The Feuerstein Fallacy

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  • Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
  • Pastor Josh Feuerstein recently put up a $100,000 challenge to anyone who could prove that God doesn't exist. Seth Andrews, host of www.thethinkingatheist.com, responds.

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  • @panurge987
    @panurge987 10 років тому +449

    Pat Condell: "Prove God doesn’t exist...... That’s a tough one. Show me how it’s done by proving Zeus and Apollo don’t exist, and I’ll use your method."

    • @A3Kr0n
      @A3Kr0n 10 років тому +16

      Thanks for reminding me to check out his channel.

    • @Jcdlf7
      @Jcdlf7 10 років тому +8

      They live on mount Olympus we've seen the top of mount Olympus mind blown

    • @Sinwukong
      @Sinwukong 10 років тому +26

      George the hacker you have to believe before they reveal themselves to you.

    • @JacquesEurope
      @JacquesEurope 10 років тому +20

      ...meanwhile Isis is passing thor a cup of tea while having a laugh about the christians and their "unique" god ;)

    • @Jcdlf7
      @Jcdlf7 10 років тому

      I did I let Jesus then Allah and everyone into my life and I went psyco. Not I'm agnostic. As a Christian I thought Jesus died so Christians could sin as much as they want, murder is a sin. Muslim is oppression of education of women and overall women's rights they each have extremist kkk, Isis. But there moral is not the same as ours. We know education is a right and murder isn't good, we don't need a old book to tell us what to believe. We don't need Scientologys money scam. We are sane people. Please let common sense into your life and use that curiosity for once.

  • @Jaclyn
    @Jaclyn 9 років тому +261

    Such an amazing video, spot on :)

    • @SionynJones
      @SionynJones 9 років тому +5

      is just me or dose he look like a fat Fred Durst ?

    • @grantrees2416
      @grantrees2416 9 років тому +14

      Excellent argument. To bad his opponent is a gibbering idiot and won't be able to comprehend it.

    • @merlepatterson
      @merlepatterson 9 років тому +12

      I'm not against anyone believing in a god. What I'm against is the organization by people of those beliefs into any type of politically guided, mass monetized social control system.

    • @merlepatterson
      @merlepatterson 9 років тому

      +Dill very insightful

    • @incendere244
      @incendere244 9 років тому +1

      Merle Patterson Religion is a business, every human being has the right to believe in a god, but not mafia should be allowed to work, i agree

  • @mrandersong1
    @mrandersong1 8 років тому +34

    I used to be a Christian and then one day woke up and realized how dumb it made me. People choose to believe in the bible because it helps them with their insecurities in life, it helps them feel powerful being God's child. I came to realize that the more questions I had and the more I prayed, no God was hearing me. My prayers never got answered and it only led to confusion.

  • @newperve
    @newperve 9 років тому +176

    Are you denying the existence of plush time-traveling teddy bears? How can you say that? Why are you dissing my religious beliefs.

    • @jaebee1121
      @jaebee1121 9 років тому +14

      darksidelead Oh right, just because they're plush that means they're care bears? That's racist. Come into the 21st century and stop stereotyping the plushies.

    • @MelkorHimself
      @MelkorHimself 9 років тому +4

      Michael Price Ted be with you.

    • @newperve
      @newperve 9 років тому +3

      MelkorHimself And also with you.

    • @matthewficocelli4023
      @matthewficocelli4023 9 років тому +1

      Michael Price it's 'and with your spirit' now. they changed it.

    • @newperve
      @newperve 8 років тому

      Matthew Ficocelli " it's 'and with your spirit' now. they changed it."
      Heretic.

  • @Miranox2
    @Miranox2 9 років тому +255

    I offer $100000 to anyone who can prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist.

    • @DamnGirlSheFine
      @DamnGirlSheFine 9 років тому +23

      Miranox spaghetti is an Italian food and the FSM bible was written by an american. therefore he is a hoax perpetrated by Americans in order to make fun of Italians. where is my $1,000,000 dollars :D

    • @Miranox2
      @Miranox2 9 років тому +42

      J. Cole
      Yes, it was written by an American who received divine inspiration :)

    • @sladewoodward273
      @sladewoodward273 9 років тому +21

      Miranox I was touched by his noodle-y appendage.

    • @recentral48
      @recentral48 9 років тому +12

      Miranox I ate him. He doesn't exist......anymore

    • @michaelschielke290
      @michaelschielke290 9 років тому

      +Miranox Can you name one person who GENUINELY believes in the FSM? As opposed to many brilliant scientists and leaders who believe in the God of the Bible.

  • @stiimuli
    @stiimuli 10 років тому +45

    Oddly, the thing about this video that amazes me more than anything else is your ability to speak so clearly and purposefully for 11 and a half minutes seemingly without cuts or retakes and with only 2 barely noticeable pronunciation flubs. Did you memorize that entire speech???

    • @stiimuli
      @stiimuli 10 років тому +9

      That said, someone needs to issue a totally serious looking $100,000 "prove leprechauns don't exist" challenge in response to that guy.

    • @filonin2
      @filonin2 10 років тому +15

      stiimuli
      He was a radio personality for 10 years, he's used to speaking in only one take.

    • @eugenegrewing2587
      @eugenegrewing2587 10 років тому +16

      He spent years in radio. He's a pro.

    • @BrockOlsenTheDatingExpert
      @BrockOlsenTheDatingExpert 10 років тому +4

      stiimuli
      Or someone can just let him know that there has been a million dollar prize waiting for decades to teh first person who proves God DOES exist.

