Just wanted to do a little clearup: 1. The video was edited by me (check the description🥳) 2.The radio chatter is a reenactment, sorry for not putting that in the captions🗿
Ryan’s Colorado Rail Productions the crash was purely ‘artistic work’ and I didn’t put it through the eq’s as I wanted it to be quite surreal and out of context
It still amazes me that the automatic air brake system used in the US and throughout most of the world does not seem to be in any way failsafe; one blockage in a brake pipe or bleeding of air pressure and you're left with no brakes at all. Contrast this with the UK's older vacuum brake system, which required a continuous vacuum to be applied throughout the train to keep the brakes off, making it almost absolutely failsafe since any leakage of air would destroy the vacuum and apply the brakes. True, it was far from a perfect system; the need to keep the vacuum constant cost power, be it steam pressure in the case of steam locomotives or energy from diesel engines, the length of trains may also be limited by a single loco's ability to maintain a vacuum, and by and large it was primarily passenger vehicles that were vacuum fitted, plus anyone who's read the original Thomas the Tank Engine books can tell you what a pain it can be when a vacuum pipe is damaged. Still, the idea persists that had American freight trains been fitted with a system like vacuum brakes, that are designed to truly fail safe should anything go wrong, this wreck and many others like it likely never would have happened. Of course, I'm sure you'll eventually get around to the event that made such failsafe vacuum brakes mandatory in the UK in the first place: The Armagh Runaway Disaster of 12 June, 1889.
Nowadays if pressure drops past something like 20psi or lower, full emergency brakes are applied. I've seen videos of such things happening before. My friend Trainfan5202 saw NS 38G get stopped because of that. They also go into emergency if the hose breaks especially if a coupling fails.
If an engineer makes a brake pipe reduction and he doesnt see the pressure go down on the eot, then yes there is a blockage or a kink in an airline. The way fix that? Initiate an emergency brake application from the rear EOT. If the eot has comm loss, then train speed isn't supposed to exceed 30 anyway. There are rules in place for a reason. Descending a grade with a known air problem is a bad decision to start with.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren vacuum or positive pressure, they ultimately work the quite similarly -- as long as the trainline is kept at full pressure (vacuum), the brakes on a car remain off. When the trainline loses pressure (vacuum), the brakes on the cars are applied. Trains do not work like your car, where you apply pressure to the brake pedal to apply pressure to the brake shoes. Thing is, this change in trainline pressure takes time (several minutes), though with helpers on the end could be propagated from both ends (if they only had an EOT, it'd need to be sent an emergency signal) If you drop the pressure too quickly (about 15-20 psi within 3-5 seconds or so), you'll get an emergency application, where the car valves are thrown "full open" and additionally cars may individually dump trainline pressure to atmosphere to speed up the process. Now, the thing is, none of the valves / connections / etc on a train car are perfectly air tight -- they're generally good enough for normal operation, but they'll leak out over the course of a few hours -- and your brakes will quite likely start releasing. So, if NTSB didn't get cleared to start the investigation until the fires were out ... well, you'll end up with random cars in your train having "weak" applications. Not knowing anything else about the investigation, I'd imagine some of the cause would be not enough retarders set, or at least not enough set to keep the car brakes to full on.
This just isn't true. Almost all modern airbrakes failsafe, and in an emergency brake situation they are quicker to apply. Plus even automatic vacuum brakes can fail deadly in certain situations. See it happen.
I mean it's there job to be calm in a situation like this, same as how ATC controllers are trained to be calm and offer as much help as they can to a plane in distress
They do however the air reservoirs on the cars need to be supplied with air from the compressors located on the locomotives (not like MU cars which have their own compressors). There are no spring emergency brakes as on buses with air brakes as they would not be able to stop the train. Somehow the crew did not know that the air pressure at the rear of the train was inadequate. What happened here was not unlike a passenger train wreck in Washington DC in 1953 where a GG-1 locomotive and its train crashed into the basement of Union Station due to an angle cock being closed in the middle of the train enroute making the brakes in the rear cars inoperative.
