It’s not so much that you wouldn’t have to worry - by large, they’d be envious because they are in the districts where the kids are raised _dreaming_ of becoming a career/tribute. It wouldn’t really be a situation where there is a sense of relief or “living in peace”, but more so a letdown if they’re not the one going in because they view it as doing the best thing that they can ever do with their life: serve Panem via The Hunger Games. It’s honorable in their minds, and there is even greater honor and pride they so happen to win. If anything, I’d imagine that there would be more of an issue deciding who will take those spots first because the majority would be clamoring to have that spot to be apart of history.
something that haunts me is the character of enobaria. she became synonymous with ripping people’s throat out in her games… but that’s not something you would be trained for. that’s an act of fear. then, to become so well known for one of your most animal acts that you (likely persuaded by snow/capitol) then permanently alter your body to further the ruthless cold killer narrative. she was just scared little girl :(
I think a lot like a lot a lot about poor glimmer playing up her good looks to get sponsors not knowing what it would do her to if she did win. The detail with the trafficing of the victors is genuinely one of the most horrific details about any dystopia ya or not. The fact that even after they win the games after they perform like the capital wants them to they still don't own their bodies simply because they're from the district and the people from the capitol don't see them as people
Especially considering that, when Katniss asked Haymitch if what happened to Finnick happened to him, Haymitch says no, that they killed everyone he loved to serve as a warning and brings up Cashmere of all people. Haymitch is described as attractive in youth, so it would not be surprising if he did have the same fate as Finnick but was probably too rebellious and it would probably be too much of a hassle to break him instead gojg "Here, he's young and attractive, If you are young and attractive and don't do what we say, just look at what happened to him!" Haymitch bringing up Cashmere along with Finnick implies she was also trafficked-and he knew! And considering that Cashmere and Glimmer have the same vibe, same would surely happen to her.
Glimmer’s poison ring reminds me of the compact Snow gave to Lucy Gray in the 10th Games - there was no chance he would let someone else trick the Capitol with a deadly token. Such a good video!!
I have a headcannon that her mentor (who knew how cruel the capitol could be , even if she won) was trying to get caught and was hoping it could lead to a death outside of the arena, not at the hands of another child who it would traumatise
i’m fairly sure that cato was actually named after cato the younger, a roman senator. he was an enemy of caesar and eventually committed suicide when he realized his fight was hopeless. him being named after the senator would make a nice parallel to his death, as well as showcasing how district 2 tributes are often given roman names to emulate the aesthetic of the capitol.
At 30:41 , I think the significance of the dried fruit isn't that he took some for himself, it's that he arrogantly believed there would be whatever food he wanted back at the cornucopia. Even if he had survived his encounter with Katniss, the Careers were all screwed if they all decided to pack raisins instead of say, bread or beef jerky. Katniss was definitely expecting some seasoned beef or something in Marvel's pocket, but he picked RAISINS as the contingency food to carry on his person in the Games.
It's wild because wouldn't he as the careers know they'll turn on each other as soon as they kill all the others and battle again over the stock among themselves soon. Why wouldn't he be prepared with essentials in the backpack he can run with when that happens
or maybe it's just that he genuinely did not know what he would need, in the case that the supplies were destroyed. i think of people in the developed world who have no outdoor experience going camping/hiking and packing trail mix, nuts, and a couple bottles of water.
Capitol is suspect. Remember nudity (full) is used as a gimmick every so often katniss remarks that her district was featured completely nude with bits of coal dust, glimmer has a see through dress which means nudity or partial nudity is probably used often. Also after she wins Katniss says she acts and is dressed ultra soft claiming she looks no older than 14 and the capitol eats it up.
@@irixaee Yeah their obsession is definitely reminiscent of some Roman emperors. Also the fact the hunger games provide a safe way for capital residents to safely fan boy/girl over literal tributes age 12-18 on a yearly bases is also interesting
Was actually based on modern America and Holywood. The only rome part was the games themself and the "panem at circa" bread and circuses themeing. The theme was rome. The capitol was holywood.
I generally agree, but i think Katniss being made up soft and like a 14yo, after she wins was by design by Senna to make her look as innocent and unthreathening as possible after the rebellious stunt she pulled in the arena. If she appeared more mature and serious it would be easier to see what she did as a calculated move and a rebellious act against the capitols orders. Her looking as young and soft as possible makes the whole, silly girl in puppy love acting irrationally out of love more believable for the capitol.
The argument about Cato being the type of potential revolutionary hero that Snow would expect, and therefore easily knows how to control/ brains is very fascinating. Especially considering Snow’s prior friendship with Sejanus Plinth, also from District 2. Cato and Sejanus have very different personalities but they do have a few things in common. Beside their district and having the odds in their favour (Mr Plinth being able to buy Sejanus out of all trouble until the end), they are both outwardly very emotional people. Cato is violent and aggressive out of pride, arrogance and being brainwashed by the Capitol. Whereas Sejanus is highly empathetic, loyal to the districts and a revolutionary thinker resistant to brainwashing. However, both of them freely express their thoughts and emotions in a reckless way. There is no hiding who they are and being in a privileged position only gets them both so far- near the end of their respective novels. I don’t think this is a coincidence now. Snow was expecting someone with that emotive and obvious personality, or the showy personality like Lucy Gray. Even though Katniss reminds Snow of Lucy Gray, he is even more threatened by Katniss as she is not the sort of revolutionary hero he expects. Someone stoic who lacks charisma, yet somehow wins hearts and minds. Snow was not prepared for this after his past experiences with Sejanus and Lucy Gray. I think that was partly the point- a true hero can be anyone, even the one you least expect.
I just keep thinking about how many tiny 12 year olds were saved bc a career volunteered. It doesn’t make them heros exactly, but it’s the best option to a really unfair system.
I haven't seen such an incredible and in depth video on such complex yet unexplored and underrated characters like this before. I had had the thought on how each of their deaths were ironic. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. Glimmer's for beauty, Marvel's for being easily forgettable, Clove's for helplessness, and Cato's for having all those he killed killing him, while having the realization that all he had lived for meant nothing. In a sense, you could almost feel more sorry for them then the tributes who are reaped, because they have been fooled with their lives whereas the others haven't.
Ah finally, somebody else who can't stop thinking about the Careers. I can't stop wondering about whether or not their most mean spirited scenes, such as the ones they seem to be having fun murdering their contestants, were an act for the Capitol to not know how terrified they might've been during some of those kills. Naturally, they would not be as scared as the less prepared Tributes would be and probably knew how to dehumanize their opponents in their minds so the act of killing in cold blood wouldn't affect them as much, but they were also children. I can't stop thinking about how much Clove's death and the mutt attack affected Cato, how scared and alone he seemed to be in the books in the final day of the Games. Cato and Clove also seem to be a narrative foil to Peeta and Katniss, whether you interpret their dynamic as romantic or platonic, and it just makes both of their deaths weight a lot on me. Despite it all, they were just teenagers Also, I'm glad you mentioned how wrong it is for Glimmer to be described as sexy and attractive. This is not a criticism towards Suzanne's writing, but rather an acknowledgement of what she was trying to achieve with that wording. I agree with you: had Glimmer been victorious, she would've suffered the same fate as Finnick and would've been sex trafficked if or once she was over 16, which I believe is the age of consent in Panem. If she would not oblige, she would end up just like Johanna One interesting aspect about the Careers is how they are, in a way, protecting the rest of the children in their districts. Being born in District 1, 2 or even 4 and not engaging in career training is a lot safer because, if your name is drawn, the odds are someone way more prepared than you will volunteer. The Careers would be seen as heros, even martyrs, for protecting the other children in a way. The other districts children don't have the "privilege" of being protected like that
I've always wondered how the drawings even went down in the districts with careers. I'm sure a lot of kids are fighting for a spot every year. I wonder if they even bother picking randomly and have some other system, otherwise they'd probably last all day with career trainees constantly volunteering over one another. Or maybe they have a vote out of all the volunteers?
