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East Austria (territory of austria occupied by the ussr after WW2 like east germany) Armenian Protectorate (propsed by the British in WW1 if i remember right) Crimea (maybe it counts because they had there independence "referendum" in 2014) German Potectorate of Livonia (it even was on the Brest-Litovsk Treaty but still it never existed, so it could also be seen as an proposed state that didnt happen)
One more Jewish resettlement plan was the Slattery report. It was a proposal by the U.S. Department of the Interior to resettle European Jews fleeing the Nazis in Alaska. It would both be a safe haven for Jews and also, for the Americans, populate and develope the then still underdeveloped territory. If I remember of all the places listed only 3 towns supported the idea. Wasn't a Jewish state but I felt it was worth mentioning.
i find it kinda funny how the US has proposed multiple different peoples to be relocated to alaska, another example of this aside from the jews was a plan called Operation Alaska, which would relocate Finnish people to Alaska if the USSR invaded again.
There's a very good alternate history novel called "The Yiddish Policeman's Union" by Michael Chabon set in an alternate timeline where this scenario becomes reality.
Alaska is still very empty and undeveloped today. The only sizable settled areas are the south-central coast around Anchorage, and the southeastern Panhandle.
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I wonder what it means then if it's not about an actual new independent country, I mean, what would prevent those Jews from relocating to anywhere else in the US right away
Insane how they literally thought they could give away one of so many countries belonging to other people. Makes you realise this isn’t a just an Arab or Muslim issue. The ‘conflict’ would’ve happened in which ever place that was chosen to be Israel.
Yeah.. it's sad... It really goes to show that exiled people, would never be welcomed when trying to return home. There is always someone who won't be happy with someone else regaining land.
@@joeychestnut2437 Yes.. a lot were exiled, and a lot have disappeared.. the Jews still remain. You can remain exiled as long as you remember who you are, as long as your identity does not disappear, and you do not assimilate in the other countries. For example, many Palestinians are now in diaspora.. how long until they are not considered exiled anymore, and lose their right to return?
Tasmania is literally: Paradise. It is an incredibly beautiful state and island, with some of the most unique biodiversity in the world. The south west of Tasmania is encompassed in the world heritage site of South West National Park. It would be unsuitable for a massive population of any group, because of the need to protect it's natural beauty.
@@RaikoTechnologies It's only the spiders, snakes, jellyfish, crocodiles, emus, platypus, stonefish, blue ringed octopus, kangaroos and drop bears that will kill you.
Madagascar plan seems basically like Attack on titan plot, and there are many german and jewish names in the series, most prominantly; Levi Ackerman.. [Spoilers below if you haven't watched] Like the plan, The island in the series is based on madagascar and is basically ment to serve as a giant ghetto to protect the 'superior marley race', from the 'monsterous eldians' who made a pact with the devil and used it in order to 'eat innocent marleans'. Also the series's technology is literally based on WWI and WWII technology with things such as tanks, planes and cameras recently being made.
SPOILERS Absolutely, although in that case, the story is basically saying that the eldians (jews) ultimately take revenge by committing what would be a nuclear holocaust IRL? I guess its possible. It feels more like the eldians are the germans after their defeat in WWI, absolutely ravaged and isolated from sanctions and a general "fuck germany" attitude in the rest of europe. And then there's this kid that gets sick of being made fun of and beat up that wants to prove himself because he has a very sad (but kinda weird) relationship with his mom, probably didnt draw very well and the other kids laughed at his paintings and stuff. so he joins the army but they keep losing and he's like "jesus fucking christ would you guys show some goddamn motivation" and theyre like "oh wow look at this guy hes pretty charismatic maybe we actually have a chance" and then they start doing really well and then the guy goes "we need to absolutely annihilate the people that did this to us" and so he summons a bunch of giants out of walls and literally crushes them. Eren Yeagar is Hitler. 100%
Cute comparison. Actually the true similarity is how Germans, just like Eldians, are a conquered people that are being lied to about their past by indoctrinating them with fabrications so they have to feel eternally sorry for their history full of so called sins. Marley is the American-Israeli hedgemony that we are living under right now, and the titan powers are simply our gifts that are being subdued with the poison of postww2 modern dystopia. I hope you can imagine how orgasmic Erens rumbling is in that context :)
Fun fact: the "Uganda Scheme" is mentioned in Israel's history books. History teachers tackle their students with: "What if?" and "Give me 3 reasons in favor of the scheme and 3 against.", etc.
@@Enceladus2106 It seems that you are part of the people that enjoys using words and implying they have different meanings from their true ones. And by the way, that specific option was turned down precisely because the locals weren't in favor of it, other than the fact that Jews have literally zero connection to that land, and that I would've only been a temporary place for jews to not be *actually ethnically cleansed* in Europe. But go on, you're clearly solving all the issues of the middle east with your delusional comments.
I believe in 1946 Ho Chi Minh and David Ben Gurion randomly met in Paris while each on their own business, and the former suggested giving land for the Jewish state in Vietnam, in case the whole Holy Land thing didn't work out. It was just a random remark, not a fully-formed plan, but I often think what the world would be like if it happened.
@AlonsoMondaca-lt7nd That he was patriotic means he was a nationalist. Not according to me, according to the American philosophy at the time. My tone was one of reconciliation, how each side viewed the other. Okay, I admit I believe Communism generally doesn't work, but Ho Chi Minh was trying to build a nation, a united nation of similar but not quite the same peoples from the wreckage of French colonialism. Thus, I say he was a nationalist.
@@TheBoyer19 I’m not actually, the Sahara desert is an uninhabitable area that no one lives in, but I can see where your mind is going, like how the nazis didn’t thing of it (I’m a Jew btw)
I’m Tasmanian and have heard of the South West Israeli homeland plan. In those days the amount of infrastructure that would’ve been needed in what was then known as the “empty quarter” would be enormous! Still today it is uninhabited, rugged, very wet and World Heritage listed wilderness.
Tasmania is incredible. It remained untouched for many years, the fauna and flora you have there is like no where else and very unique. it should stay like this and should be very protected.
@@ilyaIvanov_personal we frequently have wallabies and wombats roam our cities, and barely 5-10 minutes drive outside it you see smaller animals, possums even tiger quolls. Just think how much native wildlife would be destroyed in the deep west southwest if it was converted to cities...
I'm a Judaic Studies major in my university. I found this video to be informative and interesting, filling out further historical context that I had not previously heard! Thanks for being informative, neutral, and cognitive of the topic
I recommend you check out my comment re: the Hasmonean Kingdom. Other commentators here have pointed out that there were a number of autonomous Jewish entities that existed in Arabia, and elsewhere throughout history. If even we know about this, and this presentation doesn't, I wouldn't put much store in this presentation for accuracy of information.
Take your head out of where the sun don't shine & HaShem resides in. What they teach you in your yeshiva & local friendly brothel synagogues is inaccurate vis-a-vis the true location of historic israel to justify stealing the land of others. ONLY in judaism thievery is a religious act.
@@lenninho5113 there's a comprehensive list under the Association for Judaic Studies website showing what colleges and uni's worldwide have affiliated programs. In my area, University of Washington, Portland State University, and Oregon State University all have Judaic Studies programs.
You forgot about the Kimberly plan. A proposal to establish a Jewish state in Northern Australia in a relatively lightly populated region. The Australian government rejected it.
@@camvacations-2067how dare people not give Jews their land😡. The treatment of Palestinians by Israel and their ethnic cleansing shows why those governments rejected such an idea.
@@Chadconfirmed because they literally stole and are currently occupying all of historic palestine and subjugated an entire group and exiled over 80% of them, never to return again. what do you expect?
It’s not over bro, that why they devilish ediamin dada, and they have dealt with Kenya and even put their own government in Ethiopia, . As they’re said on media they will come after east Africa once they finish with gaza😅😊
Patagonia was also mentioned by Theodore Hertzl. The idea of having a country with to coasts from Chile and Argentina and the control of the antartic ocean and claimes for Antartica in the future. Also, this was used to be called in Argentina and Chile as ¨Plan Andinia¨.
Hoy se sabe que el Plan Andinia nunca existió. Herlz mencionó al pasar las colonias judías en Santa Fe y en Entre Ríos el barón Hirsch, pero consideró que no respondían a su idea de un hogar nacional judío. / The Andinia Plan never existed. Herlz mentioned in passing the Jewish colonies established by Baron Hirsch, but considered that they did not correspond to his idea of a Jewish national home.
@@Comment-m8xtoday latin americans are some of the biggest supporters of israel imagine if they were instead of Palestine they would have been crying lol
@@gustavorubenbessolo2569 Gustavo, para tu informacion el Plan Andina si existio pero no como algo definitivo. Se sabe muy bien de las grandes inversiones de familias judias prominentes como la de los Rothshild, Hirsh entre otros muchas familias que compraron grandes terrenos en la Argentina. La gran imigracion de grupos de Judios mas que todo en la region Patagonica de la Argentina. El negar esto es simplemente una falacia. Argentina fue mas que todo lo que se caracteriza el plan D de los Zionistas. O sea, no el plan A, B o C, si todo falla Suramerica seria un estado de ocupacion Israelita. Como es posible que niegues lo que se menciono en la primera convencion del Zionismo? Por que si quiera mencionar Uganda o Argentina si no fuesen como planes? Para evitar el anti-semitismo se dise que estos no fueron hechos verdaderos, pero lamentandolo mucho lo fueron. Preguntatate a ti ismo donde esta la mayor Diaspora de Palestinos fuera de Palestina? En Chile, el pais al lado de Argentina y seguramente tambien hubiese sido afectado por la irresponsabilidad de los gestores del Zionismo. Acaso tu crees que Chile promovio la llegada de tanta gente de origen Arabe a sus tierras por su buena voluntad? No fue asi, Chile es un pais muy Catolico (en ese entonces) que como todo pais de tal fe no acepta facilmente otras religiones. Se hizo para evitar la llegada de Judios en masa comprando territorios y desplazamiento de habitantes Chilenos de sus tierras asi como ocurrio cuando Los Ingleses permitieron a los Judios Europeos emigrar en masa a Palestina o cuando empezaron a llegar tantos Judios a la Argentina. Estas negando la verdad, no es ninguna casualidad que las comunidades Judias de Chile sean tan minimas comparadas con las de Argentina. El anti-semitismo se tiene que evitar pero, en este caso lamentandolo mucho el poco anti-semitismo que queda en la region de Suramerica es legado de el mismo Zeonismo. Le guste a quien le guste esta fue una realidad que fue dada en marcha y no llego a su meta. Si Israel hubiese determinado tomar a Argentina y parte de Chile, hoy seria esa region sufriendo lo que sufren los Palestinos con la excepcion de que los Suramericanos hubiesen peleado de manera mas ferrea y el anti-semitismo se hubiese propagado a todas las Americas.
Pretty fascinating! I was familiar with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia, and I knew there were other propositions for Jewish settlement, but I never looked much into it.
