Destiny continues to push back. This time against dangerous/irresponsible medical advice on self diagnosis, doctors and mental health made by Demonmama in response to Vaush debate. Timestamps Click 0:00 - Teasers/Intro 0:35 - Demonmama vs Vaush debate 3:10 - The flaws in Demonmama's logic/argument 10:22 - What Demonmama says betrays her deep misunderstanding... 13:45 - Diagnosing yourself and why it's damaging 14:55 - Self diagnosis is NOT essential and can sometimes be detrimental 25:30 - Qualitative vs quantitative, therapy 39:24 - Are doctors gate-keeping mental illness? Diagnosis, prescriptions and medication 44:55 - Borderline Personality Disorder self diagnosis... 52:25 - They try to tie it back to trans people so you can't criticism them 57:55 - Demonmama is kind of correct here BUT... 1:00:40 - Unhealthy obsession with self diagnosis 1:07:23 - Thyroid problems and Alzheimer present similar symptoms 1:08:56 - Destiny hates Demonmama's medial advice and it's irresponsible 1:14:03 - Writing off institutions and communication vs gatekeeping 1:16:30 - Trialing different medication, birth control example, SSRI 1:26:48 - Pronouns and neopronouns smooth out language? 1:36:37 - Your personal expression doesn't extend to everything, neoadjectives? 1:40:09 - You can't attack/criticize crybullies
I hate it how she talks about every goddamn thing with so much authority not realising she could potentially put people in harm's way. It is so infuriatingly stupid and dangerous
Heres the thing. Theyre clearly a mentally ill person that the online sphere pretends is normal because we have to act as if everyone and everything is valid.
@@Le_Trouvere Why do you think Hasan and Vaush cut off Destiny? They got too big to risk their image from the only guy who would honestly challenge their ideas.
I’m high functioning autistic and my older sister is low functioning. She can communicate and dress herself but she will require some assisted living the rest of her life. I vividly remember this moment when we were younger and she was aware enough to understand that we didn’t have a conventional family dynamic like most other families. Her growth from a social standpoint was stagnant were mine was slowly edging past hers. I could drive, have a job, and eventually live on my own. She started crying and expressed that she “didn’t want to be retarded anymore”. It broke my heart hearing her say that. If low functioning people with autism had the choice to live a conventional life they absolutely would.
I actually got in an argument with someone who claimed to be high functioning that tried to argue that low functioning wasn’t a disability, and that a cure for it would be evil. I was actually dumbfounded
It's fine to get a second opinion, but if three random doctors tell you the same thing, it's time to stop fishing. In stats we correct for multiple testing or a reason.
So basically. Dangerous rhetoric from Demonmama. (Convincing people that self-diagnosis is superior to a professional diagnosis) Dangerous mindset to have. (Shopping for doctors until you hear what you want to hear)
I think people should shop around for physicians or whatever, but not to gwt a different diagnosis. Some people just don't really click for you in that way, and I'm glad there are tons of doctors for that reason.
I've gone to psychologists many times. I can tell you, with 100% certainty, that they DO NOT want you to self-diagnose. They also will shut down most people that play victim. I once started to ritualize self-harm. I was rehearsing suicide and was probably very close to following through. I was SUPER depressed and incapable of handling it. When I went to the psychologist, I was trying to get him to ok me for disability support because I didn't have a job and I was just emotionally incapable of working. I was SHOCKED at how resistant he was. He literally shut me down and started making me do things IRL to actively jump start my life. He diagnosed me with depression but he didn't play into my victimhood. In the end, he helped me get a job and get my GED. In talking to him, I became very aware of the difference between how psychologists treat mental illness and how these self-diagnosed internet people act like it needs to be treated. They do NOT play into the victimhood angle. They will actively push you to do many of the things that a lot of self-diagnosed internet people will pretend they simply can never do. That's part of the treatment. I think the prevalence of self-diagnosis is, in part, due to the unpleasantness of actually going to a therapist or psychologist and having them shut down your bullshit.
That's because psychologists understand the root causes of depression and how to help bounce back from it, whereas twitter 'woe is me' self-diagnosed depressed people do not. A lot of the times, depression can cause inaction and loss of interest in anything that people themselves formerly found interesting. Therefore, fundamentally, action against that inaction would be the best way to fight it. Instead, internet self-diagnosed people will just advocate feeding into that cycle of not doing anything, which just enables and furthers the cycle of inaction.
I had a severe eating and exercise disorder for many years. Seeing literally anyone exercise or miss a meal would send me into a fit of rage and hatred because it meant I wasn’t as good as them. I wanted people to stop exercising around me, and my demands became more and more extreme. The psychiatrist didn’t have any of it - avoidance, “trigger warnings”, self pity party’s, walking on eggshells around you - none of this helps the problem and in fact enables it. I’m so grateful he put me through the unpleasant hell that was treatment, because the hell that was the illness was a thousand times worse.
When you have diagnosed BPD like me therapists are abit more careful than the ones youre describing lol. Invalidating the way people with BPD feel is dangerous asf so.
@@ThepPixel yeah the difference is that BPD is severely different in terms of the dynamic between a victim mentality as well as how how positive feedback loops can form around enabling it. Self-diagnosis can be dangerous because it can misinform you and the medical professionals around you about what type of support you need, and what type is psychological enabling.
As someone who has gone through this multiple times, I can confidently say that googling symptoms and self-diagnosing are some of the easiest ways to severely mess with your own mental health. It's why I had to disable my browser on my phone. So please don't listen to Demon Mama, if you think something's wrong with you, go to a doctor.
@@richardsantanna5398 Or just don't, work on your actual issues/symptoms as their own problems till you can see a mental health professional and don't attach yourself to a medical label. And social anxiety is far from a "mild disorder", it's not just being shy or socially awkward.
@@AnimeFan9833 Having a clinical diagnosis to label yourself with can help someone work on their issues by making them realize they're not the only ones who feel this way and making them feel not so alone. I know it's more than just being shy, but it's definitely mild. Especially when compared to something like schizophrenia.
@@richardsantanna5398 I can barely put into words how hard I disagree with this, especially the "social anxiety is mild" part. So I'm just gonna say *No.* and dip
I think a lot of people truly don't understand how bad an actual mental disorder is. 90% of the time people throw out anxiety and depression without never having actually been diagnosed, or even know what it's truly like at all. Like you can have anxiety. But an anxiety disorder COMPLETELY takes over your life to the point where you can hardly function as an adult. And if it gets bad enough, can even lead to straight up psychosis.
@@xDDufiosy think my reply got deleted but I said panic attacks feel like youre actually drowning / in space with no oxygen. And it makes you believe 100% that your life will end in the next 10 seconds. The first three anxiety attacks I had I called 911 each time because I actually thought my life was in danger, until I understood what it was.
100%. Real anxiety isnt fun. Real anxiety ruins entire days, stops you from going to do something fun that youve had planned for weeks/months, tricks your brain into thinking everybody cant stand you. Real depression makes nothing really matter, ESPECIALLY if other people think your "special" or "quirky" for having depression. Real anxiety/depression are literally monsters in your head. I think everybody that has real anxiety/depression can tell when most of those stupid types of people are just "saying" they have these things just to seem "special" or something I guess to others.
Man this was one terrible take by DM, this is seriously damaging, especially with the audience she seems to cultivate. Every time she makes a statement qbout this its like she's so confident and so fucking wrong.
The confidence is what makes me so mad. People following you doesn't make you an authority on every frickin thing under the sun. You have to realize that with such shitty ass takes you are subjecting people to possible harm and that is as horrible and disgusting as it gets
What's worse is if you criticize any of her positions they immediately go on the attack and label you with "demon mama Derangement syndrome" and dismiss whatever you say. Cults are a danger
@@a13605 They always been a problem they prey on human weakness of their needs to be social and validated. While also telling them to hurt themselves and or others to prove themselves. To call somebody a "creep" for options yet then go "yes mistress I'm a good puppy after protecting their 'leader's' bad take".
It really gives me "do your own research" vibes. "Don't care what professionals tell you, do your own research and come to your own conclusions." Trust me if we applied this to ANYTHING else, people like Demon Mama would agree that it's a really fucking stupid position.
@@Ash-jm3pd Yes a trained medical expert actually can because this isn't just about what you feel and what specfic issues you have. It's about slapping a medical term on those issues. That's like saying "no one can tell you what's wrong with your car better than yourself", of course you know your car but if you wanna find out whats wrong and how to fix it, a mechanic is going to do a better job.
I think, the problem here is what you define as doing research. You should not by default accept everything a professional tells you. Why? Like everyone else Professional's can fall into pitfalls like everyone else. Some researchers are often so entrenched in their own bias's they can't move past it. What should you do is if you're really concerned about your own health? Read a variety of view's from /professional's/ and come to a conclusion based on that. Unless you know how to do qualative and quanative research and analyze it, it's useless to you as an individual. You also are not taking that data up against trained professional's to analyze it. You actually see this a lot in Liberal Arts; though it's the most dangerous in STEM. In the History field you have people who are actually educated but don't work within the proper channels to contextualize and challenge that research. Graham Hancock comes to mind (Though he's not a perfect example. There are examples when it comes to Archeology; the Clovis debate is a popular one) . Hancock has a lot of cool ideas; but Historians lambaste him because his research isn't peer-reviewed. So, he rips into the history community talking about how exclusive it is and how they won't accept his research; but when asked to he doesn't. So what exactly am I saying? Education is important and it's definitely one factor in a series of factors that make one a professional. All that education and sometimes all the research sometimes can be maligned by preconceived conclusions. That's sometimes why a lot of early research (Psychology comes to mind here) is tossed out even if the people who conducted that research are relatively professional. (I'm not in STEM so I'm fixating a lot on History because that's my major.)
My ex wife has BPD and that shit is impossible to live with, and she was completely unable to perceive her behaviour. She could, at any given moment, accuse people of what she was in the act of doing. Kicked her out when she started targeting our daughter and believing completely she was intentionally trying to sabotage the marriage (she was 2) and withholding food. Interestingly she had a fondness for diagnosing herself and others too. It was impossible that others didn't have a diagnosis, it was her "gift" to see the truth etc. DM probably believes what she's saying, but it's a fucking insane take that *will* do tangible harm.
I've had Hypothryroidism diagnosed for 9 months now, as a 21 year old man which is super rare. I had problems sleeping, kept forgetting dates, where my keys where at and other memory issues. Off course i only taught it was temporary, i only went to the doctor when my hair started falling out, then it all made sense. But for most people they never get to that point, they never see any physical change, maybe they get chubbier, but never realise it might be an important issue so, they just live their 'normal' life 'handicaped'. EVERYONE should have regular blood checks, be safe guys.
Good point. I got part of my thyroid removed about 8 months ago and was told by the doctor, "there's a chance you won't need to be on meds to help regulate." My headspace was so adamant on not wanting to be on daily meds that I tried to pass it off that I'd be good. Took part of my hair blonding and thinning and the need to nap every time I come home from work to finally request bloodwork and the endo doctor to say I'll need medication.
I’ve been on 200mcg Synthroid for well over a decade for Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, I’m now 26. My levels are in the healthy ranges but I still present symptoms like brittle nails, hair loss and all the other classics. Good luck my dude, hypothyroidism in general sucks ass. Truth though, ask for full thyroid panel and keep that t4 shiz in check
Bringing up a bad experience with a "licensed and accredited" Christian Therapist as an example of why not to trust mental health professionals is like bringing up a bad experience with a "licensed and accredited" homeopath as an example of why you shouldn't trust doctors.
It's also an ignorant statement. My buddy is an atheist, I'm not. He asked who my therapist was at the time because he dealt with alcoholism and was bipolar (he didn't know at the time). Gave him the number, and he loved the therapist. They happened to be one of those Christian therapists (I didnt know when I made the appointment). Got him to better his life, didnt preach to him, didnt try to convert or whatever, didnt put religion into it. They just have religious backgrounds and try to help their patients with religious backing. Even when I went to him, the topic of religion didn't ever come up unless I brought it up. Sure this might not be the norm and she had a bad experience, but I dont like generalizations. Also, she said that what she is saying isn't anti-intellectualism. This is the very definition of it. It reminds me of that person on Prime's panel that said economics is like astronomy. It's insane.
