June. The only thing I can suggest is putting the pots inside two or three empty pots with thick newspaper on the surface soil surface in a concrete lock up garage. Out tortoise hibernated in one every Winter. The newspaper insulates from temperature changes in both cold and milder
well Im in zone 9. baffles me but thats what Im told. My little greenhouse warms up instantly when the winter sun hits it, lovely retreat for a snooze or a hot whisky on mild winter days. Ive been using it to overwinter begonias and geraniums. While this is fine and they are very happy I might have to stop it as we started to notice rust on geraniums in garden centres about two years ago, never had that before, and the rust persists through the winter and it spreads in the greenhouse. I’m sure that whatever roses carry on them would overwinter happily too and give me disease problems. Apart from that, random bursts of heat due to winter sun hitting my cosy greenhouse might confuse the normal dormancy period that roses are used to. Just my observations from an amateurs viewpoint. SIP SIP, AHHHH, time for a Jamesons or maybe a Poteen, in my cosy greenhouse. Just finished putting up the community xmas tree and the suns back after Darragh or Bert or both gave us a hammering. Cheers 🥃
3:40 Here in Ohio, 10 degrees fahrenheit and lower, with sun shining on the canes results in sun scalded canes, this injury slowly spreads and kills the canes down to 12 inches or less above the soil line, but it sounds to me as if your roses don't need to be brought in at all. Perhaps China roses would be injured by unusual, extreme cold in your are.
Jay you don’t need to store any roses in a greenhouse. They are really hardy. I have started pruning already. Some are starting to shoot. They are still relatively dormant.
Jay Jay, I hope you don't mind me posting this question here but does anyone have any idea what happened to rose lover Darren Harwood? His channel is now empty without any videos. What's going on? Is he all right?
Oh, I had to come find this comment to see who took their channel down. That’s so sad! I watched his videos often! I also hope he is ok!! Wish he would have left his content up! His yard was always very inspirational just like Jay Jay’s!
The best place is outside I guess. On 5°C the roots are working and developing. Hidden without sunlight it will fall asleep instead of developing roots over the winter. The greenhous is also risky because of to warm temperatures and diseases.
Personally, I would just leave them outside Jay. I have seen beautiful roses blooming away in places with much milder temps with minimal to no winter rest. Plus, why go through all that faff? Let nature take its course. As mentioned in another comment, greenhouses can trap heat and in effect creating a warmer environment than outside. This might still stimulate them to break dormancy and produce new shoots. (The bareroots stored in dark normally produces pale shoots)This is just an observation but I am with you if you want to experiment and report👍
Hi there I’m with you on that, let nature take its course (in uk climate at least). I know in some parts of the world potted roses will need to come inside to survive but not usually vital here. But I’m still curious is it more beneficial for the roses to get that deep sleep, that full dormancy in the winter months I know roses can perform all year pretty much dependent on location and climate. But is a full dormancy that important a part of the rose cycle to an extent that it affects the performance in the spring and summer months? I’m sure there is a scientific answer that I’m just curious about. I’m hoping an expert can reveal all.
@@Jay_Jay This might sound silly but in a way it seems similar to animals going into deep hibernation. The processes their bodies go through. No food or drink all Winter. Our tortoises always had the best Winter hibernations in my Dad's brick lock up garage, covered in plenty of hay and newspaper for insulation from changes in temperature.
@ well I think even us as humans need sleep. I’ve heard it said before (although I don’t know if it’s true or even possible) that lack of sleep will kill you before lack of food!
@@MrCooldoc2000 Roses growing in warm countries, yep. Originated in Central Asia 5,000 years ago and the very first rose garden was established in China. Sometimes with the best care in the world, they still fade away. I would think that watching out for moulds and rot developing during the Winter is also very important. None of my roses died or froze solid in Scotland 😂 in their little original pots last Winter. I didn't want to take a chance with repotting them in November so I put them in several empty pots instead in an open windy area. Just the shoots got problems. What do the rose suppliers do with unsold potted roses, I'd love to know.
Hey there! I have a couple of David Austin roses and thinking on getting a kordes one (I am in South England). What would you recommend? Secret perfuma, lovely perfuma, sweet honey or novalis? I care most about plenty of flowers and health (perfume is nice but less important). Which one would you get?