Ararat was interesting to learn of. It kind of reminded me of one of those Utopian colonies that started popping up around New England and the Great Lakes region in the U.S. back in the 19th Century.
There are way more... From Morrocco, Sinai, Cyprus, North-West Australia (Kimberly), Argentina... Even Ho-Chi Minn offered for the pre-Israeli government to make an autonomous government-in-exile in North Vietnam.
Fun fact about the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia: It is only less than 1% Jewish. This makes me wonder -- if Russia is the country with the 7th largest Jewish population, where in Russia are they even?? *EDIT:* NVM the video addressed this.
@@kingace6186 At the Western part in big cities - where most of the population are and not in the Middle of Siberia like the JAO... The plan of the JAO was first and foremost antisemitism. It was to separate the Jews from the rest of the population in a small isolated far away area.
Can you please explain why this plan came from the Polish? Madakascar was a death camp for Europeans and of course European Jews with malaria, plague, cholera, dengue fever etc. At that time. If the Germans had still spearheaded the sea routes, it would have meant the end.
A not so fun but interesting fact, I'm born and raised in Britain. But my Father is Palestinian and he legitimately thought that the Holocaust was Jewish Propaganda to get Arabs to sympathise with the Jews/Israelis, he now doesn't think this. But it took a full blown first hand account from my Grandad who fought in the war, lost a brother in said war and was fighting in Italy for most of it and saw the after effects of the camps. This was in the 80s, but it still amazes me how fucked up that situation would be and how that was probably a very, very bad day for all those involved.
@@Thel1ghtner At this point of time the area of which Palestine/Isreal exists was under the British I believe so they would’ve likely had to fight for Britain for the Italian campaign
@@quadratusoftheequilibrium5213 ok, but there were no concentration camps in Italy for Jewish people, so how did the Grandad's testimony contribute to the argument?
@@Thel1ghtner There was still fighting with Germany even after Italy was done. He could've been sent over the alps to Austria, Or perhaps further into Germany before the war ended.
What's amazing is how the Eurapean Powers constantly decided that the Jews could settle in lands where the natives are not given a say on the matter as well. They don't seem to want to find a solution within Europe itself even though that's where the problems are. They'd rather make it a different people's problem. It's no wonder as to why even Israel is so controversial today, especially by the imidiate neighbours. The British really didn't care and botched the situation so hard and with the worst part being that there is probably no going back.
It forms an english pattern to disfigure kands to their aims. By their policies they destroyed irish and scottish lands, language and religion, leving those countries depopulated with an esteanged population. Their numbers never recovered after being driven out.
@libertycommentator You'd have to be a nut case to think that Zionist Jews today are in ANY way native to a land with which the only link they have is an ancestor *centuries, if not more than a Melinnia ago in the past* . Zionist Jews do not have the same right to the land nor are the same as the Jews who have been there since the beginning or reimmigrated and assimilated into the larger society of the land anytime during the past. And no, those Jews can not simply share those rights with Zionist Jews and allow them colonise the region with murder and displacement of other equally native people of the land. Also, what about the Jews who have always been there but instead simply converted to Islam or Christianity from throughout the years?
@@libertycommentatorBy your logic the British should have their empire back since they once owned it, the Natives of the US should have the entire continent to themselves and the Americans leave Europe. By your logic the world is owned by Sri Lanka the 1st place Humans were. Also Muslims didn’t conquer Jerusalem it was the Roman Empire 1st and the Muslims fought the Romans not the Jewish Kingdom get your facts right. Also that doesn’t matter how does having a historical claim to a land give you the right to ethnically cleanse the innocent Arab Palestinians in the lands majority being Children? Get your facts right
You state that there wasn't a Jewish state from after the kingdom split, but there was the hasmonean kingdom during the middle of the second temple era, which was totally independent for about 80 years! With no Greek or Roman control.
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@@astudentthatwantstolearn I will try... The original poster @Yothi tweeling never said his video was respectful he said the video was informative. He sarcastically said that the comment section would be respectful. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding this video it is not respectful or disrespectful of anything. It's just information: Here is where the Kingdom of Israel used to be Here is where the country of Israel is today Here are eight places where someone tried to propose a Jewish state that never happened There were a few declarations made that you can say are factually incorrect but this video was just information. If I tell you that the Earth is spinning I'm not being respectful or disrespectful. I'm just stating a matter of fact the Earth is spinning.
My great grandfather was active in the movement for the creation of a Jewish state before the Holocaust. He felt that it would be impossible to create a homeland in Palestine as there were already too many people living there. His opinion was that it should instead be in Suriname.
Do proposals of a Romani state next! While I see a lot of good sources of alternate places for a Jewish state, I can’t find much about proposals of a Romani state.
@@welwitschia3756 I can't speak for the Romani community but I don't think they would want to move there. They've been living in Europe for centuries and probably have significantly more in common with neighbouring Europeans than they do to people in South Asia. It would be as strange as convincing English people to move to Anglia and Saxony in Germany
@Sir-Cheezy Mcweezy Not all that strange considering Europe and Asia share a land border, and that the two regions have had trade relations for thousands of years. There's always been migration between places throughout history. Just for fun, I will list some groups of people you might be surprised to learn about: - The Kalmyks of Kalmykia, Russia are of Mongolian origin and are the only Buddhist ethnic group native to Europe - The Gagauz people are a Turkic speaking, Orthodox ethnic group native to Moldova - The Syriac Christians of India, a sizeable minority in the state of Kerala, are one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, with Thomas the Apostle arriving there in the 1st century CE - Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are all Finno-ugric languages originating in Siberia, unlike most of Europe which speaks Indo-European languages - The earliest Malagasy, the native people of Madagascar, are believed to have arrived from Southeast Asia rather than neighbouring Africa
@Sir-Cheezy Mcweezy I heard they came as slaves to the Balkans, and the Balkan people thought they came from Egypt. So the theory that the Romani came from Egypt was born!
An alt-history scenario that I think is kind of interesting is what if after WW2, instead of Palestine, the Jewish people had been given East Prussia as a new homeland? There's so many things to consider with that scenario. What would they do during the Cold War? What would happen if Russia didn't have Kaliningrad?
Same thing with the Book Judenstaat where Saxony becomes a Jewish State, although the Native Germans dont appreciate the ethnic cleansing and would most likely mean Germans not forgetting about the Genocides against them post WW2 and a far more right wing Germany
I always thought it would have been interesting is Stalin made East Prussia a Jewish state within the Soviet Union as an alternative to the unpopular JAO and a reparation for the holocaust (which the west wasn’t fully in board with accepting yet) and then they voted for independence in 91 and joined the EU with the Baltic’s in 94, it would be a mixed dialect Yiddish & Russian speaking state mostly I assume with both official languages until present
Yeah I think that would be a really interesting alt-history scenario. Not only in how it would effect Europe but also the Middle East if the state of Israel wasn't established.
This is something I thought off and would have arguably made some sense. Given that Germany was the Country that did harm to them henceforth secede Konigsberg to the Jewish people than Palestine were the people did nothing to the Jews but were punished regardless. However, they'll probably be some issues but it probably would have been resolved to this day as opposed to what we have.
It was occupied by Italy during WW2, but it wasn’t owned/colonised by Italy. Basically Ethiopia was in the same situation as like The Netherlands, it still existed in exile, Dutch resistance was still actively fighting the Nazis, the Nazis never integrated the territory, and it was quickly reclaimed by the Netherlands after WW2
What I am going to mention here is something I saw on TV only once, during the the late 1970s or early 80s. Maybe somebody else might remember it. In the late 1940s, when the re-establishment of Israel was being discussed, a very prominent Arab, I forget whom, when told of the Holocaust, said "Germany committed a terrible crime!!!! Let Germany pay for it!!!!! Germany should be made to give a large part of its territory to the Jews!!!! The Jews will have a safe and secure homeland of their own then!!!!" But no one listened to him.
When I was at school in the 1980s in Germany I come up with the idea that after WW II Berlin and Brandenburg (part of the old Prussia and centre of colonial and NS-Power) should have been given to the Jewish people, like other parts of Germany had to be handed over to Poland and the then Sovietunion. My teacher called me out for such e crazy idea.
It's crazy to think about all of the proposed states of Israel. Some wacky; others not so much. Also, I found that map of the Jewish Diaspora (0:05) very informative and in some ways surprising.
@@negationf6973 There are various and significantly different numbers because the intermarriage rate of Jews in the US is very high, some surveys count those who are half Jewish as well, some only count those who are fully Jewish, some even count those who are eligible for Israeli citizenship (1 Jewish grandparent) so you can have one estimate say there are 5 million, one estimate say there are 7 million and some estimate even say there are 10 million. It depends on how it is counted
The map of the diaspora is missing communities in North Africa and East of Israel, like Yemen. It was a little unclear to me when the map was referring to, but while it was informative, it really should have been provided alongside another one of other locations in time. A small number of Jews actually managed to stay in the Land of Israel, largely in the northern city of Tzfat and similar religious remote areas.
Great video but please check and possibly fix: A jewish state in the 2nd to 1st century in the same location - had strong ties to Hellenic world (after a successful rebellion by Judeh the Maccabi), and later Rome but independent and actually quite aggressive and conquering, continued to exist until middle 1st century under Roman 'protectorate', Had kings like Johanan Horkenus, Aristoteblus, queen Shlomzion and others.
Kind of strange that he missed that since it was the country Jesus was born in and is pretty common knowledge throughout the Western world. Sounds like he's just not familiar with Jewish history.
Yeah at 2:06 he says "no other specifically Jewish state had existed since that time"... He used the Bible as a reference so it does seem odd that this "state" was skipped. IDK what he used as a qualifier but having your own government generally makes you your own "State" whether it be Kingdom, Empire, Republic, Caliphate or anything else.
@@jtarsh That's a hardline view. I think the video should be reposted with the correction in place. I don't know if the poster is an actual historian or just a content creator but he's not omnipotent. These videos are literally about everything geographical or historical there's no way he can know everything about everything.
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This was extremely interesting as I knew about the British proposal in Uganda and the autonomous area in the Soviet Union, but never knew anything at all about the other options. The Grand Island, New York idea was something I found intriguing as I'm originally from Rochester, New York, a short 2 hour drive from that area.
More like the Soviet/Russian Far East, which is about as bad as Siberia, yet is near Communist-occupied Mainland China and North Korea; territories occupied by Imperial Japan until V-J Day in 1945.
I mean that's one of the best option given the fact that there wasn't so much natives on this lands. Also I think that the soviets knew what they we're doing, the jews being a people of trading since a long time, having their skills on the sino-russian border could have been a clever idea.
Great vid, I was a little surprised that Aregentina wasn't in the vid, though. Theodor Hertzl also proposed Argentina as a Jewish state location in Der Judenstaat, before working on the Uganda plan (1896 to be exact).
The Australia one is the best of out of all of them including today Jewish state idea. Its the only place I can think of where dispute and fight won't happen.
