Inside the Psychological Terror of SPIDER-MAN: KRAVEN'S LAST HUNT
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- An analysis of the classic Spider-Man horror story "Kraven's Last Hunt" by J.M. DeMatteis and Mike Zeck, with a look at the history of the event, DeMatteis and Zeck's storytelling techniques, and the dark themes of this highly influential Marvel Comics story.
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Read the complete essay on Comic Book Herald: www.comicbookherald.com/the-nightmarish-tragedy-of-kravens-last-hunt/
Matt Draper Can you do marvel’s what If series. If you want to.
Spider-Man: The Evil That Men Do is best Spider-Man story
Can you please do Spider-Man Life Story it’s a phenomenal read
@Matt it'd be awesome if you checked out and did videos on some of the lesser known Spiderman stories, i'd recommend you read Spiderman's tangled web and Paul Jenkins Spectacular run. Also i think Avenging spiderman #11 is the most under rated spiderman issue ever
where do you get the artwork from?
Kraven should have stayed dead after this story. Him believing he'd proven himself better than Spider-Man, letting Peter go after Vermin and killing himself just as his mother had was a fitting end to his character. Resurrecting him was another example of comics being unwilling to permanently kill certain characters off working against them. Film, TV series, games and other adaptations are willing to do what the comics themselves won't.
They kept him dead for a lot longer than the typical villain, but yeah I wish they hadn't brought him back. Which they've now undone kinda.
Xehanort10 and that goes the same for Norman Osborn in the clone saga
I wish he stayed dead, too, but you also have to remember comic books are a very different medium, as these titles will go on continually. Characters in movies can stay dead because that amount of movies is limited. Same with TV. We don’t know how long these titles will go on (especially with a character as popular as Spider-Man) but not any time soon, and if creators are hard-pressed for content, they may decide to bring a previously dead character back.
Jakeyb103 don’t forget Barry Allen
Xehanort10 I’m willing to let it go simply to keep Kraven’s brilliant persona in Squirrel Girl! One of my favourite reonventions of a character
I love this story. This story pushed Spidey to his psychological limits and turned Kraven into a tragic but scary antagonist. JM DeMatties was always great at exploring the minds of villains. To JM, the villains were broken people, battling their own demons.
His writing for Aunt May, Toombes and Harry is nothing short of fantastic, he never wasted pages and takes every opportunity to explore them.
Huh did the psychological part come from being buried alive?
“I am the Spider. No not the spider. I AM KRAVEN! I have slain the spider. Become him.”
What a story
When I first read this, I thought, "This is fucked up." Then I reread it and thought, "This is REAL fucked up."
Matt Draper can u explain the depth behind that line
Am I the only one who sees a resemblance with the book Red Dragon by Thomas Harris? I kinda see Kraven acting like Francis Dolarhyde
J.M Dematteis is a master of putting Spidey and the rest of the cast in a new light by exploring how the events of the stories affect them mentally, even more then physically!
True. J.M Dematteis could be consider the "Paul Dini" of Spider man, since most of his stories explore the mental state not only of Spider man but also of his villains, like Kraven, Mysterio and Harry Osborn, making them much more complex and human.
Spider-Man: The Evil That Men Do is best Spider-Man story
What Mysterio story has DeMatties written?
"If you want to overcome the whole world, overcome yourself," "Demons" - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
The art of this book is so awesome. The one cover of Spider-Man erupting from his grave is just beautiful (and reminds me of Batman RIP). The black suit never looked better than in this arc.
My favorite comic book story of all time. I’ve always said it’s Spider-Man’s “Killing Joke”. It should really be more iconic than it is imo.
Spider-Man: The Evil That Men Do is best Spider-Man story
@@vintheguy I dont think so.
@Frank Castle I dont think the Killing Joke loses imoact in or out of continuity. And dont share the interpretation Grant Morrison made popular saying Batman kills the Joker at the end. That just doesn t happen in that comic
@Frank Castle if you strech it that much maybe the story never happened , it was a dream of Harvey Bullock. In Moore s case you would have to compare his interviews about this comic because he contradicts himself quite a bit .
Ironic dc rejected it for being "similar" to killing joke
Fun fact: My Dad let me read this when I was 7. Another Fun Fact: This was my introduction to Spider-Man
Yet Another Fun Fact: This Video is Amazing.
That's a hell of a way to start Spider-Man!
