as an engineer, I feel so bad for the train driver. he was stuck as the ONLY PERSON on this huge train with dangerous cargo in the middle of the night, followed all the proper procedures, and genuinely seemed to know what he was doing. on the calls he was clearly concerned with the fire and status of the train, so I can’t even imagine how devastated he must have felt when he learned it was his train that derailed. and then on top of that, having your employer turn around and try to pin ALL the blame on you when it was THEIR cost-cutting measures at fault… god, he must have so much trauma from that. of course the survivors will undoubtedly be scarred, but his anguish is of a whole different variety 💔
You are incorrect. He failed to follow procedures directly, that was just not as talked about in the video. He was alone, so the blame surely doesn't only fall on him- I mean, the engine shouldn't have caught fire anyway- but he still failed to apply the correct amount of brakes.
@@cherriberri8373It was unrealistic for 1 person to be expected to do all of the brakes (both physically and time-wise) and he followed what his company outlined. When a company puts employees in a position where they are set up to not be able to adequately perform all needed tasks (especially safety ones) then the blame is on the company and not one individual.
@@nicky740 I'd agree if he had done anything about it. Because again, despite you saying he followed procedures, he did NOT. This isn't comparable to the trucking companies overworking drivers so they fall asleep at the wheel. This is outright negligence, you don't walk away from a vehicle you're in charge of that is hauling multiple tons of toxic waste while knowing that you only set HALF of the brakes you needed. Do YOU walk away from your car with no brakes on, in neutral? I sure hope not. It's not like I'm trying to put all of the blame on the driver, anyway, I hope that's been clear. I just think it's very wrong to say he did no wrong and is innocent, because we literally know that's factually incorrect
@@cherriberri8373 I agree with you...he isn't wholly innocent but he also isn't wholly guilty either (which you said cause you're not trying to blame the engineer). The problem here is "people" want someone to blame and there is not one person to blame there are multiple. It was a perfect storm of many fail safes...well, failing. The government should have had stronger regulations about where to park the train. The company shouldn't have used low quality parts to fix the engine AND they need better procedures to prevent accidents (more people on the engine because all humans will err at some point, and procedures for calculating number of hand brakes etc). The engineer, regardless of policy or not, made a mistake by not properly testing the handbrakes by not turning off the airbrakes while he was there (either due to the lateness of the hour, or the fact he is human) and that one mistake, unfortunately, was the straw that broke the camels back. Had someone been there to check his work, or had he realized his mistake by double checking, he might have noticed it wasn't enough and applied more brakes which may have stopped the train from moving (regardless of the engine failure). I still feel bad for him because his company sounds like its run by a**holes who don't want to take responsibility for their shortcuts and "cost-saving measures". Also had this been any other cargo that wasn't combustible, I doubt the investigation would have been so intense; or at least the blame game between the company and its employees.
As a mechanic, the first one hit hard. There are so many components in car tailored specifically for the car that messing with any component will lead to some form of consequence, foreseen or unforeseen. What makes me especially mad is how not a thought was put into braking. 1. That truck is already heavy to begin with (sometimes under normal loads they can fail). 2. I guarantee you they probably didn't bother with the emergency brake when stretching the limo. 3. When a mechanic mentions a concern with your brakes, you MUST LISTEN TO THEM. I've worked on so many cars where owners brush off the brake jobs and flushes just because of the cost, but what is a brake job cost compared to your life. Stay safe out there.
Most limo's and other extension jobs are done by people not certified to do it and they just slap it together and upgrade nothing else at all, there are several good companies out there that do it right though. One of my neighbors has a small limo service and one of the limos is a 2018 Lexus. Its the most horrible booger welding job u have ever seen and they just used angled 3/8" steel for the Frame extensions with no other upgrades to engine, brakes, suspension, ect. Its the most horrible thing i have seen as a mechanic and i have done it all my life, I agree with u too on the worry something will happen on a car i did work on. As mechanics we hold peoples lives in our hands, then the customers wanna be cheap asses on things like brakes. They don't even think about getting better quality parts at all, just want the cheapest they can get every time. Its like i care more about their safety than they do, but yeah we mechanics have those dreams thinking about all the bolts on a big job we just did and similar, we are human and do make mistakes though cause every mechanic has THOSE stories about screw ups:)
Fair enough, their are too many people in your trade taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge. I believe that's why there is sometimes a lack of trust. I have been to places that literally charge you through the roof simply because they don't want you coming back. My car does not need 700 dollars worth of work every oil change 😂
I saw that video on this channel. And yes, I left a comment on it: ">It was cut in half and seamlessly welded together As a guy with technical education, this throws up oh so many red flags for me." Structural integrity and material resistance are a hell of a bitches.
@@lf2417please get a second opinion. Of it's regular maintenance it may be ok to out it off. The same stuff that caused this I see vehicles driving with every week. Bit they don't get seen by the dot and can get by a regular NYS inspection.
3:17 “a father and son in law” ripped my heart apart. i hope that father’s child, and son in law’s partner is able to heal from losing two insanely important people in such a split second.
@@strange144....i remember a recent news episode with that family. Their last name is King. It was devastating. They have one child still alive who lives elsewhere.
Being trapped in a massive, tightly-packed crowd can be absolutely terrifying. I've had the experience once, and it was like something out of a nightmare: I couldn't see the sky, could barely breathe, and was entirely disoriented. (I was saved by a tall woman, who grabbed my hand and led me through to a place which was merely crowded.)
Reminds me of The Who concert in Cincinnati. We had tickets but we came a little late. We were far back when the sound check happened and the crowd pushed forward towards the door. We stopped and decided it wasn't worth getting hurt to see The Who and left.
Thankfully I have never experienced that as an adult. I recall a similar experience when I was a toddler while christmas shopping in a very busy market. My mother had insisted that I should make sure I keep a hold of her hand. Somehow at one point I was barged away from my mother and her hand slipped from my grasp. I was being totally swamped by the crowd and even though I was screaming, it seemed to take forever for anyone to notice me down there. Finally some guy lifted me up above the crowd. One of the most scary experiences of my life which is probably why it has stuck in my memory for so long.
Ive had a similar experience. It was terrifying. I remember seeing all the shoes on the ground that had fallen off during the crowd jam. I was wearing a scarf and it got caught and literally almost strangled me. I couldn’t even lift my hands to my neck to try and help myself. Luckily through the movement it was actually removed and I was able to take a breath. Never again will I get myself in that situation again. I avoid all crowds now.
I feel so bad for the train engineer. From the sounds of it and what I've read, he did absolutely everything he could have done while just being one person to take care of an ENTIRE TRAIN. If what I'm reading is right too, he actually went to help move train cars out of the way to try and keep the situation from getting worse.
@@0ne01 Oh, absolutely. I genuinely don't think I could live with the guilt of knowing that, in the end, it was still me that caused all that to happen. Even tho I don't believe it was his fault AT ALL, his one possible mistake was just the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.
I can still never get over, how can ONE man be expected to be in charge of a giant train like that?! And surely someone should have been left on a train carrying such huge amounts of dangerous cargo. I’m not criticising the driver here for one moment, it seems to me that one man on his own could have done no more.
the ultimate expression of cutting corners and unreasonable expectations. My dad used to work in a metal ware house, got yelled for moving to slowly. 'Dosen't matter if its one pallet or 100 pallets you should get it all done in the same amount of time" Welp dad took him to the spot where pallets are stored, and asked how he was physically supposed to fit 100 pallets in there. Pencil pusher simply ranted at how he was right and my dad was wrong thats how these idiots think (or don't) they only see the world through their spread sheets. They don't care about how practical or impractical something is, you will do it because the numbers on their spreadsheet said so!!
Precision railroading was created by the bean counters so the C-suite could get huge bonuses. The short term thinking spurs accidents with long term effects.
Honestly, it wasn’t the fault of the driver at all. He was alone and also unaware of what would happen even when he did all of the proper procedures. He was genuinely devastated when he learned what happened, which only further incentivized his lack of knowing what would happen. He couldn’t predict the engine would be turned off. Had his colleague not stopped him, things would’ve likely not gone so south.
@@jays106 Yep. Here in Texas, big polluters (chemical plants) may get fined a few hundred thousand dollars if they exceed the limits prescribed. They make a few million dollars a day.
No that's false. Aviation safety is written in blood but not health and safety in general. There are plenty of rules and regulations that have been passed without tragedy associated with it but research. There are also regulations that are passed because of corruptions gov incompetence. lol.
I was in a crowd incident. It’s been like 5 years and I still have flashbacks. I was shoved to the ground and everyone kept going. I got a level 2 concussion, whiplash, sprained my back and shoulders, nerve damage in my right hand, sever muscle spasms in my back (I have spastic cerebral palsy. My legs were too weak to hold myself up with the crowd pushing and shoving), and sprained both my feet. Never underestimate a crowd. It is terrifying and is a horrible thing to happen. Stay safe yall. ❤
@@laurenm-w3634 I’m doing good now! I sadly had to get feeding tubes and stuff because my stomach isn’t working. But besides that I’m doing pretty decent. Working on getting a small business going and I’m going to the gym. In therapy. Working through stuff.
@@ollieishere4122 Never give up, when you do, that's when you fail. Keep faith and hope near. And never lose your sense of humor ... laughter is the best medicine, right?! Wishing you the very best. Greetings from Switzerland. 🥰
My parents used the Love Parade as an example of "this is why we don't let you do things sometimes" for ages. My sister had been begging to go to it but my parents wouldn't let her because we were only 13. There was a lot of I told you so after.
@@ShockInazuma Which is why nowadays has it's improvements. Back then it would've just been shown on TV at a specific time and if you missed it you missed it.
Mein Mann war damals da, der hatte irgendwann die Schnauze voll und hat sich und eine Freundin einfach die Autobahn hochgezogen. Das hat denen das Leben gerettet. Ich wäre damals auch mit gegangen, aber unser hirstorisches - Kino - Verein hatte zwei Erkrankungen und ich hab das Kartenabreißen übernommen.
1:26:41 The fake “town members” they set up to chase off anyone who wanted to talk to real town members is the scariest part of this whole thing imo… like “very obviously not locals” would get over the top “angry” at the media for filming, claiming no one was upset so they should just go away. Meanwhile, the real townspeople are STILL talking about how upset everyone is rightfully so, considering there’s still contamination and resulting lack of safety and that they’re still cleaning up…
The Lac-Megantic disaster has a very well made documentary about it on The CBC. About how US lawyers showed up conning people into thinking they were fighting for them, but were really fighting for the rail companies. If it were not for those con men, that town and it's people could have seen $Billions. Instead they only settled for $450M. Totally underhanded and deceitful. Give it a watch if you can find it.
@@chrisccc22The USA once more proving to be the shithole it’s always been. Sad to know people still say “America is the greatest” when it couldn’t be so far from the truth.
Also 160 +/hr speeds is literally bone breaking, and the fact that they had no seat belts means they smashed into walls, and into each other, breaking each other's bones to the point that there was no way you could help them, even if they survived at first. (Organs are crushed.) Which is why it's a horrible scene, and the guy only gets 5-15 years? This is why people make dangerous buiessness with no safety, you can make profit, and just run, if caught, who cares 10+ people for 5-15 years? That already is a deal.... I hope prisoners dislike that guy for what he did.
It seems almost all disasters on this channel are easy to prevent, but are never prevented because corporations would rather take shortcuts and spend less money so when a disaster does happen it’s the taxpayers that have to pay the bill.
Not just corporations, but most every regular employee as well. Don't believe me? Go to work at just about any job site and it's blatant. People routinely cut corners with their own safety everyday, and almost always by their own volition.
He failed to mention that, during the train derailment, the oil and subsequent fire ran into the town's storm drains. It spread much farther because of this, and even infiltrated people's homes via their basement sump pumps. Even houses a good distance away. So, even people who were farther away, and thought they might be safe after the initial explosion, were taken by surprise, had their houses burned, and lost their lives. :-(
@@thenubking9740 I watched a different video on the same disaster, which said it did. But maybe the video was wrong. I wasn't there. I don't know. What I definitely do know though, is that either way, it was a terrible tragedy.
Not sure why my replies aren't showing up, but the other video I watched about the derailment was by a channel called Fascinating Horror. I'd post the link, but maybe that's why UA-cam keeps deleting my replies. Anyway, you, and the other person, who was questioning me (who either blocked me, or deleted his reply/had his reply deleted for him) can look it up, if you think I'm wrong. He mentions what I said at 6:06 and 6:55 in his video. My apologies, he didn't specifically mention sump pumps. But he definitely DID say the fire spread via sewers, and people's basements. Like I said, I wasn't there. But Fascinating Horror is a great channel, disasters are their specialty, and they do really good research. So I didn't have much reason to think I should doubt them. But either way, *I* wasn't making anything up. There's your proof.
@@x3xmikey333 weird. I've seen other people put links in their comments. Maybe it's certain channels? Ah well, I got my point across anyway, so it's all good.
I agree. When I lived in NYC, I went to the Greenwich Village Halloween Parade. About a million people showed up and we all got stuck. I couldn't even lift my arms. People were screaming and people couldn't get out of the subway. It was horrible. NEVER EVER AGAIN.
I live an hour away from East Palestine. The weather was so weird for about a week after the controlled leak. The sky was dark and cloudy, looked stormy but there were no storms. There was a weird smell in the air that lingered and burned your nose and eyes. The rain burned when it touched your skin. Many animals were found dead around East Palestine and the water looked oily. Regardless of what they said, releasing that gas was NOT safe.