You made a mostake at 2:08. After the Macabian revolt there was an established 2nd kingdom of Judea which lasted until 41CE, and then there was the Judean republic of 66CE and the various jewish revolts until the 7th Century
@@TheSunMoon The British did not ""help to establish a Jewish state"", the Balfour declaration was de facto as worthless as any other ""promises"" of the British empire to it's colonial subject. (Not to mention that "safe homeland" is absolutely not independent sovereign state". The British prevented hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees to reach Palestine and put them in detention camps. Most of the Jews escaped to there illegally against the British rule. The British were allowed Jews to live only in very small and certain undeveloped areas. The Jews literally directly fought against the British rule... The UK didn't even voted for the partition plan, so for an independent Israel? *ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY JEWS. PERIOD.* (As well as minority of Arabs and Druze).
Why didn't Brits and other colonial powers did not seek to create one in Europe? Made sense since most Jews in modern-day and age are of European origin.
I’m sure the comments on this video are going to be completely rational and respectful of each other’s opinions, the internet is such a wonderful Place 😆
From what I heard about the Fugu Plan, the main reasoning was weaken Chinese trade influence by having somebody friendly to them do commercial activities instead plus they'd likely have ties to other countries economically. From an amoral perspective, the idea wasn't bad but never got to a serious planning stage. It was basically no more than one of many policy proposals to stay in control in Manchuria.
You ride for ethnic cleansing dude , no plan is okay,,, so many ethnogroup doesn't have land like Kurds , and they are under any other one ruling,, so the idea itself is inapplicable,,, instead create more laws to protect everyone and try to make everyone equal
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There's a good alternative-history novel, The Yiddish Policemen's Union (2007), that, quoting Wikipedia, "...is a detective story set in an alternative history version of the present day, based on the premise that during World War II, a temporary settlement for Jewish refugees was established in Sitka, Alaska, in 1941, and that the fledgling State of Israel was destroyed in 1948. The novel is set in Sitka, which it depicts as a large, Yiddish-speaking metropolis." It won the Hugo and the Nebula, the two most prestigious science fiction awards.
I like the variety with this video, only thing I might add would be the suggested settlement of the Jewish people in Patagonia and around the southern end of South America
I think the Prussian territory of Koninsberg or Kalinigrad before partition would have been an apt compensation considering Germanys direct involvement and getting the heart of Prussia. Most likely this would have been a Jewish Soviet Republic which later resembles the Baltic states post 1991.
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Amara being jewish is something I learned from eu4 with it representing the only jewish province in the game still very cool to hear it still having to some extent jewish representation to this day
The title "Amara" has existed in East Africa for thousands of years. Before missionaries and specifically Germans made Ethiopians "Amhara" The name existed in Uganda and western Kenya for the only priests who were known as "Chwezi" or "Bairu/Habairu" In ancient Buganda, they were know for offering sacrifices on hills in a ritual called "Ovwiri or Vweru" They also had special drum called ngoma that had four protuding handles for four men to carry. The name survived until it disappeared in 1900s but still, there are so many groups who still call themselves "Amara" or Mara or Maracoli in East Africa or Uganda.
Unfortunately, after the socialists took power, most of what was left of those Jews fled to Israel along with many christians claiming to be Jews (which in Ethiopia isn't too much of a stretch as their Christianity came out of their Judaism)
@@maragolihistory2118 I agree with you, I will ignore the fact that no one asked for explanation for the name amara, but I will add and say that the language of the Ethiopians called Amhara. Also, Ethiopians are not really the ethnic group, they are actually the citizens of Ethiopia. There are a lot of ethnic groups inside Ethiopia that makes that country so diverse and multi ethnical, such as the Somalis, the Oromo people, the Amhara people and more.
@@niross819 Cool, l was just explaining the significance part of the name, and yes no one asked me to explain. But as a person from Kenya, and one who knows how important that name "Amhara or Amara or Mara" means to those who knew Chwezi priesthood and it's importance.... Ask any Ethiopians if they don't know what happened to the German Kraft, who would still come to Kenya to name our country and the tallest mountain after being kicked out from Ethiopia??? Now ask Kenyans and Ugandans about the war between Sir Burton and sir John Hanington Speke??? Infact because of "Amara," the name, sir John Hanington Speke was A-s-s-a-s-s-i-n-a-ted by the British Royal Geography Society. But fortunately, today, Mara remains a major tourist region In Kenya for Europeans billionaires while the name hides huge history behind it. That's all I'm saying.
Im from Grand Island! We were taught some of that history way back in 4th grade! The only thing I recall being differemt was that they attempted to establish a settlement but a horrible winter that year made them leave. Not too surprising if you know anything about Buffalo's weather, tho we rarely get those horrendous storms in the north towns
I genuinely had no idea most of these proposals existed. Although I did know the Nazis planned to ship all undesirables to Australia once the war was over or Australia was conquered.
@@dmax9946 I knew that the Brits were transporting people to the West Indies in the 1700''s But I am not surprised that even as early as the 1700's they were trans- porting people to Australia. They also transported prisoners to the American Colonies. During Colonial times what roads existed in the more populated areas of the American Colonies were notoriously unsafe because of the escaped prisoners who had left their temporary owners (i.e. the people who had paid for their transport at an auction block in the Colonies) The Colonial authorities did not have the funds to hire deputies to hunt them down. The British troops stationed there were mostly infantry and trained only for European-style fighting. Anyhow, the Frontier and near-frontier (very sparsely populated areas) were so close that a skilled horseman could slip into "Indian Country" easily. The Frontier and occasionally the near-frontier were subject to raids as well as to small groups of wandering displaced Natives who were beggars.
On 6:31 you've circled the wrong area. The Jews were to be resettled in Uasin Gishu, which is in present day Kenya, a huge distance East of the circle. When dealing with East African history, you have to remember that Kenya as a national name only begins to exist in the 1910s, so alot of present day Kenyan territory is named under Uganda. A good example of this is the 1906 Uganda railway being named so, despite most of it spreading between Mombasa and Kisumu, which is Kenyan land. You can actually tell the time period when certain books were written, depending on if they refer to it as "Uganda railway" or " Kenya - Uganda railway".
@afckajjansi what I meant is, the region circled is present day Uganda, but the region for Jewish resettlement is Uasin Gishu, currently present day Kenya, but in the 1890s was considered Ugandan. Meaning that the circle is wrongly located.
@@michibosire5000which makes it Uganda, doesn't it? It was literally called the Uganda scheme. What's your argument? The British should return Ugandan land to Uganda maybe lol. That makes Kenya smaller and share 0% of Lake Victoria. Uganda has more Gushi land than Kenya and almost all Gishu tribe live on the Ugandan side. Lastly, they weren't just gonna be in gishu, it was mostly the area on the border of Uganda and Kenya. Far eastern Uganda and present day far Western Kenya which was then in Uganda. Anyways, no one gives a crap as (thankfully)it didn't follow through and they don't belong there. I mean if they couldn't accept their brothers in Ethiopia (much bigger Jewish community) bc they're much darker. What makes you think they'd get along with a few Jewish people in eastern Uganda who are 5x darker than the Ethiopian jews?😂 And Amin would've had them for dinner 30 years down the road 😂.
They love to hide that part, they would rather use "Uganda" because if people ever discover that in real sense it was western Kenya where both Ottoman's, Omanis sultans, Ethiopians And Balfour wanted to all establish a Yahud kingdom and that this region has historical significance, it will blow people's mind.
There was a proposal to establish a Jewish homeland in the Sinai Desert. There was also a second proposal for Australia, in which a Jewish homeland would have been established along the north coast of the continent.
Fun fact - Madagasakar was idea of French government in 1930ties. They proposed that Poland would take over Madagaskar and help moving Jews there. Even expedition was send with Polish and Jewish scientists. But idea got scrapped due to protests.
You omitted the actual Jewish state of the Hasmonean Kingdom. It ruled over Judaea, the Galilee, the philistine coastal plain, and much of the Transjordan including the Golan heights
You forgot Argentina. That was a very famous one, and has lots of online sources and stories. And yes, most of these options would certainly have been more viable options than one where indigenous communities have been under all kinds of active persecution and apartheid for 75 years.
This documentary totally misses the one most important fact, namely that Jerusalem, Judea, and Sumeria comprised the the historic ancestral homeland of the Jews for three millenia. There was no other piece of real estate on the planet to locate the State of Israel. It makes absolutely no logical sense. The founders of the modern Zionist movement thoroughly debated the Ugandan alternative, and rejected it for the obvious reason that the Jews of the Diaspora clearly had no cultural, religious, or legal claim to East Africa, or any other place for that matter.
Coming back to this because it feels very relevant right now. Feel like they may have been best off creating a state where there wasn’t an existing state simply on ground that a Jewish state existed there 2700+ years prior.
Not to get too deep in it, the relationship between the two people would most definitely depend on first interactions, and whether the British would trying to force the groups against each other
I don't understand why people still believe that the Jewish people are a race. It has been thousands of years, and millions of people that were not Jewish have become Jewish and mixed in and so, they are just a religious group. Not a race.
I can explain why the delegation sent to Uganda reported there was too many lions. The vote to establish a Jewish Homeland slimly pasts a vote in the World Zionist Congress. Upon the vote passing those who voted no to the plan stood up and sang the poem Hatikvah which would become the national anthem of Israel. The poem speaks about our home being "The Land of Zion and of Jerusalem" as well as a general yearning to return. Some of the delegates falsified elements of the report of Uganda such as the lions to essentially put the territory then known as Palestine back as the most desired and most viable territory to create a Jewish homeland. Hope this provides some clarification if anyone wondered about the lion thing :)
@@katie-st8nx it’s a long answer. Now Shocker I’m a Zionist Jew (controversial I know 🤣🤣🤣) Eretz Yisrael (Hebrew for the land of Israel) had a Jewish community called the Yishuv. The old Yishuv is the foundation of the modern Yishuv and it’s the community of Jews who lived in Israel since the time of the Second Temple’s destruction. Large scale migration can be traced back to 1492 when Beyazid II dispatched his navy to rescue Jews from Ibera following the Alhambra decree. Two rulers later when the Ottomans controlled the Levant Suleiman the magnificent undertook a project to resettle Jews in the Levant. However more in the 1800’s would Jewish communities deliberately make a large scale effort to return back to our home. Uganda was meant to be a temporary place of refuge so the communities living in Europe could flee the pogroms but also the antisemitism brewing in 1800’s Germany and France following the Dreyfus affair and racial scientists arguing we can never belong in Europe, that we’re a sub race who must go to the Levant. The Uganda plan gradually became more popular given the Ottoman Empire who controlled Eretz Yisrael During Theodor Herzel’s life wasn’t fully open to seeding territory that has cultural and religious significance to Muslims in order to reestablish a Jewish homeland. This isn’t meant to be a generalisation of Muslims but in some schools of Islam, again not all and it doesn’t mean every single Muslim believes what I’m about to claim, every Muslim is an individual with their own distinct thoughts and beliefs. But in some interpretations of Islam when a Muslim community settles in a land and builds a mosque there. The land automatically becomes Islamic till the end of time. And given Eretz Yisael has Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem as well as the Dome of the Rock. Plus Hebron has the Tomb of the patriarchs which includes Abraham’s tomb. This was turned into a mosque when Muslims began settling the territory. This partly fuels the modern conflict of Israel-Palestinian from the religious side
it is not your home it is home of the Aramaic people of Canaan you were nomadic invaders from Mesopotamia your real home is Iraq. and even that do not work because Judaism is a religion not an ethnicity.
