I’m a biological female, growing up as a little girl my biggest fear was getting my period and growing breasts. I cannot express in words just how much my changing body affected me mentally, emotionally, and physically. I grew up so disconnected with my body and hated being a girl. I kept this to myself (I grew up in the late 80s and early 90s). I grew out of this stage by age 16 and have never questioned my gender. It really makes me wonder about these children and the permanent life decisions they are being allowed to make.
@@reapthewhirlwind4166 Same. I really hated puberty. it was so confusing and uncomfortable for me. I remember viewing it as the worse time in my life. I was also always a Tomboy and even now I still work in a primarily male dominated (90%+) field. That being said I'm very happy to be a woman. I'm happy I have the ability to have children unlike these kids who are being sterilized.
I think it's child abuse, and needs to stop. So many adults, and now some schools are being plain evil and trying to hide what they are doing from parents. They obviously don't really care about the children's best interests. Very bad. Concerned parents need to stop this.
I agree with you. Everyone is terrified of puberty! That doesn’t mean you need to medically modify childrens bodies based upon how they feel in their head.
This doc is from 2015, so just PBS dredging up old topics. I'm also surprised comments being left on, as this seems like a topic where people have extreme opinions either way.
The comment moderator is OBVIOUSLY deleting any comment that disagrees!! Pathetic POS! I only typed a 2nd comment saying i am going to flag this video.. it was deleted. Loser Admins, confirmed nazees
What are you expecting? Lol. You can google. I've found them all on Instagram. I came out as trans in 1984 at 5 years old and lived on the streets from 13-21 giving myself hormones. Anyway rarely have I seen people say that got it wrong. It does happen but that's rare. It's hard for you to understand if it's not your experience
@loveisthekey7 it is NOT rare but the trans community throws detransitioner away when they no longer align. Your were 5 and your parents FAILED YOU. Fear GOD
I was just thinking the same. The government was the first one to push this travesty on our children. I know of instances where they took kids away from their home because they were labeled "abusive" for saying "no" to their young children's request to transition. Some are still fighting to get them back. It's terrible......
Frontline, PLEASE do a follow up to this - as this was produced in 2015 - It would be great and helpful to see where these kids are at today. I think that would be so helpful to the younger generation and parents - to help guide them on this topic.
@@ابراهيم_محمد_الازهر Wow, thank you for your reply. You seem to be extremely interested in actual discourse, which you made clear by your objectively incorrect statement. If you have anything else of remote worth to add, be my guest. We wouldn't want you being a complete waste of biomass after all.
On a small but significant note, it's sad that the one boy is teaching the other boy that if you like a girl, show no emotion and act like you don't like her. First of all, this sets up a terribly dynamic for girls where they go anxious b/c the boys are being avoidant, and also it teaches boys that they shouldn't show emotion or care.
Yeah, that bothered me as well and I thought it weird that they said she's still learning to be a boy but getting there. That one more than the others did not seem truly male but a girl trying to be male. I see this one as a phase she's going through and will eventually regret her decision. She still seemed like a girl to me that just wants to hang out with the guys.
I'm so glad you said that! On top of all that, he said that boys don't hold in their burps, but girls do. Plenty of males hold in burps because that's just plain manners. It's like the actual boys themselves weren't even mature enough to know how to explain what it meant to be a true boy, so how could "Alex" have any idea at her age?
letting your kid express themselves? awesome. letting them get medical changes at a young age? i’m sorry but that’s messed up. people need to realize how serious of a decision it is to medically transition. it’s something you need to be 1000% sure about, otherwise there will be consequences. nobody fully knows who they are at 8 years old Edit 2 years later because common sense is still gone apparently. Minors. Can't. Give. Consent. At the the time of writing this I identified as a trans guy, I was SO convinced of it for 3 years. Now, imagine where I would be rn if my parents let me go on testosterone and make other life-altering decisions. Pretty shitty situation, right? And guess what, it's irreversible. I am NOT saying trans kids don't exist. I am NOT saying what they're feeling isn't real. All I'm saying is they are better off waiting until they're an adult over literally ruining their life.
But education about the matter has to start young so they can have the proper perspective of where they can fit into society. The surgery should have to wait until 18 for sure, maybe with two or three free therapist sessions to make sure the body dysmorphia is truly from the issue that the surgery will resolve and not some manifestation of other issues you know, proper healthcare haha
@@ghostnoodle9721 Planting garbage only leads to thinking garbage. You obviously are quite confused about how this works. No young child should even have to consider or think about this. Why do you think people go to college when they graduate? They want to learn more get a profession. They are of the age to do so. No a young child should not have to even consider it in grade school. It is sad that you think this is funny.
Thank you!!! This shouldn’t happen at all! But to add insult to injury,the children are allowed to transition at such a young age? I thought I liked girls when I was young. I use to tell my mom that 😂 she didn’t say “ok come on let’s you hormones because I can see you like girls” wtf I don’t think this has to do with religion anything like that. But allow them to make those changes when they are out of your home, and especially fully developed. Personally I will never allow this.
When I was a kid i wanted badly to be a boy. It was miserable being a girl. I didn’t understand why I was different. If I was given the option to transition I would have taken it at that age. Now in my 30s having had my own opportunity to choose how I want to live my life, I am glad that I am female. I still dress and act masculine but I am me and I am comfortable in my body. I am glad no one tried to tell me I could change my sex when I was way to young to comprehend the lifelong implications of this kind of treatment.
Well im glad youre happy with your life ,but you also need to understand that it's your story ,not everyone else's. Many people transition as kids and dont regret it,other kids dont get the opportunity and are so devastated they kill themselves. Please dont generalize personal experiences
@@graysongirl6403 And what about the ones who transition as kids and DO regret it? The point is that kids minds are completely different then adults minds. Children shouldn’t be able to make such a life changing choice like this because it’s a likely possibility they’ll grow out of it.
@@legalza0843 there is literally no life changing decision that children can make. The most they can do before the age of 18 is that they can take puberty blockers, which are fully reversible. And even after they are 18, it takes a lot of gender therapy and medical examinations for a person to get cleared for surgeries. You’re not just “given” the option to medically transition as a child. The only thing you can do is social transition and puberty blockers, both are completely reversible.
I want the kid who doesn't want "big hairy legs and big muscles" to know that being a woman doesn't necessarily change that. As a woman (assigned female at birth) I had harrier legs growing up than most of the boys in my class, and I got teased a lot. I still get comments about facial hair and have gotten asked if I'm trans. I reply, "Nope, I'm just Italian" lol. If it bothers others, too bad. If it bothers me, I can just shave or wax. Most people, whether they're male or female, have hair! I understand that some people do not have hair. My point is that biological sex may determine the amount of hair, but not the presence/absence of body hair completely. Also, big muscles don't just magically appear. Some people build muscle faster because of genetics, but you don't bulk up by just existing. It's a combination of exercise and diet. I know that kid will likely never read this, but it's frustrating that people are taught that women are hairless and if they're not, something is wrong. The same goes for muscles on men. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just wanted to share my thoughts with hopes of a positive outcome and bring some normalcy to body hair :)
Too funny. I too had a lot of hair on my legs, took after my dad. Just a Latina with hair. It all falls off as you age wether you are male or female, lol…I have the smoothest legs now at 70. It does t matter as you said. I chose to epilady.
@@cristinam5899 As a white girl, I always get more hair on my right leg than my left for some reason. Given, I was the one who always shaved when needed esp. during the summer time. I do not shave 100% of the time either and sorry if tmi, but sometimes I let my pits look like a dude's and my mom says: "What are you, French?"-I do know this varies from person to person that live France. Idk if it's still true or not, but I've heard that French people don't shave. Given, I do not know a lot of the French language, I'm surprised I remembered more than what I thought I had when going on Duolingo a while back. My best friend at the time encouraged me to take French, but even without her, I think I still would have taken it. As I'm reviewing some ancestry stuff, I know my dad's side is German, my mom's side is English, but I think her side is a little French here and there. So it wouldn't surprise if her side of the family is part French.
You were not "assigned" anything. The doctor recognized that you had normal female genitalia. By normal, i mean you didn't have the genetic intersex defect anomoly
Um, has anyone else noticed how financially privileged these people are and the fact that they seem extremely fixated on gender stereotypes. Just because ur a girl doesn’t mean that u can’t be strong or into sports or a boy and still like princesses.
although half of the time that sort of stuff causes gender dysphoria. i'm a trans guy turning 15 and i'm known i was a male since i was 8. i started socially transitioning last year (no surgery, just am called by a new name and pronouns and dress differently). i personally stay away from stereotypical female things. literally i love sailor moon and it makes me doubt myself and my identity..it just proves how hard this sorta stuff is. it's so hard to try to like things assigned with your birth gender because it can bring back trauma and stuff like that.
@@elijah6496 you are completely valid in those feelings. I’m sorry it gave you more dysphoria. For me, once I started transition )and came to terms with my sexuality), I was able to express my more feminine interests without a breakdown later. It gave me a lot of strength and reassurance that I could both be a guy and have feminine interests. It didn’t make me less of a guy, and that made me really happy.
@@elijah6496 you're going at it in the wrong way, who cares? Who cares whatever you like? Why do think the stuff you like dictate your identity? There is no such thing as something made entirely for boys or for girls, people don't fit into boxes, if you like sailor moon but want to be a guy, go for it, this shouldn't change who you are. I don't know if you ever heard of bronies, they are adult males who are heavily into my little poney and most of them still see themselves are guys. You are fixated on things that are irrelevant, start living for yourself and stop caring about perceived notions.
@@elijah6496 Don't let it get you down milk, and like Zakurn said always be yourself and don't be ashamed of the things that you enjoy because they are a part of you. Those worries are more about being fifteen years old and fitting in than they are about being trans. Fifty three years ago I was a fifteen year old boy too, and was ashamed to let my friends know that I liked Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass because everyone, my self included, liked the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Doors, etc... I thought that if they ever found out how much I really liked someone who our parents might listen to, then I'd be ridiculed by my friends. Looking back I seriously doubt that they would have cared, since they liked me, but I lacked confidence in myself so I kept that pretty much hidden. :-) You are very fortunate to have been born with loving, understanding, and encouraging parents who only want the best for you. You have the opportunity to live your whole life as who you really are. So don't get depressed over the minor worries that are natural at your stage in life. Just continue being the wonderful boy that you are, and look forward to the not so distant future when when you will have grown into being a fine man. Keep the faith! :-)
I worry that we are teaching children that not fitting binary defined roles means they are transgender. We're going to have a lot of people who grow up being told vastly conflicting things about their core gender identity. Of course, this really isn't much of a problem until hormones and surgeries which are irreversible come into play. It's a very fine line between being supportive of those who need it and pushing those who shouldn't into doing it because it's the accepted norm or trend. Extreme gray zone here, I don't see any perfect outcome really.
Yep. One of my kids was The Hulk for about a year. I liked boy clothes, and boy toys, and boy activities too. If "gender" is "just" a social construct, then the toys, clothes, etc., are all social constructs, too, and NOT about gender. And these parents who let their kids think this is normal without getting real help is abusive as hell.
Agree. The issue I have is the emotional effect it will have when they are older. Almost every one of my transgender friends say they have a completely different outlook and emotional issue now that they are older. IMO these decisions are not based on love but wanting to be accepted by their child. The lesser of two evils!!! An adult has to make decisions based upon right and wrong. If they feel this way after 21, let them do it. These kids needed counseling. There is a choice. There is no easy answer either way. I did notice these kids were more emotionally sensitive. To me, this is very alarming... I don’t understand how the parents can seriously think making these decisions based upon a child’s feelings will be great for their future. Kids are NOT adults. Why are they conversing with their children about altering their physical being at such young ages? Kids change constantly. Seriously? Talking to a 13 yr old about having a baby?? I’m sorry but I don’t agree with giving a 13yr old that much control. Otherwise we’d be letting our kids do whatever they want. If that’s so... get a job, get married, have babies and raise a family! Sorry but I don’t agree with transgender at such young ages. It’ll ruin their physical, emotional and mental state if they grow up and don’t want it anymore. Unbelievable. I do respect the kids in this video and wish them well, I just don’t agree with any of these parents. To me this is being afraid to say No to a child. 😒😞I’d rather let my child be a cross dresser until they are old enough to make a decision. Btw I have a friend who was thankful he never changed. He’s married and had a family. He goes out as a woman during the day and night and he lives a very happy life!!! He’s a great person!
I live I Washington state and our governor passed legislation a minor, as young as 13, can use their parents insurance for gender reassignment, without the parents consent. This sends a clear message of ignorance of what happens during puberty. Who didn't feel embarrassed in Jr high taking gym? Who hated how they looked, it doesn't mean yiu want to be a different sex. So appalled by this. These surgeries need extreme psychological support and counseling.
@@tinaharnack3704 Re the gov of WA signing a law allowing 13 y/os to medically transition w/o parental knowledge on parents insurance proves that *this is, indeed, a disturbing universe.*
I had what is considered “gender dysphoria (spelled “dysphoria wrong and fixed it)” growing up. I dressed up as a girl when I was little, played with Barbie’s, and even had sexual fantasies of being a girl. However, like many other thoughts and actions I was a CHILD. I thought random, stupid, and even awful things. Kids have never been given this much freedom and for good reason. If we let kids make decisions every kids hands would be burnt from touching their stove. Why are we all of a sudden treating kids like they understand themselves when we know they understand very little. Adult humans are dumb enough when they’re old enough to make decisions let’s at least protect children during their nieve years. Coming from an adult who is grateful that he grew up with rules, structure, and being told no. Also the numbers of kids struggling with this is skyrocketing because it’s being talked about and displayed. A lot of my feelings were due to exposure to pornography which is also skyrocketing for adolescents. I don’t come to judge. I’m coming as someone who can even relate to this stuff. However many are claiming love and support but don’t realize they are lacking so much structure their love and support will destroy the child. Children will not do well with overbearing religious parents but they also won’t do well with Yes whatever you want parents.
Amen! It is nothing less than child abuse. These people that indoctrinate or take normal children's Behavior as choosing to be a different gender because they chose for a while to do things or to wear things that are of the opposite sex. That doesn't mean anything. I was a girl that did the same thing. I like to wear boys clothes instead of dresses. But when I grew up, I was a woman and I couldn't be more grateful to be a woman from A to Z. Just the way God Made Me!
My exact thoughts because it's all plastered on so many social media sites that they watch it like it's the new trend. Not saying some kids aren't legitimate but still there a child. If they can't consent to having sex then how can they consent to changing there sex?!?! My son came out as gay at 7 years old and all I worry about is his safety with all the ignorance left in this world but he is 12 now and if he were to tell me he's Trans then I would tell him wait till your 18 so you cam make that choice and explain why as well as I still love him and support him no matter what but it's to dangerous to make changes this early in life.
Some kids could be actually gay. Much of the gay community is against switching a barbie, dresses boy into a girl. Many say a sex change would have been devastating.
Where are they now? Daniel is an activist, just graduated HS. Ariel is a Calvin Klein Runway model. Kyle and John are still in HS, doing better than ever.
Personally I consider myself quite conservative, but John’s father at the end is wildly selfish. I can’t believe what I just listened to… what a shameful man.
Meanwhile the comments be full of idiots who just blindly assume they all must regret transitioning now. They'll keep moving the goalposts. "When they're in their 80s they're gonna regret it, TRUST ME"
I agree. I was the biggest Tom boy. I hated dresses. I dressed like a boy. I wore a baseball hat (very rare for girls then). I behaved more like a boy. I had my hair cut very short like the boys. But I wasn't a boy. I was a girl who enjoyed boy things. And that's okay!! It's highly sexist to be told those things are for boys only & that if we want to do them we're born in the wrong body & we need to transition into being a boy. It's 2023. It's okay to be yourself whatever that means. Nobody is born in the wrong body, that's impossible. But for minors surgeries & hormones are just experiments. Soon patients will be suing their doctors & their parents.
I would probably make the same choice regarding my appendectomy. Making that choice in the company of a doctor and a parent probably helped, but some might say my parents pushed me into it.
Choices I would keep that I made at or before 16: - Coming out at trans - Telling people my name and pronouns - Competing on an all female cheer team bc legally we couldn’t be co Ed but I loved the sport - using the restrooms that aligned with my heart and my brain - speaking to every teacher and multiple school officials about what I would my name was and why it was different - going to a hospitalization program for my anxiety and suicidal thoughts - ignoring my parents who told me it was ‘just a phase’ - choosing to not post on SM like everyone else my age
Notice that most of the kids in this documentary come from well-off families. I know three of the kids in this film personally. I really wish health insurance would cover this care.
I find it really interesting and yet not very surprising that these kids all come from clearly affluent wealthy families and I wonder how much that influenced them into taking this route at such an early age. I'm definitely not suggesting that there aren't trans kids from poorer families. But nonetheless I don't think it can be ignored that there's a higher incidence of people from wealthy backgrounds coming out and turning to medical intervention while still children.
growing up i was ALWAYS a tomboy, always loved “boy” stuff and hated dresses (still do) never wore heels (still don’t) makeup and beauty stuff disgusted me, literally wanted to be “wild” but literally kids can act like “tomboys” and not be trans ect. as a kid i wanted to be a boy and was petrified of puberty… now that i’m 23, i thank GOD my parents didnt facilitate it because i am a woman and always will be and just because i like getting dirty, the outdoors, hanging with guys, chillin with animals over people, more guy stuff ect. doesn’t mean i’m a male, i’m 100000% female, and always have been 🤷🏽♀️
Omg someone finally Said it.....the world gone mad.....where children rule their parents ......parents no longer are raising children......sad ....really sad
@@argusfleibeit1165 Maybe that's what YOU should know since you ARE different from most people, apparently, as is @Ivy.Huesmann. As is most everyone on this planet. Something else you should realize is that just because you are different does not mean that other people have an OBLIGATION to accept you so I'm just wondering where the condescending comment to her came from, because she was rather transparent. YOU, on the other hand should know that not everyone cares that what YOU want to have be true, but just ISN'T, IS NOT important in the big scheme of things to most people so it's best to get over THAT now.
@@KaliKush-jc9yl She's transparent that she thinks everybody with a gender dysphoria should just be a tomboy or a, what? "Sissy-girl"? Extreme gender dysphoria is very rare, but there have always been people like that. Many times in the past they just would commit suicide, so they wouldn't have to "bother" straight people with their existence. Backlash against trans people is inhumane, and they are pushing laws that take human rights away. They are real whether anyone likes it or not. And it's not harming anyone to try to support their right to live publicly.
Transgenders are being pushed to be made in the image of the Baphomet, i.e. Satan: “It is from the Cabala that modern Witchcraft and the Secret Societies say they draw many of their crafts. Like Witchcraft, the Cabala teaches that man is a microcosm (miniature universe), and has both male and female elements in the Godhead [here is the Satanic and demonic origin of transgenderism]. The female element of the Godhead is found in one of the ten emanations (Sefiroth). The Shekhinah, they say, is the female element because it is the passive aspect to the Deity, the manifestation of the divine power which vitalizes all creation.” -The New Age and the Illuminati by William Josiah Sutton, page 36
What worries me is when these kids said the internet is the best place to figure out these issues... it may be, but that’s a slippery slope and even adults have a hard time figuring out what’s real and what’s bullshit.
People who go through gender reassignment understand it is a lengthy process that often involves medical evaluations and serious discussions with doctors and mental health professionals to help further clarify and understand what a child is experiencing and if it corresponds to being transgender. It is not something decided on a whim.
There are lots of videos, a woman but n her very early 20’s, regrets it and showed the scars where she had her bests removed. She said the pressure in school to be gay or trans is probably why she did it. Teachers really pushed it. Felt very bad for her. Many more stories on You Tube.
Nancy, it's interesting that you say "it's more common than you think." It's not about what you and I think; it's about knowing the facts. Currently, the facts show about an average of 3% end up detransitioning which means it works correctly for 97%. If you watched the movie, these decisions aren't taken lightly at all. And a 97% rate of "success" is rare in any life-changing event. Don't let fears get in the way.