@@sudafedup there's a difference between a therapist who is Christian and a Christian Therapist. Christian Therapy is the name of a pseudoscientific mental health methodology which is distinct from actual mental health. Christian Therapists aren't therapists getting real degrees in clinical psychology, they get "accreditation" from fake institutions which are much less rigorous and don't teach real medicine. They are snake oil salesmen, just like homeopaths.
@@PitterPatter20 no I agree, but the idea of Christian therapists being some evil generalized is wrong to me. The therapist I went to was a Christian therapist (I didnt know at the time). They advertised as such. They didn't force anything on me. I feel Demonmomma is equating her experience with that which isnt her experience. Best way to word that I guess.
I'm pretty sure there's a thing where med students learning about a host of illnesses go through this constant fear of a new disease they learned about. We're so good at tricking ourselves lol
That definitely happens when people search up symptoms they’re feeling when they’re sick too lol our minds love making connections, real ones and fictitious ones.
The way depression works is you generally don't tweet all day about how depressed you are. Loss of interest is one of the most common and most debilitating symptoms of depression. Even if you normally enjoy tweeting all day, when going through a bout of depression, you derive no pleasure from doing that. It's the same for anything else you enjoy doing. When depressed, nothing gives you pleasure.
And at least for me personally, I'm not even aware it's happening until it's over/ending. It'll be like one day you realize you haven't been eating, showering, cleaning, or even spoke to anyone for days/weeks.
@@aarontrudel9947 Yeah, that's me too, I only realised I forgot to enroll into a college after someone told me what day it was and I looked when the date I have to do it before was lmao (fortunately there was another way). I stopped eating until I felt sick, didn't get up to do to the toilet until I was bursting, I didn't shower but the worst thing was that I didn't do any of the things that used to make me happy like video games, reading or even watching movies. All I did was sleep, stem (ADHD, I use rubik's cubes) and feed into my internet addiction to certain websites (mostly youtube). I swear, I've never ever seen time go by so fast, 3 months went by in what now feels like a week. Basically everything just feels like a chore. Even things you used to love doing. The only things you do are base needs, things you can't control (like ADHD symptoms for example) or the things that if you didn't do, you'd get withdrawal, so things you are addicted to (but that you don't necessarily really like doing).
@@gerunkwon2598 Honestly, I would love policy prescription streams. Stuff like "what is an example of a policy people can advocate for at a local level that helps with public transportation." They both talk about supporting local action, they should talk about things you can fight for locally.
Btw, not sure if it gets said, but whoever is editing your current intro's is a stud. It does a really good job at giving us the scope of the vid without taking a few seconds out of context to bait the viewer. Also, pretty slick.
The conflict between her & the doctors she likes to villainize stem from the fact that the doctor's goal is to heal the illness & her goal is to get a particular diagnosis.
relatives of mine who are medics in the UK have to deal with this all the time. They call it "Dr Google" and it honestly sounds like the bane of their existence because, like Destiny said, people who wrongly self-diagnose themselves become defensive when told they're mistaken, or will game the tests to get the result they think they should have. It makes having an accurate diagnosis so much more difficult, which in turn means things are more likely to go wrong to the detriment of the patient, who will then turn around and blame the doctor.
Yeah I’ve met people who incorrectly self diagnose and then they refuse to listen to anyone who says otherwise. It is actually a really bad problem. These “woke” people validating self diagnosis because it’s “classist” not to? Actively harmful rhetoric
Fully agree on the symptoms vs diagnosing the illness bit. It is insane to me that *anyone* can promote self-diagnosis, especially layman. In Social Work and psych classes they are very specific about how if you are facing issues you should turn to others.
One of the things you will learn in any psychology class (especially one about mental illness) is the concept of "validity". This is being able to accurately measure and describe what you are intending to. This can be difficult in psychology due to many things being somewhat abstract. For example, how would you qualify and quantify delusions/aggressiveness? This is a problem in both theoretical and applied psychology. The idea that a doctor will just be able to look at you and "gatekeep" your mental illness is not true. A doctor must take so much into account when deciding what to diagnose someone with/if they should even diagnose someone. Usually there must be a body of evidence, not just checks on boxes in the DSM (even though that is important too). The reason doctors do this is because being able to accurately describe mental illness in people is actually very complicated. Validity in tests and doctors discretion is NEEDED for a diagnosis to even mean something. Someone who is untrained (even of they are of sound mind) will have essentially no validity in terms of being able to self-diagnose.
Are you referring to precision vs accuracy in measurements? This is something we learn in virtually every science (health included). You're absolutely right that it is extremely important we use empirically tested diagnostics that are *VALID* for what we are measuring.
@@Godzillaaaaa11 Not exactly! I do agree about accuracy and precision though. Validity is being able to be confident that you are measuring/examining a specific variable. This requires specific tools. For example, there is something called the "Beck Depression Inventory" that is a questionnaire used to evaluate depression severity. This test is considered valid because it measures depression severity and nothing else. It can also put this severity into a number. Keep in mind even if you score supa dupa depressed on the indicator, you wont be diagnosed with depression. But it is a helpful tool to help with diagnosis.
Kinda creepy how Xanderhal tried his best to emulate Vaush and Destiny simultaneously, and now Demon Mama is trying desperately to emulate Xanderhal. Mannerisms, cadence, etc etc…
@@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121 outside of childhood no normal person mimics someone else to this degree. Mimicking arguments and rationale is understandable but when it’s as far as body language and cadence it is obsessive and creepy
And Vaush has mannerisms ripped from Destiny. A good deal of Lefty streamers are different generations of Destiny spawns coming up in each others streams. Iirc Xanderhal predates Vaush on content creation but Vaush was in Destiny's stream plenty as Irishladdie.
I'm sorry for being charitable to Demonmama before, I haven't seen the full context. I thought she just meant take care of yourself because the doctors can't come to you to diagnose you randomly all the time, you have to come to them in the first place. The gatekeeping take and the rest of what she actually meant is fucking stupid.
Yeah that's how it sounded to me too: "yeah you can have a hunch your symptoms point to a specific diagnosis, just don't take it as hard and fast or equivalent to a proper diagnosis" Jesus fuck
The reasonable take is you become suspicious that something is wrong and you ask a doctor, even saying what you think it is. They can explain why you’re wrong or right. GAD, OCD, Depression, and PTSD can look similar to a lay person, but need different approaches, so wedding yourself to one diagnosis without professional assessment can be very dangerous. It can also pathologize normal behavior or responses (probably not clinical depression if you can’t function well for a week or two after your spouse dies, for example)
If that's actually what she means, she completly butchered and raped the actual meaning of "self-diagnosis". Thinking something is wrong and going to the doc is not self-diagnosis, it's just going to the doc. Why the fuck would you go to the doc, if you didn't think something is wrong.
Imagine spending so much time and energy studying every single disease and differentiating between highly similar signs and symptoms just for someone to "diagnose" themselves with stage 4 lung cancer because they coughed a little too many times .
I work in nutrition and whilst not at the same level as a doctor, we get the same issue where people ask for help then immediately tell you you're wrong when you give advice 🤔
I can only imagine the hell that working in nutrition must be with all these fad diets going around. Everybody seems to think there’s a miracle diet out there that will let them live forever and grow 6 inches.
@@MaxG-jk8ty have you added strength training? I used to play baseball in college and was “super fit”. I destroyed my rotator cuff my Junior year and my pitching dreams were crushed. Anyway, after college I didn’t workout regularly and partied a lot, so I packed on the pounds. Now I’m as fit as I was in college playing ball. I started out with calorie intake, strength training and cardio, but once I hit the wall like it seems you have, I focused more on strength training and less cardio. I finally got over that wall and found working out become something I looked forward to instead of a routine. My typical weekly routine is 4 days of weights/strength trading, 2 days cardio/core, 1 day off or light cardio. It seems you added 5 miles to your routine. Instead of the add, take a couple miles off and add to your strength training. See how that goes. Just my experience.
@@MaxG-jk8ty tracking calories and consistently going to gym when you don’t want to is always the easiest answer. There’s a lot of diets that work but being able to maintain them over a lifetime is almost always impossible. Moderation is way easier than changing your entire diet. I’ve tried both lol
I really appreciate the autism clarification. I am close to this issue and it feels great to know such a bright mind is speaking for people that literally can't speak. Thank you!
34:17 As a high functioning autistic person (a.k.a 'Level 1 - Mild ASD'), I totally agree 👍 I've personally seen how much more of a struggle it is for lower functioning autistic people (being in special ed classes) which isn't to say I didn't struggle as well, but I couldn't imagine going through what they have to daily.
Medical student here - when destiny was talking about the qualitative being more important than quantitative, he pretty much nailed it. Quantitative data is often pretty useless without the context of surrounding symptoms, age, lifestyle, past medical history, etc.
I was born and raised in Japan and Japanese is my native language. I also teach Japanese to English speakers for a living. A quick point about the Japanese and pronouns. Japanese does have pronouns but most of the time, it isn't used and it's gender-neutral, and you can omit them. You can use gendered language like "that girl" or "that guy" if you need to specify the gender of the person but in everyday conversation, it is firmly neutral or omitted. The omission is a little more difficult to explain in English but the basic explanation is that Japanese is highly contextual. For instance, suppose you have the sentence "I am going to the park." That "I" would be cut out if you're talking in a normal situation. So it would be 公園に行きます。(literal translation: "Park going") by default, the "I" is omitted. You can add "I" as I see most beginner speakers do when they are learning Japanese but one, it will make you sound very amateurish and two, that's not how the Japanese language is spoken. If you were to say "she is going to the park", you will usually say 彼女は公園に行きます。(Literal translation: that girl is park going) where 彼女 can usually refer to either a woman or girlfriend based on the context it is used. Even then, if the speakers know who you are talking about, the gender isn't relevant to the conversation or they know the gender of the person already then "that girl" will be omitted. That commenter was kind of right. Modern Japanese does have pronouns but isn't used in 99.9% of cases. When pronouns are used, it isn't used in the same way as it is used in English. To a Japanese speaker, English feels almost arbitrary and oddly specific. It feels like you have to specify pronouns every single time for little to no reason. Anyways, that's my quick rant about Japanese and pronouns. Good video, as usual, Destiny.
I wouldn't wish borderline personality disorder on anyone. It's ruined all of my relationships with people my entire life, and its not something you can diagnose yourself. that is absurd.
I'm not against trans people, but I've been trying to push back about these kinds of trans people like DM as they gain a lot of traction and become representatives for the movement. Glad destiny exposes her for the complete opportunist that she is
@@interdimensionalsteve8172 100% as long as she says certain key things like "I'm a socialist, I'm for human rights etc etc" she gets a pass. It's generally how sociopaths climb social or even business ladders. They appeal to the group in order to manipulate them. Eventually they will expose their true agenda one way or another though. But often it's too late for that
@@PuddingXXL I would heavily disagree with that, this person is a Hollow, a series of masks in attempt to gain things, I have no idea if they are certifiable a sociopath, but they have all the classic signs.
@@keithfilibeck2390 I would hope that the people that agree self diagnosing = bad would agree that psychoanalysis, attaching a random diagnosis to people is bad but Ig not…I think we can say DM sucks like a lot, is super harmful to anything she tries to support, I’d probably agree with most negative stuff about her but we don’t need to stoop to her level
32:15 you can get over the crux of what forms an ocd diagnosis. Obsessive or compulsive behavior/thoughts can be brought under control which stops it from imparing function and thus removing the D for disorder from the OCD and removing any need for the diagnosis
What you say about depression is so true and something I used to get a bit of contention with when dealing with certain people. So many people deacribed it as if their brains were broken and I always asked 'how do you know'. It's not like someone looked at it, and when asked why they struggle to sleep or something similar they'd say 'depression' and it felt like they viewed depression as causeless. I've been in and out of depression, but I always figure there is some way I can beat it and I have improved my life immensely because of that.
Destiny have you read Jonathan Haidt's "The Righteous Mind" or some of his other stuff? He talks a lot about social psychological experiments of tricking ourselves into thinking one thing or another
44:35 My dad has BPD. Living with him screwed me up so bad. Depending on the swing I could be facing him threating to kill my dogs, to kick me out of the house for a couple days, or holding his sobbing body (that's what it felt like. it wasn't hugging him). The worst part being is he had me convinced I had something inherently wrong with me that was causing all the chaos.
