After Occupation: Why Didn't Germany Hold a Grudge?

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  • @JackRackam
    @JackRackam  8 місяців тому +331

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    • @JNSP-kk7py
      @JNSP-kk7py 8 місяців тому +2

      hi

    • @danielsantiagourtado3430
      @danielsantiagourtado3430 8 місяців тому +3

      Love your content 😊😊😊

    • @arnijulian6241
      @arnijulian6241 8 місяців тому

      If you spoke German like myself & had talked to former Nazi mainly Women from the former national-socialist Women's league/Nationalsozialistische Frauenschaft you would realize the German really haven't changed deep down.
      All the Germans need to happen is their economy slumps or their ways of life are threated by say millions of migrants like Angela Merkel allowed opening the flood gates to Europe Schengen zone & then it is only a matter of time till old German habits of genocide return.
      Trust me when the Germans have a mad 1/2 an hour they lose their minds becoming meth monsters.
      Adolph along with the party let alone the nation was high as kites on meth, cocaine & opiates.
      So you know 1/4 of Germans have used hard illicit drugs & in practice do not prevent or tackle their usage.
      Regular users include 1 in 10 Germans.
      As Germany living condition worsen they will turn to drugs till their economy collapses turning once again to world conquest with a 4th rather then a 2nd & 3rd Reich.
      The German People have not changed & trust me we Englishmen are saints in comparison.
      Better to have the forcing you to pay tax rather then a German scientist sterilizing you or vivisecting you which is life dissection.
      Britain's crown was just as cruel to the English as it was to the colonies for the average life span of English working class child in most of the Victorian age was 7 years of age.
      What a lot don't understand about England is it has been under occupation by the Normans since 1066 & it never ended.
      Our departed Queen & her son Charles ''the simpleton'' lineage are German & Austo-Hungarian.
      We English haven't ruled our own lands since Oliver Cromwell & 15% of the male population died in our English civil war seeing of 17 other mainly catholic nations.
      Read (The Secret People) by G. K. Chesterton.
      I recommend it for then you might understand we Englishmen & what we really think of those toffs that reign over us from the continent!

    • @timfortune9
      @timfortune9 8 місяців тому +3

      Well, 7 of my 8 great-grandparents are off the boat immigrants and the one that isn't, my family has the tree dating back to the 17th century.
      And then for one of those 7, it's officially documented that we're not only descended from a King of Poland, but THE King of Poland (Jan III Sobieski).

    • @JonMow
      @JonMow 8 місяців тому +6

      german in Argentina? pffft a german in canada would be hailed as freedom fighting hero

  • @dibaterman
    @dibaterman 8 місяців тому +4950

    So Jacks here talking about Nazi's then says the sponsor is his heritage. Not looking at the screen at the time makes it better. XD

    • @frenzalrhomb6919
      @frenzalrhomb6919 8 місяців тому +119

      I couldn't believe my ears, or my eyes!! 🤣

    • @westrim
      @westrim 8 місяців тому +274

      I did Nazi that coming.

    • @frenzalrhomb6919
      @frenzalrhomb6919 8 місяців тому +110

      @@westrim Neider did eye.

    • @dsxa918
      @dsxa918 8 місяців тому +55

      I had a little lol @ him saying "especially if youre living in argentina"

    • @gobbotits1686
      @gobbotits1686 8 місяців тому +21

      Jack's grandparents are Argentinan

  • @dariusgunter5344
    @dariusgunter5344 8 місяців тому +4537

    As a German I'd argue what killed the Nazi idiology in Germany was the generation after the war. The fact so many Nazis got away, the fact no one made excuses for Nazism on a large scale, the fact the blame was accepted early on, allowed the following generation to see, read and learn about the unfairness of the original nürenberg trials and they went to correct them.

    • @Michael-YTCSAD
      @Michael-YTCSAD 8 місяців тому +432

      Indeed. I'm disappointed that the Allies didn't force Argentina to hand over the Nazi's they were harboring post-war.

    • @J-manli
      @J-manli 8 місяців тому

      @@Michael-YTCSAD
      And there’s the USA’s project paper clips that literally absolved Nazi scientists from their trials and willingly brought them to the US and gave them government jobs. Got to remember that the eugenics movement didn’t die with Hitler, it only rebranded.

    • @belafrank9866
      @belafrank9866 8 місяців тому +161

      I'd argue it's not gone. Did you see the surveys about asylum and that the afd has 23%?

    • @Spooglecraft
      @Spooglecraft 8 місяців тому +476

      ​@@belafrank9866 something like that is never truly gone, but i'd argue that the vast majority of afd voters aren't actually into nazism. the vast majority of afd voters are scared and feel like the afd is the only party actually listening to them.

    • @saschawagner5167
      @saschawagner5167 8 місяців тому +259

      @@Michael-YTCSAD 90% of post war juges in germany were the same as in the 3rd reich ....the western allies were more interested in gaining an ally agist the east at a certain point. That germans not slid back to real nazis (compared to highly nationalistic partys) was due to a clear sighn of things geting better with the marschal plan. You dont go radical when you have a contry to rebuild and its geting visible better.

  • @ZSTE
    @ZSTE 6 місяців тому +531

    You cracked the code in your video, if people are happy, fed, and housed, they won't support crazy ideas and go to desperate measures. Fear usually is the driving factor of bad actions.

    • @telefellavision
      @telefellavision 3 місяці тому +4

      The hegelian dialectic

    • @telefellavision
      @telefellavision 3 місяці тому +7

      @@OvertRevival 'merica. You can't make something great again when it was never great to begin with.
      All roads lead back to Rome but all religions lead back to kabbalah.

    • @rosanero5250
      @rosanero5250 2 місяці тому +13

      To paraphrase FDR “dictatorships are made by people who are hungry and out of a job”

    • @EinDeutscherPatriot620
      @EinDeutscherPatriot620 Місяць тому

      Mm, that's what the Romans did and they used the comfort of their people against them. Disaster and hunger brings desperate change. Look at the French and Russian revolutions. Contentment gives the government perfect opportunities to rear end and manipulate their people

    • @user-mf6li4sw6n
      @user-mf6li4sw6n Місяць тому

      The reparations plus the Great Depression crippled the economy. Resentment builds. A hard working and moral people are suddenly hungry and broke. There were reasons the Jews were not loved . If you have ever worked a service job and dealt with an older German woman you would understand. If you have ever worked with a Jewish American Princess you would understand why the Jews are not held in high regard.

  • @-MarcelDavis-
    @-MarcelDavis- 6 місяців тому +474

    As a German, I'd argue that change was also in part driven by the next generation, the "68er Bewegung". The people who lived during the Nazi era were all to happy to either sweep the atrocities under the rug, justify them as a necessary evil or openly contest that Germany was in the wrong altogether (people neither like being told, nor do they like to view themselves, as evil. No matter how heinous the crime, people will find a way to justify it to themselves if given the chance). However the next generation of Germans started asking questions and wouldnt take "it was just a war like any other" as an answer. They demanded complete denazification and antifacism and that we acknowledge our past. Another important bit was the economic miracle, as you said. Besides providing jobs, food and shelter for the people, the economic upturn was also a source of pride, which is more important than people might think.
    The treaty of Versailles for example, wasn't actually all that special or harsh when compared to other treaties of it's time (in terms of reperations). What really riled up the people wasn't the reperations but the "Kriegsschuldparagraph", the article about who's to blame for the war. The people thought it was insulting that Germany alone was blamed for WW1 (it was very much a group effort). Neutering the military, which was quite possiblly the main source of pride in such a militaristic society as impirial Germany, didn't go down well either.

    • @tonchrysoprase8654
      @tonchrysoprase8654 6 місяців тому

      That may romanticize that generation a tad. I think their major contribution was resenting their parents and taking it out on their kids by making pretty much everything in the kids' education about the Reich and how horrible it was. It worked at least thus far, so I'm not arguing. But the brunt of the actual dealing with the past was borne by those born starting in the mid 60s.

    • @Justin.Martyr
      @Justin.Martyr 6 місяців тому

      *You Had a RePly but some NaZi U-666-Tuber KiLLed it !!!*

    • @bunk95
      @bunk95 6 місяців тому

      Slaves marketed as Germans are often unattractive when compared to germanic peoples. I know in a Royal Blooded germanic.

    • @TheLittleWolf2309
      @TheLittleWolf2309 6 місяців тому +26

      I do understand your point and agree on some part of it, but in my opinion and from what I know, the treaty of Versailles was really harsh. They were as you said solely blamed for the 1 world war and so they had to pay a humongous amount of money. And then the French decided to be petty and occupied the Rhur Valley, the industrial heart of Germany and the Great Depression arrived and basically with all this, the economy failed and everything went to hell. I understand and do agree on your point but I don’t think minimizing the effects and how bad the treaty of Versailles is a good argument because it’s a big factor that contributed to the resentment of the German people and to the election of Hitler.

    • @Tacitus-qd3ev
      @Tacitus-qd3ev 5 місяців тому +2

      That is what the 68er claim nowadays, but there is little to support this view. All the big Nazi trials happened before 1968, and if you analyze speeches of famous 68er figures you'll see that most of them had little interest in the Nazi past aside from trying to delegitimize their opponents.

