'It's a sort of punishment election' Ian Hislop & Helen Lewis on Sunak's departing speech | Today
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- Helen Lewis and Ian Hislop joined Amol Rajan to discuss the departing PM's speech and give their thoughts on the election campaign.
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I wonder if the Tories left a note saying "Good luck, we've stolen all the money"?
"Sorry there's no credibility left"
I think you are right. They've been kicked out because of ineptitude and corruption.
The same reason they were voted in.
Marina Hyde said it best in the Guardian on Saturday - what the election was was an eight hour victim statement by the British public
It does feel weird how hopeful I felt today. Not just a weight and stress lifted, but hope for improvements and a brighter future.
The next 5years will be the worst we’ve ever seen
Don't hold your breath. The 15.5million unskilled immigrants aren't about to become rocket scientists and electronic engineers overnight. They're going to be joined by another 5million unskilled immigrants at a cost of £50billion a year.
Because the UK is not racist, it's classist.
Yeah but it has been racist, and is no so racist any more. Obviously still plenty of racists, Reform got 14% of the vote.
4 million votes for the BNP (sorry, Reform) suggets that you may not be 100% correct.
Why not both
Nah, it's both. Don't be silly.
@@gnoccialpestoYou think the UK has a population of more than 66 Billion? 😂
The Tories are Finished ! I should feel elated, but all I feel is sad. Desperately sad for all the Lives Destroyed, Futures Ruined, Hopes and Dreams trodden underfoot. And their only punishment, a few minutes humiliation.
Be quiet ya wee fanny
Yes, me too. I feel a bit better to read that someone else shares that. I was hoping that LibDens would be voted into Official Opposition; their holding a Labour govt to account would make for real change.
I cannot understand why tens of thousands have voted for more Tory suffering. I just don’t get it.
Hopefully KS Will deliver on his promises. Let’s all hold our breath.
That depends on what direction they take now
They are finished for now. The same has been said of Labour my entire life. I have no doubt they'll be back and the people who voted Reform will return to a newly revamped horribly right wing Tory party who will promise low taxes with super services and the same bunch will vote them back in. I find it bitterly depressing.
They are gracious in defeat because they are leaving a bankrupt country having stolen all the silver
SUNAK' SUNUP, SUNRISE, SUN WORSHIPER. Aye! Evil' Unelected SUN WORSHIPER, Aye!
You are right Ian this is no time for Torie sympathy. Tories deserve no mercy but buckets full of contempt.
yet you guys voted tory in 2019. Again. As a European, I am amazed.
@@thesaw9988how about, ad a European, you stop voting for AFD and Marine le Pen and all the other far right parties on the rise in Europe.
@@thesaw9988 The same Europe that just returned a load of populist MEPs? The same Europe that’s grappling with the like of Marine Le Pen, AfD, Geert Wilders and Meloni? Judge not lest ye be judged.
But they are beneath contempt!
@@thesaw9988 The same Europe that just elected a load of populist MEPs? The same Europe that’s grappling with Le Pen, Geert Wilders, AfD and Meloni?
The Tories had no interest in improving the country, but wanted to reconfigure the country in such a way that flowed the economy more than ever to wealthier people, More billionaires in the UK, but nurses going to food banks. Rishi Sunak even said as Chancellor that changed money going to poor northern urban areas and moved it to Tunbridge Wells type places. They privatised our probation services to a hollowed out process of box ticking for newly released people from prison. During the covid pandemic, they saw disaster as a way to help their cronies make money, through ViP contracts. Even the Sunak's themselves benefitted from tax loopholes while in power. The amount of sleaze that we've heard from the likes of Johnson, to David Cameron lobbying for Greensil has been astounding. There is a reason why there is money, it's because the Tories stole so much of it and we are all suffering because of it.
Look forward to that all changing under Labour. But won't be holding my breath. Tax is higher than it has been for decades. £150billion of public spending every year goes to immigrant families on low incomes, set to double in .number in the next ten years.
@@PGHEngineer Where do you get your £150 billion a year figure from?
@alanbeckett4 £11,0000 per year universal credit. £7000 per year per child on education, £2000 per year per family member for NHS cover. That's £35,000 of public expedlnditure per family. Less £2000 a year tax on a minimum wage job gives you £33,000 net support from British taxpayers. 15.5million ethnic minorities of which 80% ate below the poverty line (according to Lisa Nandy). That's 12.5million requiring full support from the state, or theceequivalent of about 3million families of four.