    • @whisperbugg6998
      @whisperbugg6998 10 років тому +5

      Seth Andrews is a brilliant speaker. He has a fantastic podcast and great videos. I would love to see him in person it would be awesome. Very patient to the outlandish responses and replies he gets from Christians as well.

  • @BEEEELEEEE
    @BEEEELEEEE 9 років тому +56

    I have an invisible, intangible T-Rex in my yard. Don't believe me? Prove I don't.

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 6 років тому +5

      My T-Rex is better than yours, it can do anything it chooses.

    • @mavendeo
      @mavendeo 6 років тому +1

      The T-Rex in _my_ yard lives outside the known universe and is completely undetectable by any known means, but left a book that tells me that I should but also should not kill people.

    • @justsomeguy2825
      @justsomeguy2825 6 років тому

      Because either it does exist, and you know it does, or it doesn't, and you know it doesn't. It's pointless to prove you wrong, As your t-rex only seems to affect you.

    • @mavendeo
      @mavendeo 6 років тому

      Michael Lamb
      Why are you angry at the T-Rex? He only wants to save you from being eaten by himself. Let the T-Rex into your heart!

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 6 років тому

      Because it's obviously a false T-Rex, mine is much better.

  • @Ohsnapzdawg
    @Ohsnapzdawg 9 років тому +112

    I was a atheist growing up, but later became a christian when I heard pat robertson on tv.
    JK, that doesn't happen

    • @justsomeguy2825
      @justsomeguy2825 5 років тому +5

      Pat Robertson ensured I'd never go back to Christianity ever again.

    • @cougar1341
      @cougar1341 5 років тому

      an*

  • @williamfrazier646
    @williamfrazier646 10 років тому +28

    The most common answer I get when I ask Christians if they would kill their child upon God's request is, "Yes, but God wouldn't actually make me go through with it. He would stop me before I did, like Abraham".
    sigh

    • @CortlandWheeler
      @CortlandWheeler 10 років тому +7

      Human sacrifice is in the Bible. Tell them to read Judges 11:29-40. The story of Jephthah's daughter.

    • @ekscalybur
      @ekscalybur 10 років тому +5

      Cortland Wheeler Human sacrifice in the bible that everybody has heard of.
      Some guy named Jesus. You don't have to dig through the bible to find a reference, hell, a reminder is hanging front and center in every christian church ever. Ask a christian what Jesus did for them, and the auto-response is he died for them. It doesn't get more human sacrifice-ey than that.

    • @oopie9532
      @oopie9532 10 років тому

      Cortland Wheeler Took the words right out of my mouth. That's exactly what I was thinking of.

    • @ikill4klondikebars
      @ikill4klondikebars 10 років тому +1

      Jails across the country contain parents who killed their children because God told them to. Apparently God forgot to intervene and save the child. Must have been busy helping Joel Osteen's wife with her parking space.

  • @Dragoon876
    @Dragoon876 10 років тому +99

    Justin Bieber has millions of views, that's your proof there is no god.

    • @user-py9cy1sy9u
      @user-py9cy1sy9u 10 років тому +3

      Either you failed at trolling or you are stupid as a brick, because you missed main point about this video

    • @Dragoon876
      @Dragoon876 10 років тому +7

      Wow, some people have no sense of humor. It was neither a troll nor a serious opinion. I understand the point; you can't prove there isn't a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow but that doesn't mean there is. Sound about right?

    • @user-py9cy1sy9u
      @user-py9cy1sy9u 10 років тому +2

      your humor is bad and you should feel bad

    • @user-py9cy1sy9u
      @user-py9cy1sy9u 10 років тому

      Jay Kline of what?

    • @VignauDan
      @VignauDan 10 років тому

      It works for me.

  • @markdayell61
    @markdayell61 9 років тому +28

    Such an eloquent response. Thank you for the much needed words of wisdom and reason you provide.

  • @kinesis28
    @kinesis28 8 років тому +28

    11 minutes of common sense.

  • @genericeric0102
    @genericeric0102 10 років тому +35

    Question everything.You can't reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

    • @TheThinkingAtheist
      @TheThinkingAtheist  10 років тому +51

      If that was true, I'd still be a Christian. I, Matt Dillahunty and many others were reasoned out of our faith.

    • @andrewklein8922
      @andrewklein8922 10 років тому +13

      ***** I agree, Seth, but I do see where Eric is coming from. Some Christians have abandoned reason for their religion. Former Christians like you, Matt, and myself, all reached a point where our use of reason ceased being compatible with our religious beliefs. I'd modify Eric's phrase to say that "You cannot reason someone out of faith if their faith is not actively allowing them to engage reason."

    • @hardinmichael1981
      @hardinmichael1981 10 років тому

      i question THAT.

    • @supahmagilla
      @supahmagilla 10 років тому

      ***** Oxford comma fail. Thought this was written by Matt Dillahunty.
      Or was it o.O ?

    • @-Zer0Dark-
      @-Zer0Dark- 10 років тому +3

      I am living proof that the latter portion of your comment is false.

  • @tsummerlee
    @tsummerlee 8 років тому +61

    Great voice.

    • @utah133
      @utah133 6 років тому +6

      TCBeads Yeah, he does have that perfect radio voice, and can even tackle video, as he is not ugly. Not a 10, by any means, but not ugly

    • @frankm.2850
      @frankm.2850 6 років тому +3

      You can tell he has a history in radio. ☺️

  • @zdraper99
    @zdraper99 8 років тому +5

    as a Christian, I want to apologize for that man.

  • @illusionoffreedom2254
    @illusionoffreedom2254 9 років тому +54

    i'll give $1,000,000 to anyone that can prove the existence of a god ...
    any takers ??