  • @prettypic444
    @prettypic444 8 місяців тому +1536

    My grandfather was part of the first group of US army soldiers stationed in Germany (he was literally on the train from Paris to Berlin when the cease fire happened). His CO told them they’d actually had the most dangerous job, because they’d have to fight against the German resistance who wanted revenge. Instead, he spent his tour guarding flour trucks against starving civilians. I think that really shaped his kind and caring nature- he became a teacher and spent his retirement years teaching ESL to refugees and watching their children.

    • @Ocker3
      @Ocker3 8 місяців тому +79

      An incredibly heart warming story from what could have been a brutal experience. His parents really raised him right, that's solid humanity!

    • @OscarOSullivan
      @OscarOSullivan 8 місяців тому +47

      Your grandfather was sound

    • @masonsmith3452
      @masonsmith3452 7 місяців тому +14

      Man is a bloody legend.

    • @prettypic444
      @prettypic444 7 місяців тому +39

      @@masonsmith3452 if you mean "legendary" in terms of always having candy and toys for the kids, than yes! he was also famous in our family for being able to get any baby or toddler to fall asleep. we used to joke that if there was a child under 3 in the room, he'd be holding in 5 minutes and the kid would be asleep in 10

    • @NigerianPrinceofNigeria
      @NigerianPrinceofNigeria 7 місяців тому +3

      Esperanto sign language?

  • @legateelizabeth
    @legateelizabeth 8 місяців тому +173

    "This video about 1940's Germany is sponsored by My Heritage!"
    _Oh no_

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 24 дні тому

      It's nonsensical to associate the two things and level everything dude

  • @tirididjdjwieidiw1138
    @tirididjdjwieidiw1138 6 місяців тому +131

    Napoleon didn’t split germany, he created the confederation of the rhine to administer some of the german states more effectively. The holy roman emperor who was emperor of austria as well, didn’t want napeleon to take the title, so he dissolved the holy roman empire

    • @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
      @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Місяць тому +9

      The holy Roman empire neither holy nor Roman was a spent force by then and rather hoary

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat 27 днів тому

      @@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Greatest branding exercise in history though.

  • @AFGuidesHD
    @AFGuidesHD 6 місяців тому +106

    "What stopped the Germans from coming back" lmao
    but hey, watch this space, only time will tell.

    • @thesmithersy
      @thesmithersy 4 місяці тому +4

      Because they found out they were crap at world wars!

    • @KebboStar
      @KebboStar 2 місяці тому +11

      @@thesmithersyThe almost made it to the point of minimal victory twice. And almost won in wwII but someones ego got in the way at staliningrad

    • @Failure_studios29090
      @Failure_studios29090 2 місяці тому +19

      ​@@thesmithersycrap? They held on against great powers for years, I wouldn't call that crap lmao

    • @thesmithersy
      @thesmithersy 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Failure_studios29090 But they still lost!

    • @Failure_studios29090
      @Failure_studios29090 2 місяці тому +19

      @@thesmithersy that don't mean they're crap, that's like saying the usa is crap at wars because it lost to a bunch of rice farmers in vietnam

  • @ottovonbismarck1352
    @ottovonbismarck1352 8 місяців тому +869

    7:27, I believe Hoover was a major humanitarian during WW1, responsible for supplying food to civilians, including in Germany and in the former Russian empire during their civil war. Regarding his efforts in Russia, he said something to the effect of “i don’t care if I’m feeding the Bolsheviks there are millions of people starving and someone needs to help them.”
    That’s probably why his input was so significant.

    • @Jimbo55151
      @Jimbo55151 8 місяців тому +138

      His work in Belgium supplying food to 9 million people is considered one of the most successful private humanitarian organization successes of all time

    • @ffreeze9924
      @ffreeze9924 8 місяців тому +156

      Hoover was a really great guy weirdly enough considering how terribly he handled the great depression. You'd think he was some heartless monster but really he tried his best, just that he was completely wrong about what needed to get done. He was originally nominated by the republicans because neither party could find a good candidate and he just happened to be fairly well liked. More tragic than unlikable

    • @jodhod1498
      @jodhod1498 8 місяців тому +71

      ​@@ffreeze9924It made sense considering what he succeeded at. His whole life story was a Libertarian "Leave the people alone and private charity of the rich will solve everything" success story, he merely applied that reasoning to how governments should be run.

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 8 місяців тому

      @@jodhod1498 will you please shut up. Hoover was never in favor of government hands off laissez-faire economics. That’s a myth they repeat in history class. He pushed for and signed into law the most intrusive high tariff in American history at the worst possible time. Causing retaliatory tariffs on mass. He’s the one that advocated that businesses keep on employees even though that was an absolutely stupid move to attempt during an economic downturn. He was the one that pushed for big public works projects to stimulate growth which didn’t make a dent besides getting the government into more debt and making it even less trustworthy for bonds, dollars, and investment. FDR was a continuation and expansion of Hooverism.
      Edit: (sorry for sounding harsh)

    • @Elyseon
      @Elyseon 8 місяців тому +41

      ​@jodhod1498 Too bad the rich only act in their own self-interest. Charity is just a way for them to buy positive PR, and letting them take over the government has proven disastrous.

  • @EpicgamerwinXD6669
    @EpicgamerwinXD6669 8 місяців тому +764

    Considering they're rich now, I think this quote sums it up: "There is no profit to be made from the destruction of the world. It's very bad for business."

    • @Significantpower
      @Significantpower 8 місяців тому

      "We've been fighting France for control of Europe for centuries. Let's team up with them and control Europe with money instead."

    • @brook_angel
      @brook_angel 8 місяців тому +95

      ​@@thatmoonant4256who would've thought that not spending money on the extermination of random minorities saves money that can be exchanged for goods and services.

    • @brook_angel
      @brook_angel 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356mostly just kinda kept to themself I think

    • @oceanberserker
      @oceanberserker 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 Look up 'Swiss Banking Scandal.' That should explain it.

    • @rickyplaysbyear7663
      @rickyplaysbyear7663 8 місяців тому +7

      Which Rule of Acquisition is that?

  • @eljanrimsa5843
    @eljanrimsa5843 6 місяців тому +42

    You didn't mention the Montanunion, the idea to combine the heavy industry in France, Germany and the Benelux. The economic cooperation between France and Germany was a controversial new approach in both countries, but it worked out really well, it brought together the former arch enemies, and was the first step to what is now the European Union.

    • @Jotari
      @Jotari 8 днів тому

      So much of society just goes back to the economy beneath all the political posturing.

  • @ricardod6610
    @ricardod6610 4 місяці тому +44

    don't jinx it...

    • @FazedSoul
      @FazedSoul 2 місяці тому

      🥶

    • @CantoniaCustoms
      @CantoniaCustoms 8 днів тому

      The AFD is gaining traction in germany with the pop song translating roughly to "foreigners out" being a popular trend online.

  • @Elitist20
    @Elitist20 8 місяців тому +1598

    I think there's a German word that translates as 'labour of remembrance' describing things like the Berlin Holocaust memorial and stolpersteins ('stumbling stones' - brass plaques placed on the pavement outside the homes of holocaust victims). While the Germans of the 40s, 50s, and 60s wanted to forget, later generations started to ask uncomfortable questions of their elders about what happened. It's an ongoing process.
    UPDATE: Reading some of the comments, I'm reminded of the line of Brecht's at the end of 'Cross of Iron':
    "Don't rejoice in his defeat, you men.
    For though the world stood up and stopped the bastard,
    The bitch that bore him is in heat again."

    • @mop330
      @mop330 8 місяців тому

      It's all just jewish humiliation rituals

    • @PunishedMushu
      @PunishedMushu 8 місяців тому +57

      I like to ask the ethnicity of the founder of the first trans clinic

    • @johnv4994
      @johnv4994 8 місяців тому +187

      @@PunishedMushu I'd like to ask what connection ethnicity has with one's actions, good, bad, or otherwise

    • @anarchopupgirl
      @anarchopupgirl 8 місяців тому

      @@PunishedMushu say it with your chest, coward.

    • @AnalGravey
      @AnalGravey 8 місяців тому +30

      Anything outside alzimers or dementia. Germans from the 40s,50s,60s SHOULD remember because there parents started it and i don't want them repeating history's like it's famous for

  • @LoneBarren
    @LoneBarren 7 місяців тому +513

    I think 2 extremely important factors you left out were the Marshall Plan and the subsequent Berlin Airlift. It signalled that there was a future for Germany in co-operation with the west. It showed that not only did they have a common enemy, but that their new allies were willing to go above and beyond to help them despite the war just 3 years earlier. That their commitment to assisting Germany was not just for show but was real

    • @Ccity93749
      @Ccity93749 7 місяців тому +16

      That and the fact that the only alternative was bolshevism.

    • @hanaluong2672
      @hanaluong2672 6 місяців тому +6

      "It signalled that there was a future for Germany in co-operation with the west." I grew up in Vietnam. When I was a kid, I heard all kinds of VN govn't 's propaganda. Germany was the West or at least a major part of the West...Here you are talking about Germany cooperating with the West.😄Just a different point of view!