Probably 14 finnick won and was than used as snows gift to his higher echelon of supporters. I wouldn’t say any younger because they’re always distraught when a tribute is chosen at 12 and there’s not much proof it’s older either, in fact since the districts are so poor and portly maintained and administer I imagine much of Panem doesn’t have much regulation on that sort of thing but keep with the tradition of marriage for social and financial protection
@@Dorkeydaze Well, I think the stuff that happened with Finnick took a bit because Katniss mentioned something about how he was untouchable at 14, but not at 16. Either him or another Tribute who was conventionally attractive. But that's the line that makes me think that people turn a blind eye at sexual assault as soon as the person is 16 at the Capitol
@@herlocksholmes-uv5qw Definitely possible but yet again he won his game at 14 and was his celebrated for being the youngest victor there’s no reason to assume the capitol so obsessed with youth and who often allow tributes to wear nothing but literal coal dust as described by Katniss to not pounce on the opportunity
A little off topic but I also noticed the floral accents on Rue's interview dress-kind of a foreshadowing of how Katniss covers her in flowers after her death.
Also, the capital had a habit of naming their kids popular names used in ancient rome (not ironic since the capital is literally called Panem a nod to the gladiator fights that the romans are known to have loved)and to a lesser extent, greece. Since 1 & 2 like to emulate the capital, naming their kids in a similar manner would track. Love your content!
I love breaking down the meaning behind things in books. I think that this series is critically underrated. Its not just a dystopian nightmare, in ways its a horror story because its not hard to see the echoes of reality and how the world could turn into this mayhem. You did a great job and i am for sure excited to see more. 😀
I'd say it goes even further, taking into consideration how little Panem's society knows about the world before the Dark Days. A society trying to drape itself in long forgotten nobility without any deeper context or knowledge of the people they take their names from.
I think the point Katniss was making about Marvel’s arrogance in only having the one pack of dried fruit related to the fact that he could easily return to camp and get more whilst if she’d had access to such resources she’d have carried more on her whether it be just in case or for the efficiency of not having to return to the camp to refuel due to hunger particularly while being in the middle of tracking another tribute. Although, Katniss would personally most likely refrain from the tracking of another tribute, but I digress, her reasoning for considering it arrogant seems to be simply that he was so assured there would always be an abundance of food waiting for him that he failed to keep an emergency supply. At least this is how I personally interpreted that section.
amazing video!! i'm also reminded of Enobaria, who got sidelined a bit in the Mockingjay movies. how she filed her teeth into points and capped them with gold after her victory, how it was both a marketing ploy and also a way to deflect the sexual abuse that more attractive victors were subject to. how Katniss negotiates for her safety after she was taken at the end of the games, even though she wasn't a part of the alliance. how, even though she came from one of the Capitol's favored districts, even though she had a relatively privileged life because of her popularity, she still had enough distaste for them to vote for the symbolic Hunger Games. it's easy to dismiss the Career tributes/victors as monsters when every single one of them has been victimized on some level by the Capitol.
To be fair, while yes the magazines talking about the fashions of the Capitol is ironic…those costume designers deserved the recognition. Their work was beautiful in all four of those movies.
Oh yes absolutely! I was in no way trying to undermine the skills of the costume designers. I am actually studying to be a costume designer in college so I have so much respect for costume designers.
I wonder if Glimmer even recognizes being a capital prostitute as a negative thing… she could have seen that attention in a romanticized way from propaganda
Yeah, I could definitely see that happening in the beginning. Our brains have some very interesting psychological protection mechanisms. When the only options you can see are A. exploitation and B. exploitation + some form of appreciation (albeit twisted), without seeing any way out, it's natural to pick B. To rebel against a system of oppression we first need to be able to conceive of a reality without that oppression. Add propaganda and peer pressure to the mix, and you get victims who play into the system.
I really wish that the movie kept the scene where Cato stayed with Clove as she died. I hated both Cato and Clove but it would've been nice to see two individuals, seen as monsters, be human and share a somber moment with each other before one of them dies
okay but like, if clove was 18 when most people volunteer, imagine how much more powerful she would be! shes powerful at 15 and she would easily win the games i think. great video! ❤
Agreed! She would be much stronger physically at 18, and even in terms of arena strategy she might do better because she would have more time to prepare and develop composure and mental skills that can help her in tough situations
I remember when I first read the hunger games book, I saw my sibling in the careers and thought "gosh, how horrible for those kids to be raised and conditioned for a horrid type of martyrdom". I was raised by a narcissistic abusive single mum. I was the eldest child and have alot of childhood trauma and I'm disabled as an adult due to my childhood. As a kid I was so envious of my younger sibling, whom our mother treated with what looked like love, but now I'm a mum myself I can look back on my childhood I think I was the luckiest of my mums two kids. I knew I was hated, which made breaking away and learning that I didn't deserve the treatment I received much easier. But my sibling was conditioned to be narcissist, sociapathic even, to value money and social cred, to not only use violence but enjoy it, including through hurting animals and nearly k*lling me multiple times but also through self harm actions as a effed up demonstration of strength/power/importance (as a teenager I couldn't tell if I was more scared for my life or my siblings). Our mum often would set my sibling on me rather than hurt me herself, it gave her a massive power trip, but she has so much mental control over my sibling that she convinced them that I deserved it and that if I didnt it was their fault I got hurt not our mums. I repeatedly tried to get them to leave since I did, it took over ten years for me to realise I can't help them cos our mum still has complete phsycological control, to the point that they still live at home. I've had to stop contact with both of them to protect my children and my mental health. I know my sibling will never be able to work fully on unpacking childhood trauma and abuse until our mum is dead and then they'll finally be free. That's how horrible being contitioned to be a weapon is. So you can probaly understand why when I read the hunger games books I saw my sibling in the careers and had so much empathy for them. The carrers were conditioned towards violence and killing, that longing for love and pride from those that condition them while also despising themselves and living with shame, hatred and guilt. Those kids in the career groups are so deeply conditioned and abused and it upsets me that we dont see people talking about how effed up that is. I think most people mistakenly see the carrers as jock like types, just stereotypical bullies who deserve to be killed off by katniss our heroine. But they're just as inoccent as Rue and Peta, they were trained to be violent entertainers. Its so terribly sad.
The babydoll dress they put Glimmer in in the movie completely undermines the fierce, confident, "sexy" look they were going for by making her look like an innocent little girl...
Idk if they had secured a deal for all the books to be made into movies. I assume they thought they would only get the one movie and wanted to focus on the fact that these were kids. But since they got to finish the series, in hindsight, that would have been an important detail for the audience upon hearing Finnick’s speech
! This plus we have to remember that everything we are being told through the books was all from katniss perception. Katniss gave very surface level descriptions of her competitors, and those were just the ones she noticed right away. I like to think that she simply just described glimmer as is bc that’s what always been advertised and boasted by the capital. Katniss doesn’t go too into details on people’s appearance, but it doesn’t take much imagination to visual a young blonde teen girl 🤷🏼♀️ Plus I don’t think Hollywood would’ve wanted to tell on themselves any more than they already do if they depicted the tributes as how they’re described in the books
Great video! I feel like the careers are probably the most misunderstood characters in the franchise because most people see them as one-dimensional villains instead of trying to understand why they act the way they do. The Cato - Hecatomb connection was something that I never thought of, and it's crazy that it works so well.
A couple things on the, let’s call it exploitation of minors. Disclaimer: this might be considered a “well,actually…” comment, but this is a more than a hour long video explaining the details of how the careers were used. It’s stated in the books that the careers are trained from childhood up until they turn 18 and volunteer. I can’t say for sure, but based on the age people start working in the mines in 12 it’s likely 18 is the age you’re considered an adult in panem. That’s also the last year you are eligible for the games the districts have to give up children for. It’s also (as far as I remember) stated they didn’t ‘exploit’ Finnick waiting till he got a bit older. He was 14 when he won.