@@ricardobarreraacordeon There's a very scary reality that the majority of the population seems to be ignoring and that's the influence from the media, tv, and music industry. Miley cyrus ran around for a long time claiming she was pansexual or bi or something, then she turns around and marries a male from old money. These children grew up with miley cyrus and will immitate her behavior. Train up a child in the way he should go, now we let children tell us what to do. Seems to be a whole lot of wrong happening these days. And very few people see it.
@@ricardobarreraacordeon all they do sit on the internet, they don't ride bikes, they're not allowed to have small jobs like delivering papers, or bagging groceries, but we let them decide their abortion rights, and life altering hormonal treatments while we don't allow them to get their ears pierced. It makes absolutely zero sense.
Child abuse. More and more clinicians have identified severe problems within gender medicine which coalesce around the clinical and cultural invention of ‘the transgender child’. These problems are: an excessively affirmative attitude to the self-identifying transgender child; an inability to stand up to external trans lobby groups; the undermining of a coherent clinical model of child and adolescent development; and serious ethical and safeguarding issues. Clinicians recognize they need to resist the dominant narrative and seemingly intractable ‘truth’ of ‘the transgender child’. People are waking up to the harms of trans for children and young people, but transgender ideology is still marching into schools disguised as LGBT acceptance. Kids with perfectly normal unease or confusion about bodies and gender are getting dragged onto the transgender conveyor belt of affirmation, blockers, cross hormones, and surgery. LGB kids are passé. Transactivism is a form of bullying: if you’re not porn-culture straight, a proper ‘boy’s boy’ or ‘girly girl’, you must be defective, in need of fixing, by reclassification, drugs or a scalpel. My head is full of questions about why we are allowing this to happen. Is the explosion in the number of transgender-identifying young people a symptom of a society leaving little room for kids to be themselves outside of increasingly restrictive gender roles? How can we keep the conversation going to keep kids safe? The goal of the transgender activists is to try and get their numbers up in order to normalize their agenda. They care nothing about seeing people reach a healthy view of their biology and not needing to take drugs and have their genitals and breasts mutilated. Impressionable teens make easy targets. They are even unethically influencing autistic children to change genders. Activists would have the public believe that anyone who expresses a wish to be the other gender should be allowed and encouraged to do so. To date, however, there is no evidence that there is such a thing as a “true” trans, just as there is no marker that would identify a “false” trans. To accept the thinking and wishes of those with ASD at face value, without understanding why they feel the way they do, is not a kindness, and may in fact be extremely damaging. A high proportion of people who suffer from gender identity disorder also suffer from other mental health conditions like depression, anxiety, substance abuse, self-harm, suicidal thoughts, personality disorders and autism (see also here and here). In many of them these problems do not resolve with gender reassignment. In fact hormones and surgery deal only very superficially with what is often a very deep psychosocial problem that doesn’t lend itself to quick technological fixes.
The father that questioned the safety of hormone treatment breaks my heart. He just wants his child to be as safe and healthy as possible and he's right to question. Changing your body in this way isn't a magic cure to all of your problems. Puberty is a very uncomfortable and vital part of growing up.
He also cares about his child's soul. Not to be insensitive bc that child seemed like one w the fiercest of convictions. I mean NO disrespect, bc I sincerely have compassion. But this is a very secular movement. My heart completely breaks for that man. But this is the stuff of Baal and Baphomet. there have always been masculine gitls.women. But God made her a female. On a religious level this is a severe abomination. I know this is considered highly offensive on the secular level, but these a re 2 different paradigms. "THY kingdom come, THY will be done. NOT ours. We can't ignore biblical teaching and the dogma of the faith when it comes to these things bc the day WILL come when we have to account before God. And that father is the only one that I saw that really seemed concerned by that. Tough situation, and my heart goes out to them all.
@@finallythere100 Good thing god doesn't exist. John's father is the only one in the entire documentary that I think is simply wrong. He's taking that stance out of his own selfish conviction, and is making a decision about his son because of how it makes himself as a father feel, not because of how his son, John feels.
@@lunluxlum8167 I "appreciate" that you "think" you're helping by virtue signaling. BUT it seems like you missed my point entirely. I was being quite positive and I had a good point about female to male transgender stories are rarely covered in the media other than the murder of Brandon Tina. And umm helloo if I didn't make this specific distinction, how would it be known what I mean?? And.. How do you know who and what I am? Please be careful with your assumptions and use of terminology as well. Not only that, but you come across as extremely condescending. It doesn't help at all. I think you picked the wrong comment to virtue signal to. There are plenty of transphobic comments here. Please start with them, not mine.
It’s interesting that there are more female to male transitions coming forward...most of them do pass as male...sad thing about male to female transition is that some of them really should not have gone through with it...some just look like cross- dressing guys and then of course their are the really really good looking trans woman that has class and style and they pass as female
@@lunluxlum8167 im an ftm guy and i dont give a shit lol but you do you. the original commenter isnt misgendering or being disrespectful theyre being positive and polite lol. i dont speak for all trans people so im not saying im correct and youre wrong but you dont speak for all trans people either so dont correct where there isnt a need for correction, that just makes it harder to correct someone when its actually needed
In the 90s, my sis wanted to be called Josh for more than a year, liked to dress like a boy, and would have been considered trans today. She very well could have medically transitioned. Today she is happy as a queer woman. It seems scary to have such a young person make a physically destructive decision.
I understand the scariness for kids to make such a destructive decision like you said. I actually admired the dad for having high hopes of his daughter "Giana," to come back to being a girl. Honestly, I understand that very well, except transitioning will never ever fix every single emotion one has inside themselves. So it sounds like John already had thoughts of suicide as girl before transitioning, but refused to talk to his parents about what he felt and was going through during that time. What was causing Giana's thoughts of suicide before they decided to transition? Wasn't she the one who asked their mom to take them to a hospital late at night or something like that? Idk if his mom did that or not, but if he was taken to a mental hospital, I think they would still have their daughter, Giana. I 100% understand about the child's happiness in all, but what about the parents' happiness? John's father consistently refusing before relenting was 100% out of tough love that not everyone understands including teens the way they should. Honestly, I don't understand why his mom didn't think it wasn't love in what his father was doing. Most kids/teens now don't understand the damage the treatments/blockers/surgery can have on them the way they should be able to understand it in. They also need to understand that transitioning will never fix their emotions the way think it will. It will not completely get rid of those suicidal thoughts-those won't disappear for good. Those thoughts can go away for a short time, but those same thoughts make their way back over time. Either way, I hope everyone in this video is hopefully doing okay 2 years later since this video was 2 yrs. ago.
@@cicicave1279Hi, just wanted to offer some thoughts. I transitioned as a teen. Before this, I was highly suicidal. Since I transitioned I was never suicidal again. It has been almost 10 years and I’ve never wanted to die since, not even close to the kind of depression I used to experience. You are correct, transitioning will not solve someone’s problems. But it can solve many for many of us. It is important to go in with a healthy mindset of what transition will and will not do. I don’t think minors should transition - that sounds hypocritical. But I agree it is a huge decision. However I wanted to offer a counter perspective to yours from someone who has been through the process. Thanks
@@hp51877 Just wondering, but prior to transitioning, did you ever talk to your parents, your best friend, a teacher, a counselor, or therapist about what you had been feeling and your thoughts of suicide? Honestly, trying to figure out what's causing ur thoughts of suicide is the 1st step. The 2nd step: To talk to your parents and seek out a therapist first and choosing to transition should be the absolute last resort for most people imo and not the first resort like so many jump too quickly on. Given everyone gets themselves involved in social media a little too much to the extent that it does brainwash everyone and it makes think they're someone they're really not. I'm glad you no longer have those thoughts, but my biggest issue for everyone whether minor or not is both the top and bottom surgeries since both can cause irreversible damage to those who transitioned when at a young age. One day I came across Chloe Cole's story where she was a transman at one point, got top surgery I think at age 13, and by the time she was 15, that was about the time if not way prior to that that regret about top surgery had set in for her. When she was 15, she started thinking about wanting to have kids one day and also wanting to breast-feed them (which b/c of that surgery, she knows she will never able to do that). These are the main issues that so many kids/teens and some adults don't understand until years later down the line. Some may not want kids right now and some may think they would never want kids, but then sometime down the line in their own future, they do want kids. I'm glad you've had no thoughts of suicide since transitioning, but when it comes to any surgery, carefully reflect on that if you haven't gotten any surgeries yet.
@@hp51877 Also, why did you feel like you couldn't live your life in your biological body? Idk if you're a transman or transwoman. But for the case of a biological woman becoming a man; tomboy girls with short hair exist out there in the world. 1 of my prior jobs, I accidentally mistook a really tall very tomboy teen girl for a boy by accident. And she also had her ears pierced and she gets mistaken as a boy all the time and she's never once cared at all by that. She was a full-blown tomboy without a care in the world which is awesome imo b/c she was and probably still is being her 100% true self in her biological body. As it'd be weird to see biological men wearing skirts and dresses in public, but if it's in ur biological body, who cares? Drag queens are completely different since they're literally putting a woman persona on for adult shows or what should be adult shows only. Yeah, it'd be awkward at first, but I wouldn't care if a little boy or even a biological man wore a dress in public.
@@cicicave1279hi, thanks for your respectful questions. I don’t really know why I couldn’t live in my biological body. It wasn’t really about having short hair or things like that but more so all the aspects of living in my old body were extremely uncomfortable - everything physical associated with being that sex that came with it. It feels as though the wires in my brain are crossed somehow where my brain doesn’t connect at all to my biological sex. I couldn’t have a relationship or have sex at all with anyone. Now i have a good sex life. I didn’t like being touched or looked at before. Even with friends. I wish I knew why, but really I don’t.
maybe they wont'...I regret not having done it while I was a kid. And no, I am not talking about hormones which wasnt available in 184 that much, Im talking about social transition.
This is what got me. The non chalance with which they describe that they’re essentially just making hasty decisions because these things are not approved.
I really disagree on completely transitioning during childhood because if there's any slight chance of regret aftwards, there's almost no turning back. Even if one knows they are physically and mentally different from birth, it should be no younger than the age of 18. Start out with loving the child for who they are, keeping them nurtured, help build strong relationships, strong attachments, meaningful values, etc. They can decide what they want, but give them the building blocks of good decision making. In other words, the usual parental upbringing. There's a big reason for the age of 18.
True, when I was a kid, I wanted to be a girl, but now I’m glad I was born a boy. Sometimes, some kids doesn’t need transition in their childhood, all they need is time to decide
I think the research is going to show otherwise - that it's the delay that causes the most enduring damage. If you listen to these young people carefully, you soon recognize that they are wise beyond their years. They speak with a maturity that is actually disarming. It demands a certain respect. They know who they are - or more importantly, who they are not. I understand the concern. I think it's really important that they're not isolated- and that goes for the parents as well. You shouldn't go through this alone.
Also, after my last comment, what about cost? If a child is sensible and understand that some parents cannot afford to have things like hormone blockers, children are really good of not dealing with it in that sense because they understand what the family can afford or not. Those hormone blockers and the like or at least I think $10,000? For I don’t know how many shots? Hey, if you can afford it, and will do the risk, I suppose it’s your call. But there is a long-term deficit that could happen.
I’m sorry if I seem strong about this, but I just see too many children having a necessary chemical hormone treatments and similar events at younger and younger ages. We already have an obesity problem in children, we are already having medical issues in children, why now do we need more chemical transformations? I’m commenting the fact that there are too many parents who just don’t except children the way they are. I was brought up in a family, and I am blind. Obviously I did not need chemical needs, but my parents were always excepting of me being who I am. I have just seen too many people with so many ailments. There’s some thing about having acceptance from families that may it a lot easier for children to except them selves and except the fact that if I need to do this when I have a job, and when I’m an adult, I understand. Meantime I’m glad my family except me for who I am, what I do, and enjoy the moments that I have with them. That’s why I comment. I know that I don’t have a lot to do with this, but I have also seen children that have been excepted fully and warmly by their parents to do whatever without having chemical transformations. The fact that if you do these chemical things, you are more prone to diseases, lower immune system‘s, etc. We don’t need more of that as a society. That’s why am doing it.
Imagine allowing a 6yr old ti drive your family car. NOT A CHANCE RIGHT.... So HOW THE HECK can parents allow a child to make a decision As huge and life changing as this. IT IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE
I agree to a point. If I had been allowed to be open with loving parents about my transgender feeling, when I was six, maybe I would have spent the rest of my life wishing I would have had the courage to change my gender and maybe my genitals to match my feminine brain. It has been 70 years of trying to be masculine to live up to the expectations of others: sports, body building, church, marriage, children, male profession and continuous thoughts of guilt, going to hell and disappointing others. Good parents would have listened, gotten experienced counselling and possibly started the child on puberty blockers
…..if warranted, by age 12. And then let the child learn how to make an informed decision at age 18 or later, before their body get hairy, their beard grows out, they get a triangular torso and heavy brow, chin, Adam’s Apple, voice, all of which are very hard and expensive to reverse, if the child chooses to transition. And that happens enough of the time to give them a chance to make up their own mind and not suffer the fate of most in-the-closet transgenders, like I had been. Maybe “I WOULD NOT have spent the rest of my life wishing I would have had the courage…..” (left out the “not” in the above response). Take care.
The kid said "i found out i was trans from a youtube video" And try to tell me they're mature enough to make a decision like this. i feel for these kids and the parents though, i know this is probably so hard to go through
@@jaynekranc8607 yeah well that is called a self-diagnosis, which can be very murky territory even for adults to do, let alone children who haven't fully developed mentally/physically.
That response made me fear the long reaching influence social media really has. I'm in my 40s, internet wasnt really as mainstream until I was in my teens, cellphones didn't really become mainstream until I was 17, so I can't imagine how much more technology is ingrained in today's generation than when it first became popular
I guess I just wasn't ready for this. I hope that all turns out well, I just grew up in a society where parents made the decisions until you were grown enough to.
All medical decisions including trans healthcare are decided in consultation with doctors, parents, and of course the children themselves. When I was in high school 20 years ago a girl got breast reduction surgery to help deal with back issues she was having. The same process was followed. She complained, the parents confirmed the complaint was recurring and not a fleeting thing, they went to a doctor who confirmed with the medical literature that this would help, and the procedure was done. Literally nobody had an issue with it because no politician was trying to sell them something using fear.
AS IT SHOULD BE AND CONTINUED TO BE. Have you ever thought about all the crazy things you wanted as a kid and think what happened if your parents actually indulged you? Transitioning, especially for young children is for the most part IRREVERSIBLE, despite the lies and misinformation of tran activists.
@@paxanaparsons8054a breast reduction is much different because it’s been done for years and we know the long term effects. These doctors are saying this is experimental and they don’t know the long term effects.
@@elenabarraza681 how can it be experimental if it was being done 20 years ago? Nobody heard about this five years ago, even trump said that. It's just another fake issue to keep you afraid and voting against your interests.
This video is actually old. For instance, Alex is in his 20s now and Ariel is a Calvin Klein model and has appeared on the cover of Vogue. Those are the only 2 I've heard or read about.
@@stephentaylor8339 Somehow I just knew Ariel would be in the public eye. She is just so freaking awesome. Outspoken, smart, and very well spoken. I"m so happy for her! I hope John and Alex are doing ok. I was worrying about them.
His friends are terrible ! I hope he finds some better male role models than mr. “treat her like you don’t even like her” & the guy who keeps using the wrong pronouns .
I’m pretty sure I would have transitioned from a girl to boy from the age 4 to 17 if i could have but as I got older things changed and I embraced and loved myself for who I am and live with discomforts just like everyone else. Sometimes it makes me wonder if gender roles under the age of 18 is a bad thing as it’s easier for girls to dress and act like boys growing up but not guys acting like girls and getting away with it
Especially before puberty. Our bodies and brains have not developed thru the changes they will have and are no where near what they will become. Making such a decision as a very young child seems unwise to me.
Gender roles absolutely are a bad thing. And the reason that it's easier for girls to dress like boys than the other way around is misogyny. Simple as that.
What a good father, not allowing his kid and wife to bully him into agreeing to something against his conviction. He was definitely the wise one, acting as a father should, in the best interest of his child.
Correct, all those kids are going to be on medication for life with a lot of health problems any endocrinology with ethics will not agree with this madness no medical doctor should allow this experiment with kids, gender can't be changed.
Look at Jazz Jennings. That did not pan out. Jazz never went thru puberty and the poor thing has had 3 bottom surgeries, 3.. and it’s still non functional and she’ll never orgasm.. she has terrible social anxiety and she even put on a ton of weight, probably just from all the stress. I hope things go well for her but it’s not looking good. Poor thing. What happened to seeing people for their souls.. the only thing that truly matters. The inside.
“I used to say she but then I might correct myself and say he. I’ve gotten better at it.” That same kid two seconds later “yeah I had no idea SHE changed HER name”
It's hard to ignore biology. They're always gonna know she's a biological female and it's just natural to use the pronoun that first comes to mind. Nobody should feel bad about that.
I grew up around boys and expressed myself as a boy (tomboy) playing football/basketball and wanting to be just like my older brother because I looked up to him. I even tried peeing standing up lol. And still my parents never encouraged the idea that I was actually a boy. Even though they never discouraged how I expressed myself. If they endorsed the idea, at such a crucial time in my life, that my nerves about puberty and becoming a woman was an indicator that I didn’t actually want to be a woman I wouldn’t be who I am today. And I’m so proud to be a woman. Kids don’t know how these drastic changes will effect them in the long run
@@Marz859 no it’s not the same.. And that’s why parents shouldn’t jump straight to hormones and procedures.. I agree with the comment before you. Therapy and time, and when a child turns into an adult only then should they be able to consent to life altering choices for THEMSELVES. Not as a child with the parents consent.
@@primagiedi3775 Please read my comment above. It is not a "jump" decision. And hormones before puberty is sometimes critical. But the decision is always made by a group of professionals, parents and the child.
What strikes me is how mature so many of these kids are. Depression and having to learn to advocate for yourself will do that to you, I know. But they all have resounding emotional intelligence too. There are some teens and kids you talk to who sound smart, may be book smart, but you still feel like, 'Yeah, I'm talking to a child.' So many of these kids, though? Even the hyperactive or silliness doesn't offset the feeling of speaking to someone who has had to grow up way too fast. It's both humbling and sad. I hope they will eventually get to live the lives they've envisioned for themselves, without having to constantly waste mental energy on having to justify their existence. I hope the are able to build up strong friendships and familial relationships as the foundation of their happiness.
@Übermensch Lussenhorf There was also a half-Indian kid (Singh) featured, as well as a half-black kid... (with the dad who refused to compromise and accept his child)
@@TheSnyderWeb Wealthy people who i can 100% bet you are should not speak on behalf of folks living with poverty. Your assumption is false. It is only compounded and worse. Gender non-conforming folks who are also poor just have both to deal with. The problem here is the lack of representation. the fault and blind spot of the production crew,those who selected the interviewees.
Lily Evans interesting that you said you “100% bet” I’m wealthy, while also complaining I’m making assumptions. Aren’t you also making an assumption? (By the way, your assumption is wrong, I’m not wealthy, never have been)
At this point it is basically an experimental treatment. We will see later how this worked for them. I hope it gives them the happiness they hoped for.
No it's not. Puberty blockers have been used on transgender people since at least the 1940s. Information about that was some of the first stuff to be burned by Hitler
What I have learned from this presentation is that children can be very dramatic and changable. And making these irreversible decisions before brain maturity is going to bite many of them in the butt
For such an incredibly touchy and difficult topic, I don't think it's as easy as y'all think. These issues are incredibly complex. If you had a kid/teen who was very close to committing suicide. I would like to believe that many of y'all would want to help them in any way you can. So far, research indicates that most don't regret transitioning. Why is that so hard to understand?
