Outrageous Bore Lol her as the fuse launched a beam out of earth to hit the moon causing the moon to catch on fire break in to bits and a big piece and hitting and burning the earth.
That saga gets wild I think its mostly because they kept the Xmen a little to grounded like mutants aren't out of the realm of possibility but a MF fiery bird from space that chooses a host to wreck things that's when the director was like "yea theres no way we can do that on the big screen" now we have to wait and see what stories the MCU will do with pl Phoenix.
Everyone’s talking about. She was shut out for years her power blocked so with her powers finally started to emerge it came out all at once. So technically if she had been loved by her siblings and dad and taught to use her powers that wouldn’t of happened.
Matt Chavez I wholeheartedly agree, next season, they all owe Vanya everything, especially Luther. They owe Klaus everything too for when he was kidnapped by Cha Cha and Hazel and no one ran to rescue him or even noticed he was missing at first, also, despite him being my favourite and he still is despite this: You have to acknowledge that everything that happened to Vanya was Klaus’s fault because he threw their father’s journal in the dumpster and Leonard/Howard, Vanya’s boyfriend found it and read everything and then manipulated and got her to unlock her powers which then led to the climax of the season here. I know, they should have loved and treated Vanya more with their love and helped her and they owe her all of that next season, I especially want her to have more screentime with them all and see her relationship with her brothers.
But when she was little and used her powers she killed all of her babysitters bc she didn’t like them so I think her dad convinced her she didn’t have powers and kept her on medication because he knew she was dangerous (but that’s just my opinion)
Same with Klaus, if the dad actually taught him how to use and control his powers he wouldn't have suppressed them and could've done all that stuff earlier
Add to the fact that her brain is no longer being affected by the medication given to her by her father and it’s probably not used to having so many emotions affecting her at once. It would be like being only able to stand still or run add to that Luthor being a dickhead and you get a massive meltdown
It’s all their faults. That’s kind of the point. In one way or another, all of the Hargreaves contributed to the apocalypse, whether it’s by pushing Vanya away, refusing to communicate their plans with one another or just doing REALLY stupid things. All their mistakes pile up and ultimately caused the apocalypse they were trying to stop.
@@failedabortion1493 Right because being vulnerable and sad ur sister is finding out that she has powers, killed the only person who's ever been supportive of her and seen her as special is a terrible person is her fault. The only thing you can blame her for is destroying Allison's vocal chords, and even that was justified.
@@failedabortion1493 Those were all the reasons why she was vulnerable enough to start the apocalypse. She was clearly okay before Luther, Allison, Klaus, Diego, and Five showed up at her concert. She only used her powers to defend herself. So yes, the apocalypse is Luther's fault as a shit leader.
Ellen Page did an amazing job with this role. She conveyed the rage and pain Vanya had on screen so intensely, almost as if it was her own rage and pain. That scene you included where Allison talks to Vanya just...ugh it was intense lol. As someone who plays the violin (not professionally, just since childhood), I was also impressed by how convincing her violin playing was.
I disagree. I never got the sense any bit of her in this show was amazing. Deadpan staring and emoting a frown into the camera isn't something all that mind blowing. That said, it was a solid job and she's a professional.
@Alexandra Grace IDKman Well she's a fictional character and you're not. So I'm sorry to hear that. You also didn't even get freaky superpowers as a consolation prize. I think I just didn't enjoy some of the script that she was given so she had to make up for it with the pensive stares etc. That isn't on her.
I think they meant Harold is the one who set off the chain of events that lead to the inevitable. Yes, it was the five siblings' treatment of Vanya that fueled it, but Harold is the one who made Vanya stop taking her medication and realise what she was capable of. Without him it was far less likely to have actually happened the way it did
Change my mind, but it was the arrogance of sir hargreeves that did set the events in motion. He was an asshole to kid harold, he was an asshole to kid vayna. He instilled fear, anger and hate in these two...
It's ALL of their faults, but first and primarily their father's fault. Vanya had a full psychotic mental breakdown- out of her control. No one would willingly choose to have one. She was drugged up by her father and he caused her to ostracized by her siblings their entire childhood. They lost Five and Ben and were not allowed to grieve. Their entire childhood was fucked. They were emotionally abused and neglected. Any of them could've stopped Luther from locking her up. Most people don't really understand how a dysfunctional family with an abusive father works. Shit usually gets really messy, it's just that they happen to have superpowers.
Vanya: Kills like 4 Nannys Reginald: Ok, cool Vanya: breaks glass a Bit too hard Reggie : SHE IS DANGEROUS I MUST LOCK HER AWAY AND LET HER FORGET SHE HAS POWERS
Here he realized that Vanya will always be distracted by the sounds which is causing her to lose control, therefore he thought it would be wise to just lock her up altogether in order to not be destructive.
@@QT_Jeanne Or more likely he realised one of his kids won't just take his abuse and not lash out. Reginald always did take pride in having control over everything especially the umbrella academy kids and the fact that Vanya lashed out against him made him afraid.
I love how everyone is sympathetic with Vanya now, but when the show came out people were hating on her character so hard lol. It made me sad back then because I empathized with her character a lot. I'm also really excited about where they're going to go with her character in S2.
Unoculus I never hated Vanya, I was upset with some of things she’d done with her powers such as killing her nannies, almost killing Allison and killing Pogo, but in her defence they all neglected her, showed her no love or affection, kept her isolated from everything and everyone and tried to suppress her powers, Leonard was terrible how he manipulated Vanya, but at least he wanted her to find out the truth about herself and unlock her powers to know that she was unique and special just like all her siblings, my heart broke for her when Luther locked her up, that was not the answer, also everyone was against him and wanted to help her but no Luther just kept demanding and stopping them until they gave up like they had no right or voice to speak or decide on the matter, which he always did whenever any of them disagreed with or were against his decisions, but 99.9% (100% for the most part) as I see it for why he locked Vanya up was because it was Allison who she hurt, but suppose it was Klaus, Diego or Five, would he have still locked her up then? Luther lets his love for Allison cloud his judgment that he doesn’t give any of his siblings the time of day. Next season, they all owe Vanya everything, and Klaus too considering all the torture, trauma, suffering and torment they’ve all been through, sure they’ve all been through that somewhat but none of them, Luther especially knows or understands the kind of suffering that Klaus, Vanya and Five have been through and it’s time they do and treat them all equally, if anything Vanya deserves all their love and to be treated as their sister and family which she’s always been to them.
Meh. I kinda disliked her character because the show was making it so obvious how we should sympathize with her. The show was just like "omg guys are you seeing this? Look at how terrriibleee this girl is being treating by her family. Isn't it just the worrssssttt? Are y'all on her side yet??"
