I really enjoyed this video because of the absence of music or any other distraction from the pure sound of those race engines under labor. Thank you so much for uploading. These cars are a tremendous historic treasure. As an enthusiast and owner of a 1968 Camaro RS/SS I shall thank all owners of these race cars for preserving and racing their vehicles at these events!
@@64fairlane305 if you watch old videos from 70s trans am racing when these cars were new, you can see the javelins performing just as good, despite AMC being more of a cheap economy car company they went all in on racing and they didnt mess around. they constantly competed with the big 3 and won alot to.
My son and I have just recently discovered Historic Road Racing. We are currently involved in historic drag racing with a group called SEGA(Southeast Gassers Association) We have 64 Galaxie that run in their Super Stock class. My son is 21, and loves all things historic. I think we would be interested in this format of racing at some point. Beautiful cars you have here in SVRA.
Was lucky to chat w Victor Jr one morning during warmup at Pacific Raceways, Kent, WA, , which he was sitting out. He was running Bondurant's #614 Corvette, the poster car that year for SOVREN. Said he was tired. Musta been just a year or two prior to his passing. It was quiet in the paddock so he was nice enough to tell me about his dad, hotrodding, and preserving the famous production and Trans Am cars. Like PLN, he ran till nearly the bitter end.
after driving a 68 390 amx and a 70 390 amx which i both owned before i was 20 --- i sure was rooting for the amc guys. saw a Mark Donahue javelin on the street in Indy that was super nice around 1997 --- thanks for a great video to ring the bell ... !!!
RIP VIC!!! I live in the Seattle area and every chance I get I am at PIR in Kent Wa. to watch vintage racing ever year. I saw there cars about 4 years ago and it was a hell of a race!!! Around Seattle out!!!
If NASCAR was like this they would NEVER go broke ! Looking at those beautiful classic 5.0 muscle cars with their screaming V8's redlined at 7000 RPM sends chills to my 75 year old body , the same way they did back in the Glorious 60's ! Its still in my blood !
Loved going to Mid-Ohio,back in the day, in my brand new 1970 Mustang to watch the Boss 302’s battle the Z28’s. I was 16 and said to myself “Hey, I can do that”.
AS these slowly give way to EV it's great to finally see what we missed by the controlled networks we use to have to watch and what those net works made the most money at airing....it's great to see.....thanks for the post
My God, but I love these old monsters. Trans-Am caused teams to take musclecars we already loved, and make 'em HANDLE. Just fantastic. And I can't get enough of their angry V-8 roar. Those were the days, and these are the cars!!
Modern racing cars are so optimised that there's grip or there isn't. Like an on-off switch. And I love it that way, the engineering behind making a car's mass move around a corner as fast as possible is genuinely my favourite part of my car hobby. However if it's racing spectacle you're after nothing beats these old firebreathers. In these cars the grey area between grip and no grip is so much bigger that pure car control becomes the most important.
I was there. Great collection. You should have seen them in the town! The black Falcon has a really cool interior - all pristine stock - even an OEM steering wheel!. The only exception is the racing seat, which is upholstered like the other stock seats!
Use to go and watch these beasts race(along with the Can-Am) at Laguna Seca and Riverside every year in the late sixties and early seventies. Man, I'll never forget watching Parnelli Jones, in his Mustang in 1970, "straighten" the esses at Riverside. After the factories pulled out of the series in 1971 it began to lose a lot of it's luster and competitiveness until the great 1980's revival(Thank you Jack Roush and Tom Gloy for bringing back the Ford vs. Chevy paradigm, which was really what this series was all about). That was fun to watch also. It was also great to see the greatest female race car driver in American History(with all due respect to Janet Guthrie, Danika Patrick, and Denise McCluggage), Lynn Saint James, interviewed.
That's a GREAT video! Listening to the engines is so much better than listening to some screaming British announcer through the entire race. I can't even watch most road races because I end up wanting to wring the announcer's neck. Great editing! The race never got boring and cars sounded fantastic. Congrats to all of the drivers, I didn't see any wrecks or spin outs, even though it was raining at times. I may just have to make the trip to Watson's Glen if you guys do that again!
I just bought a GMP Acme 1/18 scale Sam Posey Challenger in Dan Gurney Cuda not for a whole lot either for my collection I cannot wait to get these beauties just hearing the rumble of these motors makes me quiver
Ford and Chevy were both required to sell a certain amount of cars to the public in order to run the Boss 302 and Z-28 302, but Mopar and Pontiac were allowed to cobble together sleeved and destroked versions of larger engines to quantify for the 305 cubic inch limit a year later...I'm not sure what engine AMC used in the Javelin. They changed the rules in order to get more competitors , which created more interest , thus making more money.
