Codex: Armies/Enemies of the Imperium - Codex Compliant
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2021
- Sometimes what is considered a 'codex' can get a little hazy.
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God the artwork they chose for the CD covers are absolute classics
I see you are a man of culture!
Why does all the old retro style artwork look so much better?!?!
lmao
Yes Wib, we all dream that we’d have an actual decimator with two petards or 2 thunderhawks and include them in our lists.
dont forget the list containing 5 warlord titans.
Adds Astraeus super heavy tank to list, maybe some day, maybe some day
One of those seems slightly more difficult than the other :p
@@florian8356 Yeah, ordering two petards is impossible
My imperial guard list containing 9 basilisks will become a reality eventually I swear
"see mum, it's not hoarding if it's useful!"
I've never felt so intensely called out by a Codex Compliant before...
Great work as always, both! (Also, Snipe that Biker Mice tee is rad!)
What's even more terrifying is that Dark Crusaders army would have cost just £78 when that codex came out....
I’m shaking
I remember seeing this software on the little shelf behind the till where they kept other esoteric artifacts such as green stuff and those GW branded hot wire cutters for XPS foam. I always wanted to give it a go but never did (Lone Wolf's Army Builder was cheaper and better, or so I was told), so this has actually been really illuminating. Like a tiny, unresolved mystery from my past has finally been uncovered.
Cool video as always!
It's always a good feeling when an artifact from your formative years that still, somehow, maintains real estate in your brain gets conveniently resolved _for you_ without needing to go out of your way to investigate.
Like, "Oh, THAT'S what that was."
Army Builder really was the industry standard. As always, GW was late trying to catch up.
I had this as an 8 year old, got it at a yard sale. After seeing my cousin play Dawn of War (and being a dumb child) I thought that’s what it was. And I was SO frustrated I wasn’t able to make my army fight after creating it. *nostalgic crying ensues*
I wasn't paying much attention to the miniature gaming market in the early 2000s but I remember generating a character for a 3rd edition D&D game around 2000 or 2001 using what I think was an official character generator program, so these sorts of programs may have been something that big tabletop gaming companies were starting to think about at the time.
i remember playing with something similar for 3ed/3.5 DnD as well, i think thier was a wave of experimentation going on then, but the technology wasn't QUITE their to replace pen and paper just yet. it was a little too clunky, not quite convenient enough, limited by the UI design of the time, and like they say in the video, you still needed to print it, making it more of a way to get a nice list/character sheet than anything else. The idea kinda fell by the wayside until the widespread adoption of smartphones made it practical to have the electronic copy stay electronic and still be accessible.
About the sane time there was also heavy metal/heavy metal pro for designing mechs in battle tech (also vehicles, aerospace stuff/spaceships and even protomechs and battle armour).
HM Pro was awesome because it also came with the data for all the existing mechs and you could print out the full game sheets for any mechs you were using
You're absolutely right, it wasn't just miniatures games. I had the V:TM version because I decided I was going to be the futuristic ST. 😂
It was used to generate one NPC and then I realised that it was quicker and easier to just do it myself. So it became a very expensive character sheet printer! 😁
Wow ! I like Jim Kirk firing electrikbumspunk out of his hands. Cheers for the upload Snipe and Wib.
4:29 Holy crap that Hit of Nostalgia on that home screen with the Artwork and Quote. I had both of these and used them to DEATH for 3rd ed. They even released patches for free that added updated rules or units (such as Tau Railrifles for Pathfinders).
That XP shut down sound sent me back in time!
Snipe has got good, strong handwriting. 👍 This was a great fun bit of 40k archaeology.
"Commander, the Necron scum are overwhelming us and pouring in to our rear echelons!"
"Prepare to active... BSoD!"
"The BSoD, Commander? The ultimate sanction?!"
"Yes, unleash the Blue Screen of Death! And may Wilhelm Portals have mercy on our souls!"
