Thanks! You excited to get comping feature for Ableton 11? That’s the only thing I miss moving to Ableton from Logic. I still make it work, but that’s going to be a nice feature.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Yes! It's a feature I didn't know I needed in my life. How's that Neural DSP Gojira? I've heard it's very diverse. I've been using the Plini and Abasi, was thinking of adding the Gojira.
I had discovered this technique by myself and I thought I was the only one doing it because of my crap hardware :) Glad to see that other people are using it!
I thought this would not work! But it does! I have a very strong laptop (M1 Max MBP) and yes I’m still having latency when I already have multiple instances of Midi software so this is beginning to be a problem for me in the middle or at the end of a session project. This will really help me a lot on my takes and comping. Instead of recreating new instance and track inside DAW. Which consumes a lot of time! Thank you for this idea.
Just set up two Input tracks for your guitar. Set one to IN, set the other to OFF. Output them both (Sends Only) to a Return Track instance of your amp sim. Arm the OFF track and record your DI there while you Monitor with the IN track. That'll save you from having to duplicate your settings in standalone.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Yeah for sure. Might not work for bigger projects if your CPU is already maxing out, but for most sessions this works for me at 64-256 buffer size on a 2012 Mac Mini. I'm running GGD/Neural plugins as well. Your method has the advantage of higher buffer sizes for your project, though. I have to keep mine low until mixing stage. Another weird thing about Ableton vs other DAWs is it will actually print any monitoring latency onto your Armed track unless you have it set to OFF.
@@devingrubbs that’s something I realized when I first moved over from Logic to Ableton. It was weird for me at first to grasp. Also my method may or may not work depending on the specs of somebody’s rig. Works good on mine though. Cheers.
Dude, this is genius!! However I use Sonar, but I think the same idea applies to my latency issue with neural DSP! I just bought a new interface thinking that my old outdated interface might be the issue, but I needed a better one anyways. If I run into latency again when I try this out soon, then I will for sure use this tip! Very helpful video! Thanks
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Dude, you fixed "latency" I've scrolled tons of videos that didn't even come close with your very simple solution to recording metal guitars.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Like, why isn't everyone doing it like that? Makes no sense. Ableton tutorials, mentors I respect (seeds to stage) didn't have nearly as good of a solution. Your solution was so good I was like, 'Why didn't all those other videos show me this?"
I was trying this yesterday but was getting some weird clipping from my DAW. Probably just need to mess around a bit more. But good to see my head was in the right place lol
I really loved the drums here (also the invaluable info for the latency issue). Could you give me some tutorials or point me in the direction of how I can make some post hardcore drums ?
Sure. Check out my video here, I use GGD Invasion. Following it step by step might be a good starting point then tweak as you go, hope it helps. ua-cam.com/video/2ZfTC4ft-X8/v-deo.html
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Sadly, I'm reporting back to say that no, this doesn't work since Helix Native is not a standalone program, it only works in the DAW so it introduces a lot of latency on sessions with many other vsts and plugins running. :(
Thank you. You see where it says number “1” on my guitar track right underneath “Ext. In”? If it said “1/2” instead, that means it’s recording both inputs from your interface as a stereo. Just switch it to the one input where your guitar is inserted into on the interface and you should be good to go.
My Neural Mesa plug in sounds amazing as a stand alone...but the second i incorporate it into my ableton its all muddy and echoey...i just dont get it. super frustrated right now....any recommendations?
Hmm. Could be a few things. Perhaps there are two different outputs going on in your DAW causing a weird echo. Check all your channels and make sure you only have one channel with one output going into master channel. Also check that your input on that channel is set to a mono input of whatever channel is on your interface.
@@fetyandodio right click on the track and hit either Freeze Track (then move the frozen track to an audio channel) or Flatten Track (if you don’t want the source midi to remain).
I think whatever you've produced there sounds great man. make more...not sure why you think you need to line things up with the mathematical precision of a NASA engineer...if anything, give a little more slop, gives it sort of an organic feel.