I’ve thought this too, especially in concerns to finnick. Sad to say but I doubt those that had the money to buy him actually waited for him to be of a certain age. finnick tells katniss that money is not the currency he prefers to be paid in for his time, how a young man in his twenties already gonna turn down money from nasty-ass big wigs? I really think they trafficked him right after his win, and he later found a way to be “compensated” for his time with the capital with their secrets
In the movie Cato actually kills the boy from time sometime in the three days Katniss spends asleep from the tracker jacker venom as mentioned by Rue when Katniss asks her who died while she was out. But we do in fact see Cato kill the boy in the bloodbath, but this is because only 20 of the 24 tribute actors filmed the bloodbath scene and it was done to make the scene feel more chaotic and violent.
Omg I love how your space is decorated and the makeup look and your commentary, so glad I came across this video and thus your channel!! Also, I have a more insidious take on the movie subtext of Glimmer’s change from the book (because obviously they cannot have what is an “underage child” half-naked on stage), and knowing what we know about how many of the most attractive and conventionally beautiful survivors of the hunger games are straight up pimped out to the capitol citizenry, I think what they did with her babydoll cut, extremely short, peach dress with a DARKER COLORED SLIT UP THE MIDDLE, with her hair in these sort of childish, cherubic ringlets, and her extremely flirtatious attitude was a clever move, because it could incentivize enough male sponsors who want her to survive so they can have their way with her once it’s “socially acceptable,” and she’s from one of the districts that most willingly participates in this perverted culture of child battle royale and then pimpery. So it’s actually a very clever survival strategy since she’s not particularly skilled with any weapons. Make them want her to survive for other reasons. But yeahhhhhh the dress looks like a split peach basically which could be a nod to any number of cultures that used this particular fruit reference with trainee high-end entertainers and prostitutes to reference things like the availability to bid for one’s virginity approaching. So her split peach dress that barely covers her past the bathing suit area is a very clear advertisement of a very particular product should she survive “😉” 🤮
Two of my favorite (but not necessarily "feel good") thoughts about the Careers from 74: - There is a HUGE chance that Glimmer would not have seen being forced into r@pey pr0stitut!on as a bad thing for a very long time after her hypothetical win. She's a brainwashed child being sexualized by adults across the country and would probably take a while of suffering to fully grasp her exploitation. - I'm a head-canon Cato x Clove shipper (I make them closer in age but otherwise love them) and it's so disturbing to realize that they probably wouldn't have realized only one of them would make it out. Again, these are brainwashed kids with a few moral screws loose, there's a huge chance that they literally did not think that far ahead. And that makes it all the worse (we love a good hurt-no-comfort fic).
This was so good! I have always been interested in the careers of the games. This video really fueled that. Cashmere was always my favorite and I have no idea why lol.
This makes the career tributes even more sick. And some level glimmer has to have known that the way she’s presenting herself is leaving her to be, like Finnick, basically a district prostitute.
Honestly i feel like even if she didnt volunteer that wouldve still been her fate. Knowing the capitol they wouldve dehumanized sw to the point that sw wouldve just been another one of the “luxury goods” district 1 produce. Why else would district 1’s citizens be known for being good looking? You dont needa look good to make jewelry
@@LovePinku6 No, she's a definitely a volunteer. She's a career tribute for a reason. The career districts don't use the volunteering feature same as the other districts or else they'd be a million kids volunteering at once. They have their own technique of gathering volunteers and seeing which one would best survive. While others also argue Glimmer isn't a volunteer because she's not as good as her peers, she's actually brutal and pretty good compared to the other tributes. So the hunger games would not only do propaganda on how these hunger games are for the victorious and are okay, they'd also normalize predatory behavior towards teenagers. Very reminiscent of our times.
Finnick exposed the scandle after her death, I don't think she could've seen that coming. They tell them that as long as you win, you will have an easy life and never want for anything. Only after they win do they learn it's a lie.
I don't think she had the mental capacity to know what that meant even she had a basic understanding of what happened to good looking tributes. No victor from district 1 would go around bad mouthing anything the capitol did, no matter how traumatised they were by it or that it was against their will. If there was even a rumor going around the District it was probably painted as companionship or something like that instead of sex. I feel bad for her, being a career they probably trained her to have that sexy but deadly persona since even before she volunteered, which means she started being sexualized probably the moment she hit puberty, that is an entire different aspect of a childs innocence being taken away from her far too early.
I watch a lot of HG analysis videos, and this is by far one of the best ones I have seen. You did an incredible job of breaking down complicated characters in a unique way!
About 25 minutes in- such a well thought out and detail oriented video. Seriously, stellar work. Can’t believe it has so few views. Thanks for sharing it!
cato and clove also remind me of the prophecy in harry potter line 'neither can live if the other survives'. living isn't the same as surviving is something most don't get if one but not the other of them won the victor would be so aside with grief hat they couldn't really live
I think she was annoyed with Marvel having fruit on him was because it was a stupid thing to leave himself with. He had no doubt he'd have access to real nutritious food, so he brought fruit. Not that he was selfish.
This video was amazing, great work! I've always been curious about the cultural differences of each district and how that probably impacts the mentality of the careers and people's view of the hunger games from each district. Also loved the fashion analysis!
@@oceanunknownI couldn’t agree more with everyone’s praise! Would you consider going further outside the career districts and explaining the rest of the children’s backgrounds in a similar fashion? (I guess pun intended lol) Either way, thanks for sharing your thoughts! Subscribed :)
Hi! Loved the video! As for the question at the end, I think it could be cool for a analysis on snow. Like how in the prequel he is still an evil man no matter how much he tries to justify his actions to himself, to the reader, he is still a awful person. I thought it was a cool concept and something I haven’t really seen before in an origin story. Also congrats on 900 subscribers!!!
Marvel is… well, the only one of them that I would never want to meet even if he should have no intent to kill me. But I still remember back in my head that he is a severe brainwashed kid.
At first, I thought this would be about the different careers of the capital (stylist, game maker, ect) 😂 I’m glad I stayed to watch all the way through!
I truly enjoyed this video, I have listened to it several times. I think your analysis is very insightful. I would have listened to the other one about HG Careers History but there is something about the background music that my ears for some reason cannot tolerate for long.
Being from Brazil I always associated District 1 with like. People from my own country who think because their grandparents or great grandparents were european, they themselves are inherently european as well-thus defending the idea that colonization was actually good, that everything in the Global North is much better because they got "actual culture" and are more "civilised". There's a word for it in Portuguese. Something like "stray syndrome" ig, because strays are usually docile to strangers, even when repeatedly abused by them.
If it would’ve came down to Cato and clove, do you think they would’ve did away with the rule? Would they have let there be a double Victor in district 2?
I’m thinking they would’ve pulled the same last minute rule change like they did with katniss and peeta. And I guarantee it would’ve solely been for the fact to add “an exciting new twist” for the capital audience members Plus assuming from what katniss seen and heard, it seems like the capital citizens were more invested in the star crossed lover arc than two surviving tributes of the same district. Had it come down to Cato and Clove they most certainly would’ve wanted them to fight each other to the death
This makes me think a lot about the socioeconomic state of Panem, and how the different districts are forced to form their own kind of micro-economies, and how the Capitol uses that to control them.
Under mercantilism, an occupying nation forces the colonies to do all their trading through the capital, so that they can't develop any independence, and they can only get what they need through depending on the capital. This is why they build industries, railroads, and schools (that only teach propaganda and whatever would be useful for economic production), but no hospitals or theatres.