1:37 You're welcome :)
When I was a kid I inherited a bunch of codex for armies I didn’t have. I used to sit for hours writing up dream armies. I’ve been known to do this on BattleScribe too but as a grown assed man with a job. I now have the money but need to pay bills. I’ve learned that making these dream lists just leads to financial hardship and boxes upon boxes of unbuilt minis.
Super interesting video as always my sweet angels. I love hearing about these sort of weird cultural artifacts, and you both always deliver the info with fun and style!
Watching this as well really makes me realise how little I know of the older editions as well. I dropped out of the hobby at the end of 3rd edition and only just picked it up again in 8th and now 9th. Hell, I don't even know how all the editions in between played. Makes me want a mini-series from you two going over the basics of each edition. pretty pwease?? It is my birthday coming up and everything!
first of all, happy almost-birthday
secondly… same? it's just anecdotal, but it seems like a lot of people i see discussing the hobby now are-like me-returning lapsed fans, and i wonder if there's some common connection there (personally, i stopped paying attention to gw some time part-way through 4th ed 40k, and rejoined around the time 9th came out… not that i was aware it was a new edition at the time; from my perspective it was just "maybe i'll dust off the old miniatures and see what's happening in 40k these days"). i suppose the global pandemic has sort of created a lot of new or returning hobbyists, since e.g. the painting/modelling component is something that can be done without really going outside… but idk why a lot of fans (at least those that have returned recently) seem to have left the hobby around the same time of 3rd/4th ed.
thinking a bit harder about why i seem to see a lot of fans who ducked out around 3rd/4th… it occurs to me this might be partly audience selection, since this video-like a lot of codex compliant eps-focuses on material that was current around the 3rd/4th editions of 40k, and i suppose a lot of the people who watch this series might be nostalgic for a time when they were originally invested in the hobby. maybe there are other channels/communities where everybody is united in their fondness for 5th/6th ed? or maybe it just hasn't been long enough for that period to acquire the patina of nostalgia that 3rd/4th seems to have.
@@soupalex heck, if anything I'm actually interested in seeing how 4/5/6/7th editions play and why I never hear much about them. All I ever hear about 7th is there were "problems" in a vague, ominous tone and people miming like they've just been punched in the gut.
That said, I'd love to have a retrospective ep on Tau. They were my entry point to 40K just as GW planned and they've been one of my favourite factions ever since.
@@xGamermonkeyx yeah, me too… i'd love to see how the game evolved in the time i was away.
fwiw, my recollection of 4th ed was that it was barely very different to 3rd… at least, compared to how different 3rd was from 2nd! i think 4th formalised a lot of stuff that emerged from the various "chapter approved" columns that had been published in 3rd's lifetime, and i _think_ it also standardised some of the unit special rules (e.g. "ferocious assault"), if they weren't already.
the main difference in 4th for me was the style of the codices; all the 3rd ed codices i remember seemed to have a _lot_ of fluffy upgrades and things you could buy for your characters/squads/vehicles, but in the codices released after 4th they seemed to strip this back a lot (i remember e.g. the "second third edition" csm book being rich with extra daemonic gifts you could use to customise characters and unit champions, and each of the chaos gods had their own sections with rules for cult-specific wargear, mark special rules, and vehicle upgrades. the 4th ed chaos codex didn't really have any of this and imo was a much poorer book for it. likewise the 3rd ed imperial guard dex had rules for creating a custom regiment (something that much more recent codices for other factions seem to have, now… e.g. create your own space marine successor chapter or necron dynasty by picking from different army-wide special rules), but these rules vanished in their following codex).
i would love to see more tau stuff. never played them (unless you count "fire warrior" on the ps2 lol), but i always thought their "young empire" situation made them stand out a lot from the rest of the 40k races, and it was interesting that they mixed in "client races" among their armed forces (i guess kind of like ratlings and ogryns fighting in the imperial guard/astra militarum). hopefully they get a new book and some new models, soon… i gather they've been waiting for some attention from gw for quite a while now?