An ex that I was with for 4 years had BPD. It really does put a huge strain on basically every aspect of life with someone and similarly it made me feel like something was wrong with me. I can't even imagine growing up around that. Hope you're doing ok.
Destiny joked about people thinking their lives are like House, but even House starts with the simple assumptions first and assumes the patient has no idea what they are talking about.
Destiny breaks down Demon Mama's "slippery slope" argument on neo pronouns and points out that questioning the legitimacy of neo pronouns (a grammatical expression, mainly on twitter) is in no way similar to questioning the legitimacy of being trans (which has been a lived experience throughout human history), because the two elements are not similar. Sometimes it's good to question dumb things and just because we question dumb ideas does not mean we automatically have to throw out every single thing that's not dumb. This is why Destiny is the smartest.
Destiny's absolutely right about BPD. I know someone like that and it's a very difficult thing to deal with on both ends. It's not easy to accommodate that - when someone's basically screaming and fighting you one day, and then the next day it's all chill.
Coming back in 2024 just to say that Destiny was correct about the medicine thing and it’s crazy that people back then (2 years ago) and now still don’t have that basic understanding of medicine.
I once worked with this guy, he comes in to work one morning, white as a sheet and announces loudly "I have syphilis." He self-diagnosed and had one or two of the most peripheral symptoms.
I’m a clinical psychology doctoral student - the DSM 5 contains various criteria for different disorders. The fact is, a lot of them are vague, and most people can read the DSM and think that certain criteria correspond with their experience. Psychodiagnostic interviewing is a skill we learn and it’s quite tricky, not to sound pompous, but the layperson is not equipped to self diagnose
Lol those ''genderless'' languages are usually based on the notion that the understanding of gender in most places of the world isn't convoluted. I'd argue that they probably wouldn't even exist if transgenderism was accepted in most of the world. It is also usually done to simplify an already complex enough language. For example, Japanese is mostly genderless because the assumption is that, in a normal conversation, the genders are obvious and therefore it is seen as unpractical to reaffirm them. Its actually rude in Japanese to refer to someone who you're talking to using genders, it is seen as if you're questioning it one way or another. But they will use genders or other pronouns if the subject of the sentence isn't obvious or if it is a complex one. So yes, Japanese is kind of genderless, but she wouldn't like the reasons why. Furthermore why is she presenting genderless languages as the ''Utopia'' while fighting for more pronouns? I am so confused by this person.
Its like the whole LatinX thing. Lots of Spanish speaking folks hate that because it essentially strips away the basis of how the language is structured, which is gendered. But they don't care.
nah you just have no clue what you are talking about. japanese 100% has gendered language that changes when speaking formally to someone of a certain gender, you are talking about the lack of pronoun usage period. in japanese you dont say "what do you think" or "what does he think" they literally always use anothers name, so if i am having a conversation with john and i want to know how his day was you dont go "how was your day" you go "how was johns day?", the reason to have gendered pronouns is rendered redundant when a persons actual name is always used when referring to them.
@@zoniannitrate2905 How is using someone's name gendered speech? Your whole argument is poorly written, poorly phrased and overall made me dumber. Thank you.
@@sHmAaa interesting, since my argument is just overall shit you would have no problem dismantling it, right? then why just say its weak instead of showing how its weak? because you are an idiot. i clearly state there is less use of gendered pronounds because proper nouns are nearly always used when referring to people. in japanese you will hear people say the persons name who they are talking to over and over again, one of the reasons it is quite strange for foreigners to learn. there are he and she pronounds, aswell as honourifics like "kun" and "boku" when referring to self...
@@zoniannitrate2905 Because you said nothing. We're all aware Japanese speaking people have a word for he and she you idiot. Using them is still laughed upon by most Japanese people. It is seen as a tell tell sign that your Japanese skills are poor. You don't really use Watashi, you don't really use Kare or Kanojo either. It is all usually implied. You'd only reinforce them in a normal conversation if the subject wasn't clear. I have no idea why you keep referring to people's name in a conversation about gender in speech. Furthermore, honorific titles are just that, honorific titles. They are more based around social standing than gender. Great example is senpai, it is used for both genders. I don't think Japanese is genderless, my whole point was that it can seem like it is but it isn't. So you're mostly arguing with a mirror I think.
Psychiatrist here, there are soo many people who are self diagnosed with bipolar type 2 because they had 3 days when they felt good, had higher libido, and maybe spent a bit more than usual. Often, they can even convince a specialist about their symptoms and get the full combo of lithium+lamotrigin+some antipsychotic totally unnecessary!
I don't think they can convince a specialist, I think they wear them down. If some moron comes to you every week for months going "Ok but this time I really do have Bipolar actually because..." I can see how they'd just give them the meds to make them fuck off. They shouldn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it happens.
This is why it's important to note that it's only a disorder if it impairs your ability to function in every day activities. If you are able to cope or are better off with some traits, then it's not a disorder. But it doesn't mean all autism isn't a disorder! Severity matters in defining mental illness!
Wait, so an autistic person who can mask very well and has copings mechanisms to function like an average person, do they then still have autism? Or is _their_ autism not an disorder?
51:45 yes! It's driving me fucking insane all the people trying to take a serious condition like transsexualism and turn it into whatever the fuck they want it to mean. It's so disrespectful
I hate the whole " Dr Google" era we are in. My wife will stub her toe on the sofa then 4 minutes on Google and she has deep vein thrombosis. And it makes it a struggle to get her to actually speak to her doctor as she thinks that they will just tell her what she already knows.
I think that's mainly a us thing since people are affraid to go see their doctor, pay 1000 dollars, and learn they have nothing. I don't think this is as much of an issue elsewhere (I live in France)
Exactly one of my family members had that same problem and ended up taking medication that they were allergic when trying to self diagnose themselves it’s really problematic and should not be encouraged
1:27:00 Japanese has pronouns but from my experience they aren't used nearly as much as in English, a lot of the time the subject is implied. Maybe there are other languages that work like this?
Yeah whoever said that just spoke out of their ass 彼女(kanojo)can be used as her and 彼女ら(kanojora) is exclusively used as "they" for females.I will agree its pretty uncommonly used though.
On the other side of things, I feel like there's a lot of ignorance when it comes to mental health, that leads people to think the system is more capable of helping people than they are. For example, when you see people blaming schizophrenics for not taking their medication. "Oh he doesn't even want to get better". Anti-psychotics can have a plethora of side effects, to the point that person may just prefer dealing with their symptoms. It's worth remembering that science isn't god, and treatment in this realm of things still has enormous leaps to go through
Just wanted to comment for the algo. This is a huge problem in the medical industry and glad you've decided to put out content to combat miss-information.
1:27:00 There are many different ways of conveying information that languages utilize. For example german hides information about the objects/subjects grammatical gender and number in nouns with different suffixes. This allows germans speakers to sometimes switch around the sentence structure without changing the meaning (because the information is already in the modification of a word); which is actually another way of conveying information. So maybe they have to always say the name, or maybe there is another way of communicating that information.
Man, I wish English could still do this. English also used to have case, gender, and number encoded in suffixes, articles, and adjectives, and it had free word order. Fucking phonological change reducing all the suffix endings to the same vowels so that "Hunde" and "Hunda" lost their distinctions ruined English. But so many sentences in Old English and German match up perfectly: "ich habe einen Hund gefunden", "ic hæbbe anne hund gefunden". "Einen Hund hab' ich gefunden", "anne hund hæb' ic gefunden"
One thing to note: Sometimes you legit are more aware of what you have than the doctor is... There's some doctors that just don't seem to bother taking what you say very seriously and it can lead to misdiagnoses...
My gf has a terrible problem with making herself worse when she’s sick, and after she had an anxiety attack she convinced herself she was crazy because she had looked up causes of the symptom and would start having worse and worse thoughts to the point she had to go to the hospital a few times so they could lower her blood pressure and stop freaking out. It’s so scary that the mind can do that
Last year I was dealing with my parents getting covid and I thought I had it and was terrified and gave myself nausea, and lost a day or two to sickness on top of general anxiety. It was mentally one of the worst times in my life. I can’t imagine living in a perpetual nightmare of being a hypochondriac, self diagnosing, and making themselves sick everyday of their life.
@@swatchcovers5401 I had the same thing. I had surgery and had the standard pain afterwards so pretty much stopped 'living my life' for a week. After that week, I kept thinking that the pain will still be there and it manifested for like a month. One day I said to myself, I shouldn't have pain I'm going to go out. The pain never came back as soon as I was halfway through my outing. The brain is a strange thing
a couple months ago i thought i had rheumatoid arthritis bc my mom has it and i had several symptoms of it. then after a couple weeks the joint stiffness (could barely make a fist when i woke up), malaise etc. just went away and now i feel so stupid. i still wonder what it was that made me sick but im just glad it wasnt anything serious. could've been anything really
it doesn't help that there's already a stigma to mental health, and it's hard enough confronting that, so telling someone with those issues that doctor's have their own agenda and won't believe you is piling even more onto an already established issue. (edit: PEOPLE AREN'T SCARED OF EXPERTS, THEY ARE SCARED OF SOCIAL STIGMA)
Exactly, this was exemplified when destiny was talking about depression, these people are already losing hope, you telling someone that it's not something you have but rather something you are, no one can help you is probably the worst thing you can tell someone
I appreciate all this nuanced talk about mental illness, not specific to any one in particular. I've finally worked up the courage to seek professional help for whatever mental abnormalities or problems i have. The only way I could get there was to stop constantly diagnosing myself. It's not that you do it once and that's it, you're now depressed. Your thought keep spiralling around that idea of being definite in one area and you only focus on that. If there's one thing that shouldn't be normalised it's self-diagnosis. It's close to the mark but realising the effects of problems is not the same as thinking about what those problems might be.
A real issue with self diagnosis is like you said how many things are caused by other things. Like certain mental health symptoms can be caused by actual, non-mental health-related illnesses or deficiencies. Some of those things can be dangerous if left unchecked, which someone might do if they write off their symptoms as something else. Hell, some types of brain injuries and tumors can present with symptoms that align with certain mental illnesses- imagine if you had a brain tumor that could have been treated but instead was left to grow because you self diagnosed your issue as something else?
Not to mention how just lots of little health issues from minor things can feel stacked up to something really serious. I was convinced I was seriously depressed for so long, but never bothered with treatment cause I heard bad shit about SSRIs, but after getting a job, getting good sleep, and that forcing my diet to fix because I can't eat all day at work, as well as a lot more socialization, all those little issues that felt like they were stacking up to crushing depression gradually peeled off to basically be nothing. I had no motivation, because I wasn't sleeping well. I had no excitement for things, because I had no job so was just doing things impulsively, since I didn't have to plan things around work. My self worth felt like shit because I was a touch overweight and unkempt, being being forced to shower and walk 20 minutes to work and back and getting some fresh air really makes a difference. It's kind of wild how a lot of seemingly serious issues are actually just smaller ones seeming worse than they are.
Another thought about the "getting the diagnosis". As someone who ended up struggling with a difficult to diagnose problem, going years and years without an answer is really exhausting, so I get it. People want to treat themselves like a computer. If your ram is failing or failed, you can replace it. If you have a short on your mobo, you can test it and then replace it if needed. People want to know. I have type 2 diabetes and I need to change my diet and then I'll feel better. Also, a lot of peoples lives are just unironically shitty and doctors can unfuck your life for you. They can help you cope and build strategies to move towards success. They can just magic the fact that your wife died away...or whatever other fuckery is going on for that person.
@28:47 this is a really important point by Destiny. I’ve been interested in math since I was young and am now going to college in it. In between those 2 events, I was diagnosed with ADHD. Neurodivergence is kind of the perfect way to describe it because of how it shows up in cognitive testing. Cognitive tests give you a range of tasks with all of them looking at various nervous system functions we do when we complete tasks. These skills are then put in percentiles. For most people, they have a few that are high, a few in the middle, and a few that are low. When you look at mine however, what you see are nothing but highs and lows and in a sense that’s what it means to be neurodivergent; your executive functions and cognitive skills are all either perfect or non existent. Thus these gaps arise. These gaps have to be handled differently then one would handle the issues had by normal kids. There’s this stereotype about math people that you are born math people; mental illness plays a role here as many also believe mental illnesses like autism, ADHD, and OCD make you better at math. Frankly, it couldn’t be more false and more destructive. First, my being good at math has nothing to do with my ADHD and everything to do with the fact that I’ve worked my ass off to be the best I can possibly be at what I do. Second, it pushes people away from the field; how many people would’ve been good at math but thought was just for crazy people.