@@ma1ist as someone who has a similar upbringing to vanya, I think this was the best they could have done. It wasn't on the nose, I just think you fail to relate to her which isn't a flaw on her behalf. Every one of her actions are justified given what she has been put through her entire life, and if you can't really see that I mean that's on you
@@Jack-hi1hq On the contrary it was too easy to see things from her perspective. So the show tries too hard to make us think her actions are justified. But they're not. Being a victim doesn't give you a pass to hurt others. It's unfortunate this happens but it the reality of it doesn't make it okay.
What was she doing at the concert tho (full white violin mode) they said when she finishes the concert the world ends so wouldn’t have it been the same outcome anyways
Amy Lara thats in the comics this way. Its way different. And they still thought that Vanya caused the Apocalypse while they didnt see how their behaviour made it happen
Well she couldn't because she couldn't talk at the time after the incident with Vanya and her violin. Plus if Vanya heard I heard A rumor she'd probably turn around and knock Allison out before she could finish
Deadpool I mean when she was little, rather than saying, I heard a rumour that you were ordinary, she should have just said, I heard a rumour you could control you powers and you were no longer dangerous, or something like that
@@kiyotakaayanokoji6272 then there would be no story line lol And she was a kid bruh. How would she have known. And as for the professer. He probably didnt think the whole world would be destroyed if he tells allison to tell her shes powerless. And i guess he also didnt know about their powers fully so he must have thought her rumour abilities only can change peoples minds. Not their bodies or more stuff. Like in the 1st ep of s2 she tells ppl she heard a rumour there head blew up and it does.
Harry Sarada Vanya could control her powers to an extent the problem was Reginald didn’t know how to deal with her emotions because her emotions make her powers stronger and when he would make her angry she would lash out like imagine a 3 year old throwing a tantrum at a store with a sonic scream the powers aren’t exactly the issue it’s the emotions that are causing the problem the powers are just adding more fuel to the fire
Shrug. I think the casting call for the role was just a non assuming incredibly generic looking individual. He looks like an incel in comparison to superheros in costumes and makeup.
Notice Five is the only sibling who is not present to challenge Luther when he locks up Viktor, and the only sibling who Viktor does not remember being mean to him as he blows up the academy. The show really should’ve shown us more of their relationship because it clearly was always a good one.
Not all, Ben defending Vanya when he was still a child and Five has been her friend, even when he's back from the future to whom he came to ask help on the very first? Vanya. Even tho Vanya does not awaken her power yet. But i agree the rest gone ignorance to her
@@vincenzi1961 she still is , and I know you ain’t trynna say that Lila is because she’s not she can only copy one power at a time and if they all team up on her then she DEAD
Am I the only one who laughed out loud when Vanya forced other violinists to take their seats and continued playing violin when they tried to flee in panic?
Yeah, she should not have killed him. I get why she had so much anger at him, since he seemed complicit in the effort to suppress her powers, but he was just as much a subject of Reginald as she was imo so there was a power imbalance if he had spoken up about her. And I understand why they were all afraid of her powers. Regardless, though, she was 4 years old. Couldn't they have at least told her a little later before she became an adult about them, and helped her control it? I guess she would probably still be very angry (understandably) about having that be hidden from her, but hopefully her rage wouldn't have been as intense? I guess we'll find out in S2, since it looks like they're going to try to "fix" the past lol
U guys think its vanyas fault cause she is technically the one that causes the apocalypse but you see everyone in vanyas life is at fault, sure they didnt destroy the moon directly but they did destroy vanya emotionally. Everyone is saying how vanya cant blame everything on their father because they all have the same dad but what you guys arent thinking about was that reginald hargreeves isnt the only person that excludes vanya they all did in the cut scene where vanya was destroying their house we caught a glimpse of what vanya had to deal with everyday as a child, that exclusion, manipulation and being called useless made her explode, she only also destroyed the house out of pure rage and killed pogo which yes you could blame vanya for that cause she took out her anger out on pogo but the apocalypse was not all her fault she was just minding her own business at the concert and if luther just listened to allisson will vanya have attacked them NO. The only reason she even shot the mokn was caused while using her power to grab her siblings allisson shot a gun right next to vanyas ear which caused her to lose control and destroy the moon. If they didnt have provoked vanya she wouldnt even be attacking them as you saw her smile at allisson when she was performing. Basically what I mean is Vanya was just the bomb her family was the fuse.
@@aespaworlddomination4645 no yeah i know i watched the first season like 2 times before season 2 lmao Thats what i meant i just didnt explain it well enough maybe but thnx anyway
Her going cold turkey on mood-altering drugs doesn't get half as much blame as it should. The pills could've done actual harm to her brain since she was on them growing up, and it definitely stunted her developing any coping methods. Getting taken off psych meds all at once makes you a mess even when they aren't prescribed purely to chemically lobotomize you.
Of only Luther had shown just a bit more empathy, love, care and understanding. Shit wouldn't have hit the fan as it did. 😤 Edit: and you know... Break his/their father's emotional immaturity.
It's not just Luther's fault. It's all their fault. Also, if the brothers really wanted to get Vanya out, they could have. Diego has subdued Luther a lot of times before. Keep in mind all of the brothers planned on killing her during the concert.
He will most llikely be in season 2 since they went back in time, also in my opinion he deserved it, maybe not to a point of being killed but she also wasn't the most rational at the moment
she depended upon pills which her serial killer lover leonard destroyed on purpose. Without those pills she have difficulty calming her nerves. So yeah, blame leonard, not her
She did plenty wrong, but it not entirely her thought, We see that by repressing her powers they made a monster, one born out of betrayal and loneliness, For all there powers there still human, and to much pain will brake people if not delt with
@@alanaspinall7147 I see it more as though they tried to get her to channel and learn to use her powers but she wouldn't let them teach her. They only repressed her powers after the nannycide and quite a lot of property damage. Vanya's powers either can't be controlled or she won't control them. In that situation I'd certainly try to turn off the switch. I know that everyone feels sorry for her because 'shitty childhood..blah..blah..blah' but they all had a shitty childhood, the only difference was Vanya was a walking bomb that couldn't or wouldn't contain her powers. Yep I can understand the anger when she was older, but I totally understand the reasons for locking up that ability when she was younger.