@@Roadent1241he doesn't even live in his own body in which he has even less control of. He's going to shit himself or forget he's at a press conference and not a day care center and walk out naked with that weird semi-ole man boner. He'll start singing, "Old grey mare she ain't what she used ta' be".
Regarding the first 'accident' . For a family to lose 4 sisters is beyond my comprehension . Every life lost is terrible , of course , but as a father , I can't imagine the horror . The immediate scene in that limousine would have beyond most people's comprehension . It's not often you see a first-responder show emotion like that .
@@Smegmatician accident implies a lack of fault. The company failing to maintain the vehicle and the driver being under the influence makes it not an accident.
As a Quebec citizen, Lac Mégantic was a tragedy that still can happen today. Nothing has been fixed and the trains still go through the town. Many town residents still suffer from PTSD and it is made worse with each train that still passes. A tragedy.
Why did they build their homes so close to the train tracks? In London homes are extremely close to train tracks but London is a tightly packed city unlike Canada
@@drunkenastarte5243cuz pipelines are not that much safer and have their own huge risks too. like the fact that if they get struck or hit they don't just pump out some oil. they pump out a ton in seconds
For the love parade stampede it kinda sounds like instead of it being a single persons fault it was a lot of peoples collective fault. With each person contributing small pieces of negligence to the situation. Therefore the court couldn’t hold any one person wholly responsible for the tragedy.
That's a completely logical conclusion. Sadly people always need someone to blame. People just think anything bad the happens had to be pre planned with ulterior motives.
Eh, bad planning played a huge part. Narrow area surrounded by fencing, railway, and highway. Walkways narrowed due to vendors and more. Closing off a pathway causing in and out on a single walkway. From there, it's pretty basic human psychology and crowd mechanics. Sure, there's plenty of fault to spread around, but ultimately bad decisions by organizers and later by police.
@Xaddre you should look up the Hillsborough disaster. Almost the same thing except the police played a direct role in people's deaths, then tried to blame the victims for their own deaths when they realized they screwed up.
That train accident is completely the fault at the train companies, saving money and forcing the drivers to take longer and longer trains BY THEMSELVES... These accidents happen too many times, still there is nothing done to it. Greedy companies getting richer at the expense of innocent lives...
Yep! And don't forget that many of those same companies that cut corners to save money at the cost of lives also have numerous lawmakers they fund via lobbying, so not only do they get away with it, they get to make sure the law only gives them a slap on the wrist at most.
The oil industry as a whole is corrupt and self-serving. The industry is designed to maximize profit without caring about the lives it impacts. Indigenous groups who have their land stolen to build pipelines, underpaid and mistreated oil sands workers, and irreparable damage to the environment are swept under the rug in favour of raking in cash. It's hell.
Crowd crushing incidents are the subject of almost every nightmare I have. I’m highly claustrophobic and very anxious so crowds already freak me out, but the amount of crowd crushes that have happened in the last decade alone is insane. It genuinely keeps me up at night.
I’m still very thankful it east Palestine train didn’t derail sooner. Luckily it was already on the outskirts of town. Any sooner and it would have been so much worse. Those tracks run straight through the heart of town. I’ll never forget my eyes, nose and throat burning the day after the burn when I finally went outside, 23 miles from the site. Norfolk southern needs held criminally negligent. This town continues to suffer even a year later. They are still cleaning it up
It's gonna happen again with this precision scheduling railroading PSR- BS you have in the states. Were safety is not number 1, it's all down on number 4.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow.Well depends on what he means by that. A catastrophic derailing WILL happen again in the states. Next time can well be in the middle of a big city.
It's not just Norfolk Southern who puts profits over people. Union Pacific routinely runs trains over three miles long out west. Admittedly, there's lots more physical room out there, however, east of the Mississippi, trains are routinely running 1-2 miles long which is insane. Most rail companies shrug off fines as their profits are enormous compared to the miniscule fines. And THAT's the bottom line.
The governments should increase the fines where they’re threats to the companies then. That’ll teach them to be more diligent and careful about what they do.
@@ShockInazuma The government should suspend their license to operate….In addition to a fine. Companies don’t care until their operations are suspended.
As a Canadian i dont know how i didn't know about the train derailment in Quebec. But i noticed and found it entertaining that on the phone calls they censor the english part of the conversations, but not the french.
"my kid said: we're going to die. And i said: no we're not, son. But i saw the news and some kids have... But mine haven't" fuck, that dad must feel such torturous combination of relief and grief
So, I live on the complete opposite side if the state from East Palestine, Ohio. When all that went down, we were getting warnings all the way over here to spend as little time in rain as possible due to the vinyl chloride potentially getting carried by rain clouds and spreading. I work outside, so I spend a decent amount of time exposed to weather year round. I remember that it was particularly rainy around that time, making it hard to not get exposed to the potentially contaminated rain. I almost face planted in my driveway attempting to jump a puddle simply because I wanted to minimize exposure. The rain made my skin feel weird, so I always tried to get it rinsed off quickly. Luckily I didn't get any ill effects, but it was something on a lot of people's minds.
@@vladimirvlasov4360thank god all those service folks got work that night, what would they have done if this man had properly maintained his vehicle! How kind of him! /s
Crowd crush situations are so fascinating and terrifying to me. The only danger is the amount of people packed into a space; no speeding cars, no natural disasters, just *too many people*. I'm on the short side (165 cm) so I tend to disappear into crowds. Imagining a situation like the Love Parade stampede makes my heart race. It's preventable as long as safety procedures are implemented and followed beforehand, but near-impossible to control if a crowd crush is in progress. Insane.
I remember the first incident as I live in NJ and it was well known. A family lost 4 of its daughters. They had to track the owners down, both foreigners, one who left to his home country. There are almost no regulations on these “custom” limousines. You couldn’t pay me to get into any of these types of vehicles. 5 to 10 years?!?! Despicable .
they tried to give him an even lighter slap on the wrist with only probation but the judge feeling the family's anger as well as public outrage rejected the plea agreement still got off way too easy!
@@kimmyb8276 Its so easy for you women to just scream "Jail him for life!!" Regardless of any details. Accident? Oh well. Jail him for life. Im really sick of people who have very little accountability for anything CONDEMNING everyone for everything.
@@TheScotian82”for you women” alright bro just say you get no bitches and that this fact makes you angry. Either way this case has literally nothing to do with your internalized rage. Who cares that you think women are evil and love locking up innocent people or whatever. 20 people died. The owner knew and purposefully ignored multiple warnings that were directly handed to him. If someone can get a life sentence for brutally killing 1 person, I see no reason why wanting that for someone who killed 20 to be unreasonable.
I remember not believing what was said about the air quality being fine once I saw the footage from Ohio, because that’s not going to just go away over night.
Yes and the particles will come down near the site of the accident or get dragged miles away. Some chemicals poison every thing around them for decades. No wonder cancer rates are that high.
Fines are not enough. Fines are nothing compared to profits. For every accident business should be shut down until every train, boat, plane, etc. has passed independent safety inspections. That will really hit these companies in the wallet.
Oh my, the Doña Paz incident! For a catastrophe of such scale, I'm shocked that it's not being covered or talked about enough! Imagine, only 25 PEOPLE OUT OF ~4000 survived. And what are the odds that out of those 25 survivors, are a father and his daughter!! I think that's worthy of a movie tribute. Jumping several storeys high into shark-infested waters and then those waters turning into a sea of fire, burning people alive... I can't even imagine!!
Spanish person here, the government not paying their share of the money after the flood somehow doesn't even surprise me. I've got a feeling that's somewhat heard of over here, even if I can't recall any examples right now.
Spanish too and I can confirm the victims received their compensation. It's bad enough that both administrations - national and regional - made relatives to go through such a lengthy legal process but after the National Court delivered the judgement in 2005, they received the money. The confusion may originate from the fact that there were 15 familes who chose not to join the appeal case and went to the European Human Rights Court in Strasbourg instead. When they heard about the 2005 judgement, they seeked to obtain compensation using the same procedure as the other claimants but that court process had already been filed in 2001. They still went ahead but the National Court finally declared that their case had no legal standing, on account once more that the process had been filed years earlier. They still demanded to be compensated out of court and the Aragon government gave each family 90k euros out of good will but the Spanish government refused since there was no legal judgement. And there were 2 other persons who, although they received the original (lower) compensation, were also too late to join the appeal that gave the victims a higher amount as their lawyer only told them that the process had been filed 2 years after the fact. The Supreme Court found him guilty of professional negligence and was ordered to pay +800k euros to his clients (his insurance did anyway).
I remember the same thing happening with an earthquake catastrophe in Italy (Abruzzo iirc). Iirc a lot of the aid that was sent never reached the place, and the affected places remained in ruins for years after.
Though it was still a complete tragedy, the story from China will always also be a bit heartwarming too due to the selflessness and help given from the locals who did everything to save as many runners as they could. They for sure saved many lives.
7:00 The law in 2018 in NY was that if you’re 16 or older, you don’t need to wear your seatbelt in the back. That recently changed to everyone must wear it, which I’m ecstatic about. Well, except school buses. Still not required.
@@Roadent1241I think the theory is that in an emergency it would be impossible for the driver to unbuckle everyone. The seats are designed to protect the kids in the event of a crash. They aren't built like city buses or coach buses
My now - Husband was in the Love - parade - desaster in Duisburg. He didnt realize it at first but got tired of waiting to go on in the crowd and blazing sun for 45 min. He is almost 1.9 meters and just pushed himself and a female friend through the crowd up the Autobahn ramp. That if course was forbidden, bit it saved their lifes. It was close to my home and I had been at the site before. But the worst chills I get come when I think that the love of my life could have perished that day if he was just a little less stubborn
@@Dovietail most likely not but enough palm grease and you can do what you want. These multi billion $ companies see fines as the cost of doing business and what it cost them to be able to get away with the safety violations follow the money!
Yeah if it was safety first all we could do was stay home and be safe and have nothing. I rode river boats and they were crazy about safety to the point that guys would hide in the boat if things went wrong and let the barges kill people on the bridge. I couldn't live with myself if I was hiding in the deck locker I'd be dying slow the whole time especially if it hurt someone. So for me it's my own personal safety second don't let my job kill the world just so I can hide somewhere and go home and cry.
While you aren't wrong the safety of innocent civilians was ignored on behalf of greed. However, you are way way way off base in labeling it a "national" motto, regardless of the nation. Most of these incidents didn't even happen in English speaking nations. Greed is a universal character amongst all human populations, to call it a "national" motto is just short sighted and ignorant.
9:41 People often forget that water has weight and mass that can be strong enough to lift cars, houses and people of the ground and quickly sweep them away. This is why it's always a good idea to know the environment you're going into if you're going out to some place like this, check the weather forecasts in advance and identify the safety and emergency locations in the event of an accident happening. People always tell me I'm just too paranoid, but I'd rather be that than feeling helpless in the middle of a crisis.
In the early 2000s (cant remember when) my family and i had gone to Death Valley, in like november. We were hiking in some narrows and felt some raindrops. Noped the fuck out of there real fast
Part of the reason for the Canadian train disaster was a consequence of one man crews. One person doing the work of a 2 person minimum job is exhausted both mentally and physically, if he had a conductor and or a break man with him, it may have been avoided, as the conductor on the ground would have noticed the air brakes were not released to preform a proper C-102 (hand brake train securement test). And when the brakes would have been released, the conductor would have seen the slack roll in, and know to apply more hand brakes. Disasters like this is the reason why both Canada and the US now have government regulations requiring minimum 2 person crews, to avoided things like this from happening again. …in fact it was this very disaster that that pushed Canada to mandate 2 person crews.
Speaking of tragic events that were easy to prevent ... As someone living in the Kansas City area there are 2 recent events that are still thought of: the water slide incident at Schlitterbahn in 2016 and the Table Rock Lake duck boat accident in 2018. Look these up if y'all want, but be prepared to be infuriated from the lack of care and accountability of the owners
The duck boat tragedy was so awful-almost an entire family, three generations, wiped out. The teenage girl who lost her dad and twin brother, who survived because she was pushed to the surface by the woman from the large family (who lost her husband and three kids). Another girl whose grandmothers last act was pushing her out the window to safety. Just so tragic.
Verrückt was a horrible idea. The guy who designed it just wanted to get the world record for tallest water slide. He was not an engineer, he did not have anyone review the plans, he did not test it thoroughly to ensure safety. As a result, a child was decapitated. I can't think of a worse way to die, and the scars it left on the family will never heal. Ironically, the dad was a state legislator that had loosened safety regulations for theme parks, only to strengthen them following his son's death.
I remember taking a trip to Philly years back, before the accident that killed the two Hungarian tourists, and I saw one of those duck boats full of people and immediately felt chills. I was a kid but I swore I'd never ride a duck boat if given the chance.
I have seen that first hand while hiking in the german alps. On the way up, there was a small creek flowing through a steep narrow ravine, with the path bridging back and forth across and snaking along the rock cliffs each side of the canyon. After a rest stop far higher up, we saw clouds below dropping large amounts of rain and waited until the weather cleared again before heading back down. Turns out, when we got back to the ravine the creek had swelled into a boiling torrent, the bridges which had previously had several meters of clearance above the water now being only a few centimeters above the foaming waves in some places and the path turned slippery and awash with spray. The trip down was a far more "interesting" experience despite all the guard rails, guide ropes and barriers you're supposed to use, good thing we had harnesses to attach to the safety lines.
