The amount of negative comments on this video is bizarre. Apparently people like to comment before watching the video, it takes him just over 45 seconds to say that he liked the design and he even included the smiley emote in his comment. Its obvious that he liked the improvement and seemed to be shocked to see something on the market that resembled a passed project of his.
This is exactly what I though when watching the video, then I come to the comment section and I don't get what people are on about.. people are fucking stupid cunts.
Rowdy Audi : So here I am thinking the same thing and you said it. Thanks for saving me the trouble. I used to go through the same thing with online forums and products I used to make. Someone would post "This thing is garbage, I can't fit the widget on the fidget! It's backwards!" To which we or another happy customer would post: "Instructions, page 2, paragraph one, third sentence. 'First step, reverse widget before fitting it on the fidget.'" LOL
The title clearly states that someone copied his design... It is not his design. Its a very basic turbine system that is used everywhere especially in dentist drills. So either he is claiming ownership on a thing he never invented, or he is click baiting. That is the problem.
I think that the amount of negativity in the comment section is unnecessary but then again this is UA-cam. Also, I hoped that those coming down here to comment would see my post and refrain from saying something dumb. I live in the United States but was raised in Austria.
Why is this comment section so full of butthurt angry people? Did you even watch the video?! He said he THINKS someone copied his design, there is NOTHING there that implies he's angry about it. He even said he *LIKES* the "copy" for crying out loud!
It's cyclic-masturbation. aka: one big circle-jerk... Now, I'm not claiming I invented the circle-jerk, I simply recognized the pattern. Will someone please order some cases of paper towels?... I completely believe OP, however. Isn't there something positive to be said about imitation?... -paul
i love how you didn't go the negative route and actually liked that someone copied and improved upon it. way to go man. if only there were more people like you, science and tech would progress a lot faster.
If someone copies your designs, be happy, because you inspired these people to produce something ... Many people would love to be doing these things, but they do not. Congratulations on your channel, your projects and your shared knowledge .. Great hug!
Inspired? Lol... It’s not like they watched a video that inspired them to help the homeless. They watched a video and seen dollar signs, they were “inspired” to become rich off of someone else’s work. I dare you to write a book, a movie script, design a invention; something that took you years to complete and you were passionate about it. Then allow some stranger to take it from you, make VERY simple improvements to it and then sell it and make millions... Your honestly going to tell me you wouldn’t be upset??? What we seen in this video wasn’t inspiration, it was greed. Inspiration would be watching one of these videos and designing something on your own.
Gustavo Carvalho Inspiration when someone willing to help these kind of inventors by proposing to buy these inventors creations for it copyright or something if it was proved very useful so those inventors can focus for their own work. It would become one of the motivations for inventors instead of contributing for the society. This is not inspiration,this is like stealing someone else hardwork.
Grundel: that too. Lets thank Nikola and George for our AC power supply, or should we thank Faraday, lots of incremental steps. (also industrial espionage and stealing secrets) Lots of dead ends too (Tesla included.) cheers.
The best part of engineering is to be copied and see what others come up with which is really fascinating. not only you will know the flaws of the designs but you will also improve and develop it much more which in a way is like an endless competition. Cheers out to both of you guys you and the copy respectively.
While theres some new ideas they probably wouldnt pass the legal bar of novelty. Its more a trade secret issue, and being subject of a youtube vid its not really a trade secret. Doesnt make it right, but its probably perfectly legal
Behindspace90 there are international organizations that provide patents for almost all countries but it can be a little expensive I think it's around 2.5 grand to apply for one of them
Just in case , i don't see a copy here, i only see the principle how it works, the Housing, bearings the Rotor even the in - and outlet is in different angle, there is no Copy at all.
KevSpace C Doing a video in assocation/sponsored with a company without saying it clearly is illegal in certain country. Idk about the US, I know that in the UK and France it's illegal,
The code is just a normal coupon discount. I've used that exact code many times before and it has nothing to do with this guy. I'm not sure about the link, may be affiliate but there's nothing wrong with that. If it's his original design, at the very least he should make a few dollars of off the copy.
If I ever get a metal milling machine I might have to make a copy for myself! Thank you for really showing the detail and providing measurements! I could have fudged it all but as an engineer I like to have a reference
I love the fact you didn't get mad, you went all scientific and dissected it and compared it to your own. And then you concluded it was an improvement on yours. Well done. I don't understand the coments saying you're mad and knocking. By the way, that sound at the end where you connected them in series....how good was that!
Collin Brown Not really because the turbo has one hose going into the turbo (airhose) and no second bearing for the rotor so it has a huge hole to let the air come out
Even though it looks similar, it's not. If you ever cooked in your life, you surely can know the difference between making a cup of rice at once and making 3kg of rice at once. Although the principle it's the same., it's simply not the same procedure,.
Its hard to say its a copy since you have used basic specs from the 1800s, besides that enough difference between the two exits to claim completely different designs despite any similarities between the two. Claim coke is the copy of pepsi when other colas we're already in the market.
MHG Scrubadub I absolutely can. The inspiration came from the true original. Which had only 2 impeller fins. Was a 90° elbow that took in water to pump uphill not air. The fact that these take air is not uncommon either, for that matter you could say the real inspiration for this exact thing came from lungs.