@@clairewarner5704 i think that the problem, it was to much power in tge hands ofa child, Most childen have traites that we as adults would view narcissists, or even lacking empathy. As we grow though learn empathy, and compression. Shehadtomuch power when she was to young, its as simple as that,
I forgot a lot of things but now I remembered how badly they treated Viktor in the first season, his reaction was completely understandable, everyone wanted to finish him off
The scene of Leonard yelling at Vanya might be my favorite example of non-physical abuse in any piece of media because every time he hits that book you can feel it
You can’t be mad at Vanya, She was just a kid when she was using her powers. It was to much for her to handle. That’s why Her dad Told Number 3 to convince her that she didn’t have powers anymore.
Ultimate Echo-Echo: My sonic doom is the most lethal sonic attack Present MIC: Oh really, then you should listen to my Voice quirk Danny Phantom: Hey, can you too shut up, I can’t hear you over my Ghostly Wail Vanya: Hold my Violin
@@Ilikefrogs.. I agree, both seasons 1 and 2 covered very few of his character, in the comics he is more relevant and funny, a bit sarcastical and with humour like Salem from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. He is supposed to represent the "entertaining quirky animal that can talk" trope, rather than the "old disciplined butler".
Kit nah, pogo aided daddy Reginald in his sick experimentation and lies. Screw pogo. Allison, however, I was pissed about, but she shouldn’t have tried to use her power
what do you mean shewwas a child? She was a full functioning adult and she slid her sister's throat, almost killing the only sibling who showed her real love, killed Pogo some was only listening to her dad's order and killed 7 billion people because she was sad
@@_xlampix1439 Actually, if you think about it, it's all entirely Reginald's fault for creating the apocalypse in the first place. If he didn't physically and mentally abused his kids, actually treated them well with love and care, and even trained or helped them out properly with their own powers, then the apocalypse would never had happened.
@@yagoosrighthand731 in season 1 , the way she swayed those lamp posts, and the way she killed Harold with knives and forks reminded of magneto , but yeah not much in season 2
I just realized that Vanya's eyes change like the witch's in 1978's The Stranger in Our House. A classic make-up approach still works after all these decades.
In the comics, Vanya's entire body is literally white, I think that her hair turning white in that scene would have been a nice and accurate reference to the comics.
I'm not sure. In the comics, Vanya is completely white but she also turns that way a different way in the comics. I think it might've been too much prep time for the actress and staff.
I love vanya i dont fucking care what ya'll say.. everybody deserved that for treating her like shit when she was little...all she needed was to fit in..all she ever wanted was not to feel like an outcast..i love her..
I really liked it when the white violin didn’t have all of that light and shit except when the uses like all of her powers now in season two there is always that blue light and I just think this looked better!
The one thing I don't understand is why does Vanya's power act so different than everybody else's? She essentially becomes an alien with how she looks and her power is the only one that can completely control her as if it's not her. Perhaps they are aliens or something that was placed on Earth for some kind of future conflict.
Vanya turning white was a reference to the comics. Her transformation actually has reasoning there, I won't spoil it in case someone reading this is reading the comics or wants to.
It is the way in which Viktor's power manifests itself. like when Wanda's eyes change color. In addition, his power is like another "entity" within him called "white violin"
Every superhero has something that gives them powers and abilities. Captain America: Vibranium Shield Iron Man: Suit of Armor Thor: Stormbreaker and Mjolnir Hawkeye: Bow and Arrow Black Panther: Vibranium claws and suit Vanya: Violin
Her power are the most fascinating out of everyone else there. How tough would she fare against Jean Grey, Emma Frost, The Frost Sisters (as they're taken over by the Dark Phoenix), and Mewtwo?
We just ignoring the fact the Apocalypse was, in the immediate sense, Alison's fault? I mean, her shooting right next to Vanya's ear is the actual physical action that caused her to blow up the moon. There's absolute no indication what Vanya was _actually going to do_ with the charge she'd built up - she may have targeted the moon on her own, she may have blasted it straight down into the planet, she may have intended to destroy the city, we don't know. Given she wasn't particularly suicidal at any point I somehow don't think it was her plan to actually end the world, given she'd die with it. Most likely she just wanted to do them what she did to Pogo, just flat out kill them, but in a suitably vengeance/hate filled way (hence the dramatic drain thing). I think the whole point of this Apocalypse was it was a self-fulfilling one, the very actions they took to prevent it are what caused it. Leonard/Harold was always gonna help/lead her to unlocking her powers (his intention presumably for her to kill the other 5 with them), but it was her siblings and fathers actions that escalated it to what she did with the mansion and the show, and their direct fault her charge hit the moon and blew it up. I mean, if they just let her be and NOT treated her like shit, she'd have slowly learned how to handle her powers, all because she couldn't (actually Reginald WOULDN'T let her) get a handle on her powers as A CHILD doesn't mean she couldn't do so as an adult. I mean, she was pretty much in complete control the whole time at the end there, she only destroyed/did/controlled what she wanted to other than the aforementioned gunshot next to her ear which caused her to release her built up charge at the moon instead of whatever she intended to do with it. People also seem to be forgetting the fact that even though she was very upset and absolutely lived with rage, she had the control to not actually hurt Alison until she tried to MIND CONTROL HER.
legoninja 987 it's Luther's fault... he decided to locked her up and to attack them instead of listening to Alison saying they should helped her with her powers
@@rrated_jay143 Not necessarily, they had to keep her alive because her POWERS were going to end the world but ultimately what drives her to use her powers in that situation is Luther and the others attacking her and even then her powers weren't going to destroy the world, it was only when Allison shot next to her head when her powers destroyed the moon. When you really look at it, it's the others fault the world ends, if they'd have just comforted her and tried to help her instead of locking her up and attacking her the situation would never have reached the point it did in the end.
@@Sabrianag91 todos hicieron su parte,cada uno ignoraba a Vanya y no le dedicaron tiempo a ella al igual que la hacían sentir menos. Eso se ve en toda la temporada,fue Luther el que hizo menos y a la vez más daño.
@@Sabrianag91 With that logic, I could blame Klaus for losing the notebook which led Leonard into finding Vanya. I could blame Allison for rumoring her all those years ago. I could blame Diego and Five for being mean to her. The point is you can't blame the apocalypse on a single person, because all of the caused it.
everyone is like sympathizing for Vanya and like saying how it wasn't her fault but do yall not remember... SHE FREAKING KILLED POGO WITHOUT HESITATION
Her concert was so fire that it burned the whole earth
And the moon 😂
Joseph castorena yeah😂
Outrageous Bore Lol her as the fuse launched a beam out of earth to hit the moon causing the moon to catch on fire break in to bits and a big piece and hitting and burning the earth.
Mr Fruit ROBLOX thank you we didn’t know 😒
Dam 1.1k likes. Thats the highest i ever got
Vanya's arc was what I hoped Dark Phoenix would have been
Over a dozen movies and a reboot and they still ruin Dark Phoenix twice!
