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00:00 Intro
00:29 I would date a cisgender individual
02:28 You should be able to medically transition before adulthood
04:05 My teachers are accepting of my pronouns
05:42 I have come out more than once
07:16 Cisgender individuals do not understand my struggles
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Our bad! At 4:20 Gibby's pronouns should be "he/him" and at 6:08 Bry's pronouns should be "they/them".
Our deepest apologies from the Jubilee team for that error.
You guys could easily delete and reupload the video instead of using people’s incorrect pronouns in a video that will live online forever lol. But go off.
Lmfao
reupload the video and correct it
@@tophernuzzo6446 is it that deep?
Aren’t “they” and “them” used for more than one thing? Why is she referred to as such?
Would've loved to see the following prompts:
"My parents support my transition"
"Fully transitioning is important to me"
"I realized I was trans at a young age"
"I'm worried I'll regret transitioning some day"
Really would’ve loved to see the last one tbh, something I think abt a lot
Yes to all of those!
These are literally way better prompts
@@MXGIRL87 They should hire me🤣
Those are waaaay better prompts. Most of the prompts in this video could’ve been asked to trans people of any age like why not ask trans TEENS questions related to being trans AND a teenager?
Do all trans kids think the same?
Yes apparently. I think we needed more controversial topics as prompts
Yea I agree
Most people in cults are like that🌚
Ignore the obvious troll reply above me people, no need to flood the reply section arguing with these ignorant individuals
@@user-sy5bj5nd6x phizer's most loyal customers cult 😂
@@user-sy5bj5nd6x tell us about your organized religion
Would love to see “Single Moms vs. Divorced Dads” or “Custodial Mothers vs. Non Custodial Fathers”. This is the conversation that needs to be had.
Would love to be apart of that as well!
This would also be very interesting with the reverse genders as well, with custodial dads and non-custodial moms.
Why divorced dads and single momw and not just single dads and single moms??
@@pemanilnoob587 Why not?
@@thewellpreppedfather8861 Because "divorced" doesn't always mean that they are the ones exclusively taking care of the child and "single mom" doesn't always mean divorce.
@@onemoreweirdo207 This is exactly why I said “or Custodial Mothers vs Non-Custodial Fathers”…..
I'm happy that trans teens are having their voices amplified but these questions were terrible. Told us basically nothing new.
It never talks about transing the gay away or Detrans
@@derekb4977 what does that even mean
Fr I would have liked to see more controversial prompts and just better questions in general
@@theemopunkisaiah this is a cult
@@derekb4977 what are you talking about dude
Non-binary is sometimes such a hard concept for me to grasp, especially when they don’t dress much different from what a ‘typical’ female or male would look like. Idk as a girl myself i don’t feel hyper feminine or attached to my pronouns or what people precieve me as, so to have it be so important to them is very interesting to me. Maybe that comes across and very ignorant cis-girl of me but being transgender i can totally understand, the gender you are born into not relating to the body that you have. But with non-binary.. i can’t grasp how of why you would relate to having no gender at all
plenty of cis people don’t dress like a ‘typical’ female or male. there are masculine women and feminine men. being nonbinary doesn’t have to mean complete androgyny. at the end of the day it doesn’t matter if we understand how everyone feels, it’s more important to respect them regardless.
non binary people dont owe anyone androgyny
oh totally. i just came to the conclusion that we're so brainwashed when it comes to the gender binary that we can't see past it or conceptualize what it means to be non binary. but props to those who managed to break that binary for themselves!
Ah I totally cannot grasp non-binary too. I was always a tomb boy, I never wanted kids, and probably never will ( I'm hetero and happily married for 5 years btw) I like cars, gaming, I don't ware makeup, but it doesn't make me not a or less of a female, I am just not a girly female :D For me gender is sex, but I think that concept is natural because of my language, we do not have different words for sex and gender. But I do perfectly understand when people want to be/become another gender/sex. I just don't get the in-between stuff, aren't we all just a bit off of the perceived norm? Why the label is so important that you want to strip it and add a new one?
Sameeeeee
Would love to see a similar one but with trans folks who are 40+
they usually don't exist or they transitioned in their later life... because younger trans people usually 41%
Lets ask the trans folk who are 40+ : 🎤🪦
there’s like 5 40* trans folk
Trans folx dood
That wouldn't work because these nonsense was non existent in the past.
Was wondering when Jubilee would make another spectrum video, I've missed them. Also can you do "do all children (or people) with divorced parents think the same?"