Wib, I do that on battlescribe too, but my 3d printer lets me print my dreams more often. Running a Mechanized Infantry Guard list right now, because walking to a battlefield is for losers. Considering printing either a Guard Tank company with 8 Russes or an all Terminator Deathwing Army.
On that Sigma Hobbyist Grindset, I see.
Pen and paper army lists are still a lot of fun. I have a notebook I keep army builds, notes, etc in and it's great going back through it and rethinking old builds or trying out changes.
it is normal, i have a kill team list for every faction, i only have six kill teams! soon i shall have more though.. sooooon.. my precious.. the standalone kreig boxes are coming, the kommandos!
Come for the Codex’s, stay for the chiptune 👍
This was the era I was most active in 40K and I never heard of these. Awesome video.
8:15 yeah, I do it all the time with a dark eldar beast master and his army of...well...beasts...such as wolves, khymeras, clawed fiends, hounds of vengeance, tyranid raptors, gargoyles, pretty much any kind of animal type miniature available to buy, because I like the idea of a dark eldar beast master having creatures from across the galaxy to use as his own personal army for a coup against someone he has a grudge with.
These videos are just so *cozy*, I can't really describe it
Having never played the game myself, this is still fun to watch. YAY for content
I never knew this even existed. I sort of knew about Army Builder - people occasionally tried to shop lift it from my FLGS thinking it was something else. In one memorable case they posted it back...
I used this back in the day, that's not how it used to print and it was super useful. Guard armies back then were way more in depth, so this really made it easy to build.
For my higher computing back in 96/97 (old…) I used an ancient Apple Mac and Primex (iirc) to create a knowledge based system to recommend Eldar armies for 2nd edition. You answering a set of questions about how you want to play and points values and it would make recommendations. I intended to cover all 2nd edition codexes but the minuscule memory of the machine meant any file over a certain size just lost the data, so that killed that ambition. I was just ahead of my time 😂
I'm constantly working out dumb little forces I never have any intent of making. Personal favourites are "how many shots can I theoretically fire" and "how many attack can I theoretically output"
Cracking video, as always!
Kinda upsetting that this retains more basic functionality than the current WH40k app.
Yes Wib. I don't even have a BattleScribe but I totally use it to create fanciful and wacky armies all the time. You're not weird, we are weird ;)
To this day those BA assault Marines artwork is one of my favourite depictions of Astartes.
Pen and paper army lists is what I was born into, and what I currently still do. Pen and paper forever.
That XP log-off noise was nostalgic. Thank you.
I came here to say that while pulling a windows 98 disc out of your closet is impressive, I got my disc today and pulled out a physical windows 7 PC whose power supply is hanging out the side, works like a charm. KEEP EVERYTHING!
The windows XP closing sound made me feel ill. My uni days, dissertations, exhaustion..... Ta guys, keep up the great nostalgia xxx
Flimbo's Quest music starts playing on the outro, immediately I recognise it. Wib starts to talk over it. Furious as a Black Templar.
Doing an all nighter painting my csm, this video is perfect for accompanying me!
absolutely loved this vid, ur channel existing saves me so much time and energy trying to scour the net to re live my 3rd Ed youth xxx speaking of which i have finally got Asdrubael Vect after having wanted him since like 1998 or whenever the model came out lol. also i've always made my lists in spreadsheets but i would have loved this program if i'd known about it back in the day cos of all the cool little pictoral representations of units and especially wargear
Drag and drop! I knew it! Understanding how UI programmers think from that Era helps in understanding why. But, seems weird there was only that one way. Good UI designers would have thought about multiple use cases! And, virtual machines! The gaming nerd and tech nerd in me is so happy!
Huh, I have that white Dwarf and was active in the hobby during its' release, but I had completely forgotten this was a thing. Thanks for always digging up these obscurities!
Two videos in as many days, we are blessed!