@@johnharvey5412 I also find that interesting because throughout history Theatre has been a powerful propaganda tool, but they replaced theater with the games, which makes it even more interesting and intertwined. Idk I just think Suzanne came up with a really complex world that hasn’t been explored much beyond the characters she’s written. The economic machinations of Panem is so deep and uncharted, and it affects the history and status of the districts as well. I could write a whole essay about this lol
@@reelirish7 lol well, I didn't even make the connection until I listened to an essay about it, on the channel "nellie" about a post-colonial analysis. I just thought it was about classism and wealth disparity, mostly.
Glimmer actually also stabs the boy from district 5 to death in the movie The district 7 male couldn't have been killed by clove as ( in the movie ) he was killed by Thresh in two Cornocopia
I was in love with Cato when I was a young teen bi boy who was confused about my feelings for other boys I used to look up his shirtless pics on the websites where they had all the teen heart throb actors saving them to my PSP lol.
This video is absolutely amazing. Thank you for all the research, dedication, and work that went into this. We absolutely loved hearing what you had to say, and I'll be looking at this story differently from now on!
I wonder, because Clove was so young, if she 'cut someone off' for their chance to be in the hunger games! I mean, surely there were other older tributes who had trained for this day. I wonder if Kato resented her somehow for 'flipping the script' and taking the place of his chosen partner. He's far older than she is- I seriously doubt they spent any real time training together before the reaping. Their combat styles hardly compliment each other! I imagine that there's a lot of drama in the wealthier districts about which career tributes get chosen. Anyone can technically volunteer, but if you do it 'out of turn', your family might end up socially and economically isolated from the rest of the bourgeoisie! They only have until their 18th birthday to make it into the games. There's likely a brutal vetting process, and I imagine that the training centers would seek to break their older trainees just to thin the ranks. There'd be old washed-up, injured athletes talking about how they could have gone pro by getting in the games if it weren't just for one specific twist of fate
Clove being so young was a choice made for specifically for the film so chances are she volunteered as normal in the book esp considering in the deleted scenes in the film which followed the direct text more, Caesar is very nonchalant about Clove being a volunteer. You do bring up very interesting points! Also the infighting about volunteers in mentioned in Catching Fire within the career districts and their victors so I think you're onto something
if you did a video on TBOSAS that would be cool! i love the costuming for that movie and i think they especially did a great job with each of the tributes
Imagine training your entire life till 18 to be a tribute, and then the Capital announces the 3rd Quarter Quell will be reaped from previous victors and all your training was for nothing. You don’t even get a shot lol
I hate that Kato put his sword in the fire until it was red hot! You can't sharpen any metal that way. You have to use or make a whetstone. By getting it that hot, he ruined the temper that was forged into the blade- heat loosens the crystalline structure of metals! Now, the tip of his sword is going to be very soft, and chemically cannot hold the same 'edge' it used to, because he removed some of the carbon content from the steel! He's well trained with blades! He should know better!
Do they use faux or real Fur? In which district would these Fur farms be? Are the careers for district one literally like mink (rodents with aoft pelts)being raised in a Fur farm? Like the whole district is a fur farm? Metaphorically? It would explain how some of the mink would be seen more like pets, some of them would be seen as producers to keep the whole farm's population up etc.. Raising up careers for the games, as well as Craftsman of appropriate skill
Keeping them just happy enough that they won't bite as you handle them in the cages , And keep the people in district one happy, and hopeful for financial or social advancement enough, that they are able to be creative.
It just occurred to me that every character is basically named after something in their district if not outright just their parents trade Katniss Primrose. Peeta - baker. Marvel Glimmer. Cato - Roman Senator. Clove. Makes you really think about the names Rue and Thresh from 11 👀
Poison is a traditionally a feminine weapon. I think the ring was for honey-potting, get another tribute close enough and you don’t have to be a fighter, you just need to outrun them until they pass out. I’ve had to run for my life more than once, I think about this things haha
YOOOOOO I used to LOVE Face/Off. I used to follow some of the artists on insta as well. I didn't know Ve was in the Hunger Games (makes sense since the looks were on point). I'll have to watch that Face/Off vid after this one Also Bruh we KNOW if Glimmer or Marvel won... the capitol would've used them as spicy workers, even though they're only 17. They had no qualms with selling off a 14 year old Finnick.
I’m fairly new to the whole hunger games lore, what does the odds mean? Like clove had a 7 - 1, what does that mean?. English is not my first language so I’m sorry if it’s something really easy
@@oceanunknown was so shocked to see the posters in the back lol, btw loved the analysis! recently got into hunger games and your video has been one of my favorites so far
We give the careers a bad rap, but imagine the peace of living in 1,2,or 4 & not having to worry about being reaped, because a career will volunteer
Yes but not always at least for district 4
And they can take out as much tessera as they wanted
@@ritchfaeconsidering it was a wealthier district, they probably didn’t need to take tessera.
It’s not so much that you wouldn’t have to worry - by large, they’d be envious because they are in the districts where the kids are raised _dreaming_ of becoming a career/tribute.
It wouldn’t really be a situation where there is a sense of relief or “living in peace”, but more so a letdown if they’re not the one going in because they view it as doing the best thing that they can ever do with their life: serve Panem via The Hunger Games. It’s honorable in their minds, and there is even greater honor and pride they so happen to win.
If anything, I’d imagine that there would be more of an issue deciding who will take those spots first because the majority would be clamoring to have that spot to be apart of history.
@@TwoBs but maybe not all families would want their kids to compete, and they can be free to do other things of their lives.
something that haunts me is the character of enobaria. she became synonymous with ripping people’s throat out in her games… but that’s not something you would be trained for. that’s an act of fear. then, to become so well known for one of your most animal acts that you (likely persuaded by snow/capitol) then permanently alter your body to further the ruthless cold killer narrative. she was just scared little girl :(
I think she also did that to escape the "selling of the body" that Snow did with Finnick...
I think a lot like a lot a lot about poor glimmer playing up her good looks to get sponsors not knowing what it would do her to if she did win. The detail with the trafficing of the victors is genuinely one of the most horrific details about any dystopia ya or not. The fact that even after they win the games after they perform like the capital wants them to they still don't own their bodies simply because they're from the district and the people from the capitol don't see them as people
Especially considering that, when Katniss asked Haymitch if what happened to Finnick happened to him, Haymitch says no, that they killed everyone he loved to serve as a warning and brings up Cashmere of all people. Haymitch is described as attractive in youth, so it would not be surprising if he did have the same fate as Finnick but was probably too rebellious and it would probably be too much of a hassle to break him instead gojg "Here, he's young and attractive, If you are young and attractive and don't do what we say, just look at what happened to him!"
Haymitch bringing up Cashmere along with Finnick implies she was also trafficked-and he knew! And considering that Cashmere and Glimmer have the same vibe, same would surely happen to her.
I remember my stomach sinking when it was hinted with Finnick, long before Katniss ever gets it 😢
Glimmer’s poison ring reminds me of the compact Snow gave to Lucy Gray in the 10th Games - there was no chance he would let someone else trick the Capitol with a deadly token. Such a good video!!
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I have a headcannon that her mentor (who knew how cruel the capitol could be , even if she won) was trying to get caught and was hoping it could lead to a death outside of the arena, not at the hands of another child who it would traumatise
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i’m fairly sure that cato was actually named after cato the younger, a roman senator. he was an enemy of caesar and eventually committed suicide when he realized his fight was hopeless. him being named after the senator would make a nice parallel to his death, as well as showcasing how district 2 tributes are often given roman names to emulate the aesthetic of the capitol.
At 30:41 , I think the significance of the dried fruit isn't that he took some for himself, it's that he arrogantly believed there would be whatever food he wanted back at the cornucopia. Even if he had survived his encounter with Katniss, the Careers were all screwed if they all decided to pack raisins instead of say, bread or beef jerky. Katniss was definitely expecting some seasoned beef or something in Marvel's pocket, but he picked RAISINS as the contingency food to carry on his person in the Games.