As a fellow Ugandan, I completely disagree. Historically, every single war was started by Palestine or their allies against Israel. Peace & Love to everyone!!
This long intro is a *wild* change in video style from your usual. It's pretty well done, but it's also a lot more generic and creates a weird transition to the main video. I personally prefer your usual hand-drawn style because it is more unique and personal.
In my Grade 12 politics class, we were having a discussion about a two state vs one state solution and I proposed giving the land back to Palestinians and bringing the Jews to America. My teacher just shrugged it off as unrealistic and clearly wasn't aware of all the proposals to do exactly that. Could have at least been a learning opportunity if my teacher was better informed, but that pretty much sums up my high school experience as a whole.
Just because it was proposed historically doesn’t mean it’s remotely feasible today. No need to be so fucking condescending to people with different opinions
Os teus vídeos são legitimamente impressionantes, imagino que uma conversa sobre geopolítica e estado do mundo o seja também! Excelente trabalho! Um extra ser de um tugão! 🔥
Interesting. Though there was one more project in 1946. The Saramaccaproject. The plan was to be carried out, the Staten van Suriname (the name of the parliament back then) had already voted in favor. The Dutch government was also in favor. They'd reached written agreement on many points. For example, it was agreed that the immigrants should settle in their own villages where they would have complete religious freedom, that they should commit themselves to learning Dutch and should strive for Dutch citizenship. The only remaining point of contention, the number of Jewish immigrants, was tentatively set at 30,000, with the possibility of more to come later. (Suriname then had about 180,000 inhabitants). The 30,000 Jews would be settled in the Saramacca district, southwest of Groningen, in an area between 60 and 65 km². The cost of this plan was estimated at USD 35 million. Hans Samson, the Surinamese representative of the Freeland League, took care of the translation. Though major objections in Suriname came from the Surinamese Zionist Union. In Zionist circles, including in the US and in the Netherlands, there was strong opposition to the Freeland League's plans because they could thwart the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. The Zionists therefore exerted pressure not to let the plan go ahead. The resistance of the Nationalist Party Suriname (NPS) was of great influence in Suriname itself. This Creole party feared that mass immigration of Jews would eventually lead to political and economic domination by Jews. The objections of the Dutch government were decisive, however. In the beginning he had been positive about the plan, but after a while he turned against it. It was feared that there would be many 'Communist infiltrators' among the Jewish immigrants from Central and Eastern Europe, so that Suriname could become a communist state. In May 1948, Israel declared its independence. The new Surinamese governor, Willem Huender, then indicated in August that it had been decided to suspend the Jewish immigration plans until the international situation would clear up. Despite many attempts by the Freeland League, the plans were never seriously considered on the Dutch and Surinamese sides. However, the Saramacca project has never been officially discontinued.
there was actually multiple majority jewish states that existed including the khazrs the himyarites and i believe some independant client states in central asia
It wasn’t a proposal but there was a Jewish explorer who visited the Kimberly Region of Australia with the hope that might become the Jewish State, I believe is he also visited Victoria as well. I think there was a Proposal for a Jewish state in Canada somewhere.
The map of the Middle East was redrawn when the Ottoman Empire was dissolved following WWI. This would have been a good time to create a homeland for the Jewish people.
There are more that you didn't mentioned. Prussia offered to Ben gurion after ww2, Sinai peninsula, offered by the British and probably more that I don't remember right now.
Oooh, Tasmania would've been perfect for the Jewish state. Temperate climate, lots of land (roughly 3x more than Israel now), well-watered, very much resembles England or Western Europe. With the ingenuity of the Israelis now on full display, Tasmania could've turned into quite the little technological and financial powerhouse by 2010 or so. Yes, some of its unspoiled nature would've had to be paved over to make room for large cities. But I can't imagine that its Jewish inhabitants would've been complaining too much, living in peace and harmony in such a lovely land, with beautiful forests, mountains and rivers, and where water scarcity and Palestinians were not issues.
I loved the idea of Madagasgar or Tasmania, there are over 10 million Jewish people in the world with two big communities in America and Isrrael. There in eather of those two islands would be really safe and far away from there enemies.
*Are there any other proposals for the creation of certain countries that ended up not happening?*
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Franco-british union
EAF (most likely will happen though)
Internam
United Korea
Kurdistan
@@phill1451 True but if i remember right he already made a video about most if them. ^^
East Austria (territory of austria occupied by the ussr after WW2 like east germany)
Armenian Protectorate (propsed by the British in WW1 if i remember right)
Crimea (maybe it counts because they had there independence "referendum" in 2014)
German Potectorate of Livonia (it even was on the Brest-Litovsk Treaty but still it never existed, so it could also be seen as an proposed state that didnt happen)
Hidase Dam
United arab republic
United korea
Central asian union
Chechnya
One more Jewish resettlement plan was the Slattery report. It was a proposal by the U.S. Department of the Interior to resettle European Jews fleeing the Nazis in Alaska. It would both be a safe haven for Jews and also, for the Americans, populate and develope the then still underdeveloped territory. If I remember of all the places listed only 3 towns supported the idea. Wasn't a Jewish state but I felt it was worth mentioning.
i find it kinda funny how the US has proposed multiple different peoples to be relocated to alaska, another example of this aside from the jews was a plan called Operation Alaska, which would relocate Finnish people to Alaska if the USSR invaded again.
It would be a Jewish state, just not an independent one
There's a very good alternate history novel called "The Yiddish Policeman's Union" by Michael Chabon set in an alternate timeline where this scenario becomes reality.
Alaska is still very empty and undeveloped today. The only sizable settled areas are the south-central coast around Anchorage, and the southeastern Panhandle.
I wonder what it means then if it's not about an actual new independent country, I mean, what would prevent those Jews from relocating to anywhere else in the US right away
Insane how they literally thought they could give away one of so many countries belonging to other people. Makes you realise this isn’t a just an Arab or Muslim issue. The ‘conflict’ would’ve happened in which ever place that was chosen to be Israel.
Yeah.. it's sad... It really goes to show that exiled people, would never be welcomed when trying to return home. There is always someone who won't be happy with someone else regaining land.
@@Abilliph How long can you be exiled for? A lot of nationalities have been exiled in history.
@@joeychestnut2437 Yes.. a lot were exiled, and a lot have disappeared.. the Jews still remain.
You can remain exiled as long as you remember who you are, as long as your identity does not disappear, and you do not assimilate in the other countries.
For example, many Palestinians are now in diaspora.. how long until they are not considered exiled anymore, and lose their right to return?
@@Abilliph
Strange take.
Isnt it the jews who have exiled the palestinians in the 20th/21st Century?
@@Abilliph They have no "Right to return"
Tasmania is literally: Paradise. It is an incredibly beautiful state and island, with some of the most unique biodiversity in the world. The south west of Tasmania is encompassed in the world heritage site of South West National Park. It would be unsuitable for a massive population of any group, because of the need to protect it's natural beauty.
natural beauty is good, but australian wildlife is not 🤧
@@RaikoTechnologies It's only the spiders, snakes, jellyfish, crocodiles, emus, platypus, stonefish, blue ringed octopus, kangaroos and drop bears that will kill you.
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@@Andrew-df1dr 🤓🤓
How about fucking no. I live here. And I don't like being shot.
Madagascar plan seems basically like Attack on titan plot, and there are many german and jewish names in the series,
most prominantly; Levi Ackerman..
[Spoilers below if you haven't watched]
Like the plan, The island in the series is based on madagascar and is basically ment to serve as a giant ghetto to protect the 'superior marley race',
from the 'monsterous eldians' who made a pact with the devil and used it in order to 'eat innocent marleans'.
Also the series's technology is literally based on WWI and WWII technology with things such as tanks, planes and cameras recently being made.
Daaaaaamm
SPOILERS
Absolutely, although in that case, the story is basically saying that the eldians (jews) ultimately take revenge by committing what would be a nuclear holocaust IRL? I guess its possible.
It feels more like the eldians are the germans after their defeat in WWI, absolutely ravaged and isolated from sanctions and a general "fuck germany" attitude in the rest of europe.
And then there's this kid that gets sick of being made fun of and beat up that wants to prove himself because he has a very sad (but kinda weird) relationship with his mom, probably didnt draw very well and the other kids laughed at his paintings and stuff. so he joins the army but they keep losing and he's like "jesus fucking christ would you guys show some goddamn motivation" and theyre like "oh wow look at this guy hes pretty charismatic maybe we actually have a chance" and then they start doing really well and then the guy goes "we need to absolutely annihilate the people that did this to us" and so he summons a bunch of giants out of walls and literally crushes them.
Eren Yeagar is Hitler. 100%
Cute comparison. Actually the true similarity is how Germans, just like Eldians, are a conquered people that are being lied to about their past by indoctrinating them with fabrications so they have to feel eternally sorry for their history full of so called sins. Marley is the American-Israeli hedgemony that we are living under right now, and the titan powers are simply our gifts that are being subdued with the poison of postww2 modern dystopia. I hope you can imagine how orgasmic Erens rumbling is in that context :)
Fun fact: the "Uganda Scheme" is mentioned in Israel's history books. History teachers tackle their students with: "What if?" and "Give me 3 reasons in favor of the scheme and 3 against.", etc.
In favor: Nothing
Against: Everything
In favor: Not surrounded by desert
Against: Too many lions
In favor - far from arabs
So that's how we survived
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It seems that you are part of the people that enjoys using words and implying they have different meanings from their true ones.
And by the way, that specific option was turned down precisely because the locals weren't in favor of it, other than the fact that Jews have literally zero connection to that land, and that I would've only been a temporary place for jews to not be *actually ethnically cleansed* in Europe.
But go on, you're clearly solving all the issues of the middle east with your delusional comments.
I believe in 1946 Ho Chi Minh and David Ben Gurion randomly met in Paris while each on their own business, and the former suggested giving land for the Jewish state in Vietnam, in case the whole Holy Land thing didn't work out. It was just a random remark, not a fully-formed plan, but I often think what the world would be like if it happened.
The Jewish Vietnam War against the USA
Jewish Vietnam War?
Ho Chi Minh, whatever his Communistic faults, was a Nationalist. He would have been sympathetic, therefore, to Jewish desires for a nation-state.
@AlonsoMondaca-lt7nd That he was patriotic means he was a nationalist.
Not according to me, according to the American philosophy at the time. My tone was one of reconciliation, how each side viewed the other.