Same here
Yeah. Instead Fox made them all trash. -_-
Darth Onyx Because the one in charge of X-men movies was still the same. They should have change the director of the movies for the reboot
That saga gets wild I think its mostly because they kept the Xmen a little to grounded like mutants aren't out of the realm of possibility but a MF fiery bird from space that chooses a host to wreck things that's when the director was like "yea theres no way we can do that on the big screen" now we have to wait and see what stories the MCU will do with pl Phoenix.
Everyone’s talking about. She was shut out for years her power blocked so with her powers finally started to emerge it came out all at once. So technically if she had been loved by her siblings and dad and taught to use her powers that wouldn’t of happened.
Matt Chavez
I wholeheartedly agree, next season, they all owe Vanya everything, especially Luther. They owe Klaus everything too for when he was kidnapped by Cha Cha and Hazel and no one ran to rescue him or even noticed he was missing at first, also, despite him being my favourite and he still is despite this: You have to acknowledge that everything that happened to Vanya was Klaus’s fault because he threw their father’s journal in the dumpster and Leonard/Howard, Vanya’s boyfriend found it and read everything and then manipulated and got her to unlock her powers which then led to the climax of the season here. I know, they should have loved and treated Vanya more with their love and helped her and they owe her all of that next season, I especially want her to have more screentime with them all and see her relationship with her brothers.
But when she was little and used her powers she killed all of her babysitters bc she didn’t like them so I think her dad convinced her she didn’t have powers and kept her on medication because he knew she was dangerous (but that’s just my opinion)
Same with Klaus, if the dad actually taught him how to use and control his powers he wouldn't have suppressed them and could've done all that stuff earlier
@@idk-fb8rt she didnt kill the babysitters...
Add to the fact that her brain is no longer being affected by the medication given to her by her father and it’s probably not used to having so many emotions affecting her at once. It would be like being only able to stand still or run add to that Luthor being a dickhead and you get a massive meltdown
Why to people keep triggering her while knowing she has enough power to destroy the world??
Feels like the DUMBEST thing to do.
I mean most of them didn’t know she had that power
Yeah, like Leonard continued to call her nothing???
@@sabrinasfruitcake Leonard knew she couldn’t use her power for time being of him calling her that
They didn’t know she had powers at first.
Ikr I felt so bad when they trigerred her
We just gonna ignore the fact that the apocalypse is Luther's fault?
It’s all their faults. That’s kind of the point. In one way or another, all of the Hargreaves contributed to the apocalypse, whether it’s by pushing Vanya away, refusing to communicate their plans with one another or just doing REALLY stupid things.
All their mistakes pile up and ultimately caused the apocalypse they were trying to stop.
No it’s vanyas wether you like it or not, what Luther did was completely reasonable.
@@failedabortion1493 Right because being vulnerable and sad ur sister is finding out that she has powers, killed the only person who's ever been supportive of her and seen her as special is a terrible person is her fault. The only thing you can blame her for is destroying Allison's vocal chords, and even that was justified.
mattchu_chow woah woah woah I ent blaming her for any of that I’m blaming her for blowing up the planet which ent justified in no way whatsoever
@@failedabortion1493 Those were all the reasons why she was vulnerable enough to start the apocalypse. She was clearly okay before Luther, Allison, Klaus, Diego, and Five showed up at her concert. She only used her powers to defend herself. So yes, the apocalypse is Luther's fault as a shit leader.
Ellen Page did an amazing job with this role. She conveyed the rage and pain Vanya had on screen so intensely, almost as if it was her own rage and pain. That scene you included where Allison talks to Vanya just...ugh it was intense lol.
As someone who plays the violin (not professionally, just since childhood), I was also impressed by how convincing her violin playing was.
She had someone who plays profissionaly to make the scenes where she plays. She only "plays" in the scenes her face is show
I disagree. I never got the sense any bit of her in this show was amazing.
Deadpan staring and emoting a frown into the camera isn't something all that mind blowing.
That said, it was a solid job and she's a professional.
@Alexandra Grace IDKman
Well she's a fictional character and you're not. So I'm sorry to hear that. You also didn't even get freaky superpowers as a consolation prize.
I think I just didn't enjoy some of the script that she was given so she had to make up for it with the pensive stares etc. That isn't on her.
She actually did a lot of depressing character shit lately..
@@ma1ist well her expressions are very believable, especially when she’s fighting Alison.
Everyone saying it’s Luther fault but it’s actually the fathers fault because he made everyone think she was powerless...
Her power is the coolest among them
I agree with you
I agree
i disagree, i think klaus' powers are cooler
@@raphaelmenorca230 yeah i like his powers too. But Vanya is the most powerful
@@thebravelass but it ain't as cool as Klous' imo
She opened her 7th chakra and was able to achieve going into the avatar state.
Never gets old.....
Earth bended the moon
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Was actually laughing when vanyas siblings said Harold was the fuse to vanya as the bomb. More like her family was the fuse
I think they meant Harold is the one who set off the chain of events that lead to the inevitable. Yes, it was the five siblings' treatment of Vanya that fueled it, but Harold is the one who made Vanya stop taking her medication and realise what she was capable of. Without him it was far less likely to have actually happened the way it did
zostera him and Luther were both fuses because Luther locking her up is what really triggered her white violin form
They could've prevented the end of the world by literally just being nice
Her family was the stick of dynamite, Harold was the lighter.
Change my mind, but it was the arrogance of sir hargreeves that did set the events in motion.
He was an asshole to kid harold, he was an asshole to kid vayna. He instilled fear, anger and hate in these two...
It's ALL of their faults, but first and primarily their father's fault. Vanya had a full psychotic mental breakdown- out of her control. No one would willingly choose to have one. She was drugged up by her father and he caused her to ostracized by her siblings their entire childhood. They lost Five and Ben and were not allowed to grieve. Their entire childhood was fucked. They were emotionally abused and neglected. Any of them could've stopped Luther from locking her up. Most people don't really understand how a dysfunctional family with an abusive father works. Shit usually gets really messy, it's just that they happen to have superpowers.
Vanya: Kills like 4 Nannys
Reginald: Ok, cool
Vanya: breaks glass a Bit too hard
Reggie : SHE IS DANGEROUS I MUST LOCK HER AWAY AND LET HER FORGET SHE HAS POWERS
Lol
😂😂😂
Here he realized that Vanya will always be distracted by the sounds which is causing her to lose control, therefore he thought it would be wise to just lock her up altogether in order to not be destructive.
