The Hidden Meaning & Psychology of KRAVEN'S LAST HUNT! (Spider-Man) || NerdSync
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Kraven's Last Hunt is one of the most praised Spider-Man stories ever written. Today, we're taking you through the history of the story's creation and analyzing the hidden meaning behind the tale's major themes about the duality of Spider-Man, the conflict between man and animal, and how individual perception of costumes and clothing can influence the wearer's behavior via a psychological phenomenon called enclothed cognition. There's a lot to talk about in this classic webhead story, so let's dive in!
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I do not know why I said "Mark Zeck." My script clearly said "Mike Zeck," as it should be. I'm an idiot. I have also received confirmation that I _definitely_ pronounced DeMatteis wrong. He told me on twitter that it is pronounced DeeMaTAYiss.
I am a fake nerd.
NerdSync oh noooooo
I love this comment.
what happened to the weekly trivia challenge it stopped on episode on weapon x
Alex Cordova he said it was because he was running out of questions (or something like that)
Dude...first of I love the channel, by why you trying to be all "HIPSTER-NERD-PUNK" with that superfluous hair style...? KNOCK IT OFF BRO, I swear "I" got this channel SOOO many subbers when it looked like you just "got outta bed and made a vid..." YEAH DUDE...! #justmyopinion
Reminds me of short story called "the clothes make the man". In it a group of thieves are sneaking into a bank. The lookout puts on a police costume and after a few positive encounters with passers by he decides he loves the identity so much that he will change his ways and subsequently arrests his fellow thieves.
So he's a traitor
Where could I find that story?
Sounds great.
@@daelen.cclark Wow! It's been over 5 years since I made that comment. Reading it again feels like finding a mysterious scrap of paper with my handwriting on it, while cleaning out boxes in my basement. I have the vague sense that the story was told to me by my friend Bruce Thompson who teaches philosophy at Palomar College in Sothern California. It's possible he even wrote it, I don't know. He has written a few books. I'll send him an email and try to get back to you.
Spider-Man was the original web comic.
took me a second... But once I got it I loved it. XD
Jason Holmes Nice!👏
I R8 8/8 m8
I died XD
Jason Holmes slow clap
Wait? Are you saying Clark Kent is Superman?
Madness, Clark Kent is a nerd. He can't be Superman!
that's impossible, they met each other recently on Action Comics!
Pfft. What next? Billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne is Batman?
That's impossible! Clark Kent wears glasses but Superman has perfect vision! Better than 20/20 more like 100/100.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache Nah... That actor guy Ben Affleck is the Batman... So it can't be Bruce..
They should make an animated movie about Kraven's Last Hunt
Jake Bryant true but I really doubt Disney/Marvel would have the balls to make it x'D
I'd like that. Have the guys who did castlevania do it.
Jake Bryant Let's hope they won't screw it up.
marvelousdcgeek 97 Sony has balls
Daniel Nikolaev You sure? Sony sold the animations rights to Disney which ended Spectacular Spider-Man. Everyone blames Marvel for not bringing back Spectacular but Marvel doesn't have the rights to that show. Everyone knows that Spectacular Spider-Man is the greatest Spider-Man cartoon there ever was and Sony killed it.
I don't think any other comic has done as much for a villain as this one did for Kraven.
Seamus Rae So true.
indeed
Seamus Likes Movies By giving him insane plot armor and using it to completely humiliate Spider-Man? How is that anything good?
@@djrocksgaming6255 how the hell did Kraven have plot armor
@@Username-wj8pz Spider-Man has repeatedly dodge attacks at the speed of light, and bullets have never consistently been an issue for him because of his speed, but Kraven somehow manages to tag him with tranquilizers?
Furthermore, Spider-Man completely outclasses him physically. Kraven was just a low-level superhuman with the enhancement drugs. Spider-Man has to pull his punches against the likes of Scorpion. Kraven shouldn't have been able to fight him.