£33,000 x 3million families = £99billion.
I was a little bit out when I did the original calculation because I did it in my head while watching a movie.
@@PGHEngineer It's an OK methodology but a bit flawed. For context the entire budget for Universal credit and Housing benefit is about £75 million and that's for the whole population, and 90% of that goes on UK born people, not Immigrants, who are less likely to claim it for a number of reasons, eg: entitlement restrictions and migrants are more likely to be in employment that bars them from claiming benefits. The main problem with the methodology is that you associate being below the poverty line with claiming 100% of benefit entitlement; only a small proportion of people who are 'in poverty' according to the definition (about £20k per year) are entitled to the amount you worked out. That's not to say they don't receive any of it, but it won't be costing the country £99 billion.
@alanbeckett4 I'm sorry but what you have written is completely wrong. The total cost of Universal Credit was £78BILLION in the last financial year. Not 75million. These figures are widely available.
As for what is available to a family on Universal Credit, calculators are available on the Internet to show what is available, and I have used figures for a family of four with one person in minimum wage employment, in line with Lisa Nandy's claim (taken from figures derived by the ONS) that 80% of ethnic minorities live below the poverty line.
It is worth noting that any migrant resident in the UK for 5 years can claim full citizenship and then full welfare, and this is why we see a lot of young men in the thingies and not whole families. They cone here as asylum seekers, obtain rightt to remain, then claim full citizenship after 5 years and then bring the rest of their family over as legal immigrants. Thus for every young man that comes over in a dingy as an asylum seekers, there will be another 3 to 5 dependents that cone over in the legal.migration figures.
This is aligned with observations that large numbers of ethnic minorities live in the poorest parts of our inner cities, and vote for the Labour Party largely because they are dependent on welfare. Alternatively you could claim the opposite, that ethnic minorities are doing rather well and are not a burden on the UK taxpayer - but then you'd have to abandon both the claims that they are the victims of racism and the evidence of one's own eyes.
Of course, you can go on believing whatever you want to believe.l, but I am reminded of the Ayn Rand quote "You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality". So given enough time, even if you refuse to admit that the UK cannot keep.importing the unskilled of the world in their millions to work for Uber Eats, others will be forced to accept that not only must it be stopped but actually reversed.
Couldn't the BBC have found a couple of quid to do a special edition of HIGNFY tonight.
They've spent it on a NFarage exclusive Question Time instead
i know, miss the election specials :(
Nobody watches it any longer.
@@agt155 I almost always watch it, sometimes it's really good depending on the news that week.
Bring back Angus Deaton while you're at it ;)
Well said. Australia had one female PM and the reaction from some quarters was frankly horrifying. We have yet to have a PM of colour let alone non-heterosexual. Ireland's had both in Leo Varadkar. Politics in Australia has some distance to go before coming close to that of the UK, for all its faults.
I'm Australian, and lived in the UK for nearly 40 years. I think the Uk is very very tolerant. Even more so than my own country - an immigrant country. I fear the influence of Reform. They thrive on hate & division, it's all they have.
Pomme who has lived in Aus for close to 20 years..
There is a lot to be said for mandatory preferential voting, they way its going here i cant help but believe it weeds out the lunatics (Hanson and Palmer nonwithstanding)
Tolerance isn't always a virtue; it can also mean enduring suffering. You can tolerate pain, violence, or being replaced. The issue with people like you who advocate for 'tolerance' is that you often speak from a place of comfort and safety. Moreover, 'diversity' and 'division' share the same root word. So, don't blame the messenger....
Aus in an immigrant country. But it's a highly selective immigrant country. It doesn't let 700k in a year, of which only 14% are skilled.
It's easy to be tolerant of things if you have no principles and others are the ones suffering.
You have a very negative slant on this. You are also assuming a lot about people who are in favour of tolerance. I think you should take a look at yourself first mate.@@skymanifest8339
Yes indeed...people hate Dishonesty and Stupidity!!!!!
so you voted tory, again in 2019 to top it off. It is amazing. And brexit.
Were does the stupidity start....
So they voted for Starmer who is a pathological liar,who has broken every pledge he has made.
I do think they "but did Labour really do that well" is being presented with a little bad faith. Mason knows how the UK electoral system works, your campaign always aims for efficient distribution of votes across seats, not a raw proportion of votes. Those are the facts of the UK system. Labour might have had higher raw vote numbers during the Corbyn years but they stacked up in already high voting Labour areas.