That would be so interesting, I'd watch that. And a version with grown ups whose parents divorced when they were kids.
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OMG YES SHOUTOUT TO MY FELLOW HOMIES OF DIVORCED PARENTS
@@7boxes_ofluck Hiiii 👋
omg yes they need to do that
‘ no one sees you as non binary because you still have feminine qualities about yourself “ dAmN bRo that hit very close to home
You calling them a bro is misgendering, checkmate.
no one sees her as non binary because she's a woman and nonbinary isn't a thing lol
@@xghxoxstx bro is neutral tho. Like people call everyone bro
@@xghxoxstx Cringe comment ngl, pretty much snowflake
@@alondragarcia1784 bro means brother
i LOVE ivy!!! i’m a female but have masculine features and looks and when she said we can empathize that struck me so hard. i feel sad daily. to me i look very masculine in a female body but i don’t like it. i wish i had a socially acceptable feminine look. i deal with the thoughts daily.
would love to see older vs younger trans people to compare different life experiences
“I want my Prince Charming like the other cis girls” 😭😭😭 bruh i wish it was that simple
It’s honestly so gross hearing these transwomen romanticize womanhood. It really makes me realize that they do not identify with the struggle at all. It’s just a costume for them
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cry more cishet
@@mypronouniselonmusk4559 isn't it great tho? Men are telling women how to be women! Even our politicians and some "scientists" refuse to define what a woman is, but a dude wearing woman's clothes can!
@@mypronouniselonmusk4559 i totally agree!
it’s so interesting seeing Kana on this video, i used to follow him years ago and it’s so lovely to see him medically transitioned and comfortable with himself. also all of these people are so beautiful
ive followed Kana since his musically days back in 2015. I still follow him on instagram and tiktok it’s crazy and i’m so proud of how far he’s came.
They asked them virtually nothing.
I wish all of these participants so much love, joy and peace in their lives. I want to hug them all! All of them must have been through so much. I hope it gets easier for all of you, sweet ones ❤️
So, sweet 😀
They said they get perceived as a lesbian couple but how are strangers supposed to know any different if they don’t know you’re non-binary especially since non-binary people are rare to come by in everyday life.
i think it’s probably less-so that nonbinary people are super rare to come by, and more that the majority of cis people are just assuming that everyone is cis. like, i’m nonbinary and i interact with people all the time. i see other nonbinary people out in public a a lot. part of being nonbinary is deciding how we make ourselves legible in a binary world, and honestly most of the time it’s safer and easier to forgo being perceived accurately and decide to not challenge or correct people when they see us as cis.
i don’t think they were saying ‘ahhh people see me as a part of a lesbian couple and people are terrible bc of it’ - they were saying that its frustrating being perceived in a way that feels inaccurate to your understanding of self because other people have a much narrower understanding of the broadness of gender and sexuality. i think most queer people experience this in some way, especially with cishet people. it’s frustrating noticing this all the time but never feeling like you can do anything about it, bc you’re doing all that you can do.
Easy: Don't assume.
wdym Enbys are “rare” to come by do you know how many trans individuals you come across in a day ??
@@dollphobicc1947 enby = nonbinary not trans
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I kind of wish they asked, “is it ok that some people have a hard time getting used to their gender identity since it may be new to some people?” Or something along those lines. When they said they hate getting misgendered, I don’t think they should be mad at the person but instead explain it bc most people grow up seeing feminine traits = female and vice versa. It’s not automatic for some people to ask first
i agree that people should understand that assumptions aren’t ill-intentions; however, in situations like mandy’s they are introducing themselves as nonbinary. if someone tells you how they identify then you’re no longer “assuming”, you’re simply going against the information you’ve been provided.
In Mandy's case this was reversed. They did well the first two times, after that they didn't try. I can imagine the nonchalance and not trying to be the more hurtfull part than the actually misgendering. (But I'm not trans so I don't really know, I'm assuming this..)
@@SlothDaan it can get frustrating to constantly be correcting people. for the majority, being accidentally misgendered is more uncomfortable than upsetting, but it’s also very easy to tell when someone puts absolutely no effort towards trying.
I’ll say that this video did’nt go that deep into everything, I’m sure they understand.
as a trans teen, it sucks and makes me angry but i have no anger or malice towards the people who do it. i understand the struggle of traits associated with gender and i admittedly have messed up pronouns myself lol. especially if they don't know in the first place then it's no big deal even though it stings and makes me sad, i just suck it up. getting used to the whole trans thing when you're cis is a hard process and i appreciate those who try more than i can say, because they are sadly a minority.