    • @illusionoffreedom2254
      @illusionoffreedom2254 9 років тому

      WOW !!! i never thought of that .. you're right .
      man, do i feel like a fool .
      i'm sure the wbc needs the funds since freddie has kicked the bucket , oops,hu,hum,cough,fart,puck,,,, i mean ''past away'' . god rest his soul .

    • @LotusHeightz
      @LotusHeightz 8 років тому

      Explain

    • @jayzenitram9621
      @jayzenitram9621 7 років тому +31

      I feel a tickle in my balls. Is that god too?

    • @macesondheim4873
      @macesondheim4873 7 років тому

      illusion of freedom Inwould like to point you to the DNA strand, evidence of god

    • @silvy7394
      @silvy7394 6 років тому

      Whats the chances of someone having a dream thats almost the same exact, big event which happens that morning?
      Thats a simple short answer question for you to answer.

  • @Rolfwiberg
    @Rolfwiberg 10 років тому +78

    It really doesn't matter, you can't reason with religious people by default. Pure empirical data will not change anything.

    • @filonin2
      @filonin2 10 років тому +3

      *****
      It doesn't work with people who would believe 2+2=5 though.

    • @Rolfwiberg
      @Rolfwiberg 10 років тому +2

      Secularist FreeThought I was never a theist, before I was an atheist I was nothing, like I would expect most atheists. I participated in social and cultural life and even if some of them was in a church, I was never a christian. I never believed in an all powerful whatever. If you use reason you will end up on the atheist side as looking at the bible for instinct, it's basically a collection of errors.

    • @TheDoomAmbassador
      @TheDoomAmbassador 10 років тому +3

      Rolf wiberg
      Not to be a pain in the ass, but everyone is born an atheist. If you've never heard of a god, you don't think that there is one, i. e. you're an atheist, albeit unknowingly. So there is no "nothing" phase. What you mean is that you weren't raised religious.

    • @Rolfwiberg
      @Rolfwiberg 10 років тому +3

      TheDoomAmbassador You're right. I would go one further and say you CAN be raised religious, still take part and belonging to that society and still not believe in it, hence being atheist for whatever reason staying in that sphere. Maybe due to denial or self preservation (fear of harm). But main problem is still parents and surroundings forcing a view on children.

    • @TheThinkingAtheist
      @TheThinkingAtheist  10 років тому +26

      If you couldn't reason with religious people, I'd still be religious. -Seth

  • @azakusilov
    @azakusilov 10 років тому +59

    God is as much real, as his $100,000.

  • @CringeComedyTV
    @CringeComedyTV 6 років тому +3

    Just watched this video for the first time. Extremely well thought out, rational and fact based. I was exquisitely impressed with your delivery, and content. I wish I was half as eloquent a speaker and was able to maintain such a thoughtful and concise dialogue. Wonderful video.

  • @kattheryn1234
    @kattheryn1234 10 років тому +15

    Well thought out video that my family would disown me for if I shared it. UGH. Being a former Christian is rough and I'm sure our struggles are similar. Keep doing what you do.

    • @quantumpoptart
      @quantumpoptart 10 років тому +2

      Same :)

    • @ybor363
      @ybor363 9 років тому +1

      Rock the boat! Jesus said he came to bring the sword, I say bring a .45.

    • @awetpipe3074
      @awetpipe3074 3 роки тому +1

      6 years later I hope you're doing well, I have a similar situation.

  • @rodneywoof
    @rodneywoof 10 років тому +28

    Hey Christians, if we came from dirt why is there still dirt?

  • @TX59N
    @TX59N 10 років тому +34

    Wow. Seth took the gloves off. Josh got his ass smashed.lol

    • @TX59N
      @TX59N 10 років тому +4

      ***** Lol...I agree my friend. Gottta love watching these clowns get owned.

  • @syjrun
    @syjrun 9 років тому +27

    If god doesnt exist then how do you explain your smooth as fuck voice!?
    Checkmate atheists

    • @BigMcLargeChungus
      @BigMcLargeChungus 9 років тому

      Good one

    • @josephmarsh5031
      @josephmarsh5031 6 років тому

      damn... got me...

    • @Apollorion
      @Apollorion 6 років тому

      Admitting to not know something is not forbidden at all, and though assuming a god explains everything, it predicts nothing and is thereby useless.

    • @josephmarsh5031
      @josephmarsh5031 6 років тому

      You realize he was being sarcastic, right?

  • @TopherPatten
    @TopherPatten 9 років тому +3

    Best radio voice I ever heard.

  • @AzimuthTao
    @AzimuthTao 10 років тому +5

    You were already way over Josh's head when you said, "hey, I'm Seth Andrews".

  • @thesinaclwon
    @thesinaclwon 8 років тому +16

    that guys like a Fred Durst Kevin James hybrid, we must destroy it!

  • @mikedavey1996
    @mikedavey1996 8 років тому +7

    "Why is anyone listening to you? [Feuerstein]"
    That's a question I ask whenever I glimpse one of his videos.

    • @roder51
      @roder51 8 років тому +4

      +Mike Davey People afraid of death love to listen to idiots who tell them there's life after death.

    • @LeTiProQuebecois
      @LeTiProQuebecois 8 років тому

      +Mike Davey that's a paradox...?

  • @crabbycrafter7077
    @crabbycrafter7077 10 років тому

    Seth.. thank you.. I appreciate you standing up! This video was sent out to my friends and family. ..woot woot keep up the awesome work.