I kno and that is why these parents don't need to let 5 year old kids make decisions and take blockers at young age its doctors playing God bc they can't actually make them oone or the other what I wanted at 5 isn't what I wanted at 25 u know reason kids don't make decisions parents do
So kids when they take wrong decisions we stop them coz its wrong and that's wath parents do....now we let confused kids to take massive decisions gonna infected they life in the future ..wath kids want in age of 5 year old is not wath they want when they 18 years old...instead of telling 5 or 6 or 10 year's old that's u are a girl u borne as a girl and really look at the problem way my child want to change?we let them change and maybe regret that massive decision in the nearest future and hate they parents for not stop them... However for me personally the hole idea its about how much money i have to spend in surgery and medication so my child find his fools happiness?i think the hole thing is generated and sponsored from big pharma ...coz we talking about big market here...billionsof dollars and next thing it will be sponsoredand pay by government..and that wath big pharma want on the cont of children.if parents dont know really way they child dont know how they are really....thats a big fuck up from parents....i blame the parents...
@@momochef463 - a school nurse can lose professional license and be charged with crime of falsely practicing medicine by giving a student a Tylenol w/o a Dr. order signed BY A PARENT.
@@momochef463 - PS, even if a student has a severe asthma attack and has no inhaler (or ran out) school nurses specifically taught they must NOT administer same prescription from another student, only to call 911 - even if in an area where ambulance would take too long tom arrive and child is dying in front of us. Things are really screwed up.
14:38 This woman just admitted she is using medications out of their prescribed methods to illicit physical changes within a child. She literally just said she is EXPERIMENTING ON THESE CHILDREN!
I grew up liking boys clothes, toys, shoes etc… but never did I think that I should be a boy. I was known as a “Tomboy” . I am still a female and glad my parents did not think of me as a boy or think I should change my gender.
Okay? it isn't about you. If you're trying to relate this to the documentary did you even watch it? The parents of the kid literally said they thought he was a tomboy, not a boy, even after he said he wished he was one and said he was uncomfortable. The parents heard what he was saying, but still addressed him as a girl. It was only when things were getting serious that they allowed him to be a boy.
@@Raspberryheaven.crazy. Thanks Theo- sorry you misinterpreted what I was sharing with everyone- it is easy to miss the point and in sharing my thoughts- you missed my point
Unfortunately, these kids will feel pressure to follow through with a transition now that they've shared their stories. But they need to know, everyone feels uncomfortable with who they are at that age. You still have a choice. Don't take that choice away forever.
@@erinlevere6881 you don’t know these people either. Maybe they’re truly trans. Maybe they’ll change their minds. That’s not “willfully being ignorant.” It’s reality.
@@NotTheThngsUSaid yea but if you have no experience with Trans people maybe you should hush and listen to them instead of being pessimistic out of ignorance. You don't have enough knowledge. I'm Trans and I was once was a child feeling the same way and I wish I had that support. But I grew up in the 80s and 90s so that wasn't going to happen back than people were even more ignorant.
It’s amazing how EVERYONE and EVERYTHING has to be shoved aside to accommodate the trans kids. Writing fictional Disney princess names that change every day of the week just to be able to address your grandchild?!! The friends sit and berate themselves for being TOO accommodating and everything centers around how the trans kid feels while nobody cares or discusses how the rest of the kids feel about something so bizarre and definitively dysfunctional and unnatural as to deny one’s genitals and gender and attempt to approximate the opposite gender. I have no issues with true trans people but it shouldn’t be done during formative childhood years. And the rest of humankind shouldn’t be shamed into celebrating it as a positive thing when it’s proven to carry tragically heightened rates of suicide and mental health issues-it shouldn’t be promoted as ‘gender affirming’ when it’s by definition gender denial. This is social engineering at this rate when it’s .005 % of humans who are trans yet they entire world is in a tailspin destroying women’s sports, motherhood, biology, language, psychology and all to assuage less than one percent of the human population.
I have no issues with true trans people but it shouldn’t be done during formative childhood years. - Right yeah lol, let them go through the wrong (for them) puberty, develop secondary sex characteristics like big breasts, facial hair, wrong (for them) figure, wrong voice, so they will 10 times a harder time laters trying to *change* it all instead of delaying all of the development so they could save numerous surgeries later. Sounds fckn productive lol. Make people suffer more, look worse, have harder time passing, spend unholy amount of money on more operations, let them go through more pain of those operations. Just cause someone like you doesnt like something that he has no relations to. Yep, thats sounds right
You know it's truly sad that you can't open your heart & allow yourself to feel compassion for the brave families who have allowed these extremely difficult conversations & decisions to be filmed so others could truly see what these families experience. Not everyone feels the way you feel or believes the things you believe, and that is ok- but if you can't open your mind to have the compassion & understanding that your human experience isn't the experience that everyone else in the whole world has... well I feel sorry for you. You don't have to "celebrate" the things that you can't understand- but you're a pretty shitty person if you can't find the compassion for those who follow a different path then you. Also this is youtube- it's not being forced on you... if you don't agree with it- move along!! I'm sure you can find other small minded content that makes you feel warm & fuzzy.
What a wonderful and insightful documentary. More people need to watch this. These kids are so eloquent. I was never that mature at those ages. I want these kids to know that there are people out here that support them and love them.
One child said where the problem is, it's social media. my social media was my family growing up. Aunt's and uncle's help me make choices along with parents I had some really hard times.i feel so bad for the children these days .
I wanted to be European starting at age 11 but looking back, it was all due to being bullied. Trump made me snap out of it & I was no longer a registered Republican. I did turn out to have %45 European, %5 African DNA but what I embraced the most now is being %50 American.
I think TikTok especially and Tumbler and all the semi-secretive social media "clubs" are totally twisting our alienated (from the lockdowns) k-12 vhildren into a weird group...adults, too. I've never been as generally unhappy and confused as well as losing my creativity than I have been since Jan 2020. It's almost like giving everyone super depressive drugs....
Shout out to those boys who took Alex under their wings. You can see in Alex’s eyes how important their acceptance was to him. At the end of the day, everyone just wants to be accepted for who they are.
@@JohnDoe-rk7ej I disagree. For example, I grew up in a very religious household, and was very devout as a child/teen/college students. However, I am now 24 and am no longer part of the religion I grew up with, even though it was one I was born into.
on the one hand, I thought it was nice they took him under their wing, but on the other hand, they were misgendering him and giving him bad advice. As a mom, I was very concerned for Alex.
@@gabbym333 What you are describing in your comment and what this video is about are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS. You're not only comparing "apples" and "oranges", you're comparing BOWLING PINS to TUPPERWARE.😐
it seems like kyle had a hole in his heart because as a masculine person, he needed a masculine person to look up to and nurture him. but his father refused to be that person and made kyle feel as though that lack of love was *his* fault. it is only my opinion but i think that's why he was so deeply depressed. i am wishing him and all these youth nothing but the best. they deserve to thrive and share their stories.
Kyle's dad isn't transphobic and doesn't not love him.Loving someone means being concerned for them and his dad has very warranted concerns about the fact that hormones manifest permanent changes ESPECIALLY if you take them longterm. All anybody needs to do is search detransition on youtube to find accumulating numbers of people who have detransitioned and the extreme hardships they've gone through and in most cases are still going through today. Also there's a disproportionate number of FTM who detransition, way more biological girls who transition end up detransitioning than boys. Many of these girls now have permanently deepened voices and hair loss and facial changes that can't be reversed and they will have to live with that the rest of their lives. I empathize with these kids and feel horrible that they have to go through this but if I were a parent I don't think I could ever agree with them pursuing as a child extreme medical intervention that not only has permanent changes but also has openly acknowledged UNKNOWN risks. And many many people who detransition do so in early adulthood after realizing they completely misunderstood their issues. They will spend much more of their life as adults than they will as kids so if that was something they were convinced they wanted to do then they could do so as an adult. Thankfully I'm never having kids so neither me nor my nonexistent child will ever have to go through that.
Kyle is a butch lesbian. They should have supported her like that. The “You have to wear a dress!!!” made her feel like she had to “become a man” bc of her natural masculinity.
We as parents should reinforce our children to love who they are and it should start accepting their bodies. These kids would be in drogs and treatment their whole life!
You can't guarantee they would turn to drugs. That's a very ignorant comment to make as there are MILLIONS of drug addicts and not even a quarter of those are bc of the Trans issue but bc they liked the feeling of being dumb from some other trauma or lack of support at home.
@@cerveza2297 yeah, transphobic parents. If you have a trans kid that lays awake at night wishing they were the opposite gender and crying then you have failed as a parent
This is a mental health issue and should be addressed in that way. I feel for those who feel different but not be encouraging to accept that there is no help other than transition.
@@GR8APE69 I bet you do. Sounds like the emotional, intellect of a 12 year old. Most of the time people say stuff like that when in reality that's how they feel. I challenge that you feel for people with cancer??? I mean what kind of immature thing is it to say something like that? It's easy to be rude and disrespectful behind a computer screen. You should really consider what you say before you type it. I challenge you to grow up, open your mind and put yourself in someone else's shoes. It's amazing that you think you know who your talking too..lolololol 😂😂😂 - Don't bother with your out of breath reply because Im in the sport of replying one time. 😊
Parents who believe children have the maturity to do damage irreversable to themselves is unforgivable. Love your child & let them grow up & go through puberty like humans are suppose to do. Parents are gonna be in trouble with their offspring 10 years from now.
26:00 so they sent this boy into the girls locker room, knowing damn well it was a boy and subjected everybody else’s kids to what day one to do and what they believe just to protect one child’s feelings they put everybody else at risk just think about the selfishness of that insanity at its finest
When the kids were talking about how great the internet is, especially UA-cam, and the one boy said "UA-cam is how I found out I was trans." That just made me cringe... 😬 The idea that such a huge, life altering decision is made because of a UA-cam video is disturbing to me.
wtf did you not learn from this?? this was NOT a "drastic" change! They did not wake up one day and say "I'm a ...(opposite gender)" and they went to the dr and got a shot that day. This goes along with YEARS of observation and counseling. When you actually pay attention to your own kid you KNOW something is going on inside them. The world is not black and white and NATURE ISN'T PERFECT.
I've just read so much about people de transitioning because they made this decision while they were young and their minds were still growing and they all regret it. I dont think its right for those hormones blockers that are recommended for children should be handed out. I wish the best for these kids I really do.
I had a female friend as a kid. She was grown up being a tom boy. At puberty she embraced her femaleness and she became a beautiful girl and now a mom. Leaving kids to make such a huge decisions for a just not very smart. They are not even capable of choosing the most beneficial food, let alone gender.
I am so angry at all these parents, when I was 6 my neighborhood kids ganged up on me and told me I looked like a boy and was ugly and threw something really sticky onto the front of my shirt (who knows). They probably just wanted me to go away but like kids do they said really mean things to get me to go home. I went home and cried and told my mom what they said and she put me up on the bathroom counter in front of the mirror and helped me clean the sticky stuff off, she brushed my hair and put a pretty bow in, I believe she let me wear her lipstick too, she told me I was so beautiful all the time and sometimes kids are just real mean for no real reason, she brought me out of that broken lost and ugly feeling, she played with me and loved me and made sure that I knew those kids were mean, not right. She wanted me to promise to never hurt anyone like that because I now know how horrible it feels. I believed her because she was my Mama, I am so thankful she was mine! I was born in the 80’s luckily, I bet now days Mothers can not share their sad stories of their children’s emotions and pains without getting ridiculed or called in to CPS or something. Sick I am a Mama now and love being a woman, I didn’t know a thing yet at 6 and I am glad my mom was being a mom for me in that desperate time.
When I was little girl I have no idea about gender stuff but it doesn’t means my parents should tell me that I can live a life like man if I want to. This is so insane. Children parenting their parents this days unfortunately
Holy shit, John’s dad won’t even let him change his name, which could literally be changed back. Glad John is over 18 now and I hope he is finally free.
@@Sara-hy1kz and how he always says ''its a big thing to ME'' "MY thoughts'' or ''I dont belive'' like, yeah but its not about you, its about your kid, that is crying at your feet asking for this
Im 42old woman, I'm just watching my 6 month old daughter try to crawl. I wished to born as boy in childhood. I liked behave snd play like boys. I felt ashamed when someone told me I should have been a guy. hmm,,, yes, I would like. " If you asked me when I was 20, 22, 24, if I want to be born a boy, my answer would be:,, Nooo, ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!" . I was a beautiful girl, very skillful, action, brave. Around the age of 24, I wouldn't change anything in my life. I remember moment, when I realized that... .. I feel physical nausea at the thought of being a kid now. if it didn't cost thousands of euros, DEFINITELY !! I WOULD DEFINITELY UNDERGO A TRANSITION !! NEITHER OF THOSE CHILDREN HAS A CHANCE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE LOST, NOT A SINGLE ONE . they have wasted years thinking and imagining transformation, the transition It will take several years and I don't believe they will be happy at the end . PARENTS, YOU don't know handle puberty hormonal fluctuations in your children and you let them cripple. You who are supposed to protect them from themselves, because their brains are not developed enough to protect themselves. Children are a gift. They do not come into the world to spend half their lives transforming the body shell, but to live their lives and give this opportunity to their children
@@CD-uf1lt I disagree children do not have enough life experience to raise themselves which is the reason why they’re given to parents full grown adults and not popping out of the sky as an infant raising them selves
@@emytann7838 that's a lode of BS. Children are sponges and pic up what is around them. I wonder how much social media time a day these kids get. Sexuality and gender do not have any influence in the maturity level of a child.
16:18: "It's harder to be gender non conforming than to be transgender and fully transitioned" BINGO. Not saying being trans isn't a real thing - dysphoria is absolutely real and awful - but I wonder how many kids are simply gender non conforming and transition thinking it'll just be "easier" to be the opposite sex and fit in more that way once they've fully transitioned.
Please delete this do you know that black trans woman fought for the entirety of LGBT rights since the beginning and up to 30 are murdered per month while only ONE or TWO non binary people are murdered per month??? Also not to invalidate any struggle a non binary person goes through, however, their dysphoria clearly only surrounds social transition and not medical as what you’re describing is that them medically transitioning is inevitably harmful to them due to them being pressured??? People have their own choices- that’s what being trans is about. If you can’t own your decisions and be confident that you’re making the right one without societal pressure then u need to learn independence and how to think for yourself. Why you getting a damn surgery just cuz someone told you to??? Like, tf??
@@reisuke_6030 they're saying that a lot of people assume that they are binary trans but after sitting with themselves for awhile, realize that they were less binary or more gender non conforming, and perhaps if they medically transitioned so young as just a natural course of things, they didn't get to realize that until later. most detransitioners do not actually regret transitioning as it helped them reach clarity of person, and ive seen quite a few stories of non binary trans people who did medically transition assuming that they felt one way & then still felt dysphoria so continued to transition in an opposite direction until they reached something that felt more correct. i also feel that comparing people's struggle's by who gets murdered the most is a little nasty. oppression olympics is never cute. non binary people have a spectrum of types of dysphoria and therefore a spectrum of ways that they transition. and the person in the comment above was describing gender non conformity. you can be cis or trans and gnc.
It’s seems strange that minors can make permanent life altering decisions that are irreversible. My heart goes out to all of these kids. Maybe there should be a law that says you can’t go through this kind of change until your at least 18. Some people grow up and change their mind, by than it’s too late !
I just want to say, the 18 law was made many years ago to support the parents On Laws Like these because young adults truly aren't capable of making life decisions, let alone younger than ever before children!! ( Babies beginning at 3 years old ). To me this law is absurd and to be honest the new abortion law they want to pass is barbaric, and I don't necessarily disagree with abortion in certain cases until a certain time they are talking about a day before the actual due date I think it's sickening what in the hell are these people trying to do God have mercy on their souls.
but if you're not trans, how would you know?... For trans kids and teens every day that goes by in the wrong gender cannot be recuperated. You could never understand that feeling of desperation. You don't know what it's like to have sleepless nights worrying about the impotence growing into the wong body and you can do nothing about it. And to top it off, it worse when you know that you have parents that are ignorant and/or intolerant.
mary Catherine baxter says that satan let more the demons out of hell. and enter the mothers woom to pervers children. this is not god doing this. i rebuke this in the name of jesus Christ name
@@AlternativeHomesteading I have watched several of the documentaries on here about the regret of transitioning - and then wanting to detransition. Often it isn't possible. So sad.
@@robinfa-84-tx79 It is horrible. Unconscionable. What are the parents thinking? The doctor should be sued. I hope that there is a class action suit in the future for all these doctors that participate in under 18 year old children transitioning. Like you, I watch many of them. I saw one in which a woman transition to a man and then back to a female but she never got her voice back so if you close your eyes she sounds just like a guy. In addition, many of them never experience an orgasm. They cannot conceive children, they can’t nurse children what are they thinking? It seems to be a fad. All teenagers go through body image issues they outgrow it. And if for some reason they don’t then sometimes you need counseling first they’re usually underlying issues. Every parent should be validating a child to be who they are as they are as they’re born naturally.
I love when doctors tell me birth control is safe and then when I take it I’m mentally not well. 13:49 I wish that statement was from every doctor to every parent during their kid’s visit.
Thanks for the time stamp. I’ve been watching a lot of detrans stories the past few years. The majority that detrans say they were never treated for underlying emotional/mental issues, and they were approved very quickly for hormone blockers and HRT. This is criminal.
this b**** is saying what she needs to say to save face. She’s still lying, anyone with any medical knowledge can assume without adequate studies that puberty blockers will have long term negative effects on growth n development
Ariel's grandma sounds absolutely awesome. I came out as a lesbian to my 96 year old grandma, and she said "oh, dear. That's ok. I just want you to be happy". After she said that, no one else's opinion of me has mattered. If my grandma thinks it's ok, than nothing else matters. I LOVE that woman.
@Jane Tilmann..hats off to you and your grandmother, I definitely think that's awesome! To me, it's a big difference being lesbian or gay then to change your whole body, especially as a child. Most kids don't know what life is about at that age. How many of us have said "I wish I listened to my parents" Not knowing anything about side effects that's a big risk to take. Congratulations to you!
@@heatherlewis2171 God will judge us all trust in him and do your best to make a relationship with him. Jane has a choice like the rest of us. That ability to make a choice is what God gives us all. God bless you all on your journey home.
‘It’s harder to be gender non-conforming than transgender’-Ariel That is the actual issue. We live in a society that the definition of male/female needs to broaden. With so many children facing bullying due to not fitting, not conforming, that is where the need for support falls. Helping kids feel comfortable in the skin they are in. Saying how much easier their life is if they just transition is heartbreaking. This is the opposite of what is needed.
@@very7962 You know the only one bitching about the internet is the person who is using the internet. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me. Yeah, y'all grew up fine how it was, but not everybody. And, I honestly doubt you need to speak for all of humanity. You ain't god. You only bitch about the internet when it suits you. The internet isn't what's wrong with the outside world, it's the outside world that's what's wrong. The internet is just a place to exist. People use or abuse the internet. Don't blame the internet, blame the people.
This is exactly the problem. That we have so polarized gender stereotypes (clothing, toys, etc). Even the focus on gender itself. There is no gender, only sexes. We are all just on a spectrum of what we have labeled masculinity and femininity. That’s all this is. But we are so obsessed with labels (even though we’ve tried to claim for years we hate labels…) that we’ve gotten to this point.
Only once in my life I wished, from the depts of my heart, I were a boy. That was the day I got my period. My mother went to bed with me and held me while I transitioned, in those very first hours, from being a Tom boyish girl into a woman. Thank you mami. Only you understood what I was feeling. Fortunately, I learn to love my womanhood.😊
this ! when i first got “breast” tenderness (i still hate the word breast with a BURNING passion) i was so uncomfortable same with period i had horrible suicidal thoughts and wanted to stay a child and never grow into “womanhood” it is literally just a part of growing up…
I wished so badly I would never be a woman, and that mindset began at the same time for me as it did for you. I harmed myself in multiple ways to prevent becoming a woman. But fortunately, I didn't have any adults telling me I must be transgender, so I grew out of it. I have three beautiful kids that I would not have if someone would have "affirmed" what I was feeling.
@@Ivy.Huesmann, I hope we can all start talking more openly about this and acknowledging it for what it is. It is not sudden mass gender dysphoria. It's normal, albeit very difficult, emotional growing pains.