Okay, I admit I believe Communism generally doesn't work, but Ho Chi Minh was trying to build a nation, a united nation of similar but not quite the same peoples from the wreckage of French colonialism. Thus, I say he was a nationalist.
As a vietnamese, i would hate to fight the jews if it happened
It amuses me that these proposals are always within the most remote or barren locations.
Yep no country wants to give their land for these people, so they forced themselves to the holy land
Thats because not many people live there to debate it.
Im surprised no one ever proposed the Sahara
@@TheBoyer19 I’m not actually, the Sahara desert is an uninhabitable area that no one lives in, but I can see where your mind is going, like how the nazis didn’t thing of it (I’m a Jew btw)
Because it would cause the least amount of disruption as possible. Like idk some intifadas etc
I’m Tasmanian and have heard of the South West Israeli homeland plan. In those days the amount of infrastructure that would’ve been needed in what was then known as the “empty quarter” would be enormous! Still today it is uninhabited, rugged, very wet and World Heritage listed wilderness.
I was there half a year ago. Its beautiful! I couldnt imagine destroying the amazing landscape there for citys and streets..
I'm tasmanian also, in huonville, and I cannot imagine our midlands being turned into highways, so much for the stadium am I right?
Tasmania is incredible. It remained untouched for many years, the fauna and flora you have there is like no where else and very unique. it should stay like this and should be very protected.
@@ilyaIvanov_personal we frequently have wallabies and wombats roam our cities, and barely 5-10 minutes drive outside it you see smaller animals, possums even tiger quolls.
Just think how much native wildlife would be destroyed in the deep west southwest if it was converted to cities...
@@alexanderwoolley1623 I went to kindergarten in Huonville when I lived in Lower Longley in the 70s. I support the stadium though.
I'm a Judaic Studies major in my university. I found this video to be informative and interesting, filling out further historical context that I had not previously heard! Thanks for being informative, neutral, and cognitive of the topic
what uni do you go to that offers that class? i’d love to take it
I recommend you check out my comment re: the Hasmonean Kingdom. Other commentators here have pointed out that there were a number of autonomous Jewish entities that existed in Arabia, and elsewhere throughout history. If even we know about this, and this presentation doesn't, I wouldn't put much store in this presentation for accuracy of information.
Take your head out of where the sun don't shine & HaShem resides in. What they teach you in your yeshiva & local friendly brothel synagogues is inaccurate vis-a-vis the true location of historic israel to justify stealing the land of others. ONLY in judaism thievery is a religious act.
@@swejrekcuf5329 what rant are you going on about?
@@lenninho5113 there's a comprehensive list under the Association for Judaic Studies website showing what colleges and uni's worldwide have affiliated programs. In my area, University of Washington, Portland State University, and Oregon State University all have Judaic Studies programs.
You forgot about the Kimberly plan. A proposal to establish a Jewish state in Northern Australia in a relatively lightly populated region. The Australian government rejected it.
These are some proposals.
Australian antisemitism!
@@camvacations-2067how dare people not give Jews their land😡.
The treatment of Palestinians by Israel and their ethnic cleansing shows why those governments rejected such an idea.
That area of Australia is very resource rich no way they would give that away
Sadly palestinian wasn't able to refuse or accept
This is the calmest comment section on a video about Israel that I have ever seen 💀
fr 💀
the I word!!!! the I word!!!!!!!!!!
Its always calm until some random pro Palestinians comes up saying stuff
@@Chadconfirmed or some random pro Israeli say stuff
@@Chadconfirmed because they literally stole and are currently occupying all of historic palestine and subjugated an entire group and exiled over 80% of them, never to return again. what do you expect?
As a Ugandan I’m glad they weren’t placed on our territory. That’s our territory not theirs
The Chinese will take it, don't worry.
u are lucky
I am sure then you understand why it as not fair to the Palestinians too.
Thanks God for your beautiful country to stay alive dude, sadly Palestinians wasn't that lucky 😢❤
It’s not over bro, that why they devilish ediamin dada, and they have dealt with Kenya and even put their own government in Ethiopia, . As they’re said on media they will come after east Africa once they finish with gaza😅😊
Patagonia was also mentioned by Theodore Hertzl. The idea of having a country with to coasts from Chile and Argentina and the control of the antartic ocean and claimes for Antartica in the future. Also, this was used to be called in Argentina and Chile as ¨Plan Andinia¨.
Hoy se sabe que el Plan Andinia nunca existió. Herlz mencionó al pasar las colonias judías en Santa Fe y en Entre Ríos el barón Hirsch, pero consideró que no respondían a su idea de un hogar nacional judío. / The Andinia Plan never existed. Herlz mentioned in passing the Jewish colonies established by Baron Hirsch, but considered that they did not correspond to his idea of a Jewish national home.
Chilian and Argentinan people are so lucky
We dodged a fucking bullet then.
@@Comment-m8xtoday latin americans are some of the biggest supporters of israel imagine if they were instead of Palestine they would have been crying lol
@@gustavorubenbessolo2569 Gustavo, para tu informacion el Plan Andina si existio pero no como algo definitivo. Se sabe muy bien de las grandes inversiones de familias judias prominentes como la de los Rothshild, Hirsh entre otros muchas familias que compraron grandes terrenos en la Argentina. La gran imigracion de grupos de Judios mas que todo en la region Patagonica de la Argentina. El negar esto es simplemente una falacia. Argentina fue mas que todo lo que se caracteriza el plan D de los Zionistas. O sea, no el plan A, B o C, si todo falla Suramerica seria un estado de ocupacion Israelita.
Como es posible que niegues lo que se menciono en la primera convencion del Zionismo? Por que si quiera mencionar Uganda o Argentina si no fuesen como planes? Para evitar el anti-semitismo se dise que estos no fueron hechos verdaderos, pero lamentandolo mucho lo fueron.
Preguntatate a ti ismo donde esta la mayor Diaspora de Palestinos fuera de Palestina? En Chile, el pais al lado de Argentina y seguramente tambien hubiese sido afectado por la irresponsabilidad de los gestores del Zionismo. Acaso tu crees que Chile promovio la llegada de tanta gente de origen Arabe a sus tierras por su buena voluntad? No fue asi, Chile es un pais muy Catolico (en ese entonces) que como todo pais de tal fe no acepta facilmente otras religiones. Se hizo para evitar la llegada de Judios en masa comprando territorios y desplazamiento de habitantes Chilenos de sus tierras asi como ocurrio cuando Los Ingleses permitieron a los Judios Europeos emigrar en masa a Palestina o cuando empezaron a llegar tantos Judios a la Argentina. Estas negando la verdad, no es ninguna casualidad que las comunidades Judias de Chile sean tan minimas comparadas con las de Argentina.
El anti-semitismo se tiene que evitar pero, en este caso lamentandolo mucho el poco anti-semitismo que queda en la region de Suramerica es legado de el mismo Zeonismo. Le guste a quien le guste esta fue una realidad que fue dada en marcha y no llego a su meta. Si Israel hubiese determinado tomar a Argentina y parte de Chile, hoy seria esa region sufriendo lo que sufren los Palestinos con la excepcion de que los Suramericanos hubiesen peleado de manera mas ferrea y el anti-semitismo se hubiese propagado a todas las Americas.
Pretty fascinating! I was familiar with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia, and I knew there were other propositions for Jewish settlement, but I never looked much into it.
I was really fascinated by all of these when I found them. I never knew there had been other projects
Ararat was interesting to learn of. It kind of reminded me of one of those Utopian colonies that started popping up around New England and the Great Lakes region in the U.S. back in the 19th Century.
There are way more... From Morrocco, Sinai, Cyprus, North-West Australia (Kimberly), Argentina...
Even Ho-Chi Minn offered for the pre-Israeli government to make an autonomous government-in-exile in North Vietnam.
Fun fact about the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia: It is only less than 1% Jewish.
This makes me wonder -- if Russia is the country with the 7th largest Jewish population, where in Russia are they even??
*EDIT:* NVM the video addressed this.
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At the Western part in big cities - where most of the population are and not in the Middle of Siberia like the JAO...
The plan of the JAO was first and foremost antisemitism. It was to separate the Jews from the rest of the population in a small isolated far away area.
The madagascar plan was first devised by the Polish in the 1920s, but was later adopted by Germany years later
Can you please explain why this plan came from the Polish? Madakascar was a death camp for Europeans and of course European Jews with malaria, plague, cholera, dengue fever etc. At that time. If the Germans had still spearheaded the sea routes, it would have meant the end.
@@owlmirror178 The interwar Polish Republic wasn't the biggest friend to Jews
@@mac17633 Thanks. I didn´t know
Yes! And apparently the French government at the time also approved of the idea?
Yes,by Poland,but not for Jewish state...for Polish farmers instead
A not so fun but interesting fact, I'm born and raised in Britain. But my Father is Palestinian and he legitimately thought that the Holocaust was Jewish Propaganda to get Arabs to sympathise with the Jews/Israelis, he now doesn't think this. But it took a full blown first hand account from my Grandad who fought in the war, lost a brother in said war and was fighting in Italy for most of it and saw the after effects of the camps. This was in the 80s, but it still amazes me how fucked up that situation would be and how that was probably a very, very bad day for all those involved.
Your Grandad is Palestinian? and he fought in WW2? that seems far fetched
@@Thel1ghtner At this point of time the area of which Palestine/Isreal exists was under the British I believe so they would’ve likely had to fight for Britain for the Italian campaign
@@quadratusoftheequilibrium5213 ok, but there were no concentration camps in Italy for Jewish people, so how did the Grandad's testimony contribute to the argument?
@@Thel1ghtner There was still fighting with Germany even after Italy was done. He could've been sent over the alps to Austria, Or perhaps further into Germany before the war ended.
Maybe it was true after all.. Free Palestine.
What's amazing is how the Eurapean Powers constantly decided that the Jews could settle in lands where the natives are not given a say on the matter as well. They don't seem to want to find a solution within Europe itself even though that's where the problems are. They'd rather make it a different people's problem. It's no wonder as to why even Israel is so controversial today, especially by the imidiate neighbours. The British really didn't care and botched the situation so hard and with the worst part being that there is probably no going back.
It forms an english pattern to disfigure kands to their aims. By their policies they destroyed irish and scottish lands, language and religion, leving those countries depopulated with an esteanged population. Their numbers never recovered after being driven out.
@@henkvandervossen6616 Yeah
Jews are the natives in Israel. They were given back their homeland and the Muslim conquerors are not happy
@libertycommentator You'd have to be a nut case to think that Zionist Jews today are in ANY way native to a land with which the only link they have is an ancestor *centuries, if not more than a Melinnia ago in the past* . Zionist Jews do not have the same right to the land nor are the same as the Jews who have been there since the beginning or reimmigrated and assimilated into the larger society of the land anytime during the past. And no, those Jews can not simply share those rights with Zionist Jews and allow them colonise the region with murder and displacement of other equally native people of the land. Also, what about the Jews who have always been there but instead simply converted to Islam or Christianity from throughout the years?