    • @shazide5358
      @shazide5358 6 місяців тому +21

      @@hanaluong2672 Not different points of view but Marshal Plan and Vietnam were at different times.

    • @tatfly5779
      @tatfly5779 6 місяців тому

      the west is the reason nzism is coming back in german elites,what stopped it was the way the union acted after ww2 aka mercifully we still get ty letters to this day from family members of german citizens that soviets soldiers saved in berlin from under the ruble and assisted with food that and the constant work rus did to find relatives of ww 2 soldiers despite the side people were fighting from,the west on the other had sterilised 40% of the populace it took in.

    • @hecagamer
      @hecagamer 6 місяців тому +5

      Yeah, that or just to put a proud and fake ass display of the few "good" sides of capitalism right on USSR's doorstep. They didn't do it out the kindness of their heart. It was calculated, like their whole participation in the war.

  • @surrelljr
    @surrelljr 6 місяців тому +61

    Some of my friends were/are German, very rarely does the subject come up. When it does, they are hesitant and I can tell and have been told it is a dark mark on their history, something that they are not proud of. They are still proud to be German, just not good for their national conscience. They’re great friends and I never hesitate to help them if they need it.

    • @corneliahanimann2173
      @corneliahanimann2173 4 місяці тому +6

      I noticed this too, and I feel like the germans did something very different about how they talk about their history to their students compared to americans...I have met many americans that are almost proud of hiroshima, but have never met a german that was not regretful about their history.

    • @JuandeMariana1994
      @JuandeMariana1994 Місяць тому

      ​@@corneliahanimann2173 Pocos alemanes conoces.

  • @Arcian
    @Arcian 6 місяців тому +29

    Holding a grudge is what got their country literally leveled with the ground. At a certain point of humiliation, pain and heartbreak, it's just not worth it anymore.

    • @edwinhuang9244
      @edwinhuang9244 Місяць тому +5

      Pretty sure that getting their country leveled with the ground tends to create more grudges, so that's not the reason why.

    • @ParrotPentester
      @ParrotPentester Місяць тому +3

      not to mention the more you appologize to people you consider allies, the more they realize they can take advantage of you. (I'm not referring to jews here, i'm referring to the ones who use anti-semetism as a fake cry)

    • @books_2038
      @books_2038 3 дні тому

      Yeah but it was a hella of a start

  • @adamporter5910
    @adamporter5910 8 місяців тому +95

    "Come back. Stalin is not a man who solves his problems with purges." Brilliant 😂

  • @christopherg2347
    @christopherg2347 8 місяців тому +574

    The defeat was intentionally made unambiguous. The allies did _not_ want another "Stab in the back" myth.
    They were actually pretty worried about someone managing to kill Hitler. Because that one might have surrendered early.

    • @westrim
      @westrim 8 місяців тому +29

      Yep. Sometimes, to make something last, you gotta do it the hard way.

    • @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
      @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 8 місяців тому +24

      ​@@westrimyes indeed most real wars are a contest of attrition blitzkrieg rapid action stuff is more of a myth which has fetishised rather

    • @dkupke
      @dkupke 8 місяців тому +128

      A major reason for the stabbed in the back mythos was the fact that Germany wasn’t occupied after the First World War. The entente forced Germany out of territory it had occupied but never marched into Germany itself. So the Germans did not feel like a truly defeated people, a d hence why the treaty of Versailles was such a shock to them.

    • @curses6166
      @curses6166 8 місяців тому

      ​@@dkupkeAs the war ended, revolution broke out in Germany and many of the leaders were Jewish.

    • @WH40KHero
      @WH40KHero 8 місяців тому +62

      @@dkupke Keep also in mind that the French deliberately fleeced Germany using that contract, probably as revenge for the war of 1870.
      A big part of the resentment came about because of that paper.

  • @stargazer-elite
    @stargazer-elite 2 місяці тому +12

    Germany: we’re so sorry about the horrible things we didn’t during the war
    Italy: us too
    Japan: war? What war I don’t remember any war…

    • @Ashlyn46
      @Ashlyn46 29 днів тому +3

      Correction:
      War? What war? I don't think we got involved...

    • @ozand8497
      @ozand8497 19 днів тому

      Italy isn't really sorry. Mussolini is still respected in Italy.

    • @Jotari
      @Jotari 8 днів тому +1

      I don't think Italy ever really apologized about their war time actions. And, honestly, they didn't actually do many majorly heinous things from what I've heard. They gave Jews to the Nazis, like everyone else in mainland Europe, and they invaded North Africa unprovoked, but that was a European pass time back then. The worst stuff the Italians did relative to other war powers were probably done to other Italians.

  • @joedellinger9437
    @joedellinger9437 6 місяців тому +33

    The story of the new currency is worth telling! The first year’s coins were minted in the US and flown to Germany. They didn’t say “Bundesrepublik Deutschland” but “Bank Deutsche Lander”. Everyone got an equal allotment initially. All previous currencies were declared void but there were mechanisms to legally convert them to the new currencies, with limitations. The new 10 Pfennig pieces from that year (1948) were still in circulation right up until the Euro was introduced in 1999.

    • @thiloreichelt4199
      @thiloreichelt4199 6 місяців тому +5

      Imagine: the German central bank is older than the country itself! That does tell something about the priorities at that time (there were practical reasons as well). But it makes sense, Germany had had TWO gigantic inflation crises before.

    • @shelbynamels7948
      @shelbynamels7948 Місяць тому

      The history of a country's currency is as fascinating and meaningful as the wars it fights. It says a lot about the political sentiments and the way it sees itself and what it considers important from the way it is designed ( what persons are selected to be on the denominations, i.e.) to the way it is legally designated.
      In Germany, the Reichsmark was still legal tender until the introduction of the Bundesmark years later, even tho technically, the governing authority, the Nazi government, had ceased to exist.
      Fiat currency if there ever was one.

  • @uleubner
    @uleubner 7 місяців тому +48

    My father was German, born in the 1930s. His early memories include the occupation.
    One thing to remember is that Germans knew that it was personally dangerous to defy or upset occupation forces. You don't tell the people with the guns the things that you really think, you tell them the things they want to hear. So there are certain biases that the descendants of Allied occupation forces heard from German civilians.
    The Western allies also had the silent threat of pointing to the Russians. "If you don't behave yourselves, we can leave and let *them* have at you.

    • @goodone5590
      @goodone5590 3 місяці тому

      Actions have consequences! germany has no wright to hold a so called "grudge" as the title of the video, the only reason they could hold a grudge as sour losers who lost a war that they started, so yall have no wright to hold anything against. The defeat of your own doing, its quite offensive if any did hold a grudge!

    • @andrewvaldivia4875
      @andrewvaldivia4875 Місяць тому

      @@goodone5590the war had already begun when they placed sanctions and reparations on germany after ww1 everyone has a different perspective imagine yourself as a german after ww1 you’d be angry,depressed, struggling, and etc. not to mention germany offered to liberate 7 out of 9 countries it conquered and also offered to puppet poland keep danzig and a couple of french provinces in return of peace. Churchill decline which resulted in 40+ million deaths educate yourself before you play the blame game there are two sides to every argument.

    • @JuandeMariana1994
      @JuandeMariana1994 Місяць тому

      ​@@goodone5590Idiot

  • @Soguwe
    @Soguwe 8 місяців тому +463

    You shouldn't also forget the incredible technical youngness of Germany at that time
    Germany was so young and so volatile, it had changed political systems multiple times in one human lifespan
    That's why stability seemed so alluring
    Hitler took the pile of gunpowder that was the Weimarer Republik and brought stability for 12 whole years
    He did it at the cost of almost 100 million lifes, but he did it(and the Germans didn't actually care for most of those lifes lost)
    That's why cries for a new Führer went up, the Germans wanted the stability one man in power could provide
    And they got it. Adenauer was in power longer than das dritte Reich existed.
    Adenauer brought stability, he brought opportunity, he brought food and wealth back to Germany
    Of course the Germans didn't look back. Responsibility and international cooperation did us _way_ better than killing Jews ever did

    • @EzekielDeLaCroix
      @EzekielDeLaCroix 8 місяців тому

      The German Civil War had nothing to do with Addy H. It was a fight between the Weimar Government alongside the Freikorps against Communist Germans.

    • @Engifarting456
      @Engifarting456 8 місяців тому +5

      it literally wasnt 100 milion it was 50 milion for ww2

    • @Soguwe
      @Soguwe 8 місяців тому +67

      @@Engifarting456 if you only account for direct casualties of war
      War is rarely that kind
      Disease and famine caused by WWII claimed about another 20 to 30 million

    • @fictionwojak3595
      @fictionwojak3595 8 місяців тому

      80 - 90 million including civilian deaths and military casualties, as well as missing persons.@@Engifarting456

    • @voidtremor6329
      @voidtremor6329 8 місяців тому +35

      @@Engifarting456 I think you were missing his point anyways. The number is still fucking absurd and I dearly hope we never have another war like it ever for the rest of human history. I'm convinced we couldn't recover from a third world war.