It's wild because wouldn't he as the careers know they'll turn on each other as soon as they kill all the others and battle again over the stock among themselves soon. Why wouldn't he be prepared with essentials in the backpack he can run with when that happens
or maybe it's just that he genuinely did not know what he would need, in the case that the supplies were destroyed. i think of people in the developed world who have no outdoor experience going camping/hiking and packing trail mix, nuts, and a couple bottles of water.
Capitol is suspect. Remember nudity (full) is used as a gimmick every so often katniss remarks that her district was featured completely nude with bits of coal dust, glimmer has a see through dress which means nudity or partial nudity is probably used often. Also after she wins Katniss says she acts and is dressed ultra soft claiming she looks no older than 14 and the capitol eats it up.
fr the capitol is based off ancient rome for a reason🤢
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Yeah their obsession is definitely reminiscent of some Roman emperors. Also the fact the hunger games provide a safe way for capital residents to safely fan boy/girl over literal tributes age 12-18 on a yearly bases is also interesting
Considering capitol is a commentary on the current society, I'm really not surprised that the pedo tendencies are a large part of it.
Was actually based on modern America and Holywood. The only rome part was the games themself and the "panem at circa" bread and circuses themeing. The theme was rome. The capitol was holywood.
I generally agree, but i think Katniss being made up soft and like a 14yo, after she wins was by design by Senna to make her look as innocent and unthreathening as possible after the rebellious stunt she pulled in the arena. If she appeared more mature and serious it would be easier to see what she did as a calculated move and a rebellious act against the capitols orders. Her looking as young and soft as possible makes the whole, silly girl in puppy love acting irrationally out of love more believable for the capitol.
The argument about Cato being the type of potential revolutionary hero that Snow would expect, and therefore easily knows how to control/ brains is very fascinating. Especially considering Snow’s prior friendship with Sejanus Plinth, also from District 2. Cato and Sejanus have very different personalities but they do have a few things in common. Beside their district and having the odds in their favour (Mr Plinth being able to buy Sejanus out of all trouble until the end), they are both outwardly very emotional people. Cato is violent and aggressive out of pride, arrogance and being brainwashed by the Capitol. Whereas Sejanus is highly empathetic, loyal to the districts and a revolutionary thinker resistant to brainwashing. However, both of them freely express their thoughts and emotions in a reckless way. There is no hiding who they are and being in a privileged position only gets them both so far- near the end of their respective novels. I don’t think this is a coincidence now. Snow was expecting someone with that emotive and obvious personality, or the showy personality like Lucy Gray. Even though Katniss reminds Snow of Lucy Gray, he is even more threatened by Katniss as she is not the sort of revolutionary hero he expects. Someone stoic who lacks charisma, yet somehow wins hearts and minds. Snow was not prepared for this after his past experiences with Sejanus and Lucy Gray. I think that was partly the point- a true hero can be anyone, even the one you least expect.
I just keep thinking about how many tiny 12 year olds were saved bc a career volunteered. It doesn’t make them heros exactly, but it’s the best option to a really unfair system.
Fr I would love to live in those district . Not having to worry of going
I haven't seen such an incredible and in depth video on such complex yet unexplored and underrated characters like this before. I had had the thought on how each of their deaths were ironic. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. Glimmer's for beauty, Marvel's for being easily forgettable, Clove's for helplessness, and Cato's for having all those he killed killing him, while having the realization that all he had lived for meant nothing. In a sense, you could almost feel more sorry for them then the tributes who are reaped, because they have been fooled with their lives whereas the others haven't.
Ah finally, somebody else who can't stop thinking about the Careers. I can't stop wondering about whether or not their most mean spirited scenes, such as the ones they seem to be having fun murdering their contestants, were an act for the Capitol to not know how terrified they might've been during some of those kills. Naturally, they would not be as scared as the less prepared Tributes would be and probably knew how to dehumanize their opponents in their minds so the act of killing in cold blood wouldn't affect them as much, but they were also children. I can't stop thinking about how much Clove's death and the mutt attack affected Cato, how scared and alone he seemed to be in the books in the final day of the Games. Cato and Clove also seem to be a narrative foil to Peeta and Katniss, whether you interpret their dynamic as romantic or platonic, and it just makes both of their deaths weight a lot on me. Despite it all, they were just teenagers
Also, I'm glad you mentioned how wrong it is for Glimmer to be described as sexy and attractive. This is not a criticism towards Suzanne's writing, but rather an acknowledgement of what she was trying to achieve with that wording. I agree with you: had Glimmer been victorious, she would've suffered the same fate as Finnick and would've been sex trafficked if or once she was over 16, which I believe is the age of consent in Panem. If she would not oblige, she would end up just like Johanna
One interesting aspect about the Careers is how they are, in a way, protecting the rest of the children in their districts. Being born in District 1, 2 or even 4 and not engaging in career training is a lot safer because, if your name is drawn, the odds are someone way more prepared than you will volunteer. The Careers would be seen as heros, even martyrs, for protecting the other children in a way. The other districts children don't have the "privilege" of being protected like that
Thank you for all your feedback, and that last paragraph is smth I never thought about but is so true!
I've always wondered how the drawings even went down in the districts with careers. I'm sure a lot of kids are fighting for a spot every year. I wonder if they even bother picking randomly and have some other system, otherwise they'd probably last all day with career trainees constantly volunteering over one another. Or maybe they have a vote out of all the volunteers?
Probably 14 finnick won and was than used as snows gift to his higher echelon of supporters. I wouldn’t say any younger because they’re always distraught when a tribute is chosen at 12 and there’s not much proof it’s older either, in fact since the districts are so poor and portly maintained and administer I imagine much of Panem doesn’t have much regulation on that sort of thing but keep with the tradition of marriage for social and financial protection
@@Dorkeydaze Well, I think the stuff that happened with Finnick took a bit because Katniss mentioned something about how he was untouchable at 14, but not at 16. Either him or another Tribute who was conventionally attractive. But that's the line that makes me think that people turn a blind eye at sexual assault as soon as the person is 16 at the Capitol
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Definitely possible but yet again he won his game at 14 and was his celebrated for being the youngest victor there’s no reason to assume the capitol so obsessed with youth and who often allow tributes to wear nothing but literal coal dust as described by Katniss to not pounce on the opportunity
A little off topic but I also noticed the floral accents on Rue's interview dress-kind of a foreshadowing of how Katniss covers her in flowers after her death.
Also, the capital had a habit of naming their kids popular names used in ancient rome (not ironic since the capital is literally called Panem a nod to the gladiator fights that the romans are known to have loved)and to a lesser extent, greece. Since 1 & 2 like to emulate the capital, naming their kids in a similar manner would track. Love your content!
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I love breaking down the meaning behind things in books. I think that this series is critically underrated. Its not just a dystopian nightmare, in ways its a horror story because its not hard to see the echoes of reality and how the world could turn into this mayhem. You did a great job and i am for sure excited to see more. 😀
oh I did not know that, i always thought Panem stood for Pan-america for some reason
I'd say it goes even further, taking into consideration how little Panem's society knows about the world before the Dark Days. A society trying to drape itself in long forgotten nobility without any deeper context or knowledge of the people they take their names from.