@@libertycommentatorBy your logic the British should have their empire back since they once owned it, the Natives of the US should have the entire continent to themselves and the Americans leave Europe. By your logic the world is owned by Sri Lanka the 1st place Humans were. Also Muslims didn’t conquer Jerusalem it was the Roman Empire 1st and the Muslims fought the Romans not the Jewish Kingdom get your facts right. Also that doesn’t matter how does having a historical claim to a land give you the right to ethnically cleanse the innocent Arab Palestinians in the lands majority being Children? Get your facts right
As an Aussie, I never knew about the Port Davey plan. Fascinating to learn. Thanks GK!
As a Tasmanian I am intrigued an unsettled place with no road access could have been proposed
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I never heard of it either.
I did but didn't expect a video to know
@mrwonder2857 you fuckin wish zionist.
I think it would've made more sense to put a Jewish homeland in Belgium, its not like anyone would care if we got rid of Belgium
Based Dutch opinion i see
Whats belgium? Do you mean Zuid Nederland?
@@masterdeetectiv9520 I actually mean Greater Luxembourg
@@epic_pandas Based
Let's get rid of u
The video actually starts at 5:10
You state that there wasn't a Jewish state from after the kingdom split, but there was the hasmonean kingdom during the middle of the second temple era, which was totally independent for about 80 years! With no Greek or Roman control.
I'm glad that you made this video. Such informative proposals which some of the public never heard of.
What a great informative video. I'm certain the comment section only contains reasonable, respectful content.
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND
Turkey colonized Cypress in 1974 (war). Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!)
Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT)
Most critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail
Palestine-Executing homosexuals & Christianity
One million butchered in Syria
FREE TIBET! China conquered Tibet in 1956 (2 million dead) & transformed her into a giant Chinese satanic ILLEGAL CHINESE SETTLEMENT.
Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Sterilizing Muslim women. Shaving Muslim men beards. Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide
Russia bombarded Independence seeking Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 men, women & children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT)
Return California (ILLEGAL SETTLEMENT) to Mexico
BDS Turkey’s tourism, Russian vodka, Chinese sweet & sour sauce, U.S. exports & your very own relative ‘morality’, intellectual corruption & nauseating bias at once!
@@astudentthatwantstolearn Yep and there they are
@@astudentthatwantstolearn I will try...
The original poster @Yothi tweeling never said his video was respectful he said the video was informative.
He sarcastically said that the comment section would be respectful.
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding this video it is not respectful or disrespectful of anything. It's just information:
Here is where the Kingdom of Israel used to be
Here is where the country of Israel is today
Here are eight places where someone tried to propose a Jewish state that never happened
There were a few declarations made that you can say are factually incorrect but this video was just information.
If I tell you that the Earth is spinning I'm not being respectful or disrespectful. I'm just stating a matter of fact the Earth is spinning.
@@john2g1 motion is relative, and since most everything we've got is spinning with the Earth at roughly the same speed, it's kinda moot.
My great grandfather was active in the movement for the creation of a Jewish state before the Holocaust. He felt that it would be impossible to create a homeland in Palestine as there were already too many people living there. His opinion was that it should instead be in Suriname.
Why Suriname?
@@mubinamomaybe to give everyone cool surnames
Do proposals of a Romani state next! While I see a lot of good sources of alternate places for a Jewish state, I can’t find much about proposals of a Romani state.
literally could've sent them back to India
@@welwitschia3756 I can't speak for the Romani community but I don't think they would want to move there. They've been living in Europe for centuries and probably have significantly more in common with neighbouring Europeans than they do to people in South Asia. It would be as strange as convincing English people to move to Anglia and Saxony in Germany
@Sir-Cheezy Mcweezy Not all that strange considering Europe and Asia share a land border, and that the two regions have had trade relations for thousands of years. There's always been migration between places throughout history.
Just for fun, I will list some groups of people you might be surprised to learn about:
- The Kalmyks of Kalmykia, Russia are of Mongolian origin and are the only Buddhist ethnic group native to Europe
- The Gagauz people are a Turkic speaking, Orthodox ethnic group native to Moldova
- The Syriac Christians of India, a sizeable minority in the state of Kerala, are one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, with Thomas the Apostle arriving there in the 1st century CE
- Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are all Finno-ugric languages originating in Siberia, unlike most of Europe which speaks Indo-European languages
- The earliest Malagasy, the native people of Madagascar, are believed to have arrived from Southeast Asia rather than neighbouring Africa
@Sir-Cheezy Mcweezy A bit random but cool profile pic, didn't know they added an eye block to Minecraft
@Sir-Cheezy Mcweezy I heard they came as slaves to the Balkans, and the Balkan people thought they came from Egypt. So the theory that the Romani came from Egypt was born!
An alt-history scenario that I think is kind of interesting is what if after WW2, instead of Palestine, the Jewish people had been given East Prussia as a new homeland? There's so many things to consider with that scenario. What would they do during the Cold War? What would happen if Russia didn't have Kaliningrad?
What if eugenics spread instead of communism
Same thing with the Book Judenstaat where Saxony becomes a Jewish State, although the Native Germans dont appreciate the ethnic cleansing and would most likely mean Germans not forgetting about the Genocides against them post WW2 and a far more right wing Germany
I always thought it would have been interesting is Stalin made East Prussia a Jewish state within the Soviet Union as an alternative to the unpopular JAO and a reparation for the holocaust (which the west wasn’t fully in board with accepting yet) and then they voted for independence in 91 and joined the EU with the Baltic’s in 94, it would be a mixed dialect Yiddish & Russian speaking state mostly I assume with both official languages until present
Yeah I think that would be a really interesting alt-history scenario. Not only in how it would effect Europe but also the Middle East if the state of Israel wasn't established.
This is something I thought off and would have arguably made some sense. Given that Germany was the Country that did harm to them henceforth secede Konigsberg to the Jewish people than Palestine were the people did nothing to the Jews but were punished regardless. However, they'll probably be some issues but it probably would have been resolved to this day as opposed to what we have.
Ethiopia was not part of Italy as it won the war and was never colonised
It was occupied by Italy during WW2, but it wasn’t owned/colonised by Italy.
Basically Ethiopia was in the same situation as like The Netherlands, it still existed in exile, Dutch resistance was still actively fighting the Nazis, the Nazis never integrated the territory, and it was quickly reclaimed by the Netherlands after WW2
@@BrandonBDN that is also right
What I am going to mention here is something I saw on TV only once, during the the late 1970s or early 80s. Maybe somebody else might remember it.
In the late 1940s, when the re-establishment of Israel was being discussed, a very prominent Arab, I forget whom, when told of the Holocaust, said "Germany committed a terrible crime!!!! Let Germany pay for it!!!!! Germany should be made to give a large part of its territory to the Jews!!!! The Jews will have a safe and secure homeland of their own then!!!!" But no one listened to him.
HE WAS SO RIGHT and LOGICAL
When I was at school in the 1980s in Germany I come up with the idea that after WW II Berlin and Brandenburg (part of the old Prussia and centre of colonial and NS-Power) should have been given to the Jewish people, like other parts of Germany had to be handed over to Poland and the then Sovietunion. My teacher called me out for such e crazy idea.
8:47 Soviet Onion 🤣 btw love your presentation
2:04 you forgot about the Hasmonean dynasty
It's crazy to think about all of the proposed states of Israel. Some wacky; others not so much. Also, I found that map of the Jewish Diaspora (0:05) very informative and in some ways surprising.
I think the figure given for the US is lower than usually estimated.
@@negationf6973 There are various and significantly different numbers because the intermarriage rate of Jews in the US is very high, some surveys count those who are half Jewish as well, some only count those who are fully Jewish, some even count those who are eligible for Israeli citizenship (1 Jewish grandparent) so you can have one estimate say there are 5 million, one estimate say there are 7 million and some estimate even say there are 10 million. It depends on how it is counted
The map of the diaspora is missing communities in North Africa and East of Israel, like Yemen. It was a little unclear to me when the map was referring to, but while it was informative, it really should have been provided alongside another one of other locations in time. A small number of Jews actually managed to stay in the Land of Israel, largely in the northern city of Tzfat and similar religious remote areas.
@@negationf6973 I figured as much. I might be incorrect though.
@@Item1948 free palestine
As a Buffalonian, I've never been so surprised to see Grand Island pop up in world history
That's what i said lol
Great video but please check and possibly fix: A jewish state in the 2nd to 1st century in the same location - had strong ties to Hellenic world (after a successful rebellion by Judeh the Maccabi), and later Rome but independent and actually quite aggressive and conquering, continued to exist until middle 1st century under Roman 'protectorate', Had kings like Johanan Horkenus, Aristoteblus, queen Shlomzion and others.
Kind of strange that he missed that since it was the country Jesus was born in and is pretty common knowledge throughout the Western world. Sounds like he's just not familiar with Jewish history.
Yes, the Hasmonean Dynasty.
Yeah this guy clearly knows nothing about Jewish history. It’s embarrassing. Video should be deleted
Yeah at 2:06 he says "no other specifically Jewish state had existed since that time"... He used the Bible as a reference so it does seem odd that this "state" was skipped.
IDK what he used as a qualifier but having your own government generally makes you your own "State" whether it be Kingdom, Empire, Republic, Caliphate or anything else.
@@jtarsh That's a hardline view. I think the video should be reposted with the correction in place.
I don't know if the poster is an actual historian or just a content creator but he's not omnipotent. These videos are literally about everything geographical or historical there's no way he can know everything about everything.
I love your videos! Please keep going like that, the quality of your videos is just insane! ^^
facts
Thank you!
@@General.Knowledge No i have to thank YOU for your videos, always interesting to watch and you always learn something. Also the style of your videos is unique, i have never seen this drawing style anywhere other than in your videos. So congrats to you and everyone who is working in the background ( i just assume you have an artist to draw everything in your videos, if you do it by yourself that would be even more impressing) for creating these videos and for what you have achieved with your channel. You really deserve it! ^^
Excellent disclaimer at the beginning. Respect goes both way. Peace
Britain should have given them the british Isles to establish Israel with London as a capital
Yes, indeed
"Dear Lord Rothschild" either did not have or did not want to fork out enough for that to happen.
lol
They didn't want them anywhere in Europe, they'd gotten sick of them
@@user-qq6rr2je4q that’s the joke
8:47 Soviet Onion had me laughing so much 🤣
Nice video, though!
In former Soviet Union, onion chops you.
This was extremely interesting as I knew about the British proposal in Uganda and the autonomous area in the Soviet Union, but never knew anything at all about the other options. The Grand Island, New York idea was something I found intriguing as I'm originally from Rochester, New York, a short 2 hour drive from that area.
In Soviet Union, you get land for autonomy... in Siberia!
More like the Soviet/Russian Far East, which is about as bad as Siberia, yet is near Communist-occupied Mainland China and North Korea; territories occupied by Imperial Japan until V-J Day in 1945.
I mean that's one of the best option given the fact that there wasn't so much natives on this lands.
