I wanted to point out that when marinette told alya that she was ladybug first of all the situation was very serious because at that time marinette was sad and conflicted. the reaction alya gave after the reveal was acceptable due to the intensity of the moment.
it’s really frustrating to me how people don’t seem to understand or don’t want to understand chloe’s story. chloe doesn’t treat adrien as an item. she really cares about him since they have been friends since childhood (side note- i really wish creator’s of the show would show more of their childhood moments) and her parents were never interested in her. her father would buy her love with expensive gifts instead of actually caring about her and her mother doesn’t even remember her name. that’s the main reason why she became a bully, not because she was bored or something. before season 4 i would call her the best written miraculous character but since season 3 finale happened i would call her useless and almost like filler character
ALSO chloe doesn’t hate ladybug without a reason (quick reminder that she was her biggest fan before season 3 finale happened). ladybug was being a total hypocrite towards her. chloe turned evil again cuz ladybug was promising to give her the miraculous (which she didn’t)
Andre does care about Chloe. He didn’t want Chloe or Audrey to leave in Malediktator and he would literally do anything for her. He barely even stands up to Chloe
Sorry for how long this is in advance 😁❤️ Ladybug never promised to give her the bee miraculous back. She wasn’t suppose to have it to begin with. Also, with all due respect, your argument is not true. I understand why you feel like Chloe has a reason for being a bully but really it’s exactly why Ladybug didn’t give it back. There is no reason to be mean. Ever. You can come from a bad home and still be a nice person. Everyone tried to be nice to her and she talks down to everyone. Even Adrien. She is spoiled, entitled and still bullies everyone when she wasn’t wearing it (but she did have an attitude with it on with a few people). She also exposed her identity to all of Paris when keeping your identity a secret is the number one rule. She is also the reason so many people have been akumatized which helped Hawk Moth find out the identities of the other members. I’m not saying Chloe was the worst superhero (actually she was really good) but she didn’t deserve it. Not to mention she teamed up with Hawk Moth and Lila. Her father loves her and always defends her and does what she wants. Her mother is just unfit😂 lastly, she bullies her own sister, father and staff outside of school on a daily basis. She is just a bully and really nothing more.
okay LOOK nino is my fav i love him to bits but the writers use him so poorly. if they did what they did with alya with nino,, i feel like it would majorly improve the plotline and chatnoir/adriens characters. if adrien told nino he was chat it would be so relieving. (and give nino actual purpose).
I agree that it would be refreshing but I don’t think adrien should tell nino. Nino is really bad at keeping secrets as we have seen multiple times such as in puppeteer when he almost spilled the fact that Mari likes adrien and in rocketeer when he told adrien that LB gave him and alya the miraculous together.
The part where Nino is a filler character is sadly true but the poor guy isn't even in the miraculous merch?! Even in the picture or merch of the five main hero's (LB,CN,RR,C,QB)he isn't in those most of the time!
I feel like if Chat Noir was an entirely different person that either is literally a guy that straight up worked and lived as Chat Noir and didn't have another identity or had another identity as a guy that acts exactly like chat noir, Adrien would be a total fanboy that would become his best friend- they seem like they would have way more chemistry than Adrien and Nino. It was also be a fun role reversal for Adrien- the famous dude that hates being famous becomes a fanboy.
I just wanted to say I don’t know why Chloe bullies Marinette because you can see in the episode where Marinette is worried about Kagame being with Adrien She didn’t know for the longest time that Marinette liked Adrien
They simply are pointing out that storywise, these characters are written in a way that makes them filler characters: you could really easily remove them from the show, and it wouldn´t really chance the core narrative of the story in the slightest.
the only problematic thing about this show is the FANDOM! its basically a kids' show but the so called ADULT TEENS are taking this whole kids' show thingy to another level; so as to MAINTAIN the hype amongst everyone, the writers need to make changes in their ORIGINAL STUFFS which makes the content worse.
i have a theory that the only reason why zoe exists is because people responded so, so negatively to chloe having the bee miraculous that the writers course corrected and turned her into this awful one dimensional character she has become. she had the potential to be an absolutely amazing character, but people with narrow vision absolutely could not see it. still love my girl and hope they do right by her in the end :(
I wanted to point out that when marinette told alya that she was ladybug first of all the situation was very serious because at that time marinette was sad and conflicted. the reaction alya gave after the reveal was acceptable due to the intensity of the moment.