@@Kr0noZ gravity, plus the accumulation of the water following the path of least resistance that has been carved out over countless years, is one hell of a thing.
Plea deals like the one in the limousine crash should never be allowed to happen in the first place. The fact that the limousine company killed twenty people and even had the option for a plea deal is absolutely disgusting.
Prosecutors could have charged Hussain, father and son, with 20 counts of second degree murder. In New York, intentionally providing this limo, knowing it was illegal, would have amounted to a charge of reckless endangerment. Reckless endangerment leading to death is second degree murder. If he had to be offered a plea, how about 60 years, with the possibility of parole? Conviction on 20 counts of second degree murder would have led to a sentence longer than several lifetimes.
sad thing is they tried to give him a plea deal of probation! luckily the judge listened to the family and the public outcry's and rejected it! I found it completely absurd that they even offered such a slimy deal!
All these stories really make the current pushback on more regulations across the board in nearly every industry even more terrifying. The ONE thing everyone should be in agreement on is more regulations, stricter punishments for failing inspections, and harsher consequences for when things inevitably go wrong.
Because regulations can damage safety too. Absurd regulations (which are many) increase the cost of the product and create a false sense of security. The problem is, people in the government have no interest in the safety of the people, they have interest in keeping their position, which generally means passing as many laws as possible - including the ones that attack people's freedom (like current proposed kill switch and tracking in cars). Government wants control, not safety. And when you control something to the point that it doesn't move, noone will be injured but aswell no progress in life will be made. I'm not against every regulation, but there is clearly a lot of nuance and unforeseen consequences of overregulating an industry. Very few people run businesses and see the situation from the other side. Reduced competition also harms progress.
Regarding the train derailment, which was ultimately caused by doing a bodge-job instead of a proper repair, I'm reminded of this quote - "The problem with economising is that it can be so expensive". Of course, it is a real tragedy that the cost was paid in human lives, and the company executives who decided practices and policies to be implemented by the company.
It really pisses me off that so many companies actually factor in the cost of death benefits to families just to keep doing business as usual instead of doing the right thing.
companies basically gamble, They hope that nothing happens and when it does they know most people take a fat check settlement and sign an NDA. Because the average person will never see a multi-million dollar payday, Even if they win in court the company's on staff lawyers will keep them in appeals until they die of old age.
The Love Parade one: my fear of crowds has been justified. I used to love going to concerts (in stadiums with seating). Then I went Black Friday shopping. No matter how much stores try to regulate the flow and keep crowding to a minimum, the few who ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE THAT NEW THING ON SALE will cause problems. I avoided most problems, but in line to check out, people were crowding around me and pushing and shoving and yelling. I was with my sister-in-law, and if she hadn't been there to calm me, I probably would have either collapsed or knocked people over to get out. After we finally got out, I just sobbed for 10 minutes. That's how I found out I can't handle crowds.
I wore one when we got given a limo once, having requested a taxi big enough to take a mobility scooter. They sent a limo. We were flying out that day so we took it. Very comfy ride. Driver lady was very confused that this Brit has been grown up strictly on seatbelt safety haha. Sorry I'm weird.
I think the meaning was that they could have strapped themselves when the disaster was apparently coming. There should have been time while the limo was speeding downhill for everyone the strap themselves and increase their chance of survival.
@@rosverlegaspo6752 Except that they're tucked out of sight. Took five minutes at a still level position knowing where they were for my driver to find one physically moving the seats, you're not going to manage when gravity is trying to drag you away and you don't know where they're tucked in 30 seconds.
@@Roadent1241 At 6:50 the video says that there are some lap and shoulder belts visible. It was those belts that they are wondering about. But then again, people do get very complacent and not taking any precaution or learn what to do. Most people succumb to panicking instead of taking proper actions in that few critical seconds.
I live in a university town, and I'm not that far from the university dorms, fraternities/sororities. Not uncommon to see a party bus come by packed full of young people dancing to loud music, lights flashing, drinks in hand. Of course they aren't wearing seat belts! They're DANCING! To be fair, when I do see these party buses, which is almost every weekend now, the drivers are NOT going very fast. Perhaps 20 to 25 mph. The route to a popular outdoor space is on my street, so as mentioned, I tend to see these hopping and rocking buses all the time lol. I can't imagine trying to drive a vehicle with 30 or more people crammed in, all high energy, intoxicated, pounding music/flashing lights, screaming from the guests and trying to maintain keeping the vehicle safe on the road. Insane! If I were in university and my early 20's again, I'd be on one of them myself! They didn't have those when I was young and it would have been awesome to have a portable party :D
The amount of disastrous limousine crashes makes more sense when you realize the entire concept of a limousine was mostly invented to easily recycle hot cars into something unregulated. Most limos are chopped up from older, shittier cars and just welded together. Trashy in, trashy out!
First of all it costs a lot of money to cut a car and stretch it. Secondly no one... Literally no one cuts a junk in half and spend time and money to put it back together. You can say the owner neglected the limo... Don't go around saying someone would stretch a junk for close to 100k. It makes you not smart.
They are regulated. They have also made more regulations. Problem is the driver and owner violated direct orders and several laws. Problem was there was no way for them to legally arrest the vehicle like they do with ships.
I mean hearses are also basically a car cut apart and a carriage added to the back end. They go through a lot of work and it's a very spendy thing to do. Roll bars are hidden in the top even. There was an instance I remember hearing about of one of those having a rollover accident and still being able to drive off afterwards. They, like limos don't go through that much work for a piece of crap. That's just someone not taking care of the vehicle.
I work in Quality/Compliance field; videos like this shows how important my job is... audits, inspections, training, safety briefings, and so many other aspects of quality assurance, are really necessary. I just can not believe the behavior of some of the authorities, complete disregard for people's safety and well-being 😔
I heard recently that cars are meant to crumble so they can absorb the impact of accidents. The fact being the limo was "eerily intact" was likely another part of the problem, other than...everything else about it
That's one of the many reasons why the cybertruck hasn't been sold in the UK as it doesn't have a crumplezone which is a vital safety mechanism due to it taking most of the impacts force away So if you think of your fist as the passenger compartment in a car and you punch a wall without anything your hand is going to get injured but if you say put a pillow on the wall before your hand the injuries you'll sustain will be less as that pillow takes most of the forward force away because it slows your hand down that's why cars have crumplezones to minimise major injuries
@@project014 The cybertruck is the reason why I learned about the crumplezones to begin with funny enough. The analogy was a little confusing though. Might need an explanation for why it works without the analogy mixed into it. Like explain without the analogy and then make the comparison if that makes sense? Not that its needed since I understand the basics of "if the car doesn't crumble, then its unsafe"
@@utatanepiko7087 the reason a crumple zone is necessary for safety is because it makes it such that a cars deceleration takes place over a longer period of time, thus meaning the deceleration is lower Basically, a car with no crumple zones will hit something, and almost instantly stop, which would exert a much less survivable force than a car with crumple zones, which takes more time to slow down
@@a_paperweight Ah so like, its better to brake before you need to than brake suddenly due to being jerked around? I could imagine a lack of crumble zone is why people die from the whiplash in their neck
I can't believe the railway got away with it. I am in tears. A whole town. They tried to scapegoat their own people. That is beyond disgusting. Those three men despite having minimal responsibility probably, TO THIS DAY, have more guilt and TRAUMA from that incident than any of the executives and higher ups at the railway company. If the town got together and strung the railway execs up like Mussolini the cops would either look away or straight up join in. That whole thing, and everything else here, is unacceptable. Yet all people tend to do is shrug their shoulders and go "what am I supposed to do?"
That train derailment in ohio was such a shit show. Only $1,000 for the residents? Why wouldnt they pump the stuff into a new car rather than burn it off? That water isnt safe to drink. Dead fish all down towards the ohio river.
@kamakaziozzie3038 yea. 26 billion to Israel and 8 billion to Taiwan too. People of Ukraine got something like a 600 dollar stimulus while the US citizens of Maui only received 400 and they lost EVERYTHING in that fire.
@@Swishersweetcigarilo those poor people living in a tropical paradise with insurance 😢 my heart bleeds. Way worse than living in an actual war zone for years🙃
That was great. You presented these catastrophes with facts that I'd not heard before. Plus, it was well worded and included timelines. I know you did your research.
From NE Ohio, THANK YOU for covering the East Palestine, Ohio train disaster. I got a toxic air warning on my phone that day. I am about 1.5 hrs north of the derailment spot (located in the NE tip of the state). Although I am 1.5 hrs away, it is all small towns from here south to East Palestine, other than Youngstown. It affected the entire area as we can relate to what an impact it was, is and will be for YEARS and most likely forever, on such a tiny town. Our surrounding areas would GLADLY take in the East Palestine residents. They are ALWAYS welcome to come north to our town to help save their health long-term. NFS OWES these residents' loads of $$$. This is THEIR fault. GIVE THEM the $$$ they DESERVE, so they can move and help to preserve their health and future. I have been absolutely LIVID for the residents there.
1:03:11 - God bless the locals for coming to the aid of the runners. By bringing them warm clothing and blankets, and getting them to shelter within the caves, they saved them from certain death.
1st incident. People don't realise how much of an impact this has not just on families but front line rescue workers. We had a stupid incident where a few fellas in a fast Audi lost control in an underpass and destroyed a taxi. Multiple lives including the Audi occupants lost. But it was the emergency services that had to deal with it and see the devastation first hand including 'injuries incompatible with life' ie., twisted/bent necks and spines etc.
Love Parade: Why didn’t the police cordons stop people going in but still let people out? Why didn’t the organizers split the ramp into inflow and outflow sections?
it turned out, they had completely underestimated just how massive that event was. they simply could not handle the amount of people that wanted to go in at that point. the crowd was getting impatient and frustrated and started to force their way in..unaware of the things going on on the other side... and there was poor communication between the police and the people responsible for security...etc. i live in the “Ruhrgebiet“ near duisburg. i remember that day bc we were about to go, but suddenly me and my best friend decided not to...our ex boyfriends and people that wanted to attend with us were really angry about us switching plans last minute. and causing drama...etc.. so we stayed home, with our exes and like two others... the others went anyway. we're watching the live stream on the internet, when all of a sudden, the Video went black with a message like...“we currently have some issues with the livestream ..or some technical issues...“ i don't remember exactly... so we tried to watch another one...there were several livestreams of the event that day, some were just the audio and some video... and every other one we tried just stopped... and i remember that, all the people at home and on the way to the parade were starting to get concerned. i don't know how to explain this in english ...but like..the comment sections of these live steams we're full with people asking what's going on etc...thats how i know the fact, that alot of people started to get worried... there was also no chance to call your friends or family who were at the parade because the whole phone is it called network?..service? broke down...there were no calls going through. so there was no way to contact anyone to find out what's happening....i remember how devastating all that was...like not for me as an individual person...but for the whole community...for everyone... my heart goes out to the families and friends of the victims of this terrible tragedy, to everyone who survived that tragedy and has to live with the horrible memories of what they went through. i hope you're doing ok. i wish you all the best. ps- i hope this makes sense...please don't judge my grammar or my choice of words...but it's 3am right now in germany and usually i don't comment that much on anything...but i just felt the need to say how devastating and how sad this day was... and still is...but i hope we learn from this
@willambonney, there's many ship disasters that should be better known, as they had much greater loss of life. However, the Titanic had the attention of the masses rich and poor before sailing, partly at least due to media hype, add in the wealthy/celebrity names on her first and only voyage and nearly everyone had at least heard of her. I think the first movie about the sinking happened like only a year after said tragedy causing a bit of scandal for multiple reasons. The movies, the finding, the most recent craziness and tragedy surrounding the Titanic keeps her in the forefront while other ship/ferry tragedies fade away to be remembered only by those who were directly impacted or by people who seek to learn of such tragedies and thus keep the memories alive. Fire, drowning, sharks, neglect, inattention this particular one gives me hebejees of the worst sort.
That’s why when dangerous or questionable industrial or commercial projects are touted to “be safe” I cringe. Because there are two words responsible for 99% of all tragedies and man made disasters….HUMAN ERROR. Or arrogance or stupidity or hubris, etc., etc……
I was in 10th grade when the Schoharie Limo accident happened, live real close to where it all occured. I had to do a book report for English class on why safety is key even when it isn't inherently obvious.
Video is wrong. The limo had seatbelts. None of the passengers chose to wear a seatbelt and they all died from the force of the impact. The NTSB stated they know none of the passengers were wearing the seatbelts as they were still tucked under the seat cushions. NTSB report stated some passengers might have survived if they wore seatbelts.
While all of these tragedies are terrible, in my personal opinion, the Dona Paz ferry is perhaps the most horrifying. Over 4,000 on the ship and only 23 survived. Only a little over 200 bodies recovered. One fourth of the estimated victims being children under the age of six. The lack of documentation means that entire families could be resting at the bottom of the ocean, that were never found or even known. And absolutely nobody held accountable, and 5,000 killed by the same shipping company over 11 years, yet nothing has been done. Absolutely horrific.
This is basically every company now. Companies literally do not care about the health and safety of their clients, customers, and especially, their staff. As long as they're making profit and lining their own pockets with bonuses their employees earned for them, they're happy. Absolutely disgusting, every single one of these CEOs and executives should face serious repercussions for anything like happens like this.