@@QT_Jeanne Or more likely he realised one of his kids won't just take his abuse and not lash out. Reginald always did take pride in having control over everything especially the umbrella academy kids and the fact that Vanya lashed out against him made him afraid.
I swear, Reginald is a dumbfu©]{ who has extremely poor judgement, and the prime example of that is making luther (another dumba$$ in the story) the leader. And is it just me, or I'm reaching that people who don't trust their intelectual abilities are extreme controllfreaks in reality, because the lack of structure and a potential need to be spontaneous and creative in finding a solution stresses them too much. I understand that sometimes it can be anxiety, lack of experience or just young age, but mr hargreeves is an old man (actually even much older than he appears), seemingly experienced and deffinitely doesn't look like an anxious type.
"Miss Vanya! That's quite enough!"
*dies*
NO THIS HAD NO REASON TO BE FUNNY WHY DID I LAUGH
STOPEIFBDODBD
Five was her only friend and that makes me so sad
Dont forget allison, well adult allison because child allison clearly didnt like her
Add Ben too! On the flashbacks she was defending Vanya
Tony Stark Ben was so sweet to her :)
@@swifttodeath he*
Reuben F even adult Allison was a bitch to her when they have the “family meeting” without Vanua
I love how everyone is sympathetic with Vanya now, but when the show came out people were hating on her character so hard lol. It made me sad back then because I empathized with her character a lot.
I'm also really excited about where they're going to go with her character in S2.
Unoculus
I never hated Vanya, I was upset with some of things she’d done with her powers such as killing her nannies, almost killing Allison and killing Pogo, but in her defence they all neglected her, showed her no love or affection, kept her isolated from everything and everyone and tried to suppress her powers, Leonard was terrible how he manipulated Vanya, but at least he wanted her to find out the truth about herself and unlock her powers to know that she was unique and special just like all her siblings, my heart broke for her when Luther locked her up, that was not the answer, also everyone was against him and wanted to help her but no Luther just kept demanding and stopping them until they gave up like they had no right or voice to speak or decide on the matter, which he always did whenever any of them disagreed with or were against his decisions, but 99.9% (100% for the most part) as I see it for why he locked Vanya up was because it was Allison who she hurt, but suppose it was Klaus, Diego or Five, would he have still locked her up then? Luther lets his love for Allison cloud his judgment that he doesn’t give any of his siblings the time of day.
Next season, they all owe Vanya everything, and Klaus too considering all the torture, trauma, suffering and torment they’ve all been through, sure they’ve all been through that somewhat but none of them, Luther especially knows or understands the kind of suffering that Klaus, Vanya and Five have been through and it’s time they do and treat them all equally, if anything Vanya deserves all their love and to be treated as their sister and family which she’s always been to them.
Meh. I kinda disliked her character because the show was making it so obvious how we should sympathize with her.
The show was just like "omg guys are you seeing this? Look at how terrriibleee this girl is being treating by her family. Isn't it just the worrssssttt? Are y'all on her side yet??"
Tbh, it’s like all of these types of overreacting characters. She deserved to be angry, but she was arrogant and went too far.
@@ma1ist as someone who has a similar upbringing to vanya, I think this was the best they could have done. It wasn't on the nose, I just think you fail to relate to her which isn't a flaw on her behalf. Every one of her actions are justified given what she has been put through her entire life, and if you can't really see that I mean that's on you
@@Jack-hi1hq
On the contrary it was too easy to see things from her perspective. So the show tries too hard to make us think her actions are justified. But they're not. Being a victim doesn't give you a pass to hurt others. It's unfortunate this happens but it the reality of it doesn't make it okay.
How ironic to think Reginald wanted his children to save the world but his abusive attitude towards them cause the apocalypse
I actually liked Vanya a lot.
Yeah same here
I love her one of my favorite characters!
hate her stupid girl
@@dvz4252 Hey she a good character
Isaac Linares Shes OVERPOWERED. I hate her so much. UGH
Am I the only one here that actually see that she didn’t blast the moon on purpose?
I’m with you
Thank you!! Vanya is not my favorite character but I hate how everyone acted like she was trying do it on purpose.
What was she doing at the concert tho (full white violin mode) they said when she finishes the concert the world ends so wouldn’t have it been the same outcome anyways
I think its obvius its that little kids fault that shots her.
Amy Lara thats in the comics this way. Its way different. And they still thought that Vanya caused the Apocalypse while they didnt see how their behaviour made it happen
The Umbrella Academy did Dark Phoenix better than Dark Phoenix.
True
Stfu dark phoenix is the greatest movie of all time
Ahsoka Tano no
Agreed
@@nateluthor4643 I mean that’s your opinion..........but no screw that your opinion is wrong.
She should have just rumoured, ‘ I heard a rumour that u could control you powers’
Well she couldn't because she couldn't talk at the time after the incident with Vanya and her violin. Plus if Vanya heard I heard A rumor she'd probably turn around and knock Allison out before she could finish
Deadpool I mean when she was little, rather than saying, I heard a rumour that you were ordinary, she should have just said, I heard a rumour you could control you powers and you were no longer dangerous, or something like that
@@kiyotakaayanokoji6272 then there would be no story line lol
And she was a kid bruh. How would she have known. And as for the professer. He probably didnt think the whole world would be destroyed if he tells allison to tell her shes powerless. And i guess he also didnt know about their powers fully so he must have thought her rumour abilities only can change peoples minds. Not their bodies or more stuff. Like in the 1st ep of s2 she tells ppl she heard a rumour there head blew up and it does.
Harry Sarada Vanya could control her powers to an extent the problem was Reginald didn’t know how to deal with her emotions because her emotions make her powers stronger and when he would make her angry she would lash out like imagine a 3 year old throwing a tantrum at a store with a sonic scream the powers aren’t exactly the issue it’s the emotions that are causing the problem the powers are just adding more fuel to the fire
@@harrysarada2710 The asshole father wouldn't allow it. Remember, they were afraid to go against him...
The guy that interested in Vanya gave me huge incel vibes lmao
Shrug. I think the casting call for the role was just a non assuming incredibly generic looking individual. He looks like an incel in comparison to superheros in costumes and makeup.
I just wanted her to be with a girl. So cringy when she was kissing that guy. Ugh 🤢
@@avatrice3077
It was cringy reading that.
@@ma1ist Thank you saying what needed to be said
But he had sex with her, at least he didn't die as an incel
Notice Five is the only sibling who is not present to challenge Luther when he locks up Viktor, and the only sibling who Viktor does not remember being mean to him as he blows up the academy. The show really should’ve shown us more of their relationship because it clearly was always a good one.
