How I record guitars into Ableton Live with low or zero latency using Neural DSP plugins.

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  • @mystere9279
    @mystere9279 3 роки тому +38

    Nice to see another person using Ableton for metal. \m/

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks! You excited to get comping feature for Ableton 11? That’s the only thing I miss moving to Ableton from Logic. I still make it work, but that’s going to be a nice feature.

    • @mystere9279
      @mystere9279 3 роки тому +1

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic Yes! It's a feature I didn't know I needed in my life. How's that Neural DSP Gojira? I've heard it's very diverse. I've been using the Plini and Abasi, was thinking of adding the Gojira.

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому +1

      @@mystere9279 I haven’t even tried it yet. I’m saving the trial for a session where I know it’s going to shine through. Haven’t gotten there yet.

  • @auxorion
    @auxorion 3 роки тому +20

    You're an absolute lifesaver. I've been struggling to reduce my RT Latency and now I don't have to. THANK YOU

  • @jazzywillo10
    @jazzywillo10 2 роки тому +3

    I love how Baba has this polite and helpful demeanor while his music is so apocalyptically nar

  • @maltamusic
    @maltamusic Рік тому +1

    I had discovered this technique by myself and I thought I was the only one doing it because of my crap hardware :) Glad to see that other people are using it!

  • @ChinoMagliba
    @ChinoMagliba 10 місяців тому +1

    I thought this would not work! But it does!
    I have a very strong laptop (M1 Max MBP) and yes I’m still having latency when I already have multiple instances of Midi software so this is beginning to be a problem for me in the middle or at the end of a session project. This will really help me a lot on my takes and comping. Instead of recreating new instance and track inside DAW. Which consumes a lot of time! Thank you for this idea.

  • @devingrubbs
    @devingrubbs 3 роки тому +11

    Just set up two Input tracks for your guitar. Set one to IN, set the other to OFF. Output them both (Sends Only) to a Return Track instance of your amp sim. Arm the OFF track and record your DI there while you Monitor with the IN track. That'll save you from having to duplicate your settings in standalone.

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому +4

      That’s a good method too, thanks for that. This is just the way I do it, but I might try that way out next.

    • @devingrubbs
      @devingrubbs 3 роки тому +1

      ​@@BabaGhanoushMusic Yeah for sure. Might not work for bigger projects if your CPU is already maxing out, but for most sessions this works for me at 64-256 buffer size on a 2012 Mac Mini. I'm running GGD/Neural plugins as well. Your method has the advantage of higher buffer sizes for your project, though. I have to keep mine low until mixing stage. Another weird thing about Ableton vs other DAWs is it will actually print any monitoring latency onto your Armed track unless you have it set to OFF.

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому

      @@devingrubbs that’s something I realized when I first moved over from Logic to Ableton. It was weird for me at first to grasp. Also my method may or may not work depending on the specs of somebody’s rig. Works good on mine though. Cheers.

    • @fetyandodio
      @fetyandodio Місяць тому

      ​@@BabaGhanoushMusicplease try and video next

  • @mybiggrin
    @mybiggrin 2 роки тому

    This is a HILARIOUS & BRILLIANT workaround.

  • @shrednut
    @shrednut 2 роки тому +1

    It’s ridiculous that this works so well 😂
    You’d have thought it would tax the system more to run a separate standalone app!
    Thanks for the knowledge!

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому +1

      I know right? Luckily Neural plugins don’t bog my system resources too much

  • @slowdivisionmusic
    @slowdivisionmusic 3 роки тому

    Looks like a genius idea man !!!

  • @johnvault2430
    @johnvault2430 2 роки тому +1

    Name killed me! Had to SUB!

  • @twistedwizardry5153
    @twistedwizardry5153 2 роки тому

    Super awesome tip man thank you!

  • @soundleague
    @soundleague 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks bud I can't wait to try this after giving up! Will this work with any Neural DSP plugins?

  • @RandyBakkelund
    @RandyBakkelund 2 роки тому

    Dude, this is genius!! However I use Sonar, but I think the same idea applies to my latency issue with neural DSP! I just bought a new interface thinking that my old outdated interface might be the issue, but I needed a better one anyways. If I run into latency again when I try this out soon, then I will for sure use this tip! Very helpful video! Thanks

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the kind words, hope it helps in the future.