Good lord. Demonmama speaks with sooo much authority giving her “objective” prescriptions of truth based on her highly highly niche, subjective experience. She is NOT the person to go to for advice on virtually any subject. Unbelievably irresponsible
I’m right leaning but I respect the hell out of Destiny, I think he’s an honest man with a good heart and I appreciate his willingness to participate in dialogue across party lines, he’s a credit to the left 100 percent
Destiny's take on solving the almost endless list of issues with capitalism is to make slow incremental changes that won't get through Congress anyway so I wouldn't say he's particularly left wing even by American standards. Being a decent person on social issues isn't inherently left wing. Theresa May, who is absolutely staunchly right wing, pushed one nation conservatism which included expanding civil rights in the UK for instance whereas Stalin did horrific things to minorities despite being economically left. Right and Left are more economical than social.
Haters: Destinys online political content is toxic he should be on the ground doing real work! Destiny: Tries to do real political action and gets immediately cancelled leading to a jaded attitude towards politics. Also Haters: All Destiny does these days is play League and cause personal drama
@@daveruda He's not a victim, he just doesn't bitch and complain constantly about "harassment" even though he gets plenty. Because he's an adult and understands what comes with the territory. People do similar and worse to him but he just ignores. Maybe demonperson could learn something.
Re: self diagnosis. I was diagnosed with ADHD at age 19, but couldn't afford treatment, so I just sort of let it go. It was at 35 that I started to notice how my untreated ADHD was actually inpacting me and creating chaos in my life. As a 5 year old I suddenly had to wear glasses, but since my eyesight was all I knew, I didn't think I had blurry vision. Had I self diagnosed at 19, I would never ever have guessed ADHD, and like my 5 year old self who thought she saw clearly, I couldn't really see how ADHD impacted me in order to have picked it up. It was a psychiatrist who specialised in adult ADHD.
It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that she went to the doctor and/or therapist, heard that's she's completely fine and decided "F that, doctors are stupid, I'm self diagnosed"
To be fair though, have you ever been misdiagnosed by a doctor for something physical, and you KNOW they're wrong? It's happened to me multiple times, and it took me stubbornly insisting that something else was wrong, and after further testing, I was right! Sometimes the doctors can be totally wrong with physical stuff, so why would you think that doctors who work with mental illness would be any better? I mean, I've literally had broken bones, hernias, eye issues, etc, that were completely misdiagnosed by a doctor.
I feel like she is approaching a point with some things, there are certain conditions that doctors often do dismiss too readily that can harm people. For example, anything going on with overweight people is often just dismissed as a problem of their weight and not carefully examined, or how it can take years for people living with the pain of endometriosis to have their pain taken seriously. Her arguments probably would have been a lot better if she took that angle, but she never quite got there Edit: looks like she did get to it after all, that’ll show me not to comment before I finish the video. This really seems like two people with their own set of experiences projecting them onto the same topic in different ways
Yeah as much as I think it’s dangerous to encourage people to self diagnose, there needs to be some acknowledgement that doctors can overlook or dismiss real problems people struggle with and that’s not event counting how sometimes you can just get the wrong diagnoses. It’s a super emotionally charged topic and it would take a lot more nuance and knowledge on the topic to handle it with proper tact than I think the average big twitch streamer has.
Mmm, I know what Destiny is saying about self diagnosis, but I think there’s a big difference between seeking diagnosis for a mental vs medical issue. I have people in my life that had to go to multiple doctors for some rare fucked up thing their body had. Because unfortunately a lot of doctors will only looked at the superficial symptoms and just said, “eh sleep it off and come back if you get any worse.”
Well it is important to stay at the same doctor so they recognize what changes with what treatment and what doesn't to properly diagnose. But also change to a different doctor if you recognize that communication doesn't work between you.
My ex gf is borderline. I love her, but it’s so unsustainable. It is the absolute worst. You can be doing everything right and still never know if you’ll wake up to a text about breaking up or canceling plans because they got some idea in their head out of nowhere. It’s so hard on you. I’d rather deal with a narcissist anyday! I’m a codependent empath so me and cluster Bs is a match made in hell. Easier to stay single and at peace lol
@@bananian I first had trouble with social anxiety and feeling depressed so my parents advised me to talk to a therapist. But after I was hospitalized because of suicidality and self harm issues i got to talk to a psychologist long term who also made a thorough evaluation of my issues
Most clin psychs (I met) are dipshits lol I don't mind destiny being critical of dm's take here but the idea of docs being the be all end all when it comes to diagnosis is as harmful as the opposite Which becomes quite obvious when you know/have met people that have been misdiagnosed and treated the wrong way
@@MrJeo29 This is a valid criticism, diagnoses in and of themselves can be problematic when it comes to accuracy. Diagnosis should not define therapy, in fact it should not take on too large a role whatsoever. When it comes to treatment of patients, the most important thing is to help the person, not to label something and follow that label down some predetermined treatment plan. That being said, if labels are to be applied, the clinician is far more qualified to give one than the layman is, despite the fact that some things are misdiagnosed.
The reason autism is on a spectrum is the same reason we don't just call all cancers one cancer. The diagnosis and treatment are drastically different depending on where you lie on the spectrum. Also don't rely to heavily on DSM definitions you'd be surprised at just how much influence pharma has on DSM inclusions. An author of a previous version talked about it in a book
You are on point with OCD / Anxiety. (anecdotally at least I'm not a professional) Personally helped my wife through it. She could barely function at all when things were getting bad let alone self diagnose. A regiment of medication, exposure therapy and family support got her through the worst of it. I'm very glad we haven't gotten to the point where I needed to celebrate her condition instead of actively trying to fix it. My life would have basically been over as dealing with a spouse or loved one with severe OCD can take up most of your free time and really tug on your sanity.
Exposure therapy is underrated, it's not fun, it's uncomfortable, you're going to have panic attacks but there's literally no other way past your fear other than confronting it.
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self diagnosis can be alright in some instances, like, say you've always been a bit weird compared to others and later in life you read about autism and think yea maybe that explains a few things and it really doesn't matter that much to you beyond that. but it quickly gets to the point of being irresponsible from there especially when in situations where you could be hurting yourself because you're that convinced by your own confirmation biases.
Idk I feel like most of this is semantics diagnosis is a very technical term, it necessitates some form of treatment and thats where the issues began, or when you do go to get a real diagnosis then you already have confirmation bias which only makes the process harder and the fact that I had to say real diagnosis just goes to prove my point that using this word in the incorrect context makes it lose its utility
that's not what diagnosis means, thats the whole reason why shes wrong. shes using the word to say "having a hunch that maybe you might have something", which is not what self diagnosis is
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Destiny continues to push back. This time against dangerous/irresponsible medical advice on self diagnosis, doctors and mental health made by Demonmama in response to Vaush debate.
Timestamps Click
0:00 - Teasers/Intro
0:35 - Demonmama vs Vaush debate
3:10 - The flaws in Demonmama's logic/argument
10:22 - What Demonmama says betrays her deep misunderstanding...
13:45 - Diagnosing yourself and why it's damaging
14:55 - Self diagnosis is NOT essential and can sometimes be detrimental
25:30 - Qualitative vs quantitative, therapy
39:24 - Are doctors gate-keeping mental illness? Diagnosis, prescriptions and medication
44:55 - Borderline Personality Disorder self diagnosis...
52:25 - They try to tie it back to trans people so you can't criticism them
57:55 - Demonmama is kind of correct here BUT...
1:00:40 - Unhealthy obsession with self diagnosis
1:07:23 - Thyroid problems and Alzheimer present similar symptoms
1:08:56 - Destiny hates Demonmama's medial advice and it's irresponsible
1:14:03 - Writing off institutions and communication vs gatekeeping
1:16:30 - Trialing different medication, birth control example, SSRI
1:26:48 - Pronouns and neopronouns smooth out language?
1:36:37 - Your personal expression doesn't extend to everything, neoadjectives?
1:40:09 - You can't attack/criticize crybullies
almost first XD - second :p
La ga lisata no normo no es slietta.
Nagaros!
'So you can't criticism them'
Such bad takes coming out each day man. Hopefully we snap back to reality soon and it stops being cool to make shit up and be crazy soon.
If you’re diagnosing why your headlight doesn’t turn on, check to see if the lightbulb is burned out lmao
I hate it how she talks about every goddamn thing with so much authority not realising she could potentially put people in harm's way. It is so infuriatingly stupid and dangerous
she makes me want to self-medicate
This is such a massive issue in online social commentary in general. They only care about looking informed and spouting ideological dogma.
Heres the thing. Theyre clearly a mentally ill person that the online sphere pretends is normal because we have to act as if everyone and everything is valid.
And it will be be completely overlooked by most people in these spaces
@@Le_Trouvere Why do you think Hasan and Vaush cut off Destiny? They got too big to risk their image from the only guy who would honestly challenge their ideas.
I’m high functioning autistic and my older sister is low functioning. She can communicate and dress herself but she will require some assisted living the rest of her life. I vividly remember this moment when we were younger and she was aware enough to understand that we didn’t have a conventional family dynamic like most other families. Her growth from a social standpoint was stagnant were mine was slowly edging past hers. I could drive, have a job, and eventually live on my own. She started crying and expressed that she “didn’t want to be retarded anymore”. It broke my heart hearing her say that. If low functioning people with autism had the choice to live a conventional life they absolutely would.
That is absolutely heartbreaking. Its like some.cruel joke when some handicapped ppl have just enough mental capacity to be painfully self aware.
There's no such thing as high and low functioning autism. Just autistic people with high and low needs.
I actually got in an argument with someone who claimed to be high functioning that tried to argue that low functioning wasn’t a disability, and that a cure for it would be evil. I was actually dumbfounded
@@brah9649 I’ve seen people online who claim to be low functioning (level 3) autistic and it’s like… no.
Dude that's one of the saddest things I've ever read. I hope things will get better for her, and for you also!
"Destiny's politics are slightly better than Keemstar" how generous of her lol
The only thing they have in common is that they're both gnomes.
@@bobpope3656 no. Cynicism is weird actually. Bad take. Optimism pilled
@@bobpope3656 aah yes and the socialist twitch streamers totally dont care about money.
@@bajsmongo2000 braindead comment
@@bobpope3656 not really. Most socialists online are wealthy and white. It's not strawmanning if it's reality
If Steven doesn't play games while listening to a video you know he's taking it serious.
lol true he does interview on tv while playing Minecraft :)
I think it's a request from the editor 😂
Too right, DM deserves shit for this.
He's playing Lord's Mobile on his phone
OOC Destiny is serious business.
People definitely shop doctors until they hear what they want. Dangerous rhetoric
I feel like mindset would be a better word than rhetoric here.
It's fine to get a second opinion, but if three random doctors tell you the same thing, it's time to stop fishing. In stats we correct for multiple testing or a reason.
So basically.
Dangerous rhetoric from Demonmama. (Convincing people that self-diagnosis is superior to a professional diagnosis)
Dangerous mindset to have.
(Shopping for doctors until you hear what you want to hear)
Yeah referring to their rhetoric, it makes for a bad mindset. Destiny is totally based.
I think people should shop around for physicians or whatever, but not to gwt a different diagnosis. Some people just don't really click for you in that way, and I'm glad there are tons of doctors for that reason.
I've gone to psychologists many times. I can tell you, with 100% certainty, that they DO NOT want you to self-diagnose. They also will shut down most people that play victim. I once started to ritualize self-harm. I was rehearsing suicide and was probably very close to following through. I was SUPER depressed and incapable of handling it. When I went to the psychologist, I was trying to get him to ok me for disability support because I didn't have a job and I was just emotionally incapable of working. I was SHOCKED at how resistant he was. He literally shut me down and started making me do things IRL to actively jump start my life. He diagnosed me with depression but he didn't play into my victimhood. In the end, he helped me get a job and get my GED. In talking to him, I became very aware of the difference between how psychologists treat mental illness and how these self-diagnosed internet people act like it needs to be treated. They do NOT play into the victimhood angle. They will actively push you to do many of the things that a lot of self-diagnosed internet people will pretend they simply can never do. That's part of the treatment. I think the prevalence of self-diagnosis is, in part, due to the unpleasantness of actually going to a therapist or psychologist and having them shut down your bullshit.