  • @donal935
    @donal935 6 місяців тому +5

    Americas policy with pacifying Germany, Japan, came down to 3 things.
    1) Mass constitutional reforms. Restrict the country at a governmental level with new constitutions and systems of power that prevent it from becoming a geo-political hard-power actor.
    2) Economic growth. Tie their economy to the USA in such a way that the normal citizen will be more well off and less likely to demand change. Nobody ever rebelled on a full stomach.
    3) Fear of the USSR. Both the German government and its people would have much rather been a part of the western allies sphere of influence than that of the USSR. This point helps bolster support across the board on allying with the USA.

  • @dimitri1154
    @dimitri1154 6 місяців тому +5

    France 🇫🇷 being on the "winner team" after:
    1. Giving up Northern and Central France pretty much voluntarily and making Paris a "free city". Occupied Paris was a cakewalk, with open businesses, public transportation and bakeries during German occupation compared to the methodical scorched earth genocide in German-occupied USSR and eastern europe.
    2. All of Southern France was allied with Germany (General Petain's Vichy France)
    3. France had a TON of Nazi sympathizers and volunteers in Germany's elite units. The Reichstag in fact was defended from Soviets by French and Dutch SS volunteers.
    Frances 🇫🇷 post war status is owed ENTIRELY to DeGaul and his relationship with Stalin, not any effort of France in the war.

  • @Idk-yf5fv
    @Idk-yf5fv 8 місяців тому +741

    The key to de-radicalisation does end up being economic growth. Unhappiness is why we want change so making people not starve is how you prevent drastic change. The Weimar Republic was somewhat fine during the roaring twenties and the Nauis knew that they had to act in 1933 because the economy was recovering and once it had they might not have had another shot at seizing power.
    Note that I'm German so those are the examples I've been exposed to the most so I'm obviously biased and working with a small sample size but I still think it somewhat holds up

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow 8 місяців тому +52

      OTOH there are plenty of societies today that have become wealthy while also failing to de-radicalize or indeed becoming more radical.

    • @jamesflynn6827
      @jamesflynn6827 8 місяців тому

      I'd like to dispute this, this is a theory that people radicalized simply because of the economy and that is simply wrong. It is a myth that people voted for the nazis because of the economy, it is a myth because it ignores everything that happened before it ignores the already existing Antisemitism, revancism and anti democratic tendencys, social trends of the time, wich played a large role such as whole classes out of class think voting fo the nazis, the support of the military an the industrialists for Hitler, the previous 3 unstable gouverments their internal squabbles and contradictory politics Brünning deliberately crashing his gouverment, cooperation of the conservatives with the nazis, the inability of the SPD to call for a general strike. Why else is it though the especially beamte on above the average voted for the NSDAP? After all even in times of economic crisis their jobs were safe.

    • @TOBAPNW_
      @TOBAPNW_ 8 місяців тому +84

      ​@@SamAronowYou're right. A nations wealth is not necessarily the instigating factor in radicalisation; it's a very nuanced subject.
      That being said; economic hardship can definitely be, and often is, a contributing factor. The metrics by which you measure that would ideally be in terms of wealth distribution and economic stratification in addition to GDP/HDI/etc.

    • @Novusod
      @Novusod 8 місяців тому

      The rehabilitation of Germany can be described in two words: Marshal Plan.
      Improve people's lives and living conditions and they will stop being Nazis.
      This is kind of the opposite of what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. We drop a bomb on a village to kill one terrorist and end up creating 10 more terrorists.

    • @j4genius961
      @j4genius961 8 місяців тому +7

      @@SamAronow Would you mind providing examples? it's an honest question

  • @SeruraRenge11
    @SeruraRenge11 8 місяців тому +223

    On a side note, it's funny that people talk up Operation Paperclip at the war's end as though we welcomed the German scientists with open arms, but in reality it was a lot closer to, "Ok, you can either come work for us and be under our watch for the rest of your lives as you build technology for America.....OR, we can hand you over to the Soviets that you spent the last four years developing weapons to kill and see how they treat you."
    It was really blackmail more than anything because they knew if they stayed anywhere near East Germany it was only a matter of time before they get shot.

    • @Nostripe361
      @Nostripe361 8 місяців тому

      They wouldn’t shoot them. The Soviets wanted the scientists to work for them too.
      It’s just they would be less “nice” about it. More than likely you’d be forced to live in a special unregistered city that you couldn’t leave while getting a healthy dose of Communist propaganda

    • @heiskanbuscadordelaverdad8709
      @heiskanbuscadordelaverdad8709 8 місяців тому +23

      Knowledge is knowledge those scientific advances did more good than staying on a prison or diying

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 8 місяців тому +46

      The average mid-wit that brings up Operation Paperclip is oblivious to the fact that the Soviets had the same program doing the exact same thing.

    • @indranayak5506
      @indranayak5506 8 місяців тому +40

      @@robertortiz-wilson1588 Not really, the difference between Americans and Soviet program was that Americans gave them very prestigious jobs and very high positions in society, while the Soviets just used their knowledge for their own programme and then threw them in jail, which was obviously the better thing to do.

    • @SeruraRenge11
      @SeruraRenge11 8 місяців тому

      @@indranayak5506 not really, the soviets weren't able to capture the scientists. What they WERE able to capture were all of Germany's advanced rocketry labs and launch platforms and worked off of stolen notes. And let's be real, they wouldn't have thrown them in jail, they would've had them tortured until they died from it.
      As for those "high society" positions in America, it was the definition of a gilded cage.

  • @Cat_DeGaulle
    @Cat_DeGaulle Місяць тому +5

    A thing I think that killed the nazis was that the nazis said that the allies were going to destroy the german nation and people if they lost the war. But via the Marshall plan and the allies treating the germans better than ww1. The Nazis idea and its Aryan race would fail.

    • @stevenjames6830
      @stevenjames6830 Місяць тому

      The German population is now less than 70% of their own nation, rapidly declining birth rates, a materialistic mass of people that literally are German and name only and a few superficial ways Germany for all intensive purposes died in 1945…. Everything the Nazis said would happen did happen… now Germans are posed to be minorities in their own nation and see the complete destruction of any remnant of there culture

    • @JuandeMariana1994
      @JuandeMariana1994 Місяць тому

      Bueno. El plan original era ese, pero al ver lo contraproducente que era, lo descartaron..

  • @AFGuidesHD
    @AFGuidesHD 6 місяців тому +70

    Well the simple answer is it's kinda hard to hold a grudge when you're occupied for 70 years. Like if Prussia occupied France from 1870-1940 we would have avoided WW1 and 2.

    • @conductingintomfoolery9163
      @conductingintomfoolery9163 5 місяців тому +4

      Literally the only time in history this worked

    • @BobBob-eb4io
      @BobBob-eb4io 4 місяці тому +5

      ​@conductingintomfoolery9163 What about all the empires that conquered land held them for a long period of time and assimilated the people of those lands.

    • @conductingintomfoolery9163
      @conductingintomfoolery9163 4 місяці тому +1

      @@BobBob-eb4io No they held them by title and enclaves. Just look at colonization. Their was a few thousand whites in africa. They didn't control shit lmao.

    • @BobBob-eb4io
      @BobBob-eb4io 4 місяці тому +4

      @@conductingintomfoolery9163 i was talking more ancient empires not colonialism

    • @notsocrates9529
      @notsocrates9529 4 місяці тому

      @@BobBob-eb4io It wanted an excuse to shit-talk White people.

  • @Idahoguy10157
    @Idahoguy10157 8 місяців тому +518

    The USSR occupation of eastern Europe was a huge motivation for Germans to embrace the western ideals.

    • @klaus-peterborn1370
      @klaus-peterborn1370 8 місяців тому +28

      Not forget the east part of Germany.

    • @Iskelderon
      @Iskelderon 7 місяців тому

      Especially after the way the Soviets raped and pillaged their way westward, raping nearly every female from eight to eighty while "liberating" them.

    • @ThePalmettoProletarian
      @ThePalmettoProletarian 7 місяців тому +1

      The Soviet People did the vast majority of the fighting, won the war and, suffered the worst by far more than anyone in the war the Germans had it coming!

    • @dchenkin02
      @dchenkin02 7 місяців тому

      White Supremacy was a western ideal in 1946. White America was still very antisemitic and racist in the 1950s. Most of America hated Jews and dark skinned people for decades after World War II.

    • @ProckerDark
      @ProckerDark 7 місяців тому +41

      Like westren Europe wasn't military occupied by U.S after ww2
      Till this day, a huge presence of U.S military is in Germany
      You aren't as free as you think you are

  • @Ass_of_Amalek
    @Ass_of_Amalek 8 місяців тому +535

    you left out one important part: deconverting germans from nazism was made easier by the fact that hitler betrayed germany. it was received extremely badly by the public and even most of the party that at the end of the war, hitler ordered all germans to fight to the last, and to actively destroy all infrastructure to prevent its capture (the former order was followed by some and disobeyed by some individuals and armed forces units of various sizes, the latter order didn't make it past his cabinet). he did so explicitly because there must be no germany without national socialism (and himself). so basically once everybody realised that the war was lost completely (final 3-6 months for most people), their experience of national socialism became that the remaining fanatics made it their last project to destroy and kill everything and everyone. most people preferred to survive and keep some stuff intact between the ruins.