The crowd crushing thing still boggles my mind. I get that its a wave like one person in the back could start a ripple effect that push more and more. But I can't wrap my head around it, why can't the people in the back leave room for others, why keep pushing until they're against each other? It has to start from somewhere and continues to pressure. It's like a vehicle jam, all it would take are vehicles in the back to give room so the next can back up and so on and so forth. This one likely was caused by police blockades but still... if someone is stuck, why keep trying to squeeze through? I guess a good idea to have entrance and exit routes else you have people running into each other.
It is a long line of people and the ones toward the middle and back can't tell what is going on at the front. By the time they notice the crowd getting dense enough to make them want to back up, they can't because there are so many people behind them. That's why it is important that a) spaces used by large crowds be designed so that there aren't these sort of inescapable funnel points b) crowds be directed by people who have an overview (often literally, from a raised platform) and communicate with radios
It was the triple cordons that made that situation worse. Altho it would have been much worse if they hadn't made those cordons, as that would mean that people would just keep pouring in. It's a paradox. Instead they should have created two cordons and let one side become exit. The problem was from the start . Allowing the same route to become entry and exit without any dividers. There should have been triple dividers on the ramp two ins and 1 out and use the second ramp as only exit, No entry. That would have prevented this from escalating.
Having walked with people who constantly have no sense or self awareness, blocking main routes, ignoring crowd controllers and potentially causing accidents if I didn't forcefully direct them properly, I can easily see how a dozen twits can begin crowds and collisions
I remember the train crash in Quebec I’m in BC Canada and I live in a small town and I lived one block from the train tracks, we mainly have coal going by but we do flammable things through like oil. Everyone in my town lives close to the tracks. This scared the shit out of me and I couldn’t sleep for weeks! It was 2013 and I was 18yrs old
The crowd crush one is probably one of my biggest fears and also the reason why I don’t mess with crowds. Once it starts, there’s no way out other than by hurting other people.
The german music festival incident reminds me of the recent halloween crowd crush in seoul (in 2022). More dead but less injured (159 dead but only around 200 injured). It's horrible that these things can happen over and over again without being able to stop history from repeating itself.
Thanks for publishing this information - As the NTSB spokeswoman noted - There are no industrial accidents - These disasters are preventable - This is a great object lesson in public policy generally - Lack of regulation also results in low wages of millions of workers - Bad regulation results in lack of adequate teaching of young people about the meaning of trade unionism - In adequate housing!
I remember being at my aunties house when the love parade happened. My cousin went there and when we saw the news we were scared to death. We're so lucky nothing happened to her that day but man I remember the fear we felt when we didn't reach her cellphone
The Lac-Mégantic rail disaster is always the one that hurts the most. Those that died were regular folk out enjoying a fun evening with one another. Most were young adults full of hopes and dreams, looking forward to long, productive lives. Many of these people were parents and left orphaned children. There was no warning whatsoever and no escape. It was 72 full tanker cars. All the downtown, all the primary businesses, historical records, library, bank, post office, and other businesses were obliterated in an instant. View via Google Earth and see the before and after images. It is horrific. That isn't even the end of the tragedy. Vast areas of land became highly contaminated so no rebuilding without large amounts of effort, money and time. The drinking water, rivers and ponds were contaminated for a long time. We all payed for this tragedy and the resulting clean up because the rail companies didn't. They paid off their executives and filed for chapter 11. The worst was the finger pointing afterward. Everyone pointed to someone else. Firefighters, rail company, train personnel, government regulators, etc. Nobody really accepted the blame so the survivors were left without answers. The rail company actually opposed moving the tracks from the downtown afterward. In fact the rail companies opposed any regulatory changes aimed at reducing a re-occurrence of such a tragedy. Even Greenpeace decided within hours to stand on the backs of the victims, both dead and survivors, to politicize this tragedy and denounce oil. I'm sure their ships and vehicles only run on love and not on fuel oil or bunker oil, otherwise it would be quite hypocritical. There were bright lights. Firefighters from the state of Maine quickly arrived to help which was s true act of kindness. There was support expressed by all levels of the Canadian and American governments, France, the UK and the Royal family, and other countries. The pope spoke about the tragedy and offered special blessings, important to the Catholics in the region. The huge support of Americans was fantastic. The majority leader of Maine expressed his condolences in French which was highly appreciated by all people of the town, the province and Canada. In the end the federal government passed much stricter laws, against the protests by the rail executives, for better rail cars, better procedures, requirements of personnel to stay with parked locomotives, insurance requirements, etc. It even affected regulations in the USA. The Quebec government finally approved a bypass rail line in 2023. I cannot imagine why it took so long. Leaving the tracks in place is like leaving a fatal car wreck in the middle of town. A terrible tragedy that affected regular good people that did not place themselves at any risk, and it had a profound, long lasting impact on survivors. Beyond the lives lost was the extreme environmental damage and the total historical loss that cannot be replaced. It is the worst kind of disaster. I didn't personally know any of the victims but they were part of us. Just regular good folk. Our people.
Someone I knew lived in a motel that shahed owned. Legend goes that shahed left the company and at least the motel (which was about as safe as the limo) to his son for cheep and fled because he knew what he had going was bad. The son wasn’t informed what he was stepping into when he received these “gifts” he let things run as normal and never stepped into a heavy management roll. Shaheds son got super screwed over, the limo company went down and the motel was condemn. This motel is now the McGregor motel on route 9 in Wilton ny
oh please, the father left the son the business months before the limo tragedy. in the video it mentions how many times regulators had informed them how unfit ALL his vehicles were. Shashed had many warnings, time, and opportunities to correct those wrongs and instead he decided to conceal them and keep operating as usual. There's no way he didn't know, even if he wasn't as involved in the day to day. that's bs.
After some quick and horrifying math. i determined that LESS THAN 0.01% of estimated people involved in the Dona Paz tragedy survived. 4300 * 0.01 = 43 So if the number of survivors is 23, its actually less than half a percent survival rate if I'm correct on the math. Easily the worst peacetime maritime disaster on record. Haunting. Tragic. Preventable.
1. The hyped up inspection law works only if the send their vehicles for inspection and obey the orders to repair. Since the limo involved, had it's inspection sticker removed, the improved laws would not have prevented this tragedy.
yeah the “new” laws that was implied after that accident, got no meaning at all. so you car is not safe? oh here you got it back with a sticker on it. so the only thing that would help here, is if the car got locked away until it passes safely check. and the company could prove they have drivers that can actually drive a long car like that.
@@lf2417you can still shift into a lower gear. That’s what the numbers are all about in the shifter designations, like 6,5,4,3,2, and 1, or when I was growing up, they said L2 and L1.
@organrick true! For sure put it into low gear. Also some automatic cars have those shifter pedals on the gear shifter so you can manually shift in those cars too.
I remember first learning about the M.V. Doña Paz. It's horrifying how the ship just burst into flames, with the passengers having little to no warning. And then people compare it to the R.M.S Titanic. There was a clear difference in these disasters, though, people on Titanic had time to reach safety before the ship took its final Plunge, while on the Doña Paz, the passengers didn't have any time and there wasnt any lifeboats available. Though both of these disaters were tragic, the Doña Paz was more horrifying, not only for the crew but also for the passengers. RIP to all of the victims. 🕊
That one made me feel so bad for that engineer/operator! He clearly had a lot of experience and took his job seriously, but when the company needed someone to blame (other than themselves for their ignoring safety regulations to save a buck ofc 🙄), they tried to pin it on him. Glad to hear he was acquitted.
as an engineer, I feel so bad for the train driver. he was stuck as the ONLY PERSON on this huge train with dangerous cargo in the middle of the night, followed all the proper procedures, and genuinely seemed to know what he was doing. on the calls he was clearly concerned with the fire and status of the train, so I can’t even imagine how devastated he must have felt when he learned it was his train that derailed. and then on top of that, having your employer turn around and try to pin ALL the blame on you when it was THEIR cost-cutting measures at fault… god, he must have so much trauma from that. of course the survivors will undoubtedly be scarred, but his anguish is of a whole different variety 💔
You are incorrect. He failed to follow procedures directly, that was just not as talked about in the video.
He was alone, so the blame surely doesn't only fall on him- I mean, the engine shouldn't have caught fire anyway- but he still failed to apply the correct amount of brakes.
@@cherriberri8373It was unrealistic for 1 person to be expected to do all of the brakes (both physically and time-wise) and he followed what his company outlined. When a company puts employees in a position where they are set up to not be able to adequately perform all needed tasks (especially safety ones) then the blame is on the company and not one individual.
@@nicky740 I'd agree if he had done anything about it. Because again, despite you saying he followed procedures, he did NOT.
This isn't comparable to the trucking companies overworking drivers so they fall asleep at the wheel. This is outright negligence, you don't walk away from a vehicle you're in charge of that is hauling multiple tons of toxic waste while knowing that you only set HALF of the brakes you needed.
Do YOU walk away from your car with no brakes on, in neutral? I sure hope not.
It's not like I'm trying to put all of the blame on the driver, anyway, I hope that's been clear. I just think it's very wrong to say he did no wrong and is innocent, because we literally know that's factually incorrect
That man probably feels for guilt to this day than any of the execs ever did.
@@cherriberri8373 I agree with you...he isn't wholly innocent but he also isn't wholly guilty either (which you said cause you're not trying to blame the engineer).
The problem here is "people" want someone to blame and there is not one person to blame there are multiple. It was a perfect storm of many fail safes...well, failing. The government should have had stronger regulations about where to park the train. The company shouldn't have used low quality parts to fix the engine AND they need better procedures to prevent accidents (more people on the engine because all humans will err at some point, and procedures for calculating number of hand brakes etc). The engineer, regardless of policy or not, made a mistake by not properly testing the handbrakes by not turning off the airbrakes while he was there (either due to the lateness of the hour, or the fact he is human) and that one mistake, unfortunately, was the straw that broke the camels back. Had someone been there to check his work, or had he realized his mistake by double checking, he might have noticed it wasn't enough and applied more brakes which may have stopped the train from moving (regardless of the engine failure).
I still feel bad for him because his company sounds like its run by a**holes who don't want to take responsibility for their shortcuts and "cost-saving measures". Also had this been any other cargo that wasn't combustible, I doubt the investigation would have been so intense; or at least the blame game between the company and its employees.
As a mechanic, the first one hit hard. There are so many components in car tailored specifically for the car that messing with any component will lead to some form of consequence, foreseen or unforeseen. What makes me especially mad is how not a thought was put into braking. 1. That truck is already heavy to begin with (sometimes under normal loads they can fail). 2. I guarantee you they probably didn't bother with the emergency brake when stretching the limo. 3. When a mechanic mentions a concern with your brakes, you MUST LISTEN TO THEM. I've worked on so many cars where owners brush off the brake jobs and flushes just because of the cost, but what is a brake job cost compared to your life. Stay safe out there.
Most limo's and other extension jobs are done by people not certified to do it and they just slap it together and upgrade nothing else at all, there are several good companies out there that do it right though. One of my neighbors has a small limo service and one of the limos is a 2018 Lexus. Its the most horrible booger welding job u have ever seen and they just used angled 3/8" steel for the Frame extensions with no other upgrades to engine, brakes, suspension, ect. Its the most horrible thing i have seen as a mechanic and i have done it all my life, I agree with u too on the worry something will happen on a car i did work on. As mechanics we hold peoples lives in our hands, then the customers wanna be cheap asses on things like brakes. They don't even think about getting better quality parts at all, just want the cheapest they can get every time. Its like i care more about their safety than they do, but yeah we mechanics have those dreams thinking about all the bolts on a big job we just did and similar, we are human and do make mistakes though cause every mechanic has THOSE stories about screw ups:)
Fair enough, their are too many people in your trade taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge. I believe that's why there is sometimes a lack of trust. I have been to places that literally charge you through the roof simply because they don't want you coming back. My car does not need 700 dollars worth of work every oil change 😂
I saw that video on this channel. And yes, I left a comment on it:
">It was cut in half and seamlessly welded together
As a guy with technical education, this throws up oh so many red flags for me."
Structural integrity and material resistance are a hell of a bitches.
@@lf2417please get a second opinion. Of it's regular maintenance it may be ok to out it off. The same stuff that caused this I see vehicles driving with every week. Bit they don't get seen by the dot and can get by a regular NYS inspection.
@@D95SI420 is there a way to report them for using unsafe vehicles? You should do that if you can.
3:17 “a father and son in law” ripped my heart apart. i hope that father’s child, and son in law’s partner is able to heal from losing two insanely important people in such a split second.
Just like the four sisters in the car, that must have been horrific for the parents :( I'd probably throw myself off a building or something
For some reason that didn't click with me. That's so awful.
@@strange144....i remember a recent news episode with that family. Their last name is King. It was devastating. They have one child still alive who lives elsewhere.
That was exactly where my brain went. Someone lost their father and their husband. Omg the heartbreak!
Womp Womp 😂😂 The last thing that went through their mind in that split second was the interior of the limo, and the other people bouncing around 😂
Being trapped in a massive, tightly-packed crowd can be absolutely terrifying. I've had the experience once, and it was like something out of a nightmare: I couldn't see the sky, could barely breathe, and was entirely disoriented.
(I was saved by a tall woman, who grabbed my hand and led me through to a place which was merely crowded.)