That's because psychologists understand the root causes of depression and how to help bounce back from it, whereas twitter 'woe is me' self-diagnosed depressed people do not. A lot of the times, depression can cause inaction and loss of interest in anything that people themselves formerly found interesting. Therefore, fundamentally, action against that inaction would be the best way to fight it. Instead, internet self-diagnosed people will just advocate feeding into that cycle of not doing anything, which just enables and furthers the cycle of inaction.
@@ZakkWasNotAvailable you found a good, perhaps even an exceptional, psychologist! Glad they were able to help YOU get on your feet! Respect.
I had a severe eating and exercise disorder for many years. Seeing literally anyone exercise or miss a meal would send me into a fit of rage and hatred because it meant I wasn’t as good as them. I wanted people to stop exercising around me, and my demands became more and more extreme. The psychiatrist didn’t have any of it - avoidance, “trigger warnings”, self pity party’s, walking on eggshells around you - none of this helps the problem and in fact enables it. I’m so grateful he put me through the unpleasant hell that was treatment, because the hell that was the illness was a thousand times worse.
When you have diagnosed BPD like me therapists are abit more careful than the ones youre describing lol. Invalidating the way people with BPD feel is dangerous asf so.
@@ThepPixel yeah the difference is that BPD is severely different in terms of the dynamic between a victim mentality as well as how how positive feedback loops can form around enabling it.
Self-diagnosis can be dangerous because it can misinform you and the medical professionals around you about what type of support you need, and what type is psychological enabling.
the way destiny smiles when he sees vaush, it's like they have an on and off abusive relationship
‘Like’? This has been their anime relationship arc for like 3 seasons now.
It's like that
timestamp? 😁
@@Vin_Venture896 lmao i meant like a romantic relationship but tru
I'm just waiting on the arc where 'more leftists' shunt Vaush and his opinions until he's back to being good with Destiny.
As someone who has gone through this multiple times, I can confidently say that googling symptoms and self-diagnosing are some of the easiest ways to severely mess with your own mental health. It's why I had to disable my browser on my phone. So please don't listen to Demon Mama, if you think something's wrong with you, go to a doctor.
It's ok to do it if you're not stupid and if you're honest with yourself. At least with mild disorders like SAD.
@@richardsantanna5398 Or just don't, work on your actual issues/symptoms as their own problems till you can see a mental health professional and don't attach yourself to a medical label.
And social anxiety is far from a "mild disorder", it's not just being shy or socially awkward.
@@AnimeFan9833
Having a clinical diagnosis to label yourself with can help someone work on their issues by making them realize they're not the only ones who feel this way and making them feel not so alone. I know it's more than just being shy, but it's definitely mild. Especially when compared to something like schizophrenia.
@@richardsantanna5398 I can barely put into words how hard I disagree with this, especially the "social anxiety is mild" part. So I'm just gonna say
*No.*
and dip
@@AnimeFan9833
Well that's no argument 😕
I think a lot of people truly don't understand how bad an actual mental disorder is. 90% of the time people throw out anxiety and depression without never having actually been diagnosed, or even know what it's truly like at all. Like you can have anxiety. But an anxiety disorder COMPLETELY takes over your life to the point where you can hardly function as an adult. And if it gets bad enough, can even lead to straight up psychosis.
I’m convinced some people legitimately think a flight or fight response is an anxiety attack.
@@xDDufiosy think my reply got deleted but I said panic attacks feel like youre actually drowning / in space with no oxygen. And it makes you believe 100% that your life will end in the next 10 seconds. The first three anxiety attacks I had I called 911 each time because I actually thought my life was in danger, until I understood what it was.
100%. Real anxiety isnt fun. Real anxiety ruins entire days, stops you from going to do something fun that youve had planned for weeks/months, tricks your brain into thinking everybody cant stand you. Real depression makes nothing really matter, ESPECIALLY if other people think your "special" or "quirky" for having depression. Real anxiety/depression are literally monsters in your head. I think everybody that has real anxiety/depression can tell when most of those stupid types of people are just "saying" they have these things just to seem "special" or something I guess to others.
@@xDDufiosy getting in a heated convo and getting an increased heart rate and shaking hands is anger or frustration, not fight or flight as well.
Fucking panic attacks man, Jesus. Thought I was having a heart attack, and went in for it.
Man this was one terrible take by DM, this is seriously damaging, especially with the audience she seems to cultivate.
Every time she makes a statement qbout this its like she's so confident and so fucking wrong.
"so confident and so fucking wrong"
This is very common on the internet.
The confidence is what makes me so mad. People following you doesn't make you an authority on every frickin thing under the sun. You have to realize that with such shitty ass takes you are subjecting people to possible harm and that is as horrible and disgusting as it gets
What's worse is if you criticize any of her positions they immediately go on the attack and label you with "demon mama Derangement syndrome" and dismiss whatever you say. Cults are a danger
@@a13605 They always been a problem they prey on human weakness of their needs to be social and validated. While also telling them to hurt themselves and or others to prove themselves. To call somebody a "creep" for options yet then go "yes mistress I'm a good puppy after protecting their 'leader's' bad take".
@@ExeErdna
Just a question.
Who’m are ” they” that ure talking about? Exactly . Trans ppl in general, or what?
It really gives me "do your own research" vibes.
"Don't care what professionals tell you, do your own research and come to your own conclusions." Trust me if we applied this to ANYTHING else, people like Demon Mama would agree that it's a really fucking stupid position.
Oh are we still pretending these lefties aren't ideologues just like the ones in the right?
jetfuel doesnt melt steel hurrdurr research it
@@Ash-jm3pd Yes a trained medical expert actually can because this isn't just about what you feel and what specfic issues you have. It's about slapping a medical term on those issues.
That's like saying "no one can tell you what's wrong with your car better than yourself", of course you know your car but if you wanna find out whats wrong and how to fix it, a mechanic is going to do a better job.
@@AnimeFan9833 the "but but" suggests they were being ironic
I think, the problem here is what you define as doing research.
You should not by default accept everything a professional tells you. Why? Like everyone else Professional's can fall into pitfalls like everyone else. Some researchers are often so entrenched in their own bias's they can't move past it.
What should you do is if you're really concerned about your own health? Read a variety of view's from /professional's/ and come to a conclusion based on that. Unless you know how to do qualative and quanative research and analyze it, it's useless to you as an individual. You also are not taking that data up against trained professional's to analyze it.
You actually see this a lot in Liberal Arts; though it's the most dangerous in STEM. In the History field you have people who are actually educated but don't work within the proper channels to contextualize and challenge that research. Graham Hancock comes to mind (Though he's not a perfect example. There are examples when it comes to Archeology; the Clovis debate is a popular one) . Hancock has a lot of cool ideas; but Historians lambaste him because his research isn't peer-reviewed. So, he rips into the history community talking about how exclusive it is and how they won't accept his research; but when asked to he doesn't.
So what exactly am I saying? Education is important and it's definitely one factor in a series of factors that make one a professional. All that education and sometimes all the research sometimes can be maligned by preconceived conclusions. That's sometimes why a lot of early research (Psychology comes to mind here) is tossed out even if the people who conducted that research are relatively professional. (I'm not in STEM so I'm fixating a lot on History because that's my major.)
My ex wife has BPD and that shit is impossible to live with, and she was completely unable to perceive her behaviour. She could, at any given moment, accuse people of what she was in the act of doing.
Kicked her out when she started targeting our daughter and believing completely she was intentionally trying to sabotage the marriage (she was 2) and withholding food.
Interestingly she had a fondness for diagnosing herself and others too. It was impossible that others didn't have a diagnosis, it was her "gift" to see the truth etc. DM probably believes what she's saying, but it's a fucking insane take that *will* do tangible harm.
I've had Hypothryroidism diagnosed for 9 months now, as a 21 year old man which is super rare. I had problems sleeping, kept forgetting dates, where my keys where at and other memory issues. Off course i only taught it was temporary, i only went to the doctor when my hair started falling out, then it all made sense. But for most people they never get to that point, they never see any physical change, maybe they get chubbier, but never realise it might be an important issue so, they just live their 'normal' life 'handicaped'. EVERYONE should have regular blood checks, be safe guys.
Good point. I got part of my thyroid removed about 8 months ago and was told by the doctor, "there's a chance you won't need to be on meds to help regulate." My headspace was so adamant on not wanting to be on daily meds that I tried to pass it off that I'd be good.
Took part of my hair blonding and thinning and the need to nap every time I come home from work to finally request bloodwork and the endo doctor to say I'll need medication.
I feel you man. Thyroid issues suck
TSH checks are not part of regular blood checks, though.
I’ve been on 200mcg Synthroid for well over a decade for Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, I’m now 26. My levels are in the healthy ranges but I still present symptoms like brittle nails, hair loss and all the other classics. Good luck my dude, hypothyroidism in general sucks ass. Truth though, ask for full thyroid panel and keep that t4 shiz in check
Bringing up a bad experience with a "licensed and accredited" Christian Therapist as an example of why not to trust mental health professionals is like bringing up a bad experience with a "licensed and accredited" homeopath as an example of why you shouldn't trust doctors.
It's also an ignorant statement. My buddy is an atheist, I'm not. He asked who my therapist was at the time because he dealt with alcoholism and was bipolar (he didn't know at the time). Gave him the number, and he loved the therapist. They happened to be one of those Christian therapists (I didnt know when I made the appointment). Got him to better his life, didnt preach to him, didnt try to convert or whatever, didnt put religion into it. They just have religious backgrounds and try to help their patients with religious backing. Even when I went to him, the topic of religion didn't ever come up unless I brought it up. Sure this might not be the norm and she had a bad experience, but I dont like generalizations.
Also, she said that what she is saying isn't anti-intellectualism. This is the very definition of it. It reminds me of that person on Prime's panel that said economics is like astronomy. It's insane.
@@sudafedup there's a difference between a therapist who is Christian and a Christian Therapist. Christian Therapy is the name of a pseudoscientific mental health methodology which is distinct from actual mental health. Christian Therapists aren't therapists getting real degrees in clinical psychology, they get "accreditation" from fake institutions which are much less rigorous and don't teach real medicine. They are snake oil salesmen, just like homeopaths.
@@PitterPatter20 My god I've never heard of these kinds of Therapists.
@@whenthedustfallsaway probably for the best.
@@PitterPatter20 no I agree, but the idea of Christian therapists being some evil generalized is wrong to me. The therapist I went to was a Christian therapist (I didnt know at the time). They advertised as such. They didn't force anything on me. I feel Demonmomma is equating her experience with that which isnt her experience. Best way to word that I guess.
I'm pretty sure there's a thing where med students learning about a host of illnesses go through this constant fear of a new disease they learned about. We're so good at tricking ourselves lol
That definitely happens when people search up symptoms they’re feeling when they’re sick too lol our minds love making connections, real ones and fictitious ones.
Yes, and psych students do the same thing
It's called medical student's disease
Key terms: hypochondria, psychosomatic
@@vgkstone9692 I’ve definitely done this before. It’s crazy how badly we get cucked by our own brains.
The way depression works is you generally don't tweet all day about how depressed you are. Loss of interest is one of the most common and most debilitating symptoms of depression. Even if you normally enjoy tweeting all day, when going through a bout of depression, you derive no pleasure from doing that. It's the same for anything else you enjoy doing. When depressed, nothing gives you pleasure.
And at least for me personally, I'm not even aware it's happening until it's over/ending. It'll be like one day you realize you haven't been eating, showering, cleaning, or even spoke to anyone for days/weeks.
@@comicsans6487 No. I wrote, "when going through a bout of depression."
@@aarontrudel9947 Yeah, that's me too, I only realised I forgot to enroll into a college after someone told me what day it was and I looked when the date I have to do it before was lmao (fortunately there was another way).