@@carlita3341 sweet honey is a great rose. Very strong, 2 full flushes with huge amounts of buds and each flush lasts about a month. It will continue to flush until winter but with less flowers. No scent for my nose but others detect something. Good in rain and very healthy. This would be my pick from what you say. But watch out it’s very thorny. Good luck
My lengthy reply got swept away with removing dust from the keyboard 😡😡😡 so , with midnight nearing, I shall say that I try to provide my plants with as close as possible an environment like their native habitat.
@@Jay_Jay it was more the channel than that specific video. Let the roses sleep, I would say strip them of all leaves, even if they look healthy. Protect them from the worst of the frosts but allow them to experience mild frost. If they are in pots, raise them off the ground on bricks so they can drain better. Huddle pots together to reduce exposure to deep prolonged frost and windshear. If it is frosty for multiple days in a row, water sufficiently to stop the roots dessicating. Allow them to have natural light as growth is more determined by daylength and light quality than the temperature, especially below 6 degrees.
@ thank you. It is your second sentence and last sentence that is of interest along with any associated relevance/importance. This is what I’m just curious about. All of your points of course I think are valid. And perhaps my question is not so important, but if it’s simply a case of bottom shelf shade/top shelf full sun and IF… IF there is benefit between them.
@@Jay_Jay in short, I would put them on the middle shelf if the greenhouse/potting shed is subject to hard frost. Otherwise, the cells will freeze, and when they get rapidly heated in direct sunlight, especially south facing sunlight in spring, they will burst. Top shelf is best if frost free or other than south facing. When the plant starts to grow in early spring, it first needs to have chloroplasts. They are in the cells of the stems and will reproduce when daylength starts to increase. This will only be noticed by the plants if they are in the light.
From what I know, shade wouldn't make any difference, it's just the cooler temperatures that help dormancy and sugars in the stems. Id probs put them all outside and make sure you prune them in Jan or even Feb, so the new buds start developing when the spring is around the corner and not earlier...Bit dormancy is necessary for healthy roses hense why in hot climates ghey chop them down to force that dormancy...
I love your potting shade! If you've got a problem with birds colliding with its glass walls, I suggest covering all the walls with perforated foil, the one used for ads on public transport vehicles. The loss of light is only about 5%, or less, but the collisions are going to stop for good. I hope you're doing fine and I wish you a really merry Christmas and lots of success with your roses next year!
4:51 That "deep sleep" is called vernalization. Autumn arrives, the plant sends it's sap down into the roots, then come lengthening spring days which draw that stored sap up out of the roots and goriousness begins! Yes, keep them as dormant as possible for strong springtime growth. 5:08 if you have not cold us you have a cold, I would not have noticed anything out of the ordinary.
I always leave mine outside and prune all my Roses on 1st of January as you know Jay.
Yes mate, I do think we “could” be in for a bitter winter this year, but this question is a little different I hope.
Do our roses prefer a deep sleep or rest over the winter months by placing our potted roses for example into shielded shade.
@@gavinparry5426 I've broken the rules and pruned all my Floribundas in early Autumn this year, instead of next Spring because our Springs are too chilly here in Scotland. We don't get mild Springs anymore. Maybe that will make my roses sleep a bit longer and gain strength.
Quick question 👋 if you notice die back on some stems now do you go ahead and prune to a healthy bud on the stem to stop the die back or leave it until January yo let the stem die back. I had hardly any bud union breaks this year and am wondering if the rose is "naturally pruning " itself and I'm stopping this by pruning 🤔
I am really interested to see the results with reduced sunlight. It does feel like the roses don't actually go dormant. My kew gardens is still breaking buds and giving me new leaves!
Feel Better Jay Jay it's definitely cold season 😪
@ hi Hailey your asking the wrong person here so bear that in mind.
But I will say what I do. The die back can often spread down the stem, sometimes quickly sometimes not so quickly.
But I would leave the die back unless it got near to the bud Union. If that’s the right answer I don’t know.
But I would leave and prune it back when it’s time.
I know some folk prune in November and have done for years here in the uk. I see it often with no apparent ill effect.
I prune mine a little later personally.
Pruning back a decent stem early I “think” encourages energy and that early growth.
IF we have a deep prolonged freeze that early growth can take a hit.
So I prune a little later maybe feb.
The basal breaks, I had the most awesome basal breaks last year. Not on all roses but most. Several roses I had multiple basal breaks 3,4,8!! All from the bud Union.
What I “think” worked for me is roses say 3 years old, I didn’t pussy foot around. I pruned back hard the number of stems. Some roses with say 7,8 stems coming from the actual bud Union I went back to just 3. Taking out the weaker older ones. Some roses with 4 stems I went back to 3 or even two. I kept “some” height but reduced stems.