  • @neoconnor4395
    @neoconnor4395 Рік тому

    Your channel rocks. You're like the ableton-metal God send.

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  Рік тому +1

      Thanks. I like helping out.

    • @neoconnor4395
      @neoconnor4395 Рік тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic Dude, you fixed "latency" I've scrolled tons of videos that didn't even come close with your very simple solution to recording metal guitars.

    • @neoconnor4395
      @neoconnor4395 Рік тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic Like, why isn't everyone doing it like that? Makes no sense. Ableton tutorials, mentors I respect (seeds to stage) didn't have nearly as good of a solution. Your solution was so good I was like, 'Why didn't all those other videos show me this?"

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  Рік тому +1

      @@neoconnor4395 that’s wild. We’ll have to spread the good word.

    • @neoconnor4395
      @neoconnor4395 Рік тому

      @BabaGhanoushMusic It's really wild! I pretty much thought it was just something I had to live with (I'm new to ableton, so I'm completely naive)

  • @MegaChorro123
    @MegaChorro123 2 роки тому

    This helps a lot man thanks

  • @petruccifanboi
    @petruccifanboi 6 місяців тому

    Bravoo bro , neat trick !!

  • @Valisthean
    @Valisthean 3 місяці тому

    I was trying this yesterday but was getting some weird clipping from my DAW. Probably just need to mess around a bit more. But good to see my head was in the right place lol

  • @chriss4166
    @chriss4166 9 місяців тому

    Your chair squeaking scared the shit out of me lmao

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  9 місяців тому

      I replaced that squeaky little bastard for a Herman Miller!

  • @josefayala1974
    @josefayala1974 2 роки тому

    I really loved the drums here (also the invaluable info for the latency issue). Could you give me some tutorials or point me in the direction of how I can make some post hardcore drums ?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому

      Sure. Check out my video here, I use GGD Invasion. Following it step by step might be a good starting point then tweak as you go, hope it helps. ua-cam.com/video/2ZfTC4ft-X8/v-deo.html

  • @codyrathman
    @codyrathman 2 роки тому

    Great idea! I'm gonna try this same setup with Helix Native and hope that works out!

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому

      Let me know how it goes.

    • @codyrathman
      @codyrathman 2 роки тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic Sadly, I'm reporting back to say that no, this doesn't work since Helix Native is not a standalone program, it only works in the DAW so it introduces a lot of latency on sessions with many other vsts and plugins running. :(

  • @brycethomas1138
    @brycethomas1138 2 роки тому

    This is clutch. Thank you.

  • @makeszense
    @makeszense 3 роки тому

    Great solution! Thanks

  • @andreflores5060
    @andreflores5060 2 роки тому

    This is genius. Thank you

  • @cannibalmusicfamily4015
    @cannibalmusicfamily4015 3 роки тому

    Super helpful thanks a lot !

  • @S2Mongo
    @S2Mongo Рік тому

    Vet amd vet 3 are not coming up nothing is any help ?

  • @PseudoPulse
    @PseudoPulse 2 роки тому

    Great video. How did you get ableton to record in mono?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you. You see where it says number “1” on my guitar track right underneath “Ext. In”? If it said “1/2” instead, that means it’s recording both inputs from your interface as a stereo. Just switch it to the one input where your guitar is inserted into on the interface and you should be good to go.

  • @JBizzle822
    @JBizzle822 11 місяців тому

    how do i get neural dsp into ableton

  • @JSurm
    @JSurm 7 місяців тому

    My Neural Mesa plug in sounds amazing as a stand alone...but the second i incorporate it into my ableton its all muddy and echoey...i just dont get it. super frustrated right now....any recommendations?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  7 місяців тому

      Hmm. Could be a few things. Perhaps there are two different outputs going on in your DAW causing a weird echo. Check all your channels and make sure you only have one channel with one output going into master channel. Also check that your input on that channel is set to a mono input of whatever channel is on your interface.