Thanks for the kind words. I agree with what you’re saying, but if it’s going to be natural slop, it needs to have NO latency. Natural slop and latency slop is too much sloppy Joe
@@BabaGhanoushMusic I love sloppy Joes lol... But hey, for some generational perspective, when I left Detroit and high school in 1989, I had no name mic from s8 sound camera (probably Sears&Roebuck) plugged into my tape recorder. A few years later I "upgraded" to a DAT... Rock on!
Why use this workaround over the "Monitor / Headphones" jack on most interfaces that offer near 0 latency? I use that when tracking along to tracks, all audio of tracks + guitar with processing comes though and it saves on CPU and Memory usage of having to load up an additional plugin.
i use exclusively Ableton for metal recording, but im getting a minor issue wich is i can hear the clean tone in "the back" of the distortion clearly and also gets recorded. I tone the input all the way down on the Neural VST and it can still be heard quite clearly and its getting a little annoying. I usually get tired and use my real pedals instead...
Hmmm interesting. Could be some kind of monitoring setting on the track where you can hear whatever the input is before any processing no matter what. OR….it could be that you have monitoring turned on on your interface. If it’s on, turn it off completely. Hope that helps.
Even though your running a hackinstosh setuo for your audio setting do you still have to pick asio drivers? Trying to get my apollo to playback in the standalone but having issues getting it to connect with lower latency in windows configuration not mac
I’ll be honest, I don’t remember what the drivers were on my Hackintosh. It may have been ASIO, but I fully moved onto windows now, no more Hackintosh. It does sound like a driver issue in your case.
Unfortunately you’re going to need an audio interface, once connected it actually does a lot of the DSP processing so it doesn’t bog down your computer’s specs.
i cant even get the amp sound to come through. i open the plugin through ableton and all im hearing are the strings. no amp plugin sound coming through. i just dont get it. I've been messing with this for 8 hours now
If you want to monitor what you’re recording, make sure your channel strings is set to Auto or On, obviously make sure your volume is turned up. Are you able to hear everything else out of Ableton and not just the amp plugin?
It’s one of the stock themes in Ableton on MAC, I believe you can find it in the preference window. Yea, I switch between PC and MAC Ableton all the time and for sure it’s not on the PC one. I’m seeing that someone made a downloadable version for the PC in this link. It’s called OSX Dark Mode Theme www.musicianwave.com/ableton-live-themes-and-skins/
i kinda hear dty signal while i'm runnung the namless plugin how can i fix it? any way can you make a video of you explaing how to set latency on standalone?
You might be hearing the dry signal because your monitoring might be on on your interface for standalone, if it’s in a DAW then maybe it might be a monitoring setting in that track that might be on. For latency, I just keep going as low as possible until I don’t hear any clicks or pops. Mine is at 128 kbps at 44.1hz and I get about 4ms
Sure! For starters, what audio interface are you using on what OS? Also, what audio driver are you on in the standalone apps? It should be on ASIO if I’m not mistaken.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic thank you so much! so im running windows 10 and i do have a pretty beefy system, r7 3700x and a 2060. for the standalone app i do have ASIO but whenever i select ASIO as a driver i cant hear what comes out of the standalone since it doesnt let me select an audio output.
@@atable6266 interesting. For me, I’m on windows too using focusrite Scarlett 2i2. I’ve got the audio device type as ASIO and audio device as focusrite usb ASIO, sample rate is currently at 44100 and I change the audio buffer size occasionally. Make sure your outputs and inputs are properly matching whatever you have going on on the interface! That should be it.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic i run a focusrite solo 3rd gen are you able to monitor the archetype from the standalone? or are you listening in through your DAW,
@@atable6266 you can definitely monitor it, I use only the interface for everything. Either headphone out or the back inputs should be working as long as whichever one is in use is turned on in the settings of the archetype. If you want, we can quickly link up on discord or whatever’s so I can take a look
I thought about that, but my speakers only use 1/8” input so I go through the headphone Jack of the Scarlett with an adapter. I haven’t messed with the direct monitoring, but I’m sure that will solve latency issues as well.
not to necro a thread but is NDSP standalone not still processing the signal at the host right? not on the way in? so I would think that direct monitoring would just pipe your DI signal into the monitors, yeah?