She was treated so badly by her "father" she got insane in the end.
By her whole family* in her childhood at least. Then diego and luther hated her guts. At least Klaus Allison and Five didn’t hare her
Tuan Anh Dang Allison didn’t hate her but was kind of rude here and there
@@dylanlampin8404 Allison is genuinley annoying and cringe in this season wtf happened to her?
andy pete ??? I loved her the most this season
Not all, Ben defending Vanya when he was still a child and Five has been her friend, even when he's back from the future to whom he came to ask help on the very first? Vanya. Even tho Vanya does not awaken her power yet. But i agree the rest gone ignorance to her
I cant be the only one who thinks vanya is super cool and overpowered and honestly I’m on her side ngl
She is not the most powerful
Yea she is
@@simp4kimlip649 watch the 2 season😉
Yes i now
@@vincenzi1961 she still is , and I know you ain’t trynna say that Lila is because she’s not she can only copy one power at a time and if they all team up on her then she DEAD
Am I the only one who laughed out loud when Vanya forced other violinists to take their seats and continued playing violin when they tried to flee in panic?
possible mind control? maybe. It's funny that in several scenes, Viktor controls the others when he plays his music...
I love how Viktor is on a whole different power level than both Sparrow AND Umbrella academy...
I think the Sparrows character that can match him would be Christopher!
I get her rage. I do but. She killed pogo. And that cannot be forgiven
You are so right.
Why not,Pogo has been cheating her too,Pogo was a complicit in Reginald’s abuse and lies
Yeah, she should not have killed him. I get why she had so much anger at him, since he seemed complicit in the effort to suppress her powers, but he was just as much a subject of Reginald as she was imo so there was a power imbalance if he had spoken up about her.
And I understand why they were all afraid of her powers. Regardless, though, she was 4 years old. Couldn't they have at least told her a little later before she became an adult about them, and helped her control it? I guess she would probably still be very angry (understandably) about having that be hidden from her, but hopefully her rage wouldn't have been as intense? I guess we'll find out in S2, since it looks like they're going to try to "fix" the past lol
K Z Pogo did what hargreeves wanted him to do because he was loyal. he didn’t deserve to die
Eh, I dont know. I think I'd kill anyone who was complicit in my abuse if i snapped like vanya did.
Jean Grey is shook
She rolls her eyes in boredom
Auuuuugh scoooooooooooooooooooottttttttttttttttttttttttt
Jean grey solos
Nobody told me she was a patronus charm
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
@@carmelaante1048 HAHAHAHAHAHA
LMAO
She looks like a patronus but she'd starve out a Dementor
LMAO!
U guys think its vanyas fault cause she is technically the one that causes the apocalypse but you see everyone in vanyas life is at fault, sure they didnt destroy the moon directly but they did destroy vanya emotionally. Everyone is saying how vanya cant blame everything on their father because they all have the same dad but what you guys arent thinking about was that reginald hargreeves isnt the only person that excludes vanya they all did in the cut scene where vanya was destroying their house we caught a glimpse of what vanya had to deal with everyday as a child, that exclusion, manipulation and being called useless made her explode, she only also destroyed the house out of pure rage and killed pogo which yes you could blame vanya for that cause she took out her anger out on pogo but the apocalypse was not all her fault she was just minding her own business at the concert and if luther just listened to allisson will vanya have attacked them NO. The only reason she even shot the mokn was caused while using her power to grab her siblings allisson shot a gun right next to vanyas ear which caused her to lose control and destroy the moon.
If they didnt have provoked vanya she wouldnt even be attacking them as you saw her smile at allisson when she was performing.
Basically what I mean is Vanya was just the bomb her family was the fuse.
@@aespaworlddomination4645 no yeah i know i watched the first season like 2 times before season 2 lmao
Thats what i meant i just didnt explain it well enough maybe but thnx anyway
Her going cold turkey on mood-altering drugs doesn't get half as much blame as it should. The pills could've done actual harm to her brain since she was on them growing up, and it definitely stunted her developing any coping methods. Getting taken off psych meds all at once makes you a mess even when they aren't prescribed purely to chemically lobotomize you.
@@ischeele7203 YESSS like being on all those mood stabilizers ur whole life no wonder why she couldnt control her emotions
That scene with Alison and Vanya is my favorite, the acting was amazing
That “I love you Vanya!” Was so heartbreakingly earnest. That whole scene was amazing.
I just love her eyes in the power form... they couldn't be more beautiful and more fitting.
Of only Luther had shown just a bit more empathy, love, care and understanding. Shit wouldn't have hit the fan as it did. 😤
Edit: and you know... Break his/their father's emotional immaturity.
It's not just Luther's fault. It's all their fault. Also, if the brothers really wanted to get Vanya out, they could have. Diego has subdued Luther a lot of times before. Keep in mind all of the brothers planned on killing her during the concert.
@@_xlampix1439 it is his fault he's the only one who wants vanya in a cgae locked up her other siblings didnt agree with it
Pretty sure he had nothing to do with her psychotic murdering of every nanny she had.
@@FaxModem1 she was a child who disnt know how to use her powers. Doesn’t make her a psycho.
I’m so sad because 80% of the time, Vanya just wanted to play her violin without people insulting or attacking her
I almost cried because she killed monkey butler 😭😭
He will most llikely be in season 2 since they went back in time, also in my opinion he deserved it, maybe not to a point of being killed but she also wasn't the most rational at the moment
he has a name ffs
"monkey butler" bru😭😭
The way he died in the comics is way more horrible
@@alinerebillard8834 how did he?
let no one say Vanya didn't have control over her powers, she was able to use them perfectly. it was her emotions she had no control over
she depended upon pills which her serial killer lover leonard destroyed on purpose.
Without those pills she have difficulty calming her nerves. So yeah, blame leonard, not her
@@rich4204 refills are a thing that you can just go to a pharmacy and get
@@owlcat9692 leonard brainwashed her into thinking she doesn't need them anymore
It was the white violin, he has full control of his powers but not his actions
Vanya did nothing wrong you can’t change my mind
She did plenty wrong, but it not entirely her thought, We see that by repressing her powers they made a monster, one born out of betrayal and loneliness, For all there powers there still human, and to much pain will brake people if not delt with
Alan Aspinall you can’t change my mind
@@alanaspinall7147 I see it more as though they tried to get her to channel and learn to use her powers but she wouldn't let them teach her. They only repressed her powers after the nannycide and quite a lot of property damage. Vanya's powers either can't be controlled or she won't control them. In that situation I'd certainly try to turn off the switch. I know that everyone feels sorry for her because 'shitty childhood..blah..blah..blah' but they all had a shitty childhood, the only difference was Vanya was a walking bomb that couldn't or wouldn't contain her powers. Yep I can understand the anger when she was older, but I totally understand the reasons for locking up that ability when she was younger.