@@MattDraper Oh yeah , He let you go off with a Bang
I would love to know your reactions to it
I read of this story through the Spider-Man Saga, and when I finally tracked it down, I was not disappointed. I also really love the spiritual sequel The Child Within which explores the origins of Vermin’s childhood trauma, Peter’s suppressed PTSD from being buried alive and how it compounded his personal guilt over losing loved ones even before Uncle Ben, and was the beginning of the end for Harry Osborn as the ghost of his father drives him back to the goblin suit and his eventual death. DeMatteis is one of my favorite writers for the deep psychological issues he explores.
The Child Within was the first DeMatteis story I ever read. At the time, I was going through some abuse in progress with my old man, so it really ripped me up. It took a while for me to realize that only a great storyteller like DeMatteis (and his art partner Sal Buscema) can pull that kind of reaction from a reader.
I’m bipolar and have attempted to take my own life more times than I can count. I have a very low tolerance for media portrayals of what it’s like because of how off base they usually are. This story is probably one of the most haunting realistic depictions I’ve seen. Just happens to be about evil Tarzan
Thank you for sharing and I hope you're doing alright these days. And yes, Evil Tarzan is Kraven to a T!
Matt Draper they diagnosed me as bipolar about 2 1/2 months ago and once they changed my meds to reflect it I’ve been much better. Still have my bad days, but it’s more manageable
@@BoyNamedSue4 I'm glad to hear that.
@@BoyNamedSue4 Ah, buddy, I'm glad you're getting the help you need. May you have many happy years ahead of you.
Stay strong King. I hope that one day everything will be allright
J.M. Demattis also wrote the best Harry Osborn Story in Spectacular Spider-Man #188-200. He also wrote underrated stories like “Light the Night” and The first arc of webspinners which gave new depth to Electro and Mysterio. I consider him a top 3 Spider-Man writer.
Damn right and he's no slouch on his own projects either. I still treasure Moonshadow with Jon Muth.
This is one of my favorite Spider-Man story! I would love for someone to bring Kraven for a live action movie. It would be glorious!
@@TonyTylerDraws Another two words : Gerard Butler
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@@TonyTylerDraws Jon Hamm, he proved it in Baby Driver that he can play an amazing antagonist.
Marcelo Schmidt Gerald Butler and in case anyone asked about the hobgoblin I would Tobin Bell or the bank manager from the dark knight
Frank Castle yes I think you’re right
What a masterpiece! And it's a perfect template on how to do dark deconstructionist stories! It's just like structuring a lesson according to adult education science.
Repetition: remind the reader of what they know.
Deconstruction: call aspects of the character, his motives or his world into question.
And the most important, but way too often forgotten part:
RECONSTRUCTION:
Show how the hero or his psyche has changed.
In this case it uses that formula to reaffirm that it's not the spider that makes Peter a hero, but the man. Something craven MIGHT have understood in his final moments, but I can see how that would be debatable!
By far my favorite Spiderman storyline: DeMatheis narration with superb Zeck pencils turned a C villain into one of my favorite villains ever
I'm a simple person, I see Matt Draper talking about Spider-Man, I click
I was fourteen when this came out. Fantastic.
I never thought it glorified suicide. Quite the opposite. It made you feel for Kraven. You knew there was something wrong and tragic going on.
That a part of him had completely broke. Likely when he realized. To defeat Spiderman, you could mean not attempt to truly harm him.
My mom's brother committed suicide when I was still a little kid. For the pain it caused her, I had always considered it a very selfish act, and in some ways still do.
This book made it more nuanced, but still made it a clear waste of potential.
In the book, Kraven showed he could do the right thing. He could have changed and found meaning and a reason to live.
However, he could not see past his pain.
I swear, if Marvel had a good animation studio like DC does, then this would make for a great animated film adaption versus what Hollywood wants.
Here after the Spider-Man 2 teaser and excited to see Kraven in the game. Im really hoping they adapt this story into the games narrative.
There's also a Kraven movie in the works starring Aaron Taylor Johnston in the lead role
Glad to know that whenever I do come back to this channel, it’s still amazing. Love this story (as weird as it gets) and this analysis
Spider-Man: The Evil That Men Do is best Spider-Man story
Not just my favorite Spider-man story, but my favorite comicbook story of all time.
This is absolutely my favourite Spider-Man story. I think it proves you can make a story of the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man really dark but really well done. This should certainly be made into a movie or a story DLC for the Insomniac games.