Not gonna lie this video seemed very generic, they didn't really ask any interesting questions, everyone agreed with eachother which would imply the questions weren't controversial enough, nobody is really debating with eachother, and just really wasn't all that fun to watch.
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Exactly. It's just 10 minutes of one huge echo chamber.
@Frog fr, as if trans discourse is a spectacle for others.
@@michace swoosh
@@kravan5063 Are you going to add something productive to the conversation or no?
wanted to repost what Baiko Jernigan said here in the comments: I suppose I would explain it like this you don't "feel" your gender unless something's wrong just as you won't "feel" yourself breathing unless your air passages are blocked or you won't "feel" yourself blinking unless you have a spot under your eyelid, you wouldn't "feel" your arm unless it was broken. Pain gives you a sense of awareness that you would have never realized or noticed otherwise, it's that extreme discomfort within your body that is dysphoria and can only be relieved when changes are made that heal it.
this is such a great explanation thanks for reposting
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@Dave Hanning okay great then you can understand how people can feel their gender is wrong
To be 100% genuine, the person who presents as non-binary looks totally feminine to me. I don’t think people aren’t using their preferred pronouns to be spiteful it’s just an incredibly hard concept for people to wrap their head around especially since it’s a new concept to most of the world
i agree with you on this
I just want to know how someone is expected to identify a nonbinary person when looks are based on a scale of female to male, even if you're trying to sit in the middle of that you're going to present one way more than the other.
yeah very obviously a girl. they say a nonbinary doesnt owe u androgyny,, ok then they shouldnt be surprised when people can clock whether they're male or female in 0.2 milliseconds
Hearing them lament how hard their life was, as they present as extremely feminine was frustrating.
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The last few moments where they all talked with eachother made me tear up because it seemed like the most genuine after show conversation I've ever seen on jubilee spectrum.
What’s crazy to me about these prompts are, as a trans adult who was a prepubescent trans child/teen, I would’ve totally agreed w these kids. As an adult however and with more knowledge on hormones and the natures of the human body, I actually don’t agree with most of what of they are saying
Yeah it’s almost like when ur a kid you think you know yourself 100% but then grow up and realize no, I don’t, now I can’t have kids oh no!
-Do you see yourself apart of the LGBT+ movement
-Is being transgender a mental illness
-Are transsexuals & transgenders the same practically
-Trans people inherently adhere to (Western) sex/gender roles
-Crossdressing is inherently trans experience.
-What is a transgender/transsexual
-Should the government legally changed your upon your completed transition
-Should trans people be allowed to compete with the opposite sex
-Do you think the LGBT+ movement is a safe space for Trans individuals
-Can you use your queerness to against/hunt people
-Do you agree with the rhetoric of "If you don't agree with me, you are wrong" in regards to the LGBT+ movement
I'm going to need more controversial questions like this, stop playing things safe. We don't watch these videos to get light hearted notions of what trans folk think. Also define a trans person, since you have a non-binary person here.
these questions are a whole lot better
exactly, I didnt bother watching these videos after skimming the questions
I strongly disagree. Trans people should not be this ‘controversial topic’ that keeps fuelling the culture war. They are simply just a normal part of life. End of.
@@Nooticus no
@@Julian-hy7tn yes
i think if you guys did like a part 2 of older spectrum videos with a new group of people, different questions, or a deeper dive or like an actual debate would be interesting. or like videos on older topics with more controversial questions
you’re so pretty
That body dysphoria empathy really hit when they talked about their gender dysphoria
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*Should've asked them if it's transphobic for cis people to not want to date trans people.*
_Obviously not_
that’s a buzz question for cis people to create hysteria around transgender issues. move around.
@@mekkavelli Still want to know what they think, because I've seen so many say that if you don't date them or find them sexually attractive that you're transphobic...which is ridiculous
@@Saiki_Jelly "So many" huh? Funny because I've seen considerably more trans people annoyed at that debate than they are annoyed thinking it's transphobic. It's common knowledge that you can date whoever you want.
@@fourthpanda Seems it's not common since it's a very common rhetoric seen. People go too far.
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makes zero sense to let a child make an adult decision as a child
I was looking for this comment
@@braidenbolling7118 there were so many contradictory things said in this video makes me question if they hear themselves half of the time
@@plaiqnum Fr, most of them say that under age kids should be able to decide whether they get surgery or not, then most of them also agree that they have came out more than once. Image being trans for a few months and getting surgery, only to realize you were just gay a year later. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Hrt yes. Surgery, no surgeon would
@@braidenbolling7118 They still have to see a therapist either way. Some babies are already getting altering surgeries at birth without their permission. These situations do add to the trans community.
