Many Thanks for uploading this. You would hope that today there would be no chance of a conviction on that evidence. In fact, you would hope it wouldn't get to trial. The murder of a young woman always creates panic in the local area and police want it solved quickly. Sadly for Beattie, he took the fall for it. His story about the killers in tops hats covered in mirrors should alone have set alarms bells ringing immediately, alerting police that their suspect was vulnerable and suggestable.
I always come away from reading accounts of miscarriages of justice and realising that in a pressured and tense police investiation when the cops have only 1 suspect and are determiend to try convict them. In that situation just 1 or 2 mis spoken words is all it takes. I recall listneing to teh Brendan Dassey Audio of his police interview at the school. It was terrfiying to listen too, as the potential for a learning disabled teenager to say yes to the wrong question or say the wrong thing seems perilous. Knowing when to talk to police and when to say nothing is tricky.
@@CentreDivide Note also that cases like George Beattie, Stefan Kisko, et al also involve "confessions" coerced from intellectually simple people who are easy to confuse and thus easy to lead to where the interrogator want to take them.
@@CentreDivide Thankyou so much for these uploads. I much prefer these earlier episodes of Rough Justice, but unfortunately there isn’t many available on UA-cam.
Did he have an explanation for the speck of blood on his handkerchief? What was the victim doing from 8pm to midnight if she was killed around the latter time?
I don’t see how the police could have had enough evidence to charge Beattie, let alone get a case to trial. Having worked for a charity that, amongst other things, provided vulnerable adults with support in the event of being arrested, someone to sit in with the person who has been arrested and support them to ensure they understand proceedings during police interview, I don’t see how they couldn’t work out this man was vulnerable and suggestible. How they got a conviction I’ll never know, because they had no evidence. Then again, Beattie would hardly have the first person to be charged with an offence he didn’t commit, or the first person to find himself in prison, except now the alleged offences are not murder, they are alleged sexual offences. You can usually prove you haven’t committed a murder, even if it takes a while, but it can be horrific if you’re accused of a sexual offence from 20, 30, 40, even 50 years previously. You know you are innocent. In their soul the accuser knows you are innocent, but in a country where innocent until proven guilty has been turned on it’s head to guilty until proven innocent, you have to prove you haven’t done anything while the accuser is automatically believed and gets lifelong anonymity.
Its criminal that this show was cancelled just trying to get justice for innocent people think about it could easily be me or you wrongfully convicted this programme needs to be back on the ccrc aren't fit for purpose
It's laughable that anyone suggests that the system that handled this chap then has today become less corrupt, contemptible or inept; moreover that, now, in perhaps the darkest days, it is beyond reproach. The fact that the minds of the masses are so maleable and easily policed by an entire spectrum of false authority transmitted through the technical junctions that surplant independent thought and natural interaction means that today's institutional injustices are just as glaring and brazen, while being applauded in the street by the victims whose complacency often amounts to complicity.
I agree the need for effective counsel, true accountability for prosecutional misconduct, and authentic appeal systems that are reformed to be more substantial and reformed to examine facts outside the law, and retesting of forensic science etcc.. we really have failed in the last 2 decades. There have been many acheivements, particuarly in America, and we have a better system for children. However the old classic court system with the Judge and Jury has regressed and technology has grown and expanded so quickly that unless we radically bring in accountability we will simply lose what is left of the classic court system. It will be all nano chips and Ai assisted rulings. The legal system and the chance at human accountability will be lost.
he has written a book wich is good , also goes more in depth about how the police handled the whole situation , i thought was great as most of the things we hear was about how george said or did something , David also tried to interview another man who isnt much help, but who may or may not have had something to do with it , well worth the read
George beattie was released on licence in August 1986.To this day he still fights to clear his name and find the real killer.Another local man has since emerged as a suspect but he died over 10 years ago
Agree with earlier david jessel brilliant at this and trial and error Truth is programs like this make the police look pathetic thats why its cancelled......
@@09weenic I had a train of thought..was thinking about Slade, glamrock etc and their bizarre image (top hats with mirrors.) Then remembered that Rough Justice did a programme in which a guy had said he came across some men wearing top hats and mirrors near a crime scene in Scotland. It was just a vague memory, and I had not seen the programme for over 30 years! Thanks to the wonders of modern technology (youtube) plus too much time on my hands (semi lockdown) here I am. So Slade brought me here.
@@bossendenwoodconvict Noddy Holder bought his top hat off Freddie Mercury when he worked a stall on Kensington Market but it is a complete red herrings in relation to this case. I think the mystery music clue here is ; Meaty , Beattie , Big and Bouncy The Who's first album.
Many Thanks for uploading this. You would hope that today there would be no chance of a conviction on that evidence. In fact, you would hope it wouldn't get to trial. The murder of a young woman always creates panic in the local area and police want it solved quickly. Sadly for Beattie, he took the fall for it. His story about the killers in tops hats covered in mirrors should alone have set alarms bells ringing immediately, alerting police that their suspect was vulnerable and suggestable.