@@sludge4125 If you are going to be a smart ass and tell everyone that they are wrong and they are infantile idiots and senile at least do your research. The Mopar E body platform (Dodge challenger and Plymouth cuda) was specially designed to directly compete against the ford mustang and the mercury cougar which are (you guessed it) PONY CARS!. Ponycars are a downsized relative of musclecars, that have a long hood, short deck, the challenger and cuda have long hoods and short decks and they are smaller than ANY othe mopar "muscle car" besides the A body demons, darts and dusters, and they handled better too , hell there are "track" versions of both the cuda and challenger equiped with the 340 smallblock, beefed up swaybars and upgraded suspension called the challenger T/A and the Cuda AAR that were homologation models of trans am race cars you se here. You probably have never seen a 70´-74´ challenger in real life side to side with other pony cars from the same era, they have really similar dimentions and weight, sure the challenger is the heaviest and widest of the three (mustang, camaro and challenger) but they are all in the same range and belive it or not, lighter that almost any modern sedan on the road TODAY, the smallblock versions of the three are all under or just over 3000 pounds. So in conclusion, the challenger IS a pony car.
I was there, Sludge. Bill Bryan in a Penske Camaro #16 had a problem, ran off into the guardrails, and injured a photographer who I know. I have another friend's photo of the wrecked car being hauled away, with the date and event, hanging on my wall right now.
These were amazing race cars. 5 liter v8’s with brutal power, to race them it took fearless heroes. I saw these cars race at Lime Rock in pouring rain. 1970 I think. I noticed 2 cars in this race that don’t belong: a 1965 Mustang (too old) and a Ford Fairlane (too big, out of class.
They still belonged. There was a 64 Pontiac Tempest nicknamed "Gray Ghost" that was built for this series by a group of GM engineers, just to name an example.
The guy claiming these are exactly what was raced back in the day is not being honest. A lot of parts are just not available. I watched an interview with a guy who prepared some of these cars. There are some significant differences. Availability of engine blocks and heads was a serious concern. These cars are running much newer parts. The safety cages are much better. The brakes are better. In some cases the engine is a larger displacement. The focus was more on providing track performance that was on par with the cars that were raced back when, while making the cars safer and easier to control on track and more reliable. These are "new" race cars with reproduction sheet metal. The right brand of engine under the hood and a transmission of the same type that was used. The overall configuration is the same. The drivers are instructed to be courteous and safe and run the cars at about nine tenths. Contact between cars should be avoided as much as possible. Bump passing is not allowed. Spirited driving with all the glorious sounds of racing is the order of the day.
The round body Falcon has exact same differential, 4 speed top loader and suspension as the 65 -66 Mustangs it will all bolt up . The Falcon is actuaaly the lightest car out there. It is 250 lbs lighter than the 65 Mustangs. I have a 61 Comet that I can set up the same, just a lot of money.
One of the finest vintage videos I've seen. No awful music. Thank you so much.
Premium cars, no stupid music. Here here.
It's much better then those great cars sitting in a museum :)
YES !! I agree...race them thats what their for.....
I really enjoyed this video because of the absence of music or any other distraction from the pure sound of those race engines under labor. Thank you so much for uploading. These cars are a tremendous historic treasure. As an enthusiast and owner of a 1968 Camaro RS/SS I shall thank all owners of these race cars for preserving and racing their vehicles at these events!
no abs, no traction control, just man and car. real racing.
fucking amen to that mate.
A thing of beauty it is
My favorite track and at 60 years old what great cars - thank you all drivers, camera workers and all that made it possible!
It used to be Riverside, now it is Watkins Glen for me also.
I didn't go until 2017 at Watkins Glen. I didn't realize the awesomeness I was always missing. I've been going ever since!
I used to race SVRA group 6 in the early nineties. Best years of my life with the greatest people ever. Glade to see Pat Ryan still going strong!
That was cool to watch. Nice to see everybody drove respectfully. Vintage American iron in it's heyday.
yes. i did notice drivers giving each other breaks here & there, good folks, no need to bend those special cars.
Gosh... the Javelin's driver makes it look sooo easy. Like a ride around town in a sunday morning...
making it look like a sunday drive
tires & suspension were well dailed in for Watkins
@@2view23 it IS a sunday drive up against these slow drivers
@@64fairlane305 if you watch old videos from 70s trans am racing when these cars were new, you can see the javelins performing just as good, despite AMC being more of a cheap economy car company they went all in on racing and they didnt mess around. they constantly competed with the big 3 and won alot to.