If I imagine myself being a hero. Either in the superhero, sc-fi, fantasy, or any type of genre. I find it tough and anxious to be playing the hero. Fighting off villains, saving citizens, and being put on a task to save the day. For me, I find it as imagination, kid stuff, fun and games. Until it becomes a serious task and journey. A scene in Spider-Man 2. A civilian grown man says about Spider-Man, unmasked and exhausted. And says, "He's still just a kid". I feel like that too. I am a young adult. When people mention or describe me, I am still just a kid. A child, a pampered baby boy child. Who views the world through imagination, childish escapism, curiosity, cuteness, peaceful, happy, fun, and a passionate experience I have been born my entire life. It's a way for me to cope with stress, anxiety, shyness, and loneliness. This is me, Javi. And that's my viewpoint and philosophy here.
Let’s cram a Batman story into Spider-Man.
As a kid I was so confused by this I had no idea who Kraven was why it was so weird
DeMatteis would keep on putting his horrific stamp on Spiderman with subsequent stories in Spectacular Spiderman. The first one of his I ever read was a followup to Kraven's Last Hunt, The Child Within with Sal Buscema. That one was, if anything, more harrowing, using Vermin and Harry Osborne to probe the pain and costs of child abuse.
In retrospect, those stories are the ultimate rebuke to the grim and gritty power fantasies of the era, showing the costs and lies of such.
I absolutely adore Kraven's Last Hunt, and your analysis was excellent as always, Matt. It was even similar (?) to one I made last year (I mean, you simply can't twist reality and make the comic be something else each time you analyze it, so common things will always be present no matter what).
And, of course, your videos are always top-quality, much more nuanced and thought out than even reviews from some major outlets. So keep it up, man. You're the best comic essayist or straight up the best comic-related UA-cam channel, imo.
This is one my my favorite Spider-Man stories. Good lord ,is it awesome. Everyone should read it. J.M. DeMatteis doesn’t get enough credit as one of the greatest comic writers ever. Spectacular Spider-Man #200 is another one of my favorite Spider-Man stories by DeMatteis.
That was Harry Osborne's final exit, correct? If so, that one was so sad and lonely an ending, built up over many, many issues, starting with The Child Within storyline.
Yes, you are correct. It was a gut wrenching story moment. Sal Buscema artwork made the entire thing better.
@@shanelorrison5224 Harry's final redemption and forgiveness is what stays with me, followed by about two pages of wordless panels that let the pain sink in.
Johnathon Haney - You said it better than I could. The wordless pages blew my mind at 14 years old and still resonate to this day. That goes back to my first comment about J.M. DeMatteis being underrated and under appreciated as a comicbook writer.
@@shanelorrison5224 He really is. Going all the way back to his work on Defenders, he's been consistently somewhere between Ray Bradbury and Harlan Ellison in his work. Do you have a favorite story of his?
I was wondering how long until you covered this story and BAM! Here it is, amazing video as always!
Another incredible video, Matt.
These is also one of my favorite stories.
I've been waiting for you to cover this and you have not disappointed! Great stuff dude like usual!
My favorite spider man arch. There was a good Kraven arch a few years back too where he was collecting superhero’s.
I love this story so much and you reminded how much I love it and why it's a beloved story of my favourite fictional character. Thank you for doing a video on this comic.
I still haven't found what I'm living for, maybe just the hope that tomorrow will be better.
what did you get out of this video? Im curious, I don't have a girfriend like Spidey to motivate me
I’ve been waiting for you to do this story since what feels like forever. You didn’t disappoint. Helluva episode.
One of my favorite spider man stories. Despite the dark tone, I really hope that MCU eventually adapt this amazing story or at least have Kraven in a Spider man movie. He's such a underrated villain.
And I hope they maintain the dark tone.
@@Christ2010Grad I hope that, if they keep the dark tone, they execute right, not in the awful way DCEU did with their movies.
Alexandre Frauches absolutely!!
I wish they dont adapt it the Mcu is family friendly. Perhaps an animated film could do justice to the story
@@TheVetoSkreeemer Maybe a sequel or spin off to Into the spider verse
I sometimes wonder how much this story gets impacted if Peter didn't have the symbiote and was in his old red and blue costume. In some ways, it works better with Peter being in the black suit because the symbiote was consuming him, and this story sort of redeems Peter, eventually leading to getting rid of it.
One of the great Spidey stories. Been waiting for this video!
To me this is the darkest spiderman storyline ever done it reinvented kraven in a different light and Spiderman was resented in that he is haunted by death and tragedy
OMG dude, your narration and ideas are so good, keep going
Great video Matt!