Spring applied parking brakes on EMUs in the UK are held off by main reservoir air pressure. The springs hold the brakes on with the equivalent brake force of a 4 bar brake application. There is one parking brake per wheelset. The parking brake is also a service brake. So an increasing pressure applies the service brake, but when the main res pipe drops below 4 bar the springs within the parking brake actuator apply the brakes. I'm not sure why the U.S cant have similar to UK/European freight train brakes... whatever the case maybe, the brakes should always fail safe, everytime, every eventuality...
I would think there would by now be a system where some massive springs pushing the shoes down would require a massive amount of pressure to take the brakes off, or a hydraulic system. That would mean a leak would, like in the railway series, cause the brakes to slam shut. The system being used seems confusing, and I keep getting seemingly contradictory explanations that a kink OR a leak will cause failure.
Then how do runaways happen? If pressure being lost causes all to stop, how would a kink in a hose hold back 90 PSI? And how would a lack of pressure from disconnected pipes let cars roll away like in that railyard incident with the Coors Light tankers?
That photo of that red signal came up legitimately made me shiver. There's just something about the lighting effects, the sounds, that causes that borderline fight or flight response. You couldn't have done it better.
Cresent City was another bad one near the Illinois/Indiana State line. Wiped out almost the entire town center. I was born in 78 so it was way before my time. Used to drive through there all the time and even in the 80s, you can still see pieces of the damage
Dude, this is awesome. Big improvement from your earlier videos, I LOVE the editing style here. I think its good that your videos have a more solemn tone now, it's more fitting to the topic. Loved the dialogue scene too. Excited for future videos!
This reminds me of a dream I had once earlier this year that was in a similar setting as Cajon Pass with an ATSF blue bonnet f45 crashing while leading a local, it didn’t get too far damaged but it was spewing heavy, black smoke
Man, I do not know where and why I found you but I really enjoy these derailment and accident videos, they’re really interesting, you’re doing a great job.
Love your railroad incident videos! I have a incident I'd like to suggest if you are able to fit more into your schedule. I live in Northeast Ohio and on October 10th, 2007 there was a tanker derailment near routes 2 and 44, which is also by a Lubrizol oil facility, but I don't believe it was their issue. few of the tankers caught on fire and messed up a lot of track in the area. Honestly, I have no idea what caused this and how it happened, althought I'm sure there is lots of local news stories from then that did explain everything. It's a small accident and didn't lead to any deaths, but it was a bizarre incident knowing things like that don't happen around here. Even if you don't make a video on it, keep up the great work!
Eyewitness said "It sounded like a tornado." *Get it? Whenever there's a tornado, witnesses always say "It sounded like a freight train." So I just switched the situation.
Thomas in the 1996 Crash The Locos were 157 (GP60M) 3853 (GP50) 342 (GP60B) & 4031 (GP60) And The GP60M & GP60B Were Repaired Since The Last Two Locomotives Were Scrapped Comment:342 & 157 Were Repaired But They Looked Like A Total Loss
Throughout all of these episodes of wrecks and no matter how long this series grows and how large the channel gets, I still feel that *this* is the scariest episode of the channel mainly because of no music and the chilling radio talk.
Just wanted to do a little clearup:
1. The video was edited by me (check the description🥳)
2.The radio chatter is a reenactment, sorry for not putting that in the captions🗿
nice, i thought it was real until the crash part!
Ryan’s Colorado Rail Productions the crash was purely ‘artistic work’ and I didn’t put it through the eq’s as I wanted it to be quite surreal and out of context
Wow, you made it sound so real.
Gamerafighter76 could be done better, but I admit that the distortion is quite convincing
Vary good reenactment. 👍
Train: Driving on Cajon Pass
People living next to curves on the track: *Sweating profusely*
Why doesn’t this have more likes?
Having people having ptsd due to a crash in san bernardino
Damn I know crews be hittin a quick prayer before going down it
The radio conversation gave me the chills
Me too dude, that's the one thing you never want to hear on the radio...
Garrett Henderson chills
I just ran to sleep with mom and dad after hearing those radio calls
Me too it gives me chills you never want to hear that on a radio.