@@paulauchon5455 that was my initial assumption, but it makes more sense that it would be a Rome reference like so many other things in this series
I think the point Katniss was making about Marvel’s arrogance in only having the one pack of dried fruit related to the fact that he could easily return to camp and get more whilst if she’d had access to such resources she’d have carried more on her whether it be just in case or for the efficiency of not having to return to the camp to refuel due to hunger particularly while being in the middle of tracking another tribute. Although, Katniss would personally most likely refrain from the tracking of another tribute, but I digress, her reasoning for considering it arrogant seems to be simply that he was so assured there would always be an abundance of food waiting for him that he failed to keep an emergency supply. At least this is how I personally interpreted that section.
amazing video!! i'm also reminded of Enobaria, who got sidelined a bit in the Mockingjay movies. how she filed her teeth into points and capped them with gold after her victory, how it was both a marketing ploy and also a way to deflect the sexual abuse that more attractive victors were subject to. how Katniss negotiates for her safety after she was taken at the end of the games, even though she wasn't a part of the alliance. how, even though she came from one of the Capitol's favored districts, even though she had a relatively privileged life because of her popularity, she still had enough distaste for them to vote for the symbolic Hunger Games. it's easy to dismiss the Career tributes/victors as monsters when every single one of them has been victimized on some level by the Capitol.
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omg i didn’t even think about the teeth being a defence against the trafficking that’s so sad
To be fair, while yes the magazines talking about the fashions of the Capitol is ironic…those costume designers deserved the recognition. Their work was beautiful in all four of those movies.
Oh yes absolutely! I was in no way trying to undermine the skills of the costume designers. I am actually studying to be a costume designer in college so I have so much respect for costume designers.
I wonder if Glimmer even recognizes being a capital prostitute as a negative thing… she could have seen that attention in a romanticized way from propaganda
Yeah, she might have been like "wowie, everyone loves me, hooray!". And then, slowly, she would see the true engines behind the Capitol's statu quo.
Yeah, I could definitely see that happening in the beginning. Our brains have some very interesting psychological protection mechanisms.
When the only options you can see are A. exploitation and B. exploitation + some form of appreciation (albeit twisted), without seeing any way out, it's natural to pick B. To rebel against a system of oppression we first need to be able to conceive of a reality without that oppression.
Add propaganda and peer pressure to the mix, and you get victims who play into the system.
especially because of how she’s portrayed on stage as a sexy blond girl with her see-through dress
I really wish that the movie kept the scene where Cato stayed with Clove as she died. I hated both Cato and Clove but it would've been nice to see two individuals, seen as monsters, be human and share a somber moment with each other before one of them dies
okay but like, if clove was 18 when most people volunteer, imagine how much more powerful she would be! shes powerful at 15 and she would easily win the games i think. great video! ❤
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Agreed! She would be much stronger physically at 18, and even in terms of arena strategy she might do better because she would have more time to prepare and develop composure and mental skills that can help her in tough situations
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I remember when I first read the hunger games book, I saw my sibling in the careers and thought "gosh, how horrible for those kids to be raised and conditioned for a horrid type of martyrdom".
I was raised by a narcissistic abusive single mum. I was the eldest child and have alot of childhood trauma and I'm disabled as an adult due to my childhood. As a kid I was so envious of my younger sibling, whom our mother treated with what looked like love, but now I'm a mum myself I can look back on my childhood I think I was the luckiest of my mums two kids. I knew I was hated, which made breaking away and learning that I didn't deserve the treatment I received much easier. But my sibling was conditioned to be narcissist, sociapathic even, to value money and social cred, to not only use violence but enjoy it, including through hurting animals and nearly k*lling me multiple times but also through self harm actions as a effed up demonstration of strength/power/importance (as a teenager I couldn't tell if I was more scared for my life or my siblings). Our mum often would set my sibling on me rather than hurt me herself, it gave her a massive power trip, but she has so much mental control over my sibling that she convinced them that I deserved it and that if I didnt it was their fault I got hurt not our mums. I repeatedly tried to get them to leave since I did, it took over ten years for me to realise I can't help them cos our mum still has complete phsycological control, to the point that they still live at home. I've had to stop contact with both of them to protect my children and my mental health. I know my sibling will never be able to work fully on unpacking childhood trauma and abuse until our mum is dead and then they'll finally be free. That's how horrible being contitioned to be a weapon is. So you can probaly understand why when I read the hunger games books I saw my sibling in the careers and had so much empathy for them.
The carrers were conditioned towards violence and killing, that longing for love and pride from those that condition them while also despising themselves and living with shame, hatred and guilt. Those kids in the career groups are so deeply conditioned and abused and it upsets me that we dont see people talking about how effed up that is. I think most people mistakenly see the carrers as jock like types, just stereotypical bullies who deserve to be killed off by katniss our heroine. But they're just as inoccent as Rue and Peta, they were trained to be violent entertainers. Its so terribly sad.
This is one of the most interesting analysis vids I've seen, I'd never thought of the connection between marvel and rue wearing the same color
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The babydoll dress they put Glimmer in in the movie completely undermines the fierce, confident, "sexy" look they were going for by making her look like an innocent little girl...
I wonder if they were trying to make her look younger, to play into the fetishization of young girls.
Idk if they had secured a deal for all the books to be made into movies. I assume they thought they would only get the one movie and wanted to focus on the fact that these were kids. But since they got to finish the series, in hindsight, that would have been an important detail for the audience upon hearing Finnick’s speech
! This plus we have to remember that everything we are being told through the books was all from katniss perception. Katniss gave very surface level descriptions of her competitors, and those were just the ones she noticed right away.
I like to think that she simply just described glimmer as is bc that’s what always been advertised and boasted by the capital. Katniss doesn’t go too into details on people’s appearance, but it doesn’t take much imagination to visual a young blonde teen girl 🤷🏼♀️
Plus I don’t think Hollywood would’ve wanted to tell on themselves any more than they already do if they depicted the tributes as how they’re described in the books
but like, the sad part is that’s what she is. she’s a girl who was trained and had propaganda shoved down her throat about the honor of the games.
I disagree, it really resembles lingerie. The color, the shape, the fabric. It's subtle but I think it was supposed to be.
Great video! I feel like the careers are probably the most misunderstood characters in the franchise because most people see them as one-dimensional villains instead of trying to understand why they act the way they do. The Cato - Hecatomb connection was something that I never thought of, and it's crazy that it works so well.
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A couple things on the, let’s call it exploitation of minors.
Disclaimer: this might be considered a “well,actually…” comment, but this is a more than a hour long video explaining the details of how the careers were used.
It’s stated in the books that the careers are trained from childhood up until they turn 18 and volunteer.
I can’t say for sure, but based on the age people start working in the mines in 12 it’s likely 18 is the age you’re considered an adult in panem. That’s also the last year you are eligible for the games the districts have to give up children for.
It’s also (as far as I remember) stated they didn’t ‘exploit’ Finnick waiting till he got a bit older.
He was 14 when he won.
I’ve thought this too, especially in concerns to finnick. Sad to say but I doubt those that had the money to buy him actually waited for him to be of a certain age.
finnick tells katniss that money is not the currency he prefers to be paid in for his time, how a young man in his twenties already gonna turn down money from nasty-ass big wigs? I really think they trafficked him right after his win, and he later found a way to be “compensated” for his time with the capital with their secrets
In the movie Cato actually kills the boy from time sometime in the three days Katniss spends asleep from the tracker jacker venom as mentioned by Rue when Katniss asks her who died while she was out. But we do in fact see Cato kill the boy in the bloodbath, but this is because only 20 of the 24 tribute actors filmed the bloodbath scene and it was done to make the scene feel more chaotic and violent.
Omg I love how your space is decorated and the makeup look and your commentary, so glad I came across this video and thus your channel!!