@@hotzemusic this was something I may have tried in the beginning and had no luck with. I think I was just hearing my clean DI when I tried it, therefore it was useless to me. But this method works real well for me if there’s a lot of latency that I can’t do anything about.
Generally wouldn’t happen, even on my 2011 MacBook Pro I can keep the latency super low. The reason why stand-alone will work better in these situations is because I have so many plugins running in my session that it’ll cause my input signal to lag. Hence why I do it like this.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Makes perfect sense, I don’t know why it lagged for a while but your method is working wonders now! Thanks so much for the formations
Nice to see another person using Ableton for metal. \m/
Thanks! You excited to get comping feature for Ableton 11? That’s the only thing I miss moving to Ableton from Logic. I still make it work, but that’s going to be a nice feature.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Yes! It's a feature I didn't know I needed in my life. How's that Neural DSP Gojira? I've heard it's very diverse. I've been using the Plini and Abasi, was thinking of adding the Gojira.
@@mystere9279 I haven’t even tried it yet. I’m saving the trial for a session where I know it’s going to shine through. Haven’t gotten there yet.
You're an absolute lifesaver. I've been struggling to reduce my RT Latency and now I don't have to. THANK YOU
Awesome!
I love how Baba has this polite and helpful demeanor while his music is so apocalyptically nar
I had discovered this technique by myself and I thought I was the only one doing it because of my crap hardware :) Glad to see that other people are using it!
I thought this would not work! But it does!
I have a very strong laptop (M1 Max MBP) and yes I’m still having latency when I already have multiple instances of Midi software so this is beginning to be a problem for me in the middle or at the end of a session project. This will really help me a lot on my takes and comping. Instead of recreating new instance and track inside DAW. Which consumes a lot of time! Thank you for this idea.
Just set up two Input tracks for your guitar. Set one to IN, set the other to OFF. Output them both (Sends Only) to a Return Track instance of your amp sim. Arm the OFF track and record your DI there while you Monitor with the IN track. That'll save you from having to duplicate your settings in standalone.
That’s a good method too, thanks for that. This is just the way I do it, but I might try that way out next.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Yeah for sure. Might not work for bigger projects if your CPU is already maxing out, but for most sessions this works for me at 64-256 buffer size on a 2012 Mac Mini. I'm running GGD/Neural plugins as well. Your method has the advantage of higher buffer sizes for your project, though. I have to keep mine low until mixing stage. Another weird thing about Ableton vs other DAWs is it will actually print any monitoring latency onto your Armed track unless you have it set to OFF.
@@devingrubbs that’s something I realized when I first moved over from Logic to Ableton. It was weird for me at first to grasp. Also my method may or may not work depending on the specs of somebody’s rig. Works good on mine though. Cheers.
@@BabaGhanoushMusicplease try and video next
This is a HILARIOUS & BRILLIANT workaround.
Hahaha happy to help.
It’s ridiculous that this works so well 😂
You’d have thought it would tax the system more to run a separate standalone app!
Thanks for the knowledge!
I know right? Luckily Neural plugins don’t bog my system resources too much
Looks like a genius idea man !!!
Name killed me! Had to SUB!
I hope I was delicious and satisfactory!
Super awesome tip man thank you!
Enjoy!
Thanks bud I can't wait to try this after giving up! Will this work with any Neural DSP plugins?
Yea it’ll work with any of them 👍🏼
Dude, this is genius!! However I use Sonar, but I think the same idea applies to my latency issue with neural DSP! I just bought a new interface thinking that my old outdated interface might be the issue, but I needed a better one anyways. If I run into latency again when I try this out soon, then I will for sure use this tip! Very helpful video! Thanks
Thanks for the kind words, hope it helps in the future.
Your channel rocks. You're like the ableton-metal God send.
Thanks. I like helping out.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Dude, you fixed "latency" I've scrolled tons of videos that didn't even come close with your very simple solution to recording metal guitars.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Like, why isn't everyone doing it like that? Makes no sense. Ableton tutorials, mentors I respect (seeds to stage) didn't have nearly as good of a solution. Your solution was so good I was like, 'Why didn't all those other videos show me this?"
@@neoconnor4395 that’s wild. We’ll have to spread the good word.