I love Ivy her voice is so pretty!!! She seems like such I nice person and I’d love to be her friend.
Great episode!
But can you PLEEAAAAAASE get a mic for the person asking questions?
Bry standing on “agree” for should kids medically transition yet saying “I’ve gone back and forth between they/them and he/him since I was thirteen” is concerning
Pronouns don't always necessarily have to relate to gender identity, and not every trans person has the same experience.
Exactly. They all seem very confused about what they feel. Kids should not be able to medically transition, it can ruin their life
Cis people could also use they/them pronouns
ivy has such a calming aura she’s so cute
Everyone in this video is amazing, everyone seems so aligned and understanding. I admire a lot of people, but the ppl in this video are just top tier. No one was hateful or arrogant, I wish all of y’all the best 🫶🏽🫶🏽
Your simping is wierd.
@@petertrueteller8043 First of all, no one told you to read my comment. Let alone reply to it, second you are LITERALLY proving my point. People tend to be hateful for NO reason and you’re showing that. I’m not simping, and even if I was would you have such a problem with it if everyone in the video was straight/ cis??
This whole conversation is mind blowing to me.
Hey! Jubilee I watch all of your videos. so would like to recommend that the person asking the question use a microphone. Sometimes if i’m not looking at the screen I cannot hear the prompt/question!
Ivy has such a beautiful voice
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@deathstalker8851 ?
agreed, its so graceful!
fr
Personally I don't think teens should be allowed to transition. Cuz even trans adults end up detransitioning. Also comprehensive studies on how the hormones will affect children at that age in the long run aren't done yet.
Yup. Being trans has just become a trend nowadays to become more accepted in this “woke” era. If you do want to transition you should at least be an adult to be legally able to do that. Children can’t legally consent for a reason.
a very small percentage of people detransition. and even then its usually due to loved ones being unsupportive rather than them changing their minds.
@@chickpea734 100%, as far as I’m aware only a handful of people detransitioned be they felt otherwise. From what I see it seems to just be a lack of support or unsafe environments that causes people to detransition. There’s probably a better chance of being struck by lightning than detransitioning because you regret it.
I think changing pronouns
(As in, he/him, they/them, she/her and not the tree/treeself nonsense) should be allowed but hormones and surgery could wait til their 18
I agree there is already studies on how puberty blockers and getting on hormones will affect the child to the point of sterilization
Mandy is definitely one of those chronically Twitter people
how
not at all
ur chronically on twitter aren’t you?
She cray
I think she's quite pretty.
As agender growing up I never had problems with feeling disphoric but I was pretty rebelious
I was "Not acting like a girl" and only doing "feminine" stuff when I felt like it
as I'm typing I became a bit uncomfortable describing being "feminine"
I feel a lot better when I present more on masculine side but calling myself a boy felt wrong
And also I had SO MUCH JOY trolling people on omegle about my gender LIKE OMG
I would pretend to be a sentient lightbulb as a kid and was in such a giddy mood
At first I thought nothing of it but the more I think about it the more it seems like I was expressing my identity without knowing what it was
And I always got weirded out by my peers when they tried to act as girly as possible
And I started to feel somewhat uncomfortable when I discovered that I'm not cis but also sense joy in it
I understand you're figuring yourself out but also don't let society's hatred of femininity influence you into thinking femininity is something to be ashamed of
@@CCubes88 I'm not ashamed but I do understand your concern
I just like being me I guess
These people really understand each other well! This was a great video :)
but they dont understand themselves
Thats because they follow the same ideology.
i just realized how much i sound like a bot in this comment lmao
My heart goes to the beautiful people in this video and the trans folk watching this. You are valid and you are wonderfully made, inside and out.
If they're so wonderfully made, then why are they mutilating themselves to look like the opposite sex?
I think teens should be allowed to go through non permanent treatment/reversible, and I think permanent treatment should be reserved for when they turn 18 and beyond.
I think 16+ would make sense or permenant as long as they have an evaluation to make absolutely sure
for permanent*
I understand the desire for transitioning younger, but 18 is still so young, you have so much time.
If I haven't gotten testosterone treatment at 16, I wouldn't have made it until 18.