Aye, Someone give this man the Noble prize and every Honorable tittle for his great invention adn contribution to humanity!!!!!!... .. .. .. Wait for it .. .. Sarcasm ends here
Can you connect two of those via axis and make a mini turbocharger? ..like one turbine will be hot side, and the other one will be cold side, and put it on RC engine, would that be possible?
It is possible, but the expansion pipe (the exhaust) needs to be tuned correctly. Basically you need to have more back pressure when the ports are open because you are forcing air in now. most 2 stroke nitro engines for RC have the intake and exhaust ports open at the same time. If you are pushing air into the intake you need more pressure on the exhaust to hold it in. the tuned pipe works by reflecting some of the gas pulse from each exhaust cycle back into the cylinder.
It looks well made even if I prefer the look of yours with the pressed bearings plates. I guess they could be more secured in place with the screws. At least it is a nice copy.
Michel PASTOR the copy is inferior build. If you look closely, you see the screws coming loose whenever the turbine is spinning. Probably the vibration??
They are not coming loose they are just spinning together with the nuts. The nuts can't come loose because they are Nylock nuts. It's normal to have some vibration with such high speeds also it's a 20 dollars part after all. They would probably not be moving if the nuts were to be tightened more.
Well, at first glance, it would appear that the designs have similarities but the one you describe as a copy does have additional improvements to the design. For instance, the housing is larger and the turbine is larger. The modifications to the new design also seem to increase performance of the turbine by about 13,000 RPM at 2 bar while not under load. The improvement to performance under load is significantly more impressive with an increase of 13,800 RPM (6,200 - 20,000) at 2 bar. Additionally, the rotor designs are similar but not exact as they seem to have optimized the design of the rotor blade to provide better RPM while under load. I love your channel and the work you do is amazing, there is no doubt about that. I must admit that sitting here late at night watching your channel, I often see what you have built and begin thinking of ways to utilize, adapt, or improve upon your creations. If you do not already, please go through the process of patenting your designs. There are situations when an invention can receive adequate patent protection with a utility patent and a design patent. If your invention has a unique structure/function (utility) coupled with unique ornamental features (design), then you should consider filing both a utility patent application and a design patent application. This can be a difficult situation and it is recommended that you speak with a patent attorney prior to choosing this path. Both design and utility patent applications will provide you with “patent pending“ while they are pending at the Patent Office. For the most part, the patents granted by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office are for *improvements to existing products* or for innovations *similar to products already patented* and patents can also be granted for the successful miniaturization of an existing technology. Here is a great article that explains a lot about how the patent process works: www.ipwatchdog.com/2014/05/03/the-successful-inventor-patenting-improvements/id=49396/ As an aside, it speaks volumes about your character that you are cool with the new turbine. Keep up the good work.
It is just a motor powered by compressed air instead of electricity. What is it's use? For that motor size, I dont know. I know there are power drills that are air powered but the motors are bigger.
I'm sure you could stick a standard V-tip engraving stylus on it and mount the thing on the business end of a hobby CNC router, isolation-miling PCBs - there RPM is directly related to how fast you can move, and this thing would tear through the few microns of copper like mad...
You shouldn't say every copy is better than the original ones, go look at Video Brinquedo's movies, nobody in their right mind would seriously think their movies are better than the original movies, same can be said for copies of games, look at all the stupid minecraft clones, and there are many other examples of copies of something being worse than the original design, so your statement is simply factually incorrect
Does Apple count? Their iPhones a now just copy paste designs with just slight differences. The iP 7 was a copy paste of the iP 6 but without a headphone jack, and now the new iP 8 is just an iP 7 with (supposedly) better display, camera, performance, blah blah blah.
Lol its like jeff bezos of amazon and blue origin and elon musk of tesla and spacex. Elon musk is pioneer but jeff bezos took all the credit with his blue origin rocket
dcw56 Idea was 2013. No product has been released until now. No rights have been secured. No patents applied for. If you didn't work with it for 4 years and someone else picks it up, you can't complain about it... That being said, if you take an idea from someone else, it's just common courtesy to give credit. But just because someone has a similar idea, does not necessarily mean that he copied it. There have been multiple example of people from different parts of the world coming up with the same idea.
While you made a great turbine and I enjoyed your video building it, let's be honest, the basic design has been around for a very long time. So I'm not sure you can take credit for it being a copy.
Behindspace90 I'd even say that he hasn't considered the angle between intake and exhaust pipes. My guess is that his design is less fuel consuming, even if clearances were the same. But, as air travels more time inside, I guess it can go pass an optimal point where air speed inside the turbine starts to decrease due to drag. And all Peltons rely on air speed, not pressure. Thus, he should repeat the tests measuring also volume of air consumed over time, and divide speed per consume. My guess is that he will win at that point.
shalol I can't assure that, since mine is only from 2015 but all I know is that mine is (a copy?) from a brand called Microcosm. The original microcosm turbine costs double of the price you can find at dx or banggood but has the same name on it and performs well. AFAIK Microcosm ia not one of those brands that would make copies...it just sells reliable machines. I own another steam enginw from Microcosm that resembles a Pachasa engine, but again...Pachasa is just a well designed model, such as all V-engines have a similar angle between pistons
Turbines have been around for over 1000 years in one form or another. The only thing that makes his unique is he designed and built it at home. To build a high speed turbine at home that doesn't vibrate into million pieces is very impressive and requires a high degree of skill. But again, turbines are all around us in one form or another.