Great video as always!
Great video as always
I started reading comics in the early eighties as a kid. I enjoyed them but when "Kraven's Last Hunt" came out I was blown away. J.M. DeMatteis story was superb and Zeck and McLeod's art was amazing. I would put this right up with Miller's "Born Again", Claremont/Byrne's "Days of Future Past" and Simonson's Thor as essential 80's reading. Thanks for making this video, its really takes me back to being a 14 year old fan again.
Just discovered you thanks to a post on twitter, great show! Subbed!
Excellent (as always)! Please Matt, do one about SPIDER-MAN THE CHILD WITHIN (The Spectacular Spider-Man #178 - 184), the "spiritual sequel" for the Last Hunt.
Matt you are my favorite comics analysis I’ve ever seen but is it possible for you to do a Cerebus the aardvark analysis, controversies aside.
Quality content as always
This is a really great analysis.
I was just watching your secret wars video the you drop this bomb, love your videos man
Dude you're the best. Keep making videos ((:
I’m glad we got last hunt, but damn that Batman and Hugo Strange version would have been great.
Spider-Man 2 ps5?
Thank you Matt Draper for this Brilliant video Analysis of this Spider-Man Storyline Masterpiece.
The Analysis you mentioned with Enthusiasm and Passion explores how Deeper with Themes, Symbols, Inspirations inside this Comics makes it so Powerful and Entertaining to read with Reflections. This Comics himself made Spider-Man a Great Inspirational Hero Transformation. Mary-Jane Watson is a Benevolent Wife and the Values of Love inside Spider-Man Soul.
This Comics himself defines Spider-Man in all Themes explores in his Story.
Always Source of Creations for Future Spider-Man Fans Generations.
What also makes kravens last hunt memorable is how so many y writers fail to understand what makes it great. Too many writers write villains going darker and psychotic without good reason. Kravens here we get insight into his personality. And it’s all the more shocking because kravens was a goofy villain that most writers had forgotten about. I mean for gods sake, the chameleon-another goofy villain-goes psycho in the 90s to present day for….reasons! The fact that kraven died in his last hurrah makes it quite clear that death in comics can be a good tool. And the comic makes it clear that the violence kraven inflicts isn’t ok. Kevin Smith actually makes a meta commentary on the escalating violence comic books can do and how making b list villains go insane when he makes Mysterio as a mastermind homicidal villain for daredevil. Mysterio actually does very similar stuff to Kraven; he plots a smart plan against the hero with the intention of driving him insane all for reasons that the hero can’t understand. Both villains cause the hero to be separated from their loved ones. Mysterio wanted to be a big shot before he died while kraven wanted to regain his honor before he died Neither daredevil nor Spider-Man could have seen them coming. And yet Kevin smith has daredevil LAUGH and berate Mysterio for essentially being nothing more than a intimidator of other bad guys who went crazy and who did similar plans that brought nothing but pain. Mysterio even says in his last moments that he stole from Kraven by shooting himself. And all of this Mets reference has a big influence from Kraven last hunt
Great video
please matt, its my birthday, can you stop making me cry?...
great video really, you are a cool guy.
Happy birthday!
Great video!
Please make a video about Iron Man: Demon in a Bottle
I remember in the late 90s dematiess introduced alyosha who was posing as his dad was areal great story but he didn’t get to finish it which was a bummer also did that side story in the grim hunt where leaven meets kaine was amazing. He was born to write this character
I absolutely love that page of Kraven taking off his mask looking sad before laughing like an absolute lunatic
Thank you!
One of, if not THE BEST Spider-Man stories ever committed to paper.
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Goddamn I love every episode! Keep up the comic breakdowns! Would love to see a Fourth World breakdown or maybe a character study on Orion as he’s basically Luke Skywalker. Would love to hear you breakdown the Father/Son dynamic between Orion and Darkseid 💜
It's often been thought that Lucas swiped a LOT of Star Wars from the Fourth World saga, which had come and gone by the time Star Wars came along (Orion for Luke, Darth Vader for Darkseid, the Source for the Force).
Johnathon Haney I’ve always wanted to ask Lucas that if I ever met him. “HOW MUCH KIRBY DID YOU READ?”
I needed a video while i made muffins and you upload another perfect video
Since you’ve already done a video on a J.M DeMatteis comic, I’d love if you did a video on his run on Justice League International with Keith Giffen & Kevin MacGuire!
You should do Spider-Man Life Story for your next Spidey project! I would love to see you talk about it!
thank you so much
This one is one of my favorites.