@BabaGhanoushMusic It's really wild! I pretty much thought it was just something I had to live with (I'm new to ableton, so I'm completely naive)
This helps a lot man thanks
Bravoo bro , neat trick !!
🫶🏼
I was trying this yesterday but was getting some weird clipping from my DAW. Probably just need to mess around a bit more. But good to see my head was in the right place lol
Try setting the buffer to a bigger number
Your chair squeaking scared the shit out of me lmao
I replaced that squeaky little bastard for a Herman Miller!
I really loved the drums here (also the invaluable info for the latency issue). Could you give me some tutorials or point me in the direction of how I can make some post hardcore drums ?
Sure. Check out my video here, I use GGD Invasion. Following it step by step might be a good starting point then tweak as you go, hope it helps. ua-cam.com/video/2ZfTC4ft-X8/v-deo.html
Great idea! I'm gonna try this same setup with Helix Native and hope that works out!
Let me know how it goes.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Sadly, I'm reporting back to say that no, this doesn't work since Helix Native is not a standalone program, it only works in the DAW so it introduces a lot of latency on sessions with many other vsts and plugins running. :(
This is clutch. Thank you.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Great solution! Thanks
Hope it helps!
This is genius. Thank you
Super helpful thanks a lot !
Glad it helped.
Vet amd vet 3 are not coming up nothing is any help ?
Great video. How did you get ableton to record in mono?
Thank you. You see where it says number “1” on my guitar track right underneath “Ext. In”? If it said “1/2” instead, that means it’s recording both inputs from your interface as a stereo. Just switch it to the one input where your guitar is inserted into on the interface and you should be good to go.
how do i get neural dsp into ableton
My Neural Mesa plug in sounds amazing as a stand alone...but the second i incorporate it into my ableton its all muddy and echoey...i just dont get it. super frustrated right now....any recommendations?
Hmm. Could be a few things. Perhaps there are two different outputs going on in your DAW causing a weird echo. Check all your channels and make sure you only have one channel with one output going into master channel. Also check that your input on that channel is set to a mono input of whatever channel is on your interface.
Thank you, but drum and bass how to freeze?
@@fetyandodio right click on the track and hit either Freeze Track (then move the frozen track to an audio channel) or Flatten Track (if you don’t want the source midi to remain).
@@BabaGhanoushMusic freeze is problem, because sidechain
@@fetyandodio turn side chain off and then freeze
I think whatever you've produced there sounds great man. make more...not sure why you think you need to line things up with the mathematical precision of a NASA engineer...if anything, give a little more slop, gives it sort of an organic feel.
Thanks for the kind words. I agree with what you’re saying, but if it’s going to be natural slop, it needs to have NO latency. Natural slop and latency slop is too much sloppy Joe
@@BabaGhanoushMusic I love sloppy Joes lol... But hey, for some generational perspective, when I left Detroit and high school in 1989, I had no name mic from s8 sound camera (probably Sears&Roebuck) plugged into my tape recorder. A few years later I "upgraded" to a DAT... Rock on!
Righteous
Why use this workaround over the "Monitor / Headphones" jack on most interfaces that offer near 0 latency? I use that when tracking along to tracks, all audio of tracks + guitar with processing comes though and it saves on CPU and Memory usage of having to load up an additional plugin.
Because all you’ll hear is the dry guitar track because we’re relying on the plugins to get the tones
i use exclusively Ableton for metal recording, but im getting a minor issue wich is i can hear the clean tone in "the back" of the distortion clearly and also gets recorded.
I tone the input all the way down on the Neural VST and it can still be heard quite clearly and its getting a little annoying.
I usually get tired and use my real pedals instead...
Hmmm interesting. Could be some kind of monitoring setting on the track where you can hear whatever the input is before any processing no matter what. OR….it could be that you have monitoring turned on on your interface. If it’s on, turn it off completely. Hope that helps.
are you using focusrite interface? if yes, close the direct monitor button on the interface
Even though your running a hackinstosh setuo for your audio setting do you still have to pick asio drivers? Trying to get my apollo to playback in the standalone but having issues getting it to connect with lower latency in windows configuration not mac
I’ll be honest, I don’t remember what the drivers were on my Hackintosh. It may have been ASIO, but I fully moved onto windows now, no more Hackintosh. It does sound like a driver issue in your case.