Hi Johnny, I'm looking to get into some simple fabrication - just as a hobby, to see how far I can get. Would you say the a 250w DRAPER LATHE-300 seems like a good starting point? I'm looking for something that will carry me through the basics to hopefully the type of small motor work you're doing here ... mostly aluminium and brass. I ask because I can get the Draper really cheap here. *The Draper LATHE-300 Specs :* Mains supply: 250w @ 240v Single Phase Turning capacity: diameter: 180mm, between centres: 200/300mm Chuck capacity: 80mm Spindle speeds: Low: 100-1100r/min, High: 100-2500r/min (variable) Cross slide travel: 65mm Spindle bore: 20mm Overall length: 830mm Weight: 42kg Motor: 0.33 HP Any good, or would I need something heavier? I'm on 240v (UK domestic) and need to avoid 3-phase. Any pointers would be useful if you have time to respond. Thanks
Hi Gary, Although it seems like a nice little lathe (rigid) what concerns me most is that it's somehow underpowered. My lathe has a 600w motor and it's pretty much the same size as this one. It cuts aluminium and brass like nothing and with the right tools steel and titanium (I've done both). I'd say just look at lathes with 500w + motor power.
Ahhhh. Well, there are a few very similar spec 300mm tables in 550w and 600w - but I may have to save my pennies... oh, and be real nice to the wife. Thanks for the advice, you've probably saved me some headaches down the line : ) Please keep posting the videos. A good 80% of my motivation is coming from this channel : )
I don't know if it's considered "clickbait, cuz' the title sounds like it's making a pretty serious accusation, but the video didn't really back up anything. :X
Dude c'mon. pick on the other guys who said they invented the wheel and rectangle, don't single me out you douche! You know damn well they didn't invent that shit either lol.
Absolutely not. A copy is not an improved product. A copy is a clone, a counterfeit, it's not only some patent infringement. There is no R&D in a copy, just eventual regressions due to cost optimization. The honest title of this video should be "a chinese factory improved my prototype based on public domain turbine schematics, go buy one to give me money"
Unofficial Clout The thumbnail actually shows both motors with the right direction. In the video the copied product actually has the wrong installed direction if the purpose is to "create" torque
I wonder if it's just that frame at 3:12 that might have been put together incorrectly? One scoops air out easier, but the other should take it in more efficient I would think¿ I would imagine the smoother angles on the fins to be more efficient in the copy as well.
Emulation truly is the sincerest form of flattery. I'd be stoked about copycats. If someone somewhere would think it's worth it to reverse engineer my designs, and even improve on the performance somewhat, all the while selling it for dirt cheap prices, i'd be over the moon. This is awesome!
The copy had the benefit of someone else doing a lot of research for them. My dad used to have creative ideas and I'd quite often look at what he was doing and chuck in something like 'it'd work better upside down'. I've never had an original idea in my life. Maybe the copiest is like me - a developer, not an inventor. But that's how humans became a success - standing on the shoulders of those that went before.
They're just as similar as a BMW and a Honda. They're both cars, but not copies of each other. Different materials, quality, features and looks. Claiming that they copied you is a bit pretentious in my opinion. Not that I care anyway.
Patrick’s Workshop, I'd argue a motorcycle is better built. I can go much faster and get much less tired riding my motorcycle compared to riding my bicycle.
Notice the rotor blade profiles are curved in opposite directions (relative to air flow) in the two turbine examples. This may be one reason for the significant performance variance.
So, does that make you want to make a better turbine than the copy? Maybe more blades and Tighter tolerances for more torque and higher RPMs still keeping the same material assembly weight? Maybe instead of 3 blades six blades at half the width?
I 'invented' the Bernoulli lifting surface for an aircraft I thought would take advantage of the surface area for armor. It was to shuttle troops. I abandoned the idea. Years later, I saw someone else using it in R/C aircraft. I felt so good someone used the idea, that I wanted to get all 'geeky' about it. They took that as a threat, "Sure you had that idea.". Here, that whole deal all I felt was smart because I had an idea that worked. You get pride involved in anything and it spoils it.
I designed a laser sighted Pool Cue and then found out someone had copied my idea a couple years earlier as it was already for sale before I even came up with a final design. I hate it it when people steal my ideas then go back in time to profit off them.
Wow, the product everyone hopes to get on wish... The knock off that's better then the original. The end covers bolted on is a nice added touch too. Giving a good natural mounting point and higher strength.
Yeah, looks like your fins also block more air inbetween passes of the blade. Like how the copy is rounded which applies a longer stream of air per fin pass. Cool stuff
I would personally call it "improved version" rather than "copy". Both designs seems to be similar, but the "heart" of the turbine, as well as the clearance are very different.
They say that it's the utimate and most wonderful compliment "to you" when someone copies your design. I'd be proud of having made such a beautiful little tubine and have someone copy it. They obviously saw the potential and beauty of your design that they decided to explore it a bit and make their own version of it. I love that little turbine and i know who made it too, JohnnyQ90. Happy science fellow designer.
If you happened to have infinite compressed air, you can hook up an array of these to a bunch of small electric motors and make an air-powered generator. It’d be hella loud though
Richard Branson a month-to-month change over reverse fan or brakes and vacuum immediately stop gas valves off or enough PSI fan left on for 1 second. Somehow you've got the concept safe enough
Make a copy of the copy and make it better! 5 fins and less clearance !