@@Kimyojonglover except it is… i never wanted to be female… ever i identified more with biological males than females and going through female puberty was genuinely traumatic and scary, but also it’s a part of life and i’d rather have gone through it than not have…
Was she the one who affirmed her child's disphoria or the one who affirmed her child was perfect the way they were born? Feelings come and go. We know this much about feelings and desires. What we don't know is this popularized trans-gender movement that's so new. Just affirm what you know and you can't go wrong
@@mart5476 I mean theyre probaly have more than 2 iq. Unlike some people. I mean i just cant with this stupidity, why dont you question a girl that wants to wear a dress or a makeup or a boy that wants something you stereotypically view as masculine? How can little girls want to wear dress or boys want to wear pants? Shouldt they NOT care how they look at all, how theyre treated? If theyre so stupid that they cant understand the differences between men and women, why make them different at all?
Yeah, John's story was heart breaking. Especially him talking about being a family & the hardship their all going through especially John. I think it's just hard for his dad to accept this too maybe cuz John's age. Just a hard thing for all of them.
@@mart5476 Well, usually the same way all little boys and girls find out they have a crush on a certain other little boy or girl. I remember my nephews trying to force me to play cops and robbers with them, they wanted me to dress like the sheriff, and I did it once, and told my mom I didn't want to dress like a boy, I was a girl! I was 5 years old.
I get mad at parents when they're not accepting. And I get mad at parents driving kids under the age of 8 to be trans. Kids need to grow into learning what they are
@Tyrell Johnson Detransition is less than 3% and of those 3% 60% are temporary. Don’t ban transitioning just require therapy for a duration before doing it. Transitioning worked for me
@@nancybates6585 That if they’re suffering from gender dysphoria, then they should be given therapy, to help them with what they are struggling with mentally. An adult (anyone over 18) making such life altering decisions, is one thing, but let a child go through puberty and decide when they are older and understand such a huge, permanent decision they will be making. The FDA does not approve girls under 18 to have breast implants, let alone puberty blockers. Yet parents are allowing their child’s body to be completely altered, actually mutilated.
What I'm saying is what direction is the correct one and how do we even know? I would not want to be the parent of a "dysphoric child", if that's the proper term. Sorry if it's not. I don't know what I would do in these cases! I'm old, but not too old to empathize with the emotional pain and suffering they are all going thru 😔
The brain is sending wrong signals to the thinking processes that are wrong , I would not let a child decide this because their brain aren't fully developed ! SAD
@@dixieblonde2208 You are partly correct. I promise you, if your child was trans and you decided to deny them the chance to transition, its not an IF they'd kill themselves, its a WHEN!
This is sad. Human brains don’t develop until early 20’s. No child should make a serious decision. Social media is to blame. Parents need to Protected they’re children not give into this
It’s okay to let a child choose clothing and behavior but...You spend your entire life fighting your biology...Doing nothing irreversible is the right thing until they are old enough to really know. Using suicide as emotional blackmail is just horrifying... I agree however, that there are a very few children truly, truly trans from day 1...
These are all CHILDREN. they didn’t choose this. Let kids be kids. A hair cut or growing your hair out or wearing “opposite gender clothes” is not a big deal compared to other problems in the world. Their emotional state is important!
Each one of the kids in this documentary is so intelligent and well spoken. They seem much older than their actual ages. They also seem to be very close to their parents. Has to be hard on all of them. But the love they have for each other is beautiful and seems to be carrying them through
What about the children going through similar things without the familial support, financial supper and social acceptance. = Suicide, drugs, crime, etc...
exactly! ive gotten this like all the time when i have to explain being trans to people (like therapists and doctors and stuff). it's like i had to grow up to be ready for what the world has in store for me and i had to know literally everything about science to prove my identity.
On the contrary, I was SURE of what I wanted while a kid, then I grew up and I wanted different things as a teen, then I changed my mind again... We have a lot to learn, including body and self acceptance.
@@champigranja1179 Did you also think of the long term negative implications of your actions? A 9 year old child who wants his penis cut off to be “fully” female doesn’t think that they will never be able to have biological children. This starts to hit home when their friends start having kids. I have read on Reddit as well as seen videos of Detrans people who completely regret their decision that they removed those body parts. A lot of these people had gender affirming surgery under the age of 18.
@@Br4veDave My point exactly: while a teen, I was sure I didn't want kids until I reached 23 or so. So, no, I didn't think of the long term because kids rarely do that.
If children can decide to transition but you won’t let them decide what they eat for dinner there is an issue… if the kid says I’m a boy and you bend over backwards to transition them but they say I want a phone and I don’t want to go to school you don’t listen to them then… if they can’t decide what to eat or when to go to bed or when and if they go to school how can you let them medically castrate themselves
I sympathize with the kids and their families, this must be such a difficult and painful situation but I resent the medical approach and the lack of consistent and extended therapy. I just can't understand that these doctors couldn't consider that therapy is pivotal. Ariel's voice and demeanor shows that the child is autistic, am I right? This "documentary" left out so much. Down playing the risks of what they call "affirming care", blockers, hormones and surgeries, the way those are presented here are so superficial that's scary. Kids are also not told that WE, HUMANS TEND TO CHANGE OUR MINDS. That they will most definitely change their views in some or even most aspects in time, that a 23 year old will not be the same he/she was at 13. This "documentary" leaves me with a sour after taste.
Autism doesn't necessarily invalidate that they are gender dysphoric and trans. I know people think autistic people think in rigid boxes but this couldn't be further from the truth based on most autistic people I know. Its a spectrum so if you know one person with autism you know just one person with it. I also don't believe autistic people are more likely to follow trends. Like that hasn't been my experience with autistic people with black and white thinking either.
@@Cicada-Screams Are you going to refute that autistic people can be easily swayed or influenced? Is your theory solid enough as to accept the risks of transitioning for a person who can't analyze and weigh every aspect involved? Transitioning consist in a series of steps taken towards changing one's body, meaning potentially modifying a healthy body irreversibly. How is it ok for an autistic person, child or adult, to take such a big step? I do know autistic people and I know that there's always a part of them that needs to lean on someone, always the need for emotional support and the frail sense of security that makes this matter even more dangerous. Detransitioning, when it happens, is hard and painful for a person who accepted the consequences from the beginning and it's likely to happen to everyone, why would you submit a perfectly healthy autistic child to this outcome?
@almagoh8436 @almagoh8436 Those are the autistic people you know. It's not true that all autistic people need to lean on others emotionally. That honestly seems to be the exact opposite in the people I know. Autistic adults aren't all overgrown children who need chaperones their entire lives. And what makes you think an autistic person wouldn't take the time to research and weigh the pros and cons of certain medical procedures? Austic people probably, on average, spend more time deeply researching things they have a special interest in. Maybe your thoughts of austic people are those you see on shows like "love on the spectrum" or someone having to wear a helmet because they hit themselves in the head. Those people definitely exist sure but higher functioning autistic people are much less obvious. There's a reason theirs a term called "aspie Supremcy" because aspergers is just higher functioning autism. As for autistic people being more easily influenced. There's studies that show autistic are less likely to fall for cult tactics and join religion. Anyone of any neurotype can be deceived. And I think plenty if not most neurotypicals go through life just following the social script. This is my anecdotal opinion, but austic people are just, if not more, introspective than neurotypicals.
@@almagoh8436 Autistic here and I am not easily swayed or influenced, I'm actually more rigid with my ideas. All autistics are severely different from each other. I also do NOT depend on others for my emotional well being, I can do that myself. I also only spend time with people socially only in spurts as redundant conversations bore me
Imagine if the parents had just said "Look, you are a girl, but girls can do anything that a boy can do" and left it at that. The kid would grow out of it.
That’s not how it works. Their brain is male and body is female or vise versa. Indeed there are a lot of kids that do question who they are and are uncomfortable while going through puberty and then grow out of it. That happens very frequently but these situations mentioned in the film are unusual. Unusual in that the child feels so uncomfortable in their body that they are willing to harm or kill themselves to escape what they are feeling. There has always been a small but significant portion of the population struggling with gender dysphoria. This has been the case since the dawn of civilization and it is here to stay. I get the impression that the parents in this film spent a lot of time wondering whether their child’s behavior and preferences were “just a phase” but then realized how much deeper their child’s challenges were. I would imagine that any parents that are about to let their child transition to another gender would not want it for their child without extensive and careful consideration. Because of what they have been through these kids are unusually smart, self aware and resilient. The reason that only adults used to transition in generations passed is because there was too much of a stigma surrounding transitioning earlier in life. Many people who transitioned as adults mentioned symptoms of gender dysphoria that date back to childhood. Sorry this is so long but it is a complicated topic.
You're completely missing the point. At 21 regular development is irreversible. Hormone blockers allow this to be delayed. Ask a grown person who has transitioned of the wish they hadn't had to undo puberty and they would vehemently say yes.
@@mdickard8354 It is an interesting question for two reasons: first, it is not possible to do the experiment with a "control" (i.e. treated and untreated), secondly, anyone who suffers a trauma or makes a tough decision will develop coping mechanisms to reassure themselves that they made the right choice. Of course there are people who suffer from traumatic regret and all sorts of PTSD, but my point is that just because someone says that they "feel" that they made the right decision, doesn't mean that they did. Its like trying to figure out if you made the right decision by not dating someone that you almost tried to, or if you married the right person... Humans simply can not compute the answer. The question then becomes: How can we know if it is right to tell kids that they are supposed to feel certain ways and want to play with certain toys etc. Was Baryshnikov not a man? I other cultures men wear makeup, jewelry, dresses, and dance together... on more important matters, do a google scholar search on "glyphosate" and "sexual reproduction".
I am gay, and knew i was different going back to as far as i can remember, probably age 4 or 5. But as a kid, I did not really understand that I was gay, and definitely did not fully understand until I was an adult. Therefore, I hate to seem critical, but These are just kids and their brains are not even close to being fully formed. If I were a father ( unlikely) I would love my child unconditionally. And I would want them to be happy. But I would not let them decide, as a child , to take hormones, have surgery, etc. they would have to wait until adulthood ( some would say 18 is not really an adult these days). If , as an adult, they still wanted to switch genders, then I would support them 1000%. I just don’t think it benefits children to switch their genders. And if my little girl was butch, or my little be feminine, so be it. Its all good
Hormones and surgery only happen if the person is over 17-18, by which point they are basically an adult. The only medical thing they give before 18 are puberty blockers, which are fully reversible.
@@Lucailey 16 is the legal earliest, but generally 16 is when trans kids are even considered for hormones, so they have to go through gender therapy for another few years before finally being Able to take hormones. Conceptually and legally, children may get hormones by age 16. In practice though, considering unsupportive parents, the cost of therapy, and the cost of medicine, most people cannot get hormones until 19-20
My friend is transgender. I lived in a rural republican dominated small christian town. Prior to his testosterone treatment, he said that he was suicidal. After transitioning, he has felt much better. To him, testosterone is the medicine. It took me a while to get used to transgender lgbtq+ and all that stuff and I still mostly don't know or understand. Just treat other humans with respect. That's all.
As a trans man who has grown up in a small and somewhat conservative area, people like you are very important to those like me. Even if someone doesn’t fully understand, as long as they try to learn and treat us with kindness and respect thats all we can really ask for.
@@5466Aaron the advice at 33:00 is all about burping whenever (which i dont see as very bad advice) and being cold to girls like you dont care (which i think is bad advice.) but i might have different opinions about that than coco persiflage.
Probably a better question on my part, would have been, is it such miserable advice in this situation? To me, it seems like advice intended to help Alex. On one level, at least, it seems to succeed. But, maybe it is bad nonetheless.
@@5466Aaron It's definitely well intentioned and supportive, but if you burp in front of a girl I mean I can't see in her head but I am guessing she will think you are rude and I am also guessing if you are cold to her how will she know you like her? You definitely don't wanna seem desperate, but you shouldn't be cold either. I think this advice is something that makes you more masculine, but I think it's sort of a negative aspect of masculinity. What I mean is these are definitely male habits but I feel like they are habits that maybe we shouldn't be leaning into. Get what I mean? Idk. But I still definitely recognize the friends are trying to be supportive and I think that is really sweet.
I wonder if we will ever stop overlooking the neurodivergent traits that are extremely evident in these children. There is also a clear link between body dysphoria and mental disorders. These issues need to be treated, but instead, we are ignoring them so we can all virtue signal. That's the biggest frustration for me as a mother with a "gender-fluid" child myself. For instance "Arial" is clearly on the spectrum. All you have to do is listen to the child speak. That's the speech pattern of a child with 'high-functioning' ASD. That's just ONE characteristic overlooked here.
Ariel seems like such an exhausting “friend”. Her “friends” can’t do or say anything without hurting her feelings or making her uncomfortable. She has extremely low self esteem and that will eventually push EVERYONE away from her if she doesn’t get help for it
Finally someone said it! She presents herself as rather "mature", but she is not. I also find her very exaggerated in her "female manners". Her friends and her therapist are not trying to hurt her feelings, just stating facts (about motherhood, for instance). Parents need to teach their kids to accept who they are, not enable delusions.
I’m a biological female, growing up as a little girl my biggest fear was getting my period and growing breasts. I cannot express in words just how much my changing body affected me mentally, emotionally, and physically. I grew up so disconnected with my body and hated being a girl. I kept this to myself (I grew up in the late 80s and early 90s). I grew out of this stage by age 16 and have never questioned my gender. It really makes me wonder about these children and the permanent life decisions they are being allowed to make.
@@reapthewhirlwind4166 Same. I really hated puberty. it was so confusing and uncomfortable for me. I remember viewing it as the worse time in my life. I was also always a Tomboy and even now I still work in a primarily male dominated (90%+) field. That being said I'm very happy to be a woman. I'm happy I have the ability to have children unlike these kids who are being sterilized.
@@MsFlamingFlamer I was a Tomboy from about 6 years until puberty. I think dreading puberty was more about just being a kid a little while longer
I think it's child abuse, and needs to stop. So many adults, and now some schools are being plain evil and trying to hide what they are doing from parents. They obviously don't really care about the children's best interests.
Very bad. Concerned parents need to stop this.
I agree with you. Everyone is terrified of puberty! That doesn’t mean you need to medically modify childrens bodies based upon how they feel in their head.
These are not permanent changes
I'm surprised to see an available comments section
This doc is from 2015, so just PBS dredging up old topics. I'm also surprised comments being left on, as this seems like a topic where people have extreme opinions either way.
Don’t worry. It’s being censored.
This channel tends to leave them up.
Propaganda channels by the far left always hide their comments... even PBS.
The comment moderator is OBVIOUSLY deleting any comment that disagrees!! Pathetic POS! I only typed a 2nd comment saying i am going to flag this video.. it was deleted. Loser Admins, confirmed nazees
I want to see Frontline do a follow up in 10 years.
this documentary was from 2015
What are you expecting? Lol. You can google. I've found them all on Instagram. I came out as trans in 1984 at 5 years old and lived on the streets from 13-21 giving myself hormones. Anyway rarely have I seen people say that got it wrong. It does happen but that's rare. It's hard for you to understand if it's not your experience
@loveisthekey7 it is NOT rare but the trans community throws detransitioner away when they no longer align. Your were 5 and your parents FAILED YOU. Fear GOD
@loveisthekey7 ah yes that sounds like a healthy lifestyle... nothing to see here folks move along 😂
I was just thinking the same. The government was the first one to push this travesty on our children. I know of instances where they took kids away from their home because they were labeled "abusive" for saying "no" to their young children's request to transition. Some are still fighting to get them back. It's terrible......
Frontline, PLEASE do a follow up to this - as this was produced in 2015 - It would be great and helpful to see where these kids are at today. I think that would be so helpful to the younger generation and parents - to help guide them on this topic.
As @InTheHillCountry stated, with the exception of Alex we can confirm all of them have grown up, are doing well, and have remained trans.
They all 41%
@@ابراهيم_محمد_الازهر Wow, thank you for your reply. You seem to be extremely interested in actual discourse, which you made clear by your objectively incorrect statement. If you have anything else of remote worth to add, be my guest. We wouldn't want you being a complete waste of biomass after all.
Ok
@PhoenixY-g2s Thank goodness 🌟
On a small but significant note, it's sad that the one boy is teaching the other boy that if you like a girl, show no emotion and act like you don't like her. First of all, this sets up a terribly dynamic for girls where they go anxious b/c the boys are being avoidant, and also it teaches boys that they shouldn't show emotion or care.
Yeah, that bothered me as well and I thought it weird that they said she's still learning to be a boy but getting there. That one more than the others did not seem truly male but a girl trying to be male. I see this one as a phase she's going through and will eventually regret her decision. She still seemed like a girl to me that just wants to hang out with the guys.
I'm so glad you said that! On top of all that, he said that boys don't hold in their burps, but girls do. Plenty of males hold in burps because that's just plain manners. It's like the actual boys themselves weren't even mature enough to know how to explain what it meant to be a true boy, so how could "Alex" have any idea at her age?
As a trans man I completely agree! Men shouldn't be shamed for showing emotion. I hope the little guy doesn't end up buying into toxic masculinity.
Seems to be a general effect of testosterone. I know you want to deny biological effects
Yeah it's like wife beaters when they were young.
letting your kid express themselves? awesome. letting them get medical changes at a young age? i’m sorry but that’s messed up. people need to realize how serious of a decision it is to medically transition. it’s something you need to be 1000% sure about, otherwise there will be consequences. nobody fully knows who they are at 8 years old
Edit 2 years later because common sense is still gone apparently. Minors. Can't. Give. Consent. At the the time of writing this I identified as a trans guy, I was SO convinced of it for 3 years. Now, imagine where I would be rn if my parents let me go on testosterone and make other life-altering decisions. Pretty shitty situation, right? And guess what, it's irreversible. I am NOT saying trans kids don't exist. I am NOT saying what they're feeling isn't real. All I'm saying is they are better off waiting until they're an adult over literally ruining their life.
But education about the matter has to start young so they can have the proper perspective of where they can fit into society.
The surgery should have to wait until 18 for sure, maybe with two or three free therapist sessions to make sure the body dysmorphia is truly from the issue that the surgery will resolve and not some manifestation of other issues
you know, proper healthcare haha
@@ghostnoodle9721 Planting garbage only leads to thinking garbage. You obviously are quite confused about how this works. No young child should even have to consider or think about this. Why do you think people go to college when they graduate? They want to learn more get a profession. They are of the age to do so. No a young child should not have to even consider it in grade school. It is sad that you think this is funny.
Thank you!!! This shouldn’t happen at all! But to add insult to injury,the children are allowed to transition at such a young age? I thought I liked girls when I was young. I use to tell my mom that 😂 she didn’t say “ok come on let’s you hormones because I can see you like girls” wtf
I don’t think this has to do with religion anything like that. But allow them to make those changes when they are out of your home, and especially fully developed. Personally I will never allow this.
@@ghostnoodle9721 When you’re a child you should be eating your boogers and messing with bugs, not discussing these kind of things.
YEAH, THE ONLY THING WORSE WOULD BE NOT LETTING THEM, RIGHT?
When I was a kid i wanted badly to be a boy. It was miserable being a girl. I didn’t understand why I was different. If I was given the option to transition I would have taken it at that age. Now in my 30s having had my own opportunity to choose how I want to live my life, I am glad that I am female. I still dress and act masculine but I am me and I am comfortable in my body. I am glad no one tried to tell me I could change my sex when I was way to young to comprehend the lifelong implications of this kind of treatment.
Well im glad youre happy with your life ,but you also need to understand that it's your story ,not everyone else's. Many people transition as kids and dont regret it,other kids dont get the opportunity and are so devastated they kill themselves. Please dont generalize personal experiences
@@graysongirl6403
And what about the ones who transition as kids and DO regret it? The point is that kids minds are completely different then adults minds. Children shouldn’t be able to make such a life changing choice like this because it’s a likely possibility they’ll grow out of it.
I agree
Ra your comment was wise and I’m glad you had the time to think about your life.
@@legalza0843 there is literally no life changing decision that children can make. The most they can do before the age of 18 is that they can take puberty blockers, which are fully reversible. And even after they are 18, it takes a lot of gender therapy and medical examinations for a person to get cleared for surgeries. You’re not just “given” the option to medically transition as a child. The only thing you can do is social transition and puberty blockers, both are completely reversible.