Those javelins look so good in this type of race car
and people say muscle cars cant turn. well, they never got to experience this kind of racing. plus it takes real men to drive these beasts.
Kin h. Hhhh
Took the words out of my mouth.
I'd take this over F1 anytime.
Who cares what anyone says? Y'know 5 liter displacement here, no "Heavy-Chevies". What IS a "real man"?
they arent muscle cars.
@@r3rd698 wrong kid
Real engines real tracks real drivers!! thx for sharing
Great cars, great sound - great racing !
2:57 brings a tear of happiness to my eye.
Good call.
My son and I have just recently discovered Historic Road Racing. We are currently involved in historic drag racing with a group called SEGA(Southeast Gassers Association) We have 64 Galaxie that run in their Super Stock class. My son is 21, and loves all things historic. I think we would be interested in this format of racing at some point. Beautiful cars you have here in SVRA.
Way better than Nascar or F1. No stinking announcing & music or commercials every 90 seconds. Perfect.
I plan to attend this event in September. My first visit to Watkins Glen. Followed these cars via Hot Rod magazine when the series began.
Was lucky to chat w Victor Jr one morning during warmup at Pacific Raceways, Kent, WA, , which he was sitting out. He was running Bondurant's #614 Corvette, the poster car that year for SOVREN. Said he was tired. Musta been just a year or two prior to his passing. It was quiet in the paddock so he was nice enough to tell me about his dad, hotrodding, and preserving the famous production and Trans Am cars. Like PLN, he ran till nearly the bitter end.
Thanx , for no bullshits , no sound effects & no musics.
why would anyone give this a thumbs down?!?
cause their not a true race fan...
Or it was a boring race
AndrewMSS Prius owners
BECAUSE THEY R BUTT PLUGS
it's the same jealous guys that key cars parked on the street
OMFG the nooooiise!!
I need to go to a vintage Trans Am race. This is AWESOME!
This is an awesome video with some great racing!! I will be following these guys a little more closely.
Thank you so much to bring us this kind of Engine Music.....!🤙🤙
after driving a 68 390 amx and a 70 390 amx which i both owned before i was 20 --- i sure was rooting for the amc guys. saw a Mark Donahue javelin on the street in Indy that was super nice around 1997 --- thanks for a great video to ring the bell ... !!!
These cars are restricted to 5.0 liters. Both Mopar and AMC had special T/A engines homologated for this series.
That javelin is hooked up good . He's driving one handed and can pass the camaro anytime . Cool racing at it's best ! ✌👍👌
He came in third.
@@sludge4125 still cool as shit
RIP VIC!!! I live in the Seattle area and every chance I get I am at PIR in Kent Wa. to watch vintage racing ever year. I saw there cars about 4 years ago and it was a hell of a race!!! Around Seattle out!!!
I did not know Vic Edelbrock passed if that is who you are referring to.
Great to see so many classics running together!
They don't make them like that any more!
Cheers
The guy in the Javelin looks like he’s driving the family to the beach. So relaxed.
Love it! I worked with Lynn St. James at Roush Racing back in the Mid 1980's. A lot of familiar faces and cars here for me. Great memories!
If NASCAR was like this they would NEVER go broke ! Looking at those beautiful classic 5.0 muscle cars with their screaming V8's redlined at 7000 RPM sends chills to my 75 year old body , the same way they did back in the Glorious 60's ! Its still in my blood !
What a race!
What sound. Sounds like......America!
The Black Falcon Looks Great!
That was great, favourite era of race cars and nostalgic vehicles
Cheers m8
Loved going to Mid-Ohio,back in the day, in my brand new 1970 Mustang to watch the Boss 302’s battle the Z28’s. I was 16 and said to myself “Hey, I can do that”.
Kiddies nowadays don't realize just how badass that AMC Javelin was in the hands of Mark Donahue!
Also noticed the Smokey Yunick #13 Camaro, What a GEM!!
AS these slowly give way to EV it's great to finally see what we missed by the controlled networks we use to have to watch and what those net works made the most money at airing....it's great to see.....thanks for the post
My God, but I love these old monsters. Trans-Am caused teams to take musclecars we already loved, and make 'em HANDLE. Just fantastic. And I can't get enough of their angry V-8 roar. Those were the days, and these are the cars!!
Modern racing cars are so optimised that there's grip or there isn't. Like an on-off switch. And I love it that way, the engineering behind making a car's mass move around a corner as fast as possible is genuinely my favourite part of my car hobby.