So my memory wasn't just making things up! That honestly looks a lot better than I had imagined, with little images for the units and everything. And the fact it was supported into a whole new edition is really surprising. Thank you so much for this video, I can finally sleep at night.
Love this. Recently found my copies of the original Tau and necron codexes, including flash cards with army lists. Ah, memories 😁
I was obsessed with making army lists in high school. My writing pads were just list after list after list…etc..even with different size circles representing different troop selections cause..why not :p
My roommate in college, who introduced me to 40k, had a copy of Army Builder (which meant I did as well) and we would make lists constantly. We would do a lot of weird stress test lists, like how many wounds could you fit into 1500 points, etc. The 3rd edition chaos codex was amazing for dumb gimmicky lists that might be overpowered in very specific circumstances, like infiltrating jump pack troops with save ignoring flame template weapons and other such nonsense. I had so many of those stupid lists saved.
We've had Wib discussing spreadsheets, 2021 may as well just end now, it can't possibly get better than this
Reminds me a bit of the program "Rollcall" which is/was a bit less drag and drop and more of clicking and adding. Still works though, for 3rd edition, but before the 3.5 codexes dropped. Fun to just play around in
I had that program, and it was a pain to get to work then as well.
Also... you really had those operating systems discs! Truly, you are tech priests!
Ahhhhh so many memories i had this and really liked it
Ahhh the Windows XP log off sound, it makes me so happy :D
Grfeat video as usual, keep it up guys
I started 40K with the release of Battle for MaCragge and used Army Builder throughout 4th and 5th edition. Good memories here.
It’s been a while since the dark crusaders were mentioned,and all I can say is,they actually sound very interesting and I wished they had more lore because they do sound very badass
I love using the classic pen, paper, codex and calculator to make my army lists! I’m an old fashioned guy and I get a good dopamine rush flicking back and forth through the pages, punching in the numbers and writing my list down.
This channel is criminally under viewedd
virgin Armies of the Imperium
vs
chad 2000's LoneWolf (wolf lair) Army Builder
Instructions...''keyboard and mouse''...written for me personally. Thanks GW
Army builder was around first, and there was also something forge. Battle forge? Used the later more towards 2004 because it had void and celtos support
Roll call was already there in the 90s...but maybe only whfb?
Oh my! Nostalgia overload.
I should still have my copy of the Space Marine army builder program kicking around somewhere. Thanks very much for reminding me of what it was called. IIRC I spent ages downloading all the additional files on dial up...
Actually really like the way the software works. Reminds me the oldish WertStammer army builder with images of the units.
I had and used this program and i loved it.
These make me feel so old. I was so excited to get them when they got released
I still my remember my gamer group using this program while pouring over the hard copies of the codex books..good times
This brings me down nostalgia lane.
I make plenty of fantasy army lists, you’re not alone! Usually spinning off from a single random mini I have lying around...
you're not alone! i definitely used to write up lists for armies that i would never actually own, using books borrowed from my brother or friends. i'm not sure i still do… i use battlescribe to write up experimental army lists, but mostly for the army that i _do_ collect… somewhat perversely now that i have a level of access to "other" codices through e.g. battlescribe, i don't really use it to demo "what if" army lists so much as peek at what other factions' rules are like
I can't believe I just sat here jamming out to the 8 bit outro music after the vid was over.
Seeing this makes me want to play third edition, I have the rulebook, the 2 of the codexes and the models. Thank you for this video, it has inspired me.
Indeed Wib, I have a dedicated file for Battlescribe dream lists. Also if the list concept is super specific I may have notes on what I would need in order to convert them. Such as using a Killaboss on Corpse-rippa Vulcha as the base for a Ork Snake Bites jet of some kind with magnetized weapon load outs...
Much respect for fighting the compatibility demon
Amazing Gameplay of Dune 2 (1992)
I remember these. The Lone Wolf Army Builder software was extremely popular at the time. In my area the GW software collected dust because updates were extremely infrequent whereas AB files generally got updated within a few days of a FAQ or release.