Too bad that's not the actual audio. Good reenactment though.😉
"the Sf crew wasnt so lucky" long pause... they had minor injuries and survived. why to start off making it sound like they died lol
I was thinking shit major injuries any thing amputated are they dead but no minor injuries wtf man
Conductor Stockwell had major injuries from jumping and engineer whitest had tunol carpol too his hands and never worked again
Plot twist they did died
@Nathaniel Cruz yes
I’m just joking around
yeah lol
Neat! ✔
Man I actually just looked at a couple of your videos, I gotta admit you have great quality!
@@voldo18
Thx!
@@calibratedindigo1338 thanks so much💙
@@BaltimoreAndOhioRR hi again 👋:)
@@railfansbizarreadventure7458 Hi!
The real life troublesome trucks
Buses and trains 121 faster faster!
Crashing..... kaboom!
Playing trouble trucks song
Did you see the last video of the pass there is Thomas music in it
XD
It still amazes me that the automatic air brake system used in the US and throughout most of the world does not seem to be in any way failsafe; one blockage in a brake pipe or bleeding of air pressure and you're left with no brakes at all. Contrast this with the UK's older vacuum brake system, which required a continuous vacuum to be applied throughout the train to keep the brakes off, making it almost absolutely failsafe since any leakage of air would destroy the vacuum and apply the brakes. True, it was far from a perfect system; the need to keep the vacuum constant cost power, be it steam pressure in the case of steam locomotives or energy from diesel engines, the length of trains may also be limited by a single loco's ability to maintain a vacuum, and by and large it was primarily passenger vehicles that were vacuum fitted, plus anyone who's read the original Thomas the Tank Engine books can tell you what a pain it can be when a vacuum pipe is damaged. Still, the idea persists that had American freight trains been fitted with a system like vacuum brakes, that are designed to truly fail safe should anything go wrong, this wreck and many others like it likely never would have happened.
Of course, I'm sure you'll eventually get around to the event that made such failsafe vacuum brakes mandatory in the UK in the first place: The Armagh Runaway Disaster of 12 June, 1889.
Nowadays if pressure drops past something like 20psi or lower, full emergency brakes are applied. I've seen videos of such things happening before. My friend Trainfan5202 saw NS 38G get stopped because of that. They also go into emergency if the hose breaks especially if a coupling fails.
But You're right vacuum brakes are better.
If an engineer makes a brake pipe reduction and he doesnt see the pressure go down on the eot, then yes there is a blockage or a kink in an airline. The way fix that? Initiate an emergency brake application from the rear EOT. If the eot has comm loss, then train speed isn't supposed to exceed 30 anyway. There are rules in place for a reason. Descending a grade with a known air problem is a bad decision to start with.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren vacuum or positive pressure, they ultimately work the quite similarly -- as long as the trainline is kept at full pressure (vacuum), the brakes on a car remain off. When the trainline loses pressure (vacuum), the brakes on the cars are applied. Trains do not work like your car, where you apply pressure to the brake pedal to apply pressure to the brake shoes.
Thing is, this change in trainline pressure takes time (several minutes), though with helpers on the end could be propagated from both ends (if they only had an EOT, it'd need to be sent an emergency signal)
If you drop the pressure too quickly (about 15-20 psi within 3-5 seconds or so), you'll get an emergency application, where the car valves are thrown "full open" and additionally cars may individually dump trainline pressure to atmosphere to speed up the process.
Now, the thing is, none of the valves / connections / etc on a train car are perfectly air tight -- they're generally good enough for normal operation, but they'll leak out over the course of a few hours -- and your brakes will quite likely start releasing. So, if NTSB didn't get cleared to start the investigation until the fires were out ... well, you'll end up with random cars in your train having "weak" applications.
Not knowing anything else about the investigation, I'd imagine some of the cause would be not enough retarders set, or at least not enough set to keep the car brakes to full on.