Lets start an engineering contest where the highest RPM wins
And you will end up with Tesla Turbine xD
justin wood we'd have to figure out what motor he's using in order to reproduce the motor's load on the turbine.
and then, a technological race has begun!
Johan Fouche just as a personal challenge
"who are you?"
"i'm you but better"
Dame tu cosita:Who are you?
Howard the alien:I'm you but better
randompandahasfun Lmao 🤣
mashed potatoes "I am you but can be mass production."
Far, far better!
*Butt
The amount of negative comments on this video is bizarre. Apparently people like to comment before watching the video, it takes him just over 45 seconds to say that he liked the design and he even included the smiley emote in his comment. Its obvious that he liked the improvement and seemed to be shocked to see something on the market that resembled a passed project of his.
This is exactly what I though when watching the video, then I come to the comment section and I don't get what people are on about.. people are fucking stupid cunts.
Rowdy Audi : So here I am thinking the same thing and you said it. Thanks for saving me the trouble.
I used to go through the same thing with online forums and products I used to make. Someone would post "This thing is garbage, I can't fit the widget on the fidget! It's backwards!" To which we or another happy customer would post: "Instructions, page 2, paragraph one, third sentence. 'First step, reverse widget before fitting it on the fidget.'" LOL
The title clearly states that someone copied his design... It is not his design. Its a very basic turbine system that is used everywhere especially in dentist drills. So either he is claiming ownership on a thing he never invented, or he is click baiting. That is the problem.
I think that the amount of negativity in the comment section is unnecessary but then again this is UA-cam. Also, I hoped that those coming down here to comment would see my post and refrain from saying something dumb. I live in the United States but was raised in Austria.
You have been issued a citation by the grammar police for using passed instead of past.
Why is this comment section so full of butthurt angry people? Did you even watch the video?! He said he THINKS someone copied his design, there is NOTHING there that implies he's angry about it. He even said he *LIKES* the "copy" for crying out loud!
It's cyclic-masturbation. aka: one big circle-jerk...
Now, I'm not claiming I invented the circle-jerk, I simply recognized the pattern.
Will someone please order some cases of paper towels?...
I completely believe OP, however.
Isn't there something positive to be said about imitation?...
-paul
Because they did never do anything.
My favorite part is when he says "someone make a copy. And I like it"
they had copied your design because you posted a TUTORIAL HOW TO MAKE ONE!
9snaker I think he's implying he just made a miniature model of an existing design.
Making it smaller doesn't make it his design.
it doesn't seem like he is complaining you know?
kyle velasquez but not how to make tons and sell them....
kyle velasquez and you're mad because?
kyle velasquez i mean it's a tutorial at how to make it then that person upgraded it a bit ok bro not a copy
i love how you didn't go the negative route and actually liked that someone copied and improved upon it. way to go man. if only there were more people like you, science and tech would progress a lot faster.
“Can I copy your homework”
“Yeah just change it so it doesn’t look the same”
But its better
If someone copies your designs, be happy, because you inspired these people to produce something ... Many people would love to be doing these things, but they do not. Congratulations on your channel, your projects and your shared knowledge .. Great hug!
Inspired? Lol... It’s not like they watched a video that inspired them to help the homeless. They watched a video and seen dollar signs, they were “inspired” to become rich off of someone else’s work.
I dare you to write a book, a movie script, design a invention; something that took you years to complete and you were passionate about it. Then allow some stranger to take it from you, make VERY simple improvements to it and then sell it and make millions... Your honestly going to tell me you wouldn’t be upset???
What we seen in this video wasn’t inspiration, it was greed. Inspiration would be watching one of these videos and designing something on your own.
PuRple_Chezz Boi true
Tinha que ser brasileiro pra defender alguém roubar a patente do outro mesmo, deve ser nordestino e eleitor de Lula.
Mr.L u d e n s O quê que está a fazer um *br* aqui ? 😂 👌
Gustavo Carvalho Inspiration when someone willing to help these kind of inventors by proposing to buy these inventors creations for it copyright or something if it was proved very useful so those inventors can focus for their own work. It would become one of the motivations for inventors instead of contributing for the society. This is not inspiration,this is like stealing someone else hardwork.
0:47
Atleast watch and get some context first...
Greatest honor an engineer can receive: being copied :D
Yup
Bull crap. Getting paid would be better.
In this case, though, the engineering for the item is over a century old, and common knowledge.
That's what I was going to say.
+Grundel: but he was a sellout, and sold the rights to Westinghouse (because he hated Edison) just for fun:)
Grundel: that too. Lets thank Nikola and George for our AC power supply, or should we thank Faraday, lots of incremental steps. (also industrial espionage and stealing secrets)
Lots of dead ends too (Tesla included.) cheers.
I appreciate your humility in sharing a similar product which performs better than yours! Do you plan on improving yours?
Would both fit in my Honda
Angel Derbessy
Yes and one of these hooked up to a compressor would be far more powerful than the engine in it already.
Umm.. how big a compressor do you plan on taking with you?
Rx7man a big one
How big would the compressor need to be to get 100mph?
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The best part of engineering is to be copied and see what others come up with which is really fascinating.
not only you will know the flaws of the designs but you will also improve and develop it much more which in a way is like an endless competition.
Cheers out to both of you guys you and the copy respectively.