it’s really frustrating to me how people don’t seem to understand or don’t want to understand chloe’s story. chloe doesn’t treat adrien as an item. she really cares about him since they have been friends since childhood (side note- i really wish creator’s of the show would show more of their childhood moments) and her parents were never interested in her. her father would buy her love with expensive gifts instead of actually caring about her and her mother doesn’t even remember her name. that’s the main reason why she became a bully, not because she was bored or something. before season 4 i would call her the best written miraculous character but since season 3 finale happened i would call her useless and almost like filler character
ALSO chloe doesn’t hate ladybug without a reason (quick reminder that she was her biggest fan before season 3 finale happened). ladybug was being a total hypocrite towards her. chloe turned evil again cuz ladybug was promising to give her the miraculous (which she didn’t)
Andre does care about Chloe. He didn’t want Chloe or Audrey to leave in Malediktator and he would literally do anything for her. He barely even stands up to Chloe
Sorry for how long this is in advance 😁❤️
Ladybug never promised to give her the bee miraculous back. She wasn’t suppose to have it to begin with. Also, with all due respect, your argument is not true. I understand why you feel like Chloe has a reason for being a bully but really it’s exactly why Ladybug didn’t give it back. There is no reason to be mean. Ever. You can come from a bad home and still be a nice person. Everyone tried to be nice to her and she talks down to everyone. Even Adrien. She is spoiled, entitled and still bullies everyone when she wasn’t wearing it (but she did have an attitude with it on with a few people). She also exposed her identity to all of Paris when keeping your identity a secret is the number one rule. She is also the reason so many people have been akumatized which helped Hawk Moth find out the identities of the other members. I’m not saying Chloe was the worst superhero (actually she was really good) but she didn’t deserve it. Not to mention she teamed up with Hawk Moth and Lila. Her father loves her and always defends her and does what she wants. Her mother is just unfit😂 lastly, she bullies her own sister, father and staff outside of school on a daily basis. She is just a bully and really nothing more.
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It's all because of Thomas Astruc 😭😭
Which is why I'm excited for the movie because Thomas isn't a part of it 😍
Thomas ass truck
okay LOOK nino is my fav i love him to bits but the writers use him so poorly. if they did what they did with alya with nino,, i feel like it would majorly improve the plotline and chatnoir/adriens characters. if adrien told nino he was chat it would be so relieving. (and give nino actual purpose).
I agree that it would be refreshing but I don’t think adrien should tell nino.
Nino is really bad at keeping secrets as we have seen multiple times such as in puppeteer when he almost spilled the fact that Mari likes adrien and in rocketeer when he told adrien that LB gave him and alya the miraculous together.
I think Ayla’s reaction to marinet being ladybug is perfect she did not over react and she supported her
Whats wrong with overreacting? Wouldnt you expect it from the celebrity's fan who learned that his bf is actually this celebrity?
@@wellidontknow1941 cause she knows how she is feeling she doesn’t want to overwhelm her
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Her reaction makes sense to me because it was my own reaction as well with so much fast heartbeats and some shaking with so many screams!!
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I feel like there needs to be a mid character like equally mean and kind and is actually useful
The part where Nino is a filler character is sadly true but the poor guy isn't even in the miraculous merch?! Even in the picture or merch of the five main hero's (LB,CN,RR,C,QB)he isn't in those most of the time!
I feel like if Chat Noir was an entirely different person that either is literally a guy that straight up worked and lived as Chat Noir and didn't have another identity or had another identity as a guy that acts exactly like chat noir, Adrien would be a total fanboy that would become his best friend- they seem like they would have way more chemistry than Adrien and Nino.
It was also be a fun role reversal for Adrien- the famous dude that hates being famous becomes a fanboy.
I would like to see luka, kagami, and alix in the next video
Bro you made me see Chloe differently!
my only question to be totally honest is when on earth will luka’s acknowledgment of ladybug & cat noir’s identity do something more to the plot
They never do
You forgot to mention that Nino was carapace
I just wanted to say I don’t know why Chloe bullies Marinette because you can see in the episode where Marinette is worried about Kagame being with Adrien She didn’t know for the longest time that Marinette liked Adrien
I love puppeteer 2 as well 😳
Watch Penalteam, then you'll see Sabrina's development. Maybe that will enroll Chloe's development.
HOW CAN YOU FUCKING MAKE THESE CHARACTERS MEANINGLESS! Like, Alya r u insane? chloe!
They simply are pointing out that storywise, these characters are written in a way that makes them filler characters: you could really easily remove them from the show, and it wouldn´t really chance the core narrative of the story in the slightest.
7:16 LMAOO
😂
so far in season 5 chole has become more of a useful character and is changing the plot
Can you include Kagami and Luka I’m honestly curious on how you are going to analyzing them
the only problematic thing about this show is the FANDOM!
its basically a kids' show but the so called ADULT TEENS are taking this whole kids' show thingy to another level; so as to MAINTAIN the hype amongst everyone, the writers need to make changes in their ORIGINAL STUFFS which makes the content worse.
i have a theory that the only reason why zoe exists is because people responded so, so negatively to chloe having the bee miraculous that the writers course corrected and turned her into this awful one dimensional character she has become. she had the potential to be an absolutely amazing character, but people with narrow vision absolutely could not see it. still love my girl and hope they do right by her in the end :(
U and me
cloe dusint hate laydebug
I disagree with you for especially this vídeo
Whatever you say lil kid