@@beefcakesmchunkerson9079 i'm trying to change your mind, i'm just pointing out that its complicated.
@@clairewarner5704 i think that the problem, it was to much power in tge hands ofa child, Most childen have traites that we as adults would view narcissists, or even lacking empathy. As we grow though learn empathy, and compression. Shehadtomuch power when she was to young, its as simple as that,
I forgot a lot of things but now I remembered how badly they treated Viktor in the first season, his reaction was completely understandable, everyone wanted to finish him off
I love going through the comments, seeing recent comments not deadnaming him, smiling, and looking for more
One thing Harold was right about Vanya is that compare to her siblings, she is a God.
Klaus will be mega OP season 2
@@yourwatch6701 Leonard said it, viktor is god compared to all of them.
man, she just need love. I want to hug her
The scene of Leonard yelling at Vanya might be my favorite example of non-physical abuse in any piece of media because every time he hits that book you can feel it
2:35 not me Vanya
Really ? Really ? What did he expected ?
@Mr. Troll hated him since the beginning lol
Maybe he was manipulating her but... i mean lets just way he wasnt as bad as the family
@@lazyboi2373 Oh he's much worse if that's what you mean.
Jaken Lich12 i dont renember what i meant my grammar is so bad
Vanya is so powerful the she can destroy the world while casually playing her violin...
oh well
Let's be honest. Vanya in a suit is adorable and you can't change my mind.
I love Vanya’s suit ❤️
Amen
I just finished the series...
Chile I felt Vanya's rage.
Like I was mad with her
weird how they changed vanya's / victor's power from this kinda demonic manifestation of telekinesis, to a simple shockwave later on
Agreed it’s like she got less powerful in the last season honestly
You can’t be mad at Vanya, She was just a kid when she was using her powers. It was to much for her to handle. That’s why Her dad Told Number 3 to convince her that she didn’t have powers anymore.
Elliot’s acting is spot-on with Vanya. It’s just as good as Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker.
I always crack up hysterically when Vanya is convulsing and screaming "I dont want your help"!!! and "Stop saying that"!!!
Wow so funny and cool
4:51 my favorite part of this song. Vanya’s true theme. As mysterious as she is.
Ultimate Echo-Echo: My sonic doom is the most lethal sonic attack
Present MIC: Oh really, then you should listen to my Voice quirk
Danny Phantom: Hey, can you too shut up, I can’t hear you over my Ghostly Wail
Vanya: Hold my Violin
Sis powers literally tried to reach for the stars
She's so fucking cool.
Was rooting for her the whole time.
I love just about every role Elliot has done, but I think Viktor and Juno are my faves by far. Kitty pride is a close 2nd.
Watching this series for the second time. They really nailed it. Case closed.
so she destroyed the moon
Yup.
Yes
And apocalypes came
Eggman would be proud
And the earth at the same time lol
i feel like im the only one here who didnt like pogo .. lol
You're not alone,lol. I don't get why people love him so much,lol.
I sincerely hate Pogo. Literally, what is the purpose of his character?
amber morgan
At first I didn’t mind it, but his compliance to The Father’s abuse of the kids was unforgivable.
I think its because he is a monkey. If he would be some old dude they would hate him too
@@Ilikefrogs.. I agree, both seasons 1 and 2 covered very few of his character, in the comics he is more relevant and funny, a bit sarcastical and with humour like Salem from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. He is supposed to represent the "entertaining quirky animal that can talk" trope, rather than the "old disciplined butler".
I was genuinely *so mad* at Vanya when she slit Allison’s throat and killed Pogo
omg me too
Kit nah, pogo aided daddy Reginald in his sick experimentation and lies. Screw pogo. Allison, however, I was pissed about, but she shouldn’t have tried to use her power
Mr Devilish dude she was a child, can’t blame her
me too!
what do you mean shewwas a child? She was a full functioning adult and she slid her sister's throat, almost killing the only sibling who showed her real love, killed Pogo some was only listening to her dad's order and killed 7 billion people because she was sad
This is all Luther’s fault
No toda,todo hicieron su parte en volver a Vanya lo que es
It's mostly Reginald's fault tbh.
It's not. It's all their faults. It's Reginald's fault. They all caused the apocalypse.
@@_xlampix1439 Actually, if you think about it, it's all entirely Reginald's fault for creating the apocalypse in the first place. If he didn't physically and mentally abused his kids, actually treated them well with love and care, and even trained or helped them out properly with their own powers, then the apocalypse would never had happened.
Demetria Dark lmfaooo
The ending was awesome and the soundtrack was heavenly /suspenseful when she started to suck the life force out of her brothers....just awesome
Leonard: *is completely aware that Vanya is powerful enough to end the world*
Also Leonard: *pisses her off on purpose*
Vanya enters the Avatar state and kills Sokka's first girlfriend (2019, colorized)
So basically she is Magneto. But instead of metal, sound.
Cool!!😁
No bro she’s sky/Daisy from agents of shield
@@skylerarroniz4204 maybe a combination🤔
Imagine being so good at the violin that you destroy the entire human race
So Vanya is a mix of Scarlet witch, Magneto and Jean Grey 🤔?
More like if Dazzeler was a violin artist instead of a pop star, and got possessed by the Phoenix Force.
Jean grey yes but magneto??? That's diego
@@yagoosrighthand731 in season 1 , the way she swayed those lamp posts, and the way she killed Harold with knives and forks reminded of magneto , but yeah not much in season 2
@@apoorvsingh4459 well if you are a psychic you can move anything... lets say she is just the combination of rouge and jean grey XD
@@yagoosrighthand731 isnt Lila more like rogue, and yeah Vanya is mostly Jean
I just realized that Vanya's eyes change like the witch's in 1978's The Stranger in Our House. A classic make-up approach still works after all these decades.
When everything turns white, why didn’t her hair too?
Too much time in makeup prep, plus possibility of inconsistencies if that were to be applied in the show
aesthetic
In the comics, Vanya's entire body is literally white, I think that her hair turning white in that scene would have been a nice and accurate reference to the comics.
ƒ。 that’s what I thought too
I'm not sure. In the comics, Vanya is completely white but she also turns that way a different way in the comics. I think it might've been too much prep time for the actress and staff.
3:22 This was the moment I thought to myself "Oh God. Vanya's in Dark Phoenix mode."