Also I think that the soviets knew what they we're doing, the jews being a people of trading since a long time, having their skills on the sino-russian border could have been a clever idea.
Video correction: there was another Jewish state in the Second Temple period under the Hasmoneans.
True
The video quality has increased significantly over the last videos. Keep up like this!
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@@skyethehusky2583 free Palestine from Hamas Israel already freed Palestine
Great vid, I was a little surprised that Aregentina wasn't in the vid, though. Theodor Hertzl also proposed Argentina as a Jewish state location in Der Judenstaat, before working on the Uganda plan (1896 to be exact).
Maybe because this one is for real, hahaha
Argentina is a lucky mf for real
There was also plans to make a Jewish state in norther territories and in northern Western Australia (around Kimberly region)
The Australia one is the best of out of all of them including today Jewish state idea. Its the only place I can think of where dispute and fight won't happen.
You made a mostake at 2:08.
After the Macabian revolt there was an established 2nd kingdom of Judea which lasted until 41CE, and then there was the Judean republic of 66CE and the various jewish revolts until the 7th Century
Based askMena poster 🤝
I live in Tasmania, had to do a double take at the thumbnail lol.
May Allah protect your country and keep it safe :)
So every European power wanted to get rid of them
Yes !!!
And now they're stuck with those they really should be trying to get rid of (hint: this doesn't refer to the Jews).
They didn't want turmoil in their lands, yet gifted the Arabs that same problem.
@@TheSunMoon
The British did not ""help to establish a Jewish state"", the Balfour declaration was de facto as worthless as any other ""promises"" of the British empire to it's colonial subject. (Not to mention that "safe homeland" is absolutely not independent sovereign state".
The British prevented hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees to reach Palestine and put them in detention camps.
Most of the Jews escaped to there illegally against the British rule.
The British were allowed Jews to live only in very small and certain undeveloped areas.
The Jews literally directly fought against the British rule...
The UK didn't even voted for the partition plan, so for an independent Israel?
*ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY JEWS. PERIOD.* (As well as minority of Arabs and Druze).
lel, you can repeat this million times and it wouldn’t make it true
Why didn't Brits and other colonial powers did not seek to create one in Europe? Made sense since most Jews in modern-day and age are of European origin.
Europeans didnt want a different race back then.
only 19% of israelis are european, also zionists wouldn’t like to still be in a continent that could genocide them again
I’m sure the comments on this video are going to be completely rational and respectful of each other’s opinions, the internet is such a wonderful
Place 😆
From what I heard about the Fugu Plan, the main reasoning was weaken Chinese trade influence by having somebody friendly to them do commercial activities instead plus they'd likely have ties to other countries economically. From an amoral perspective, the idea wasn't bad but never got to a serious planning stage. It was basically no more than one of many policy proposals to stay in control in Manchuria.
Learned so much today. Huge thanks!
The Madagascar plan sounded like the best route to go
You ride for ethnic cleansing dude , no plan is okay,,, so many ethnogroup doesn't have land like Kurds , and they are under any other one ruling,, so the idea itself is inapplicable,,, instead create more laws to protect everyone and try to make everyone equal
"You are not going to solve the Middle East crisis in the comment section of a UA-cam video" that should be one of the terms and conditions to signing into UA-cam… An understanding of that statement😂😂 people can dream
Funny how they never suggested a place in Europe, perhaps Germany...
Specifically a piece of land that they lost to Russia. Hmm! What was it called? Konigsberg now Kaliningrad.
The Uganda Scheme was not proposed in Uganda, but in a small area of modern day Kenya called Guas Nagishu.
Uasin gishu
👍 ✔️ true
Two you missed, the Andinia Plan in Argentina and Chile around 1880 and the Kimberley Plan in Australia in the 1930s.
The Andinia Plan never existed.
God saved all this countries❤
There's a good alternative-history novel, The Yiddish Policemen's Union (2007), that, quoting Wikipedia, "...is a detective story set in an alternative history version of the present day, based on the premise that during World War II, a temporary settlement for Jewish refugees was established in Sitka, Alaska, in 1941, and that the fledgling State of Israel was destroyed in 1948. The novel is set in Sitka, which it depicts as a large, Yiddish-speaking metropolis." It won the Hugo and the Nebula, the two most prestigious science fiction awards.
W alternative world
Yes, I read it and then gave it to a second cousin as a sort of curiosity to read as well.
Great video! Keep up the content! :)
I like the variety with this video, only thing I might add would be the suggested settlement of the Jewish people in Patagonia and around the southern end of South America
I can't understand how people don't see how fucked up these ideas are
Its a conspiracy theory
I think the Prussian territory of Koninsberg or Kalinigrad before partition would have been an apt compensation considering Germanys direct involvement and getting the heart of Prussia. Most likely this would have been a Jewish Soviet Republic which later resembles the Baltic states post 1991.
Great video like always! Anyways my suggestion is places with shocking population gains or losses
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND
Turkey colonized Cypress in 1974 (war). Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!)
Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT)
Most critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail
Palestine-Executing homosexuals & Christianity
One million butchered in Syria
FREE TIBET! China conquered Tibet in 1956 (2 million dead) & transformed her into a giant Chinese satanic ILLEGAL CHINESE SETTLEMENT.
Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Sterilizing Muslim women. Shaving Muslim men beards. Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide
Russia bombarded Independence seeking Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 men, women & children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT)
Return California (ILLEGAL SETTLEMENT) to Mexico
BDS Turkey’s tourism, Russian vodka, Chinese sweet & sour sauce, U.S. exports & your very own relative ‘morality’, intellectual corruption & nauseating bias at once!
Amara being jewish is something I learned from eu4 with it representing the only jewish province in the game still very cool to hear it still having to some extent jewish representation to this day
The title "Amara" has existed in East Africa for thousands of years. Before missionaries and specifically Germans made Ethiopians "Amhara"
The name existed in Uganda and western Kenya for the only priests who were known as "Chwezi" or "Bairu/Habairu"
In ancient Buganda, they were know for offering sacrifices on hills in a ritual called "Ovwiri or Vweru"
They also had special drum called ngoma that had four protuding handles for four men to carry.
The name survived until it disappeared in 1900s but still, there are so many groups who still call themselves "Amara" or Mara or Maracoli in East Africa or Uganda.
Unfortunately, after the socialists took power, most of what was left of those Jews fled to Israel along with many christians claiming to be Jews (which in Ethiopia isn't too much of a stretch as their Christianity came out of their Judaism)
@@maragolihistory2118 I agree with you, I will ignore the fact that no one asked for explanation for the name amara, but I will add and say that the language of the Ethiopians called Amhara. Also, Ethiopians are not really the ethnic group, they are actually the citizens of Ethiopia. There are a lot of ethnic groups inside Ethiopia that makes that country so diverse and multi ethnical, such as the Somalis, the Oromo people, the Amhara people and more.
I am Amhara
@@niross819 Cool, l was just explaining the significance part of the name, and yes no one asked me to explain. But as a person from Kenya, and one who knows how important that name "Amhara or Amara or Mara" means to those who knew Chwezi priesthood and it's importance....
Ask any Ethiopians if they don't know what happened to the German Kraft, who would still come to Kenya to name our country and the tallest mountain after being kicked out from Ethiopia??? Now ask Kenyans and Ugandans about the war between Sir Burton and sir John Hanington Speke??? Infact because of "Amara," the name, sir John Hanington Speke was A-s-s-a-s-s-i-n-a-ted by the British Royal Geography Society.
But fortunately, today, Mara remains a major tourist region In Kenya for Europeans billionaires while the name hides huge history behind it.
That's all I'm saying.
Im from Grand Island! We were taught some of that history way back in 4th grade! The only thing I recall being differemt was that they attempted to establish a settlement but a horrible winter that year made them leave. Not too surprising if you know anything about Buffalo's weather, tho we rarely get those horrendous storms in the north towns
Winter saved yo ass ❤😂
Very interesting. Thank you for your time. Cheers
I’ve was thinking about this a few days ago, thank you for boiling it down for me
I genuinely had no idea most of these proposals existed. Although I did know the Nazis planned to ship all undesirables to Australia once the war was over or Australia was conquered.
why i mean our ally japan would take australia
The Brits beat them
to it in the 1800's.
@@here_we_go_again2571 1700's
@@dmax9946
I knew that the Brits were transporting
people to the West Indies in the 1700''s
But I am not surprised that even as
early as the 1700's they were trans-
porting people to Australia.
They also transported prisoners to the American Colonies. During Colonial
times what roads existed in the more
populated areas of the American
Colonies were notoriously unsafe
because of the escaped prisoners
who had left their temporary owners
(i.e. the people who had paid for their
transport at an auction block in the Colonies)
The Colonial authorities did not have the
funds to hire deputies to hunt them down.
The British troops stationed there were mostly infantry and trained only for European-style fighting.
Anyhow, the Frontier and near-frontier (very sparsely populated areas) were so close that a skilled horseman could slip into "Indian Country" easily. The Frontier
and occasionally the near-frontier were
subject to raids as well as to small groups of wandering displaced Natives who were beggars.
Jim Jones tried to create a "New Jerusalem" in Guyana.
J.K. - keep up the good work !
On 6:31 you've circled the wrong area. The Jews were to be resettled in Uasin Gishu, which is in present day Kenya, a huge distance East of the circle.
When dealing with East African history, you have to remember that Kenya as a national name only begins to exist in the 1910s, so alot of present day Kenyan territory is named under Uganda.
A good example of this is the 1906 Uganda railway being named so, despite most of it spreading between Mombasa and Kisumu, which is Kenyan land. You can actually tell the time period when certain books were written, depending on if they refer to it as "Uganda railway" or " Kenya - Uganda railway".
thanks for this
Well, that just makes it uganda bc it was uganda back then. he's not talking about present day borders
@afckajjansi what I meant is, the region circled is present day Uganda, but the region for Jewish resettlement is Uasin Gishu, currently present day Kenya, but in the 1890s was considered Ugandan.
Meaning that the circle is wrongly located.
@@michibosire5000there is a very vibrant black Jewish community in Mbale, Uganda too. That's probably where he pointed on the map.
@@michibosire5000which makes it Uganda, doesn't it? It was literally called the Uganda scheme. What's your argument? The British should return Ugandan land to Uganda maybe lol. That makes Kenya smaller and share 0% of Lake Victoria. Uganda has more Gushi land than Kenya and almost all Gishu tribe live on the Ugandan side. Lastly, they weren't just gonna be in gishu, it was mostly the area on the border of Uganda and Kenya. Far eastern Uganda and present day far Western Kenya which was then in Uganda. Anyways, no one gives a crap as (thankfully)it didn't follow through and they don't belong there. I mean if they couldn't accept their brothers in Ethiopia (much bigger Jewish community) bc they're much darker. What makes you think they'd get along with a few Jewish people in eastern Uganda who are 5x darker than the Ethiopian jews?😂 And Amin would've had them for dinner 30 years down the road 😂.
