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Im picking one up when they get to 350 either on sale or used. Looks nice as a noodler on the go. Im a big fan of portable so its right up my alley. Ive tried them all at this point so ill give this one a shot in a few months when people try and sell after the GAS runs out
Ordered. Only gripe is 4 tracks - should have been 8. I’m also not sure about the reverse session view. I would have preferred the same workflow as push. I thought the left hand side buttons would have been scenes and not tracks. Step sequencer is good but maybe could have been replaced with track arm, mute and clip stop for 8 tracks. Step sequencing would still be possible on the bottom half of the pads with the 16 drum pads above. The encoders above them would have lined up for track volumes. Mines arriving tomorrow so I reserve judgement until I’ve tried it. I’m sure they’ve put a lot more thought into that my 5 minute review.
In the same boat. Biggest change I would make would be to put the jog wheel on the right, or let user swap functions of jog wheel and volume encoder. AKAI tried a left-hand jog wheel for the MPC2000/XL and switched course ever since.
Mine arrived yesterday. It’s very well made and is great fun. The note app is better value for money it’s got 8 tracks and a familiar layout. I don’t like 4 tracks and the horizontal way of working which is the opposite to the note app and the push. As a controller it’s ok up until you have more than 4 but I’m yet to try that out properly. The software is excellent and there is zero menu diving. So yeah it’s a great little machine but it should have been 8 tracks with a vertical track layout. I don’t like workarounds - just make great from the off.
Interesting take. I love it, Because I wanted to use live as a sampling device, But didn’t have an interface, microphone, and other equipment, so the move with the built-in microphone and sampler is perfect. I prefer pads and knobs, compared to a touchscreen, or computer keyboard, so I think the Move is perfect for me. It’s small, so it’s super portable, just like the Novation Circuit, but with more features, still packed into the same design and workflow. Good to know it’s fantastic quality. That was a concern of mine.
@@ChristianSchu just edited my take on it after a banging 4 hour jam session with a few non ableton users having a go. Everyone had a smile on their face and got something going really quickly. We did all agree 8 tracks is the sweet spot for this device. Yeah they did pack all the features in. Internal battery, mic, speaker, wifi all very welcome. Really does set it apart form other devices. Wireless transfer is a pro.
@@Marco-ek8wu I'm glad you gave it another shot. It definitely is limited, but I think it's capable enough to deliver on its purpose being portable and quick to use, but still packing quality production features. I'm glad you like it.
@@ChristianSchu love the limitations and simplicity. Just hope they don’t bloat it with too many extra features - that kind of happened to the MPC. I’d like to see sample chopping over the 16 pads and those 8 tracks. That would make it perfect for me.
@@robertjamesonmusic iPhones are more expensive than that. But even on the cheapest IPad (which is $450) the touchpad experience vs a dedicated tactile standalone device is just not comparable. And I know because I actually have an iPad with Garageband installed on it.
@@Drrolfski yeah maybe the push pads are OK to make drum beats on but to play a keyboard? Even a screen is better than these chunky push pads. This isn’t a device to make songs on, just to literally make loops. At least on an iPhone or OP one you can make songs and loop stuff if you feel like it.
@@robertjamesonmusic You're missing the point of this device. It's not a mini Push but basically an Ableton Note standalone. Therefore not a production device but literally a sketching device. Its promise is not to get a track done but to instantly grab it on your couch or on the go to get stuff sketched, which could be all kinds of building blocks for a complete track that you will end up making in Ableton Live on your desktop. So simpliioty, immediacy and ease of use is key here. All sorts of complexity-adding DAW features less so.
Hi TapeOperator, thanks for the question! I think that will depend on your devices. This box only has USB Class Compliant in, so it's not easily compatible with older synths and machines, you would need a computer or hub in between. Looking through its manual about tempo sync and the like, and it seems to be pushing Ableton Link as its main communication protocol and for device coordination, not MIDI. So if you have Ableton Live as the centerpiece for your set, I think that would be the best way to ensure that this does what you need. It's early in its life though, so as workflows develop and new features roll out, we will see how it evolves! If you would like to dig in more, give me a ring, would love to chat. Drake Sobehrad, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800)-222-4700 ext. 3271, drake_sobehrad@sweetwater.com
I am a push 3 standalone user... I would get this if it had some ecosystem like improvrmrntd.. I.E. combing the move and the push unlocks some cool features
Cool concept and at a competitive price, but they REALLY devalued this as a controller by not offering Midi CC out capability. Why even bother with having midi out at all then?