I love vanya i dont fucking care what ya'll say.. everybody deserved that for treating her like shit when she was little...all she needed was to fit in..all she ever wanted was not to feel like an outcast..i love her..
Really excited to see where they’ll go from here
Tbh Vanya is my fav character in the whole series.... 🐢💨
Ellen in this character reminds me so much of Beyond Two Souls
Yoooo! 😁
Jean Gray story telling, but it's brilliant story telling for this character 👏👍
I really liked it when the white violin didn’t have all of that light and shit except when the uses like all of her powers now in season two there is always that blue light and I just think this looked better!
The white violin is the so powerful in the group
The one thing I don't understand is why does Vanya's power act so different than everybody else's? She essentially becomes an alien with how she looks and her power is the only one that can completely control her as if it's not her. Perhaps they are aliens or something that was placed on Earth for some kind of future conflict.
Vanya turning white was a reference to the comics. Her transformation actually has reasoning there, I won't spoil it in case someone reading this is reading the comics or wants to.
It is the way in which Viktor's power manifests itself. like when Wanda's eyes change color. In addition, his power is like another "entity" within him called "white violin"
OMFGGGG I LOVE HIM AND HIS POWERSS‼️‼️‼️
his*
@@BbuyTheStars right
She got the power from the sound of the kettle
It’s kind of funny that in trying to save the world from the apocalypse, Reginald is the indirect cause of it...
Nah all of the part of the cause
Am i the only one here who likes Vanya?
Well, she blew moon and the earth at the same time. It was very awesome for a finale 👌🏻
4:06 4:10 4:19 her using the bow as a weapon or like a wand is 😍🤩
Every superhero has something that gives them powers and abilities.
Captain America: Vibranium Shield
Iron Man: Suit of Armor
Thor: Stormbreaker and Mjolnir
Hawkeye: Bow and Arrow
Black Panther: Vibranium claws and suit
Vanya: Violin
Her power are the most fascinating out of everyone else there. How tough would she fare against Jean Grey, Emma Frost, The Frost Sisters (as they're taken over by the Dark Phoenix), and Mewtwo?
Not well. They can telepathically fuck her up before she does anything.
Viktor scales to universal, he is not able to beat Jean. but maybe to the others yes.
I kinda love how nonchalant she is about killing those maids. Like holy shit, not a single fuck is given there.
We just ignoring the fact the Apocalypse was, in the immediate sense, Alison's fault?
I mean, her shooting right next to Vanya's ear is the actual physical action that caused her to blow up the moon. There's absolute no indication what Vanya was _actually going to do_ with the charge she'd built up - she may have targeted the moon on her own, she may have blasted it straight down into the planet, she may have intended to destroy the city, we don't know. Given she wasn't particularly suicidal at any point I somehow don't think it was her plan to actually end the world, given she'd die with it.
Most likely she just wanted to do them what she did to Pogo, just flat out kill them, but in a suitably vengeance/hate filled way (hence the dramatic drain thing).
I think the whole point of this Apocalypse was it was a self-fulfilling one, the very actions they took to prevent it are what caused it. Leonard/Harold was always gonna help/lead her to unlocking her powers (his intention presumably for her to kill the other 5 with them), but it was her siblings and fathers actions that escalated it to what she did with the mansion and the show, and their direct fault her charge hit the moon and blew it up.
I mean, if they just let her be and NOT treated her like shit, she'd have slowly learned how to handle her powers, all because she couldn't (actually Reginald WOULDN'T let her) get a handle on her powers as A CHILD doesn't mean she couldn't do so as an adult.
I mean, she was pretty much in complete control the whole time at the end there, she only destroyed/did/controlled what she wanted to other than the aforementioned gunshot next to her ear which caused her to release her built up charge at the moon instead of whatever she intended to do with it.
People also seem to be forgetting the fact that even though she was very upset and absolutely lived with rage, she had the control to not actually hurt Alison until she tried to MIND CONTROL HER.
"Miss Vanya that's quite enough--"
*Insta Killed On Stag's Horns*
The way she threw the nannies💀😭
Omg i so have a crush on him‼️ Love this scene and his blue eyes 😩😩
Normalize blaming everything on reginald hargreeves ❤
My favorite character ❤️
White Violin = Dark Phoenix!!! Pretty MUCH!!!
0:09 and 0:13 this scene look like homelander childhood in the boys amazon Show
In the comics 5 actually shoots her head and kills her
Well, at least this show's ending is way better (in my opinion).
all the differences that I found out from the comics are total trash.
This series is way better.
@@AngelLestat2 What makes you say they're total trash? Just curious to know why.
Cherry Pie I like the comic version of Peabody way more than the shows
@@Iqbalx1 Peabody don't have a comic book counterpart
Like It or Not, IT WAS LUTHERS FAULT.
No it's ALL there faults
She like the dark Phoenix so powerful like her
so the apocalypse must be allisons fault as she shot next to vanyas head making her aim a beam upwards then?
legoninja 987 it's Luther's fault... he decided to locked her up and to attack them instead of listening to Alison saying they should helped her with her powers
Seraphina91 either way vanya was going to cause the apocalypse as even the holder said keep her alive so the world would end
@@rrated_jay143 Not necessarily, they had to keep her alive because her POWERS were going to end the world but ultimately what drives her to use her powers in that situation is Luther and the others attacking her and even then her powers weren't going to destroy the world, it was only when Allison shot next to her head when her powers destroyed the moon. When you really look at it, it's the others fault the world ends, if they'd have just comforted her and tried to help her instead of locking her up and attacking her the situation would never have reached the point it did in the end.
@@Sabrianag91 todos hicieron su parte,cada uno ignoraba a Vanya y no le dedicaron tiempo a ella al igual que la hacían sentir menos. Eso se ve en toda la temporada,fue Luther el que hizo menos y a la vez más daño.
@@Sabrianag91 With that logic, I could blame Klaus for losing the notebook which led Leonard into finding Vanya. I could blame Allison for rumoring her all those years ago. I could blame Diego and Five for being mean to her. The point is you can't blame the apocalypse on a single person, because all of the caused it.
Is it bad I’m totally routing for her here? Although that sweet monkey deserved better
Nah, pogo enabled Reginald’s abuse. He deserved what he got
Mr Devilish *neglect. His neglect. And i dont blame his father. You cant blame a civilian during nazi germany for not doing anything.
@@jaguar_8344 but we all know that Reginald would've killed him or worse if Pogo did something
everyone is like sympathizing for Vanya and like saying how it wasn't her fault but do yall not remember...
SHE FREAKING KILLED POGO WITHOUT HESITATION