I want the kid who doesn't want "big hairy legs and big muscles" to know that being a woman doesn't necessarily change that. As a woman (assigned female at birth) I had harrier legs growing up than most of the boys in my class, and I got teased a lot. I still get comments about facial hair and have gotten asked if I'm trans. I reply, "Nope, I'm just Italian" lol. If it bothers others, too bad. If it bothers me, I can just shave or wax. Most people, whether they're male or female, have hair! I understand that some people do not have hair. My point is that biological sex may determine the amount of hair, but not the presence/absence of body hair completely. Also, big muscles don't just magically appear. Some people build muscle faster because of genetics, but you don't bulk up by just existing. It's a combination of exercise and diet. I know that kid will likely never read this, but it's frustrating that people are taught that women are hairless and if they're not, something is wrong. The same goes for muscles on men. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just wanted to share my thoughts with hopes of a positive outcome and bring some normalcy to body hair :)
Lol
Too funny. I too had a lot of hair on my legs, took after my dad. Just a Latina with hair. It all falls off as you age wether you are male or female, lol…I have the smoothest legs now at 70. It does t matter as you said. I chose to epilady.
Menopause will take care of that hair but wont make you male and girls with small breasts are not more boy than other girls. Just live
@@cristinam5899 As a white girl, I always get more hair on my right leg than my left for some reason. Given, I was the one who always shaved when needed esp. during the summer time. I do not shave 100% of the time either and sorry if tmi, but sometimes I let my pits look like a dude's and my mom says: "What are you, French?"-I do know this varies from person to person that live France. Idk if it's still true or not, but I've heard that French people don't shave.
Given, I do not know a lot of the French language, I'm surprised I remembered more than what I thought I had when going on Duolingo a while back. My best friend at the time encouraged me to take French, but even without her, I think I still would have taken it. As I'm reviewing some ancestry stuff, I know my dad's side is German, my mom's side is English, but I think her side is a little French here and there. So it wouldn't surprise if her side of the family is part French.
You were not "assigned" anything. The doctor recognized that you had normal female genitalia. By normal, i mean you didn't have the genetic intersex defect anomoly
Um, has anyone else noticed how financially privileged these people are and the fact that they seem extremely fixated on gender stereotypes. Just because ur a girl doesn’t mean that u can’t be strong or into sports or a boy and still like princesses.
although half of the time that sort of stuff causes gender dysphoria. i'm a trans guy turning 15 and i'm known i was a male since i was 8. i started socially transitioning last year (no surgery, just am called by a new name and pronouns and dress differently). i personally stay away from stereotypical female things. literally i love sailor moon and it makes me doubt myself and my identity..it just proves how hard this sorta stuff is. it's so hard to try to like things assigned with your birth gender because it can bring back trauma and stuff like that.
Obviously C K doesn't understand or care.
Take care milk and don't let biggits like c k bring you down. They just mad for what ever reason.
@@elijah6496 you are completely valid in those feelings. I’m sorry it gave you more dysphoria. For me, once I started transition )and came to terms with my sexuality), I was able to express my more feminine interests without a breakdown later. It gave me a lot of strength and reassurance that I could both be a guy and have feminine interests. It didn’t make me less of a guy, and that made me really happy.
@@elijah6496 you're going at it in the wrong way, who cares? Who cares whatever you like? Why do think the stuff you like dictate your identity? There is no such thing as something made entirely for boys or for girls, people don't fit into boxes, if you like sailor moon but want to be a guy, go for it, this shouldn't change who you are. I don't know if you ever heard of bronies, they are adult males who are heavily into my little poney and most of them still see themselves are guys. You are fixated on things that are irrelevant, start living for yourself and stop caring about perceived notions.
@@elijah6496 Don't let it get you down milk, and like Zakurn said always be yourself and don't be ashamed of the things that you enjoy because they are a part of you. Those worries are more about being fifteen years old and fitting in than they are about being trans. Fifty three years ago I was a fifteen year old boy too, and was ashamed to let my friends know that I liked Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass because everyone, my self included, liked the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Doors, etc... I thought that if they ever found out how much I really liked someone who our parents might listen to, then I'd be ridiculed by my friends. Looking back I seriously doubt that they would have cared, since they liked me, but I lacked confidence in myself so I kept that pretty much hidden. :-)
You are very fortunate to have been born with loving, understanding, and encouraging parents who only want the best for you. You have the opportunity to live your whole life as who you really are. So don't get depressed over the minor worries that are natural at your stage in life. Just continue being the wonderful boy that you are, and look forward to the not so distant future when when you will have grown into being a fine man. Keep the faith! :-)
I worry that we are teaching children that not fitting binary defined roles means they are transgender. We're going to have a lot of people who grow up being told vastly conflicting things about their core gender identity. Of course, this really isn't much of a problem until hormones and surgeries which are irreversible come into play. It's a very fine line between being supportive of those who need it and pushing those who shouldn't into doing it because it's the accepted norm or trend. Extreme gray zone here, I don't see any perfect outcome really.
Yup, I agree
Yep. One of my kids was The Hulk for about a year. I liked boy clothes, and boy toys, and boy activities too. If "gender" is "just" a social construct, then the toys, clothes, etc., are all social constructs, too, and NOT about gender. And these parents who let their kids think this is normal without getting real help is abusive as hell.
Agree. The issue I have is the emotional effect it will have when they are older. Almost every one of my transgender friends say they have a completely different outlook and emotional issue now that they are older. IMO these decisions are not based on love but wanting to be accepted by their child. The lesser of two evils!!! An adult has to make decisions based upon right and wrong. If they feel this way after 21, let them do it. These kids needed counseling. There is a choice. There is no easy answer either way. I did notice these kids were more emotionally sensitive. To me, this is very alarming... I don’t understand how the parents can seriously think making these decisions based upon a child’s feelings will be great for their future. Kids are NOT adults. Why are they conversing with their children about altering their physical being at such young ages? Kids change constantly. Seriously? Talking to a 13 yr old about having a baby?? I’m sorry but I don’t agree with giving a 13yr old that much control. Otherwise we’d be letting our kids do whatever they want. If that’s so... get a job, get married, have babies and raise a family! Sorry but I don’t agree with transgender at such young ages. It’ll ruin their physical, emotional and mental state if they grow up and don’t want it anymore. Unbelievable. I do respect the kids in this video and wish them well, I just don’t agree with any of these parents. To me this is being afraid to say No to a child. 😒😞I’d rather let my child be a cross dresser until they are old enough to make a decision. Btw I have a friend who was thankful he never changed. He’s married and had a family. He goes out as a woman during the day and night and he lives a very happy life!!! He’s a great person!
I live I Washington state and our governor passed legislation a minor, as young as 13, can use their parents insurance for gender reassignment, without the parents consent. This sends a clear message of ignorance of what happens during puberty. Who didn't feel embarrassed in Jr high taking gym? Who hated how they looked, it doesn't mean yiu want to be a different sex. So appalled by this. These surgeries need extreme psychological support and counseling.
@@tinaharnack3704 Re the gov of WA signing a law allowing 13 y/os to medically transition w/o parental knowledge on parents insurance proves that *this is, indeed, a disturbing universe.*
I had what is considered “gender dysphoria (spelled “dysphoria wrong and fixed it)” growing up. I dressed up as a girl when I was little, played with Barbie’s, and even had sexual fantasies of being a girl. However, like many other thoughts and actions I was a CHILD. I thought random, stupid, and even awful things. Kids have never been given this much freedom and for good reason. If we let kids make decisions every kids hands would be burnt from touching their stove. Why are we all of a sudden treating kids like they understand themselves when we know they understand very little. Adult humans are dumb enough when they’re old enough to make decisions let’s at least protect children during their nieve years. Coming from an adult who is grateful that he grew up with rules, structure, and being told no. Also the numbers of kids struggling with this is skyrocketing because it’s being talked about and displayed. A lot of my feelings were due to exposure to pornography which is also skyrocketing for adolescents. I don’t come to judge. I’m coming as someone who can even relate to this stuff. However many are claiming love and support but don’t realize they are lacking so much structure their love and support will destroy the child. Children will not do well with overbearing religious parents but they also won’t do well with Yes whatever you want parents.
Amen! It is nothing less than child abuse. These people that indoctrinate or take normal children's Behavior as choosing to be a different gender because they chose for a while to do things or to wear things that are of the opposite sex. That doesn't mean anything. I was a girl that did the same thing. I like to wear boys clothes instead of dresses. But when I grew up, I was a woman and I couldn't be more grateful to be a woman from A to Z. Just the way God Made Me!
My exact thoughts because it's all plastered on so many social media sites that they watch it like it's the new trend. Not saying some kids aren't legitimate but still there a child. If they can't consent to having sex then how can they consent to changing there sex?!?! My son came out as gay at 7 years old and all I worry about is his safety with all the ignorance left in this world but he is 12 now and if he were to tell me he's Trans then I would tell him wait till your 18 so you cam make that choice and explain why as well as I still love him and support him no matter what but it's to dangerous to make changes this early in life.
Some kids could be actually gay.
Much of the gay community is against switching a barbie, dresses boy into a girl. Many say a sex change would have been devastating.
Thank you for sharing
*dysphoria. i’m not tryna be annoying but if i don’t know how to spell a word i want someone to tell me:]
Where are they now? Daniel is an activist, just graduated HS. Ariel is a Calvin Klein Runway model. Kyle and John are still in HS, doing better than ever.
Awesome!
Conservatives when they see kids who identified as trans in their childhood and are doing well (not complaining about being corrupted): *panik*
Personally I consider myself quite conservative, but John’s father at the end is wildly selfish. I can’t believe what I just listened to… what a shameful man.
Meanwhile the comments be full of idiots who just blindly assume they all must regret transitioning now.
They'll keep moving the goalposts.
"When they're in their 80s they're gonna regret it, TRUST ME"
@@_bermudaright. I said the same he needs to stop praying for what he wants and pray for God to give him and his family what they need.
I can’t think of a decision I made at 16 that I would make the same way as an adult
I agree. I was the biggest Tom boy. I hated dresses. I dressed like a boy. I wore a baseball hat (very rare for girls then). I behaved more like a boy. I had my hair cut very short like the boys.
But I wasn't a boy. I was a girl who enjoyed boy things. And that's okay!!
It's highly sexist to be told those things are for boys only & that if we want to do them we're born in the wrong body & we need to transition into being a boy.
It's 2023. It's okay to be yourself whatever that means. Nobody is born in the wrong body, that's impossible. But for minors surgeries & hormones are just experiments. Soon patients will be suing their doctors & their parents.
Exactly! Not many wise choices at all. Still a baby
I would probably make the same choice regarding my appendectomy. Making that choice in the company of a doctor and a parent probably helped, but some might say my parents pushed me into it.
Choices I would keep that I made at or before 16:
- Coming out at trans
- Telling people my name and pronouns
- Competing on an all female cheer team bc legally we couldn’t be co Ed but I loved the sport
- using the restrooms that aligned with my heart and my brain
- speaking to every teacher and multiple school officials about what I would my name was and why it was different
- going to a hospitalization program for my anxiety and suicidal thoughts
- ignoring my parents who told me it was ‘just a phase’
- choosing to not post on SM like everyone else my age
It's not really one decision though, it's a process that takes years.
I grew up poor so the idea of this much medical intervention as a kid is insane tbh
I understand your viewpoint, but believe me, there are plenty of poor Trans kids. Plenty. They don't have the same resources.
Same. I couldn't even get to a Dr for bronchitis or lifelong suicidal depression.
Notice that most of the kids in this documentary come from well-off families. I know three of the kids in this film personally. I really wish health insurance would cover this care.
@@ted1091 i have 2 problems. Transphobic father and no money
I find it really interesting and yet not very surprising that these kids all come from clearly affluent wealthy families and I wonder how much that influenced them into taking this route at such an early age. I'm definitely not suggesting that there aren't trans kids from poorer families. But nonetheless I don't think it can be ignored that there's a higher incidence of people from wealthy backgrounds coming out and turning to medical intervention while still children.
growing up i was ALWAYS a tomboy, always loved “boy” stuff and hated dresses (still do) never wore heels (still don’t) makeup and beauty stuff disgusted me, literally wanted to be “wild” but literally kids can act like “tomboys” and not be trans ect. as a kid i wanted to be a boy and was petrified of puberty… now that i’m 23, i thank GOD my parents didnt facilitate it because i am a woman and always will be and just because i like getting dirty, the outdoors, hanging with guys, chillin with animals over people, more guy stuff ect. doesn’t mean i’m a male, i’m 100000% female, and always have been 🤷🏽♀️
Omg someone finally Said it.....the world gone mad.....where children rule their parents ......parents no longer are raising children......sad ....really sad
okay... you were a tomboy then. who is saying that tomboys must be trans
Well I guess YOU'RE not trans. Do you understand that you are not like everybody? That is one thing an adult ought to know.
@@argusfleibeit1165 Maybe that's what YOU should know since you ARE different from most people, apparently, as is @Ivy.Huesmann. As is most everyone on this planet. Something else you should realize is that just because you are different does not mean that other people have an OBLIGATION to accept you so I'm just wondering where the condescending comment to her came from, because she was rather transparent. YOU, on the other hand should know that not everyone cares that what YOU want to have be true, but just ISN'T, IS NOT important in the big scheme of things to most people so it's best to get over THAT now.
@@KaliKush-jc9yl She's transparent that she thinks everybody with a gender dysphoria should just be a tomboy or a, what? "Sissy-girl"? Extreme gender dysphoria is very rare, but there have always been people like that. Many times in the past they just would commit suicide, so they wouldn't have to "bother" straight people with their existence. Backlash against trans people is inhumane, and they are pushing laws that take human rights away. They are real whether anyone likes it or not. And it's not harming anyone to try to support their right to live publicly.
That last line in the video says it all, I really "hope" that what we're doing is the right thing.😞
Transgenders are being pushed to be made in the image of the Baphomet, i.e. Satan: “It is from the Cabala that modern Witchcraft and the Secret Societies say they draw many of their crafts. Like Witchcraft, the Cabala teaches that man is a microcosm (miniature universe), and has both male and female elements in the Godhead [here is the Satanic and demonic origin of transgenderism]. The female element of the Godhead is found in one of the ten emanations (Sefiroth). The Shekhinah, they say, is the female element because it is the passive aspect to the Deity, the manifestation of the divine power which vitalizes all creation.” -The New Age and the Illuminati by William Josiah Sutton, page 36
What worries me is when these kids said the internet is the best place to figure out these issues... it may be, but that’s a slippery slope and even adults have a hard time figuring out what’s real and what’s bullshit.
They are just repeating what the parents or other people say to them.
By "adults" I assume you don't include doctors 'cause medical consensus is on the kids' side 🤷♀️
@@CS-nw9si no it’s not.
What is him/her pain?? , Second garde??? And what ??a peaniss??? What the fuck is this cure life
People who go through gender reassignment understand it is a lengthy process that often involves medical evaluations and serious discussions with doctors and mental health professionals to help further clarify and understand what a child is experiencing and if it corresponds to being transgender. It is not something decided on a whim.
I hope someone does a documentary on "detransitioning"...it's more common than people think
Trans success stories are way more common then confused people regretting what they did to themselves lol
There are lots of videos, a woman but n her very early 20’s, regrets it and showed the scars where she had her bests removed. She said the pressure in school to be gay or trans is probably why she did it. Teachers really pushed it. Felt very bad for her. Many more stories on You Tube.
Nancy, it's interesting that you say "it's more common than you think." It's not about what you and I think; it's about knowing the facts. Currently, the facts show about an average of 3% end up detransitioning which means it works correctly for 97%. If you watched the movie, these decisions aren't taken lightly at all. And a 97% rate of "success" is rare in any life-changing event. Don't let fears get in the way.
It doesn’t serve their agenda so they won’t show that as much as they show ignorant kids wanting to become the other gender. So sad.
Right!
Another thing I noticed is how each kid lives in a super nice house.
Rich people problems.
@@kristingallo2158 thats what I kinda wanted to say
@@ricardobarreraacordeon There's a very scary reality that the majority of the population seems to be ignoring and that's the influence from the media, tv, and music industry. Miley cyrus ran around for a long time claiming she was pansexual or bi or something, then she turns around and marries a male from old money. These children grew up with miley cyrus and will immitate her behavior. Train up a child in the way he should go, now we let children tell us what to do. Seems to be a whole lot of wrong happening these days. And very few people see it.
@@ricardobarreraacordeon all they do sit on the internet, they don't ride bikes, they're not allowed to have small jobs like delivering papers, or bagging groceries, but we let them decide their abortion rights, and life altering hormonal treatments while we don't allow them to get their ears pierced. It makes absolutely zero sense.
Child abuse. More and more clinicians have identified severe problems within gender medicine which coalesce around the clinical and cultural invention of ‘the transgender child’. These problems are: an excessively affirmative attitude to the self-identifying transgender child; an inability to stand up to external trans lobby groups; the undermining of a coherent clinical model of child and adolescent development; and serious ethical and safeguarding issues. Clinicians recognize they need to resist the dominant narrative and seemingly intractable ‘truth’ of ‘the transgender child’.
People are waking up to the harms of trans for children and young people, but transgender ideology is still marching into schools disguised as LGBT acceptance. Kids with perfectly normal unease or confusion about bodies and gender are getting dragged onto the transgender conveyor belt of affirmation, blockers, cross hormones, and surgery. LGB kids are passé. Transactivism is a form of bullying: if you’re not porn-culture straight, a proper ‘boy’s boy’ or ‘girly girl’, you must be defective, in need of fixing, by reclassification, drugs or a scalpel. My head is full of questions about why we are allowing this to happen. Is the explosion in the number of transgender-identifying young people a symptom of a society leaving little room for kids to be themselves outside of increasingly restrictive gender roles? How can we keep the conversation going to keep kids safe?
The goal of the transgender activists is to try and get their numbers up in order to normalize their agenda. They care nothing about seeing people reach a healthy view of their biology and not needing to take drugs and have their genitals and breasts mutilated. Impressionable teens make easy targets. They are even unethically influencing autistic children to change genders. Activists would have the public believe that anyone who expresses a wish to be the other gender should be allowed and encouraged to do so. To date, however, there is no evidence that there is such a thing as a “true” trans, just as there is no marker that would identify a “false” trans. To accept the thinking and wishes of those with ASD at face value, without understanding why they feel the way they do, is not a kindness, and may in fact be extremely damaging.
A high proportion of people who suffer from gender identity disorder also suffer from other mental health conditions like depression, anxiety, substance abuse, self-harm, suicidal thoughts, personality disorders and autism (see also here and here). In many of them these problems do not resolve with gender reassignment. In fact hormones and surgery deal only very superficially with what is often a very deep psychosocial problem that doesn’t lend itself to quick technological fixes.
What does it matter whether boy girl just be. You don’t have to change just be!
WOKE female doc w vocal fry, oh dear… This is unconscionable.
now that's REAL gender affirming care
The father that questioned the safety of hormone treatment breaks my heart. He just wants his child to be as safe and healthy as possible and he's right to question. Changing your body in this way isn't a magic cure to all of your problems. Puberty is a very uncomfortable and vital part of growing up.
Now, look at other countries banning puberty blockers because of the side effects. Especially destroying their bones.
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He also cares about his child's soul. Not to be insensitive bc that child seemed like one w the fiercest of convictions. I mean NO disrespect, bc I sincerely have compassion. But this is a very secular movement. My heart completely breaks for that man. But this is the stuff of Baal and Baphomet. there have always been masculine gitls.women. But God made her a female. On a religious level this is a severe abomination. I know this is considered highly offensive on the secular level, but these a re 2 different paradigms. "THY kingdom come, THY will be done. NOT ours. We can't ignore biblical teaching and the dogma of the faith when it comes to these things bc the day WILL come when we have to account before God. And that father is the only one that I saw that really seemed concerned by that. Tough situation, and my heart goes out to them all.
@@finallythere100 Good thing god doesn't exist. John's father is the only one in the entire documentary that I think is simply wrong. He's taking that stance out of his own selfish conviction, and is making a decision about his son because of how it makes himself as a father feel, not because of how his son, John feels.