@@Grokford a lot of trans people, especially like teens, end up depressed because of the gender dysphoria that they get due to not being able to transition. We gotta have understanding for that. As a young transguy myself, I’ve lost the majority of my childhood to being stuck as someone I’m not, which isn’t really fun. It doesn’t matter if I’ll get to transition in the future when I’m like 20-30 if I’m still really sad now because I’m not allowed to. If doctors and psychiatrists and stuff approve of it, and they fully understand what they’re doing, a trans person under 18 should definitely be allowed to transition
I feel like ivy was born out of a flower garden or something, she's so pretty I love her vibe so much.
such an eyeopening video... respects yall r strong beautiful individuals
i feel bad for Mandy. they seem almost desperate for external validation and dont have a strong sense of self. everyone else was pretty dope imo
what is them twitter?
I loved this ❤️
But just reminded me how much people (younger people specifically)
use the word "like" as a filler word super frequently
I hope ivy is able to on hrt. She just seems so kind even if she is shy. She just seems like a kind and gentle spirit and someone I would love to have a conversation with.
Mandy is litteraly just a woman who doesnt feel special enough
trying to identify as something that was literally made up lmfao.
i don't like how it's forced down everyone's throat as well.
she just wants to be quirky and different and not like the other girls
I’m an enby teen, with the transitioning as a minor I would go to disagree because I’ve seen so many times others trans teens changing their genders a few times a month, im not saying that’s wrong in any way just if you don’t even clearly know who you are then it’s rly risky doing anything medical you may regret, but that’s just my opinion
Yeah, I can't even get a vasectomy unless if I'm at least 21 in my clinic and been undergoing a lot of counselling... Cross sex hormones literally makes you sterile, I think a lot of therapy must go first
YAY! Kana! So happy to see you in this!
what does he do? i recognise his face so much.
@@chickpea734 He was known for his musically and is now known for his tiktok/insta presence.
@@anthonyleonofficial omg yeah!! i remember now. i used to follow him on musically & insta back in the day haha. thanks
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out of the thousands of names to choose from and my guy landed on gibby
I want Chiropractors vs. Spine Surgeons
Chiros believe a lot of alternative/pseudoscientific things and it would be interesting
I feel like they could've chosen better questions, a lot of these I feel like everyone was pretty one sided on. A lot of the ppl they chose seem pretty far into their journeys which is great! I just wish we could've seen ppl in different stages of their journey. Plus, I feel like they referred to 'cis' as 'cisgender and straight.' when answering these questions.
Kana has such a nice vibe. Great guy. Awesome hair style also.
"As long as kids understand the long-term risks of transitioning, I think they should be allowed to medically transition." Kids cannot consent to - let alone understand - long-term risks. They think 5 years is "long term".
I agree. Children cannot consent. And the vast majority of trans youth can't even get surgery or hormones until they're 18 anyway because their parents wouldn't approve of it. That doesn't make their parents transphobic, that just means they don't want to be the ones to make such a huge decision for their child. The decision to transition is such an important and individual decision to make, not a decision that your parents should make for you.
exactly what i was thinking!
I think it'll depend on the maturity of the kid, how well can they understand. I don't think we should stablish an age. 18 just means they can do it despite what their parents think. I think it should be allowed, which doesn't mean they can do it without the proper financial and medical support. It should be possible, if they are deemed mature enough to understand and they know enough about the process
To know when they are mature enough or ar certain or ready, i believe should be studied and discussed especially among trana people that did the transition and don't regret it. I'm not trans, so i have no way of knowing when it'd be ok to do it. I can be proven wrong, but i believe kid should have a say and be taken seriously
@@laurabenevides7061 Kids can still be taken seriously while being made to wait until they turn 18. There are many things you can do to transition without the surgery, leading up to when you turn 18. In fact, many people don't ever get the surgery and they are very happy with their transition. There are parents out there who will coerce their child into being the opposite sex, because they always wanted a girl/boy, not what their child was born as. You can deny that this happens all you want, but it does indeed happen. Even if the cases are slim, well, so are the cases of trans youth getting the surgery. That's why I don't think the parents should have any say in such a thing. The child needs to have the final say, and in this country the only way to ensure that is to make them wait until they're 18 when they can sign off on their own surgeries and treatments. That's any child, for any surgery. Not just trans youth.
This video made me feel so warm inside. I feel support from all of them. They are such a beautiful young people
I think I would make an excellent candidate for a future episode for a different perspective 😊
I would really love to see "Do all intersex people think the same"❤. I just feel like this is not talked about as much and a lot of times completely ignored. Would be nice to see intersex people share their perspective.
I agree 💛💜
As I young trans dude, I really enjoyed watching this video and agree with basically everything in this video as well.