@@kitesponganyou can do midi note and gate out, but the absence of midi cc is pretty weird and limiting from a hardware perspective. I’m sure if you want to use the internal instruments, it’ll be fine. But it doesn’t seem like they really committed to making it a suitable hardware controller
I can forgive the 4 tracks but the sample editing/chopping doesn't seem to exist on this unit. Most of us who aren't EDM want something as portable as this that you can sample on chop up and instantly assign to pads. It's supposed to be an audio sketch pad. Hopefully in a future update they'll have better shopping options. But for $599 Canadian I'm just going to have to wait. Definitely nailed the portability though.
@@animalclinicmusic that's so cumbersome. We want the ability to do that after the fact. Regional/ Division and then assigned to pads it would make it so much quicker. Lazy chopping things would take forever
Can you edit the end point of a sample? I notice he didn't clip off his vocal after the snap sound and i saw another video where they could edit the start point, but couldn't find the end.
Not just a sampler - it's a groovebox with synth and sampling features. It's like the love child of Circuit Tracks & Circuit Rhythm, with tight integration to Ableton Live (projects can be directly imported into Live)
if you could plug the Move into your phone + use it to control Note, it’d be an instant buy for me. kind of baffling to me that it doesn’t integrate more with Note, it would’ve been the perfect mobile workstation
@@TheShredFaster whats the purpose of note then? Note is portable enough that don't need a controller or companion. Move is a portable standalone for Live. Do u think they didn't think about that
@@spectralknights2 that’s like saying “what’s the purpose of Live if you can control it with the Push?” makes no sense, how does adding optional functionality make an app purposeless?
@@tonybeatbutcher Non. It doesn't really work that way. It has sequences per pad ( 10 x 16 of them ) and 10 x 16 samples per pad to build those sequencers. It's kinda unique the way it works.
I can't be the only one tired of these hipster gadgets... This isn't worth £500. You can get a push 2 for less than that. Just give us stem seperation in Live and we'll forget about it this device
What are your thoughts on the Ableton Move? Is this standalone controller going to be your next creation tool? Let us know in the comments, and grab your own Ableton Move standalone instrument at Sweetwater today! 👉 sweetwater.sjv.io/WqBPqZ
Im picking one up when they get to 350 either on sale or used. Looks nice as a noodler on the go. Im a big fan of portable so its right up my alley. Ive tried them all at this point so ill give this one a shot in a few months when people try and sell after the GAS runs out
Usb mic support would be awesome
yay alberto!!! 😃 excited for Move!
Ordered. Only gripe is 4 tracks - should have been 8. I’m also not sure about the reverse session view. I would have preferred the same workflow as push. I thought the left hand side buttons would have been scenes and not tracks. Step sequencer is good but maybe could have been replaced with track arm, mute and clip stop for 8 tracks. Step sequencing would still be possible on the bottom half of the pads with the 16 drum pads above. The encoders above them would have lined up for track volumes. Mines arriving tomorrow so I reserve judgement until I’ve tried it. I’m sure they’ve put a lot more thought into that my 5 minute review.
In the same boat. Biggest change I would make would be to put the jog wheel on the right, or let user swap functions of jog wheel and volume encoder. AKAI tried a left-hand jog wheel for the MPC2000/XL and switched course ever since.
Thank you for selling on Sweetwater. Rob Heck is great.
I ordered it at 3am today from Sweetwater and my rep Bryan G. sent me the tracking number. It’s going to be a fun weekend 😅
Albertooooooo!!! Vamosss!!!
yeah cool toy, anyways where can i hear the rest of that fleetwood mac cover?
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Mine arrived yesterday. It’s very well made and is great fun.
The note app is better value for money it’s got 8 tracks and a familiar layout.