Kraven's Last Hunt is seriously one of my favorite comic book stories of all time. I'm so glad you're doing a video about it.
This for some reason reminded me of when in one of the Justice League Movies Wonder Women does the lasso on some poor guy and he cries out "I sometimes cross-dress in a Wonder-Women outfit... It makes me feel powerful" And she laughs and says "It makes me feel powerful too!".-.
Wish For Death That is in Justice League: War. Love that movie.
Christian Ayne same
He wanted to finally conclusively prove he was not only better than the spider, but a better spiderman before he died,
I'd say he proved his point
I loved how vermin was the pivotal contrast between Peters vision of Spiderman and kravens distorted mirror image
for me this story rivals the killing joke in both ranking and meaning and potential for theories
I don't even need to watch it to give a thumb up. Kraven's Last Hunt is the ultimate Spidey story ever.
I remember reading this as a kid in the 80s when it came out. I was pretty young so a lot of it went over my head; but it always stuck with me. In my teens when I was making my own characters and comics I even borrowed some of the imagery.
So Scott, did you make fewer mistakes during the production of this video?
Impossible. Scott makes no mistakes
did you make*
Might want to put on a lab-coat. ;)
Gardow as you can see, I didn't wear my lab-coat
He did.
Who else wants to hear more about Joker killing Batman and becoming sane?
It happens in Legends of The Dark Knight #65-#68
I've got to say, Kraven's Last Hunt is my favourite (or atleast one of my favourite) Spider-man stories. From the beautiful ingration of art, to the dueling battle between human and being a caged beast as Spidey himself tackles his demons. It's a dark story that works, with macabre but beautiful artwork as it slowly builds and the villian triumphs. I could ramble on more... but for now that's all.
Wish NerdSync wouldn't stoop to click-bait titles and the click-bait red arrow... Such good content deserves better.
You'd love one of his most recent videos then!
He made one on clickbait comic titles and subjects recently.
NerdSync do a vid explaining why female superheroes wear such revealing costumes (not that im complaining) it would be a interesting topic ;)
Hal sorry but it is wear not where
I'd say it could be one of three things.
1. To show off their physique and make them look physically appealing. For the male heroes its easy, just show they have a good looking body, that can be shown with a skin tight outfit but for women, in my opinion it looks better if some skin is showing. Wonder Woman's costume wouldn't look that great if it covered all of her body like Superman's but as it covers just her chest, wrists and feet, showing off her body, it looks great and sexy. Same with Super Girl, she has the top half covered by her costume but just a red skirt for a bottom, so it shows her off and makes her attractive, it emphasizes her body in a way that the male costumes don't need because with males, about the only private areas are their butt and genitalia and that's covered but for women, a lot of parts with them can be sexy so with their revealing costumes it emphasizes these attractive areas without making them naked.
2. To appeal to males as I'd say males read comics more than females and likely straight males make up the majority as well so straight males would prefer to see a sexy outfit on a females because they are attracted to them.
3. If a female had a full, skintight outfit, while they aren't actually naked, it could give the look of them being naked since most of their body is the same color and their breasts are hanging out in full shape as well as their private area so the revealing costumes prevent this because now its not their full body on display, just portions of it.
These were basically me trying to think of plausible reasons why this could be. I don't agree with any of these, just tried to make possible arguments for the reason. Chances are, 2 is the main reason but with all the videos on this channel and their topics, who knows? Maybe there is a deeper reason for the revealing costumes besides sex appeal.
Hal many comic creators are male, at least in the beginning. Also maybe they want to get more sales
MysteriousTomJenkins actually I think it's almost 50% women who read comics
Axman7281 Wouldn't know myself but that sounds pretty cool.
Awesome, great video! Made me have a much deeper appreciation for this run.
Thanks
I read this as a kid, it messed with me hard. It was a my introduction to mental disorders and suicide. I read it over and over, I judged every comic I read after that off this comic. It's still a benchmark for me.