A little surprised they didn’t touch on they’re thoughts on sports at all
thank you this is beautiful and i’m so happy u guys gave us a plat form to talk ab this
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I don’t know if Gibby changes his/ their pronouns but sometimes it says “they/them” and sometimes it is “he/him”
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I’m assuming they go by he/they
"gurl this is not Hannah Montana" lol I love that
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Do a middle ground episode with Transgenders & Detranstioners.
I think it would be interesting to have the two groups hash things out.
Those two group don't oppose, Trans People do detransition from multiple reason, they still remain trans. Them detransitioning is not a call to have their transness erased.
Some trans people don't transition. It's really personal.
All trans people are worthy whatever their relationship towards transitioning is .
Now, if their are cis detransitioners, it's ok too.
Ivy is so adorable😭😭like she’s so sweet omg
Not bad. Could've been better. Feels like you guys are asking the safe questions.
It seems odd that Mandy goes to one of the most liberal colleges at Berkley and also seems to have the most issues with others, as a they/them. Something about their wording w/ every introduction, "I go by they/them, please respect my pronouns because if you don't then this isn't a safe space for me" is really off-putting, even to people who would respect Mandy if they weren't so adversarial.
Yeah. On the last question they were asked if life would be easier if they weren't trans, and Mandy was like "no because I'm a non white woman". Tbh, that made me think Mandy will always find a reason to be a victim. Always find a reason to be offended.
why is it off-putting? their just stating their pronouns, sure it comes off as strong but it’s to the point. no one would want to talk to someone who doesnt use the correct pronouns.
Jubilee, please make a middle ground episode about euthanasia. I think this would be an interesting topic to discuss.
^ Second this ^
People who died naturally vs People who were euthanized
What a beautiful and insightful video 🫶🏼
Before Adulthood? No. Absolutely not
cope seethe mald
Agreed, way too early and from my own personal experience it only leads to one thing
Jules...you will get your Prince Charming one day ❤️ some men do see you and the personality xo
he just wont tho, stop lying only a gay guy would wanna go with a trans women
mandy is very much a pick me let’s be real… like cmon
i saw 5 trans people and 1 person just confused and who craves attention tbh. those other kids actually probably experience gender dysphoria while mandy sounds like an exhausting friend to be around
facts, she 100% can not relate with the rest of the people in the video but tries to anyway
Not trying to be rude but is Mandy biologically a guy or a girl?
@@saiyanobe23g6Idk, but just so you know in the future a lot of trans people don't like that question
@@defnotlydiah she's allowed to ask that question, it's a pretty reasonable one to want to know.
why does jubilee cut so much of the video ;( i always see the participants say how they don’t include a lot of the stuff they talk about. do they really think we won’t watch if a video isn’t 10 mins? i’d watch an hour or more of this lol
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I really think for these types of episodes, people should somehow be able to choose their position without seeing where the others go. I feel like conformity bias is huuuge in these episodes.
The thing about transitioning at a young age is that you are still figuring yourself out, your brain isn't fully developed, and that leads to making decisions that they regret once they get older. Its a huge risk because it is permanent for life as far as taking hrt goes, and i know it'd be better to take hrt before puberty for future appearance, but I don't think that is justification.
as most of them said, being able to process and see what you're going through is an important part of it. it should never be taken lightly by trans people what HRT does to their bodies. for example, trans men get increased risk of strokes and baldness could start at just as low as 12 months of taking HRT.
@@kade9625testosterone just makes you have the exact same risks of baldness & strokes as a cis male would.
Transitioning before puberty is just clothes, hair, and name/pronouns. No one medically transitions before puberty, only socially. They are are all changeable. They can explore and figure out what feels best. Then there are blockers (at the time of puberty), which pause puberty and give young teens a chance to see if this is the best path for them. There is also a team of doctors who are helping guide parents and youth along the way. You have to remember that natal puberty is also "permanent for life." Once a person's hips or shoulders have widened, there isn't a surgery to fix it. Once a person's voice has dropped, it's extremely difficult to change it. Doctors *will not* prescribe HRT before Tanner Stage 2 (puberty stages). Then if HRT is introduced, they start at a low dose, to mimic a cis puberty. They can stop without much permanent change if it's not for them. It takes time for the voice to drop or breasts to grow. Most of the trans youth who I know who did change their mind were like Bry. Either they transitioned to non-binary and then changed to the more binary (AFAB) male or (AMAB) female. Or they transitioned to the opposite gender, but then changed to non-binary. Some come out as non-binary first, just to see if their family rejects them or not.