That must have been so scary, thank goodness for your samaritan.xx
Reminds me of The Who concert in Cincinnati. We had tickets but we came a little late. We were far back when the sound check happened and the crowd pushed forward towards the door. We stopped and decided it wasn't worth getting hurt to see The Who and left.
Saved by Hasshaku-sama.
Thankfully I have never experienced that as an adult. I recall a similar experience when I was a toddler while christmas shopping in a very busy market. My mother had insisted that I should make sure I keep a hold of her hand. Somehow at one point I was barged away from my mother and her hand slipped from my grasp. I was being totally swamped by the crowd and even though I was screaming, it seemed to take forever for anyone to notice me down there. Finally some guy lifted me up above the crowd. One of the most scary experiences of my life which is probably why it has stuck in my memory for so long.
Ive had a similar experience. It was terrifying. I remember seeing all the shoes on the ground that had fallen off during the crowd jam. I was wearing a scarf and it got caught and literally almost strangled me. I couldn’t even lift my hands to my neck to try and help myself. Luckily through the movement it was actually removed and I was able to take a breath. Never again will I get myself in that situation again. I avoid all crowds now.
I feel so bad for the train engineer. From the sounds of it and what I've read, he did absolutely everything he could have done while just being one person to take care of an ENTIRE TRAIN. If what I'm reading is right too, he actually went to help move train cars out of the way to try and keep the situation from getting worse.
That man probably feels for guilt and is experiencing more trauma from that than any of the execs at the railway company too.
@@0ne01 Oh, absolutely. I genuinely don't think I could live with the guilt of knowing that, in the end, it was still me that caused all that to happen. Even tho I don't believe it was his fault AT ALL, his one possible mistake was just the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.
I can still never get over, how can ONE man be expected to be in charge of a giant train like that?! And surely someone should have been left on a train carrying such huge amounts of dangerous cargo. I’m not criticising the driver here for one moment, it seems to me that one man on his own could have done no more.
the ultimate expression of cutting corners and unreasonable expectations. My dad used to work in a metal ware house, got yelled for moving to slowly. 'Dosen't matter if its one pallet or 100 pallets you should get it all done in the same amount of time"
Welp dad took him to the spot where pallets are stored, and asked how he was physically supposed to fit 100 pallets in there. Pencil pusher simply ranted at how he was right and my dad was wrong
thats how these idiots think (or don't) they only see the world through their spread sheets. They don't care about how practical or impractical something is, you will do it because the numbers on their spreadsheet said so!!
@@markfreeman4727 "OK, Mr spreadsheet computer Man, you do it."
Precision railroading was created by the bean counters so the C-suite could get huge bonuses. The short term thinking spurs accidents with long term effects.
Honestly, it wasn’t the fault of the driver at all. He was alone and also unaware of what would happen even when he did all of the proper procedures. He was genuinely devastated when he learned what happened, which only further incentivized his lack of knowing what would happen. He couldn’t predict the engine would be turned off. Had his colleague not stopped him, things would’ve likely not gone so south.
I feel bad for harding, it seemed he did his best and was devastated, he definitely should have been assigned a team to manage the train. Poor man
"Health and Safety Regulations have been written in blood" - things only become law due to deadly experience.
and even then if you have enough money you get away with it. A fine just becomes the cost to do whatever is that is not allowed
Unfortunately, all too true. 😢
A related saying is that every warning sign and label, no matter how stupid or obvious, is there because someone actually did it.
@@jays106 Yep. Here in Texas, big polluters (chemical plants) may get fined a few hundred thousand dollars if they exceed the limits prescribed.
They make a few million dollars a day.
No that's false. Aviation safety is written in blood but not health and safety in general. There are plenty of rules and regulations that have been passed without tragedy associated with it but research. There are also regulations that are passed because of corruptions gov incompetence. lol.
I was in a crowd incident. It’s been like 5 years and I still have flashbacks. I was shoved to the ground and everyone kept going. I got a level 2 concussion, whiplash, sprained my back and shoulders, nerve damage in my right hand, sever muscle spasms in my back (I have spastic cerebral palsy. My legs were too weak to hold myself up with the crowd pushing and shoving), and sprained both my feet. Never underestimate a crowd. It is terrifying and is a horrible thing to happen. Stay safe yall. ❤
That sounds awful,hope your doing better now :)
@@laurenm-w3634 I’m doing good now! I sadly had to get feeding tubes and stuff because my stomach isn’t working. But besides that I’m doing pretty decent. Working on getting a small business going and I’m going to the gym. In therapy. Working through stuff.
@@ollieishere4122 Never give up, when you do, that's when you fail. Keep faith and hope near. And never lose your sense of humor ... laughter is the best medicine, right?! Wishing you the very best. Greetings from Switzerland. 🥰
Yo that makes me sad I wanna hug you
My parents used the Love Parade as an example of "this is why we don't let you do things sometimes" for ages. My sister had been begging to go to it but my parents wouldn't let her because we were only 13. There was a lot of I told you so after.
Kann ich verstehen. Sie meinen es nur gut, auch wenn es schwer ist als Jugendliche sowas zu akzeptieren. Vorallem Wenn Freunde hin dürfen.
The plus side of the internet and livestreams, as the positive side.
@@Roadent1241The incident happened in 2010, an era where live-streaming didn’t exist and the internet still in its infancy.
@@ShockInazuma Which is why nowadays has it's improvements. Back then it would've just been shown on TV at a specific time and if you missed it you missed it.
Mein Mann war damals da, der hatte irgendwann die Schnauze voll und hat sich und eine Freundin einfach die Autobahn hochgezogen. Das hat denen das Leben gerettet. Ich wäre damals auch mit gegangen, aber unser hirstorisches - Kino - Verein hatte zwei Erkrankungen und ich hab das Kartenabreißen übernommen.
1:26:41 The fake “town members” they set up to chase off anyone who wanted to talk to real town members is the scariest part of this whole thing imo… like “very obviously not locals” would get over the top “angry” at the media for filming, claiming no one was upset so they should just go away. Meanwhile, the real townspeople are STILL talking about how upset everyone is rightfully so, considering there’s still contamination and resulting lack of safety and that they’re still cleaning up…
The Lac-Megantic disaster has a very well made documentary about it on The CBC. About how US lawyers showed up conning people into thinking they were fighting for them, but were really fighting for the rail companies.
If it were not for those con men, that town and it's people could have seen $Billions. Instead they only settled for $450M. Totally underhanded and deceitful. Give it a watch if you can find it.
@@chrisccc22The USA once more proving to be the shithole it’s always been.
Sad to know people still say “America is the greatest” when it couldn’t be so far from the truth.
probably FBI undercover agents. Thanks, Brandon.
If thats true about 'crisis actors' impersonating locals then that is a new low for the sick and twisted minds behind it all.
The federal government was VERY eager to sweep this under the rug and for everyone to forget about it. Very suspicious if you ask me.
the limo one always scared me bc it was still pretty intact and yet no survivors.
It being intact is exactly why it has no survivors
@@kai325d3facts cars are designed to crumble to absorb shock
Also 160 +/hr speeds is literally bone breaking, and the fact that they had no seat belts means they smashed into walls, and into each other, breaking each other's bones to the point that there was no way you could help them, even if they survived at first. (Organs are crushed.) Which is why it's a horrible scene, and the guy only gets 5-15 years? This is why people make dangerous buiessness with no safety, you can make profit, and just run, if caught, who cares 10+ people for 5-15 years? That already is a deal.... I hope prisoners dislike that guy for what he did.
@@MrHeroicDemon Oh I'm sure they will....especially if they're in for longer for worse.
The motel he owned looked like what the limo should have looked like
It seems almost all disasters on this channel are easy to prevent, but are never prevented because corporations would rather take shortcuts and spend less money so when a disaster does happen it’s the taxpayers that have to pay the bill.
You just described our police state, now cognitive dissonance kicks in.
Not just corporations, but most every regular employee as well. Don't believe me? Go to work at just about any job site and it's blatant. People routinely cut corners with their own safety everyday, and almost always by their own volition.
@@cjthebeesknees You live in North Korea? Cause you're not talking about the US, I know that much.
@phillipclearman859 its never the corporation, they're such good and honest bodies run by only the finest and most ethical of us
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He failed to mention that, during the train derailment, the oil and subsequent fire ran into the town's storm drains. It spread much farther because of this, and even infiltrated people's homes via their basement sump pumps. Even houses a good distance away. So, even people who were farther away, and thought they might be safe after the initial explosion, were taken by surprise, had their houses burned, and lost their lives. :-(
the oil did go in the storm drains, but it did not light any other houses in fire
@@thenubking9740 I watched a different video on the same disaster, which said it did. But maybe the video was wrong. I wasn't there. I don't know. What I definitely do know though, is that either way, it was a terrible tragedy.
Not sure why my replies aren't showing up, but the other video I watched about the derailment was by a channel called Fascinating Horror. I'd post the link, but maybe that's why UA-cam keeps deleting my replies. Anyway, you, and the other person, who was questioning me (who either blocked me, or deleted his reply/had his reply deleted for him) can look it up, if you think I'm wrong.
He mentions what I said at 6:06 and 6:55 in his video. My apologies, he didn't specifically mention sump pumps. But he definitely DID say the fire spread via sewers, and people's basements. Like I said, I wasn't there. But Fascinating Horror is a great channel, disasters are their specialty, and they do really good research. So I didn't have much reason to think I should doubt them. But either way, *I* wasn't making anything up. There's your proof.
@mariebelladonna437 youtube auto-bans links so yeah that'll delete your comment (at least sometimes)
@@x3xmikey333 weird. I've seen other people put links in their comments. Maybe it's certain channels? Ah well, I got my point across anyway, so it's all good.
This is why i don't do crowds. People get stupid and panicky.
Same here. I’m 4’9” so I hate crowds. I almost got crushed at a 30 Seconds to Mars concert.
what was that line from Men In Black? A person is smart, people are dumb, panicky animals?
I agree. When I lived in NYC, I went to the Greenwich Village Halloween Parade. About a million people showed up and we all got stuck. I couldn't even lift my arms. People were screaming and people couldn't get out of the subway. It was horrible. NEVER EVER AGAIN.
@@99999mykdamn,that does sound horrible! There's absolutely no fun it that. I don't like too crowded areas either. But that's a whole other level
Not to mention their "Me first!" mentally.
I live an hour away from East Palestine. The weather was so weird for about a week after the controlled leak. The sky was dark and cloudy, looked stormy but there were no storms. There was a weird smell in the air that lingered and burned your nose and eyes. The rain burned when it touched your skin. Many animals were found dead around East Palestine and the water looked oily. Regardless of what they said, releasing that gas was NOT safe.
And Biden just blew them off.
@@99999myk Just like Norfolk-Southern. So foul.
@@99999mykHe doesn't live there so he has no control.
@@Roadent1241he doesn't even live in his own body in which he has even less control of.
He's going to shit himself or forget he's at a press conference and not a day care center and walk out naked with that weird semi-ole man boner.
He'll start singing,
"Old grey mare she ain't what she used ta' be".
Not his problem @@99999myk
Regarding the first 'accident' . For a family to lose 4 sisters is beyond my comprehension . Every life lost is terrible , of course , but as a father , I can't imagine the horror . The immediate scene in that limousine would have beyond most people's comprehension . It's not often you see a first-responder show emotion like that .
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AND AGREE WITH YOU IN EVERY WORD. TAKE CARE.
Booking the stretch limo was the first mistake
Whoever rented that limo is equally responsible.
Why did you put accident in quotations? It clearly was one.
@@Smegmatician accident implies a lack of fault. The company failing to maintain the vehicle and the driver being under the influence makes it not an accident.
As a Quebec citizen, Lac Mégantic was a tragedy that still can happen today. Nothing has been fixed and the trains still go through the town. Many town residents still suffer from PTSD and it is made worse with each train that still passes. A tragedy.
Why did they build their homes so close to the train tracks? In London homes are extremely close to train tracks but London is a tightly packed city unlike Canada
@@7hhxiVictim blaming much??
@@NoctisTheBogWitch in this situation you can blame them. Would you live in house that’s built on the edge of a crumbling cliff?
You'd think Quebec would be clamoring for pipelines to move oil in a much safer manner, but you'd be wrong.
@@drunkenastarte5243cuz pipelines are not that much safer and have their own huge risks too. like the fact that if they get struck or hit they don't just pump out some oil. they pump out a ton in seconds
For the love parade stampede it kinda sounds like instead of it being a single persons fault it was a lot of peoples collective fault. With each person contributing small pieces of negligence to the situation. Therefore the court couldn’t hold any one person wholly responsible for the tragedy.
That's a completely logical conclusion. Sadly people always need someone to blame. People just think anything bad the happens had to be pre planned with ulterior motives.
Eh, bad planning played a huge part. Narrow area surrounded by fencing, railway, and highway. Walkways narrowed due to vendors and more. Closing off a pathway causing in and out on a single walkway. From there, it's pretty basic human psychology and crowd mechanics. Sure, there's plenty of fault to spread around, but ultimately bad decisions by organizers and later by police.
Drunk/high germans are to blame
@@joeycampbell940 100%
@Xaddre you should look up the Hillsborough disaster. Almost the same thing except the police played a direct role in people's deaths, then tried to blame the victims for their own deaths when they realized they screwed up.