Also, I have a more insidious take on the movie subtext of Glimmer’s change from the book (because obviously they cannot have what is an “underage child” half-naked on stage), and knowing what we know about how many of the most attractive and conventionally beautiful survivors of the hunger games are straight up pimped out to the capitol citizenry, I think what they did with her babydoll cut, extremely short, peach dress with a DARKER COLORED SLIT UP THE MIDDLE, with her hair in these sort of childish, cherubic ringlets, and her extremely flirtatious attitude was a clever move, because it could incentivize enough male sponsors who want her to survive so they can have their way with her once it’s “socially acceptable,” and she’s from one of the districts that most willingly participates in this perverted culture of child battle royale and then pimpery. So it’s actually a very clever survival strategy since she’s not particularly skilled with any weapons. Make them want her to survive for other reasons. But yeahhhhhh the dress looks like a split peach basically which could be a nod to any number of cultures that used this particular fruit reference with trainee high-end entertainers and prostitutes to reference things like the availability to bid for one’s virginity approaching. So her split peach dress that barely covers her past the bathing suit area is a very clear advertisement of a very particular product should she survive “😉” 🤮
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Two of my favorite (but not necessarily "feel good") thoughts about the Careers from 74:
- There is a HUGE chance that Glimmer would not have seen being forced into r@pey pr0stitut!on as a bad thing for a very long time after her hypothetical win. She's a brainwashed child being sexualized by adults across the country and would probably take a while of suffering to fully grasp her exploitation.
- I'm a head-canon Cato x Clove shipper (I make them closer in age but otherwise love them) and it's so disturbing to realize that they probably wouldn't have realized only one of them would make it out. Again, these are brainwashed kids with a few moral screws loose, there's a huge chance that they literally did not think that far ahead. And that makes it all the worse (we love a good hurt-no-comfort fic).
This was so good! I have always been interested in the careers of the games. This video really fueled that. Cashmere was always my favorite and I have no idea why lol.
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If they ever explored the stories of any of the other characters I would definitely want it to be Cashmere and Gloss.
I totally agree!
I get what you mean! I love Enobaria so much and I have literally zero reason.
@@rinac885 I'm glad I'm not the only one lol..
This makes the career tributes even more sick. And some level glimmer has to have known that the way she’s presenting herself is leaving her to be, like Finnick, basically a district prostitute.
If she had won she would have joined the long list of victors undoubtedly exploited and prostituted by Snow.
Honestly i feel like even if she didnt volunteer that wouldve still been her fate. Knowing the capitol they wouldve dehumanized sw to the point that sw wouldve just been another one of the “luxury goods” district 1 produce. Why else would district 1’s citizens be known for being good looking? You dont needa look good to make jewelry
@@LovePinku6 No, she's a definitely a volunteer. She's a career tribute for a reason. The career districts don't use the volunteering feature same as the other districts or else they'd be a million kids volunteering at once. They have their own technique of gathering volunteers and seeing which one would best survive. While others also argue Glimmer isn't a volunteer because she's not as good as her peers, she's actually brutal and pretty good compared to the other tributes. So the hunger games would not only do propaganda on how these hunger games are for the victorious and are okay, they'd also normalize predatory behavior towards teenagers. Very reminiscent of our times.
Finnick exposed the scandle after her death, I don't think she could've seen that coming. They tell them that as long as you win, you will have an easy life and never want for anything. Only after they win do they learn it's a lie.
I don't think she had the mental capacity to know what that meant even she had a basic understanding of what happened to good looking tributes.
No victor from district 1 would go around bad mouthing anything the capitol did, no matter how traumatised they were by it or that it was against their will. If there was even a rumor going around the District it was probably painted as companionship or something like that instead of sex.
I feel bad for her, being a career they probably trained her to have that sexy but deadly persona since even before she volunteered, which means she started being sexualized probably the moment she hit puberty, that is an entire different aspect of a childs innocence being taken away from her far too early.
9:39 "a glamazon bitch ready for the runway" this just made my day, best rpdr reference I've heard just casually used
This was a really well done analysis!! Loved watching the video 💗
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I watch a lot of HG analysis videos, and this is by far one of the best ones I have seen. You did an incredible job of breaking down complicated characters in a unique way!
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About 25 minutes in- such a well thought out and detail oriented video. Seriously, stellar work. Can’t believe it has so few views. Thanks for sharing it!
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@@oceanunknown loved every second of it
cato and clove also remind me of the prophecy in harry potter line 'neither can live if the other survives'. living isn't the same as surviving is something most don't get if one but not the other of them won the victor would be so aside with grief hat they couldn't really live
I think she was annoyed with Marvel having fruit on him was because it was a stupid thing to leave himself with. He had no doubt he'd have access to real nutritious food, so he brought fruit. Not that he was selfish.
This video was amazing, great work! I've always been curious about the cultural differences of each district and how that probably impacts the mentality of the careers and people's view of the hunger games from each district. Also loved the fashion analysis!
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@@oceanunknownI couldn’t agree more with everyone’s praise!
Would you consider going further outside the career districts and explaining the rest of the children’s backgrounds in a similar fashion? (I guess pun intended lol)
Either way, thanks for sharing your thoughts! Subscribed :)
Hi! Loved the video! As for the question at the end, I think it could be cool for a analysis on snow. Like how in the prequel he is still an evil man no matter how much he tries to justify his actions to himself, to the reader, he is still a awful person. I thought it was a cool concept and something I haven’t really seen before in an origin story. Also congrats on 900 subscribers!!!
Thank you so much!! I actually haven't read the prequel yet but it's on my reading list
Marvel is… well, the only one of them that I would never want to meet even if he should have no intent to kill me. But I still remember back in my head that he is a severe brainwashed kid.
At first, I thought this would be about the different careers of the capital (stylist, game maker, ect) 😂 I’m glad I stayed to watch all the way through!
That's actually an idea I might take for a future video 😭
@@oceanunknown I really hope you do! Now I have to subscribe ❤
I wasn't expecting you to have so much to analyze about these characters! I loved it!! 💖
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I truly enjoyed this video, I have listened to it several times. I think your analysis is very insightful. I would have listened to the other one about HG Careers History but there is something about the background music that my ears for some reason cannot tolerate for long.
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Being from Brazil I always associated District 1 with like. People from my own country who think because their grandparents or great grandparents were european, they themselves are inherently european as well-thus defending the idea that colonization was actually good, that everything in the Global North is much better because they got "actual culture" and are more "civilised". There's a word for it in Portuguese. Something like "stray syndrome" ig, because strays are usually docile to strangers, even when repeatedly abused by them.
If it would’ve came down to Cato and clove, do you think they would’ve did away with the rule? Would they have let there be a double Victor in district 2?
I’m thinking they would’ve pulled the same last minute rule change like they did with katniss and peeta. And I guarantee it would’ve solely been for the fact to add “an exciting new twist” for the capital audience members
Plus assuming from what katniss seen and heard, it seems like the capital citizens were more invested in the star crossed lover arc than two surviving tributes of the same district. Had it come down to Cato and Clove they most certainly would’ve wanted them to fight each other to the death
This makes me think a lot about the socioeconomic state of Panem, and how the different districts are forced to form their own kind of micro-economies, and how the Capitol uses that to control them.
Under mercantilism, an occupying nation forces the colonies to do all their trading through the capital, so that they can't develop any independence, and they can only get what they need through depending on the capital. This is why they build industries, railroads, and schools (that only teach propaganda and whatever would be useful for economic production), but no hospitals or theatres.
@@johnharvey5412 I also find that interesting because throughout history Theatre has been a powerful propaganda tool, but they replaced theater with the games, which makes it even more interesting and intertwined. Idk I just think Suzanne came up with a really complex world that hasn’t been explored much beyond the characters she’s written. The economic machinations of Panem is so deep and uncharted, and it affects the history and status of the districts as well. I could write a whole essay about this lol
@@reelirish7 lol well, I didn't even make the connection until I listened to an essay about it, on the channel "nellie" about a post-colonial analysis. I just thought it was about classism and wealth disparity, mostly.
Glimmer actually also stabs the boy from district 5 to death in the movie
The district 7 male couldn't have been killed by clove as ( in the movie ) he was killed by Thresh in two Cornocopia
Yes I learned after making this video that Thresh killed the boy from district seven. My mistake!