    • @KODDeathDealer
      @KODDeathDealer 7 місяців тому +16

      Is that why until the last week he thought he could turn the tide? These reddit posts are getting better all the time

    • @Ass_of_Amalek
      @Ass_of_Amalek 7 місяців тому +42

      @@KODDeathDealer what are you talking about? he didn't. hitler refused to let germans surrender in part due to what I described, and in part for self-preservation, even just a marginal prolonging of his life, since he knew that any german surrender would include his handover and execution.

    • @jokhard8137
      @jokhard8137 7 місяців тому +37

      Makes sense. "Oh, it can't be that bad" is a valid argument... until you find out it can be.
      The world would do well to learn from Germany's mistake. Never allow a narcissist to rise to power, let alone wield it absolutely.

    • @dimitargeorgiev8663
      @dimitargeorgiev8663 7 місяців тому

      yes, im sure the constant bombings didnt result in any destruction and ruin, and it was the fanatics that left no buildings/infrastructure standing lol

    • @GenericProtagonist7
      @GenericProtagonist7 7 місяців тому

      ​@@KODDeathDealerThis is not the place to use reason, these are the same people who unironically think Hitler wanted to take over the entire world and kill *all* non-Germans.

  • @chaost4544
    @chaost4544 4 місяці тому +6

    I often wondered this same question in terms of the American Occupation of Japan and how that society did a complete 180 after the war.

    • @USSFFRU
      @USSFFRU Місяць тому

      Because America didn't kill the monarchy and treated them well.

    • @Hoolygamer
      @Hoolygamer Місяць тому

      Because Japan was forced to downsize their armed forces after ww2 and weren’t allowed to build up their defence force like everyone else.
      Their infrastructure grew exponentially from all the money not going towards funding military development.
      On the other hand.
      America spends so much of their budget on their military but they still don’t have universal healthcare and their public transport sucks ass.
      War really has unforeseen or long term consequences, good and bad.

  • @roralyn
    @roralyn 7 місяців тому

    I did not expect this style of editing, but I wholly appreciate it 😂

  • @terre5d
    @terre5d 8 місяців тому +151

    One thing you did not mention was that there was a politocal post war consensus. Adenauer and many other important politicians, especially social democrats, were people who were caged, fled or straight up put into concentration camps during the nazi regime, so their positions were often quite intensly anti-nazi.
    (To be fair, there were still Nazis even in Adenauer's close circle)

    • @laisphinto6372
      @laisphinto6372 8 місяців тому

      everyone in Germany was a nazi at least on paper or they were in a KZ.

    • @LlyleHunter
      @LlyleHunter 7 місяців тому +2

      Isn’t it confounding? If it wasn’t for Bismarck who was the first successful social democrat there would never have been a German nation to begin with.

    • @youknowme1475
      @youknowme1475 7 місяців тому +22

      @@LlyleHunter i think you missed the part where bismarck wasn't a social-democrat but rather fought against the rise of it during the 1880s and even introduced the socialist-law

    • @youknowme1475
      @youknowme1475 7 місяців тому +1

      @@LlyleHunter if someone was a social-democrat they wouldn’t be praised as patriotic such as Karl Marx and Wilhelm Pieck, even the most atrocious people in history such as Mussolini and Hitler were raised as socialists well into their adulthood

    • @AEgir347
      @AEgir347 6 місяців тому +1

      The founder of the German FBI was ex SS general of the Eastern Front gehlen, he was installed in West Germany as Head of the bundesnachrichtendienst that was first known as operation gehlen.
      All in an attempt to combat the surge of communist support. This of course was not only tolerated but supported by the US, giving more credibility to the fascist nature of the US that still haunts us today.
      Besides that Germany has only recently started reckoning with it's post war nazi history this includes the fact that most cdu party functionaries were ex Nazis and that for a long time after the war most (75%) of the High Court jurists were also ex Nazis.
      Fun little addendum one of the first NATO generals was a nazi general with of course experience on the eastern front.
      Again proving that NATO is simply a modern day continuation of fascist imperialism.

  • @danmaier2824
    @danmaier2824 8 місяців тому +135

    "What are we supposed to do when the pendulum swings the other way?" This portion of the video is one of the most chilling ways I've heard this type of concept explained. Drives home the hopelessness of it.

    • @ericbrown9433
      @ericbrown9433 8 місяців тому +5

      The answer is to destroy the pendulum

    • @robertcourtemanche9185
      @robertcourtemanche9185 8 місяців тому +14

      Make them comfortably middle class. The FDR policies of the 30s and 40s made Americans richer in the 50s. When everyone has a comfortable job, nice house, etc. They don't care as much about hating others. And when you don't allow such disparities of wealth to create haves and have nots.

    • @Cacowninja
      @Cacowninja 8 місяців тому +12

      @@robertcourtemanche9185 That's not the case at all.
      Many of the U.S. economic restrictions being lifted after the war was what allowed the economy to flourish.
      FDR's policies actually made things worse.

    • @ninjaman717
      @ninjaman717 7 місяців тому +20

      @@Cacowninja Then why after Reagan, even though there was a short term boost in spending and living quality during the 80's, when there was a cut back on regulations and continued lax regulations, has the American population gotten significantly poorer and the middle class shrink?

    • @Arltratlo
      @Arltratlo 7 місяців тому

      dont forget, your US republicans would like to have a Nazi president,
      so they searching now for a Nazi speaker of the house!
      the biggest threat to the worlds security are the USA....

  • @kimpeater1
    @kimpeater1 3 місяці тому

    your vids are both insightful AND entertaining!

  • @ppumpkin3282
    @ppumpkin3282 6 місяців тому

    In 1980 when I was in a public square in Munich a group of German youth came marching through the square dressed in khaki and stridently singing songs. Reall reminded me of WWII youth groups, but I really had no idea what they were about.

  • @nathanseper8738
    @nathanseper8738 8 місяців тому +250

    I'm glad to see you glossing over the romanticized parts of this era and are instead focusing on the backroom dealing that is just as important in shaping the world.

    • @Iskelderon
      @Iskelderon 7 місяців тому +5

      He literally romanticized what happened with Poland, the Soviets kept part of the territory they stole when they invaded Poland together with the Nazis and then kept it and stole parts of Germany's territory and handed that to Poland.

    • @nothanks9503
      @nothanks9503 7 місяців тому

      The Us should should taken over the entire planet when it had the ability to do so
      They could have renamed the European countries to Germy Eggl and Fuga
      Oh and I almost forgot Ukrussia

    • @Iskelderon
      @Iskelderon 7 місяців тому

      @@nothanks9503 Either you're drunk, or a natural at talking out of your ass.

    • @ericlee5515
      @ericlee5515 6 місяців тому +2

      @@IskelderonPoland and all the territory in Eastern Europe should be given back to Russia. Not sure why Gorbachev let some radicals steal oblasts that belonged to Russia for hundreds of years and still do.

    • @Iskelderon
      @Iskelderon 6 місяців тому

      @@ericlee5515 Russia should return the territories those thieving bastards stole when they invaded Poland together with their buddy Hitler before that lovers' quarrel caused them to split.

  • @OfficialSylvantis
    @OfficialSylvantis 8 місяців тому +19

    4:37 "incredible violence" lmao

  • @ww2collecting881
    @ww2collecting881 7 місяців тому +6

    3:46 Anyone else get the History of Japan (Bill Wurtz) reference on 4. ?

  • @thegrumpydeveloper
    @thegrumpydeveloper 6 місяців тому +1

    They got board games and realized conquest with friends and a beer at home was way more fun than death and destruction abroad.

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 8 місяців тому +124

    I’d love more videos about this time in history. 1945 to 1950 really shaped our whole world in so many ways we take for granted.

    • @Lonovavir
      @Lonovavir 8 місяців тому

      Agreed, the post-war chaos is described well in Aftermath by Jahner. It's Germany centered and shows how crazy the nation was during those years.

    • @Ccity93749
      @Ccity93749 7 місяців тому +2

      Most of that era was already planned before the end of the war anyways

    • @dexterlecter7289
      @dexterlecter7289 6 місяців тому +2

      It’s the most lied about period in human history. Go right ahead and watch more videos. Even this one is almost entirely BS

    • @balticdubai950
      @balticdubai950 6 місяців тому +1

      the winner takes it all, and rewrites history. A lot of bs in these videos.

    • @Mark_da_rat
      @Mark_da_rat 6 місяців тому

      It shaped Europe. But I doubt, that it had some influence on the rest of the world. Because e.g. apartheid was still a big thing in Southafrica for a long time after WW2

  • @tripplebarrelfinn4380
    @tripplebarrelfinn4380 8 місяців тому +206

    I don't know if it comes in the other videos but you sell Adenauer a little bit short here. He really did achieve something truely spectecular, he got a lot of conservatives in Germany who were more in favor to authoritarian regimes to accept democracy. While they still were conservative and some probably would have abandoned democracy a long and stable government push back against these forces.