I stopped eating until I felt sick, didn't get up to do to the toilet until I was bursting, I didn't shower but the worst thing was that I didn't do any of the things that used to make me happy like video games, reading or even watching movies. All I did was sleep, stem (ADHD, I use rubik's cubes) and feed into my internet addiction to certain websites (mostly youtube). I swear, I've never ever seen time go by so fast, 3 months went by in what now feels like a week.
Basically everything just feels like a chore. Even things you used to love doing. The only things you do are base needs, things you can't control (like ADHD symptoms for example) or the things that if you didn't do, you'd get withdrawal, so things you are addicted to (but that you don't necessarily really like doing).
"Even if you normally enjoy tweeting all day..."
there's a difference between enjoying it and simply just scrolling to feed an internet addiction
@@jamesthecoolguy67 'You generally don't tweet all day about how depressed you are' ... 'Even if you normally enjoy tweeting all day'
there ya go
When mom and dad defend each other from others but won’t make up
When they love each other but they deny there love
@@alonsolopez5527 #Tsunderes
we need more team-up debates to fix this
@@gerunkwon2598 Honestly, I would love policy prescription streams. Stuff like "what is an example of a policy people can advocate for at a local level that helps with public transportation." They both talk about supporting local action, they should talk about things you can fight for locally.
@@trashyBagles
seeing lots of transphobia from destiny's audience.
Btw, not sure if it gets said, but whoever is editing your current intro's is a stud. It does a really good job at giving us the scope of the vid without taking a few seconds out of context to bait the viewer. Also, pretty slick.
August Godstiny
August is like the God of editing.
I see Demon Mama. I see Vaush. I see Destiny facepalming, yep it's youtube tiem
Carpe tiem
@@stefm.5947
Ad Victorium
The conflict between her & the doctors she likes to villainize stem from the fact that the doctor's goal is to heal the illness & her goal is to get a particular diagnosis.
relatives of mine who are medics in the UK have to deal with this all the time. They call it "Dr Google" and it honestly sounds like the bane of their existence because, like Destiny said, people who wrongly self-diagnose themselves become defensive when told they're mistaken, or will game the tests to get the result they think they should have.
It makes having an accurate diagnosis so much more difficult, which in turn means things are more likely to go wrong to the detriment of the patient, who will then turn around and blame the doctor.
Yeah I’ve met people who incorrectly self diagnose and then they refuse to listen to anyone who says otherwise. It is actually a really bad problem. These “woke” people validating self diagnosis because it’s “classist” not to? Actively harmful rhetoric
“Communication is hard to do”
“Let’s make communication harder by giving everyone their personal pronouns”
"My job is communication" yeah and you are doing a pretty shit job.
This is actually super generous and explanatory on why she's wrong, good shit my guy!
Hence why he is treated like a snotrag among online lefties ^_^
@@handsomebear. a what?
Fully agree on the symptoms vs diagnosing the illness bit. It is insane to me that *anyone* can promote self-diagnosis, especially layman. In Social Work and psych classes they are very specific about how if you are facing issues you should turn to others.
Agreed!
We need to get Dr. K to talk about self diagnosis lol
@Jacque in what way
Who the fuck is “Dr. K????”
@Jacque ????
@@coimbralaw HealthyGamerGG. He had a couple conversations with Destiny. Very good dude
You read my mind. Demon mama would literally never make another UA-cam video again if she spoke to dr k for like 1 hour
One of the things you will learn in any psychology class (especially one about mental illness) is the concept of "validity". This is being able to accurately measure and describe what you are intending to. This can be difficult in psychology due to many things being somewhat abstract. For example, how would you qualify and quantify delusions/aggressiveness?
This is a problem in both theoretical and applied psychology. The idea that a doctor will just be able to look at you and "gatekeep" your mental illness is not true. A doctor must take so much into account when deciding what to diagnose someone with/if they should even diagnose someone. Usually there must be a body of evidence, not just checks on boxes in the DSM (even though that is important too).
The reason doctors do this is because being able to accurately describe mental illness in people is actually very complicated. Validity in tests and doctors discretion is NEEDED for a diagnosis to even mean something.
Someone who is untrained (even of they are of sound mind) will have essentially no validity in terms of being able to self-diagnose.
Are you referring to precision vs accuracy in measurements? This is something we learn in virtually every science (health included). You're absolutely right that it is extremely important we use empirically tested diagnostics that are *VALID* for what we are measuring.
@@Godzillaaaaa11 Not exactly! I do agree about accuracy and precision though.
Validity is being able to be confident that you are measuring/examining a specific variable. This requires specific tools.
For example, there is something called the "Beck Depression Inventory" that is a questionnaire used to evaluate depression severity. This test is considered valid because it measures depression severity and nothing else. It can also put this severity into a number.
Keep in mind even if you score supa dupa depressed on the indicator, you wont be diagnosed with depression. But it is a helpful tool to help with diagnosis.
"Autism doesn't progress from stage 1 to stage 7, unless you like... main Yasuo or something" 10/10 right here, keep up the great work Destiny
Kinda creepy how Xanderhal tried his best to emulate Vaush and Destiny simultaneously, and now Demon Mama is trying desperately to emulate Xanderhal. Mannerisms, cadence, etc etc…
No one ever creates their identity from scratch, you might find it creepy, but it is also how everyone else works. We are all part copies
@@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121 outside of childhood no normal person mimics someone else to this degree.
Mimicking arguments and rationale is understandable but when it’s as far as body language and cadence it is obsessive and creepy
And Vaush has mannerisms ripped from Destiny. A good deal of Lefty streamers are different generations of Destiny spawns coming up in each others streams. Iirc Xanderhal predates Vaush on content creation but Vaush was in Destiny's stream plenty as Irishladdie.
@@regionalrange3052
yes.
@@Chumpskey I mean I don't think I'm obsessed with destiny and sometimes I catch myself mimicking his mannerisms subconsciously
"You don't start at stage 1 of autism and progress to stage 7 - unless you main Yasuo or something" LMFAO DEAD
So heartwarming to see one half of the divorced father's to check up on their daughter and make sure they're doing alright
"i'm still on reckfuls couch, im still looping" this world just feels like the bad ending to a game to destiny rn
Destiny the streamer the game
I'm sorry for being charitable to Demonmama before, I haven't seen the full context. I thought she just meant take care of yourself because the doctors can't come to you to diagnose you randomly all the time, you have to come to them in the first place. The gatekeeping take and the rest of what she actually meant is fucking stupid.
What a reasonable take. Impressive that you gave it a fair chance bai
And sooo dangerous
Yeah that's how it sounded to me too: "yeah you can have a hunch your symptoms point to a specific diagnosis, just don't take it as hard and fast or equivalent to a proper diagnosis" Jesus fuck
The reasonable take is you become suspicious that something is wrong and you ask a doctor, even saying what you think it is. They can explain why you’re wrong or right. GAD, OCD, Depression, and PTSD can look similar to a lay person, but need different approaches, so wedding yourself to one diagnosis without professional assessment can be very dangerous. It can also pathologize normal behavior or responses (probably not clinical depression if you can’t function well for a week or two after your spouse dies, for example)
If that's actually what she means, she completly butchered and raped the actual meaning of "self-diagnosis". Thinking something is wrong and going to the doc is not self-diagnosis, it's just going to the doc. Why the fuck would you go to the doc, if you didn't think something is wrong.
Imagine spending so much time and energy studying every single disease and differentiating between highly similar signs and symptoms just for someone to "diagnose" themselves with stage 4 lung cancer because they coughed a little too many times .
I work in nutrition and whilst not at the same level as a doctor, we get the same issue where people ask for help then immediately tell you you're wrong when you give advice 🤔
Give me the advice I want to hear
I can only imagine the hell that working in nutrition must be with all these fad diets going around. Everybody seems to think there’s a miracle diet out there that will let them live forever and grow 6 inches.
@@MaxG-jk8ty have you added strength training?
I used to play baseball in college and was “super fit”. I destroyed my rotator cuff my Junior year and my pitching dreams were crushed. Anyway, after college I didn’t workout regularly and partied a lot, so I packed on the pounds.
Now I’m as fit as I was in college playing ball. I started out with calorie intake, strength training and cardio, but once I hit the wall like it seems you have, I focused more on strength training and less cardio. I finally got over that wall and found working out become something I looked forward to instead of a routine. My typical weekly routine is 4 days of weights/strength trading, 2 days cardio/core, 1 day off or light cardio.
It seems you added 5 miles to your routine. Instead of the add, take a couple miles off and add to your strength training. See how that goes.
Just my experience.
@@MaxG-jk8ty tracking calories and consistently going to gym when you don’t want to is always the easiest answer. There’s a lot of diets that work but being able to maintain them over a lifetime is almost always impossible. Moderation is way easier than changing your entire diet. I’ve tried both lol
Makes sense. Why did you waste your time seeking a professionals opinion if you're going to dismiss it anyways.
57:35 DM: "All of life is Self treatment !!"
Good Lord. Wannabe Demosthenes here drops a Bud light version on the meaning of life 🙄
I'm a simple man. I see Destiny dragging DemonMama, I click.
"I promise you I don't give a flying f%ck about Destiny. It'll only take me six hours and nine videos to explain why."
sss theyre in love they just dont want to admit it #enemiestolovers #gayrights 🤯🤯🤯🤯😱😱😱😨😨❤️❤️❤️😈😈😁
Oh deer! A new Destiny video.
These videos will always be deer to my heart
@@clem7057 Hart*
Did you hit a deer today or something?
I really appreciate the autism clarification. I am close to this issue and it feels great to know such a bright mind is speaking for people that literally can't speak. Thank you!
This is my favorite Vaush Drama channel on youtube.
34:17 As a high functioning autistic person (a.k.a 'Level 1 - Mild ASD'), I totally agree 👍
I've personally seen how much more of a struggle it is for lower functioning autistic people (being in special ed classes) which isn't to say I didn't struggle as well, but I couldn't imagine going through what they have to daily.
Medical student here - when destiny was talking about the qualitative being more important than quantitative, he pretty much nailed it. Quantitative data is often pretty useless without the context of surrounding symptoms, age, lifestyle, past medical history, etc.
"We should ban speaking of destiny in our community"
"We should erase Trotsky from all these photos"
I just thought DemonMama self diagnosed herself I didn’t realize she was encouraging other people to do it too. Holy shit 😂😂😂😂 WOW
*he
@@heftymagic4814 don't be a bigot
I was born and raised in Japan and Japanese is my native language. I also teach Japanese to English speakers for a living. A quick point about the Japanese and pronouns. Japanese does have pronouns but most of the time, it isn't used and it's gender-neutral, and you can omit them. You can use gendered language like "that girl" or "that guy" if you need to specify the gender of the person but in everyday conversation, it is firmly neutral or omitted.
The omission is a little more difficult to explain in English but the basic explanation is that Japanese is highly contextual. For instance, suppose you have the sentence "I am going to the park." That "I" would be cut out if you're talking in a normal situation. So it would be 公園に行きます。(literal translation: "Park going") by default, the "I" is omitted. You can add "I" as I see most beginner speakers do when they are learning Japanese but one, it will make you sound very amateurish and two, that's not how the Japanese language is spoken. If you were to say "she is going to the park", you will usually say 彼女は公園に行きます。(Literal translation: that girl is park going) where 彼女 can usually refer to either a woman or girlfriend based on the context it is used. Even then, if the speakers know who you are talking about, the gender isn't relevant to the conversation or they know the gender of the person already then "that girl" will be omitted. That commenter was kind of right. Modern Japanese does have pronouns but isn't used in 99.9% of cases. When pronouns are used, it isn't used in the same way as it is used in English.
To a Japanese speaker, English feels almost arbitrary and oddly specific. It feels like you have to specify pronouns every single time for little to no reason. Anyways, that's my quick rant about Japanese and pronouns.
Good video, as usual, Destiny.
Hi everyone that got this video right into their feeeeed
I was hungry too just in time 😁
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I wouldn't wish borderline personality disorder on anyone. It's ruined all of my relationships with people my entire life, and its not something you can diagnose yourself. that is absurd.
Sometimes I wish it on my tinder dates because they're usually freaks in the sheets
I'm not against trans people, but I've been trying to push back about these kinds of trans people like DM as they gain a lot of traction and become representatives for the movement. Glad destiny exposes her for the complete opportunist that she is
The problem is some of these trans content creators have 99% cis fans who are virtue signalling and supporting anything the trans creator says.