@@finallythere100 not everyone believes in that thougj
Trans males aren't talked about as much as trans females. I like how this documentary included many female to male children..very interesting.
@@lunluxlum8167 I "appreciate" that you "think" you're helping by virtue signaling. BUT it seems like you missed my point entirely. I was being quite positive and I had a good point about female to male transgender stories are rarely covered in the media other than the murder of Brandon Tina. And umm helloo if I didn't make this specific distinction, how would it be known what I mean?? And.. How do you know who and what I am? Please be careful with your assumptions and use of terminology as well. Not only that, but you come across as extremely condescending. It doesn't help at all. I think you picked the wrong comment to virtue signal to. There are plenty of transphobic comments here. Please start with them, not mine.
It’s interesting that there are more female to male transitions coming forward...most of them do pass as male...sad thing about male to female transition is that some of them really should not have gone through with it...some just look like cross- dressing guys and then of course their are the really really good looking trans woman that has class and style and they pass as female
@@lunluxlum8167 Nobody can change their gender. I would suggest you take some anatomy and biology classes. I hope that helps!
@@lunluxlum8167 All due respect, trans masculine ppl and trans males are not the same. Quite similar, but not the same thing.
@@lunluxlum8167 im an ftm guy and i dont give a shit lol but you do you. the original commenter isnt misgendering or being disrespectful theyre being positive and polite lol. i dont speak for all trans people so im not saying im correct and youre wrong but you dont speak for all trans people either so dont correct where there isnt a need for correction, that just makes it harder to correct someone when its actually needed
In the 90s, my sis wanted to be called Josh for more than a year, liked to dress like a boy, and would have been considered trans today. She very well could have medically transitioned. Today she is happy as a queer woman. It seems scary to have such a young person make a physically destructive decision.
I understand the scariness for kids to make such a destructive decision like you said. I actually admired the dad for having high hopes of his daughter "Giana," to come back to being a girl. Honestly, I understand that very well, except transitioning will never ever fix every single emotion one has inside themselves. So it sounds like John already had thoughts of suicide as girl before transitioning, but refused to talk to his parents about what he felt and was going through during that time. What was causing Giana's thoughts of suicide before they decided to transition? Wasn't she the one who asked their mom to take them to a hospital late at night or something like that? Idk if his mom did that or not, but if he was taken to a mental hospital, I think they would still have their daughter, Giana.
I 100% understand about the child's happiness in all, but what about the parents' happiness? John's father consistently refusing before relenting was 100% out of tough love that not everyone understands including teens the way they should. Honestly, I don't understand why his mom didn't think it wasn't love in what his father was doing. Most kids/teens now don't understand the damage the treatments/blockers/surgery can have on them the way they should be able to understand it in. They also need to understand that transitioning will never fix their emotions the way think it will. It will not completely get rid of those suicidal thoughts-those won't disappear for good. Those thoughts can go away for a short time, but those same thoughts make their way back over time. Either way, I hope everyone in this video is hopefully doing okay 2 years later since this video was 2 yrs. ago.
@@cicicave1279Hi, just wanted to offer some thoughts. I transitioned as a teen. Before this, I was highly suicidal. Since I transitioned I was never suicidal again. It has been almost 10 years and I’ve never wanted to die since, not even close to the kind of depression I used to experience.
You are correct, transitioning will not solve someone’s problems. But it can solve many for many of us. It is important to go in with a healthy mindset of what transition will and will not do.
I don’t think minors should transition - that sounds hypocritical. But I agree it is a huge decision. However I wanted to offer a counter perspective to yours from someone who has been through the process. Thanks
@@hp51877 Just wondering, but prior to transitioning, did you ever talk to your parents, your best friend, a teacher, a counselor, or therapist about what you had been feeling and your thoughts of suicide? Honestly, trying to figure out what's causing ur thoughts of suicide is the 1st step. The 2nd step: To talk to your parents and seek out a therapist first and choosing to transition should be the absolute last resort for most people imo and not the first resort like so many jump too quickly on.
Given everyone gets themselves involved in social media a little too much to the extent that it does brainwash everyone and it makes think they're someone they're really not. I'm glad you no longer have those thoughts, but my biggest issue for everyone whether minor or not is both the top and bottom surgeries since both can cause irreversible damage to those who transitioned when at a young age. One day I came across Chloe Cole's story where she was a transman at one point, got top surgery I think at age 13, and by the time she was 15, that was about the time if not way prior to that that regret about top surgery had set in for her. When she was 15, she started thinking about wanting to have kids one day and also wanting to breast-feed them (which b/c of that surgery, she knows she will never able to do that). These are the main issues that so many kids/teens and some adults don't understand until years later down the line. Some may not want kids right now and some may think they would never want kids, but then sometime down the line in their own future, they do want kids. I'm glad you've had no thoughts of suicide since transitioning, but when it comes to any surgery, carefully reflect on that if you haven't gotten any surgeries yet.
@@hp51877 Also, why did you feel like you couldn't live your life in your biological body? Idk if you're a transman or transwoman. But for the case of a biological woman becoming a man; tomboy girls with short hair exist out there in the world. 1 of my prior jobs, I accidentally mistook a really tall very tomboy teen girl for a boy by accident. And she also had her ears pierced and she gets mistaken as a boy all the time and she's never once cared at all by that. She was a full-blown tomboy without a care in the world which is awesome imo b/c she was and probably still is being her 100% true self in her biological body. As it'd be weird to see biological men wearing skirts and dresses in public, but if it's in ur biological body, who cares? Drag queens are completely different since they're literally putting a woman persona on for adult shows or what should be adult shows only. Yeah, it'd be awkward at first, but I wouldn't care if a little boy or even a biological man wore a dress in public.
@@cicicave1279hi, thanks for your respectful questions. I don’t really know why I couldn’t live in my biological body. It wasn’t really about having short hair or things like that but more so all the aspects of living in my old body were extremely uncomfortable - everything physical associated with being that sex that came with it. It feels as though the wires in my brain are crossed somehow where my brain doesn’t connect at all to my biological sex. I couldn’t have a relationship or have sex at all with anyone. Now i have a good sex life. I didn’t like being touched or looked at before. Even with friends. I wish I knew why, but really I don’t.
I pray for all these children that they don’t regret what they have done, but I believe they will.
Trans children exist. Trans people exist.
These stories are just so sad. Just heartbreaking 😢
What makes you think that?
maybe they wont'...I regret not having done it while I was a kid. And no, I am not talking about hormones which wasnt available in 184 that much, Im talking about social transition.
@@ghostieknight3810 they are not mature enough to understand it, I think it is just an immature part of themselves as kids
"None of these medications are approved for children." Oh well!
I honestly would be very worried about that
This is what got me. The non chalance with which they describe that they’re essentially just making hasty decisions because these things are not approved.
Hmmmm, like the corona. vaccine.
Science only matters when you’re talking about climate change. When it comes to using kids as guinea pigs, it’s all good.
You can't legally get meds till 18
I really disagree on completely transitioning during childhood because if there's any slight chance of regret aftwards, there's almost no turning back. Even if one knows they are physically and mentally different from birth, it should be no younger than the age of 18. Start out with loving the child for who they are, keeping them nurtured, help build strong relationships, strong attachments, meaningful values, etc. They can decide what they want, but give them the building blocks of good decision making. In other words, the usual parental upbringing. There's a big reason for the age of 18.
True, when I was a kid, I wanted to be a girl, but now I’m glad I was born a boy. Sometimes, some kids doesn’t need transition in their childhood, all they need is time to decide
I think the research is going to show otherwise - that it's the delay that causes the most enduring damage. If you listen to these young people carefully, you soon recognize that they are wise beyond their years. They speak with a maturity that is actually disarming. It demands a certain respect. They know who they are - or more importantly, who they are not. I understand the concern. I think it's really important that they're not isolated- and that goes for the parents as well. You shouldn't go through this alone.
Also, after my last comment, what about cost? If a child is sensible and understand that some parents cannot afford to have things like hormone blockers, children are really good of not dealing with it in that sense because they understand what the family can afford or not. Those hormone blockers and the like or at least I think $10,000? For I don’t know how many shots? Hey, if you can afford it, and will do the risk, I suppose it’s your call. But there is a long-term deficit that could happen.
@@miraarcilla6091 are you actually affected by this issue? If not, why are you commenting on something that doesn't affect you?
I’m sorry if I seem strong about this, but I just see too many children having a necessary chemical hormone treatments and similar events at younger and younger ages. We already have an obesity problem in children, we are already having medical issues in children, why now do we need more chemical transformations? I’m commenting the fact that there are too many parents who just don’t except children the way they are. I was brought up in a family, and I am blind. Obviously I did not need chemical needs, but my parents were always excepting of me being who I am. I have just seen too many people with so many ailments. There’s some thing about having acceptance from families that may it a lot easier for children to except them selves and except the fact that if I need to do this when I have a job, and when I’m an adult, I understand. Meantime I’m glad my family except me for who I am, what I do, and enjoy the moments that I have with them. That’s why I comment. I know that I don’t have a lot to do with this, but I have also seen children that have been excepted fully and warmly by their parents to do whatever without having chemical transformations. The fact that if you do these chemical things, you are more prone to diseases, lower immune system‘s, etc. We don’t need more of that as a society. That’s why am doing it.
Imagine allowing a 6yr old ti drive your family car. NOT A CHANCE RIGHT.... So HOW THE HECK can parents allow a child to make a decision As huge and life changing as this. IT IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE
This seems so obvious. How can a young child make such a life altering decision with any kind of competence.
I agree to a point. If I had been allowed to be open with loving parents about my transgender feeling, when I was six, maybe I would have spent the rest of my life wishing I would have had the courage to change my gender and maybe my genitals to match my feminine brain. It has been 70 years of trying to be masculine to live up to the expectations of others: sports, body building, church, marriage, children, male profession and continuous thoughts of guilt, going to hell and disappointing others. Good parents would have listened, gotten experienced counselling and possibly started the child on puberty blockers
…..if warranted, by age 12. And then let the child learn how to make an informed decision at age 18 or later, before their body get hairy, their beard grows out, they get a triangular torso and heavy brow, chin, Adam’s Apple, voice, all of which are very hard and expensive to reverse, if the child chooses to transition. And that happens enough of the time to give them a chance to make up their own mind and not suffer the fate of most in-the-closet transgenders, like I had been. Maybe “I WOULD NOT have spent the rest of my life wishing I would have had the courage…..” (left out the “not” in the above response). Take care.
Valid opinion.I agree
Agree 100%
Crying seeing John have a conversation with his dad.. such a sad story. İ really wish all the best to John and Alex
The kid said "i found out i was trans from a youtube video" And try to tell me they're mature enough to make a decision like this. i feel for these kids and the parents though, i know this is probably so hard to go through
The kid knew something was off and didn't know what to call it until seeing the video is how I took it.
@@jaynekranc8607 yeah well that is called a self-diagnosis, which can be very murky territory even for adults to do, let alone children who haven't fully developed mentally/physically.
@@JaneDoe-ql9ye but people do it all the time.
That response made me fear the long reaching influence social media really has. I'm in my 40s, internet wasnt really as mainstream until I was in my teens, cellphones didn't really become mainstream until I was 17, so I can't imagine how much more technology is ingrained in today's generation than when it first became popular
@@jaynekranc8607 "People do it all the time" doesn't mean it's ok.
Watch for the lawsuits in 15 - 20 years from now.
Yep!!
coming from the future to tell u they are starting to happen now
OMG!!!! I have been thinking the exact same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess I just wasn't ready for this. I hope that all turns out well, I just grew up in a society where parents made the decisions until you were grown enough to.
All medical decisions including trans healthcare are decided in consultation with doctors, parents, and of course the children themselves. When I was in high school 20 years ago a girl got breast reduction surgery to help deal with back issues she was having. The same process was followed. She complained, the parents confirmed the complaint was recurring and not a fleeting thing, they went to a doctor who confirmed with the medical literature that this would help, and the procedure was done. Literally nobody had an issue with it because no politician was trying to sell them something using fear.
AS IT SHOULD BE AND CONTINUED TO BE. Have you ever thought about all the crazy things you wanted as a kid and think what happened if your parents actually indulged you? Transitioning, especially for young children is for the most part IRREVERSIBLE, despite the lies and misinformation of tran activists.
@@paxanaparsons8054a breast reduction is much different because it’s been done for years and we know the long term effects. These doctors are saying this is experimental and they don’t know the long term effects.
@@paxanaparsons8054 🤡
@@elenabarraza681 how can it be experimental if it was being done 20 years ago? Nobody heard about this five years ago, even trump said that. It's just another fake issue to keep you afraid and voting against your interests.
Let them be children…they have plenty of time to figure this out.
They are being children
It would be interesting to do a follow-up on these kids
This video is actually old. For instance, Alex is in his 20s now and Ariel is a Calvin Klein model and has appeared on the cover of Vogue. Those are the only 2 I've heard or read about.
@@stephentaylor8339 Somehow I just knew Ariel would be in the public eye. She is just so freaking awesome. Outspoken, smart, and very well spoken. I"m so happy for her! I hope John and Alex are doing ok. I was worrying about them.
These kids are brave.
@@lmo7724they are kids. Like a bunny is brave bc it lives in the wild. Kids are young & naive, easily manipulated, and vulnerable.
@@stephentaylor8339 Daniel is 18 and a photographer if I remember correctly, I've seen him in a few random ads too, he's looking happy :)
Don't get me wrong, I'm really glad Alex has friends but the rhetorics they're pushing onto him are kinda toxic.
His friends are terrible ! I hope he finds some better male role models than mr. “treat her like you don’t even like her” & the guy who keeps using the wrong pronouns .
welcome to life as a man
@@xoEmilyAnnexo11 I think that tactic with the opposite sex is used by both genders. I (an adult woman) used it myself back in the day.
@@teresaburton4145 doesn’t make it right . Today or back then .
They are teaching him how to be an asshole. He's already a guy, he doesn't need to be "taught". It's all toxic masculinity and stereotypes.
I’m pretty sure I would have transitioned from a girl to boy from the age 4 to 17 if i could have but as I got older things changed and I embraced and loved myself for who I am and live with discomforts just like everyone else. Sometimes it makes me wonder if gender roles under the age of 18 is a bad thing as it’s easier for girls to dress and act like boys growing up but not guys acting like girls and getting away with it
I really appreciate your thoughts. I too wonder.
I personally feel like it is getting way too easy for that happen and that is a scary situation when you break it down..
Especially before puberty. Our bodies and brains have not developed thru the changes they will have and are no where near what they will become. Making such a decision as a very young child seems unwise to me.
Gender roles absolutely are a bad thing. And the reason that it's easier for girls to dress like boys than the other way around is misogyny. Simple as that.
@@kimberini6465 To you, maybe. What seems unwise to me is telling a child "you have to suffer until you're at least18"
What a good father, not allowing his kid and wife to bully him into agreeing to something against his conviction. He was definitely the wise one, acting as a father should, in the best interest of his child.
she divorced him hehe
I want to see a follow up 20 years from now.
Exactly
Correct, all those kids are going to be on medication for life with a lot of health problems any endocrinology with ethics will not agree with this madness no medical doctor should allow this experiment with kids, gender can't be changed.
Look at Jazz Jennings. That did not pan out. Jazz never went thru puberty and the poor thing has had 3 bottom surgeries, 3.. and it’s still non functional and she’ll never orgasm.. she has terrible social anxiety and she even put on a ton of weight, probably just from all the stress. I hope things go well for her but it’s not looking good. Poor thing. What happened to seeing people for their souls.. the only thing that truly matters. The inside.
I do too bc I’m willing to bet at least half of these kids have since changed their minds & got over this popular social media phase ..
I'd like to see that too. It's been almost 8 years already...
“I used to say she but then I might correct myself and say he. I’ve gotten better at it.” That same kid two seconds later “yeah I had no idea SHE changed HER name”
cut to look of vague discomfort from alex
Probably reading a script
It's hard to ignore biology. They're always gonna know she's a biological female and it's just natural to use the pronoun that first comes to mind.
Nobody should feel bad about that.
@@demoskunk yes they should. he identifies as a male and should be referred to and seen as one no matter how well he passes.
He
I grew up around boys and expressed myself as a boy (tomboy) playing football/basketball and wanting to be just like my older brother because I looked up to him. I even tried peeing standing up lol. And still my parents never encouraged the idea that I was actually a boy. Even though they never discouraged how I expressed myself. If they endorsed the idea, at such a crucial time in my life, that my nerves about puberty and becoming a woman was an indicator that I didn’t actually want to be a woman I wouldn’t be who I am today. And I’m so proud to be a woman. Kids don’t know how these drastic changes will effect them in the long run
I could’ve written your comment word-for-word. Exact same situation as mine.
Which is why it is not only the child working through this but the parents, doctors and therapists. This is not a hasty decision.
Not the same as having severe feelings of dissatisfaction about being your gender.
@@Marz859 no it’s not the same.. And that’s why parents shouldn’t jump straight to hormones and procedures.. I agree with the comment before you. Therapy and time, and when a child turns into an adult only then should they be able to consent to life altering choices for THEMSELVES. Not as a child with the parents consent.
@@primagiedi3775 Please read my comment above. It is not a "jump" decision. And hormones before puberty is sometimes critical. But the decision is always made by a group of professionals, parents and the child.
What strikes me is how mature so many of these kids are. Depression and having to learn to advocate for yourself will do that to you, I know. But they all have resounding emotional intelligence too. There are some teens and kids you talk to who sound smart, may be book smart, but you still feel like, 'Yeah, I'm talking to a child.' So many of these kids, though? Even the hyperactive or silliness doesn't offset the feeling of speaking to someone who has had to grow up way too fast. It's both humbling and sad. I hope they will eventually get to live the lives they've envisioned for themselves, without having to constantly waste mental energy on having to justify their existence. I hope the are able to build up strong friendships and familial relationships as the foundation of their happiness.
Well said!
I wish there wasn't so much focus on affluent, middle class families with children going through this
Not as many poor people have a focus on gender issues. They’re too busy just trying to survive.
@Übermensch Lussenhorf There was also a half-Indian kid (Singh) featured, as well as a half-black kid... (with the dad who refused to compromise and accept his child)
@@TheSnyderWeb Wealthy people who i can 100% bet you are should not speak on behalf of folks living with poverty. Your assumption is false. It is only compounded and worse. Gender non-conforming folks who are also poor just have both to deal with. The problem here is the lack of representation. the fault and blind spot of the production crew,those who selected the interviewees.
Lily Evans interesting that you said you “100% bet” I’m wealthy, while also complaining I’m making assumptions. Aren’t you also making an assumption? (By the way, your assumption is wrong, I’m not wealthy, never have been)
That’s because it’s a rich kid problem.
At this point it is basically an experimental treatment. We will see later how this worked for them. I hope it gives them the happiness they hoped for.
No it's not. Puberty blockers have been used on transgender people since at least the 1940s. Information about that was some of the first stuff to be burned by Hitler
And these doctors saying: there are some side effects but nothing to worry about. They don't know that, and these kids are guinea pigs.
2 of the fathers raising the right issues.
What I have learned from this presentation is that children can be very dramatic and changable. And making these irreversible decisions before brain maturity is going to bite many of them in the butt
It is reversible albeit with some side effects
@@margaretgarana911 They literally said so many times in the video that many things are irreversible.
For such an incredibly touchy and difficult topic, I don't think it's as easy as y'all think. These issues are incredibly complex. If you had a kid/teen who was very close to committing suicide. I would like to believe that many of y'all would want to help them in any way you can. So far, research indicates that most don't regret transitioning. Why is that so hard to understand?
💯 I’m so glad I watched this documentary. I hope these young people and their families are doing well!!
Man listening to the 17 year old question if he made the right decision is heart wrenching
I kno and that is why these parents don't need to let 5 year old kids make decisions and take blockers at young age its doctors playing God bc they can't actually make them oone or the other what I wanted at 5 isn't what I wanted at 25 u know reason kids don't make decisions parents do
he didn't.