This just isn't true. Almost all modern airbrakes failsafe, and in an emergency brake situation they are quicker to apply. Plus even automatic vacuum brakes can fail deadly in certain situations. See it happen.
welcome everyone to cajon pass, its just like any other mountain pass except freight trains come here to do one thing...
they come here to DIIIIIIE
The radio convo is not something youd wanna hear at 5 something in the morning
It's a convo that no one wants to be apart at any time.
I heard it at 2:20 AM
...
(Right now at the time of this comment being made)
...
damn I’m tired
Ight im back and now im watching it again at 500 AM
i like how the dispatcher is so calm in this situation
lol
I mean it's there job to be calm in a situation like this, same as how ATC controllers are trained to be calm and offer as much help as they can to a plane in distress
I love your videos as being a railfan!
I LOVE trains
Bone chilling indeed, seeing how calm this dude was did give me chills.
Why don't rail cars work like semi trailers - the brakes are activated with a LOSS of air pressure?
They do however the air reservoirs on the cars need to be supplied with air from the compressors located on the locomotives (not like MU cars which have their own compressors). There are no spring emergency brakes as on buses with air brakes as they would not be able to stop the train. Somehow the crew did not know that the air pressure at the rear of the train was inadequate. What happened here was not unlike a passenger train wreck in Washington DC in 1953 where a GG-1 locomotive and its train crashed into the basement of Union Station due to an angle cock being closed in the middle of the train enroute making the brakes in the rear cars inoperative.
Spring applied parking brakes on EMUs in the UK are held off by main reservoir air pressure. The springs hold the brakes on with the equivalent brake force of a 4 bar brake application. There is one parking brake per wheelset. The parking brake is also a service brake. So an increasing pressure applies the service brake, but when the main res pipe drops below 4 bar the springs within the parking brake actuator apply the brakes. I'm not sure why the U.S cant have similar to UK/European freight train brakes... whatever the case maybe, the brakes should always fail safe, everytime, every eventuality...
I would think there would by now be a system where some massive springs pushing the shoes down would require a massive amount of pressure to take the brakes off, or a hydraulic system.
That would mean a leak would, like in the railway series, cause the brakes to slam shut.
The system being used seems confusing, and I keep getting seemingly contradictory explanations that a kink OR a leak will cause failure.
Paul that is how it works, brakes off is 90 psi, emergency 0 psi.
Then how do runaways happen? If pressure being lost causes all to stop, how would a kink in a hose hold back 90 PSI? And how would a lack of pressure from disconnected pipes let cars roll away like in that railyard incident with the Coors Light tankers?
This is great! The radio chatter recreation gave me chills. I can’t wait for you to do the 1996 runaway train.
Good idea to have like 5 blankets
He did already the cajon pass 1996 and the 1994 one and the san bernardino 3 of them
radio conversation reenactment is bone chilling. great work
This documentary has the greatest intensity and editing of all of your documentaries! Great job!
Wow this place is INCREDIBLY insane and now we wait for another crash
Sad but true
There's acutally been a recent crash or derailment I'm not sure you'll have to look on the Cajon Pass Wikipedia page.
Is it the Cajon Pass runaway in 1996?
@@usstiger_cd4165 no and sorry for the late reply
that is okay
Your my favorite UA-camr
*you're you gotra use the right you're
@@franklesner2322 gotta, you gotta use the right gotta
Dude the way you put this together always makes them incredible keep them coming man you know how to make these very very informative
This was amazing! Can't wait for the '96 runaway
SouthEastern Railfan me too
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Cajon pass seems like a place were all freight trains go to die but that's a lot of crashes in cajon
No there are not a lot of crashes on Cajon and theres a large amount of rail traffic running through there.
@@michaelmccarthy4615 ok but these crashes made me think there's a lot of crashes in cajon for freight trains
@@MetroGaming75 theres a lot more crashes on Interstate 15 that runs along side the RR. The engineers would see that.
@@michaelmccarthy4615 yeah since man people over speed and crash
Train every 10-20 minutes everyday all year.....4 crashes/derailments in over 100 years........
Also what was the order?
I thought it was 576-96-144-5976 not 144 and 5976 swapped.