This is my favourite Spider-Man story ever!
I remember back when you uploaded your Born Again video that I requested Kraven's Last Hunt for another video topic and here it is.
And it only took 2 and a half years!
I think we can all agree this is one of/the best Spider-Man stories ever
It’s kind of ironic how the writer of this phenomenal story also went to make Judas traveller of the clone saga.
(I personally don’t hold that traveller fiasco against him though.)
too many writers were on that story though
Real_Slim_Shady
Completely true.
Thank the speculator boom and 90’s marvel marketing for that crap.
Hard to believe my first comic was Last Hunt. I love it.
I really hope they adapt this storyline in the MCU with its Spider-Man.
I love this story it’s was really awesome and badass
Interesting that other characters were going to be in the story. Though I think it worked out for the best having it be Spider-Man and Kraven.
Beautiful art
I still need to read this story. I had a collected edition of Spiderman while had the venom suit and it wasn't in it. I guess it must have disrupted the pace too much.
My favourite darker Soiderman story is that team up is Spider-man Versus Wolverine by James Owsley, which is a pen name for Christopher Priest (let me know if I’m wrong). It was released in February 1987 so it was around the same time and man is it a great story. One of my favourite of any Spidey or Wolvie stories. I’m surprised it was green-lit. I’m sure Spidey has some PTSD. It’s in the Wolverine Omnibus vol. 1. Really good stuff. Give it a go.
Was that the one where Spidey accidentally killed someone with just one punch?
Imo the greatest thing about these books are the colors.
I've owned the deluxe version of this book for over 5 years and have not read it. This video changes everything!
The hardcover with all the extra stories? I have that, it's a really awesome collection of everything.
Matt Draper did you know about the hobgoblin saga?
@@MattDraper Yes! I got on discount for like 20 bucks. I gotta give that bad boy a read but my backlog is so big.
I just read it and damm it's amazing
Spiderman kraven's last hunt was my favorite spiderman story and it still looks pretty good for a 1987 graphic novel
awesome
what software is used to edit comic book panels like this?
I need to do this for a project anyones help would be appreciated
One of the best mini-series in comic book history.
I have a hard cover copy from the early 90's with the paper cover still intact somewhere in a box in my attick I should dig it out and see how much it's worth 🤔
Superior spiderman really took from this story.
Draper's the man!
Grim, grim and grim. I bought these issues back then and I did wonder *"did I buy the right title!!?"*
A major change of pace for Spider-Man. I don't alway like grim Spidey stories, but when done right, they're great.
Had that same feeling when I picked up DeMatteis' followup to this, The Child Within, as a set. Actually, I kind of felt betrayed by that. I'd been looking for an escape from my abusive household only to run right into a story that put me face to face with what was wrong with my life right then
I would love if you did a video on Spider-Man Life Story. It was one of the most moving comics I have ever read in my life.
Check out Owen Likes Comics' video on Life Story!
Matt Draper thanks for the tip
@@MattDraper Also a video about "Superman: The Black Ring" a deconstruction about Lex Luthor and how pathetic and childish his hatred of Superman is.
The Scene Where Kraven Off's Himself in Last Hunt. Is the Same Thing Mysterio Would do in Kevin Smith's Daredevil Story ''Guardian Devil''!!!
It honestly baffles me why this story isn’t taught in schools like Watchmen and the dark knight returns, It’s a literary marvel in the form of a comic.
Spider-Man: The Evil That Men Do is best Spider-Man story
@@vintheguy That's the one with Black Cat that Kevin Smith wrote?
Damn it! Now I have another thing to read!
Kraven, you are going through a pretty hard time. You’re eating spiders. Kraven. Please.
Can you do a video like this on Superman Where is Thy sting.
Kraven helped Peter to kill his shadow, his "dark side": the "spider". That's why he makes him fight Vermin and is happy knowing that the MAN won, not the spider (the shadow). It's sad that Kraven couldn't do that for himself, but he was kind of a hero in the end, although the obvious villainous things he does before that.
I own most of these. Some of the first spider man comics I read
Please do a video of Venom by Donny Cates or any title of him
Hearing this storyline being pitched as 2 Batman stories makes me wonder. With this video showing the different interpretations of what Spiderman represents. Makes me wonder if Batman and Spiderman switched universes and had to play the other hero, what would that come off as. Would Bruce make the Spiderman more cold quiet, would Peter make Batman more public a figure saving people rather than just a mythos.