Not to be a hipster *puts on horn-rimmed glasses* but I really don't understand the praise this comic gets. Kraven didn't "become" Spider-Man. He put on the costume, but the psychology was missing completely. Spidey doesn't kill, he doesn't fight just for the challenge, he doesn't push himself to his limits unless it's demanded. Maybe that was the point and maybe that's why everyone else in the universe loves this comic so much, but I Personally would've loved to see Kraven understand the psychology of what it means to be Spider-Man, to put protection above the hunt, similar to what Doc Ock goes through. Instead, he dies satisfied that he's superior, when in reality, he's accomplished nothing.
But that is the entire meaning of the story. Kraven has always seen Spidey as an animal to a big game hunter. He doesn't care about the man under the mask, he just cares about the animalistic side of Spider-man. Think about it, he has Spidey unconscious long enough to bury him and "become" him but he never bothers taking the mask off to find out who he is. To Kraven, that didn't matter. Peter Parker meant nothing to him, but the Spider had defeated him again and again. That destroyed Kraven who fancied himself as the world's greatest hunter. To him, everything is a hunt. So when he finally defeated "The Spider" it wasn't enough, he had to "become" him and defeat someone he knew Spidey hadn't defeated on his own to prove to himself that he was better. That's why he committed suicide at the end, he saw Spider-Man as the ultimate hunt and once he defeated him and proved to himself that he was better, his life was complete, there was nothing left for him, his hunts have finished.
I'm aware that's what the story is about, I'm saying I don't understand the praise of it. What does the story accomplish by continuing to make Kraven the Hunter who he already is? Would it not have been more interesting to let him actually see the man behind the Spider for once. To let him understand why he could never be Spider-Man? To challenge his very belief that it wasn't an animal that had defeated him, but a man.
Imagine, say, if while in the middle of fighting Vermin, Kraven needed to be saved from... whatever, and Spider-Man chose to save him instead of defeat Vermin. Imagine how distraught Kraven would be to know that a man with morality is what fueled the Spider. This could even be the thought that drives him to suicide, to know that everything he's ever known about Spider-Man is a lie.
I simply think allowing Kraven to die in his own satisfaction just isn't very thrilling as far as stories go. I would rather his viewpoint be challenged, even if in the end, he couldn't accept it.
If February is Webuary, May should a a month of videos about Aunt May
this was the the first comic book I've ever gotten!
Still can't get over the Spider Room. It's a room...full of spiders...that you eat. It's like a nightmare version of the Pure Imagination Room in Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory.
I hope they do “Kraven’s last hunt” in the third Spiderman movie
Kraven’s Last Hunt TPB was one of my all time favorites. It was the first glossy paged graphic novel I ever owned. It was a gift from Dan Cuddy who I went to visit at Marvels old offices on Park Avenue South. Cuddy was the editor on Spider-Man during its initial Run in the 90’s with Todd McFarlane penciling.
This was really interesting! Makes me wonder about my own fashion choices :D
Kraven’s last hunt is my favorite spider-man story. I really hope that they adapt it into the MCU at some point.
Kraven's death scene would be even more heart breaking at that point.
I am so happy that you covered this, Kraven's Last Hunt is my favourite Spider-Man story of all time!
My favorite Spidey story, Child Within follows that, then Venom.
I think how others react to the costume has a bigger impact.
this is one of the greatest videos you ever uploaded. It is always important that how stories can be meaningful and not just entertainment.
It's interesting that the black suit is the suit used throughout the story, since it represents peter's darker side
So it's interesting that kraven would go for that suit to be a more dark and 'superior' spider-man
That's not the suit Kraven goes for. That's the suit Peter was using at the time.
I think Scott might be a nerd...
Carlos Rodriguez nah
Carlos Rodriguez he's a robot
He's a nerd, in sync. Get it??
Carlos Rodriguez naaah...