    • @P1T4Bot
      @P1T4Bot 7 місяців тому

      It makes sense now, why the conservatives act like nazis alot of the times here in Germany.

    • @Brent-jj6qi
      @Brent-jj6qi 7 місяців тому +7

      RIP to the guy replying to you getting shadowbanned

    • @sdrc92126
      @sdrc92126 7 місяців тому

      Nazi Germany was democratic. Hitler ruled by plebiscite. It was important to him that he had popular backing of the people for his reforms

    • @Fck_the_atf
      @Fck_the_atf 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Brent-jj6qitwo guys

    • @marvin2678
      @marvin2678 6 місяців тому

      how did he do that ?

  • @mectane2274
    @mectane2274 7 місяців тому +4

    The picture at 7:25 with the guy holding a sign, the german word "Kohle" has two meanings. one means coal like translated there and the other one means money, I think they rather mean money and not coal, since what the heck could they do with coal?

  • @burningsheep4473
    @burningsheep4473 6 місяців тому

    Corelli Barnett has written an article on this exact topic, comparing Iraq with Germany. Basically, it helps to handle occupation with some competency. It is also easier when you have some plans laid beforehand.

  • @matthiasbindl7085
    @matthiasbindl7085 8 місяців тому +90

    Mate, i think you are really seeling konrad adenauer short here.
    The man wasn't ending denazification because he had any love for the bastards [having been persecuted by them himself] but because it was ineffective. Instead he oversaw both the effective rebuild of germany and made sure to recognize such things as the oder-neisse line as the new german frontier, aka we wouldn't go after poland in the future

    • @kiennguyenanh8498
      @kiennguyenanh8498 7 місяців тому +2

      He never reconized that frontier

    • @yonekduhyote
      @yonekduhyote 7 місяців тому +3

      Big mistake and the essence of an illegitimate German state. Germany has every right to go after its stolen land being illegally occupied by Poland. At the same time, Poland has every right to pursue its stolen territories from Ukraine

    • @rey6708
      @rey6708 7 місяців тому +3

      @@yonekduhyote just because it was granted to poland doesnt mean its stolen these days. the connection to danzig and the ostgebiete is purely severed. its not german anymore.

    • @dylanroemmele906
      @dylanroemmele906 7 місяців тому

      @@yonekduhyote stay mad kraut lmfao

    • @BasementEngineer
      @BasementEngineer 6 місяців тому +1

      @@rey6708 The jury is still out on that decision!

  • @Breadply69
    @Breadply69 8 місяців тому +22

    I wonder if jack enjoys reading the comments of people who share their expirences, told from their grand parents, and extra insight into parts that he didnt have time to cover.
    For me, the comments are part of the video. They are always full of interesting tales and free bits of additional history

  • @DKSorg
    @DKSorg 4 місяці тому

    1970 My dad was Stationed to Check Point Charlie with 3rd RTR, spending two years there.
    He said you could still see Soldiers in "Jack Boots"
    -> Never believed Hitler was killed and told me about sunken subs in South America

  • @SlinkVI
    @SlinkVI 3 місяці тому +2

    “Germany changed so dramatically over the course of the 20th century.” Let this be a lesson. Fascism exists in every country, and any government can turn authoritarian. Remain vigilant.

  • @sylvananas7923
    @sylvananas7923 7 місяців тому +9

    6:50 "As much as possible were tracked down to be made an example of"
    Meanwhile the US and soviets : damn those are nice scientists you got there

    • @ronald3836
      @ronald3836 7 місяців тому

      Tom Lehrer wrote a song about one of them: ua-cam.com/video/TjDEsGZLbio/v-deo.html

  • @Jeremy-The-Bullfrog
    @Jeremy-The-Bullfrog 7 місяців тому +12

    Almost spit my drink out at 2:15. Great subtle joke.

  • @sanzyboy3952
    @sanzyboy3952 6 місяців тому +3

    It's not about being good or bad, it's about adapting to whatever your society views as acceptable

    • @noobynoob699
      @noobynoob699 12 днів тому

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" - Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • @Sizdothyx
    @Sizdothyx 6 місяців тому +3

    Germany after WW2: God, never again. We were wrong. Please; please, let us not walk down that road again.
    Japan after WW2: *AND I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT, TOO, IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS!*

  • @NerdishGeekish
    @NerdishGeekish 7 місяців тому +15

    What is different between the aftermath of WW 1 and WW 2 is that after WW 1 the German people felt (some might say rightfully so) robbed by the great European powers after losing a war they were essentially dragged into against their will, and made out to be the big bad of the whole conflict. The resentment simmered for a couple decades and it was the main factor that kept the populace complacent while the nazi party slowly took over the country.
    After WW 2 however the people were keenly aware of the atrocities their government and the army committed. I recall stories of allied troops taking groups of German civilians to the Nazi death camps shortly after Germany's capitulation in 1945, having them witness firsthand the barbaric atrocities happening under their noses, and metaphorically rubbing said noses in their own shit. Germany got it seared into their very souls that extremist "us vs. them" ideologies would lead both their country and the rest of Europe to ruin.

    • @ernimuja6991
      @ernimuja6991 6 місяців тому +6

      Yeah, that sums it up. Before WW1 Germany fought the Franco-Prussian war. Prussia stole some land from France and that was it. France as a nation and society continued on and even prospered.
      But then Germany loses a war which they were dragged into, and a lot of its territory is stripped, their society and economy destroyed and they were completely humiliated. It makes sense how they'd be resentful since that was generally not how you treated defeated nations. Even after Napoleon, France continued on doing good but once the shoe was on the other foot everyone dog piled on Germany.

  • @thenewdarkmatter
    @thenewdarkmatter 8 місяців тому +28

    It's cool to see jack telling the story of some random religous movement on england in the 18th century, or some weird medieval historical figure, but this video was an absolute masterpiece. Got legit goosebumps about the philosophical question he asked there at the end

  • @apollo_games
    @apollo_games 5 місяців тому

    How are you not a bigger channel? You're content is awesome!

  • @koolcrazyannihilator9787
    @koolcrazyannihilator9787 7 місяців тому +3

    5:53 "and also France" lmao

  • @joshuaevans6295
    @joshuaevans6295 8 місяців тому +39

    5:23 if my memory serves this is almost verbatim the conversation that actually happened, complete with Roosvelt's "you think 49,000 would be enough?" joke, Churchill walking out in disgust, and Stalin claiming it was a joke

    • @space1546
      @space1546 8 місяців тому +9

      Rare Stalin W

    • @GG_1318
      @GG_1318 7 місяців тому +8

      @@space1546 no

    • @Waltyworld
      @Waltyworld 4 місяці тому

      What didant know that 😮😮 also like 37

  • @fierylightning3422
    @fierylightning3422 8 місяців тому +13

    Jack is slowly learning that increases/decreases in standard of living is what affects radicalisation and stability of nations and progress.

    • @maxstirner6143
      @maxstirner6143 8 місяців тому

      Nah, that's not true. If it that was true, 1945 would be the year of the Nazis and didn't. Europeans/westerners, and Germans in particular, are sheeps looking for a shepard, once the allies got ridden of the no no shepards, it was cake party.

    • @poetryflynn3712
      @poetryflynn3712 8 місяців тому +2

      It's more the belief that the change in living standard is justified. For instance, in the middle ages, monarchy was often supported because it was believed to be necessary to support the integrity of society regardless of the effects on the economy. For hundreds of years, democracy was considered completely absurd outside of trading states.
      In fact, the fact democracy and republicanism was ever accepted is surprising. Looking at the French Revolution, republicanism just barely held, and it took maybe 80 or so years just to stabilize the country. And the American federation only happened because if the "states" were separate, European powers would either fill the power void or the country would solidify into two separate states on their own. There are plenty of stories of how people wanted a replacement King.
      And looking at Latin America, do I even have to say much?

  • @dannydude2121
    @dannydude2121 7 місяців тому +2

    11:06 in regards to the comic with voters being restricted by a pencil on a chain
    If it was actually that with a stack of disconnected papers, I like how the voters can just rotate the paper upside down to vote for the other lol
    Voting the other way just takes a lil problem solving i guess, maybe theres a clever metaphor there

  • @leoartolson4658
    @leoartolson4658 Місяць тому +2

    The reason why they didn’t come back relates to the reason why they emerged in the first place. After a humiliating loss during ww1 and the declining state of the German nation, people would look up to anything and anyone as long as it would lead to their country returning to greatness and stability. Sure there were and still are people who believe in hitlers values even after the war, but the reason why the Nazis didn’t come back into power is because they didn’t need to. German economy and way of life was able to stabilize and things got better. And of course, public stigma of nazism made it a bit of an issue for Nationalist socialism to make a real resurgence in most countries; pretty much making it a dead ideology.

  • @kinghaakonvii5175
    @kinghaakonvii5175 8 місяців тому +55

    Every time we talk about denazification we only talk about it from a west german prospective, i was hopping Jack would cover what was happening in the east because my favorite thing about this channel is that he covers the lesser know historys, so i was kinda disappointed when he just did the same as other history channels on yt and talked about the west as it is the only part that matters.