@@interdimensionalsteve8172 100% as long as she says certain key things like "I'm a socialist, I'm for human rights etc etc" she gets a pass. It's generally how sociopaths climb social or even business ladders. They appeal to the group in order to manipulate them. Eventually they will expose their true agenda one way or another though. But often it's too late for that
@@basedcentrist3056 I don't think demanmama is a sociopath lol
Calm down cowboy.
@@PuddingXXL I would heavily disagree with that, this person is a Hollow, a series of masks in attempt to gain things, I have no idea if they are certifiable a sociopath, but they have all the classic signs.
@@keithfilibeck2390 I would hope that the people that agree self diagnosing = bad would agree that psychoanalysis, attaching a random diagnosis to people is bad but Ig not…I think we can say DM sucks like a lot, is super harmful to anything she tries to support, I’d probably agree with most negative stuff about her but we don’t need to stoop to her level
32:15 you can get over the crux of what forms an ocd diagnosis. Obsessive or compulsive behavior/thoughts can be brought under control which stops it from imparing function and thus removing the D for disorder from the OCD and removing any need for the diagnosis
Just clocked in and destiny dropped this right in my feeeeed just in time
What you say about depression is so true and something I used to get a bit of contention with when dealing with certain people. So many people deacribed it as if their brains were broken and I always asked 'how do you know'. It's not like someone looked at it, and when asked why they struggle to sleep or something similar they'd say 'depression' and it felt like they viewed depression as causeless. I've been in and out of depression, but I always figure there is some way I can beat it and I have improved my life immensely because of that.
Destiny have you read Jonathan Haidt's "The Righteous Mind" or some of his other stuff? He talks a lot about social psychological experiments of tricking ourselves into thinking one thing or another
Destiny doesn’t read
Haidt is the shit
@@harryh7605 Destiny can’t read, he’s illiterate
Thats why his friend runs his twitter acc
@@harryh7605 this is actually a book he needs to read
thanks im giving this a listen.
44:35
My dad has BPD. Living with him screwed me up so bad. Depending on the swing I could be facing him threating to kill my dogs, to kick me out of the house for a couple days, or holding his sobbing body (that's what it felt like. it wasn't hugging him). The worst part being is he had me convinced I had something inherently wrong with me that was causing all the chaos.
Im sorry you had to deal with that 💔 i have bpd and struggling..
An ex that I was with for 4 years had BPD. It really does put a huge strain on basically every aspect of life with someone and similarly it made me feel like something was wrong with me. I can't even imagine growing up around that. Hope you're doing ok.
@@Bread_n_Roses I'm doing better now. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Hopefully your ex sought some help too.
Destiny joked about people thinking their lives are like House, but even House starts with the simple assumptions first and assumes the patient has no idea what they are talking about.
Main character syndrome. We're talking about the smartest people on the planet here, come on!
Destiny breaks down Demon Mama's "slippery slope" argument on neo pronouns and points out that questioning the legitimacy of neo pronouns (a grammatical expression, mainly on twitter) is in no way similar to questioning the legitimacy of being trans (which has been a lived experience throughout human history), because the two elements are not similar. Sometimes it's good to question dumb things and just because we question dumb ideas does not mean we automatically have to throw out every single thing that's not dumb.
This is why Destiny is the smartest.
Destiny's absolutely right about BPD. I know someone like that and it's a very difficult thing to deal with on both ends. It's not easy to accommodate that - when someone's basically screaming and fighting you one day, and then the next day it's all chill.
Coming back in 2024 just to say that Destiny was correct about the medicine thing and it’s crazy that people back then (2 years ago) and now still don’t have that basic understanding of medicine.
I once worked with this guy, he comes in to work one morning, white as a sheet and announces loudly "I have syphilis." He self-diagnosed and had one or two of the most peripheral symptoms.
I’m a clinical psychology doctoral student - the DSM 5 contains various criteria for different disorders. The fact is, a lot of them are vague, and most people can read the DSM and think that certain criteria correspond with their experience. Psychodiagnostic interviewing is a skill we learn and it’s quite tricky, not to sound pompous, but the layperson is not equipped to self diagnose
Lol those ''genderless'' languages are usually based on the notion that the understanding of gender in most places of the world isn't convoluted. I'd argue that they probably wouldn't even exist if transgenderism was accepted in most of the world. It is also usually done to simplify an already complex enough language.
For example, Japanese is mostly genderless because the assumption is that, in a normal conversation, the genders are obvious and therefore it is seen as unpractical to reaffirm them. Its actually rude in Japanese to refer to someone who you're talking to using genders, it is seen as if you're questioning it one way or another.
But they will use genders or other pronouns if the subject of the sentence isn't obvious or if it is a complex one.
So yes, Japanese is kind of genderless, but she wouldn't like the reasons why.
Furthermore why is she presenting genderless languages as the ''Utopia'' while fighting for more pronouns? I am so confused by this person.
Its like the whole LatinX thing. Lots of Spanish speaking folks hate that because it essentially strips away the basis of how the language is structured, which is gendered. But they don't care.
nah you just have no clue what you are talking about. japanese 100% has gendered language that changes when speaking formally to someone of a certain gender, you are talking about the lack of pronoun usage period. in japanese you dont say "what do you think" or "what does he think" they literally always use anothers name, so if i am having a conversation with john and i want to know how his day was you dont go "how was your day" you go "how was johns day?", the reason to have gendered pronouns is rendered redundant when a persons actual name is always used when referring to them.
@@zoniannitrate2905 How is using someone's name gendered speech? Your whole argument is poorly written, poorly phrased and overall made me dumber. Thank you.
@@sHmAaa interesting, since my argument is just overall shit you would have no problem dismantling it, right? then why just say its weak instead of showing how its weak? because you are an idiot. i clearly state there is less use of gendered pronounds because proper nouns are nearly always used when referring to people. in japanese you will hear people say the persons name who they are talking to over and over again, one of the reasons it is quite strange for foreigners to learn. there are he and she pronounds, aswell as honourifics like "kun" and "boku" when referring to self...
@@zoniannitrate2905 Because you said nothing. We're all aware Japanese speaking people have a word for he and she you idiot.
Using them is still laughed upon by most Japanese people. It is seen as a tell tell sign that your Japanese skills are poor.
You don't really use Watashi, you don't really use Kare or Kanojo either. It is all usually implied. You'd only reinforce them in a normal conversation if the subject wasn't clear.
I have no idea why you keep referring to people's name in a conversation about gender in speech.
Furthermore, honorific titles are just that, honorific titles. They are more based around social standing than gender. Great example is senpai, it is used for both genders.
I don't think Japanese is genderless, my whole point was that it can seem like it is but it isn't.
So you're mostly arguing with a mirror I think.
Psychiatrist here, there are soo many people who are self diagnosed with bipolar type 2 because they had 3 days when they felt good, had higher libido, and maybe spent a bit more than usual. Often, they can even convince a specialist about their symptoms and get the full combo of lithium+lamotrigin+some antipsychotic totally unnecessary!
I don't think they can convince a specialist, I think they wear them down. If some moron comes to you every week for months going "Ok but this time I really do have Bipolar actually because..." I can see how they'd just give them the meds to make them fuck off. They shouldn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it happens.
Isn't it relatively rare?
I find it absolutely hilarious that the top comment under the DM video (at least as of 8:24) is calling DM out for the brutal take she has here
This is why it's important to note that it's only a disorder if it impairs your ability to function in every day activities. If you are able to cope or are better off with some traits, then it's not a disorder. But it doesn't mean all autism isn't a disorder!
Severity matters in defining mental illness!
Wait, so an autistic person who can mask very well and has copings mechanisms to function like an average person, do they then still have autism? Or is _their_ autism not an disorder?
@@nehriim3748
You would have to ask a psychologist about that lol.
@@bananian well, it is kinda what your comment seems to boil down to though?
@@nehriim3748
Yeah, my opinion would be that the person has autistic traits but not a disorder.
@@bananian then why would the diagnosis always be ASD which is short for "autism spectrum disorder"?
51:45 yes! It's driving me fucking insane all the people trying to take a serious condition like transsexualism and turn it into whatever the fuck they want it to mean. It's so disrespectful
Ikr I'm so glad destiny addressed that 🙏🏽
I hate the whole " Dr Google" era we are in. My wife will stub her toe on the sofa then 4 minutes on Google and she has deep vein thrombosis. And it makes it a struggle to get her to actually speak to her doctor as she thinks that they will just tell her what she already knows.
I think that's mainly a us thing since people are affraid to go see their doctor, pay 1000 dollars, and learn they have nothing.
I don't think this is as much of an issue elsewhere (I live in France)
Exactly one of my family members had that same problem and ended up taking medication that they were allergic when trying to self diagnose themselves it’s really problematic and should not be encouraged
@@Reza-hz1ce I'm actually in Scotland but you are probably correct in that it is worse in the us.
1:27:00
Japanese has pronouns but from my experience they aren't used nearly as much as in English, a lot of the time the subject is implied. Maybe there are other languages that work like this?
Yeah whoever said that just spoke out of their ass 彼女(kanojo)can be used as her and 彼女ら(kanojora) is exclusively used as "they" for females.I will agree its pretty uncommonly used though.
On the other side of things, I feel like there's a lot of ignorance when it comes to mental health, that leads people to think the system is more capable of helping people than they are. For example, when you see people blaming schizophrenics for not taking their medication. "Oh he doesn't even want to get better". Anti-psychotics can have a plethora of side effects, to the point that person may just prefer dealing with their symptoms. It's worth remembering that science isn't god, and treatment in this realm of things still has enormous leaps to go through
Yes;
My mom wanted me to quit going to the therapist I started seeing due to a traumatic event after maybe 10 visits bc I wasn't fixed enough yet 🙃
We need Destiny to have an interview with an actual psychologists and/or neuroscientists. Would be super informative i think!
I'm still waiting for my Jordan Peterson/Destiny talk
He did. Destiny had several conversations with a psychologist called Ana Frills.
He had talks with Dr. K
@@dussrandomness this though!
Neuroscientists are very different. JF and Sam Harris are neuroscientists.
So Destiny is reacting to Demon Mama reacting to Vaush reacting to Blaire White?
Just wanted to comment for the algo. This is a huge problem in the medical industry and glad you've decided to put out content to combat miss-information.
1:27:00 There are many different ways of conveying information that languages utilize. For example german hides information about the objects/subjects grammatical gender and number in nouns with different suffixes. This allows germans speakers to sometimes switch around the sentence structure without changing the meaning (because the information is already in the modification of a word); which is actually another way of conveying information.
So maybe they have to always say the name, or maybe there is another way of communicating that information.
Man, I wish English could still do this. English also used to have case, gender, and number encoded in suffixes, articles, and adjectives, and it had free word order. Fucking phonological change reducing all the suffix endings to the same vowels so that "Hunde" and "Hunda" lost their distinctions ruined English.
But so many sentences in Old English and German match up perfectly: "ich habe einen Hund gefunden", "ic hæbbe anne hund gefunden". "Einen Hund hab' ich gefunden", "anne hund hæb' ic gefunden"
One thing to note: Sometimes you legit are more aware of what you have than the doctor is... There's some doctors that just don't seem to bother taking what you say very seriously and it can lead to misdiagnoses...
My gf has a terrible problem with making herself worse when she’s sick, and after she had an anxiety attack she convinced herself she was crazy because she had looked up causes of the symptom and would start having worse and worse thoughts to the point she had to go to the hospital a few times so they could lower her blood pressure and stop freaking out. It’s so scary that the mind can do that
I like how destiny informs his community of mental and physical health. Even though this comment might sounds cliche, I’m not wrong.
Last year I was dealing with my parents getting covid and I thought I had it and was terrified and gave myself nausea, and lost a day or two to sickness on top of general anxiety. It was mentally one of the worst times in my life. I can’t imagine living in a perpetual nightmare of being a hypochondriac, self diagnosing, and making themselves sick everyday of their life.
That's actually true! you can give yourself a huge complex and it'll manifest to physical symptoms
@@danielmccarten4357 it kind of blew my mind after it happened and I had real tangible symptoms because of it.