Imitation is the ultimate form of flattery. 😊😊
if you would have patented the design would you not get a cut form banggood then?
While theres some new ideas they probably wouldnt pass the legal bar of novelty. Its more a trade secret issue, and being subject of a youtube vid its not really a trade secret. Doesnt make it right, but its probably perfectly legal
Behindspace90 there are international organizations that provide patents for almost all countries but it can be a little expensive I think it's around 2.5 grand to apply for one of them
patenting is not cheap
Yeah, sure! The Chinese will happily pay you the patent claim.
Just in case , i don't see a copy here, i only see the principle how it works, the Housing, bearings the Rotor even the in - and outlet is in different angle, there is no Copy at all.
... It is not about "He who invents". It is about "He who patents it first."
or "He who has the most lawyers"
or "He who has more money"
or '' He who owns a billion dollar company''
Ahh famous quote by Thomas Edison eyy? xD
Or he who has a team of incredibly high-priced lawyers. Then the world is your oyster.
He linked to the copy in the description...It may be a copy, but he's most likely making money off of it... He also gives a coupon code... #AD
kbent88 most of us would love a chance to have some of the things he makes
I'm not even sure this type of affiliation is even legal...
When life gave JohnnyQ90 lemons, JohnnyQ90 made lemonade. JohnnyQ90 is smart. Be like JohnnyQ90.
KevSpace C Doing a video in assocation/sponsored with a company without saying it clearly is illegal in certain country. Idk about the US, I know that in the UK and France it's illegal,
The code is just a normal coupon discount. I've used that exact code many times before and it has nothing to do with this guy. I'm not sure about the link, may be affiliate but there's nothing wrong with that. If it's his original design, at the very least he should make a few dollars of off the copy.
If I ever get a metal milling machine I might have to make a copy for myself! Thank you for really showing the detail and providing measurements! I could have fudged it all but as an engineer I like to have a reference
I love the fact you didn't get mad, you went all scientific and dissected it and compared it to your own. And then you concluded it was an improvement on yours. Well done. I don't understand the coments saying you're mad and knocking. By the way, that sound at the end where you connected them in series....how good was that!
Didn't you copy the turbo and just made it micro?
You make a strong point, but why do you feel the need to keep pasting the same comment?
You copy paste alot..
lol cole
Collin Brown
Not really because the turbo has one hose going into the turbo (airhose) and no second bearing for the rotor so it has a huge hole to let the air come out
Even though it looks similar, it's not. If you ever cooked in your life, you surely can know the difference between making a cup of rice at once and making 3kg of rice at once. Although the principle it's the same., it's simply not the same procedure,.
Its hard to say its a copy since you have used basic specs from the 1800s, besides that enough difference between the two exits to claim completely different designs despite any similarities between the two. Claim coke is the copy of pepsi when other colas we're already in the market.
steve gale congrats you have helped prove the point.
The concept has been around forever. however you cant deny that the one made after took inspiration from the first.
MHG Scrubadub I absolutely can. The inspiration came from the true original. Which had only 2 impeller fins. Was a 90° elbow that took in water to pump uphill not air. The fact that these take air is not uncommon either, for that matter you could say the real inspiration for this exact thing came from lungs.
Thanks for KeepinItReal -- CREEPY, Kris.
You got the coke thing the other way around lol
Thats just how every air Turbine is desingned, even 20 years ago , but okay you are the inventor
Yannic06
20 years ago? Over 100 years ago
100 years ago? Over 200 years ago
1000 years ago? Over 9000 years ago.
Aye, Someone give this man the Noble prize and every Honorable tittle for his great invention adn contribution to humanity!!!!!!...
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Wait for it
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Sarcasm ends here
CyberLotus *and
You should be proud that someone liked your design so much that they built one like it. Imitation is a form of flattery.
this is why its good to share ideas because someone out there will always make improvements you overlooked
Can you connect two of those via axis and make a mini turbocharger? ..like one turbine will be hot side, and the other one will be cold side, and put it on RC engine, would that be possible?
Why not?
They do make turbo's for RC motors, but the cars are mostly electric now.
It is possible, but the expansion pipe (the exhaust) needs to be tuned correctly. Basically you need to have more back pressure when the ports are open because you are forcing air in now. most 2 stroke nitro engines for RC have the intake and exhaust ports open at the same time. If you are pushing air into the intake you need more pressure on the exhaust to hold it in. the tuned pipe works by reflecting some of the gas pulse from each exhaust cycle back into the cylinder.
2:55 you've been bamboozled
It looks well made even if I prefer the look of yours with the pressed bearings plates. I guess they could be more secured in place with the screws. At least it is a nice copy.
Michel PASTOR the copy is inferior build.
If you look closely, you see the screws coming loose whenever the turbine is spinning.
Probably the vibration??
They are not coming loose they are just spinning together with the nuts. The nuts can't come loose because they are Nylock nuts. It's normal to have some vibration with such high speeds also it's a 20 dollars part after all. They would probably not be moving if the nuts were to be tightened more.
I'm thinking of using these for a miniature Diesel Hydraulic locomotive, do you think these will run slower but with a higher torque on water?