I agree and I wish more people would talk about other methods of socially transitioning in regards to kids. Voice training, targeted muscle building, tailored fashion, etc. are all great, reversible (besides cost ig) ways to aid in transition that I never see people mention in regards to kids. We need better trans healthcare for kids to make it all known and accessible!!
@@cum8604 yeah and for a female that is insanely transformative changes....
Not sure if this was intentional (because of fluidity etc) but Bry and Gibby both had their pronouns switch throughout the video. Just saying it bc I haven't seen it in the top few comments.
PS this made my heart feel so full and i could genuinely cry because seeing a group of trans people together is such a rare privilege where I live and i only hope that one day life will be like this every day, surrounded with open conversation and understanding.
yes i was confused lol
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Are you implying that they could have changed genders part way through the video? Surely that's not real
@@ironheade22 Respectfully, genderfluidity is a real thing that has existed through out ancient history. multiple genders have existed for a similar amount of time as well. it is possible that this change in pronouns was intentional, but that's not for me to say because i am not the two people this applies to. the history of gender identity is really different from the one we are taught (or not taught) in traditional schooling, so i suggest you read up on some of it. its very fun to read about too. also, another fun fact, the singular 'they' we use today for non binary people has been used in English since 1375 (according to the oxford english dictionary).
Apparently it was because the editors got it wrong lol
at the end of the video you should allow the participants to suggest a prompt too
I guess Mandy thinks they're the most important person in the world. Teachers may not remember you at all and you expect them to remember your pronouns when you look just like a tomboy.
I mean, if my friend was non-binary and wanted me to use they/they pronouns then sure I will try to remember that, but if it's just a random person I barely know... welp, honestly I may even forget your name let alone pronouns LOL.
i get that, but if you go by they them, it gets pretty tiring to keep being misgendered..
@@inktob But if you very clearly present as female, which Mandy does, it can be understandable that confusion would come up more often.
she's mad people on the street just sees her as a random teen girl...which is what she looks like
Exactly 💯
I've been following Kana on social media since late 2016 and I've been there to see him grow into his own identity and into the beautiful human being they are today. I am genuinely so so proud of him for never giving up
Yall are amazing, proud of each and every one of you!
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I just don't get how you support the prompt of "allowing medical transition before adulthood", when you've come out more than once?? What if you realize you are not it anymore and wish to go back and in this case there's no going back?? Also I don't get it when ya'll say I'm a woman but fail to define what exactly "a woman" is. Honestly, with all this said, I'd love to see adult trans people participate in this prompt rather than teenagers.
Going back would mean stopping hormones, and in the worst cases, needing one surgery. But did you know only 1% of people stop transitioning and of that 1% less than 10% do so because they realised they weren't trans?
A woman is someone who identifies as a woman, easy. Also I don't get how transitioning is apparently such a big deal to ya'll but have no problem with someone having a nosejob which they might regret later? If someone wants to transition that's their own thing, why would you care about that? I also see no problem in asking teens these questions, they seem rather educated.
@@stulvus 🤡🤡🤡
@@akulakaboom I didn't want your face reveal, but thanks
Wow Ivy and Jules are so pretty!
You should do this topic with children aged 7 to 10, then did it again with the same people 5 years later and 10 years later. Would be extremely interesting to follow a group of trans and non binary children and see how they develop, how many of them still think the same way etc.
this is definitely one o fthe most interesting prompts for a video !!
Yea definitely dont do that. Why would we want kids to talk about This? Just let them be kids
@@kc_h7h trans kids are kids. Do they not deserve the same as any other children? I knew I was trans when I was four, and I came out at thirteen after struggling with it for years. I've been happily living as myself for five years. Trans kids are kids. Let them be.
@@kc_h7h agreed
The medical community is coming to realize that when trans youth can start puberty around the same time as their cis peers, then they are happier and experience much less dysphoria. Not going through the wrong puberty is so important.
Though to transition young you should go through a lot of therapy that won’t just automatically assume you’re trans from the get go. Most detransitioners transitioned as teenagers and wish that it was harder for them to medically transition or someone doubted them.
Thanks for the video.