Really? What was your first clue?
im still salty about OMD
BobWasTaken Bro me too
BobWasTaken Bro £pounds
Awesome Video, I took a look at "The Tyger". It was really interesting how in-sync it was with this comic! From what I read into it, the poem seemed to tell a story of someones mental and emotional institution cracking from trying to compete or relate with the "tiger." I could be reading into this all wrong, either way, awesome video and I loved the lab coat analogy!
I think all nerdsync videos should be like this
comic misconceptions*
It's official. Webruary is my favorite UA-cam month
While Kraven's Last Hunt was one of my favorite super hero stories when it was released, my middle aged self feels like it might have been a long term negative influence on comic books (along with other great stories like Watchmen and The Dark Knight). Although I loved each of these stories I never wanted most books to emulate them. I was happy with their darker tone and content being unique. I fell out of comics in the mid 90s but it seems like so much I've heard about in the intervening years has been really ugly and outside of the spirit of the books I grew up on. Do you feel like I'm only aware of the worst impulse stories? What's the line between this dark story and those?
Great video. KLH is my favourite graphic novel of all time and this video was right on time for my birthday!
My favorite spiderman comic
Loved the vid!, I've been waiting for this one
Eyyyyy this video was a pretty good 👌🏽👌🏽
Scott, it's because lab coat adds +1 to INT
Also you gotta love well researched analysis :3
Vermin is basically Gollum.
He acts like Gollum but can go toe to toe with Cap and Spidey or Kraven without a ring.
I think Scott just likes the lab coat and found a way to work it into a video.
Great videos Scott. I've been a fan for awhile.
This is definitely my favourite Spider-Man story!
80's and 90's where the best years of Spider-Man. Before it was a bit more "gag" and after it was just... "wrong".
OMG WEBUARY IS A THE SAME MONTH AS MY BIRTH DAY AND SPIDER-MAN IS MY FAVORITE SUPERHERO!!!....thank you so much Scott
Ollie Nix Me too! I love Spider-Man and I was born on Feb. 27th!
Devin S this is perfect for the both of us and my b-Day is February 18th
February 11th
william kinlan That is my birthday too!!!!
violent blue13 mine as well
This is one of my favourite comics stories ever. it's up there with things like Dark Knight Returns for me. I live in Fiji and the first time I went overseas and entered a comic store, the collected book for this story was the first thing i ever bought. BUT I read this issue by issue back in the early 90s when I was like 10.
It's better
This is fantastic. My birthday is in February (yesterday) AND my favorite hero is spiderman
I know what your talking about I acted differently when I wore a military uniform then when I wore regular clothing.
except that in the experiments, it is more focused on the influence of suggestions (scientists saying the meaning behind the white coat influences the participants' behavior.) while in spiderman, kraven has his own set of pre-conceptions, and so does spiderman, which affected both their actions.
Please cover spidergirl aka mayday Parker because she deserves justice
So when Melissa Benoist says that whenever she puts on the Supergirl costume she feels transformed, that is sincere?
SoapyandPhil Well in a technical sense it's as sincere as the author wants if we discuss her as a person it probably is.
Those first parts of that study actually never took place, and the actual study that is ongoing is actually about how people internalize the fake knowledge that people with fake knowledge act differently and how they actually act according to that.
I loved this video, though I thought it was going to focus more on the aspect of accomplishment and death. Still Scott, great video.
Great video for a great story
You've covered this in a lot of your 'costume' videos, but I'm sure there is some truth to the "clothes make the man" concept. Costumes/uniforms can influence the way the wearer thinks they should behave when wearing the outfit, while others expect certain things of the individual based on the outfit (another concept that comes up in many a superhero story where it's a different person behind the mask, usually it's their behaviour being different that gives them away.)
Will you be doing a video with "The Spider" Richard Wentworth? The pulp hero now being published by dynamite comics?
Holy crap! February is amazing! My birthday, now an entire month of Spider-Man!