That train accident is completely the fault at the train companies, saving money and forcing the drivers to take longer and longer trains BY THEMSELVES... These accidents happen too many times, still there is nothing done to it. Greedy companies getting richer at the expense of innocent lives...
Yep! And don't forget that many of those same companies that cut corners to save money at the cost of lives also have numerous lawmakers they fund via lobbying, so not only do they get away with it, they get to make sure the law only gives them a slap on the wrist at most.
The oil industry as a whole is corrupt and self-serving. The industry is designed to maximize profit without caring about the lives it impacts. Indigenous groups who have their land stolen to build pipelines, underpaid and mistreated oil sands workers, and irreparable damage to the environment are swept under the rug in favour of raking in cash. It's hell.
Crowd crushing incidents are the subject of almost every nightmare I have. I’m highly claustrophobic and very anxious so crowds already freak me out, but the amount of crowd crushes that have happened in the last decade alone is insane. It genuinely keeps me up at night.
I’m still very thankful it east Palestine train didn’t derail sooner. Luckily it was already on the outskirts of town. Any sooner and it would have been so much worse. Those tracks run straight through the heart of town. I’ll never forget my eyes, nose and throat burning the day after the burn when I finally went outside, 23 miles from the site. Norfolk southern needs held criminally negligent. This town continues to suffer even a year later. They are still cleaning it up
It was a trial run for actual Palestine.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 no, quite an egocentric view.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 grow up.
It's gonna happen again with this precision scheduling railroading PSR- BS you have in the states. Were safety is not number 1, it's all down on number 4.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow.Well depends on what he means by that. A catastrophic derailing WILL happen again in the states. Next time can well be in the middle of a big city.
It's not just Norfolk Southern who puts profits over people. Union Pacific routinely runs trains over three miles long out west. Admittedly, there's lots more physical room out there, however, east of the Mississippi, trains are routinely running 1-2 miles long which is insane. Most rail companies shrug off fines as their profits are enormous compared to the miniscule fines. And THAT's the bottom line.
The governments should increase the fines where they’re threats to the companies then. That’ll teach them to be more diligent and careful about what they do.
@@ShockInazuma The government should suspend their license to operate….In addition to a fine. Companies don’t care until their operations are suspended.
I thought we were paying taxes to fix infrastructure? Not to pay Ukraine for losing a war against Daddy.
Not only are the trains long, they are often also ancient, with obsolete break systems. And the tracks and switches are old and poorly maintained.
You act liek that is some new thing. UP was running 5 mile trains in the 40s. That's...kinda how trains make money.
As a Canadian i dont know how i didn't know about the train derailment in Quebec. But i noticed and found it entertaining that on the phone calls they censor the english part of the conversations, but not the french.
I took French back in high school and even visited Quebec City as part of a school trip, and I had to look up what "tabarnac" meant.
@@fayesloverNo one would have said sacrament and tabernac to some nice young kids on a school trip 🙂
I'm from Toronto and heard about it. I finally got the chance to visit the town 2 days ago.
Thanks for metric conversions, helps to put it in to perspective for non-American viewers.
I'm English in the UK. It helps me too... and others 60 and above.
What I mean is that imperial is what I understand. I always have to do mathematics in my head to convert metric to imperial.
Since most were outside the US, it makes sense and courteous.
"my kid said: we're going to die. And i said: no we're not, son. But i saw the news and some kids have... But mine haven't" fuck, that dad must feel such torturous combination of relief and grief
Relief, grief, and survivors guilt.
So, I live on the complete opposite side if the state from East Palestine, Ohio. When all that went down, we were getting warnings all the way over here to spend as little time in rain as possible due to the vinyl chloride potentially getting carried by rain clouds and spreading. I work outside, so I spend a decent amount of time exposed to weather year round. I remember that it was particularly rainy around that time, making it hard to not get exposed to the potentially contaminated rain. I almost face planted in my driveway attempting to jump a puddle simply because I wanted to minimize exposure. The rain made my skin feel weird, so I always tried to get it rinsed off quickly. Luckily I didn't get any ill effects, but it was something on a lot of people's minds.
you may not have suffered any ill effects then, but oh boy will you potentially see issues down the road.
Hope there is no long term damage.
It's good that you haven't suffered any ill effects. Hopefully, that continues to be the case.
@@whitneyanders5945 My fingers are crossed.
**blinks third eye in shock**
how do you erase 20 people and get 5 years????
hell they tried to just give him probation but the judge rejected that deal he should have gotten several life sentences!
because we're a soft pussified nation.
He was a job creator, you see
@@vladimirvlasov4360thank god all those service folks got work that night, what would they have done if this man had properly maintained his vehicle! How kind of him! /s
Crowd crush situations are so fascinating and terrifying to me. The only danger is the amount of people packed into a space; no speeding cars, no natural disasters, just *too many people*. I'm on the short side (165 cm) so I tend to disappear into crowds. Imagining a situation like the Love Parade stampede makes my heart race. It's preventable as long as safety procedures are implemented and followed beforehand, but near-impossible to control if a crowd crush is in progress. Insane.
I remember the first incident as I live in NJ and it was well known. A family lost 4 of its daughters. They had to track the owners down, both foreigners, one who left to his home country. There are almost no regulations on these “custom” limousines. You couldn’t pay me to get into any of these types of vehicles. 5 to 10 years?!?! Despicable .
they tried to give him an even lighter slap on the wrist with only probation but the judge feeling the family's anger as well as public outrage rejected the plea agreement still got off way too easy!
Yeah God. Max 15 years for the deaths of 20 people?!?! That's still way too little
@@kimmyb8276
Its so easy for you women to just scream "Jail him for life!!" Regardless of any details. Accident? Oh well. Jail him for life.
Im really sick of people who have very little accountability for anything CONDEMNING everyone for everything.
@@TheScotian82 Please check yourself. It wasn't just an accident. The brakes didn't work. Of course they are liable.
@@TheScotian82”for you women” alright bro just say you get no bitches and that this fact makes you angry. Either way this case has literally nothing to do with your internalized rage. Who cares that you think women are evil and love locking up innocent people or whatever. 20 people died. The owner knew and purposefully ignored multiple warnings that were directly handed to him.
If someone can get a life sentence for brutally killing 1 person, I see no reason why wanting that for someone who killed 20 to be unreasonable.
I remember not believing what was said about the air quality being fine once I saw the footage from Ohio, because that’s not going to just go away over night.
i think some people got paid off on that one big time!
Pete Buttgag deserves all the credit along with his delusional boss.
@@jays106 EPA? Certainly not the people of Ohio.
It is pretty surprising how fast air quality can change though cause of how absolutely massive the atmosphere is
Yes and the particles will come down near the site of the accident or get dragged miles away. Some chemicals poison every thing around them for decades. No wonder cancer rates are that high.
the marathon one... Imagine taking shelter during a storm, just a normal part of your life, and ending the day knowing that you saved dozens of lives.
Fines are not enough. Fines are nothing compared to profits. For every accident business should be shut down until every train, boat, plane, etc. has passed independent safety inspections. That will really hit these companies in the wallet.
Too bad lobbyists are the ones who really make the laws here in the US and they'll pretty much never go for that.
Unfortunately the workers are gonna feel that first hand.
Oh my, the Doña Paz incident! For a catastrophe of such scale, I'm shocked that it's not being covered or talked about enough! Imagine, only 25 PEOPLE OUT OF ~4000 survived.
And what are the odds that out of those 25 survivors, are a father and his daughter!! I think that's worthy of a movie tribute. Jumping several storeys high into shark-infested waters and then those waters turning into a sea of fire, burning people alive... I can't even imagine!!
Spanish person here, the government not paying their share of the money after the flood somehow doesn't even surprise me. I've got a feeling that's somewhat heard of over here, even if I can't recall any examples right now.
The US is the same way. Aswell as other countries' gov'ts.
Spanish too and I can confirm the victims received their compensation. It's bad enough that both administrations - national and regional - made relatives to go through such a lengthy legal process but after the National Court delivered the judgement in 2005, they received the money.
The confusion may originate from the fact that there were 15 familes who chose not to join the appeal case and went to the European Human Rights Court in Strasbourg instead. When they heard about the 2005 judgement, they seeked to obtain compensation using the same procedure as the other claimants but that court process had already been filed in 2001.
They still went ahead but the National Court finally declared that their case had no legal standing, on account once more that the process had been filed years earlier. They still demanded to be compensated out of court and the Aragon government gave each family 90k euros out of good will but the Spanish government refused since there was no legal judgement.
And there were 2 other persons who, although they received the original (lower) compensation, were also too late to join the appeal that gave the victims a higher amount as their lawyer only told them that the process had been filed 2 years after the fact. The Supreme Court found him guilty of professional negligence and was ordered to pay +800k euros to his clients (his insurance did anyway).
I remember the same thing happening with an earthquake catastrophe in Italy (Abruzzo iirc). Iirc a lot of the aid that was sent never reached the place, and the affected places remained in ruins for years after.
Though it was still a complete tragedy, the story from China will always also be a bit heartwarming too due to the selflessness and help given from the locals who did everything to save as many runners as they could. They for sure saved many lives.
7:00 The law in 2018 in NY was that if you’re 16 or older, you don’t need to wear your seatbelt in the back. That recently changed to everyone must wear it, which I’m ecstatic about.
Well, except school buses. Still not required.
Why don't school buses in America use seatbelts? Bit silly when they're law in literally every other vehicle.
Japan also doesn't require seat belts for backseat passengers. They don't really have school buses, most kids take public transit to school.
Hey pretty soon they’ll require a seatbelt for your recliner at home
@@pilotgrrl1 Even my public transport had seatbelts!! Maybe the UK just cares...
@@Roadent1241I think the theory is that in an emergency it would be impossible for the driver to unbuckle everyone. The seats are designed to protect the kids in the event of a crash. They aren't built like city buses or coach buses
My now - Husband was in the Love - parade - desaster in Duisburg. He didnt realize it at first but got tired of waiting to go on in the crowd and blazing sun for 45 min. He is almost 1.9 meters and just pushed himself and a female friend through the crowd up the Autobahn ramp. That if course was forbidden, bit it saved their lifes.
It was close to my home and I had been at the site before. But the worst chills I get come when I think that the love of my life could have perished that day if he was just a little less stubborn
You know our national motto: "Profit first; SAFETY SECOND."
ONE MAN responsible for a train that size? How is that even legal ANYWHERE, let alone careful Canada???
Can we please make sure that gets changed, like, cutting corners now is only gonna result in a bigger fine you gotta pay out later.
@@Dovietail most likely not but enough palm grease and you can do what you want. These multi billion $ companies see fines as the cost of doing business and what it cost them to be able to get away with the safety violations follow the money!
Yeah if it was safety first all we could do was stay home and be safe and have nothing. I rode river boats and they were crazy about safety to the point that guys would hide in the boat if things went wrong and let the barges kill people on the bridge. I couldn't live with myself if I was hiding in the deck locker I'd be dying slow the whole time especially if it hurt someone. So for me it's my own personal safety second don't let my job kill the world just so I can hide somewhere and go home and cry.
While you aren't wrong the safety of innocent civilians was ignored on behalf of greed. However, you are way way way off base in labeling it a "national" motto, regardless of the nation. Most of these incidents didn't even happen in English speaking nations. Greed is a universal character amongst all human populations, to call it a "national" motto is just short sighted and ignorant.
9:41 People often forget that water has weight and mass that can be strong enough to lift cars, houses and people of the ground and quickly sweep them away. This is why it's always a good idea to know the environment you're going into if you're going out to some place like this, check the weather forecasts in advance and identify the safety and emergency locations in the event of an accident happening. People always tell me I'm just too paranoid, but I'd rather be that than feeling helpless in the middle of a crisis.
In the early 2000s (cant remember when) my family and i had gone to Death Valley, in like november. We were hiking in some narrows and felt some raindrops. Noped the fuck out of there real fast
Part of the reason for the Canadian train disaster was a consequence of one man crews. One person doing the work of a 2 person minimum job is exhausted both mentally and physically, if he had a conductor and or a break man with him, it may have been avoided, as the conductor on the ground would have noticed the air brakes were not released to preform a proper C-102 (hand brake train securement test). And when the brakes would have been released, the conductor would have seen the slack roll in, and know to apply more hand brakes. Disasters like this is the reason why both Canada and the US now have government regulations requiring minimum 2 person crews, to avoided things like this from happening again. …in fact it was this very disaster that that pushed Canada to mandate 2 person crews.
It's sad as he'll all the execs got away with it, probably still getting a huge annual bonus
Speaking of tragic events that were easy to prevent ...
As someone living in the Kansas City area there are 2 recent events that are still thought of: the water slide incident at Schlitterbahn in 2016 and the Table Rock Lake duck boat accident in 2018.
Look these up if y'all want, but be prepared to be infuriated from the lack of care and accountability of the owners
I remember the duck boat capsize. Very sad.
Those duck boats were so dangerous
There was an accident in Philadelphia where tourists lost their lives
The duck boat tragedy was so awful-almost an entire family, three generations, wiped out. The teenage girl who lost her dad and twin brother, who survived because she was pushed to the surface by the woman from the large family (who lost her husband and three kids). Another girl whose grandmothers last act was pushing her out the window to safety. Just so tragic.
Verrückt was a horrible idea. The guy who designed it just wanted to get the world record for tallest water slide. He was not an engineer, he did not have anyone review the plans, he did not test it thoroughly to ensure safety. As a result, a child was decapitated. I can't think of a worse way to die, and the scars it left on the family will never heal. Ironically, the dad was a state legislator that had loosened safety regulations for theme parks, only to strengthen them following his son's death.