I always come away from reading accounts of miscarriages of justice and realising that in a pressured and tense police investiation when the cops have only 1 suspect and are determiend to try convict them. In that situation just 1 or 2 mis spoken words is all it takes. I recall listneing to teh Brendan Dassey Audio of his police interview at the school. It was terrfiying to listen too, as the potential for a learning disabled teenager to say yes to the wrong question or say the wrong thing seems perilous. Knowing when to talk to police and when to say nothing is tricky.
@@CentreDivide Note also that cases like George Beattie, Stefan Kisko, et al also involve "confessions" coerced from intellectually simple people who are easy to confuse and thus easy to lead to where the interrogator want to take them.
@@CentreDivide Thankyou so much for these uploads. I much prefer these earlier episodes of Rough Justice, but unfortunately there isn’t many available on UA-cam.
Was he ever released? And this is just a brilliant TV series!!!
Did he have an explanation for the speck of blood on his handkerchief? What was the victim doing from 8pm to midnight if she was killed around the latter time?
terrible injustice as people have said wouldnt get past the CPS today I hope justice is done
I don’t see how the police could have had enough evidence to charge Beattie, let alone get a case to trial. Having worked for a charity that, amongst other things, provided vulnerable adults with support in the event of being arrested, someone to sit in with the person who has been arrested and support them to ensure they understand proceedings during police interview, I don’t see how they couldn’t work out this man was vulnerable and suggestible. How they got a conviction I’ll never know, because they had no evidence. Then again, Beattie would hardly have the first person to be charged with an offence he didn’t commit, or the first person to find himself in prison, except now the alleged offences are not murder, they are alleged sexual offences. You can usually prove you haven’t committed a murder, even if it takes a while, but it can be horrific if you’re accused of a sexual offence from 20, 30, 40, even 50 years previously. You know you are innocent. In their soul the accuser knows you are innocent, but in a country where innocent until proven guilty has been turned on it’s head to guilty until proven innocent, you have to prove you haven’t done anything while the accuser is automatically believed and gets lifelong anonymity.
Look at what happened to Stefan Kiszco
Some great uploads! Thank you 😊
Glad you like them!
as anybody got any more of theses can only find a handful
Its criminal that this show was cancelled just trying to get justice for innocent people think about it could easily be me or you wrongfully convicted this programme needs to be back on the ccrc aren't fit for purpose
It's laughable that anyone suggests that the system that handled this chap then has today become less corrupt, contemptible or inept; moreover that, now, in perhaps the darkest days, it is beyond reproach. The fact that the minds of the masses are so maleable and easily policed by an entire spectrum of false authority transmitted through the technical junctions that surplant independent thought and natural interaction means that today's institutional injustices are just as glaring and brazen, while being applauded in the street by the victims whose complacency often amounts to complicity.
I agree the need for effective counsel, true accountability for prosecutional misconduct, and authentic appeal systems that are reformed to be more substantial and reformed to examine facts outside the law, and retesting of forensic science etcc.. we really have failed in the last 2 decades. There have been many acheivements, particuarly in America, and we have a better system for children. However the old classic court system with the Judge and Jury has regressed and technology has grown and expanded so quickly that unless we radically bring in accountability we will simply lose what is left of the classic court system. It will be all nano chips and Ai assisted rulings. The legal system and the chance at human accountability will be lost.
If I'm right I think Professor David Wilson has written a book about this story as he knew the family
he has written a book wich is good , also goes more in depth about how the police handled the whole situation , i thought was great as most of the things we hear was about how george said or did something , David also tried to interview another man who isnt much help, but who may or may not have had something to do with it , well worth the read
What happened to him?
George beattie was released on licence in August 1986.To this day he still fights to clear his name and find the real killer.Another local man has since emerged as a suspect but he died over 10 years ago
Cheers for that
@@ianbousfield5007They fecked up his life.
Why don't they do DNA testing now. It is so advanced now. That would tell the real truth!
Agree with earlier david jessel brilliant at this and trial and error
Truth is programs like this make the police look pathetic thats why its cancelled......
And now you have Luke Mitchell inside who is innocent
Slade brought me here.
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@David Holstock spot on 🤩
@@09weenic I had a train of thought..was thinking about Slade, glamrock etc and their bizarre image (top hats with mirrors.) Then remembered that Rough Justice did a programme in which a guy had said he came across some men wearing top hats and mirrors near a crime scene in Scotland. It was just a vague memory, and I had not seen the programme for over 30 years! Thanks to the wonders of modern technology (youtube) plus too much time on my hands (semi lockdown) here I am. So Slade brought me here.
@@bossendenwoodconvict Noddy Holder bought his top hat off Freddie Mercury when he worked a stall on Kensington Market but it is a complete red herrings in relation to this case. I think the mystery music clue here is ;
Meaty , Beattie , Big and Bouncy
The Who's first album.