It's the same basic thing as saying a person wears many different hats. I read a book once that recommended you do the same thing every once in a while; that you cast your self as saint or sinner in your own life and ascribe all the best or worst motives to your actions and then notice how it affects you moving forward, of course it also recommended that I go out and proselytize for Santa Claus and drink water while urinating ... just essentially a book of hey try this weird bit for a little while
Great video. I'm especially interested in that study you talked about. I think there might be a flaw, however, in that it doesn't seem to account for the possibility that the group wearing the lab coats (as opposed to the group wearing the "painter's smocks" or the group not wearing lab coats) might just be smarter than the other group. Intriguing concept though.
I would've picked the people that had the most errors in the first test be told they were wearing lab coats and those that committed the least errors be told they were wearing painters smocks. That would show with a little more evidence that what they were wearing made a difference.
What you're describing is called selection bias, a threat to internal validity. Random assignment controls for that if you use a large enough random sample. Of course, experiments like this often use college undergrads, a population that tends to be smarter on average as a whole when compared to the general population at large, hence there is always an issue with external validity in these types of studies.
I used to be a retail pharmacist, and I did feel different when I wore the coat. It was more a mantle of the profession, and it made me feel much more authoritative and have a gentler "bed side" manner.
Scott, there is quite a lot going on in KLH. I hope you can return to the book later and discuss some of the other themes and ideas.
This reminds me of how Azreal during the No Man's Land storyline often said that he needed the suit in order to do the things he does. I didn't look much into his character, but is it a mental reason why he can't fight without the suit or does the suit have special properties?
EDIT: He got a new costume later on in the storyline made by Batman and it might be just a mental reason for why he can only be good as Azreal while wearing the suit
great video!
I highly recommended the slight changed audio book of this tale and this arc is the best Spidy ever went though. Going Sane could have been better though.
So does that mean that at some point this month the topic of Spiderman 2099's costume being either black or blue will come up?
Can you just read more poems? Loved that little bit.
You deserve more subscribers!
I'm really interested in Playster, but I just wish they had more Marvel and DC comics.
0:19 I get it
Amazing video, really interesting
Having Joker go sane after killing Batman sounds like a pretty cool idea. He has an unsettling fascination with the Dark Knight so I can definitely see him lose all purpose in his life as the Joker if Batman is gone. There are two moments I like when it comes to the Joker because I find them to make sense for his character. Also, I am putting a spoiler warning for Arkam Knight up here since one of the moments is from that game and I don't want to spoil it so be warned, I talk about a moment from the game, don't click 'read more'.
1. Actually being afraid of the Punisher killing him: I like this because for me, I see Joker as a showman and in his own, twisted, crazy way, he's entertaining people and his best acts are always with Batman as their opposing views and personas make for great battles. With that in mind, how lame would it be if the Joker just died by a crazed gun man? Now, the Punisher isn't just a lunatic with a gun, but that doesn't really matter, he is crazy, and he is a killer, and he's about to kill the Joker, Joker, arch nemesis of the Batman, who has done all these messed up, crazy, fucked up things, who terrorizes Gotham daily. How is he about to die? In some final act where he causes irreparable damage to Gotham to serve as an immortal memory to his actions? By the hands of the Batman who he finally broke and made him kill him? Nope, he dies by a guy with a gun and at best, Punisher will be remembered for murdering him. That's why I honestly find it pretty interesting and reasonable that he'd be afraid of Punisher shooting him, not because he fears death, but a mundane death.