  • @BrumelyKris
    @BrumelyKris 10 років тому +6

    You should do more videos like these alongside your podcasts Seth.

  • @Duel53
    @Duel53 9 років тому +3

    Your voice is just so relaxing, smooth, and something to listen to. Amazing channel.

  • @LarryThePhotoGuy
    @LarryThePhotoGuy 4 роки тому +1

    Seth Andrews That was absolutely awesome! Standing Ovation from me!!! I hope you don't mind if I quote you. A lot.
    I've watched and admired your output for years, but this one I'd missed. I have degrees in English Lit and Philosophy, I know a well conceived, well constructed and cogent argument when I hear one and I know rhetoric properly used. This one checks all of the boxes. 2 thumbs up!

  • @midgetrobinson
    @midgetrobinson 4 роки тому

    I was a Sunday school teacher when I was in college. This video was the first one that got me thinking and following the yellow brick road out of oz 4 years ago. You have my not so eternal gratefulness.

  • @ChrisLegaspi_art
    @ChrisLegaspi_art 9 років тому +5

    Oh the sweet sound of reason! Hallelujah brother TTA :)

  • @dave28lax
    @dave28lax 10 років тому +37

    I wonder if Feuerstein has proven he actually has $100,000.

    • @a68rebel
      @a68rebel 10 років тому +12

      If he had the money, he would have already spent it at KFC by now.

    • @CapitalMort
      @CapitalMort 10 років тому +18

      You have to BELIEVE he has $100,000 then the cash will reveal itself to you. But you don't get to keep it until after you die.

    • @sudeshradhakissoon5794
      @sudeshradhakissoon5794 10 років тому

      ***** lol

    • @litoaz
      @litoaz 10 років тому +2

      well, he is a pastor so...

    • @jaxsonbateman
      @jaxsonbateman 10 років тому

      I really hope someone who knows where he lives, confronts him in person and asks him for some stipulations for his challenge. Specifically, how he defines god. Possibly getting him to sign something saying he'd pay up the 100k if he was proven wrong. He might be too fearful of negative feedback if he refused to back his bet, that he might actually sign documentation.
      Given that the god of the bible actually contains contradictions, you can actually prove that he doesn't exist as described. Get a signed document, make the proof, and take him to court when he doesn't pay up.

  • @fitzjamie1
    @fitzjamie1 9 років тому

    Been following you for a while. Thank you. You do it well!!!! And I so agree- keep it going, because it is hard. Well done, sir!

  • @edmina284
    @edmina284 Рік тому

    This video never gets old. As a none believer I have crushed every debate with these simple methods and logic againts the thumpers.
    You Mr Andrews along with Stephen hawkings, and Morgan freeman are my prophets! 🙇‍♂️

  • @TombstoneDaDeadman
    @TombstoneDaDeadman 10 років тому +5

    Thank you

  • @XSilvenX
    @XSilvenX 10 років тому +5

    This started off a bit weak but ended very strongly. Thumbs way up, well deserved.

  • @inrealitywetrust2610
    @inrealitywetrust2610 9 років тому

    thank you Seth. great to hear you.

  • @ShikariHybryd
    @ShikariHybryd 9 років тому +2

    "A god who is the hide and seek champion of the universe" - that line just had me in stitches

  • @jimmyc3238
    @jimmyc3238 9 років тому +4

    Well reasoned, passionate but not abusive. We need more guys like Seth Andrews. Great speaking voice too!

  • @TeaIngyer
    @TeaIngyer 8 років тому +18

    I'll give 100,000 Monopoly dollars to the person who can prove there is not a china teapot in an elliptical orbit between Earth and Mars that is too small to be spotted by any human telescope.

    • @exilfromsanity
      @exilfromsanity 7 років тому

      That teapot fell out of orbit, landed on the trampoline in my backyard, and I caught it on the third bounce.
      It's now in my china cabinet, pay up.

    • @TeaIngyer
      @TeaIngyer 7 років тому

      Luckystrike
      Pics or didn't happen

    • @exilfromsanity
      @exilfromsanity 7 років тому +1

      MarklenIngyer
      I can't find my camera.
      I think it's in orbit somewhere between Earth and Mars. I've looked everywhere else.[:

    • @douglasj2254
      @douglasj2254 7 років тому +1

      Brilliant.

    • @daveoh13
      @daveoh13 5 років тому

      you are wrong: the teapot orbits between the earth & venus!
      i mean, who wants cold tea?

  • @bonnielee8935
    @bonnielee8935 9 років тому

    Seth, this is one of the best responses ever. Thank you!

  • @steveberry6110
    @steveberry6110 9 років тому

    That was excellent. Thank you Seth Andrews.

  • @logisticallogic8673
    @logisticallogic8673 9 років тому +4

    I exist. You exist. Dogs exist. The world exists. Where is my $100,000?

  • @Ohrami
    @Ohrami 10 років тому +21

    "Flightless animals with wings"
    Aron Ra actually gives an explanation for why this is possible, and why the first animals with wings were in fact flightless. Wings were likely used by dinosaurs to cover their eggs and keep them warm, and thus they could support a much larger clutch than they could without wings. Wings have purposes beyond flight in many animals. Everything else you mentioned, however, are true vestiges and can only be explained through evolution.

    • @TheThinkingAtheist
      @TheThinkingAtheist  10 років тому +27

      I wasn't speaking at that moment about evolution. I was speaking to "design."

    • @JacquesEurope
      @JacquesEurope 10 років тому +1

      all nicely explained, but has nothing to do with Seth's statement in the video :) please watch again.