Well, at first glance, it would appear that the designs have similarities but the one you describe as a copy does have additional improvements to the design. For instance, the housing is larger and the turbine is larger. The modifications to the new design also seem to increase performance of the turbine by about 13,000 RPM at 2 bar while not under load. The improvement to performance under load is significantly more impressive with an increase of 13,800 RPM (6,200 - 20,000) at 2 bar. Additionally, the rotor designs are similar but not exact as they seem to have optimized the design of the rotor blade to provide better RPM while under load.
I love your channel and the work you do is amazing, there is no doubt about that. I must admit that sitting here late at night watching your channel, I often see what you have built and begin thinking of ways to utilize, adapt, or improve upon your creations. If you do not already, please go through the process of patenting your designs. There are situations when an invention can receive adequate patent protection with a utility patent and a design patent. If your invention has a unique structure/function (utility) coupled with unique ornamental features (design), then you should consider filing both a utility patent application and a design patent application. This can be a difficult situation and it is recommended that you speak with a patent attorney prior to choosing this path. Both design and utility patent applications will provide you with “patent pending“ while they are pending at the Patent Office.
For the most part, the patents granted by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office are for *improvements to existing products* or for innovations *similar to products already patented* and patents can also be granted for the successful miniaturization of an existing technology.
Here is a great article that explains a lot about how the patent process works: www.ipwatchdog.com/2014/05/03/the-successful-inventor-patenting-improvements/id=49396/
As an aside, it speaks volumes about your character that you are cool with the new turbine. Keep up the good work.
like you're the first one on earth who thought of this design...
CreepyblackZ Many people thought about Facebook before Facebook, but they didnt create it. So if he was first who created it. He has the right for it.
No he doesn't, just like Facebook doesn't have the 'right' to be the only company running a social networking site :)
I am the person who truly first invented it. I have yet to find a valuable use for my device though. I'm not really sure what it can do.
Im not talking about other social medias, im talking about Facebook, there is only one Facebook.
Facebook has the right to be the only Facebook :)
Hello, what is the purpose of this turbine?
It is just a motor powered by compressed air instead of electricity. What is it's use? For that motor size, I dont know. I know there are power drills that are air powered but the motors are bigger.
Misael Cifuentes Dentist drills
its for small high rpm tools
To go fast
I'm sure you could stick a standard V-tip engraving stylus on it and mount the thing on the business end of a hobby CNC router, isolation-miling PCBs - there RPM is directly related to how fast you can move, and this thing would tear through the few microns of copper like mad...
No one copied you because it wasn't your design in the first place.
Tell that to all of these viewers. Sheep will be sheep, I suppose.
Not only that, but it's not even a copy. A couple of the measurements are similar, but the majority are very different.
i think i found a comment full of retards, lol.
+HoCoRydaaH don't talk about yourself like that, it's okay....we accept you as the sheep you are.
Sils Wei ROASTED
When you put the two together I thought it was gonna take off in your hand, sounded awesome. 👍🏿👍🏿
As long as you’re OK with it, then I guess it’s the ultimate form of flattery!
Copied? Looks more like schooled you.
Scroll Out every copy is more better than the original ones, they only took the idea, so dont be a sheep
xXx_MlgTr1kSh00ter _Xx
You are slow.
You shouldn't say every copy is better than the original ones, go look at Video Brinquedo's movies, nobody in their right mind would seriously think their movies are better than the original movies, same can be said for copies of games, look at all the stupid minecraft clones, and there are many other examples of copies of something being worse than the original design, so your statement is simply factually incorrect
Does Apple count? Their iPhones a now just copy paste designs with just slight differences. The iP 7 was a copy paste of the iP 6 but without a headphone jack, and now the new iP 8 is just an iP 7 with (supposedly) better display, camera, performance, blah blah blah.
Mr. NoAvatar But that new Iphone X is gonna have some pretty cool features
Just a thought, did you have your impeller in the wrong way around as well?
Karl Harris it’s a turbine, not an impeller
the guy who copied your made a video saying you copied him
If no link then it’s fake
No link no trust xd
Lol its like jeff bezos of amazon and blue origin and elon musk of tesla and spacex. Elon musk is pioneer but jeff bezos took all the credit with his blue origin rocket
Oh god 😂
liamclash9 * who?
which device did you used to put air in that turbine?
They improved the design a little. Where did you get the copy? How much did it cost?
Imitation best form of flattery ;O)
Oh yes. Someone else making money off your work is just wonderful.
dcw56 money is not the most important part of life. Just saying.
dcw56 Idea was 2013. No product has been released until now. No rights have been secured. No patents applied for.
If you didn't work with it for 4 years and someone else picks it up, you can't complain about it...
That being said, if you take an idea from someone else, it's just common courtesy to give credit. But just because someone has a similar idea, does not necessarily mean that he copied it. There have been multiple example of people from different parts of the world coming up with the same idea.
Tommy Akers Yes it is. Money makes the world go around.
I'm pretty sure the SUN is responsible for that........lololol
While you made a great turbine and I enjoyed your video building it, let's be honest, the basic design has been around for a very long time. So I'm not sure you can take credit for it being a copy.
Adventures in Fabrication I have that particular turbine since at least 2 years, and it was no novelty when I purchased it...
Behindspace90 I'd even say that he hasn't considered the angle between intake and exhaust pipes. My guess is that his design is less fuel consuming, even if clearances were the same. But, as air travels more time inside, I guess it can go pass an optimal point where air speed inside the turbine starts to decrease due to drag. And all Peltons rely on air speed, not pressure. Thus, he should repeat the tests measuring also volume of air consumed over time, and divide speed per consume. My guess is that he will win at that point.