However if it's racing spectacle you're after nothing beats these old firebreathers. In these cars the grey area between grip and no grip is so much bigger that pure car control becomes the most important.
hope to see more of the full races like this!
Love the guy in the Javelin....arm on the window sill, out for a Sunday drive...lol still came in 3rd. Go AMC...
wonder if he had his radio on?
Because he didn’t know how to change gears?
I was there. Great collection. You should have seen them in the town! The black Falcon has a really cool interior - all pristine stock - even an OEM steering wheel!. The only exception is the racing seat, which is upholstered like the other stock seats!
Pure real racingg!!!!!
Awesome an beauty carss!!!!! Great video!!!
Wow, that was great. F1 was like this once. Now it's completely un-watchable.
The camaro up front sounds good as hell
Thanks SVRA.com for share
What a time to be a teenager and these were the cars you could buy at the dealership.
Thnaks for posting! Amazing cars and race.
Great race guys! love the sounds of muscle cars especially the Javelin!!
Nice cars wonky race
Dream cars are all this ones and Watkins it's a dream track too; there should be more of this.
It’s great to see Lyn St. James, who has raced seemingly everywhere.
Use to go and watch these beasts race(along with the Can-Am) at Laguna Seca and Riverside every year in the late sixties and early seventies. Man, I'll never forget watching Parnelli Jones, in his Mustang in 1970, "straighten" the esses at Riverside. After the factories pulled out of the series in 1971 it began to lose a lot of it's luster and competitiveness until the great 1980's revival(Thank you Jack Roush and Tom Gloy for bringing back the Ford vs. Chevy paradigm, which was really what this series was all about). That was fun to watch also.
It was also great to see the greatest female race car driver in American History(with all due respect to Janet Guthrie, Danika Patrick, and Denise McCluggage), Lynn Saint James, interviewed.
That's a GREAT video! Listening to the engines is so much better than listening to some screaming British announcer through the entire race. I can't even watch most road races because I end up wanting to wring the announcer's neck. Great editing! The race never got boring and cars sounded fantastic. Congrats to all of the drivers, I didn't see any wrecks or spin outs, even though it was raining at times. I may just have to make the trip to Watson's Glen if you guys do that again!
Awesome video. Thanks!
what a cars!! what a drivers !! what a circuit!! what a beauty !! I suscribe
That black Falcon Sprint was so cool. Awesome cars every one.
That Camaro really screams...man all those makes sound badass...love it...
Crazy and So Cool! Thanks for the thrill!!!
Nice to see the old muscle on the track and to hear those thundering horses again.
You got to love the rumble of the V8
GSA it's ok but I prefer the sound of Porsche cup cars !!!😎😎😎😎😄😄🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
Art Mchugh I have to agree, nothing sounds better than flat 6 race motor
Can someone do this with old NASCAR cars? Would LOVE to see them run some old cars at North Wilkesboro and Myrtle Beach among other old tracks.
Perfect. 👍
Thanks so much!
Hard run,Thank You all!
I was there on Sunday. There was an accident and the race was delayed for a time. Really a nice time.
THANK YOU !
I just bought a GMP Acme 1/18 scale Sam Posey Challenger in Dan Gurney Cuda not for a whole lot either for my collection I cannot wait to get these beauties just hearing the rumble of these motors makes me quiver
Happiness is the sound of that 302 Chevy #15
Congratulations to all of the drivers, no spins when it got wet as far as I could see. Wow!
so cool. For sure a must do one day.
2:37 sounds so good!😍
Oh the sound of a high revving V8!
Oh how I would love a 1970 or 1971 Camaro Z/28 model setup like an old Trans Am racer❤❤
It was a great weekend!
The in-car of the mustang that was in third place sounds badass. - Me, A Chevy guy
start building these beast's again the greatest cars ever built. BOSS 302 is my absolute dream car
yay for the mercury cougar! I used to have a 68!
Nice Sound in the Lime Green Sam Posey 70 Challenger,
I’ve watched this several times,that Cameron engine is Swiss watch at 8500 rpm
Ford and Chevy were both required to sell a certain amount of cars to the public in order to run the Boss 302 and Z-28 302, but Mopar and Pontiac were allowed to cobble together sleeved and destroked versions of larger engines to quantify for the 305 cubic inch limit a year later...I'm not sure what engine AMC used in the Javelin. They changed the rules in order to get more competitors , which created more interest , thus making more money.
They sound beautiful 😍
lindos carros, carros clássicos são os melhores, teêm estilo. parabéns.
BUT MUSCLE CARS CANT TURN HUUURR DUUURRRR
@@sludge4125 the challenger and the cuda are ponycars as well, dont try to be a smart ass.