As a trans teen it is quite comforting to see more trans teens
🫠 I feel that on so many levels 😪 Knowing others don’t see you the same as you see yourself. And being misgendered when not present/in front of you cause people who have known you for months and months still have mess ups 🙃
cant really blame them if you present so feminine
@Frog yeah if they’re purposely being an arse but i mean first impressions
Tbh I thought this would've been more of a clusterfuck but it was chill
jules is so well-spoken
I get the question about would my life be easier if I was trans but it also makes my skin crawl a bit. It really seems to be equating being trans with suffering or hardship. I don't think any of the subjects were making that implication at all but the way the question is framed points to transness as the reason for most of the hardship and not societal transphobia
I lowkey feel like they are teenagers and feel like it’s best to transition befor adulthood but don’t really know because they haven’t been through that cause there are people that regret ever doing it
As a trans person, I can relate to literally almost everything they say. Also I hope ivy gets hrt soon, she seems so nice
does anyone else notice that at 3.29 it introduced Bry as they/them, then at 6:09 it introduced Bry as he/him
she just changed her identity during recording of the video. what do you not understand you transphobe
TRIGGGGEEERRRED
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It's because Bry uses both they/them and he/him pronouns - it says it on their Instagram page
I learned no new points of views with this video. Everything just seemed to be very generic and even though their experiences are genuine it’s not very different to what’s being said in social medias.
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what did you expect? they asked the most generic questions. most trans people experience the same invalidation and dysphoria as other trans folk. it’s literally a symptom of transgenderism.
why are you expecting a bunch of teens to provide you points of views that are different from social media? go read a book
Mandy could’ve read the room a bit better as someone who isnt visibly trans-presenting
What did they do wrong?? 💀
What did they do?
@@RayFlemming7080 @A k a z i e n o e l They are clearly cis female presenting (or at least put no effort into looking non-binary) and to drone on and on about their turmoil's makes them look silly and minimizes the real struggles the other people in the room went/are going through. This is the equivalent of telling a rich friend that your parents kicked you out at 18 with no support and your rich friend telling you about how hard it was that their parents only payed their rent and car payments and they had to buy their own food. Mandy just sees like they want to be a victim like stop lol
Just say that you don’t understand and move on.
@@michace What part of this do you think I'm confused about? I couldn't live with myself If I had that mentality, how superficial.
So one of the teens wasn't and still isn't sure about the gender they identify as but "agrees" kids should be able to medically transition? Also, the only person whose pronouns are not respected is the one that presents entirely as a woman. Almost as if pronouns are not some arbitrry thing you can impose on others but rather an intuitive thing.
OF COURSE THEY THINK YOU SHOULD MEDICALLY TRANSITION. THEY ARE KIDS. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE RISTRICTIONS OF THESE THINGS
Wut
Totally. Obvious.
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something as permanent as surgery definitely needs to be 18+, but if doctors have approved puberty blockers then a few years before adulthood they should be able to be psychologically reevaluated and have the option of starting hormones
These comments are really disappointing. It just goes to show how easy it is to spread misinformation about trans people; it's such a foreign concept to most that they'll readily believe any lies non-trans people will perpetuate, and nobody even asks us. I did like this video, though. (I think maybe people forget that teenagers aren't always able to easily communicate their thoughts, and that's why they think the replies aren't genuine.)
Nah, mate. You wish it was true, but for many of us actively listening to trans people and researching gender dysphoria was what lead us to be less and less accepting of the mainstream trans ideology.
@@ncjxbshj I mean this in the politest way possible, but as a trans person I'm not
gonna listen to someone who isn't talk about how informed they are about people like me, and why we're wrong about ourselves. I understand why you don't understand it; truly, I don't see why you would, but it's not my problem if you decide that it's appropriate to form opinions on people who are different based on what you previously already thought was normal.
@@finh5731 TL;DR we listen to YOU. But just bc we listen doesn't mean we have to agree. That's just how the world works.
@@ncjxbshj listening is different to conversing. You can pick and choose who you listen to, and you don't have to talk with the people in question. Actually conversing and interacting with trans people is an entirely different matter. Just because you choose to only listen to the extremists, without actually knowing a single trans person your friends with and who you can speak to, does not mean you're opinions are unbiased. I've never met a transphobe who personally knew of a trans person or had any sort of friendship with one. Many stay in bubbles online with other transphobic people, and hardly ever reach out to have conversations with trans people. All the trans people I know will often try to converse with transphobic people, but are often turned down or are simply ignored and insulted. Transphobes don't seem that interested in actually conversing, no matter how much they may claim to "listen".
@@ncjxbshj Nah, what I mean is that people misinterpret a lot of the things trans people say, because they don't really understand. (Which is fine, I get it.) the problem arises when they refuse to correct those misinterpretations.
Wow the future looks very promising
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👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿love the discourse! These discussion need to be normalized.
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