    • @truvelocity
      @truvelocity 10 років тому +1

      Many flightless birds today evolved from birds that did fly in the past.

    • @rbtmdl
      @rbtmdl 9 років тому

      Bryce William turkeys and chickens are not flightless.

    • @isilanes
      @isilanes 9 років тому +1

      It is obvious that the first animals with wings *must* have been flightless. Otherwise, the opposite must have been true: there were flying animals with no wings, that evolved wings afterwards. I wonder how exactly they flew :)
      Some animals gained the ability to fly once they developed wings, taking advantage of the fact that they did have wings (not the other way around). Maybe those wings were not evolutionarily discarded long before actually being suitable for flying because they provided some benefit, such as stabilization while running.

  • @ImeldaL
    @ImeldaL 10 років тому

    Well said sir. Very eloquently and no offensive words. two thumbs up for you.

  • @jonnyspaceboy
    @jonnyspaceboy 9 років тому

    Christian here. I appreciate your thoughts, your clarity, and your calm response. This is the type of response that will get us talking instead of bickering. Well done. And, as I'm sure you have heard before, I am praying to God that you may know Jesus Christ and once again believe his claims.

  • @waynemills206
    @waynemills206 7 років тому +6

    If I was an ignorant, fearful, intuitive shaman living in the middle east 2000 years ago, I would think, speak and act like Jesus. If I was an ignorant, fearful, intuitive scribe living in the middle ages 2000 years ago, I would think, speak and write a book about Jesus. There is nothing written in any canon that an imaginative man could not write on his own.

  • @TeleportlabsETH
    @TeleportlabsETH 9 років тому +34

    Dear religious individuals:
    Why do you place your beliefs in a pedestal? By that I mean, why are you skeptical about all sorts of things like politics and sports but not about religion? Think about it, if your faith is so strong why don't you dare corroborate the claims that have been spoon-fed to you since you were a child? For example, did Adam and Eve exist? We certainly can't corroborate that historically but we can hypothesize that a population of 2 individuals in ANY species has little to no chance of surviving, and zero chance of becoming this abundant in just a few thousand years. Then, you can follow-up with a logical statement such as: If Adam and Eve couldn't have existed, then there is no original sin, if there is no original sin, then there is no real reason for a sacrifice and finally, if there is no real reason for a sacrifice, then Christianity has been falsified. Now, people will tell you that they don't take Genesis literally, that they take it metaphorically. Most people that say this don't even have a clue as to what a metaphor is...so I guess I will tell you. First of all, a metaphor is a figure of speech, in other words a tool to convey meaning. There are metaphors in the bible but the objective will always be to give the meaning of one word to another like referring to god as a shepherd which begs the question, why would anyone get mad when they are called sheep? People want to feel as if they can lead themselves, but let's realize that this is a process. Each of us is born ignorant of the world around us, lets compare that to this fact: Christianity, at least in the US has a lot invested in education, private schools since the Separation of Church and State prohibits the advocacy of any given religion by state funded programs. You have such things as Sunday Schools and Baptism making sure that children start believing in god as soon as possible. Astounding, since that is the only way I can conceive one would believe such utter non-sense. On top of that, it is not enough that they believe a god exists, they have to fear as well. Because god is like Freddy Kruger, he needs our fear for his mere existence to be possible. In the past, fear was instilled by ignorance and violence, not much has changed except the downgrade of violence to a more socially oriented violence like bullying and ostracizing. Well, at least we are not being burned at the stake anymore. Any other system of ideas that would even dare to go to such measures to try and keep their people faithful would surely be ridiculed out of the county, but religion has always been placed in a pedestal, with a don't touch sing. The less you contemplate it, the less you think about it, the easier life will be for you. However, you are between that and living a lie. You choose. Eventually you will get out of the woods, but you will never get back the time lost pretending.

    • @TheeHolyTawheed
      @TheeHolyTawheed 9 років тому

      Not every Christian out there is a cradle-Christian who accepts christianity merely because they've been told to.

    • @TeleportlabsETH
      @TeleportlabsETH 9 років тому +1

      Jacob K so what is your excuse?

    • @TheeHolyTawheed
      @TheeHolyTawheed 9 років тому

      Hector Flores there are many reasons why I'm a Christian. But to name a few would be stability, purpose, value for others, and a moral code to follow

    • @TeleportlabsETH
      @TeleportlabsETH 9 років тому +3

      Jacob K fair enough, I just hope you realize that you can obtain that without having to believe the extraordinary claims Christianity requires you to believe. I'm pretty sure you've heard this before but there are millions of atheists out there that are living stable, meaningful, moral lives without a deity.

    • @TheeHolyTawheed
      @TheeHolyTawheed 9 років тому

      Hector Flores it is very difficult to live a stable, meaningful life when you have nobody to support you throughout the way. 

  • @markricker44
    @markricker44 8 років тому

    As an aspiring broadcaster, I will say that your voice and oration skills are outstanding! I hope to hear you in a wider platform soon.

  • @TheStarDragon
    @TheStarDragon 6 років тому

    You are a wonderful person. Thank you.

  • @ArguingFromIgnorance
    @ArguingFromIgnorance 10 років тому +3

    Great video Seth, I really like this format.

  • @CATMANTOO
    @CATMANTOO 9 років тому +5

    GOOD ONE MATE!

  • @TheMirandaBeard
    @TheMirandaBeard 10 років тому +1

    This was inspiring. I love his calm logic and the questions he asked. Great video, absolutely loved it!