My area is mostly independent hobby stores. At the time an actual GW store opened but had a pretty bad location and closed once their lease expired. Between when the GW software was released and when that store closed, I don't think they sold a single copy of it.
I love these old programs, while its not the same sort of thing I remember helping my uncle organize his software collection in a database and the old ui of this really brings me back to that
the part about it needing the advent of smartphones to really thrive is ironic given that i still print my army lists out from battlescribe to this day. id argue having to look at a phone screen as a reference sort of defeats the purpose of playing a tabletop game.
Finally! What to take with me when I time travel back to 2003 to play 40K but aren't allowed to bring any paper back with me.
LOL, I have the IAL box next to my painting station. Was just looking at it before I saw this video.
Don’t worry Wib, I make lists of armies that I both have and don’t all the time and even from games I don’t play. I’m quite literally doing it right now with the Horus Heresy game.
I remember using a spreadsheet to do mine back in 2007, good times
Thrush, tonsillitis, ringworm, a pet eel that's not feeling sexy... Love oldhammer stuff, been playing since '87 and your channel gives me such good nostalgia kicks :]
Bloody interesting, played a lot of 3rd edition as a kid, even the eye of terror campaign! But somehow never came across these
If I had to guess, I'd say about 90% of my saved Battlescribe lists are 'fantasy'. Lists I'd like to play, or me just speculating on whether you could do an IG army mounted in Valkyries instead of Chimeras (obviously not any more).
Don't worry Wib, you're not the only one who makes fantasy army lists on Battlescribe *stares at Imperial Guard and Ork lists longingly*
Biker Mice from mars, that alone deserves a like.
Congrats on the 40k
This was actually a pretty fun little program and I was using it during my warhammer playing 4th edition heyday. Good times :)
Fuck yes! A codex complient to start the day!
Oh my, I remember the Enemies of the Imperium one and playing with it. Or at least the box art reminds me of something I've played with.
I feel so old.
You say terminayto, I say terminahto, let's shoot the whole thing off...? Interesting to see it was late enough to fall under the XML craze.
You say tomato, I say terminato
I've made about a hundred times more army lists than I've played games in total. Especially for armies I don't even own a single model for. So, yeah. You're good.
Biker mice from Mars, wow that's a name I haven't seen in a longtime
I remember this... it was their half assed attempt to compete with Lone Wolf Development's "Army Builder". I think Army Builder is technically still available but since all the data sets were fan generated and Army Builder itself went to a subscription format, 40K support completely died somewhere around 6th. Battlescribe might be good, but I hated it's interface compared to Army Builders.
To respond to the question at minute 8.10: Yes, I don't play since second edition, I don't have an army but I have more than fifty army lists on battelescribe ready :)
woop! new upload
LOVE YALL!! goodin video!
I have to express much thanks. I thought I'd never hear that Windows 98 Welcome thingiee again as I just simply assumed it was a very specific version of whatever software or not related to the OS itself, especially when had it turned off and never heard it since. Must have been like 23 years.
I'm happy you have a copy of Codex Cityfight. I was afraid I'd have to send you my copy for you to do an episode.
Blessed channel
Basically everyone I knew at the time ignored it in favor of the lonewolf army builder program. It was more intuitive to use, produced way better printouts and updated more frequently. In my area, it was actually strange to see anything else being used. Our store had a copy on their computer and encouraged people to use it instead of pen and paper lists because everyone playing there was so familiar with the program.
I personally LOVE to write Fantasy Army Lists. :D It´s one of my favorite things in the Hobby actually. :) Love your Codex Compliant series. Pure Nostalgia. :)
I actually own IAL! Each GW store was given a CD to try out and I was the only staff member with a PC beefy enough to run it!
I know of an lgs that still has a NIB copy of enemies of the imperium on the shelf.