This particular design hasn't been around anywhere to be seen.
shalol I can't assure that, since mine is only from 2015 but all I know is that mine is (a copy?) from a brand called Microcosm. The original microcosm turbine costs double of the price you can find at dx or banggood but has the same name on it and performs well. AFAIK Microcosm ia not one of those brands that would make copies...it just sells reliable machines. I own another steam enginw from Microcosm that resembles a Pachasa engine, but again...Pachasa is just a well designed model, such as all V-engines have a similar angle between pistons
Turbines have been around for over 1000 years in one form or another. The only thing that makes his unique is he designed and built it at home. To build a high speed turbine at home that doesn't vibrate into million pieces is very impressive and requires a high degree of skill. But again, turbines are all around us in one form or another.
3:32 sounds like a twin prop starter.
Hi Johnny,
I'm looking to get into some simple fabrication - just as a hobby, to see how far I can get. Would you say the a 250w DRAPER LATHE-300 seems like a good starting point? I'm looking for something that will carry me through the basics to hopefully the type of small motor work you're doing here ... mostly aluminium and brass.
I ask because I can get the Draper really cheap here.
*The Draper LATHE-300 Specs :*
Mains supply: 250w @ 240v Single Phase
Turning capacity: diameter: 180mm, between centres: 200/300mm
Chuck capacity: 80mm
Spindle speeds: Low: 100-1100r/min, High: 100-2500r/min (variable)
Cross slide travel: 65mm
Spindle bore: 20mm
Overall length: 830mm
Weight: 42kg
Motor: 0.33 HP
Any good, or would I need something heavier? I'm on 240v (UK domestic) and need to avoid 3-phase.
Any pointers would be useful if you have time to respond.
Thanks
Hi Gary,
Although it seems like a nice little lathe (rigid) what concerns me most is that it's somehow underpowered. My lathe has a 600w motor and it's pretty much the same size as this one. It cuts aluminium and brass like nothing and with the right tools steel and titanium (I've done both). I'd say just look at lathes with 500w + motor power.
Ahhhh. Well, there are a few very similar spec 300mm tables in 550w and 600w - but I may have to save my pennies... oh, and be real nice to the wife.
Thanks for the advice, you've probably saved me some headaches down the line : )
Please keep posting the videos. A good 80% of my motivation is coming from this channel : )
Link to buy either one? I need a mini turbo for model engines
I don't know if it's considered "clickbait, cuz' the title sounds like it's making a pretty serious accusation, but the video didn't really back up anything. :X
3:01 Third Reich beats Isle of Man
You just copied what engineers designed a century ago!
copy paste brock
Brock Brazee show some variation and make a new post instead of copy pasting
*two centuries ago.
If you and me are going to build a Barbie-scale bicycle, I'm pretty sure both bikes are going to have similar size and components.
Brock Brazee
Thing is, he accused others of "copying" his design.
Are they selling the copy or what? How did you find it and acquire one?
What do you do with it? Does it have any true function other than a novelty?
I know what you feel. I'm the one who invented the wheel...
9snaker I invented the doggy style position.
Dude c'mon. pick on the other guys who said they invented the wheel and rectangle, don't single me out you douche! You know damn well they didn't invent that shit either lol.
He not only copied but improved it...
So that's not a copy :D
Vierax thats a copy lol, every copies are better than the original ones
Absolutely not. A copy is not an improved product. A copy is a clone, a counterfeit, it's not only some patent infringement. There is no R&D in a copy, just eventual regressions due to cost optimization. The honest title of this video should be "a chinese factory improved my prototype based on public domain turbine schematics, go buy one to give me money"
I think your turbine installed in opposite direction.
exactly what i was thinking
Unofficial Clout The thumbnail actually shows both motors with the right direction. In the video the copied product actually has the wrong installed direction if the purpose is to "create" torque
I wonder if it's just that frame at 3:12 that might have been put together incorrectly?
One scoops air out easier, but the other should take it in more efficient I would think¿
I would imagine the smoother angles on the fins to be more efficient in the copy as well.
He improved it. You should be proud. That's what open source is all about. Love this channel.
Emulation truly is the sincerest form of flattery. I'd be stoked about copycats. If someone somewhere would think it's worth it to reverse engineer my designs, and even improve on the performance somewhat, all the while selling it for dirt cheap prices, i'd be over the moon. This is awesome!
Not much of a copy....
Kyle Rhaged Or is it *Dun dun dun*
It's a copy of a copy of a copy
The copy looks better
Mikayel Jamalyan but which works better?
@@ilikelobsters.2376 the copied one
@JermmyT The guy who copied his design made a video saying he copied it
The copy had the benefit of someone else doing a lot of research for them.
My dad used to have creative ideas and I'd quite often look at what he was doing and chuck in something like 'it'd work better upside down'.
I've never had an original idea in my life.
Maybe the copiest is like me - a developer, not an inventor.
But that's how humans became a success - standing on the shoulders of those that went before.
copy ? Turbine already exist many year
copy paste brock
Seon wei jie
Just a pinwheel in a metal ca .
haha
U make the rotor from dc small motor right? And cut in shape?
How much thrust does your turbine have compared to the copy?