Labour won resoundingly by a laser focus on efficient vote distribution in non Labour supporting areas. The result is how every government wins office. Cameron was PM on similar levels, I don't recall any discussion of their mandate.
Sometimes it feels Labour are judged by different standards to the Conservatives.
Kinda like how Democrats are judged on seemingly different standards than Republicans in the US. Infuriating, really
UPSIDES ??????
LABOUR WON !
TORIES LOST !
What more do you want.
Downside; Lee Anderthal, Forage, Tice?
The Tory Rump* being from the Reformesque wing of the Party; meaning that, in some ways parliament will be even more polarised than ever.
* Synonymous with arse.
What more? How about Labour out too. Labour winning is not an upside, they are no different to the Tories. All that's changed is the name.
@@Elwaves2925 it’s time for your meds dear!
(Nurse, no 2925 has escaped from their locked ward again.)
Better grammar.
It's
LABOUR HAVE WON.
@@adam_meek or possibly The Labour Party HAS won?
There's nothing positive to say about Liz truss
Good knockers
I completely disagree! She gave King Charles a pretend Prime Minister to have a try out on before a proper one, once he'd got the hang of having a Prime Minister. Remember how people wondered if he'd be any good? She made him look GREAT.
To me it looks more as though the UK voted out a government rather than vote one in, this is shown in Labours share of the vote note really improving.
Exactly, they’ve got a lot of work to do other wise we’re going the way of Europe and are probably looking at a Reform government in 2029
SUNAK' SUNUP, SUNRISE, SUN WORSHIPER. Aye! Evil' Unelected SUN WORSHIPER, Aye...
Glad to see the back of the Tories, no sympathy for them whatsoever.
Helen Lewis and Ian Hislop are two of my favourite people, where can I watch the rest of this?
Hedge fund days aside, Sunak isn't evil by choice. He made a Faustian deal with 100 MPs to prevent Johnson's likely reinstallment by party vote. In return he kept some vile characters in senior posts. Neither wise nor admirable, but that's the bargain.
Sunak supported Brexit and Johnson as PM, bringing catastrophe to untold numbers of people. Please save your sympathy for someone more deserving.
Where can I watch the whole interview with Helen& Ian? None of the links bring me to it.
"No violence" is a pretty low bar. I also think the racially motivated element of the Tory collapse is underestimated.
Im listening like i understand what they are talking about. But i dont have a didgery doo.
Pretty much like Liz Truss when she was getting voted out then :)
Neither do they
It’s the will of the people. 🎉🎉 😂😂
Gracious? Come off it; don’t tell me you believe that?.?
Gracious isn't about being believed.
Punishment issued by the electorate, the public had long memories. The tories made HRH grieve on her own whilst thry held parties 😡 . Then the insult to the WW2 veterans on D Day...
I'm not convince the electorate have a long memory.
A punishment beating for the Tories, verging on the electorate being sadistic. That's around 250 ex Tory MPs who'll be queuing up for employment at GB News on Monday 8 July.
Replaced by who though?
Sympathy for the Tories???.....they left the country in an appalling state while lining up the pockets of their bermuda shorts on the Cayman Islands.
SUNAK' SUNUP, SUNRISE, SUN WORSHIPER. Aye! Evil' Unelected SUN WORSHIPER, Aye..
Who exactly is this Helen Lewis charater?
She slagged off independent candidates that beat Labour in the election
Yeah, Rishi got well spanked! 🎉🎉🎉
Which seats had the violence and intimidation? I notice they were only ones with a police presence there last night as well.
@NTL578 The BBC don't want to cover that particular 'joy of diversity'. You can bet if Reform members were slashing tires and abusing women, it would be headline news on the BBC.
LIZZ TRUSS, this election's "Portaloo" 🚽moment !!!🤣🤣
Didn't she look absolutely MAD?!
Labour will fix everything 😶
What shallow fatuous values we espouse & praise.Its a generation thing.
Haha Hislop goes straight in. He weren’t playing around about the graciousness
Rishi backed Boris get your head around that one.
Over 300,000+ people have been murdered as a result of tory austerity policy. Now that they've been rightly kicked out of government the right thing for Labour to do would be to have a thorough criminal investigation for murder and bring to justice all those responsible.
Lewis who slagged off independent candidates that won seats off Labour . Get in the bin
This election is a prime example of why FPTP doesn’t work.
End the two party system now and bring in proportional representation!