Runaway in 1996 until 2 months in 2019.
there were those 3 and then 1 in August of 2018 and a wildfire in 2016
@That Random Rainbow Kitty yep... thats makes 5...
Awesome video & thank you for uploading it I was looking forward to seeing this
1:46 That's just spine-chilling!
It's also ear defining to head phone users. 😂😂
thanks for the video,happy holidays, my compliments Sir
Good video and Great Editing
You put a lot of work into these! Thanks.
Ya you're back
Amazing delivery of this event. Very well done as always
Finally, a better 1994 Cajon Pass derailment video. Thanks.
Been waiting for this. I'm excited now! Thank you for all that you do.
This was intense. I watched this on my TV in the dark, I got chills down my spine. This is awesome!!! Great work!!
Honestly, the radio chatter gave me chill. But I’m just glad there wasn’t any fatalities on this. Keep it up, and have a great day!
Man we’re did you go?
Places.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren Thats nice. Doin some things I see?
Phill the E2 Class tank engine He was on to catch a predator you didn't see!
@Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions Can you do a documentary about the crash about AWVR 7375 and 7346 Lash-up twins
@@UnionPacificYT2 He only does documentaries about crashes that happened in real life
I really like how your knowledge of trains adds to the story you're telling
OH MY GOOOOOD!!!!
Nice _Troll 2_ reference!
That photo of that red signal came up legitimately made me shiver. There's just something about the lighting effects, the sounds, that causes that borderline fight or flight response. You couldn't have done it better.
YAAAY IVE BEEN WAITING
24 years later and my blood still runs cold when I hear that radio transmission
Nice production and tribute. Your editing skills have really improved.
Thanks for posting again! Addicted to your channel
Please do the merdock Illinois derailment like if u agree
Dude nice profile pic!
Thanks man love the videos
Cresent City was another bad one near the Illinois/Indiana State line. Wiped out almost the entire town center. I was born in 78 so it was way before my time. Used to drive through there all the time and even in the 80s, you can still see pieces of the damage
@@joshuarewerts8566 I was about to say
I like that the conductors are yelling but the dispatcher is so monotone
Thanks for making this there pal and keep up the good work 👍 and merry Christmas 🎁 🎄 thunderbolt siren 1000 productions and a happy new year 🎊
Whatever you did for the radio conversation was perfect
Cool video sad story
Dude, this is awesome. Big improvement from your earlier videos, I LOVE the editing style here. I think its good that your videos have a more solemn tone now, it's more fitting to the topic. Loved the dialogue scene too. Excited for future videos!
This reminds me of a dream I had once earlier this year that was in a similar setting as Cajon Pass with an ATSF blue bonnet f45 crashing while leading a local, it didn’t get too far damaged but it was spewing heavy, black smoke
whoa! dude you inproved alot this looks amazing!!!
HALLELUJAH! ANOTHER DOCUMENTARY!
Man another great one. Cheers mate hope there’s more to come.
Good job👍
Man, I do not know where and why I found you but I really enjoy these derailment and accident videos, they’re really interesting, you’re doing a great job.
Jesus the radio gives me chills
It’s very good to know that the crews of both trains survived, but I bet it wasn’t a happy thing to go through for them
2:31 that red signal looks extremely ghostly
The sound with it makes it very eerie.
It sounds scary as hell
Creeps me out, especially with the music
Now That's what i call a true "Train-related Horror movie"
Great to see you back! Love these videos!
Same here
Am I the only one that’s confused at the beginning
no , your not
yeah, same until I figured out this was a part 2
TrailsVonMudder What do you mean “part 2”?
1:46 come in UP helpers. Come in UP helpers
Love your railroad incident videos! I have a incident I'd like to suggest if you are able to fit more into your schedule. I live in Northeast Ohio and on October 10th, 2007 there was a tanker derailment near routes 2 and 44, which is also by a Lubrizol oil facility, but I don't believe it was their issue. few of the tankers caught on fire and messed up a lot of track in the area. Honestly, I have no idea what caused this and how it happened, althought I'm sure there is lots of local news stories from then that did explain everything. It's a small accident and didn't lead to any deaths, but it was a bizarre incident knowing things like that don't happen around here. Even if you don't make a video on it, keep up the great work!