@@sludge4125 If you are going to be a smart ass and tell everyone that they are wrong and they are infantile idiots and senile at least do your research.
The Mopar E body platform (Dodge challenger and Plymouth cuda) was specially designed to directly compete against the ford mustang and the mercury cougar which are (you guessed it) PONY CARS!.
Ponycars are a downsized relative of musclecars, that have a long hood, short deck, the challenger and cuda have long hoods and short decks and they are smaller than ANY othe mopar "muscle car" besides the A body demons, darts and dusters, and they handled better too , hell there are "track" versions of both the cuda and challenger equiped with the 340 smallblock, beefed up swaybars and upgraded suspension called the challenger T/A and the Cuda AAR that were homologation models of trans am race cars you se here.
You probably have never seen a 70´-74´ challenger in real life side to side with other pony cars from the same era, they have really similar dimentions and weight, sure the challenger is the heaviest and widest of the three (mustang, camaro and challenger) but they are all in the same range and belive it or not, lighter that almost any modern sedan on the road TODAY, the smallblock versions of the three are all under or just over 3000 pounds.
So in conclusion, the challenger IS a pony car.
harriett, you froze the ice!!!
Eddy these are pony cars, asshole, *not* muscle cars.
Eddy & Harriett, whacking off on a web site near you!!’
@@sludge4125 why did you deleted your comments?
Seems like that javelin and camaro out front are really evenly matched
They all are very close to 500 hp
I love the race cars 😊😊😊❤❤
do all the cars follow the 305 cubic inch maximum that they set a while back? or was that rule just kinda forgotten about
The Historic Trans-Am series follows the same strict guidelines they did back in the day.
+nick heald the limit is 310 as far as I know.
+nick heald 302
5.0 liters
Sweet, they even have the "boot" section open for these cars!!!!
Awesome, racing!
2 kinds of driver ... Chevy guy ,,, grab'n gears & pull'n t/ wheel ... & the AMC guy ,,, high gear free & easy ... Love it ... Thanks ... D ...
This looked like a Sunday drive by checking account racers. I saw the real thing years ago. The cars are cool and they always will be.
BTW - awesome video - really good editing. Thanks!
SCREAMIN v8s! whats the RPM redline on these?
Lyn St James was a constant in TV series in the 80s.
That was magic ! The Javelin driver made it look easy.I wonder what kind of RPM that lead Camaro was spinning
Because he wasn’t changing gears?
Wow! No spin outs.
I love the falcon and cougar.
I was there, Sludge. Bill Bryan in a Penske Camaro #16 had a problem, ran off into the guardrails, and injured a photographer who I know. I have another friend's photo of the wrecked car being hauled away, with the date and event, hanging on my wall right now.
Thanks, Mike.
7:04 Javelin driver is just chilling with his arm on the door lol.. Sunday driving.
What are their lap times??
These were amazing race cars. 5 liter v8’s with brutal power, to race them it took fearless heroes. I saw these cars race at Lime Rock in pouring rain. 1970 I think. I noticed 2 cars in this race that don’t belong: a 1965 Mustang (too old) and a Ford Fairlane (too big, out of class.
They still belonged. There was a 64 Pontiac Tempest nicknamed "Gray Ghost" that was built for this series by a group of GM engineers, just to name an example.
The guy claiming these are exactly what was raced back in the day is not being honest. A lot of parts are just not available. I watched an interview with a guy who prepared some of these cars. There are some significant differences. Availability of engine blocks and heads was a serious concern. These cars are running much newer parts. The safety cages are much better. The brakes are better. In some cases the engine is a larger displacement. The focus was more on providing track performance that was on par with the cars that were raced back when, while making the cars safer and easier to control on track and more reliable. These are "new" race cars with reproduction sheet metal. The right brand of engine under the hood and a transmission of the same type that was used. The overall configuration is the same. The drivers are instructed to be courteous and safe and run the cars at about nine tenths. Contact between cars should be avoided as much as possible. Bump passing is not allowed. Spirited driving with all the glorious sounds of racing is the order of the day.
Would have loved to see a Holman/ Moody Mustang in the mix 😁
Man, I hate WG. All the coolest races get rained on. Thanks for the post!
What's that baby ford falcon doing with the big boys ? ...( keeping up with top 20 ) 👍👍👍
The round body Falcon has exact same differential, 4 speed top loader and suspension as the 65 -66 Mustangs it will all bolt up . The Falcon is actuaaly the lightest car out there. It is 250 lbs lighter than the 65 Mustangs. I have a 61 Comet that I can set up the same, just a lot of money.