    • @cypress2647
      @cypress2647 8 місяців тому +14

      The major difference is that east germany was punished harder and for longer, which was 100% deserved. The west went easy on west germany.

    • @AL-lh2ht
      @AL-lh2ht 8 місяців тому +66

      @@cypress2647defending Stalinism is a odd choice.

    • @cypress2647
      @cypress2647 8 місяців тому

      @@AL-lh2ht I dont support stalinism, but I wont defend nazis from what stalin wants to do with them ;)

    • @antekpatyk9425
      @antekpatyk9425 8 місяців тому +12

      ​@@AL-lh2htConsidering that East Germany was really the only part of Germany that was effectively denazified, I think you can give some credit to Stalin without "defending Stalinism".

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 8 місяців тому +39

      @@antekpatyk9425 it really wasn’t. People just assume that. The East Germans were punished more as a collective and dissident groups were never allowed to pop up because of how expensive the surveillance and suppression apparatus became. Not to mention it was a one party state without worry of having another party gaining popularity.

  • @genghiskhan5701
    @genghiskhan5701 8 місяців тому +23

    Germany: Please guys I am so sorry
    EU: Don't worry bro, we forgive you
    Meanwhile in Asia
    China: If it was not for America, I would gladly turn your islands into glass
    Japan: If it was not America, I would gladly do it all over again.

  • @Drebel503
    @Drebel503 6 місяців тому +3

    After Occupation
    >After
    Topkek

  • @JPJ432
    @JPJ432 4 місяці тому +1

    They are very much alive and present to this day my friend. In fact they are stronger than ever.

  • @followerofjulian1652
    @followerofjulian1652 8 місяців тому +23

    7:13 War crimes and crimes against humanity? You left out ISRAEL!

  • @Name1person
    @Name1person 8 місяців тому +22

    That referee who caught the ball and said “you ladies alr” stopped the Nazis from coming back

  • @AugustVonpetersborg
    @AugustVonpetersborg 4 місяці тому

    omg I laughed so hard when you said you thought there was some brilliant master plan

  • @garnauklaufen6704
    @garnauklaufen6704 7 місяців тому +1

    What is that yellow triangle with the eye at 3:07?

  • @pastramiandrye
    @pastramiandrye 8 місяців тому +8

    I'm not sure if I'm convinced by the points Jack makes in this video, but maybe that's because it's not exactly a topic that can be easily boiled down into a short video, and is hard to summarize even in longer form historiography. I would love to see another video that goes further into post-war West Germany's history, especially the 'German Autumn' of 1977.

  • @l.o.b.2433
    @l.o.b.2433 8 місяців тому +13

    "Stalin was doing Stalin things to the zone he occupied"
    And isn't it funny that you can trace a clear line of said zone with a map of Germany's current political parties and the one party that's discussed to be disbanded on the grounds of being unconstitutional every other month?

    • @Elyseon
      @Elyseon 8 місяців тому +3

      He just didn't like competition.

    • @tylerbozinovski427
      @tylerbozinovski427 6 місяців тому +2

      Much of AfD isn't even that extreme, especially when compared to Die Linke.

    • @l.o.b.2433
      @l.o.b.2433 6 місяців тому +4

      @@tylerbozinovski427
      >Defends AfD
      >Has a Kaiserreich nationblob as a profile picture
      Yeah, that tracks

    • @tylerbozinovski427
      @tylerbozinovski427 6 місяців тому +1

      @@l.o.b.2433 Ahh yes, because AfD, a party filled with ex-CDU people and co-led by a lesbian, are all just "ebil nootzis". And how dare I have sympathy for one of modern history's greatest empires?

    • @Youtubeisntlettingmeuseczech
      @Youtubeisntlettingmeuseczech 4 місяці тому

      You do realise that AfD's voterbase is primarily people below the age of 30, people that were born after the "reunification" which completely destroyed the East German economy

  • @dannyneumann4547
    @dannyneumann4547 7 місяців тому +1

    As someone with German ancestry the "My Heritage" commercial feels like an attack

  • @malenaormachea3971
    @malenaormachea3971 4 місяці тому

    2:20 LOL, that's me right there

  • @Roky1989
    @Roky1989 7 місяців тому +3

    The bit around 5:00 in has strong Archer energy I could watch a series about these happenings in this style.

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 8 місяців тому +48

    You're awesome Jack! Please do James the Conqueror of Aragon! The longest reigning monarch of the iberian peninsula!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @Karlss61
    @Karlss61 4 місяці тому +3

    i guess you could say after ww1 france punished germany severly 3:18

  • @lamename2010
    @lamename2010 6 місяців тому +1

    There was a will to fight. It's called the RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) who enjoyed popular support amongst the youth, not because the youth was communist, but because they were fighting the occupiers. Songs such as "Ami Go Home" etc represented the same feeling of wanting to get rid of them.

  • @spacemanspiff3052
    @spacemanspiff3052 8 місяців тому +35

    I’d like to see the same kind of analysis on Japan The truth is, somehow, the post-war West lucked out with having the right people, ideas, economic conditions, and . . . maybe just dumb luck serendipitously assisted by an industrious defeated population (forced to rebuild from a clean slate of utter destruction) that helped both Germany and Japan transforming into democratic-industrial powerhouses.

    • @seanlander9321
      @seanlander9321 7 місяців тому +5

      The difference with Japan is that Australia and America occupied a feudal country. The novelty of owning property for instance after 1945 for the Japanese meant that they had an investment in their country, not their emperor. Their society was changed by defeat, occupation and being forcibly civilised whereas the Germans were similar but half the country was that terrified of the Soviets that fear rather than force quickly aligned them with civilisation.

    • @vigilante619
      @vigilante619 7 місяців тому +2

      "Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II" by John W. Dower Highly recommend.

    • @JamieBar
      @JamieBar 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@seanlander9321 The Occupation of Japan is sometimes referred as the "second westernisation" of the country.

  • @davidcomtedeherstal
    @davidcomtedeherstal 8 місяців тому +6

    One error; not the cartels were dissolved, only one, the IG Farben (today BASF) , Siemens, Krupp, Thyssen et al. were not touched, but then they were in the British zone, while IG Farben was in the American zone.

    • @Asto508
      @Asto508 6 місяців тому

      Don't forget Volkswagen

  • @Rex1987
    @Rex1987 5 місяців тому

    As a sociologist i would like to add a factor: The Frankfurt school. Or The frankfurt institute for social research as it was called.
    They where among a pretty large group of academics that asked the question: why did so many summit to the nazi tyrannically rule?
    They did reserch into this already when the nazies where gaining power in the 1930´ies to some degree but it became that much more of a question on many lips after the fall of the 3rd reich. They developed many theories about how easy we are to be inclied to do harm on other, to keep up membership of a group that we identify with. They help with identify core parts of how upbringing can sharpe our value system; that upbringing in certain types of rule can give us a authoritarian personality: a disposition to treat authority figures with unquestioning obedience and respect. Values that are a theat to the future of democracy as shown after world war 1.
    For instance one of the key figures of The Frankfurt school in the post ww2 era was Jürgen Habermas (a intellectual powerhouse on his own) and his idea of how we can communicate without trying to dominate the other person. A vast differance in values of the nazi rule. These authoritarian values was something that Habermas had not only experienced himself, but embrached, as he first during ww2 was part of the nazi party. The key thing is related to this video, his that he later toke a dramatic shift and develop some of the key ideas on how keep society on the bedrock of democracy. There were a wider intellectual movement against learning kids to just obey authority - a rebelion against old authoritarian ideas that would culminate in the youth rebelion and the hippy movement. A movement that at least here in Denmark played a vital role in the stopping of using physical force on kids/students as a way of disciplining them. The hippy movement and the youth rebelion - also in germany - must in some ways have been influenced by the experiances of the former generation, that really had seen the effects of socity very much build on violence.
    These ideas where developed in the same post-war era as Stanley Milgram did his now infamous experiment on how keep we are to do physical damage to others when being threaten by someone we regrads to hold power. Or how Hannah Arendt wrote "The Origins of Totalitarianism" in 1951 that also try to understand the roots of many of the volent dicatorships in the 20th centry.
    long story short: their ideas on education, human development and many other things are vital on how we understand what it means to instil democratic values in the next generation. And although some of these theoes are disputed today, they have a important role sending a warning to coming generations of the allure of nazism.
    ps. quick book and movie recommendtion that explains what i am try to tell: read the book "the wave" or the movie adaptation "Die Welle" from 2008. Its shows just how easy we can be influced to think things we might not agree on - including nazi ideology.

  • @MRROSARY93
    @MRROSARY93 5 місяців тому

    Friendship, Harmony, INCREDIBLE VIOLENCE, and LOVE !

  • @Jay10Real
    @Jay10Real 7 місяців тому +9

    1:25 I love how it goes from legitimate countries that could have gotten germany's land to random groups and organizations

  • @Whisk3yKnight
    @Whisk3yKnight 8 місяців тому +9

    7:30 Okay, so surely I’m not the only person that thought Herbert Hoover sorta just…fell into the phantom zone or something after FDR got elected right?