I live next to train tracks and at night I can hear them going by and watching this and hearing them go by at the same time is the worst feeling ever
Woah that really happened
Yes
i am a train driver for Nofolk southern and i love your Vids keep up making awesome videos
9450 got sold to gecx it is now a leasing locomotive
Good to know it's still with us
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren yes good to know
CN is leasing it
I don't know why I like these types of videos so much, but never the less, I can't wait for the third accident documentary.
That was Chilling!!😨😨😱😱 on second thought, when's the 1996 one and can you do the Secaucus train collision 23 years later?
2:48 not to be rude but is that Joe Swanson from family guy talking on the dispatch
The santa fe locomotive in the thumbnail reminds me of AVWR 777
“It’s a train Dewey! Not a chipmunk!!!” Someone had to say it I’m sorry
@@maureenkoopman9378 Since nobody died in this accident and there were only light injuries, I believe a Dewey joke is appropriate here.
My wife and I and our son had gone up the pass (on Amtrak) the day before the SP coal train Derailment.
Eyewitness said "It sounded like a tornado."
*Get it? Whenever there's a tornado, witnesses always say "It sounded like a freight train." So I just switched the situation.
Are you sure you didn't base it off of the Peppercorn A1 express engine built in 2008?
I love where you voiced in this recreation of the radio
3:22 IT'S THE BITE OF '87!
More like The CRASH OF '94!
How?
5:25 how come you said all 5 Santa Fe locomotive were scrapped
But there were 4
I have an unfortunate feeling you're doing this next year.
Lol the radio reenactment the dispatcher is just yelling and the driver is just chill.
I feel like I made him too chill
where did 2 engines crashed?
*_T H E C A J O N P A S S_*
How many runaways on Cajon Pass were there? -
Yes
Please make video about Jyväskylä (Finland) train disaster "Jyväskylän junaturma"
Train was P 105 (P=express train "Pikajuna")
Like if you agree
Fantastic, it is just Great! As is all of your videos
Didn’t he already covered this
No.there has been multiple cajon pass runaways. He did a different one
@@redrexper6482 Your correct. Trains in a situation like this, meaning the crews can do little to nothing to prevent things like this
Dontavius gameplays like three runaway trains?
No, he covered the 1989 Cajon Pass runaway. This is the second one, from 1994. Thing is, a THIRD runaway occured here just 2 years later, in '96.
1989,1994. geez,i hope they don't mess around and check the breaks,then they won't crash. and get injured.
Your videos are getting better. Keep it up.
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Best one yet! Keep it up man!
Hi
Another great documentary! The radio conversation was low key really sad and chilling. Can't wait for more documentaries.
5:58 play's Thomas the tank engine end theme
Thomas in the 1996 Crash The Locos were 157 (GP60M) 3853 (GP50) 342 (GP60B) & 4031 (GP60)
And The GP60M & GP60B Were Repaired Since The Last Two Locomotives Were Scrapped
Comment:342 & 157 Were Repaired But They Looked Like A Total Loss
At 3:48 what engine is that
Thats what was left of one of the UP helpers. (An SD40-2)
The Radio Conversation Is Spine Chilling!
The call/radio was chilling
The dispatcher is so chill
This is my favorite intro so far I think. Very dramatic.
The classic locomotives can be replaced but life can’t glad the crew can see another day
Throughout all of these episodes of wrecks and no matter how long this series grows and how large the channel gets, I still feel that *this* is the scariest episode of the channel mainly because of no music and the chilling radio talk.
It was a brave thing that someone warned of the runaway, and at least no one was killed!
Man that radio conversation is just chilling
I like how the dispatch is now at all worried about the ball of fire 🤣 and is like:oh so you’re train is on fire? *I DON’T CARE!*
2:32. The red signals looked like the UFOs seen in the JAL 1628 UFO incident
That radio is bone chilling