On many of my roses (although not all) it worked fantastic. This coming year I won’t need to be as brutal.
I’d like 4 or so decent strong young stems and most of my roses will have that this year. That’s my thoughts but like I say I don’t want to come across expert.
I think it's one of those situations that needs a Jay Jay scientific experiment comparing ideally 3 identical roses - one outdoors, one indoors in the shade, one indoors in the light. Go on, you know you want to (and it gives you the excuse you need to buy a few more bareroots)! As you say, in the UK we don't need to bring our roses in, so normally I don't. However, I have over the past few years put my new bareroots in as large pots as I had available, filled with fresh compost to feed them, and put the pots on the ground in the greenhouse where they will enjoy all the light that comes their way, and I have no reason to feel that it has had a negative effect, looking at their growth there and when brought outside in the spring, and later in the season. In fact I think it has mostly given an early boost to their growth and encouraged root growth and earlier flowering, but maybe I am deluding myself. I am doing the same this year, so will no doubt be putting video up of how they are getting on.
Funny thing is nik I was actually putting the thoughts together to type up the question on one of your videos, but it became so long I thought it would be quicker to just do a video.
I don’t think these experiments can always be so accurate or definitive. So many variables much of the time no matter how close we try and get things.
But I knew you move some of your potted roses inside for winter and with good results.
It was simply the stupidly early growth I saw this year and the subsequent growth after that, made me ask the question.
I’m still unsure, I’m sure a video exists somewhere but I’ve yet to see it.
I know roses can flower all year and do flower all year, but do they or would they benefit more with sleep. I’m still not sure.
@@Jay_Jay I just checked on my past videos, Blue Eyes flowered on April 12th in the greenhouse, but I think it is anyway an early bloomer, and it went on to continue flowering and growing bushy through the season, so no apparent negative consequences of being in the greenhouse.
The thing that makes roses go dormant is the temperature not shading them. Think about how bare root roses are stored. They put them in cold store to keep them dormant. When brought out, particularly if the temperature is warm, that wakes them up. If you have ever bought bare roots in feb/march even april when you have received them they have started producing buds. In order for roses to “sleep” they need that period of cold.
@@RossDriscoll thank you Ross. I wasnt sure if it was part of the growing process the roses needed light or if it would assist them sleep. But yes I have received bare root roses and the fresh stems were white in colour from lack of light. Cheers
Hi Jay Jay, we also had a very mild Winter, very wet and apart from one Weekend with an ice storm and snow with -13 C no winterbreak, I noticed in January already when the days started to get longer massive growth and …they have been sick all year, from mildew in May all trough summer… black spots and who knows what else…I put all my pots next to house on the eastern wall, out of the sun and keep them very dry
I hope keeping them shaded will prevent early growth and give them some rest, I do believe they need a time off to save energy, Vlies on the Roses keeps them warm and moist in my opinion only helps fungus to stay alive, get well soon…Best wishes from Germany ❤
4:06 Yes, I drag the black, woven polypropylene weed barrier from my vegetable garden and bury my roses under it which are susceptible to cane burn. My alba rose plant Felicite de Parmentier requires no coddling at all, quite tough and her perfume is rich, pure, strong old rose with no fruitiness at all. Everyone must have a Felicite de Parmentier, she evokes thoughts of old, genteel 19th century France and England, she dates back to late 1800s.
Hi Jay Jay, very interesting question. I think the modern roses probably not so much nowadays with all the new breeding techniques but the older roses like the Gallica's, Alba's etc they probably do need a period of dormancy to perform well. I don't know it's just my two penn'orth so to speak.
Good question mate
Cheers mate hopefully an expert can understand what I’m trying to say and nail it :)
@@Jay_Jay Good luck I would like to know as well :D
Thank you for the informative and interesting video, Jay Jay. I bought 11 roses last November. Already pruned and potted when they arrived and they also produced weak shoots, some of which got blitzed by hard frosts here in Ayrshire in Feb/March. None of them died but some of them never produced strong shoots when the warmer weather arrived. It just gave me the excuse to buy a load of big bushy, gorgeous roses, including two Dolce Vita, covered in buds and I'm very glad I did. I'm sticking with that supplier from now on. Their roses performed well in pots and I'm looking forward to seeing them bloom again next Summer. I don't know what compost formula is used by the suppliers but maybe that plays a part in failure or success - I don't know. Next Summer will reveal if my roses like John Innes No 3 or not 🙏😂👍🌹
Hi Bev, I don’t think you were alone with your experience.