  • @fetyandodio
    @fetyandodio Місяць тому

    Thank you, but drum and bass how to freeze?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  Місяць тому

      @@fetyandodio right click on the track and hit either Freeze Track (then move the frozen track to an audio channel) or Flatten Track (if you don’t want the source midi to remain).

    • @fetyandodio
      @fetyandodio Місяць тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic freeze is problem, because sidechain

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  Місяць тому

      @@fetyandodio turn side chain off and then freeze

  • @evertell7676
    @evertell7676 2 роки тому +1

    I think whatever you've produced there sounds great man. make more...not sure why you think you need to line things up with the mathematical precision of a NASA engineer...if anything, give a little more slop, gives it sort of an organic feel.

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the kind words. I agree with what you’re saying, but if it’s going to be natural slop, it needs to have NO latency. Natural slop and latency slop is too much sloppy Joe

    • @evertell7676
      @evertell7676 2 роки тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic I love sloppy Joes lol... But hey, for some generational perspective, when I left Detroit and high school in 1989, I had no name mic from s8 sound camera (probably Sears&Roebuck) plugged into my tape recorder. A few years later I "upgraded" to a DAT... Rock on!

  • @matthewjoshua1025
    @matthewjoshua1025 2 роки тому

    Righteous

  • @Wablow87
    @Wablow87 2 роки тому

    Why use this workaround over the "Monitor / Headphones" jack on most interfaces that offer near 0 latency? I use that when tracking along to tracks, all audio of tracks + guitar with processing comes though and it saves on CPU and Memory usage of having to load up an additional plugin.

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому +2

      Because all you’ll hear is the dry guitar track because we’re relying on the plugins to get the tones

  • @velhinho_91
    @velhinho_91 3 роки тому +1

    i use exclusively Ableton for metal recording, but im getting a minor issue wich is i can hear the clean tone in "the back" of the distortion clearly and also gets recorded.
    I tone the input all the way down on the Neural VST and it can still be heard quite clearly and its getting a little annoying.
    I usually get tired and use my real pedals instead...

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому

      Hmmm interesting. Could be some kind of monitoring setting on the track where you can hear whatever the input is before any processing no matter what. OR….it could be that you have monitoring turned on on your interface. If it’s on, turn it off completely. Hope that helps.

    • @itsbobb9250
      @itsbobb9250 Рік тому

      are you using focusrite interface? if yes, close the direct monitor button on the interface

  • @michaelmoneytv
    @michaelmoneytv Рік тому

    Even though your running a hackinstosh setuo for your audio setting do you still have to pick asio drivers? Trying to get my apollo to playback in the standalone but having issues getting it to connect with lower latency in windows configuration not mac

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  Рік тому

      I’ll be honest, I don’t remember what the drivers were on my Hackintosh. It may have been ASIO, but I fully moved onto windows now, no more Hackintosh. It does sound like a driver issue in your case.

  • @prashuryagoswami6122
    @prashuryagoswami6122 3 роки тому +1

    Your setup is in front of your kitchen?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому

      That’s correct. It’s basically my dining room area which I converted into my office/studio/gaming area 👍🏼

  • @fretboardartista1526
    @fretboardartista1526 2 роки тому

    I cant afford an interface and facing latency wih my electric any solutions for that

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому

      Unfortunately you’re going to need an audio interface, once connected it actually does a lot of the DSP processing so it doesn’t bog down your computer’s specs.

  • @darrenking4303
    @darrenking4303 2 роки тому

    i cant even get the amp sound to come through. i open the plugin through ableton and all im hearing are the strings. no amp plugin sound coming through. i just dont get it. I've been messing with this for 8 hours now

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому

      If you want to monitor what you’re recording, make sure your channel strings is set to Auto or On, obviously make sure your volume is turned up. Are you able to hear everything else out of Ableton and not just the amp plugin?