@@swatchcovers5401 I had the same thing. I had surgery and had the standard pain afterwards so pretty much stopped 'living my life' for a week. After that week, I kept thinking that the pain will still be there and it manifested for like a month. One day I said to myself, I shouldn't have pain I'm going to go out. The pain never came back as soon as I was halfway through my outing.
The brain is a strange thing
a couple months ago i thought i had rheumatoid arthritis bc my mom has it and i had several symptoms of it. then after a couple weeks the joint stiffness (could barely make a fist when i woke up), malaise etc. just went away and now i feel so stupid. i still wonder what it was that made me sick but im just glad it wasnt anything serious. could've been anything really
it doesn't help that there's already a stigma to mental health, and it's hard enough confronting that, so telling someone with those issues that doctor's have their own agenda and won't believe you is piling even more onto an already established issue.
(edit: PEOPLE AREN'T SCARED OF EXPERTS, THEY ARE SCARED OF SOCIAL STIGMA)
Exactly, this was exemplified when destiny was talking about depression, these people are already losing hope, you telling someone that it's not something you have but rather something you are, no one can help you is probably the worst thing you can tell someone
I appreciate all this nuanced talk about mental illness, not specific to any one in particular. I've finally worked up the courage to seek professional help for whatever mental abnormalities or problems i have. The only way I could get there was to stop constantly diagnosing myself. It's not that you do it once and that's it, you're now depressed. Your thought keep spiralling around that idea of being definite in one area and you only focus on that. If there's one thing that shouldn't be normalised it's self-diagnosis. It's close to the mark but realising the effects of problems is not the same as thinking about what those problems might be.
Man...I wonder why DemonMama gets so triggered by people suggesting that some people are trans to be popular...I really can't figure it out.
A real issue with self diagnosis is like you said how many things are caused by other things. Like certain mental health symptoms can be caused by actual, non-mental health-related illnesses or deficiencies. Some of those things can be dangerous if left unchecked, which someone might do if they write off their symptoms as something else. Hell, some types of brain injuries and tumors can present with symptoms that align with certain mental illnesses- imagine if you had a brain tumor that could have been treated but instead was left to grow because you self diagnosed your issue as something else?
Not to mention how just lots of little health issues from minor things can feel stacked up to something really serious. I was convinced I was seriously depressed for so long, but never bothered with treatment cause I heard bad shit about SSRIs, but after getting a job, getting good sleep, and that forcing my diet to fix because I can't eat all day at work, as well as a lot more socialization, all those little issues that felt like they were stacking up to crushing depression gradually peeled off to basically be nothing. I had no motivation, because I wasn't sleeping well. I had no excitement for things, because I had no job so was just doing things impulsively, since I didn't have to plan things around work. My self worth felt like shit because I was a touch overweight and unkempt, being being forced to shower and walk 20 minutes to work and back and getting some fresh air really makes a difference. It's kind of wild how a lot of seemingly serious issues are actually just smaller ones seeming worse than they are.
ive never in my life actually been personally offended by someones opinion until now
Another thought about the "getting the diagnosis". As someone who ended up struggling with a difficult to diagnose problem, going years and years without an answer is really exhausting, so I get it. People want to treat themselves like a computer. If your ram is failing or failed, you can replace it. If you have a short on your mobo, you can test it and then replace it if needed. People want to know. I have type 2 diabetes and I need to change my diet and then I'll feel better.
Also, a lot of peoples lives are just unironically shitty and doctors can unfuck your life for you. They can help you cope and build strategies to move towards success. They can just magic the fact that your wife died away...or whatever other fuckery is going on for that person.
@28:47 this is a really important point by Destiny. I’ve been interested in math since I was young and am now going to college in it. In between those 2 events, I was diagnosed with ADHD. Neurodivergence is kind of the perfect way to describe it because of how it shows up in cognitive testing. Cognitive tests give you a range of tasks with all of them looking at various nervous system functions we do when we complete tasks. These skills are then put in percentiles. For most people, they have a few that are high, a few in the middle, and a few that are low. When you look at mine however, what you see are nothing but highs and lows and in a sense that’s what it means to be neurodivergent; your executive functions and cognitive skills are all either perfect or non existent. Thus these gaps arise. These gaps have to be handled differently then one would handle the issues had by normal kids. There’s this stereotype about math people that you are born math people; mental illness plays a role here as many also believe mental illnesses like autism, ADHD, and OCD make you better at math. Frankly, it couldn’t be more false and more destructive. First, my being good at math has nothing to do with my ADHD and everything to do with the fact that I’ve worked my ass off to be the best I can possibly be at what I do. Second, it pushes people away from the field; how many people would’ve been good at math but thought was just for crazy people.
Good lord. Demonmama speaks with sooo much authority giving her “objective” prescriptions of truth based on her highly highly niche, subjective experience. She is NOT the person to go to for advice on virtually any subject. Unbelievably irresponsible
jakesneuk ">when you realize demonmama has the same cadence as tucker carlson" holy shit lmfao
I’m right leaning but I respect the hell out of Destiny, I think he’s an honest man with a good heart and I appreciate his willingness to participate in dialogue across party lines, he’s a credit to the left 100 percent
Destiny's take on solving the almost endless list of issues with capitalism is to make slow incremental changes that won't get through Congress anyway so I wouldn't say he's particularly left wing even by American standards. Being a decent person on social issues isn't inherently left wing. Theresa May, who is absolutely staunchly right wing, pushed one nation conservatism which included expanding civil rights in the UK for instance whereas Stalin did horrific things to minorities despite being economically left. Right and Left are more economical than social.
@@ItsSpecialHands Are you from England?
@@joshuamichael2463 yeah bud
Haters: Destinys online political content is toxic he should be on the ground doing real work!
Destiny: Tries to do real political action and gets immediately cancelled leading to a jaded attitude towards politics.
Also Haters: All Destiny does these days is play League and cause personal drama
What was the real political action ?
@@kevindsz Omaha election
Yeah Destiny is the real victim...
@@daveruda He's not a victim, he just doesn't bitch and complain constantly about "harassment" even though he gets plenty. Because he's an adult and understands what comes with the territory. People do similar and worse to him but he just ignores. Maybe demonperson could learn something.
Re: self diagnosis.
I was diagnosed with ADHD at age 19, but couldn't afford treatment, so I just sort of let it go. It was at 35 that I started to notice how my untreated ADHD was actually inpacting me and creating chaos in my life. As a 5 year old I suddenly had to wear glasses, but since my eyesight was all I knew, I didn't think I had blurry vision. Had I self diagnosed at 19, I would never ever have guessed ADHD, and like my 5 year old self who thought she saw clearly, I couldn't really see how ADHD impacted me in order to have picked it up. It was a psychiatrist who specialised in adult ADHD.
Has DemonMama heard of "Nocebo effect"
It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that she went to the doctor and/or therapist, heard that's she's completely fine and decided "F that, doctors are stupid, I'm self diagnosed"
To be fair though, have you ever been misdiagnosed by a doctor for something physical, and you KNOW they're wrong? It's happened to me multiple times, and it took me stubbornly insisting that something else was wrong, and after further testing, I was right! Sometimes the doctors can be totally wrong with physical stuff, so why would you think that doctors who work with mental illness would be any better? I mean, I've literally had broken bones, hernias, eye issues, etc, that were completely misdiagnosed by a doctor.
I feel like she is approaching a point with some things, there are certain conditions that doctors often do dismiss too readily that can harm people. For example, anything going on with overweight people is often just dismissed as a problem of their weight and not carefully examined, or how it can take years for people living with the pain of endometriosis to have their pain taken seriously. Her arguments probably would have been a lot better if she took that angle, but she never quite got there
Edit: looks like she did get to it after all, that’ll show me not to comment before I finish the video. This really seems like two people with their own set of experiences projecting them onto the same topic in different ways
Yeah as much as I think it’s dangerous to encourage people to self diagnose, there needs to be some acknowledgement that doctors can overlook or dismiss real problems people struggle with and that’s not event counting how sometimes you can just get the wrong diagnoses. It’s a super emotionally charged topic and it would take a lot more nuance and knowledge on the topic to handle it with proper tact than I think the average big twitch streamer has.
Mmm, I know what Destiny is saying about self diagnosis, but I think there’s a big difference between seeking diagnosis for a mental vs medical issue.
I have people in my life that had to go to multiple doctors for some rare fucked up thing their body had. Because unfortunately a lot of doctors will only looked at the superficial symptoms and just said, “eh sleep it off and come back if you get any worse.”
Well it is important to stay at the same doctor so they recognize what changes with what treatment and what doesn't to properly diagnose. But also change to a different doctor if you recognize that communication doesn't work between you.
My ex gf is borderline. I love her, but it’s so unsustainable. It is the absolute worst. You can be doing everything right and still never know if you’ll wake up to a text about breaking up or canceling plans because they got some idea in their head out of nowhere. It’s so hard on you. I’d rather deal with a narcissist anyday! I’m a codependent empath so me and cluster Bs is a match made in hell. Easier to stay single and at peace lol
I have BPD and generalized anxiety disorder but I do everything to get healthy, maybe one day get rid of all the symptoms and I'd never self diagnose
So what made you go to see a psychologist?
@@bananian I first had trouble with social anxiety and feeling depressed so my parents advised me to talk to a therapist. But after I was hospitalized because of suicidality and self harm issues i got to talk to a psychologist long term who also made a thorough evaluation of my issues
Keep up the hope! It’s possible to go in “remission.” Therapy is imperative for people with BPD.
Always remember your physical health is a massive part of your mental health.
@@AnimeFan9833 Very true, exercise is really important
I'm a clinical psychologist, Destiny is pretty much on point. Suggesting mental illness to one's self is a huge problem.
Most clin psychs (I met) are dipshits lol
I don't mind destiny being critical of dm's take here but the idea of docs being the be all end all when it comes to diagnosis is as harmful as the opposite
Which becomes quite obvious when you know/have met people that have been misdiagnosed and treated the wrong way
@@MrJeo29 This is a valid criticism, diagnoses in and of themselves can be problematic when it comes to accuracy. Diagnosis should not define therapy, in fact it should not take on too large a role whatsoever. When it comes to treatment of patients, the most important thing is to help the person, not to label something and follow that label down some predetermined treatment plan.
That being said, if labels are to be applied, the clinician is far more qualified to give one than the layman is, despite the fact that some things are misdiagnosed.
The reason autism is on a spectrum is the same reason we don't just call all cancers one cancer. The diagnosis and treatment are drastically different depending on where you lie on the spectrum.
Also don't rely to heavily on DSM definitions you'd be surprised at just how much influence pharma has on DSM inclusions. An author of a previous version talked about it in a book
I love that moment when Destiny just called DemonMama one time to just make fun of her for 10 minutes, that's exactly the treatment she deserves
You are on point with OCD / Anxiety. (anecdotally at least I'm not a professional) Personally helped my wife through it. She could barely function at all when things were getting bad let alone self diagnose. A regiment of medication, exposure therapy and family support got her through the worst of it. I'm very glad we haven't gotten to the point where I needed to celebrate her condition instead of actively trying to fix it. My life would have basically been over as dealing with a spouse or loved one with severe OCD can take up most of your free time and really tug on your sanity.
Exposure therapy is underrated, it's not fun, it's uncomfortable, you're going to have panic attacks but there's literally no other way past your fear other than confronting it.
Destiny watching right-wingers: 10 minutes of original video, 1 minute of commentary from Steven
Destiny watching left-wingers: 10 minutes of original video, 1 hour of commentary from Steven
Destiny- "Trans is not, like, a mental illness"
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self diagnosis can be alright in some instances, like, say you've always been a bit weird compared to others and later in life you read about autism and think yea maybe that explains a few things and it really doesn't matter that much to you beyond that. but it quickly gets to the point of being irresponsible from there especially when in situations where you could be hurting yourself because you're that convinced by your own confirmation biases.
Idk I feel like most of this is semantics diagnosis is a very technical term, it necessitates some form of treatment and thats where the issues began, or when you do go to get a real diagnosis then you already have confirmation bias which only makes the process harder and the fact that I had to say real diagnosis just goes to prove my point that using this word in the incorrect context makes it lose its utility
that's not what diagnosis means, thats the whole reason why shes wrong. shes using the word to say "having a hunch that maybe you might have something", which is not what self diagnosis is