I remember taking a trip to Philly years back, before the accident that killed the two Hungarian tourists, and I saw one of those duck boats full of people and immediately felt chills. I was a kid but I swore I'd never ride a duck boat if given the chance.
I remember the flash flood disaster.
Much like novice spelunkers, people do not understand the down river effects of deluges.
I have seen that first hand while hiking in the german alps.
On the way up, there was a small creek flowing through a steep narrow ravine, with the path bridging back and forth across and snaking along the rock cliffs each side of the canyon.
After a rest stop far higher up, we saw clouds below dropping large amounts of rain and waited until the weather cleared again before heading back down.
Turns out, when we got back to the ravine the creek had swelled into a boiling torrent, the bridges which had previously had several meters of clearance above the water now being only a few centimeters above the foaming waves in some places and the path turned slippery and awash with spray.
The trip down was a far more "interesting" experience despite all the guard rails, guide ropes and barriers you're supposed to use, good thing we had harnesses to attach to the safety lines.
@@Kr0noZ gravity, plus the accumulation of the water following the path of least resistance that has been carved out over countless years, is one hell of a thing.
Plea deals like the one in the limousine crash should never be allowed to happen in the first place. The fact that the limousine company killed twenty people and even had the option for a plea deal is absolutely disgusting.
Prosecutors could have charged Hussain, father and son, with 20 counts of second degree murder. In New York, intentionally providing this limo, knowing it was illegal, would have amounted to a charge of reckless endangerment. Reckless endangerment leading to death is second degree murder. If he had to be offered a plea, how about 60 years, with the possibility of parole? Conviction on 20 counts of second degree murder would have led to a sentence longer than several lifetimes.
sad thing is they tried to give him a plea deal of probation! luckily the judge listened to the family and the public outcry's and rejected it! I found it completely absurd that they even offered such a slimy deal!
@@jays106 Feckless "Judge" didn't want to start a riot.
All these stories really make the current pushback on more regulations across the board in nearly every industry even more terrifying. The ONE thing everyone should be in agreement on is more regulations, stricter punishments for failing inspections, and harsher consequences for when things inevitably go wrong.
which does nothing until after the fact. The gov't gets rich through fines and the taxpayers foot the bill and fill the graveyards.
Because regulations can damage safety too. Absurd regulations (which are many) increase the cost of the product and create a false sense of security. The problem is, people in the government have no interest in the safety of the people, they have interest in keeping their position, which generally means passing as many laws as possible - including the ones that attack people's freedom (like current proposed kill switch and tracking in cars). Government wants control, not safety. And when you control something to the point that it doesn't move, noone will be injured but aswell no progress in life will be made.
I'm not against every regulation, but there is clearly a lot of nuance and unforeseen consequences of overregulating an industry. Very few people run businesses and see the situation from the other side. Reduced competition also harms progress.
Regarding the train derailment, which was ultimately caused by doing a bodge-job instead of a proper repair, I'm reminded of this quote - "The problem with economising is that it can be so expensive". Of course, it is a real tragedy that the cost was paid in human lives, and the company executives who decided practices and policies to be implemented by the company.
This is USA companies for you.
It really pisses me off that so many companies actually factor in the cost of death benefits to families just to keep doing business as usual instead of doing the right thing.
companies basically gamble, They hope that nothing happens and when it does they know most people take a fat check settlement and sign an NDA. Because the average person will never see a multi-million dollar payday, Even if they win in court the company's on staff lawyers will keep them in appeals until they die of old age.
The Love Parade one: my fear of crowds has been justified. I used to love going to concerts (in stadiums with seating). Then I went Black Friday shopping. No matter how much stores try to regulate the flow and keep crowding to a minimum, the few who ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE THAT NEW THING ON SALE will cause problems. I avoided most problems, but in line to check out, people were crowding around me and pushing and shoving and yelling. I was with my sister-in-law, and if she hadn't been there to calm me, I probably would have either collapsed or knocked people over to get out. After we finally got out, I just sobbed for 10 minutes. That's how I found out I can't handle crowds.
If you have two ramps, make the bigger one the exit. It isn't that hard.
You would surprised how hard it actually could be for some people...
@@Tomlar147 true, the average person is pretty stupid and halfish of people are dumber than that.
“But there are ONE MILLION people expected! That requires a laaaaaarge ramp in!”
clearly it is lmfao
Yeah but that would make too much sense.
The limo story was horrifying. However, I’m not aware of anyone that wears seatbelts while renting a limo.
It’s just not a common thing to do.
I wore one when we got given a limo once, having requested a taxi big enough to take a mobility scooter. They sent a limo. We were flying out that day so we took it. Very comfy ride.
Driver lady was very confused that this Brit has been grown up strictly on seatbelt safety haha. Sorry I'm weird.
I think the meaning was that they could have strapped themselves when the disaster was apparently coming. There should have been time while the limo was speeding downhill for everyone the strap themselves and increase their chance of survival.
@@rosverlegaspo6752 Except that they're tucked out of sight. Took five minutes at a still level position knowing where they were for my driver to find one physically moving the seats, you're not going to manage when gravity is trying to drag you away and you don't know where they're tucked in 30 seconds.
@@Roadent1241 At 6:50 the video says that there are some lap and shoulder belts visible. It was those belts that they are wondering about.
But then again, people do get very complacent and not taking any precaution or learn what to do. Most people succumb to panicking instead of taking proper actions in that few critical seconds.
I live in a university town, and I'm not that far from the university dorms, fraternities/sororities. Not uncommon to see a party bus come by packed full of young people dancing to loud music, lights flashing, drinks in hand. Of course they aren't wearing seat belts! They're DANCING!
To be fair, when I do see these party buses, which is almost every weekend now, the drivers are NOT going very fast. Perhaps 20 to 25 mph. The route to a popular outdoor space is on my street, so as mentioned, I tend to see these hopping and rocking buses all the time lol.
I can't imagine trying to drive a vehicle with 30 or more people crammed in, all high energy, intoxicated, pounding music/flashing lights, screaming from the guests and trying to maintain keeping the vehicle safe on the road. Insane!
If I were in university and my early 20's again, I'd be on one of them myself! They didn't have those when I was young and it would have been awesome to have a portable party :D
48:40 you can hear the life leaving his body as he whispers "Sacrament"
Canadians defending train guys despite the horrible disaster is the peak humanity moment
Ce qu'il faut retenir c'est une compagnie américaine qui fait faillite pour ne pas payer .
This!
En effet
As a Canadian, I can vouch for this, especially if the situation was an accident in the making and we see all sides.
Railroad workers?
That father thinking about how easily his children could have been like their children is heartbreaking, his voice cracking tells it all
The amount of disastrous limousine crashes makes more sense when you realize the entire concept of a limousine was mostly invented to easily recycle hot cars into something unregulated. Most limos are chopped up from older, shittier cars and just welded together. Trashy in, trashy out!
That's just a fairy tale in fact most of what you said is just straight up not true
First of all it costs a lot of money to cut a car and stretch it.
Secondly no one... Literally no one cuts a junk in half and spend time and money to put it back together.
You can say the owner neglected the limo... Don't go around saying someone would stretch a junk for close to 100k. It makes you not smart.
They are regulated. They have also made more regulations. Problem is the driver and owner violated direct orders and several laws. Problem was there was no way for them to legally arrest the vehicle like they do with ships.
I mean hearses are also basically a car cut apart and a carriage added to the back end. They go through a lot of work and it's a very spendy thing to do. Roll bars are hidden in the top even. There was an instance I remember hearing about of one of those having a rollover accident and still being able to drive off afterwards.
They, like limos don't go through that much work for a piece of crap. That's just someone not taking care of the vehicle.
@@bobbysenterprises3220 in a way they should do what they do in the UK impound it and inspect it if found to unsafe off to the crusher
I work in Quality/Compliance field; videos like this shows how important my job is... audits, inspections, training, safety briefings, and so many other aspects of quality assurance, are really necessary. I just can not believe the behavior of some of the authorities, complete disregard for people's safety and well-being 😔
I heard recently that cars are meant to crumble so they can absorb the impact of accidents. The fact being the limo was "eerily intact" was likely another part of the problem, other than...everything else about it
That's one of the many reasons why the cybertruck hasn't been sold in the UK as it doesn't have a crumplezone which is a vital safety mechanism due to it taking most of the impacts force away
So if you think of your fist as the passenger compartment in a car and you punch a wall without anything your hand is going to get injured but if you say put a pillow on the wall before your hand the injuries you'll sustain will be less as that pillow takes most of the forward force away because it slows your hand down that's why cars have crumplezones to minimise major injuries
@@project014 The cybertruck is the reason why I learned about the crumplezones to begin with funny enough. The analogy was a little confusing though. Might need an explanation for why it works without the analogy mixed into it. Like explain without the analogy and then make the comparison if that makes sense?
Not that its needed since I understand the basics of "if the car doesn't crumble, then its unsafe"
@@utatanepiko7087 the reason a crumple zone is necessary for safety is because it makes it such that a cars deceleration takes place over a longer period of time, thus meaning the deceleration is lower
Basically, a car with no crumple zones will hit something, and almost instantly stop, which would exert a much less survivable force than a car with crumple zones, which takes more time to slow down
@@a_paperweight Ah so like, its better to brake before you need to than brake suddenly due to being jerked around?
I could imagine a lack of crumble zone is why people die from the whiplash in their neck
@@utatanepiko7087 yeah that's actually a great analogy
I can't believe the railway got away with it. I am in tears. A whole town. They tried to scapegoat their own people. That is beyond disgusting.
Those three men despite having minimal responsibility probably, TO THIS DAY, have more guilt and TRAUMA from that incident than any of the executives and higher ups at the railway company.
If the town got together and strung the railway execs up like Mussolini the cops would either look away or straight up join in.
That whole thing, and everything else here, is unacceptable. Yet all people tend to do is shrug their shoulders and go "what am I supposed to do?"
That train derailment in ohio was such a shit show. Only $1,000 for the residents? Why wouldnt they pump the stuff into a new car rather than burn it off? That water isnt safe to drink. Dead fish all down towards the ohio river.
103 million spent on clean up and 21 million dollars for residents.
Let’s not forget- just last week. $60 Billion generously donated to Ukraine🙏
@kamakaziozzie3038 yea. 26 billion to Israel and 8 billion to Taiwan too. People of Ukraine got something like a 600 dollar stimulus while the US citizens of Maui only received 400 and they lost EVERYTHING in that fire.
As an ohioan it DISGUSTS me to this day
@@Swishersweetcigarilo those poor people living in a tropical paradise with insurance 😢 my heart bleeds. Way worse than living in an actual war zone for years🙃
1:02:17 - 1:02:47 just melted my heart. The fact they all rushed to help just brought my humanity back! Bless those villagers!
The one friend who didn’t go on the limousine trip was SO lucky! They must’ve been so sad when the heard about the crash.
Love Parade horrifically similar to Hillsborough. Lessons still not learned decades later!
That was great. You presented these catastrophes with facts that I'd not heard before. Plus, it was well worded and included timelines. I know you did your research.
From NE Ohio, THANK YOU for covering the East Palestine, Ohio train disaster. I got a toxic air warning on my phone that day. I am about 1.5 hrs north of the derailment spot (located in the NE tip of the state). Although I am 1.5 hrs away, it is all small towns from here south to East Palestine, other than Youngstown. It affected the entire area as we can relate to what an impact it was, is and will be for YEARS and most likely forever, on such a tiny town. Our surrounding areas would GLADLY take in the East Palestine residents. They are ALWAYS welcome to come north to our town to help save their health long-term. NFS OWES these residents' loads of $$$. This is THEIR fault. GIVE THEM the $$$ they DESERVE, so they can move and help to preserve their health and future. I have been absolutely LIVID for the residents there.
1:03:11 - God bless the locals for coming to the aid of the runners. By bringing them warm clothing and blankets, and getting them to shelter within the caves, they saved them from certain death.
The difference between chinese people and chinese authorities
1st incident. People don't realise how much of an impact this has not just on families but front line rescue workers. We had a stupid incident where a few fellas in a fast Audi lost control in an underpass and destroyed a taxi. Multiple lives including the Audi occupants lost. But it was the emergency services that had to deal with it and see the devastation first hand including 'injuries incompatible with life' ie., twisted/bent necks and spines etc.