  • @bukowskimoho
    @bukowskimoho 2 роки тому

    how did you get that bloody red theme for ableton?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому

      It’s one of the stock themes in Ableton on MAC, I believe you can find it in the preference window. Yea, I switch between PC and MAC Ableton all the time and for sure it’s not on the PC one. I’m seeing that someone made a downloadable version for the PC in this link. It’s called OSX Dark Mode Theme www.musicianwave.com/ableton-live-themes-and-skins/

  • @SlowDeath1993
    @SlowDeath1993 Рік тому

    i kinda hear dty signal while i'm runnung the namless plugin how can i fix it?
    any way can you make a video of you explaing how to set latency on standalone?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  Рік тому +1

      You might be hearing the dry signal because your monitoring might be on on your interface for standalone, if it’s in a DAW then maybe it might be a monitoring setting in that track that might be on. For latency, I just keep going as low as possible until I don’t hear any clicks or pops. Mine is at 128 kbps at 44.1hz and I get about 4ms

    • @SlowDeath1993
      @SlowDeath1993 Рік тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic thanks

  • @atable6266
    @atable6266 2 роки тому

    HEY im getting some serious latency running neural dsp plugins as standalones do you know how to help me?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому

      Sure! For starters, what audio interface are you using on what OS? Also, what audio driver are you on in the standalone apps? It should be on ASIO if I’m not mistaken.

    • @atable6266
      @atable6266 2 роки тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic thank you so much! so im running windows 10 and i do have a pretty beefy system, r7 3700x and a 2060. for the standalone app i do have ASIO but whenever i select ASIO as a driver i cant hear what comes out of the standalone since it doesnt let me select an audio output.

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому

      @@atable6266 interesting. For me, I’m on windows too using focusrite Scarlett 2i2. I’ve got the audio device type as ASIO and audio device as focusrite usb ASIO, sample rate is currently at 44100 and I change the audio buffer size occasionally. Make sure your outputs and inputs are properly matching whatever you have going on on the interface! That should be it.

    • @atable6266
      @atable6266 2 роки тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic i run a focusrite solo 3rd gen are you able to monitor the archetype from the standalone? or are you listening in through your DAW,

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому

      @@atable6266 you can definitely monitor it, I use only the interface for everything. Either headphone out or the back inputs should be working as long as whichever one is in use is turned on in the settings of the archetype. If you want, we can quickly link up on discord or whatever’s so I can take a look

  • @DEATHREAPER330
    @DEATHREAPER330 3 роки тому

    If you have a scarlett 2i2 doesn't the direct monitor do this for you?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому

      I thought about that, but my speakers only use 1/8” input so I go through the headphone Jack of the Scarlett with an adapter. I haven’t messed with the direct monitoring, but I’m sure that will solve latency issues as well.

    • @DEATHREAPER330
      @DEATHREAPER330 3 роки тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic i literally just got one and the direct monitor is the best. I also do same with speakers

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому

      @@DEATHREAPER330 I’ll see if I can do something with direct monitoring with my current speaker setup for sure just to give it a try

    • @hotzemusic
      @hotzemusic 3 роки тому

      not to necro a thread but is NDSP standalone not still processing the signal at the host right? not on the way in? so I would think that direct monitoring would just pipe your DI signal into the monitors, yeah?

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  3 роки тому

      @@hotzemusic this was something I may have tried in the beginning and had no luck with. I think I was just hearing my clean DI when I tried it, therefore it was useless to me. But this method works real well for me if there’s a lot of latency that I can’t do anything about.

  • @matt6288joyce
    @matt6288joyce 2 роки тому

    What happens if you get latency on your standalone 😭

    • @BabaGhanoushMusic
      @BabaGhanoushMusic  2 роки тому +1

      Generally wouldn’t happen, even on my 2011 MacBook Pro I can keep the latency super low. The reason why stand-alone will work better in these situations is because I have so many plugins running in my session that it’ll cause my input signal to lag. Hence why I do it like this.

    • @matt6288joyce
      @matt6288joyce 2 роки тому

      @@BabaGhanoushMusic Makes perfect sense, I don’t know why it lagged for a while but your method is working wonders now! Thanks so much for the formations

  • @joshkikta3017
    @joshkikta3017 Рік тому +1

    meshuggah af

  • @Unanythang
    @Unanythang 2 роки тому

    nice work around but there has to be an actual way to fix this shit...