  • @peterzish
    @peterzish 8 років тому

    Brilliant. Look forward to more

  • @Blackmark52
    @Blackmark52 10 років тому +3

    Regarding the challenge : the money isn't there. Josh will have made no effort to secure any actual funds in case his challenge is met because the challenge is dishonest and he has no intention of paying. Forget about whether or not it is possible to prove "a negative," Josh simply would not accept any proof no matter how iron clad.

    • @sappholian
      @sappholian 10 років тому +1

      Exactly. Religious people, especially those creationist nutters, routinely reject or alter evidence that does not support their own presuppositions.

  • @EdWittenable
    @EdWittenable 9 років тому +4

    I love that "hide and seek champion" remark.

  • @bradenharris5616
    @bradenharris5616 9 років тому

    Watching since 2010, and still as good as ever. Time to sit back on the couch, have a good craft beer, and just be entertained in an educational way.

  • @ryan0348
    @ryan0348 9 років тому

    I could listen to you talk all day

  • @DrumWild
    @DrumWild 8 років тому +6

    Let's suppose that a god of some kind DOES materialize. It's this glowing, floating mass that can communicate telepathically in all languages simultaneously. It appears before everyone at once and says, "I am everything."
    Do you know what would happen next?
    The Christians would be quick to say this was their god, Yahweh. Muslims would declare it Allah. Hindus would declare it Vishnu. Everyone would see THEIR god in it, and would be quick to accept this appearance as evidence.
    Meanwhile, the Atheist would say, "Hmm. Well, I guess there IS a god out there. But we still don't know if it correlates to any of the world's religions. I did not see a name tag."

    • @theinvisiblequeen
      @theinvisiblequeen 3 роки тому

      An atheist would ask - is this an alien? Why would the religious assume it's a god?

  • @JohnDoeSchmoe
    @JohnDoeSchmoe 10 років тому +3

    This is a never ending merry-go-round though. We say _"God could easily have shown himself to all of us, and been a common experience we all shared and could compare notes about"_, and the Christian will then say _"Yeah, but free will and original sin"_, to which we reply _"What about all the characters in the Bible who allegedly had more or less direct contact with God? What about Satan, for instance?"_, to which they change the subject, and eventually we're back to Josh's circle of knowledge.

    • @MrHoffmeyer2009
      @MrHoffmeyer2009 10 років тому

      It's true, but if we can reach even one person, then the "endless merry-go-round" was worth it.

    • @JohnDoeSchmoe
      @JohnDoeSchmoe 10 років тому +1

      Corey Hoffmeyer Yes, it _can_ work, over time. I'm one of those people. Believed in and "knew" God existed until I was thirty-something. I can't really put my finger on one, or a few specific things, that made me go that way though. Something enabled me to look at my beliefs from 'outside the bubble', and then it clicked, at least after a while.

    • @ekscalybur
      @ekscalybur 10 років тому +2

      Way back when, god had zero problems showing himself. Undeniable acts of a deity happened all the time. Bushes on fire that don't burn and then SPEAK!!! Rivers turning into actual blood, frogs raining from the sky, an entire sea getting out of the way of an old guy with a stick. Dead people that stop being dead.
      Disclaimer: I realize that none of the shit listed above actually happened.

    • @ikill4klondikebars
      @ikill4klondikebars 10 років тому

      MichaelB769 Then wouldn't that disprove the idea of Satan then? Why would a character like God create humans, then run off to other galaxies creating stuff while we're stuck here being "corrupted" by his fallen angel? Doesn't sound like he's equipping his "children" with the tools they need to be successful here on Earth.

    • @MichaelB769
      @MichaelB769 10 років тому

      ikill4klondikebars If life wasn't restricted to our planet, I'd imagine the corruption you speak of wouldn't be, either. They'd both be busy.

  • @creevesabudd3021
    @creevesabudd3021 9 років тому

    Love your logic! :D I have tried to express this concept many times to religious people for years and years now.

  • @Altair122122332345
    @Altair122122332345 9 років тому

    Your voice is a pleasure to listen to sir.

  • @BigRalphSmith
    @BigRalphSmith 9 років тому +10

    Wow. This comment section is literally filled with theists making a huge effort to shift the burden of proof away from their claim that a god exists.
    I think most of them know what they are doing but have decided that dishonest discourse is allowed when in defense of their invisible superfriend.

  • @Squidorah
    @Squidorah 9 років тому +22

    You have the voice of a god; (ironically) you sound like the radio host on Silent Hills P.T. Keep up the good work!

    • @HydraLinsK
      @HydraLinsK 9 років тому +4

      JaySpacey fuck that was a good demo. Sucks they scrapped it

    • @Squidorah
      @Squidorah 9 років тому

      HydraLinsK Yeah It's too bad :(

    • @Hazufrazen
      @Hazufrazen 9 років тому +1

      JaySpacey del toro and kojima are both working on a joint project together. nothing is known about it except it exists.

  • @jasminetomca
    @jasminetomca 9 років тому

    thanks for this - i love the way you get your points across

  • @IAmNigelFranklyn
    @IAmNigelFranklyn 10 років тому

    I simply want to say THANK YOU!

  • @bongmanding
    @bongmanding 8 років тому +3

    You nailed it, Seth!

  • @AwesomeAndrew
    @AwesomeAndrew 10 років тому +4

    Thank God I'm an Atheist

  • @ashleyoesterle789
    @ashleyoesterle789 9 років тому +1

    i love how you are good at verbalizing things i cannot!! i get too frustrated and give up. seeing this video gives me a little hope that the world isn't so insane after all. I'm not the only one who doesn't believe in a book written thousands of years ago. with no proof. so thanks again.