I don’t like 4 tracks and the horizontal way of working which is the opposite to the note app and the push. As a controller it’s ok up until you have more than 4 but I’m yet to try that out properly.
The software is excellent and there is zero menu diving.
So yeah it’s a great little machine but it should have been 8 tracks with a vertical track layout. I don’t like workarounds - just make great from the off.
Interesting take. I love it, Because I wanted to use live as a sampling device, But didn’t have an interface, microphone, and other equipment, so the move with the built-in microphone and sampler is perfect. I prefer pads and knobs, compared to a touchscreen, or computer keyboard, so I think the Move is perfect for me. It’s small, so it’s super portable, just like the Novation Circuit, but with more features, still packed into the same design and workflow.
Good to know it’s fantastic quality. That was a concern of mine.
@@ChristianSchu just edited my take on it after a banging 4 hour jam session with a few non ableton users having a go. Everyone had a smile on their face and got something going really quickly. We did all agree 8 tracks is the sweet spot for this device. Yeah they did pack all the features in. Internal battery, mic, speaker, wifi all very welcome. Really does set it apart form other devices. Wireless transfer is a pro.
@@Marco-ek8wu I'm glad you gave it another shot. It definitely is limited, but I think it's capable enough to deliver on its purpose being portable and quick to use, but still packing quality production features. I'm glad you like it.
@@ChristianSchu love the limitations and simplicity. Just hope they don’t bloat it with too many extra features - that kind of happened to the MPC.
I’d like to see sample chopping over the 16 pads and those 8 tracks. That would make it perfect for me.
thanks. where can we watch the full cover performance?
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No midi out jack (not usb port) was a glaring omission. Let's hope there will be Mk2 or something, than it will be instant pre-order.
Would rather stick with an OP-1 Field or iPhone w/ GarageBand
Sure if you have 2 grand laying around, this device is 450,-
@@Drrolfski iPhones are $450
@@robertjamesonmusic iPhones are more expensive than that. But even on the cheapest IPad (which is $450) the touchpad experience vs a dedicated tactile standalone device is just not comparable. And I know because I actually have an iPad with Garageband installed on it.
@@Drrolfski yeah maybe the push pads are OK to make drum beats on but to play a keyboard? Even a screen is better than these chunky push pads. This isn’t a device to make songs on, just to literally make loops. At least on an iPhone or OP one you can make songs and loop stuff if you feel like it.
@@robertjamesonmusic You're missing the point of this device. It's not a mini Push but basically an Ableton Note standalone. Therefore not a production device but literally a sketching device. Its promise is not to get a track done but to instantly grab it on your couch or on the go to get stuff sketched, which could be all kinds of building blocks for a complete track that you will end up making in Ableton Live on your desktop. So simpliioty, immediacy and ease of use is key here. All sorts of complexity-adding DAW features less so.
Can the drumrack be expand to the full grid (32 pads drumrack)
How well does it work as a Looper synced to an external device? I'm looking for a lightweight alternative to the blackbox.
Hi TapeOperator, thanks for the question! I think that will depend on your devices. This box only has USB Class Compliant in, so it's not easily compatible with older synths and machines, you would need a computer or hub in between. Looking through its manual about tempo sync and the like, and it seems to be pushing Ableton Link as its main communication protocol and for device coordination, not MIDI. So if you have Ableton Live as the centerpiece for your set, I think that would be the best way to ensure that this does what you need. It's early in its life though, so as workflows develop and new features roll out, we will see how it evolves!
If you would like to dig in more, give me a ring, would love to chat.
Drake Sobehrad, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800)-222-4700 ext. 3271, drake_sobehrad@sweetwater.com
I am a push 3 standalone user... I would get this if it had some ecosystem like improvrmrntd.. I.E. combing the move and the push unlocks some cool features
Cool concept and at a competitive price, but they REALLY devalued this as a controller by not offering Midi CC out capability. Why even bother with having midi out at all then?
all the reviewers try to ignore this glaring omission so they all knew Ableton messed up
Wow that blows, so you can only control Ableton Live?