In fact, the British Uganda Programme was supposed to take place in modern day Kenya, not Uganda
They love to hide that part, they would rather use "Uganda" because if people ever discover that in real sense it was western Kenya where both Ottoman's, Omanis sultans, Ethiopians And Balfour wanted to all establish a Yahud kingdom and that this region has historical significance, it will blow people's mind.
In a small area called Uasin Gishu
@@מ.מ-ה9ד why dont you stay in your own place ? the fckn hypocrisy
@@9j8ko
You are literally a racist
@@מ.מ-ה9ד Uasin Gishu
One of your best videos to date. Dear lord, this was a good one
The video starts at 5:10
Thanks for saving my time
There was a new proposal earlier this year from an Israeli official to buy an island in Greece for emergencies but got rejected
There was a proposal to establish a Jewish homeland in the Sinai Desert.
There was also a second proposal for Australia, in which a Jewish homeland would have been established along the north coast of the continent.
There were three Jewish settlements in the Sinai. They were all abandoned during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.
Fun fact - Madagasakar was idea of French government in 1930ties. They proposed that Poland would take over Madagaskar and help moving Jews there. Even expedition was send with Polish and Jewish scientists. But idea got scrapped due to protests.
You omitted the actual Jewish state of the Hasmonean Kingdom. It ruled over Judaea, the Galilee, the philistine coastal plain, and much of the Transjordan including the Golan heights
Antartica would have been a better choice.
You forgot Argentina. That was a very famous one, and has lots of online sources and stories.
And yes, most of these options would certainly have been more viable options than one where indigenous communities have been under all kinds of active persecution and apartheid for 75 years.
This documentary totally misses the one most important fact, namely that Jerusalem, Judea, and Sumeria comprised the the historic ancestral homeland of the Jews for three millenia. There was no other piece of real estate on the planet to locate the State of Israel. It makes absolutely no logical sense. The founders of the modern Zionist movement thoroughly debated the Ugandan alternative, and rejected it for the obvious reason that the Jews of the Diaspora clearly had no cultural, religious, or legal claim to East Africa, or any other place for that matter.
Hmmm you mean the excuse used to make thousands of Jews relocate and make this insanity sound like a total legitimate claim? Sure
Coming back to this because it feels very relevant right now. Feel like they may have been best off creating a state where there wasn’t an existing state simply on ground that a Jewish state existed there 2700+ years prior.
What?
Wait my country almost became a Jewish state (Uganda) I'm sure they would've treated us like the Palestinians
Bro he said not to discuss nor say the word
The only difference is that even less people would care
Not to get too deep in it, the relationship between the two people would most definitely depend on first interactions, and whether the British would trying to force the groups against each other
I'm a Gnostic and we have been oppressed to the tune of 8 to 10 million killed can we have a homeland ?
No😂😂😂 Hitler used gnosticism to justify the Holocaust, also find Christ you heretic
You can have Atlantis 🐟🌊
I don't understand why people still believe that the Jewish people are a race. It has been thousands of years, and millions of people that were not Jewish have become Jewish and mixed in and so, they are just a religious group. Not a race.
@@KonradvonHotzendorf Holy Cathar Empire
I can explain why the delegation sent to Uganda reported there was too many lions. The vote to establish a Jewish Homeland slimly pasts a vote in the World Zionist Congress. Upon the vote passing those who voted no to the plan stood up and sang the poem Hatikvah which would become the national anthem of Israel. The poem speaks about our home being "The Land of Zion and of Jerusalem" as well as a general yearning to return. Some of the delegates falsified elements of the report of Uganda such as the lions to essentially put the territory then known as Palestine back as the most desired and most viable territory to create a Jewish homeland.
Hope this provides some clarification if anyone wondered about the lion thing :)
Historically it’s the motherland.
Palestine was already full of Jews and their homeland. Why would they prefer Uganda to which they have no real ties?
@@alimerhi5531 yes I agree Eretz Yisrael as we call it in Hebrew is our Motherland
@@katie-st8nx it’s a long answer. Now Shocker I’m a Zionist Jew (controversial I know 🤣🤣🤣) Eretz Yisrael (Hebrew for the land of Israel) had a Jewish community called the Yishuv. The old Yishuv is the foundation of the modern Yishuv and it’s the community of Jews who lived in Israel since the time of the Second Temple’s destruction. Large scale migration can be traced back to 1492 when Beyazid II dispatched his navy to rescue Jews from Ibera following the Alhambra decree. Two rulers later when the Ottomans controlled the Levant Suleiman the magnificent undertook a project to resettle Jews in the Levant. However more in the 1800’s would Jewish communities deliberately make a large scale effort to return back to our home.
Uganda was meant to be a temporary place of refuge so the communities living in Europe could flee the pogroms but also the antisemitism brewing in 1800’s Germany and France following the Dreyfus affair and racial scientists arguing we can never belong in Europe, that we’re a sub race who must go to the Levant. The Uganda plan gradually became more popular given the Ottoman Empire who controlled Eretz Yisrael During Theodor Herzel’s life wasn’t fully open to seeding territory that has cultural and religious significance to Muslims in order to reestablish a Jewish homeland. This isn’t meant to be a generalisation of Muslims but in some schools of Islam, again not all and it doesn’t mean every single Muslim believes what I’m about to claim, every Muslim is an individual with their own distinct thoughts and beliefs. But in some interpretations of Islam when a Muslim community settles in a land and builds a mosque there. The land automatically becomes Islamic till the end of time. And given Eretz Yisael has Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem as well as the Dome of the Rock. Plus Hebron has the Tomb of the patriarchs which includes Abraham’s tomb. This was turned into a mosque when Muslims began settling the territory. This partly fuels the modern conflict of Israel-Palestinian from the religious side
it is not your home it is home of the Aramaic people of Canaan you were nomadic invaders from Mesopotamia your real home is Iraq. and even that do not work because Judaism is a religion not an ethnicity.
As a Ugandan, I’m starting to think that we might have dodged a literal bullet.
Yep!
As a fellow Ugandan, I completely disagree. Historically, every single war was started by Palestine or their allies against Israel. Peace & Love to everyone!!
Only white people can think they could give away land that isnt even there. Lmao uganda could have been a apartheid state
@@Jack-zs2ydSo you would have accept that straight away
Because you people have your own massacre?
This long intro is a *wild* change in video style from your usual. It's pretty well done, but it's also a lot more generic and creates a weird transition to the main video. I personally prefer your usual hand-drawn style because it is more unique and personal.
In my Grade 12 politics class, we were having a discussion about a two state vs one state solution and I proposed giving the land back to Palestinians and bringing the Jews to America. My teacher just shrugged it off as unrealistic and clearly wasn't aware of all the proposals to do exactly that. Could have at least been a learning opportunity if my teacher was better informed, but that pretty much sums up my high school experience as a whole.
Just because it was proposed historically doesn’t mean it’s remotely feasible today. No need to be so fucking condescending to people with different opinions
Os teus vídeos são legitimamente impressionantes, imagino que uma conversa sobre geopolítica e estado do mundo o seja também! Excelente trabalho! Um extra ser de um tugão! 🔥
Concordo 100%
Interesting. Though there was one more project in 1946. The Saramaccaproject. The plan was to be carried out, the Staten van Suriname (the name of the parliament back then) had already voted in favor. The Dutch government was also in favor.
They'd reached written agreement on many points. For example, it was agreed that the immigrants should settle in their own villages where they would have complete religious freedom, that they should commit themselves to learning Dutch and should strive for Dutch citizenship. The only remaining point of contention, the number of Jewish immigrants, was tentatively set at 30,000, with the possibility of more to come later. (Suriname then had about 180,000 inhabitants).
The 30,000 Jews would be settled in the Saramacca district, southwest of Groningen, in an area between 60 and 65 km². The cost of this plan was estimated at USD 35 million. Hans Samson, the Surinamese representative of the Freeland League, took care of the translation.
Though major objections in Suriname came from the Surinamese Zionist Union. In Zionist circles, including in the US and in the Netherlands, there was strong opposition to the Freeland League's plans because they could thwart the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. The Zionists therefore exerted pressure not to let the plan go ahead. The resistance of the Nationalist Party Suriname (NPS) was of great influence in Suriname itself. This Creole party feared that mass immigration of Jews would eventually lead to political and economic domination by Jews. The objections of the Dutch government were decisive, however. In the beginning he had been positive about the plan, but after a while he turned against it. It was feared that there would be many 'Communist infiltrators' among the Jewish immigrants from Central and Eastern Europe, so that Suriname could become a communist state.
In May 1948, Israel declared its independence. The new Surinamese governor, Willem Huender, then indicated in August that it had been decided to suspend the Jewish immigration plans until the international situation would clear up. Despite many attempts by the Freeland League, the plans were never seriously considered on the Dutch and Surinamese sides. However, the Saramacca project has never been officially discontinued.
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there was actually multiple majority jewish states that existed including the khazrs the himyarites and i believe some independant client states in central asia
Dont forger south arabia and the horn of africa
Only the aristocracy in Khazaria were Jewish, not the general population.
@@condovo Exactly, the Khazar myth has been thoroughly debunked by scholars.
@@davidroscoe3815 I thought it was true cause ck3
Khazars were jewish converts, not by origin
Keep up the great work 👍👍
It wasn’t a proposal but there was a Jewish explorer who visited the Kimberly Region of Australia with the hope that might become the Jewish State, I believe is he also visited Victoria as well.
I think there was a Proposal for a Jewish state in Canada somewhere.
The map of the Middle East was redrawn when the Ottoman Empire was dissolved following WWI. This would have been a good time to create a homeland for the Jewish people.
I’m glad Uganda fought them off.
There are more that you didn't mentioned. Prussia offered to Ben gurion after ww2, Sinai peninsula, offered by the British and probably more that I don't remember right now.
Prussia or Russia? It would have been an interesting twist if Konigsberg / Kalinigrad was made into a jewish state instead of a russian exclave ahah
What a curious video! Love this channel, congrats!
The flag you used for British Uganda is actually the Tasmanian flag.
Oooh, Tasmania would've been perfect for the Jewish state. Temperate climate, lots of land (roughly 3x more than Israel now), well-watered, very much resembles England or Western Europe. With the ingenuity of the Israelis now on full display, Tasmania could've turned into quite the little technological and financial powerhouse by 2010 or so. Yes, some of its unspoiled nature would've had to be paved over to make room for large cities. But I can't imagine that its Jewish inhabitants would've been complaining too much, living in peace and harmony in such a lovely land, with beautiful forests, mountains and rivers, and where water scarcity and Palestinians were not issues.
I loved the idea of Madagasgar or Tasmania, there are over 10 million Jewish people in the world with two big communities in America and Isrrael. There in eather of those two islands would be really safe and far away from there enemies.
They would have instant enemies with the people already living there. They'll have to subjugate the locals like their doing in present day Israel.
I think leaving that land to the natives instead of taking it is a better decision
Madagascar plan looks amazing