Your setup is in front of your kitchen?
That’s correct. It’s basically my dining room area which I converted into my office/studio/gaming area 👍🏼
I cant afford an interface and facing latency wih my electric any solutions for that
Unfortunately you’re going to need an audio interface, once connected it actually does a lot of the DSP processing so it doesn’t bog down your computer’s specs.
i cant even get the amp sound to come through. i open the plugin through ableton and all im hearing are the strings. no amp plugin sound coming through. i just dont get it. I've been messing with this for 8 hours now
If you want to monitor what you’re recording, make sure your channel strings is set to Auto or On, obviously make sure your volume is turned up. Are you able to hear everything else out of Ableton and not just the amp plugin?
how did you get that bloody red theme for ableton?
It’s one of the stock themes in Ableton on MAC, I believe you can find it in the preference window. Yea, I switch between PC and MAC Ableton all the time and for sure it’s not on the PC one. I’m seeing that someone made a downloadable version for the PC in this link. It’s called OSX Dark Mode Theme www.musicianwave.com/ableton-live-themes-and-skins/
i kinda hear dty signal while i'm runnung the namless plugin how can i fix it?
any way can you make a video of you explaing how to set latency on standalone?
You might be hearing the dry signal because your monitoring might be on on your interface for standalone, if it’s in a DAW then maybe it might be a monitoring setting in that track that might be on. For latency, I just keep going as low as possible until I don’t hear any clicks or pops. Mine is at 128 kbps at 44.1hz and I get about 4ms
@@BabaGhanoushMusic thanks
HEY im getting some serious latency running neural dsp plugins as standalones do you know how to help me?
Sure! For starters, what audio interface are you using on what OS? Also, what audio driver are you on in the standalone apps? It should be on ASIO if I’m not mistaken.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic thank you so much! so im running windows 10 and i do have a pretty beefy system, r7 3700x and a 2060. for the standalone app i do have ASIO but whenever i select ASIO as a driver i cant hear what comes out of the standalone since it doesnt let me select an audio output.
@@atable6266 interesting. For me, I’m on windows too using focusrite Scarlett 2i2. I’ve got the audio device type as ASIO and audio device as focusrite usb ASIO, sample rate is currently at 44100 and I change the audio buffer size occasionally. Make sure your outputs and inputs are properly matching whatever you have going on on the interface! That should be it.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic i run a focusrite solo 3rd gen are you able to monitor the archetype from the standalone? or are you listening in through your DAW,
@@atable6266 you can definitely monitor it, I use only the interface for everything. Either headphone out or the back inputs should be working as long as whichever one is in use is turned on in the settings of the archetype. If you want, we can quickly link up on discord or whatever’s so I can take a look
If you have a scarlett 2i2 doesn't the direct monitor do this for you?
I thought about that, but my speakers only use 1/8” input so I go through the headphone Jack of the Scarlett with an adapter. I haven’t messed with the direct monitoring, but I’m sure that will solve latency issues as well.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic i literally just got one and the direct monitor is the best. I also do same with speakers
@@DEATHREAPER330 I’ll see if I can do something with direct monitoring with my current speaker setup for sure just to give it a try
not to necro a thread but is NDSP standalone not still processing the signal at the host right? not on the way in? so I would think that direct monitoring would just pipe your DI signal into the monitors, yeah?
@@hotzemusic this was something I may have tried in the beginning and had no luck with. I think I was just hearing my clean DI when I tried it, therefore it was useless to me. But this method works real well for me if there’s a lot of latency that I can’t do anything about.
What happens if you get latency on your standalone 😭
Generally wouldn’t happen, even on my 2011 MacBook Pro I can keep the latency super low. The reason why stand-alone will work better in these situations is because I have so many plugins running in my session that it’ll cause my input signal to lag. Hence why I do it like this.
@@BabaGhanoushMusic Makes perfect sense, I don’t know why it lagged for a while but your method is working wonders now! Thanks so much for the formations
meshuggah af
nice work around but there has to be an actual way to fix this shit...
I wish. I’m sure in the near future.