They're just as similar as a BMW and a Honda. They're both cars, but not copies of each other. Different materials, quality, features and looks.
Claiming that they copied you is a bit pretentious in my opinion.
Not that I care anyway.
Tibor Klein
You Cared enough to comment
Yes, because UA-cam recommended this video for a week.
FAW - Arrh, you're a delicate little flower, aren't you sweetheart.
He actually make it clear than the "copy" is better than his design, you should watch the video before commenting...
You clearly didnt even watch the video
lol the rotor of the copy looks kind of like a swastika...
no shidd cpt. obvious
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That's like the person who invented the bicycle saying the person who invented the motorcycle copied his design...
Yeah that's a horrible analogy.
M4RK3T except john here said the copy was better built
Patrick’s Workshop, I'd argue a motorcycle is better built. I can go much faster and get much less tired riding my motorcycle compared to riding my bicycle.
Sorry but you kinda messed up this explanation.
He didn’t “invent” anything. This is more like the guy who made the rocking chair getting mad at the guy that made the lazyboy.
Its great how this guy isnt mad in the slightest how someone else just made a bigger version.
I have been wondering. If the cases were sealed and shared a stator wheel in between could this be a really tiny torque converter
The copy looks a little better no offense its because its factory
DJBATMANGOLD No a human can do that by hand
mini turbocharger?
Looking for 13B parts for my FC RX7
This guy isn't the first to make a small air powered turbine, so you could turn around and say, "HE STOLE IT"
In the last half of the video one of the turbines has its rotor in backwards. Does this affect performance?
3:21 Nazi copy your design :D
New macbook cooler ;)
Zuckerburger copied my idea ..
Well he copied zuckerberg's name so no surprise there buddy.
Zuckerburger ??
What can this be used for? If I build an enlarged version can it power something? Someone tell me
Remember "Ideas Are Bulletproof" they can only be modified but the idea will never vanished easily..
A lot of my ideas were copied too!!😡
What, making stupid comments on UA-cam? No.. I’m pretty sure that wasn’t your original idea.
dbranham123 daily dose of sarcasm
You know it!.. up high!👋🏼
what might those ideas be?
yeah such as the 4k tv that i totally thought of first but dident patent but i can still launch a nuclear bomb
Who cares. The 'copy' is better than your design in all the tests.
Protactinium For the same exact reason that you did.
Fking stupid asf
I take it you didn't even watch the video.
CookDoggyDogg of course he care. who doesnt feel happy knowing ur idea inspire other people to use it and improve it. u none creative trash
You Suck
nobody cares!
Well, you clicked on the video...
You cared enough to post some useless comment.
Obsidian Destroyer I do shit face
what are the practical applications of these mini turbines
Notice the rotor blade profiles are curved in opposite directions (relative to air flow) in the two turbine examples. This may be one reason for the significant performance variance.
So, does that make you want to make a better turbine than the copy? Maybe more blades and Tighter tolerances for more torque and higher RPMs still keeping the same material assembly weight? Maybe instead of 3 blades six blades at half the width?
I 'invented' the Bernoulli lifting surface for an aircraft I thought would take advantage of the surface area for armor. It was to shuttle troops. I abandoned the idea. Years later, I saw someone else using it in R/C aircraft. I felt so good someone used the idea, that I wanted to get all 'geeky' about it. They took that as a threat, "Sure you had that idea.". Here, that whole deal all I felt was smart because I had an idea that worked. You get pride involved in anything and it spoils it.
Being amazingly good enough to get copied is totally baller.
I designed a laser sighted Pool Cue and then found out someone had copied my idea a couple years earlier as it was already for sale before I even came up with a final design. I hate it it when people steal my ideas then go back in time to profit off them.
What engine are you using to add a load?
How is copy? Looks like taked normal size and made smaller.
Interesting but what are the applications for such a device?
What is this used for like a turbo in a little nitro engine?
You didn't invent the high speed pneumatic turbine, they have been in dental hand pieces forever.
Wow, the product everyone hopes to get on wish... The knock off that's better then the original.
The end covers bolted on is a nice added touch too. Giving a good natural mounting point and higher strength.
Yeah, looks like your fins also block more air inbetween passes of the blade. Like how the copy is rounded which applies a longer stream of air per fin pass. Cool stuff
At 3:00 the rotor in the 'copy' version appears to be installed backwards.
I would personally call it "improved version" rather than "copy". Both designs seems to be similar, but the "heart" of the turbine, as well as the clearance are very different.
They say that it's the utimate and most wonderful compliment "to you" when someone copies your design. I'd be proud of having made such a beautiful little tubine and have someone copy it. They obviously saw the potential and beauty of your design that they decided to explore it a bit and make their own version of it. I love that little turbine and i know who made it too, JohnnyQ90. Happy science fellow designer.
If you happened to have infinite compressed air, you can hook up an array of these to a bunch of small electric motors and make an air-powered generator. It’d be hella loud though
Richard Branson a month-to-month change over reverse fan or brakes and vacuum immediately stop gas valves off or enough PSI fan left on for 1 second.
Somehow you've got the concept safe enough
you're kidding me. they each have like 4 parts. from one engineer to another, that's the best way to build a microturbine. i would have done the same
What are the mini turbine used for?
So someone built the same design you did, and increased it's efficiency by a metic shit ton. I would've taken that personally.
Very modest of you to publish this, a rare move on UA-cam :-)