2. Being afraid of being forgotten: In Arkam Knight, Joker, or at least the personality of Joker inside Batman, fears being forgotten. As Batman starts to regain control of his mind, he starts making Joker see a world in which he is dead and he is forgotten, people don't know who he us and people see someone like Two Face or Penguin as Batman's big bad guy and this upsets him, it terrifies him. This ties into what I was saying earlier, to me, the Joker doesn't fear death, he fears being forgotten, fears that everything he has done will have no lasting impact which is why he was probably happy to become immortal in the second game because then he could be around forever causing chaos where ever he went but if he is forgotten, everything he did was meaningless. You're not much of an entertainer if what you produce is forgettable and the Joker is definitely not someone who'd want to be forgettable. He has a gas that gives people his deranged smile, in DCU Online, in the trailer, he is pissed when he sees Deathstroke kills Batman before he does and in Injustice he is already wanting to find a way to top nuking Metropolis. He wants to be immortal, either in the literal sense or the figurative sense and if he dies in a mundane way and/or is forgotten, then he isn't immortal, he is a nobody, only important when he was alive and no one cares now.
Before he was the Joker, is a POSSIBLE origin for the character, he was a failed comedian, no one gave a shit about him until he became the Joker and now he is one of the worst villains in the DC universe, he is also note worthy for his battles with Batman, one of the greatest heroes of the DC Universe so if he lost Batman, he loses a big part of what makes his "act" great so being the Joker is pointless to him. If he dies in such a mundane way as being shot in the head by the Punisher then its a lame end to his act, a death not worthy of the Clown Prince of Crime. If he is forgotten then his act meant nothing, it wasn't great if it isn't memorable enough to last throughout the ages. These three concepts I think work well for the Joker in terms of "weaknesses" for him. He needs Batman, he needs to be spectacular, he needs to be known and if one of these things doesn't happen, then that is bad for the Joker.
Also, yes, I know this video is about Kraven the Hunter, I just found the concept of Joker going sane after Batman is dead a really cool concept so I wanted to talk about how I see the Joker. Feel free to ignore this comment, some of this I have already talked about in other comment sections so I am basically a broken record at this point.
The entire time he was talking about clothing I expected a trunk club ad.
I had this book (the only Spider-man comic I ever owned), but traded it for Batman #408, the first post-Crisis appearance of Jason Todd. As much as I didn't appreciate what I was giving up, I didn't realize what I was getting in exchange. I simpy thought the Batmobile (mid-tire theft) looked cool on the cover.
Iron Tiger Grave mistake, grave mistake..
slow clap.. great job! brought me back
Webruary! every time it's said an uncle Ben from a different spiderverse dies lol excited to see what the month of the spider holds.
So playter don't have video games no more i see. I love my sci and my comics.
Scott looks like captain Olimar with this hairstyle
Kraven was Spidey's Bane
Hey, since you are getting sponsored are you going to be able to hire back some of your crew?
great video
This was such a great video. Things are in weird place now with the channel. The duck tails was pretty good. The jug heads hat was great. I have other channels to talk about the movies about the comics.
I think the wonderman story would of been good, also I heard that instead if vermin for this story they were going to use doppelganger spiderman which would of been interesting
i think that doctor Connors would have been a pretty cool alternative, but he did that to himself while Vermin just happend.
Notification squad, assemble!
2:49 your driving me sane
I just got the epic collection of this story
This was a good video
Do SPIDERWOMAN! Best thing out of Marvel for two plus years
Wasn't there a recentish comic that kind of went like this, only it was Kraven's family vs the Spiders?
Cool video!
lol, I feel like the suit could definitely change the man underneath when it is a Symbiote... unless you want to argue that addiction can't change a person. (Plus, I feel like it's at least been implied that it does change people, lol)
Wait, was peter wearing the actual black suit or just a fabric copy?
A fabric copy made by Black Cat, she gave it as a gift to Spidey because according to her he looks sexy in the black suit.
This is actually really cool! Wearing a lab coat doesn't just make you feel smarter, it makes you smarter!
So is Kraven actually alive or is Unbeatable Squirrel Girl set somewhere else/isn't cannon
His family ressurected him later on
Did he really shoot him with a tranquilizer? Wouldn't being buried underground for two weeks kill Spider-Man? I thought the shotgun blast at close range killed him and Madame Webb brought him back or the beyond her or something like that