  • @americansantiago
    @americansantiago 10 років тому

    Wonderfully well put together rebuttal

  • @Nitrobucket
    @Nitrobucket 10 років тому +20

    I prefer the Prometheus movie version of a creator(s) Waay more interesting anyway

    • @MadBrainBox
      @MadBrainBox 10 років тому

      I used to think that Christianity stole the Prometheus story somehow.Because the story I heard was that Lucifer take the shape of the snake and convinced Eve to eat the apple.Offering the humans knowledge.Just the way Prometheus stole the fire and gave it to the humans.

    • @Nitrobucket
      @Nitrobucket 10 років тому +1

      MadBrainBox Oh i meant the movie Prometheus :)

    • @thedarknight307
      @thedarknight307 9 років тому +2

      Nitrobucket Dude that would be awesome. Though terrifying because we would have face raping aliens

  • @edmeister4031
    @edmeister4031 9 років тому +27

    What "theory" means in ordinary speech:
    The term "theory" means a very different thing when used in everyday conversation and in science. In our day to day speech, we often use "theory" to mean a guess or unsubstantiated idea about how something works (as in "I have a theory that gremlins are hiding my car keys").
    In science, we would call such a guess a hypothesis, not a theory. A hypothesis is a proposed explanation for an observation. In this case, I am proposing that the explanation for why I can't find my car keys is that gremlins are hiding them.*
    The distinction between the words "Theory" and "Hypothesis" is very important because in science "Theory" does not mean "guess". I repeat, "Theory" does not mean "guess".
    So, what does the word "theory" mean in science?
    According to the National Academies of Sciences, "some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena".
    People who don't understand this distinction sometimes dismiss ideas saying "it's just a theory" (this is very commonly used to suggest that evolution is just speculation, for example). But, when scientists speak of the theory of gravity or the theory of evolution, they don't mean that these are random untested ideas that someone came up with after too many beers.
    The AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science), the world's largest scientific society, has this explanation of what scientists mean when they use the word "theory":
    " A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world."

    • @edmeister4031
      @edmeister4031 9 років тому +3

      We need to spread this around so that the scientific illiterate know the difference.

    • @plaguedoctor415
      @plaguedoctor415 6 років тому +3

      +Eagle I'm pretty sure that at least most of them understand the word theory by now, both the scientific and common usage. Just as I'm sure they understand the word atheist. It's just more convenient at this point to stick to their script. After all its much easier to argue with a straw man than actual ideas. However, if someone genuinely does not understand I agree we should shed some light on this. Although, so far every time I've tried to explain it, I've noticed they prefer to use their preconceived notions.

    • @yumeriagirl1231
      @yumeriagirl1231 6 років тому

      Eagle 👌😊👏👏👏👏👏👏

    • @mickeythompson9537
      @mickeythompson9537 6 років тому +1

      Yes indeed - common parlance is wrong.
      Maybe worth giving this link: notjustatheory.com/
      The creationtards will still lie, but now they know for sure they're lying.

  • @AgedQuasar
    @AgedQuasar 9 років тому +1

    Excellent video!
    I once asked a pair of young ladies going from apartment to apartment in my complex spreading the word, "Would God exist if man didn't?" One immediately said NO! The other was silent.
    The young lady who said "no" reinforced my understanding that we created the concept of God at a time when we had little knowledge and understanding of our existence. Those times, however, are long gone.
    Still, many choose to believe in God because doing anything else is more difficult for them. Not those of us who don't believe (I used to also), but "them." That is why all the imaginary Gods continue to exist in this far more knowledgeable time. And that will slowly change, but slowly because humans change slowly. :)

  • @richiejr87
    @richiejr87 9 років тому

    Thank you!

  • @eddardstark8427
    @eddardstark8427 9 років тому +27

    hide and seek champion... lol

    • @Nebontha
      @Nebontha 9 років тому

      Walter White Walt! We NEED to cook!

    • @eddardstark8427
      @eddardstark8427 9 років тому +1

      Neb ontha sorry, i dont use partners anymore.

  • @Aar0nDavis
    @Aar0nDavis 8 років тому +14

    This might be a silly question, but how do you get your voice to sound like that? It sort of sounds like those old radio broadcasters/announcers.

    • @robosergTV
      @robosergTV 8 років тому +5

      +Aaron Davis good mic and a software/hardware compressor

    • @soupcake3092
      @soupcake3092 8 років тому +11

      +Игровой канал RobosergTV And a fine ass voice box

    • @stephaniecuellar3192
      @stephaniecuellar3192 6 років тому +1

      Seth's past was in Xian FM radio. His voice patterns no doubt reflect it.
      l think it adds to his charm.

  • @KittyCandyCupcakes
    @KittyCandyCupcakes 6 років тому

    Ah, you're awesome Seth! Thanks for existing.

  • @legionmantis
    @legionmantis 9 років тому +1

    Wow, Seth. You totally killed it with this one. Well done, sir!

  • @Stand_By_For_Mind_Control
    @Stand_By_For_Mind_Control 10 років тому +12

    Prove god doesn't exist. Okay, done.
    Now prove me wrong.

    • @kitcat0075
      @kitcat0075 10 років тому +2

      Yep a leprechaun

    • @bobb7320
      @bobb7320 10 років тому

      the burden of proof is with the oe that is making the positive claim. You can't prove a negative

  • @Sunrise_Songs
    @Sunrise_Songs 8 років тому +3

    Great video, you've earned my sub.

  • @GamersOnGames
    @GamersOnGames 10 років тому

    This is so full of win...I don't even know where to start. Well spoken, well reasoned, I honestly don't know where to finish complimenting your response video. You managed to nail, quite effectively, the fallacy of these "prove he doesn't exist" claims, challenges, and the like. Keep posting with logic. Well done sir.