I think a colder and wetter than usual April and May didn’t help.
And much of the growth “stemming” from that weaker early growth didn’t help. It perhaps wasn’t the best foundation growth to build from.
I know I had to cut much of that weak growth away and start again which I can only assume is a waste of energy.
I do like JI3, a nice dollop of that in the mix goes down well I find. Best of luck :) 🌹🌹
@Jay_Jay thank you Jay Jay. Yep, it is frustrating when we wait for Spring and then that happens. It's a bit like the beast from the east from a few Springs ago, and the milder spells fool the roses and then they get zapped again when the cold returns. The joys of growing plants 😂. Never mind. We do our best. Have a wonderful Christmas and here's to lots of flower power in 2025 🌹🌹👍
The trouble with putting roses in your potting shed is that when the sun comes out (as it does from time to time even in winter), the temperature rises inside and encourages early growth, so personally I wouldn't put them inside unless we have a really cold snap and you will want to prevent freezing of tender shoots and roots.
@@guysumpter6653 hi and thanks, yes I’ve never placed any of my potted roses inside before, but this year I do fear we could be in for a cold winter so I do intend to bring some in.
But the question is less to do with protecting them but more to do with having them in a position with no direct sunlight and a cooler position over winter to rest and sleep more. Do you think this would be more likely, and IF so, will it be beneficial in any way?
@@Jay_Jay My understanding is that dormancy is the roses reaction to cold and lack of sufficient light for growth and flowering. If summer lasted all year the roses would keep going too, so I don't think more 'rest and sleep' is beneficial. If we have warm spells in winter the roses will react to the temperature rise , but will then suffer a setback if the cold returns, which of course it what happens outdoors when early, warm Springs suddenly revert back to winter.
@@guysumpter6653 It takes ages for the warmer weather to arrive in Scotland. On average - late May/Early June. The only thing I can suggest is putting the pots inside two or three empty pots with thick newspaper on the surface soil surface in a concrete lock up garage. Out tortoise hibernated in one every Winter. The newspaper insulates from temperature changes in both cold and milder
@@guysumpter6653 2) sorry I accidentally tapped on send too soon. Yes, the newspaper is good insulation as is putting them inside extra pots 👍
@ that makes sense. If our winter ended each year on March 1st say, and spring started things would be easy. But we know it’s not like that.
well Im in zone 9. baffles me but thats what Im told. My little greenhouse warms up instantly when the winter sun hits it, lovely retreat for a snooze or a hot whisky on mild winter days. Ive been using it to overwinter begonias and geraniums. While this is fine and they are very happy I might have to stop it as we started to notice rust on geraniums in garden centres about two years ago, never had that before, and the rust persists through the winter and it spreads in the greenhouse. I’m sure that whatever roses carry on them would overwinter happily too and give me disease problems. Apart from that, random bursts of heat due to winter sun hitting my cosy greenhouse might confuse the normal dormancy period that roses are used to. Just my observations from an amateurs viewpoint. SIP SIP, AHHHH, time for a Jamesons or maybe a Poteen, in my cosy greenhouse. Just finished putting up the community xmas tree and the suns back after Darragh or Bert or both gave us a hammering. Cheers 🥃
@@roontunes Cheers ! Or as Rikki Fulton and Gregor Fisher said in a send up of The Beechgrove Garden -- Shears !! 😂
@ remember them well 😉
@@roontunes yeah, that was a really funny sketch 😂
3:40 Here in Ohio, 10 degrees fahrenheit and lower, with sun shining on the canes results in sun scalded canes, this injury slowly spreads and kills the canes down to 12 inches or less above the soil line, but it sounds to me as if your roses don't need to be brought in at all. Perhaps China roses would be injured by unusual, extreme cold in your are.
Jay you don’t need to store any roses in a greenhouse. They are really hardy. I have started pruning already. Some are starting to shoot. They are still relatively dormant.
Jay Jay, I hope you don't mind me posting this question here but does anyone have any idea what happened to rose lover Darren Harwood? His channel is now empty without any videos. What's going on? Is he all right?
@@ksionc100 I don’t know I will try and find out. And I echo your thoughts I hope they are ok.
Oh, I had to come find this comment to see who took their channel down. That’s so sad! I watched his videos often! I also hope he is ok!! Wish he would have left his content up! His yard was always very inspirational just like Jay Jay’s!