    • @steamstream7776
      @steamstream7776 Місяць тому +1

      He later became a humanitarian that helped many people after WW2 during food shortages until his death in 1969.

  • @immortalaxolotl
    @immortalaxolotl 5 місяців тому +2

    Love the history of japan reference at 3:49

  • @oldunemployeddude6160
    @oldunemployeddude6160 23 дні тому

    I served in West Germany 79 to 81. The Germans said their relative would search out American troops to surrender to. We were part of the community there. They still miss our unit. Americans married German women and retired in Germany. We must have done something right

  • @fgregerfeaxcwfeffece
    @fgregerfeaxcwfeffece 7 місяців тому +6

    7:08 the part many conveniently leave out.

  • @Very_Silly_Individual
    @Very_Silly_Individual 7 місяців тому +4

    Love the bill wurtz refrence.
    "Open the country. Stop having it be closed" lol

  • @dannyboy218
    @dannyboy218 6 місяців тому +4

    There is a key to make a hostile society into a more peaceful one, that is get them jobs/food/homes and treat them as normal people with a little sprinkle of "if not you will die from another major war". But seriously hosital and radical groups form because people's life suck. People who joined the nazis after wwi did so bc their nation was in ruins, there was barely any jobs, and bread costed like 5,000 bucks or something. People were poor and stressed, so when a guy comes and says it's other people's fault for our bad things and we need to fight to get our shit back and he is able to bring jobs and development to your nation (aka hitler) then yeah ppl will follow you. You gave them food and a job and a house and it's not too much of a stretch for you to follow them to kill people. Because again in a way the radical person brought you out from hell and used propagranda to make you believe all your faults and struggles are from outsiders who need to be punished by killing or robbing them. I mean this is why the taliban was around. Western nations destored many middle easetern nations, leaving ppl in a bad spot, a group of radical people come and give you some food and water and a purpose, all you have to do is kill some people, and the more people you kill the more land and resources you get. It is wrong and fucked up, but compared to before where you lived in a bombed house with a few goats and no running water, to being a person with a house and food you would likely do it.

  • @prw56
    @prw56 6 місяців тому

    I think the atmosphere in Germany post ww2 was more complex than those graphs implied, but I read clear reasons why they ended up like they did:
    1) They were initially occupied, so any kind of violent uprising wasn't going to be allowed while they were re-establishing stability.
    2) They had already been a very developed nation prior to the war, so they weren't building from square 1.
    3) They had their priorities in order after conrad was elected, and along with foreign investment turned the economy in a prosperous direction that was stable. As in they did things for the good of the long term.
    4) The prosperity, along with a culture that led to well raised people, led to a well educated, politically involved population, which leads to people who are not as vulnerable to populism (which tends to prefer short term gains at the expense of long term).
    A similar set of steps happened in japan, who also enjoyed similar long term success. When a country loses its gov't you need something to steady the ship, and most countries in crisis seldom have that.

  • @jeffwolcott7815
    @jeffwolcott7815 8 місяців тому +20

    I'm pretty sure the Allies did NOT do everything they could to break Germany to the point that it wouldn't be a threat after WWI. If anything I think this was a case of being to strict and too lenient at the same time.

    • @fallout44454
      @fallout44454 8 місяців тому +20

      Honestly considering France's behaviour I would say they were hellbent on breaking Germany in any way they could.

    • @MyHentaiGirlNeko
      @MyHentaiGirlNeko 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@fallout44454frenchy are to blame

    • @WladylawGomulka
      @WladylawGomulka 8 місяців тому

      ​@@MyHentaiGirlNekoand English

    • @HaloFTW55
      @HaloFTW55 8 місяців тому +11

      Germany was already so broken that they can't even be a threat anymore. Being bombed relentlessly for 4 years and being actually invaded with fighting occurring in the streets helps prevent a "we lost because backstabbers" myth.
      When your invaders coming in from the west have an ENTIRELY mechanized army instead of having horses pull their supplies, have so much supply that they can effectively give away food, and so much fuel that they can actually use their mechanized force (not to mention the experience to be better warfighters than your troops).
      You too would know that the war is over and that your side lost without anyone stabbing you in the back.

    • @Elyseon
      @Elyseon 8 місяців тому

      France went out of its way to completely destroy what was left of German economy and starve the people. Then there were humiliations like the forced labor as part of reparations. Great job, baguettes.

  • @aaronbecker5617
    @aaronbecker5617 8 місяців тому +5

    Man your channel is so informative and humorous, I makes my day 😊 I think most people only what satisfaction with their life and as long as they and their kids are fed and comfortable they're willing to face the truth of their actions and Germany became what it became, at least in the west, because we didn't destroy them like they thought we would

  • @augustwinterman6952
    @augustwinterman6952 4 місяці тому +1

    3:44 Point number 4. Very clever.

  • @Reichstaubenminister
    @Reichstaubenminister 6 місяців тому +3

    That's quite an assumption, Mister.

  • @konsumkind99
    @konsumkind99 8 місяців тому +23

    this video fails to understand the decade long struggle against (neo)nazi elements in germany. After the war most nazis stayed in their positions of power, denazification was mostly inefficient. Especially the police and secret service are to name. Naziideology became more flexible and was "reinterpreted" into various other worldviews, mostly anti-communism. It wasnt until the student protests of the 60s, when we first see an open confrontation with crimes of the past. Nazism in germany had somewhat of a resurgence in the 1990s and after the refugee crisis of 2015. Atm a concerning ammount of people isnt convinced in the concept of "Erinnerungskultur" anymore and the right wing parties are getting traction again.
    major factors in the decline of nazism in germany:
    -economic growth
    -loss of family members/friends etc. due to the war; not wanting to relive the trauma
    -reformed constitution and electoral process (compared to weimar)
    -ban of extreme rightwing political parties
    -strict ban of nazi iconographie
    -nazi ideology tranforming into anti-communism -> fitting into the coldwar setting -> less easy to recognize as nazism
    -impossibility to win a war against either Nato or Warsawpact; Nazism = suicide
    -european integration (-> EU) solving all of germany's problems
    etc. etc.

    • @AL-lh2ht
      @AL-lh2ht 8 місяців тому +1

      The biggest failing of yeh vidoe.

    • @sithersproductions
      @sithersproductions 4 місяці тому

      student radicals in the 60s destroyed society, they were ungrateful middle class jewish socialists

  • @genmontgomeree9888
    @genmontgomeree9888 7 місяців тому +10

    Why is Belgium mentioned as countries not acknowledging their past? If it’s about Congo, we get taught about the atrocities during Leopold II’s reign in high school. This might not have been 50 years ago during my dad’s time in high school, but nowadays this subject is widely known and official apologies both by the royal family and prime ministers have been made so often it is getting annoying for many Belgians who despite acknowledging it happened, they know they personally have nothing to do with it.

    • @BasementEngineer
      @BasementEngineer 6 місяців тому

      All Belgians are forever responsible for this!

    • @jacqueslee2592
      @jacqueslee2592 5 місяців тому +1

      It is not so much for not having anything to do with it, it is rather the realization that Belgians need to realize that their standard of living and wealth and the monarchy's wealth relied on the murder, rape, and exploitation of a country, and that those achievements did not just come by themselves. It also helps you understand that you being a Belgian does not make you better in the vastness of the universe though you may enjoy a higher standard of living and be wealthier but have to realize that Belgian monarchy killed for you to have those things. That is the difference that they want you to understand.

    • @FOLIPE
      @FOLIPE 5 місяців тому

      This comment is why Belgium is there

    • @future9252
      @future9252 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@jacqueslee2592 the standard of living of Belgium has always been amongst the highest in the world and that wouldnt have changed even if the congo had never been colonized. Belgians didnt become rich off Kongo's resources

    • @jacqueslee2592
      @jacqueslee2592 5 місяців тому

      @@future9252 Belgium got something out of its colonies. In that era, the resources that Belgium needed for industrialization were not in Europe. Compared to other European nations like France and Germany, Belgium would have not been able to sustain its industrialization and economy without resources exploited from Congo, a country that is almost the size of France if not greater.

  • @TheRealCHIMShady
    @TheRealCHIMShady 6 місяців тому +4

    They got zogged

  • @adenosine2electricboogaloo647
    @adenosine2electricboogaloo647 Місяць тому

    0:45
    Greater...
    Bielefeld?
    never heard of that place

  • @RichMitch
    @RichMitch 8 місяців тому +23

    Clement Attlee should feature heavily if we're talking about '45-'50

  • @AYVYN
    @AYVYN 7 місяців тому +8

    Really hoping you cover the forced rationing of occupied civilians. The philosophy was that even if there were loyalists, none would have the energy to revolt. Can’t comment on its effectiveness, but it did ruin civilian sentiment of U.S. Troops.

  • @dienichtganzanonymeananas
    @dienichtganzanonymeananas 6 місяців тому

    0:48 This plan could not have worked because the dimensions of the planned Bielefeld would create such a large hole with such an enormous suction force that everything surrounding it would be sucked in and the earth would run the risk of devouring itself.