Labour were not voted in, the Tories were voted out! (Deservedly)
SUNAK' SUNUP, SUNRISE, SUN WORSHIPER. Aye! Evil' Unelected SUN WORSHIPER, Aye1
Ian's right. The Tories were pushed down the rubbish chute.
SUNAK' SUNUP, SUNRISE, SUN WORSHIPER. Aye! Evil' Unelected SUN WORSHIPER, Aye
I like Hislop - because you know that in a few months time he'll be holding Starmer's feet to the fire.
You expect Labour to sort everything out in a few months unbelievable
Please explain to me where I said that. All I was commenting on is that Hislop is an equal opportunity politician roaster.
What a crock
My arse Tory sycophants
Whilst I shed a few tears of relief that the tories are out, I have no optimism for the future. The decline may slow down slightly and the disparity of wealth will continue to increase under Labour. I fear for the rise of the far right in five years time. I'd like to leave but it seems to be just as bad everywhere else.
Cheer up.
@@mcjs8640 I've had a pint.
These two are useless ideologues.
Now, we can look forward to a new and exciting facade to represent The Establishment, who I imagine will either continue to strip-mine what little wealth the UK generates into foreign-based tax havens, or will appeal to ‘moderates’ to avoid staving off potential revolutionary conditions. It’s kind of sad, really.
Assuming a lot, aren't you?
Starmer is a trotskyist. Read his history.
He was one almost forty years ago. Prominent rightwing commentator Peter Hitchens keeps wheeling this fact out, until it's pointed out that Hitchens himself was also a Trotskyist fifty years ago.
There's absolutely nothing in Starmer's manifesto that resembles Trotskyism and the right wing will eventually give up with this scare tactic when it becomes extremely obvious Labour aren't implementing anything resembling it.
During an exit poll, 70% of the voters that voted for Labour said that the most important reason to vote Labour is because they want the Tories out. 3% of the Labour voters said to have done that because they are convinced by the Labour leader (K. Starmer). The least one can say is that Kier Starmer wasn't exactly the reason so many people voted Labour. Reality is that Labour are given a very weak mandate by the British voting public.
that's always the reason why parties are voted out though. No one's ever said 'this lot are great but we think the other lot are better'. It's always been about voting people out.
@@mikeymoo1291 that's not a healthy way of thinking
@@vgstb It's true in this case, tho. Hence the low vote share - result of tactical voting to get the Tories out of office. Vote share could well swing the other way if Labour do a decent job, and far right vote share has remained stagnant since UKIP days.
This discussion couldn't be any more North London Bubble, if it tried. The BBC is beyond a joke!
Oh, go away.
@@mcjs8640 No.
I expect no less from either of these two, as they also work for Private Eye. They think they are the rebels - but they are very much part of the establishment.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat Farage , Tice and reforms backers all the same , just a different branch
This is like Dinosaurs discussing the meteor hurtling towards earth. The Uniparty barely got 50% of the vote - it's over next time.
1:48 Typical BBC, conflating legal immigration with illegal immigration. Pathetic.
Starmers labour did not win, the tories lost. Labour got less votes than in 2019. Just more of the same.
SUNAK' SUNUP, SUNRISE, SUN WORSHIPER. Aye! Evil' Unelected SUN WORSHIPER, Aye.
The presenters are deluding themselves…. there is so much hatred and distrust of anybody other than white British
Hislop...the amazing font of ignorance that keeps on giving.
The BBC is Crass👎🏴
I hope Ian had his Adult Diapers on
If not sure you have a few diapers to give him.
Comments like that add nothing and only embarrass
Bbc tory rubbish
Looking, in the context of immigration , at those being touted as his replacement and their almost pathological hatred of it (Invasion! Stop the boats! Rwanda!) it’s worthy of note that, on the basis of the 8 I saw listed, all but 2 were clearly of immigrant “heritage”.
I speak as someone part of whose family “invaded” on a “small boat” from France.
In 1066.
My family 'invaded' in the 20's and 50's ..i deported myself in the 00's..good balace?
Nice reference to 1066. Very accurate description seeing as that was an unwanted invasion too, with far less people may I add
@@frankryan2505 prescient move!
You got out before they started undermining the foundations and causing the roof to start its collapse.
France didn't exist until 300 years after the conquest. You probably think you're being smug, but is comparing contemporary immigration with violent colonisation really a wise move?
@@skymanifest8339 isn’t it the very benefits of “Violent Colonisation” that these right wing Empire Nostalgia freaks are really voting for with Leeanderthal and Reform?