The best place is outside I guess. On 5°C the roots are working and developing. Hidden without sunlight it will fall asleep instead of developing roots over the winter. The greenhous is also risky because of to warm temperatures and diseases.
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Personally, I would just leave them outside Jay. I have seen beautiful roses blooming away in places with much milder temps with minimal to no winter rest. Plus, why go through all that faff? Let nature take its course. As mentioned in another comment, greenhouses can trap heat and in effect creating a warmer environment than outside. This might still stimulate them to break dormancy and produce new shoots. (The bareroots stored in dark normally produces pale shoots)This is just an observation but I am with you if you want to experiment and report👍
Hi there
I’m with you on that, let nature take its course (in uk climate at least). I know in some parts of the world potted roses will need to come inside to survive but not usually vital here.
But I’m still curious is it more beneficial for the roses to get that deep sleep, that full dormancy in the winter months
I know roses can perform all year pretty much dependent on location and climate. But is a full dormancy that important a part of the rose cycle to an extent that it affects the performance in the spring and summer months?
I’m sure there is a scientific answer that I’m just curious about. I’m hoping an expert can reveal all.
@@Jay_Jay This might sound silly but in a way it seems similar to animals going into deep hibernation. The processes their bodies go through. No food or drink all Winter. Our tortoises always had the best Winter hibernations in my Dad's brick lock up garage, covered in plenty of hay and newspaper for insulation from changes in temperature.
@ well I think even us as humans need sleep. I’ve heard it said before (although I don’t know if it’s true or even possible) that lack of sleep will kill you before lack of food!
@@MrCooldoc2000 Roses growing in warm countries, yep. Originated in Central Asia 5,000 years ago and the very first rose garden was established in China. Sometimes with the best care in the world, they still fade away. I would think that watching out for moulds and rot developing during the Winter is also very important. None of my roses died or froze solid in Scotland 😂 in their little original pots last Winter. I didn't want to take a chance with repotting them in November so I put them in several empty pots instead in an open windy area. Just the shoots got problems. What do the rose suppliers do with unsold potted roses, I'd love to know.
Hey there! I have a couple of David Austin roses and thinking on getting a kordes one (I am in South England). What would you recommend? Secret perfuma, lovely perfuma, sweet honey or novalis? I care most about plenty of flowers and health (perfume is nice but less important). Which one would you get?
@@carlita3341 sweet honey is a great rose. Very strong, 2 full flushes with huge amounts of buds and each flush lasts about a month. It will continue to flush until winter but with less flowers. No scent for my nose but others detect something. Good in rain and very healthy. This would be my pick from what you say. But watch out it’s very thorny. Good luck
@Jay_Jay thank you!!
My lengthy reply got swept away with removing dust from the keyboard 😡😡😡 so , with midnight nearing, I shall say that I try to provide my plants with as close as possible an environment like their native habitat.
This will be interesting to see what happens to the ones you bring inside. I hut the dislike button by mistake but I've corrected it now. Sorry 😊
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@@sc3pt1c4L hi, I did watch this video this morning, I see most of Jason’s content, but in the video he doesn’t discuss what I’m asking here.
@@Jay_Jay it was more the channel than that specific video. Let the roses sleep, I would say strip them of all leaves, even if they look healthy. Protect them from the worst of the frosts but allow them to experience mild frost. If they are in pots, raise them off the ground on bricks so they can drain better. Huddle pots together to reduce exposure to deep prolonged frost and windshear. If it is frosty for multiple days in a row, water sufficiently to stop the roots dessicating. Allow them to have natural light as growth is more determined by daylength and light quality than the temperature, especially below 6 degrees.
@ thank you. It is your second sentence and last sentence that is of interest along with any associated relevance/importance. This is what I’m just curious about.
All of your points of course I think are valid.
And perhaps my question is not so important, but if it’s simply a case of bottom shelf shade/top shelf full sun and IF… IF there is benefit between them.
@@Jay_Jay in short, I would put them on the middle shelf if the greenhouse/potting shed is subject to hard frost. Otherwise, the cells will freeze, and when they get rapidly heated in direct sunlight, especially south facing sunlight in spring, they will burst. Top shelf is best if frost free or other than south facing. When the plant starts to grow in early spring, it first needs to have chloroplasts. They are in the cells of the stems and will reproduce when daylength starts to increase. This will only be noticed by the plants if they are in the light.