So kids when they take wrong decisions we stop them coz its wrong and that's wath parents do....now we let confused kids to take massive decisions gonna infected they life in the future ..wath kids want in age of 5 year old is not wath they want when they 18 years old...instead of telling 5 or 6 or 10 year's old that's u are a girl u borne as a girl and really look at the problem way my child want to change?we let them change and maybe regret that massive decision in the nearest future and hate they parents for not stop them...
However for me personally the hole idea its about how much money i have to spend in surgery and medication so my child find his fools happiness?i think the hole thing is generated and sponsored from big pharma ...coz we talking about big market here...billionsof dollars and next thing it will be sponsoredand pay by government..and that wath big pharma want on the cont of children.if parents dont know really way they child dont know how they are really....thats a big fuck up from parents....i blame the parents...
@@momochef463 - a school nurse can lose professional license and be charged with crime of falsely practicing medicine by giving a student a Tylenol w/o a Dr. order signed BY A PARENT.
@@momochef463 - PS, even if a student has a severe asthma attack and has no inhaler (or ran out) school nurses specifically taught they must NOT administer same prescription from another student, only to call 911 - even if in an area where ambulance would take too long tom arrive and child is dying in front of us. Things are really screwed up.
Really curious to see a follow up episode
14:38 This woman just admitted she is using medications out of their prescribed methods to illicit physical changes within a child. She literally just said she is EXPERIMENTING ON THESE CHILDREN!
Since when have children run the household? The best thing a parent can do is lead a child with the power of saying, “No”.
I grew up liking boys clothes, toys, shoes etc… but never did I think that I should be a boy. I was known as a “Tomboy” . I am still a female and glad my parents did not think of me as a boy or think I should change my gender.
This doc is so misleading
Okay? it isn't about you. If you're trying to relate this to the documentary did you even watch it? The parents of the kid literally said they thought he was a tomboy, not a boy, even after he said he wished he was one and said he was uncomfortable. The parents heard what he was saying, but still addressed him as a girl. It was only when things were getting serious that they allowed him to be a boy.
@@Raspberryheaven.crazy. Thanks Theo- sorry you misinterpreted what I was sharing with everyone- it is easy to miss the point and in sharing my thoughts- you missed my point
@@kimb2379 Sorry, I guess I interpreted your comment wrong. Could you share what you meant in your comment? Or the point you were trying to make?
That fact that you never thought you should be a boy means you are not trans. That does not mean trans people do not exist.
Unfortunately, these kids will feel pressure to follow through with a transition now that they've shared their stories. But they need to know, everyone feels uncomfortable with who they are at that age. You still have a choice. Don't take that choice away forever.
You refuse to just because they are who they are. You just can't fathom that they are actually Trans. You are willfully being ignorant.
@HolyHammerOfByzantium common sense is one thing, being educated on a people you have no clue about is another.
@@erinlevere6881 you don’t know these people either. Maybe they’re truly trans. Maybe they’ll change their minds. That’s not “willfully being ignorant.” It’s reality.
@@NotTheThngsUSaid yea but if you have no experience with Trans people maybe you should hush and listen to them instead of being pessimistic out of ignorance. You don't have enough knowledge.
I'm Trans and I was once was a child feeling the same way and I wish I had that support. But I grew up in the 80s and 90s so that wasn't going to happen back than people were even more ignorant.
@@erinlevere6881 everyone’s story is different. And I have tons of experience with many trans people….
It’s amazing how EVERYONE and EVERYTHING has to be shoved aside to accommodate the trans kids. Writing fictional Disney princess names that change every day of the week just to be able to address your grandchild?!! The friends sit and berate themselves for being TOO accommodating and everything centers around how the trans kid feels while nobody cares or discusses how the rest of the kids feel about something so bizarre and definitively dysfunctional and unnatural as to deny one’s genitals and gender and attempt to approximate the opposite gender. I have no issues with true trans people but it shouldn’t be done during formative childhood years. And the rest of humankind shouldn’t be shamed into celebrating it as a positive thing when it’s proven to carry tragically heightened rates of suicide and mental health issues-it shouldn’t be promoted as ‘gender affirming’ when it’s by definition gender denial. This is social engineering at this rate when it’s .005 % of humans who are trans yet they entire world is in a tailspin destroying women’s sports, motherhood, biology, language, psychology and all to assuage less than one percent of the human population.
PREACH!
I have no issues with true trans people but it shouldn’t be done during formative childhood years. - Right yeah lol, let them go through the wrong (for them) puberty, develop secondary sex characteristics like big breasts, facial hair, wrong (for them) figure, wrong voice, so they will 10 times a harder time laters trying to *change* it all instead of delaying all of the development so they could save numerous surgeries later.
Sounds fckn productive lol. Make people suffer more, look worse, have harder time passing, spend unholy amount of money on more operations, let them go through more pain of those operations.
Just cause someone like you doesnt like something that he has no relations to. Yep, thats sounds right
so true i agree 100%
Thank you for saying it. Most of the other comments here are just crazy.
You know it's truly sad that you can't open your heart & allow yourself to feel compassion for the brave families who have allowed these extremely difficult conversations & decisions to be filmed so others could truly see what these families experience. Not everyone feels the way you feel or believes the things you believe, and that is ok- but if you can't open your mind to have the compassion & understanding that your human experience isn't the experience that everyone else in the whole world has... well I feel sorry for you. You don't have to "celebrate" the things that you can't understand- but you're a pretty shitty person if you can't find the compassion for those who follow a different path then you. Also this is youtube- it's not being forced on you... if you don't agree with it- move along!! I'm sure you can find other small minded content that makes you feel warm & fuzzy.
What a wonderful and insightful documentary. More people need to watch this.
These kids are so eloquent. I was never that mature at those ages. I want these kids to know that there are people out here that support them and love them.
One child said where the problem is, it's social media. my social media was my family growing up. Aunt's and uncle's help me make choices along with parents I had some really hard times.i feel so bad for the children these days .
Wow. True
I agree, social media can be very toxic.. especially for a child's mind :(
I wanted to be European starting at age 11 but looking back, it was all due to being bullied. Trump made me snap out of it & I was no longer a registered Republican.
I did turn out to have %45 European, %5 African DNA but what I embraced the most now is being %50 American.
I think TikTok especially and Tumbler and all the semi-secretive social media "clubs" are totally twisting our alienated (from the lockdowns) k-12 vhildren into a weird group...adults, too. I've never been as generally unhappy and confused as well as losing my creativity than I have been since Jan 2020. It's almost like giving everyone super depressive drugs....
so so true!
Shout out to those boys who took Alex under their wings. You can see in Alex’s eyes how important their acceptance was to him.
At the end of the day, everyone just wants to be accepted for who they are.
You tell a kid he’s a boy he thinks he’s a boy you offer a kid unhealthy food he’ll say he likes fast food
@@JohnDoe-rk7ej I disagree. For example, I grew up in a very religious household, and was very devout as a child/teen/college students. However, I am now 24 and am no longer part of the religion I grew up with, even though it was one I was born into.
For real! You can see how much their acceptance means to him!
on the one hand, I thought it was nice they took him under their wing, but on the other hand, they were misgendering him and giving him bad advice. As a mom, I was very concerned for Alex.
@@gabbym333 What you are describing in your comment and what this video is about are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS. You're not only comparing "apples" and "oranges", you're comparing BOWLING PINS to TUPPERWARE.😐
it seems like kyle had a hole in his heart because as a masculine person, he needed a masculine person to look up to and nurture him. but his father refused to be that person and made kyle feel as though that lack of love was *his* fault. it is only my opinion but i think that's why he was so deeply depressed. i am wishing him and all these youth nothing but the best. they deserve to thrive and share their stories.
That certainly didn't help the situation
I think the dad was being cautious
Kyle's dad isn't transphobic and doesn't not love him.Loving someone means being concerned for them and his dad has very warranted concerns about the fact that hormones manifest permanent changes ESPECIALLY if you take them longterm. All anybody needs to do is search detransition on youtube to find accumulating numbers of people who have detransitioned and the extreme hardships they've gone through and in most cases are still going through today. Also there's a disproportionate number of FTM who detransition, way more biological girls who transition end up detransitioning than boys. Many of these girls now have permanently deepened voices and hair loss and facial changes that can't be reversed and they will have to live with that the rest of their lives. I empathize with these kids and feel horrible that they have to go through this but if I were a parent I don't think I could ever agree with them pursuing as a child extreme medical intervention that not only has permanent changes but also has openly acknowledged UNKNOWN risks. And many many people who detransition do so in early adulthood after realizing they completely misunderstood their issues. They will spend much more of their life as adults than they will as kids so if that was something they were convinced they wanted to do then they could do so as an adult. Thankfully I'm never having kids so neither me nor my nonexistent child will ever have to go through that.
Kyle is a butch lesbian. They should have supported her like that. The “You have to wear a dress!!!” made her feel like she had to “become a man” bc of her natural masculinity.
We as parents should reinforce our children to love who they are and it should start accepting their bodies. These kids would be in drogs and treatment their whole life!
You can't guarantee they would turn to drugs. That's a very ignorant comment to make as there are MILLIONS of drug addicts and not even a quarter of those are bc of the Trans issue but bc they liked the feeling of being dumb from some other trauma or lack of support at home.
I think he was refering to cross-sex hormones. Those are drugs and they have quite a few side effects.
Wanting to play with the opposite sexes toys or wanting to wear their clothes when you're a kid, DOESN'T MEAN YOUR TRANS
But being trans, does mean your trans. Gender is not biological
Some people need attention, the parents.
@@cerveza2297 yeah, transphobic parents. If you have a trans kid that lays awake at night wishing they were the opposite gender and crying then you have failed as a parent
100%
@@r5014 correct. But the ones who are trapped in the wrong body, and suffering, and know they their true gender, ARE trans
This is a mental health issue and should be addressed in that way. I feel for those who feel different but not be encouraging to accept that there is no help other than transition.
Yep
I challenge your "empathy". I very strongly doubt how much you "feel" for them.
@@GR8APE69 I bet you do. Sounds like the emotional, intellect of a 12 year old. Most of the time people say stuff like that when in reality that's how they feel. I challenge that you feel for people with cancer??? I mean what kind of immature thing is it to say something like that? It's easy to be rude and disrespectful behind a computer screen. You should really consider what you say before you type it. I challenge you to grow up, open your mind and put yourself in someone else's shoes. It's amazing that you think you know who your talking too..lolololol 😂😂😂 - Don't bother with your out of breath reply because Im in the sport of replying one time. 😊
No it’s not ask me any questions about being trans it’s not a choice
I completely agree and it is sad they refuse to see this.
Parents who believe children have the maturity to do damage irreversable to themselves is unforgivable. Love your child & let them grow up & go through puberty like humans are suppose to do. Parents are gonna be in trouble with their offspring 10 years from now.
You're not educated on this, shut up
I really hope you don’t have a kid.
Maybe you would understand if your were trans. It feels awful.
Instead of using puberty blockers perhaps some Zoloft or Lexapro will help…..
parents who love their children will listen to their needs and support them.
@@zestyt2059 parents who love their kids don’t mutilate them
26:00 so they sent this boy into the girls locker room, knowing damn well it was a boy and subjected everybody else’s kids to what day one to do and what they believe just to protect one child’s feelings they put everybody else at risk just think about the selfishness of that insanity at its finest
When the kids were talking about how great the internet is, especially UA-cam, and the one boy said "UA-cam is how I found out I was trans." That just made me cringe... 😬 The idea that such a huge, life altering decision is made because of a UA-cam video is disturbing to me.
I thought XY or XX chromosomes determine our sex/gender. Not a UA-cam video.
I cannot believe that ANYONE would listen to a child this young and make such a drastic change. I cannot believe that doctors went along with it. ugh
wtf did you not learn from this?? this was NOT a "drastic" change! They did not wake up one day and say "I'm a ...(opposite gender)" and they went to the dr and got a shot that day. This goes along with YEARS of observation and counseling. When you actually pay attention to your own kid you KNOW something is going on inside them. The world is not black and white and NATURE ISN'T PERFECT.
I've just read so much about people de transitioning because they made this decision while they were young and their minds were still growing and they all regret it. I dont think its right for those hormones blockers that are recommended for children should be handed out. I wish the best for these kids I really do.
I had a female friend as a kid. She was grown up being a tom boy. At puberty she embraced her femaleness and she became a beautiful girl and now a mom. Leaving kids to make such a huge decisions for a just not very smart. They are not even capable of choosing the most beneficial food, let alone gender.
Being a tom boy is not the same thing 🙄
@@electricbop Exactly my point.
I see patterns of persistence among the children and I can also see why the parents give in.
I am so angry at all these parents, when I was 6 my neighborhood kids ganged up on me and told me I looked like a boy and was ugly and threw something really sticky onto the front of my shirt (who knows). They probably just wanted me to go away but like kids do they said really mean things to get me to go home. I went home and cried and told my mom what they said and she put me up on the bathroom counter in front of the mirror and helped me clean the sticky stuff off, she brushed my hair and put a pretty bow in, I believe she let me wear her lipstick too, she told me I was so beautiful all the time and sometimes kids are just real mean for no real reason, she brought me out of that broken lost and ugly feeling, she played with me and loved me and made sure that I knew those kids were mean, not right. She wanted me to promise to never hurt anyone like that because I now know how horrible it feels. I believed her because she was my Mama, I am so thankful she was mine! I was born in the 80’s luckily, I bet now days Mothers can not share their sad stories of their children’s emotions and pains without getting ridiculed or called in to CPS or something. Sick
I am a Mama now and love being a woman, I didn’t know a thing yet at 6 and I am glad my mom was being a mom for me in that desperate time.
What a wise and loving mother.
Exactly, at 6 don’t know much so if you have a deep powerful pervasive persistent feeling that your body & brain don’t match- people should listen
That is absolutely nothing to do with these kids experiences
@@gingertwerk472 it figures that a person like you would use 'twerk' in their name
This is a complete different situation...
When I was little girl I have no idea about gender stuff but it doesn’t means my parents should tell me that I can live a life like man if I want to. This is so insane. Children parenting their parents this days unfortunately
100% agree...
Amen
Holy shit, John’s dad won’t even let him change his name, which could literally be changed back. Glad John is over 18 now and I hope he is finally free.
And how he says "I don't know if this is God's path for 'her'" but you know that it's not His plan for him either.
@@Sara-hy1kz and how he always says ''its a big thing to ME'' "MY thoughts'' or ''I dont belive'' like, yeah but its not about you, its about your kid, that is crying at your feet asking for this
What a selfish father. Loving your child is accepting them for who they are. I hope John gets to be who he was made to be.
@@b.amelia1348 She was made a girl. However it's sad to see the pain.
Her
Im 42old woman, I'm just watching my 6 month old daughter try to crawl.
I wished to born as boy in childhood. I liked behave snd play like boys. I felt ashamed when someone told me I should have been a guy. hmm,,, yes, I would like. "
If you asked me when I was 20, 22, 24, if I want to be born a boy, my answer would be:,, Nooo, ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!" .
I was a beautiful girl, very skillful, action, brave.
Around the age of 24, I wouldn't change anything in my life. I remember moment, when I realized that...
.. I feel physical nausea at the thought of being a kid now.
if it didn't cost thousands of euros, DEFINITELY !! I WOULD DEFINITELY UNDERGO A TRANSITION !!
NEITHER OF THOSE CHILDREN HAS A CHANCE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE LOST, NOT A SINGLE ONE
. they have wasted years thinking and imagining transformation, the transition It will take several years and I don't believe they will be happy at the end
. PARENTS, YOU don't know handle puberty hormonal fluctuations in your children and you let them cripple. You who are supposed to protect them from themselves, because their brains are not developed enough to protect themselves. Children are a gift. They do not come into the world to spend half their lives transforming the body shell, but to live their lives and give this opportunity to their children
These kids sound like their parenting themselves instead of the parent being the parent
Child-led parenting is biologically sound, it is authoritarian parenting that creates neurodevelopmental distress
@@CD-uf1lt I disagree children do not have enough life experience to raise themselves which is the reason why they’re given to parents full grown adults and not popping out of the sky as an infant raising them selves
@@payaj2815 the science of neurological development disagrees with you opinion. It’s child-led, not child-in-isolation-of-adult-guidance
It is because when you are trans you think, feel and see things diferend. That makes you older
@@emytann7838 that's a lode of BS. Children are sponges and pic up what is around them. I wonder how much social media time a day these kids get. Sexuality and gender do not have any influence in the maturity level of a child.
16:18: "It's harder to be gender non conforming than to be transgender and fully transitioned"
BINGO.
Not saying being trans isn't a real thing - dysphoria is absolutely real and awful - but I wonder how many kids are simply gender non conforming and transition thinking it'll just be "easier" to be the opposite sex and fit in more that way once they've fully transitioned.
Please delete this do you know that black trans woman fought for the entirety of LGBT rights since the beginning and up to 30 are murdered per month while only ONE or TWO non binary people are murdered per month??? Also not to invalidate any struggle a non binary person goes through, however, their dysphoria clearly only surrounds social transition and not medical as what you’re describing is that them medically transitioning is inevitably harmful to them due to them being pressured??? People have their own choices- that’s what being trans is about. If you can’t own your decisions and be confident that you’re making the right one without societal pressure then u need to learn independence and how to think for yourself. Why you getting a damn surgery just cuz someone told you to??? Like, tf??
Let me know if I misunderstood something pls ?? I’m perplexed
@@reisuke_6030 they're saying that a lot of people assume that they are binary trans but after sitting with themselves for awhile, realize that they were less binary or more gender non conforming, and perhaps if they medically transitioned so young as just a natural course of things, they didn't get to realize that until later. most detransitioners do not actually regret transitioning as it helped them reach clarity of person, and ive seen quite a few stories of non binary trans people who did medically transition assuming that they felt one way & then still felt dysphoria so continued to transition in an opposite direction until they reached something that felt more correct. i also feel that comparing people's struggle's by who gets murdered the most is a little nasty. oppression olympics is never cute. non binary people have a spectrum of types of dysphoria and therefore a spectrum of ways that they transition. and the person in the comment above was describing gender non conformity. you can be cis or trans and gnc.
@@reisuke_6030 wtf are you even talking about???
It’s seems strange that minors can make permanent life altering decisions that are irreversible. My heart goes out to all of these kids. Maybe there should be a law that says you can’t go through this kind of change until your at least 18. Some people grow up and change their mind, by than it’s too late !
Totally agree
I just want to say, the 18 law was made many years ago to support the parents On Laws Like these because young adults truly aren't capable of making life decisions, let alone younger than ever before children!! ( Babies beginning at 3 years old ). To me this law is absurd and to be honest the new abortion law they want to pass is barbaric, and I don't necessarily disagree with abortion in certain cases until a certain time they are talking about a day before the actual due date I think it's sickening what in the hell are these people trying to do God have mercy on their souls.
but if you're not trans, how would you know?...
For trans kids and teens every day that goes by in the wrong gender cannot be recuperated. You could never understand that feeling of desperation. You don't know what it's like to have sleepless nights worrying about the impotence growing into the wong body and you can do nothing about it. And to top it off, it worse when you know that you have parents that are ignorant and/or intolerant.
mary Catherine baxter says that satan let more the demons out of hell. and enter the mothers woom to pervers children. this is not god doing this. i rebuke this in the name of jesus Christ name
@Bob Bobbington that's just not true.
I hear a lot of these kids using the stereotypical, ideological language instead of describing things in their own words. That concerns me.
So sad. Young children are not capable of understanding all this and making such life-changing decisions. So very sad. Heartbreaking.
Exactly. No parent would let a kid get tattoos for a reason: it's permanent and people change.
you thought you ate didn’t you 💀😭
Search detransitioning and see how many of these children changed back and or committed suicide.
@@AlternativeHomesteading I have watched several of the documentaries on here about the regret of transitioning - and then wanting to detransition. Often it isn't possible. So sad.
@@robinfa-84-tx79 It is horrible. Unconscionable. What are the parents thinking? The doctor should be sued. I hope that there is a class action suit in the future for all these doctors that participate in under 18 year old children transitioning. Like you, I watch many of them. I saw one in which a woman transition to a man and then back to a female but she never got her voice back so if you close your eyes she sounds just like a guy.