Love Parade: Why didn’t the police cordons stop people going in but still let people out? Why didn’t the organizers split the ramp into inflow and outflow sections?
it turned out, they had completely underestimated just how massive that event was.
they simply could not handle the amount of people that wanted to go in at that point.
the crowd was getting impatient and frustrated and started to force their way in..unaware of the things going on on the other side...
and there was poor communication between the police and the people responsible for security...etc.
i live in the “Ruhrgebiet“ near duisburg.
i remember that day bc we were about to go, but suddenly me and my best friend decided not to...our ex boyfriends and people that wanted to attend with us were really angry about us switching plans last minute. and causing drama...etc..
so we stayed home, with our exes and like two others...
the others went anyway.
we're watching the live stream on the internet, when all of a sudden, the Video went black with a message like...“we currently have some issues with the livestream ..or some technical issues...“ i don't remember exactly...
so we tried to watch another one...there were several livestreams of the event that day, some were just the audio and some video...
and every other one we tried just stopped...
and i remember that, all the people at home and on the way to the parade were starting to get concerned. i don't know how to explain this in english ...but like..the comment sections of these live steams we're full with people asking what's going on etc...thats how i know the fact, that alot of people started to get worried...
there was also no chance to call your friends or family who were at the parade because the whole phone is it called network?..service? broke down...there were no calls going through. so there was no way to contact anyone to find out what's happening....i remember how devastating all that was...like not for me as an individual person...but for the whole community...for everyone...
my heart goes out to the families and friends of the victims of this terrible tragedy,
to everyone who survived that tragedy and has to live with the horrible memories of what they went through. i hope you're doing ok. i wish you all the best.
ps- i hope this makes sense...please don't judge my grammar or my choice of words...but it's 3am right now in germany and usually i don't comment that much on anything...but i just felt the need to say how devastating
and how sad this day was...
and still is...but i hope we learn from this
Seeing once again the Dona Paz Ferry Disaster is still horrifying me that many Pilipinos were killed on that night, few days before Christmas.
Very tragic. why is this not well known i wonder?? everytime it's always the Titanic when uh more people died on the Dona Paz then Titanic.
I'm shocked it's not being talked about enough. Only 25 people out of 4000 people survived!
@@captainsoi right??
@willambonney, there's many ship disasters that should be better known, as they had much greater loss of life.
However, the Titanic had the attention of the masses rich and poor before sailing, partly at least due to media hype, add in the wealthy/celebrity names on her first and only voyage and nearly everyone had at least heard of her. I think the first movie about the sinking happened like only a year after said tragedy causing a bit of scandal for multiple reasons. The movies, the finding, the most recent craziness and tragedy surrounding the Titanic keeps her in the forefront while other ship/ferry tragedies fade away to be remembered only by those who were directly impacted or by people who seek to learn of such tragedies and thus keep the memories alive. Fire, drowning, sharks, neglect, inattention this particular one gives me hebejees of the worst sort.
That’s why when dangerous or questionable industrial or commercial projects are touted to “be safe” I cringe. Because there are two words responsible for 99% of all tragedies and man made disasters….HUMAN ERROR. Or arrogance or stupidity or hubris, etc., etc……
One word: MONEY
I was in 10th grade when the Schoharie Limo accident happened, live real close to where it all occured. I had to do a book report for English class on why safety is key even when it isn't inherently obvious.
Video is wrong. The limo had seatbelts. None of the passengers chose to wear a seatbelt and they all died from the force of the impact. The NTSB stated they know none of the passengers were wearing the seatbelts as they were still tucked under the seat cushions. NTSB report stated some passengers might have survived if they wore seatbelts.
@@rfarevalo The video actively says all of these things….
While all of these tragedies are terrible, in my personal opinion, the Dona Paz ferry is perhaps the most horrifying. Over 4,000 on the ship and only 23 survived. Only a little over 200 bodies recovered. One fourth of the estimated victims being children under the age of six. The lack of documentation means that entire families could be resting at the bottom of the ocean, that were never found or even known. And absolutely nobody held accountable, and 5,000 killed by the same shipping company over 11 years, yet nothing has been done. Absolutely horrific.
This is basically every company now. Companies literally do not care about the health and safety of their clients, customers, and especially, their staff. As long as they're making profit and lining their own pockets with bonuses their employees earned for them, they're happy. Absolutely disgusting, every single one of these CEOs and executives should face serious repercussions for anything like happens like this.
The crowd crushing thing still boggles my mind. I get that its a wave like one person in the back could start a ripple effect that push more and more. But I can't wrap my head around it, why can't the people in the back leave room for others, why keep pushing until they're against each other? It has to start from somewhere and continues to pressure. It's like a vehicle jam, all it would take are vehicles in the back to give room so the next can back up and so on and so forth.
This one likely was caused by police blockades but still... if someone is stuck, why keep trying to squeeze through?
I guess a good idea to have entrance and exit routes else you have people running into each other.
It is a long line of people and the ones toward the middle and back can't tell what is going on at the front. By the time they notice the crowd getting dense enough to make them want to back up, they can't because there are so many people behind them. That's why it is important that a) spaces used by large crowds be designed so that there aren't these sort of inescapable funnel points b) crowds be directed by people who have an overview (often literally, from a raised platform) and communicate with radios
It was the triple cordons that made that situation worse. Altho it would have been much worse if they hadn't made those cordons, as that would mean that people would just keep pouring in. It's a paradox. Instead they should have created two cordons and let one side become exit. The problem was from the start . Allowing the same route to become entry and exit without any dividers. There should have been triple dividers on the ramp two ins and 1 out and use the second ramp as only exit, No entry. That would have prevented this from escalating.
Panic makes people lose all rationality
Only cause is idiotic partying sheeple.
Having walked with people who constantly have no sense or self awareness, blocking main routes, ignoring crowd controllers and potentially causing accidents if I didn't forcefully direct them properly, I can easily see how a dozen twits can begin crowds and collisions
20:03 "Rivers of people are swarming..." I see what you did there right after the campsite disaster.
I hate that I laughed a little
55:46 Sign's translation (Google Translate) reads, "You the hell train, Don't come back here. You are no longer welcome."
I remember the train crash in Quebec I’m in BC Canada and I live in a small town and I lived one block from the train tracks, we mainly have coal going by but we do flammable things through like oil. Everyone in my town lives close to the tracks. This scared the shit out of me and I couldn’t sleep for weeks! It was 2013 and I was 18yrs old
That last one with the train shows corruption at its finest, without consequences either.
the people of Ohio are still dealing with the consequences and likely will for decades to come.
The crowd crush one is probably one of my biggest fears and also the reason why I don’t mess with crowds. Once it starts, there’s no way out other than by hurting other people.
The german music festival incident reminds me of the recent halloween crowd crush in seoul (in 2022). More dead but less injured (159 dead but only around 200 injured). It's horrible that these things can happen over and over again without being able to stop history from repeating itself.
Thanks for publishing this information - As the NTSB spokeswoman noted - There are no industrial accidents - These disasters are preventable - This is a great object lesson in public policy generally - Lack of regulation also results in low wages of millions of workers - Bad regulation results in lack of adequate teaching of young people about the meaning of trade unionism - In adequate housing!
The campground was badly sited from the get-go. Putting a camp ground on a floodplain is something that needs to be stopped.
I'm surprised the Beirut disaster wasn't on here. VERY avoidable
Yeah, if anything I think he should do a part 2 compilation
This didn't help my extreme fear of crowd crush but is still really good! 😅
Wasn’t expecting the first one to be a local accident near me. I know a girl that lost her sister
I’m a local as well. Knew many involved in that crash and I drive by the crash site every now and then. So terrible.
Very sad for families and friends. I remember the news.
I remember being at my aunties house when the love parade happened. My cousin went there and when we saw the news we were scared to death. We're so lucky nothing happened to her that day but man I remember the fear we felt when we didn't reach her cellphone
The Lac-Mégantic rail disaster is always the one that hurts the most. Those that died were regular folk out enjoying a fun evening with one another. Most were young adults full of hopes and dreams, looking forward to long, productive lives. Many of these people were parents and left orphaned children. There was no warning whatsoever and no escape. It was 72 full tanker cars. All the downtown, all the primary businesses, historical records, library, bank, post office, and other businesses were obliterated in an instant. View via Google Earth and see the before and after images. It is horrific. That isn't even the end of the tragedy. Vast areas of land became highly contaminated so no rebuilding without large amounts of effort, money and time. The drinking water, rivers and ponds were contaminated for a long time. We all payed for this tragedy and the resulting clean up because the rail companies didn't. They paid off their executives and filed for chapter 11.
The worst was the finger pointing afterward. Everyone pointed to someone else. Firefighters, rail company, train personnel, government regulators, etc. Nobody really accepted the blame so the survivors were left without answers. The rail company actually opposed moving the tracks from the downtown afterward. In fact the rail companies opposed any regulatory changes aimed at reducing a re-occurrence of such a tragedy. Even Greenpeace decided within hours to stand on the backs of the victims, both dead and survivors, to politicize this tragedy and denounce oil. I'm sure their ships and vehicles only run on love and not on fuel oil or bunker oil, otherwise it would be quite hypocritical.
There were bright lights. Firefighters from the state of Maine quickly arrived to help which was s true act of kindness. There was support expressed by all levels of the Canadian and American governments, France, the UK and the Royal family, and other countries. The pope spoke about the tragedy and offered special blessings, important to the Catholics in the region. The huge support of Americans was fantastic. The majority leader of Maine expressed his condolences in French which was highly appreciated by all people of the town, the province and Canada. In the end the federal government passed much stricter laws, against the protests by the rail executives, for better rail cars, better procedures, requirements of personnel to stay with parked locomotives, insurance requirements, etc. It even affected regulations in the USA.
The Quebec government finally approved a bypass rail line in 2023. I cannot imagine why it took so long. Leaving the tracks in place is like leaving a fatal car wreck in the middle of town.
A terrible tragedy that affected regular good people that did not place themselves at any risk, and it had a profound, long lasting impact on survivors. Beyond the lives lost was the extreme environmental damage and the total historical loss that cannot be replaced. It is the worst kind of disaster. I didn't personally know any of the victims but they were part of us. Just regular good folk. Our people.
This was a really good compilation.
Someone I knew lived in a motel that shahed owned. Legend goes that shahed left the company and at least the motel (which was about as safe as the limo) to his son for cheep and fled because he knew what he had going was bad. The son wasn’t informed what he was stepping into when he received these “gifts” he let things run as normal and never stepped into a heavy management roll. Shaheds son got super screwed over, the limo company went down and the motel was condemn. This motel is now the McGregor motel on route 9 in Wilton ny
oh please, the father left the son the business months before the limo tragedy. in the video it mentions how many times regulators had informed them how unfit ALL his vehicles were. Shashed had many warnings, time, and opportunities to correct those wrongs and instead he decided to conceal them and keep operating as usual. There's no way he didn't know, even if he wasn't as involved in the day to day. that's bs.
The East Palestine disaster is eerily similar to the movie “White Noise” that came out in 2022, just 6 months earlier.
It's called predictive programming
In the East Palestine train derailment, the NTSB vowed that it would never happen again. Well just last week, April 2024, it did.
After some quick and horrifying math. i determined that LESS THAN 0.01% of estimated people involved in the Dona Paz tragedy survived.
4300 * 0.01 = 43
So if the number of survivors is 23, its actually less than half a percent survival rate if I'm correct on the math. Easily the worst peacetime maritime disaster on record.
Haunting. Tragic. Preventable.
8:18 sickening the deal had no time the d.a who wrote that deal should be locked up with him
right! glad the judge didn't just rubber stamp it and rejected it. Still got off way too easy
Not ending the festival sounds harsh but if they had evacuated they wouldn't have been able to get the ambulances in and out
Hearing town names that you grew up in is absolutely chilly
The poor person who decided not to get in the first car must have extreme survivors guilt.
The fact the conductor of the Quebec train was scapegoated pisses me the hell off. So angry he had to go through all that crap
That's nuts. I remember at the beginning, everybody was blaming him until, we learnt the truth.
1. The hyped up inspection law works only if the send their vehicles for inspection and obey the orders to repair. Since the limo involved, had it's inspection sticker removed, the improved laws would not have prevented this tragedy.
yeah the “new” laws that was implied after that accident, got no meaning at all.
so you car is not safe? oh here you got it back with a sticker on it.
so the only thing that would help here, is if the car got locked away until it passes safely check. and the company could prove they have drivers that can actually drive a long car like that.
Maybe they should use something harder to remove than a sticker. Like carved or imprinted into the metal.
The person who ran the limo company was a dirtbag, he should have been looked into with all of his businesses a long time ago
@@madarauchiha8146 exactly! or if not made compliant in XXX amt of days it is seized and crushed!
@@madarauchiha8146 impounded until repairs are scheduled, fixed, and passes another inspection.
Profits over people, its always been like this.
If you lose your brakes, downshift! It WILL slow you down
The driver had no idea what to do
The excursion is automatic but you can still apply the parking brake to achieve a similar result
@@nono99136 That would have worked too
So, they didn't even train him on top of not checking if he was sober or even certified for driving the stupid thing?
Damn corporations...
@@lf2417you can still shift into a lower gear. That’s what the numbers are all about in the shifter designations, like 6,5,4,3,2, and 1, or when I was growing up, they said L2 and L1.
@organrick true! For sure put it into low gear. Also some automatic cars have those shifter pedals on the gear shifter so you can manually shift in those cars too.
I remember first learning about the M.V. Doña Paz. It's horrifying how the ship just burst into flames, with the passengers having little to no warning. And then people compare it to the R.M.S Titanic. There was a clear difference in these disasters, though, people on Titanic had time to reach safety before the ship took its final Plunge, while on the Doña Paz, the passengers didn't have any time and there wasnt any lifeboats available. Though both of these disaters were tragic, the Doña Paz was more horrifying, not only for the crew but also for the passengers. RIP to all of the victims. 🕊
The Lac Megantic disaster is why you never have only one person when there's dangerous anything around.
That one made me feel so bad for that engineer/operator! He clearly had a lot of experience and took his job seriously, but when the company needed someone to blame (other than themselves for their ignoring safety regulations to save a buck ofc 🙄), they tried to pin it on him. Glad to hear he was acquitted.