@@kitespongan it seems so
@@kitesponganyou can do midi note and gate out, but the absence of midi cc is pretty weird and limiting from a hardware perspective. I’m sure if you want to use the internal instruments, it’ll be fine. But it doesn’t seem like they really committed to making it a suitable hardware controller
I can forgive the 4 tracks but the sample editing/chopping doesn't seem to exist on this unit. Most of us who aren't EDM want something as portable as this that you can sample on chop up and instantly assign to pads. It's supposed to be an audio sketch pad. Hopefully in a future update they'll have better shopping options. But for $599 Canadian I'm just going to have to wait. Definitely nailed the portability though.
Rtfm 😅
you can chop an incoming signal, by pressing a pad anywhere you want the chop to be at. Not sure if you can chop already existing samples tho
You can lazy chop incoming audio
@@animalclinicmusic that's so cumbersome. We want the ability to do that after the fact. Regional/ Division and then assigned to pads it would make it so much quicker. Lazy chopping things would take forever
Can you edit the end point of a sample? I notice he didn't clip off his vocal after the snap sound and i saw another video where they could edit the start point, but couldn't find the end.
It's in the encoders
Yes you can
Is that dolltrick singing?
Yep!
Not much of a demo but I'll take it
So it’s a sampler? Like a MPC from the 90s?
Not just a sampler - it's a groovebox with synth and sampling features. It's like the love child of Circuit Tracks & Circuit Rhythm, with tight integration to Ableton Live (projects can be directly imported into Live)
@@mrclaytron I probably need to see more videos on what it can do.
@@ed13adema Ableton has already put out quite a few videos on it to give you an idea though.
It’s not fire, it pretty good.
cant the move send midi clock ?
No way this is worth $450. Even as a DAWless controller, there are no 3.5 mm midi outs for external gear.
how are u sponsored with 2k subs? i never get how they choose these guys, that makes 0 real promo for the product.
bro i've seen guys with 200 subs doing sponsored stuff...
I love it
NI the floor is now yours. Dont mess it up.
you can get a used MPC ONE for that price which does everything.
Who needs an « everything gear » ?
Who wants to learn ac whole new format just for price sake
@@Gatohori MPC users.
@@georgerivera7193 I think this is more comparable to the MPC one+, which is considerably pricier.
Ok so keep going with mpc ! In many cases the workflow is howful on MPC. This Move seems to be easy and quick, plus portable and battery powered.
They should just make a blue-tooth control surface similar to this for the Note app. We already have that in our pockets...
if you could plug the Move into your phone + use it to control Note, it’d be an instant buy for me. kind of baffling to me that it doesn’t integrate more with Note, it would’ve been the perfect mobile workstation
@@TheShredFaster Yeah, I agree. I imagine this is a feature that’s not too far down the road, though. It just makes sense 😄
@@TheShredFaster whats the purpose of note then? Note is portable enough that don't need a controller or companion. Move is a portable standalone for Live. Do u think they didn't think about that
@@spectralknights2 that’s like saying “what’s the purpose of Live if you can control it with the Push?” makes no sense, how does adding optional functionality make an app purposeless?
@@spectralknights2 Because making music on a piece of glass is uninspiring in my experience
would buy it for 200€, but definetly not for 450€
This
ordered
I detect no ableton users in this thread of comments
Everyone complaining clearly hasn’t read the Move page on Ableton’s website. They have no idea what the Move’s purpose is.
I'll stick with my 404 Mk2
Ofcourse don't convince urself 😅
Can I ask, howmany tracks does a 404 has?
@@tonybeatbutcher Non. It doesn't really work that way. It has sequences per pad ( 10 x 16 of them ) and 10 x 16 samples per pad to build those sequencers. It's kinda unique the way it works.
@billB101 ok cool, so it has kinda like more possibilities to use fr exmpl the same drumkit with different samplechops?
@@tonybeatbutcher Watch the loopop video on it.
ha ha ha ha ha...it aint worth 500 bucks
fanbase milking as usual
Sure it is. Especially if the KO 133 is $450 in Canada. Unless you own one.... Shhhhhh
I can't be the only one tired of these hipster gadgets... This isn't worth £500. You can get a push 2 for less than that. Just give us stem seperation in Live and we'll forget about it this device