In addition, many of them never experience an orgasm. They cannot conceive children, they can’t nurse children what are they thinking? It seems to be a fad. All teenagers go through body image issues they outgrow it. And if for some reason they don’t then sometimes you need counseling first they’re usually underlying issues. Every parent should be validating a child to be who they are as they are as they’re born naturally.
I love when doctors tell me birth control is safe and then when I take it I’m mentally not well. 13:49 I wish that statement was from every doctor to every parent during their kid’s visit.
Thanks for the time stamp. I’ve been watching a lot of detrans stories the past few years. The majority that detrans say they were never treated for underlying emotional/mental issues, and they were approved very quickly for hormone blockers and HRT. This is criminal.
this b**** is saying what she needs to say to save face. She’s still lying, anyone with any medical knowledge can assume without adequate studies that puberty blockers will have long term negative effects on growth n development
@@kmathis2352What's criminal is your stupidity and intolerance. Just leave people alone, mind your own damn business!!!
Ariel's grandma sounds absolutely awesome. I came out as a lesbian to my 96 year old grandma, and she said "oh, dear. That's ok. I just want you to be happy". After she said that, no one else's opinion of me has mattered. If my grandma thinks it's ok, than nothing else matters. I LOVE that woman.
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That's amazing. I'm glad she old grow at that age
IT does matter to God, he makes no mistakes, but that's my opinion.
@Jane Tilmann..hats off to you and your grandmother, I definitely think that's awesome! To me, it's a big difference being lesbian or gay then to change your whole body, especially as a child. Most kids don't know what life is about at that age. How many of us have said "I wish I listened to my parents"
Not knowing anything about side effects that's a big risk to take. Congratulations to you!
@@heatherlewis2171 God will judge us all trust in him and do your best to make a relationship with him. Jane has a choice like the rest of us. That ability to make a choice is what God gives us all. God bless you all on your journey home.
Notice how intelligent and well spoken these kids are.
OMG….. yes… very much so!!!!
... Very Much So 📚 🏫 🎓 💰 🧸 🎭
‘It’s harder to be gender non-conforming than transgender’-Ariel
That is the actual issue. We live in a society that the definition of male/female needs to broaden. With so many children facing bullying due to not fitting, not conforming, that is where the need for support falls. Helping kids feel comfortable in the skin they are in. Saying how much easier their life is if they just transition is heartbreaking. This is the opposite of what is needed.
Agee that the definition of male/female needs to broaden.
Like what,
We all grew up just fine how it was.
You want to know the issue? The internet. It’s taken vulnerable and funneled them through chaos.
@@very7962 what’s the point you’re making?
@@very7962 You know the only one bitching about the internet is the person who is using the internet. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me. Yeah, y'all grew up fine how it was, but not everybody. And, I honestly doubt you need to speak for all of humanity. You ain't god. You only bitch about the internet when it suits you. The internet isn't what's wrong with the outside world, it's the outside world that's what's wrong. The internet is just a place to exist. People use or abuse the internet. Don't blame the internet, blame the people.
This is exactly the problem. That we have so polarized gender stereotypes (clothing, toys, etc). Even the focus on gender itself. There is no gender, only sexes. We are all just on a spectrum of what we have labeled masculinity and femininity. That’s all this is. But we are so obsessed with labels (even though we’ve tried to claim for years we hate labels…) that we’ve gotten to this point.
Only once in my life I wished, from the depts of my heart, I were a boy. That was the day I got my period. My mother went to bed with me and held me while I transitioned, in those very first hours, from being a Tom boyish girl into a woman. Thank you mami. Only you understood what I was feeling. Fortunately, I learn to love my womanhood.😊
this ! when i first got “breast” tenderness (i still hate the word breast with a BURNING passion) i was so uncomfortable same with period i had horrible suicidal thoughts and wanted to stay a child and never grow into “womanhood” it is literally just a part of growing up…
I wished so badly I would never be a woman, and that mindset began at the same time for me as it did for you. I harmed myself in multiple ways to prevent becoming a woman. But fortunately, I didn't have any adults telling me I must be transgender, so I grew out of it. I have three beautiful kids that I would not have if someone would have "affirmed" what I was feeling.
@@Ivy.Huesmann, I hope we can all start talking more openly about this and acknowledging it for what it is. It is not sudden mass gender dysphoria. It's normal, albeit very difficult, emotional growing pains.
This is not the same, do not compare the two
@@Kimyojonglover except it is… i never wanted to be female… ever i identified more with biological males than females and going through female puberty was genuinely traumatic and scary, but also it’s a part of life and i’d rather have gone through it than not have…
The mother keeps looking at the father to signal this is the story we are going with. The father says not much.
What happens if a child grows up wanting to have a penis and a vagina does that make them a them or they gender
There are no masculine man on these videos and most of these dudes are gonna break up with a wife because the wife want to do what they wanna do
There are no masculine man on these videos and most of these dudes are gonna break up with a wife because the wife want to do what they wanna do
I noticed the exact same thing!!!
Totally off topic but Daniel's mom is breath-takingly beautiful on the outside as well as on the inside.
Such a kind, genuine, caring woman. ❤
Was she the one who affirmed her child's disphoria or the one who affirmed her child was perfect the way they were born?
Feelings come and go. We know this much about feelings and desires. What we don't know is this popularized trans-gender movement that's so new. Just affirm what you know and you can't go wrong
My heart hurts for John and his family.
How do kids even know or really understand sex and gender at that age.
@@mart5476 I mean theyre probaly have more than 2 iq. Unlike some people.
I mean i just cant with this stupidity, why dont you question a girl that wants to wear a dress or a makeup or a boy that wants something you stereotypically view as masculine? How can little girls want to wear dress or boys want to wear pants? Shouldt they NOT care how they look at all, how theyre treated? If theyre so stupid that they cant understand the differences between men and women, why make them different at all?
Yeah, John's story was heart breaking. Especially him talking about being a family & the hardship their all going through especially John. I think it's just hard for his dad to accept this too maybe cuz John's age. Just a hard thing for all of them.
@@mart5476 Well, usually the same way all little boys and girls find out they have a crush on a certain other little boy or girl. I remember my nephews trying to force me to play cops and robbers with them, they wanted me to dress like the sheriff, and I did it once, and told my mom I didn't want to dress like a boy, I was a girl! I was 5 years old.
I get mad at parents when they're not accepting. And I get mad at parents driving kids under the age of 8 to be trans. Kids need to grow into learning what they are
Yep
I agree.
They are growing into who they are
@Tyrell Johnson That’s why I’ll correct mine who talk about this Jesus character. We won’t have confused kids in our house.
@Tyrell Johnson Detransition is less than 3% and of those 3% 60% are temporary. Don’t ban transitioning just require therapy for a duration before doing it. Transitioning worked for me
As a parent, we should direct our children in the proper direction.
And what direction is that?
@@nancybates6585 That if they’re suffering from gender dysphoria, then they should be given therapy, to help them with what they are struggling with mentally. An adult (anyone over 18) making such life altering decisions, is one thing, but let a child go through puberty and decide when they are older and understand such a huge, permanent decision they will be making. The FDA does not approve girls under 18 to have breast implants, let alone puberty blockers. Yet parents are allowing their child’s body to be completely altered, actually mutilated.
What I'm saying is what direction is the correct one and how do we even know? I would not want to be the parent of a "dysphoric child", if that's the proper term. Sorry if it's not. I don't know what I would do in these cases! I'm old, but not too old to empathize with the emotional pain and suffering they are all going thru 😔
The brain is sending wrong signals to the thinking processes that are wrong , I would not let a child decide this because their brain aren't fully developed ! SAD
@@dixieblonde2208 You are partly correct. I promise you, if your child was trans and you decided to deny them the chance to transition, its not an IF they'd kill themselves, its a WHEN!
This is sad. Human brains don’t develop until early 20’s. No child should make a serious decision. Social media is to blame. Parents need to Protected they’re children not give into this
It’s okay to let a child choose clothing and behavior but...You spend your entire life fighting your biology...Doing nothing irreversible is the right thing until they are old enough to really know. Using suicide as emotional blackmail is just horrifying...
I agree however, that there are a very few children truly, truly trans from day 1...
These are all CHILDREN. they didn’t choose this. Let kids be kids. A hair cut or growing your hair out or wearing “opposite gender clothes” is not a big deal compared to other problems in the world. Their emotional state is important!
Alex has beautiful eyes
Each one of the kids in this documentary is so intelligent and well spoken. They seem much older than their actual ages. They also seem to be very close to their parents. Has to be hard on all of them. But the love they have for each other is beautiful and seems to be carrying them through
@Oscar right! :)
@Oscar agreed
What about the children going through similar things without the familial support, financial supper and social acceptance. = Suicide, drugs, crime, etc...
You know its a script right?
exactly! ive gotten this like all the time when i have to explain being trans to people (like therapists and doctors and stuff). it's like i had to grow up to be ready for what the world has in store for me and i had to know literally everything about science to prove my identity.
This is so sad. I had no clue what I wanted when I was a child. So many changes in those formative years
Stop projecting your personal experiences onto strangers. It’s weird
On the contrary, I was SURE of what I wanted while a kid, then I grew up and I wanted different things as a teen, then I changed my mind again... We have a lot to learn, including body and self acceptance.
@@champigranja1179
Did you also think of the long term negative implications of your actions?
A 9 year old child who wants his penis cut off to be “fully” female doesn’t think that they will never be able to have biological children. This starts to hit home when their friends start having kids. I have read on Reddit as well as seen videos of Detrans people who completely regret their decision that they removed those body parts. A lot of these people had gender affirming surgery under the age of 18.
@@Br4veDave My point exactly: while a teen, I was sure I didn't want kids until I reached 23 or so. So, no, I didn't think of the long term because kids rarely do that.
If children can decide to transition but you won’t let them decide what they eat for dinner there is an issue… if the kid says I’m a boy and you bend over backwards to transition them but they say I want a phone and I don’t want to go to school you don’t listen to them then… if they can’t decide what to eat or when to go to bed or when and if they go to school how can you let them medically castrate themselves
I think 18 is the right age to medically transition. Socially? let them be happy.
I love the princess names story. She is so lucky she had a grandparent who showed her unconditional love
I know! That’s so sweet ❤️❤️❤️
He has idiot grandparents...
@Junior Linares Like I said.." HE has idiot grandparents "
This is abuse not love abuse
@@nigerianprince9496 you’re wrong! Get a life!
Five years later..bet he’s glad he changed his name from Karen..lol
And that he’s not Laqueeshia the welfare queen with the 7 kids with 7 differ men...lol
Why is the opposite of a Karen joke to make a black one?
Lol. Nobody wants to be Karen anymore! Lol
LMAO
@@butterflygirl3359 that had literally nothing to do with the comment.
I sympathize with the kids and their families, this must be such a difficult and painful situation but I resent the medical approach and the lack of consistent and extended therapy. I just can't understand that these doctors couldn't consider that therapy is pivotal. Ariel's voice and demeanor shows that the child is autistic, am I right? This "documentary" left out so much. Down playing the risks of what they call "affirming care", blockers, hormones and surgeries, the way those are presented here are so superficial that's scary. Kids are also not told that WE, HUMANS TEND TO CHANGE OUR MINDS. That they will most definitely change their views in some or even most aspects in time, that a 23 year old will not be the same he/she was at 13. This "documentary" leaves me with a sour after taste.
Autism doesn't necessarily invalidate that they are gender dysphoric and trans. I know people think autistic people think in rigid boxes but this couldn't be further from the truth based on most autistic people I know. Its a spectrum so if you know one person with autism you know just one person with it. I also don't believe autistic people are more likely to follow trends. Like that hasn't been my experience with autistic people with black and white thinking either.
@@Cicada-Screams Are you going to refute that autistic people can be easily swayed or influenced? Is your theory solid enough as to accept the risks of transitioning for a person who can't analyze and weigh every aspect involved? Transitioning consist in a series of steps taken towards changing one's body, meaning potentially modifying a healthy body irreversibly. How is it ok for an autistic person, child or adult, to take such a big step? I do know autistic people and I know that there's always a part of them that needs to lean on someone, always the need for emotional support and the frail sense of security that makes this matter even more dangerous. Detransitioning, when it happens, is hard and painful for a person who accepted the consequences from the beginning and it's likely to happen to everyone, why would you submit a perfectly healthy autistic child to this outcome?
@almagoh8436 @almagoh8436 Those are the autistic people you know. It's not true that all autistic people need to lean on others emotionally. That honestly seems to be the exact opposite in the people I know. Autistic adults aren't all overgrown children who need chaperones their entire lives. And what makes you think an autistic person wouldn't take the time to research and weigh the pros and cons of certain medical procedures? Austic people probably, on average, spend more time deeply researching things they have a special interest in. Maybe your thoughts of austic people are those you see on shows like "love on the spectrum" or someone having to wear a helmet because they hit themselves in the head. Those people definitely exist sure but higher functioning autistic people are much less obvious. There's a reason theirs a term called "aspie Supremcy" because aspergers is just higher functioning autism. As for autistic people being more easily influenced. There's studies that show autistic are less likely to fall for cult tactics and join religion. Anyone of any neurotype can be deceived. And I think plenty if not most neurotypicals go through life just following the social script. This is my anecdotal opinion, but austic people are just, if not more, introspective than neurotypicals.
@almagoh8436 Also, I apologize for the late response, but yt doesn't notify me of a comment until 3 weeks later, apparently.
@@almagoh8436 Autistic here and I am not easily swayed or influenced, I'm actually more rigid with my ideas. All autistics are severely different from each other. I also do NOT depend on others for my emotional well being, I can do that myself. I also only spend time with people socially only in spurts as redundant conversations bore me
Imagine if the parents had just said "Look, you are a girl, but girls can do anything that a boy can do" and left it at that. The kid would grow out of it.
They dive straight into "Let's make it permanent". These kids should have to wait until 21 if they have to wait until they're 21 to drink.
That’s not how it works. Their brain is male and body is female or vise versa. Indeed there are a lot of kids that do question who they are and are uncomfortable while going through puberty and then grow out of it. That happens very frequently but these situations mentioned in the film are unusual. Unusual in that the child feels so uncomfortable in their body that they are willing to harm or kill themselves to escape what they are feeling. There has always been a small but significant portion of the population struggling with gender dysphoria. This has been the case since the dawn of civilization and it is here to stay. I get the impression that the parents in this film spent a lot of time wondering whether their child’s behavior and preferences were “just a phase” but then realized how much deeper their child’s challenges were. I would imagine that any parents that are about to let their child transition to another gender would not want it for their child without extensive and careful consideration. Because of what they have been through these kids are unusually smart, self aware and resilient. The reason that only adults used to transition in generations passed is because there was too much of a stigma surrounding transitioning earlier in life. Many people who transitioned as adults mentioned symptoms of gender dysphoria that date back to childhood.
Sorry this is so long but it is a complicated topic.
You're completely missing the point. At 21 regular development is irreversible. Hormone blockers allow this to be delayed. Ask a grown person who has transitioned of the wish they hadn't had to undo puberty and they would vehemently say yes.
@@mdickard8354 It is an interesting question for two reasons: first, it is not possible to do the experiment with a "control" (i.e. treated and untreated), secondly, anyone who suffers a trauma or makes a tough decision will develop coping mechanisms to reassure themselves that they made the right choice. Of course there are people who suffer from traumatic regret and all sorts of PTSD, but my point is that just because someone says that they "feel" that they made the right decision, doesn't mean that they did. Its like trying to figure out if you made the right decision by not dating someone that you almost tried to, or if you married the right person... Humans simply can not compute the answer.
The question then becomes: How can we know if it is right to tell kids that they are supposed to feel certain ways and want to play with certain toys etc. Was Baryshnikov not a man? I other cultures men wear makeup, jewelry, dresses, and dance together...
on more important matters, do a google scholar search on "glyphosate" and "sexual reproduction".
kid may not have. Perhaps dont medically transition, keep it social and perhaps blockers. they can decide on permanent changes as an adult
I am gay, and knew i was different going back to as far as i can remember, probably age 4 or 5. But as a kid, I did not really understand that I was gay, and definitely did not fully understand until I was an adult. Therefore, I hate to seem critical, but These are just kids and their brains are not even close to being fully formed. If I were a father ( unlikely) I would love my child unconditionally. And I would want them to be happy. But I would not let them decide, as a child , to take hormones, have surgery, etc. they would have to wait until adulthood ( some would say 18 is not really an adult these days). If , as an adult, they still wanted to switch genders, then I would support them 1000%. I just don’t think it benefits children to switch their genders. And if my little girl was butch, or my little be feminine, so be it. Its all good
Hormones and surgery only happen if the person is over 17-18, by which point they are basically an adult. The only medical thing they give before 18 are puberty blockers, which are fully reversible.
@@anunimus_2706 I believe they said 16 is the age they start on the hormones.
@@Lucailey 16 is the legal earliest, but generally 16 is when trans kids are even considered for hormones, so they have to go through gender therapy for another few years before finally being Able to take hormones. Conceptually and legally, children may get hormones by age 16. In practice though, considering unsupportive parents, the cost of therapy, and the cost of medicine, most people cannot get hormones until 19-20
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Being gay has nothing to do with gender Identity
Very different story
My friend is transgender. I lived in a rural republican dominated small christian town. Prior to his testosterone treatment, he said that he was suicidal. After transitioning, he has felt much better. To him, testosterone is the medicine. It took me a while to get used to transgender lgbtq+ and all that stuff and I still mostly don't know or understand. Just treat other humans with respect. That's all.
Thanks for being a great person
As a trans man who has grown up in a small and somewhat conservative area, people like you are very important to those like me. Even if someone doesn’t fully understand, as long as they try to learn and treat us with kindness and respect thats all we can really ask for.
My son’s hockey team has two girls. They’ve been part of the team for years. They fit right in. The boys on the team are their social circle.
33:00 oh, Alex. You are getting MISERABLE advice.
Please expand on that.
@Nighty-Night Can't Coco Persiflage respond herself. It's fine for her to say no, but I think she should be allowed to make that decision.
@@5466Aaron the advice at 33:00 is all about burping whenever (which i dont see as very bad advice) and being cold to girls like you dont care (which i think is bad advice.) but i might have different opinions about that than coco persiflage.
Probably a better question on my part, would have been, is it such miserable advice in this situation? To me, it seems like advice intended to help Alex. On one level, at least, it seems to succeed. But, maybe it is bad nonetheless.
@@5466Aaron It's definitely well intentioned and supportive, but if you burp in front of a girl I mean I can't see in her head but I am guessing she will think you are rude and I am also guessing if you are cold to her how will she know you like her? You definitely don't wanna seem desperate, but you shouldn't be cold either. I think this advice is something that makes you more masculine, but I think it's sort of a negative aspect of masculinity. What I mean is these are definitely male habits but I feel like they are habits that maybe we shouldn't be leaning into. Get what I mean? Idk. But I still definitely recognize the friends are trying to be supportive and I think that is really sweet.
I wonder if we will ever stop overlooking the neurodivergent traits that are extremely evident in these children. There is also a clear link between body dysphoria and mental disorders. These issues need to be treated, but instead, we are ignoring them so we can all virtue signal. That's the biggest frustration for me as a mother with a "gender-fluid" child myself.
For instance "Arial" is clearly on the spectrum. All you have to do is listen to the child speak. That's the speech pattern of a child with 'high-functioning' ASD. That's just ONE characteristic overlooked here.
Very true .. great point n observation
Ariel seems like such an exhausting “friend”. Her “friends” can’t do or say anything without hurting her feelings or making her uncomfortable. She has extremely low self esteem and that will eventually push EVERYONE away from her if she doesn’t get help for it
I concur.
Finally someone said it! She presents herself as rather "mature", but she is not. I also find her very exaggerated in her "female manners". Her friends and her therapist are not trying to hurt her feelings, just stating facts (about motherhood, for instance). Parents need to teach their kids to accept who they are, not enable delusions.
I guess reality logic and truth no longer matter in medicine