This video is so good I am re-watching it while doing chores. Love all your analysis and the cruel irony of each tribute’s story (very well-written)
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Your channel is amazing, your makeup is amazing and I'm really grateful you put captions there!!
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This is such a good and well researched video essay about the careers, I keep coming back to it, I hope it will get more views
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The Kennedy Davenport quote ate I wasn’t expecting it🤌🏽
*stung to death by poisonous WASPS not bees, they're WASPS
Even worse omgggg
Please man I need more yours is the only video about the careers 😅😊watched it like 7 times now comfort video ❤
You've got a big storm coming...😈
I was in love with Cato when I was a young teen bi boy who was confused about my feelings for other boys I used to look up his shirtless pics on the websites where they had all the teen heart throb actors saving them to my PSP lol.
This video is absolutely amazing. Thank you for all the research, dedication, and work that went into this. We absolutely loved hearing what you had to say, and I'll be looking at this story differently from now on!
Thank you so much!
This was a really interesting analysis!
I wonder, because Clove was so young, if she 'cut someone off' for their chance to be in the hunger games! I mean, surely there were other older tributes who had trained for this day.
I wonder if Kato resented her somehow for 'flipping the script' and taking the place of his chosen partner. He's far older than she is- I seriously doubt they spent any real time training together before the reaping. Their combat styles hardly compliment each other!
I imagine that there's a lot of drama in the wealthier districts about which career tributes get chosen. Anyone can technically volunteer, but if you do it 'out of turn', your family might end up socially and economically isolated from the rest of the bourgeoisie! They only have until their 18th birthday to make it into the games. There's likely a brutal vetting process, and I imagine that the training centers would seek to break their older trainees just to thin the ranks.
There'd be old washed-up, injured athletes talking about how they could have gone pro by getting in the games if it weren't just for one specific twist of fate
Clove being so young was a choice made for specifically for the film so chances are she volunteered as normal in the book esp considering in the deleted scenes in the film which followed the direct text more, Caesar is very nonchalant about Clove being a volunteer. You do bring up very interesting points! Also the infighting about volunteers in mentioned in Catching Fire within the career districts and their victors so I think you're onto something
@@oceanunknown your videos are thought provoking, what can I say? 😁
0:12 in high school we watched Face Off in theatre design and I loved it SO MUCH 😭 I hunted it down on cable to watch lol
this was awesome, subscribed immediately lol. i would love to hear more of your analysis or thoughts on this series in the future!
if you did a video on TBOSAS that would be cool! i love the costuming for that movie and i think they especially did a great job with each of the tributes
Thank you so much!
loved the B A L L S reference
Imagine training your entire life till 18 to be a tribute, and then the Capital announces the 3rd Quarter Quell will be reaped from previous victors and all your training was for nothing. You don’t even get a shot lol
The Careers were one of the most interesting aspects of the series to me :)
I hate that Kato put his sword in the fire until it was red hot! You can't sharpen any metal that way. You have to use or make a whetstone. By getting it that hot, he ruined the temper that was forged into the blade- heat loosens the crystalline structure of metals! Now, the tip of his sword is going to be very soft, and chemically cannot hold the same 'edge' it used to, because he removed some of the carbon content from the steel! He's well trained with blades! He should know better!
I only now am getting into HG with the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes being out (I loved it so much!) and this was an amazing video.
Thank you!!
I can't believe there are not more views on this video. Great job! I loved listening to it
Thank you!
if glimmer won. snow would pimp her out
fantastic video and analysis!!
Cato and Nicki Minaj wasn't on my bingo card 💀
THE RUCUCUCU FOR MARVEL I CAN'T
this video was soo good why didn't this get more views???!!!????
Thank you!
I thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you so much! 💜
THANK YOU FOR THIS I AM A CAREER DEFENDER FOR LIFE
Love love love this video!
Thank you!!
great video! but I will say that clove in the book is much stronger and bigger than katniss!
loved this!!!!!! amazing, amazing video :) you've earned a sub!
Thank you so much!
Hey Sam, it's always been cool when you upload a video. I love your analysis . 🥰
Thank you!!
Do they use faux or real Fur? In which district would these Fur farms be?
Are the careers for district one literally like mink (rodents with aoft pelts)being raised in a Fur farm? Like the whole district is a fur farm? Metaphorically?
It would explain how some of the mink would be seen more like pets, some of them would be seen as producers to keep the whole farm's population up etc.. Raising up careers for the games, as well as Craftsman of appropriate skill
Keeping them just happy enough that they won't bite as you handle them in the cages , And keep the people in district one happy, and hopeful for financial or social advancement enough, that they are able to be creative.
I feel so bad for glimmer
It just occurred to me that every character is basically named after something in their district if not outright just their parents trade Katniss Primrose. Peeta - baker. Marvel Glimmer. Cato - Roman Senator. Clove.
Makes you really think about the names Rue and Thresh from 11 👀
Okay, but her make-up ATE! Like damn, that's amazing!
Thank you so much!!!
The drag race reference 9:37 ❤️
Glad someone caught it! I'm such a drag race fan!
This was such a good video you are so good with words and u no how to keep a viewer entertained very great video but even better channel
Thank you so much!!
What an amazing video!
Thank you!
Very insightful!
Thank you!
With every video I watch I'm wanting to read the books more and more.
Same
@@sarahthomas8670I'm onto book 2 now.
I'm enjoying them.
I will never not love clove
Poison is a traditionally a feminine weapon. I think the ring was for honey-potting, get another tribute close enough and you don’t have to be a fighter, you just need to outrun them until they pass out.
I’ve had to run for my life more than once, I think about this things haha
I always thought Cato killed the girl. And he handed the sword to glimmer so he could snap her neck
I used to love face off until one of the seasons was like 99.9 % drama and there was less and less focus on the actual designs and creations
I’ve seen the movie and the Nicki Minaj video countless times and I was today years old when I learned Ken was Cato
YOOOOOO I used to LOVE Face/Off. I used to follow some of the artists on insta as well. I didn't know Ve was in the Hunger Games (makes sense since the looks were on point). I'll have to watch that Face/Off vid after this one
Also Bruh we KNOW if Glimmer or Marvel won... the capitol would've used them as spicy workers, even though they're only 17. They had no qualms with selling off a 14 year old Finnick.
I LOVED THIS!!!! THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!
YOU GET IT!!!!! UGH .. finger licking GOOD
Thank you!
Lovely video! I have a question though: What exactly is Cato's fuck boy line? I can't seem to figure out what he's saying but I want in on the lolz
He tells Glimmer "That's a good impression", it's more he says it like an f boy 😭
@@oceanunknown ahhhh! Thanks!
I’m fairly new to the whole hunger games lore, what does the odds mean? Like clove had a 7 - 1, what does that mean?.
English is not my first language so I’m sorry if it’s something really easy
It means she had a 7-1 chance of winning the games in terms of betting odds
What did Fboy Cato say to Glimmer? I couldnt make it out lol
Masonry is stonework.
Not metalwork. That's metallurgy.
Great video
Thank you!
i can’t hear what cato is saying in that scene that keeps being brought up 😭
He says "that's such a good impression"
@@oceanunknown thank you
i'm just here to say that it's CLATO, not GLATO (take notes gary ross)
This video mentions Finnick being sold to Snow for sex (around 21:50) - what's the source? I can't find it anywhere online.
hunger games and with ateez in the back?!
oh, a slay!
Thank you! I love Ateez so much!
@@oceanunknown was so shocked to see the posters in the back lol, btw loved the analysis! recently got into hunger games and your video has been one of my favorites so far
@@ssumongs Thank you so much! I also have some ateez fanart I've made in my UA-cam setup, I love when fellow Kpop fans find me!