  • @Largo64
    @Largo64 8 років тому +1

    Outstanding, as usual!

  • @134214567893
    @134214567893 8 років тому +4

    Its like saying "prove that Santa Claus doesn't exists". SMH such a lazy and dishonest way to prove your point.

  • @h2opolojbor
    @h2opolojbor 10 років тому +8

    this video help me with thoughts i've been trying to put words to. i was born and raised catholic, but have been steadily losing my faith. it just doesn't make sense to me anymore. the fact that so many religions exist makes me skeptical because they all have faith they are right, but when we all die a bunch of people are going to be pissed off that they were wrong. I'd rather live my life as full as I can, and if there is some being out there that wants me to do stuff for him I'd rather him tell me than leave it to supposed interpreters of old texts to tell me. cuz if he doesn't exist, then religion and faith were just a complete waste of my short life. i'd rather live it on my terms.

    • @h2opolojbor
      @h2opolojbor 9 років тому +4

      exactly. nobody really knows what happens when you die besides decomposition. i'd rather utilize the life i have now

    • @AnimeHumanCoherence
      @AnimeHumanCoherence 9 років тому

      *****
      Actually, according to the bible, even if we live good lives, we aren't christian; therefore, we deserve the same fate that murderers, rapists, and thieves get. Well, at least murderers, rapists, and thieves that didn't do those things under the bible.

    • @playerslayer718
      @playerslayer718 9 років тому +1

      If I may say, I suggest looking into as many faiths and beliefs as you can, before determining your standing on it. If you're gonna be an atheist, then do this to understand them.

    • @danlotroth9231
      @danlotroth9231 6 років тому

      garbagehead how does your search go after a few years?

  • @miklas0815
    @miklas0815 10 років тому

    A truly excellent speech!

  • @WRS42
    @WRS42 9 років тому

    Thank you!

  • @williamstrumfels3305
    @williamstrumfels3305 8 років тому +41

    who here would buy a used car from Josh Feauerstein. because thats all he is.. its called SNAKEOIL

    • @soupcake3092
      @soupcake3092 8 років тому

      +jeremybr2020 I've heard stories of cows getting hit by cars and being totaly fine, the cars on the other hand, it'd probably be a bit like that.

    • @jeremybr2020
      @jeremybr2020 8 років тому

      Nerdy Nachos
      Cows and Josh Feuerstein.......yep, I can see the similarities there. lol You know I'm probably being a little unfair here. So I would like to take this opportunity to apologize........to the cows. I'm so very sorry cows for comparing you to the likes of Josh Feuerstein. I realize you cows are much more attractive and not nearly as annoying to hang out with as is the case with Josh F. It shan't happen again. :)

    • @jeremybr2020
      @jeremybr2020 8 років тому +1

      William Strumfels
      I'll grant you that it certainly doesn't help. However Josh Feuerstein is small potatoes compared to the likes of Donald Trump. Now there's someone who's proving by the millions how stupid some of my fellow Americans can be.

    • @williamstrumfels3305
      @williamstrumfels3305 8 років тому

      maybe it how our great country comes to a end. just how many safe guards are there against these loons?

    • @Kardflow
      @Kardflow 7 років тому

      @William Srumfels
      *proof* >.>

  • @Furluge
    @Furluge 10 років тому +3

    Let me just say I am jealous of your speaking voice and on camera presence and how you got this all done in one take.

  • @jakalope1218
    @jakalope1218 6 років тому +1

    love this guys voice, soothes me to sleep every night, glad hes got heaps of content as ill be listening to this for years to come.

  • @_Carl_Spackler
    @_Carl_Spackler 9 років тому

    Amazing video. Thank you.

  • @theblackprinceofnyc
    @theblackprinceofnyc 9 років тому +3

    ITS A TRAP!
    You can't prove a negative.

  • @photografr7
    @photografr7 9 років тому +3

    Damn, this guy is good.

  • @19moey86
    @19moey86 9 років тому

    Ah Seth! I'm a long time fan of yours,but I've never commented (that I can remember). I really want to tell you this video is amazing. I think it will be hugely influential. You really schooled this poor poor man.

  • @JohnSkapyro
    @JohnSkapyro 9 років тому

    That was a really nice video my friend, from many aspects.I enjoyed it very much!Thanks for uploading this, and keep up the good work!

  • @ittybittykittytitty1
    @ittybittykittytitty1 9 років тому +4

    omg first time ive been to this channel WHERE DID HE GET THAT VOICE its fuckin AWESOME i wish i had a voice like that >.>

    • @TheSnoopy1750
      @TheSnoopy1750 9 років тому +1

      It's like the voice of God! :-)

    • @danielcalhoun2601
      @danielcalhoun2601 9 років тому +1

      ***** I think your on to something...

    • @reference2me
      @reference2me 9 років тому

      Daniel Calhoun Man as God ... beautiful ... that is something to fear ... Let's hope Computers will be running the world soon ... Computers don't have emotions ... at least not yet

    • @neoxalucard3206
      @neoxalucard3206 9 років тому +1

      reference2me lol what? Computers do have emotions, my computer hates me... :(

  • @nathanmckenzie904
    @nathanmckenzie904 8 років тому +6

    Science bitches.. IT WORKS

  • @DavidW59
    @DavidW59 10 років тому

    Thank you Thank you Thank you!

  • @BroadwayPhoenix
    @BroadwayPhoenix 10 років тому

    Thank you.