Can Britain make Brexit work? | Armando Iannucci | New Statesman
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In this episode, Armando Iannucci and Anoosh Chakelian discuss “the great unspoken issue” - Brexit. It has been 6 years since Britain voted to leave the European Union and yet, according to Iannucci it’s still a “prickly topic” - why is this and can it ever change?
Anoosh and Armando are joined by two brothers, both with separate businesses dealing with Europe who voted different ways in the 2016 Brexit referendum. Ian Baxter, who voted to remain in the EU and Nigel Baxter who voted to leave the EU.
Together they discuss the fallout from Brexit 6 years on, what has been worse than expected and better than expected.
One supposed disappointment resulting from Brexit is the reaction of international leaders, in particular, Macron, who Nigel accuses of being “childish”. In contrast, Ian is concerned that Brexit has played a role in “breaking” the UK’s reputation abroad.
The panel also discuss why the brothers found themselves on opposing sides of the Brexit debate, how their decisions have impacted their relationship, businesses and worldview if they have any regrets, and how we can begin to move on.
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The Brexit brother keeps saying the UK and EU need to come together, but if I was a Dutch/French/German/etc trade minister I would see it as in my own nation's best interest to hoover up as much of Britain's trade as possible since they are now less competitive. Why is it their responsibility to make brexit work? How many UK businesses have now moved branches to the EU & are now paying tax there?
Exactly it's a global world, we joined the EU because the British market lost its international access. We've let a lot of international industry exit into Europe by leaving the EU and with it goes our trade power. Europe would be giving charity if it let us work with them so close after Brexit. It should want our business to move there and considering we were a major economy that briefly shuck the unification and stability of the EU by leaving isn't exactly going to let us rejoin without first taking advantage of our vulnerability.
Makes no sense, Brexit was fundamentally about the UK and EU separating, not coming together . But Brexit never made any sense. More having your cake and eating it.
That's why nobody here in the EU considers aiding the UK except for minor tweaks, when it comes to help EU business.
For the same reason EU members would block any application by the UK.
Greetings from Bavaria
The UK blew up Europe's energy supply under instructions from Uncle Sam.
@@Andrew-rc3vh Thanks Andrewski
The leaver brother said it really when he admitted that he was incompetent to understand the implications of Brexit. Then he refuses to listen to those who do know what Brexit has cost and will continue to cost in perpetuity.
No, but you see, because the UK government hasn't been able to implement many of the customs checks and procedures that should already be in place for imports it hasn't had any effect on his business. Only what is in front of his eyes at that given moment exists for him. There is no such thing as object permanence or tangible reality for other people.
No he gets it right when saying that the only people still interested in brexit are butthurt London liberals. Him and his brother, who agrees with him on the negligible effects on trade, are both businessmen ie the backbone of the economy who create jobs and wealth as opposed to the chattering class of elites and intellectuals who contribute nothing measurable to economy or society.
Did you notice how much redder the leave brother's face was - has anyone done a study on measuring red faced voting?
@@fillrobs7726 fatter as well
No we remainers refuse to forget about Brexit because it was based on a pack of lies and therefore should NEVER have been allowed to happen.
We will reverse it!
I'm afraid that I can never trust a country and a government that implemented a catastrophically stupid policy simply to attempt to heal a rift in the tory party.
I just want my freedom of movement back in order that I can leave. The wounds inflicted by brexit, for instance loosing a third of the sales of my specialised engineering company making it economically unviable, cannot healed. Project fear is now project reality and anyone who claims differently is a liar.
I will never forgive nor forget.
@@ej2832 Reverse it. If ONLY.
It says a lot about Remainers to think that all Brexiteers believed anything Boris said... they must be racists: they must be anti European etc etc...
Over the past 40 years, whilst in the EU, politicians of both Conservative and Labour govts, "borrowed to invest" £2.5 Trillion on the strength of EU future trade underwriting these loans... Liz Truss discovered that there are limits...
Some Brexiteers already knew this...
Some Remainers can't see past the end of their nose...and want to carry on "borrowing to invest" for another 40 years?...
... rather like the honest, integrity, patriotic, you name it I'll pledge it then break it later... Kier Starmer... whose policies are fully costed, fully vague and fully bogus... God Help Us...
As has probably been posted here already, Brexit brother honestly believed England could leave the club, but still command the perks of being a member.
Both have NO CHOICE now, but to try and make it work.
Ireland will reunite, Scotland has it's foot out the door, and quite honestly this empire is now well and truly over!
If we look at all the greatest empires, they have virtually all collapsed on themselves, through their own arrogance and exceptionalism to all and returned to the earth, humble farmers and agrarian countries.
Europe hasn't contributed to Brexit.
Brexiteers have to take it on the chin, they effed it all up!
I don't understand the argument "I believe in the United Kingdom". Those of us who live and work in the EU also 'believe' in our countries. Why do some Brits assume that being a member of the EU somehow diminishes your country?
Lads, sounds like someone doesn’t believe in the United Kingdom!
It depends what your understanding of "your country" is though doesn't it? If you view your country in terms of a cog in a market system then arguments about remaining in a "free market zone" might sound convincing. But if an understanding of "your country" includes a belief in a sovereign parliament, a nationally defined identity and a common law - then incorporation into a new fangled system of law and government which feels deeply alien and unaccountable might make any or all economic arguments mute. At the end of the day economic prosperity can be achieved in a myriad of ways (theoretically at least). Britain could be prosperous inside or outside the EU. But can Britain maintain a sense of national continuity with its past while being a part of a Napoleonic rights based & elite backed fake constitution? I have my doubts. For most Brexit voters this is simply not a debate about economics but one of national destiny. And yes I do believe that most people who voted to remain in the EU have a very shallow / dismissive understanding / commitment to national community Most of them would probably view it as a dirty or suspicious word. Something best relegated to the past in favour of more "global" solutions.
@@LS-xs7sg I think you are spot on when you say that this is not a debate about the economics but about identity. My wife is British and feels robbed of her European identity as do her siblings who are all proud Brits and resident on the continent. As a direct consequence, many of them, my wife included, have felt obliged to obtain a second nationality so as to retain or regain their rights in the EU and feel secure that they can remain with their families, continue working etc.
But the rest of your argument is not only wrong factually. Most of the EU member states do not use Napoleonic law, just as an example nor is there a constitution. The EU system also is not unaccountable nor alien, at least no more so than any national system. The EU system is in fact one of the most transparent political systems in the world.
As for your assertion that membership of the EU removes any sense of national continuity or pride and that remainers have no understanding of a national community, all I can say is, you clearly do not travel enough and engage enough with your fellow Europeans. Europe is a continent filled with many different nationalities and from Galway in the west to Varna in the east and from Seville in the south to Oulu in the north, they are proud of their nationalities, their identities and their traditions.
What I think you fail to understand is that identity is a multi-layered and complex thing. I bet you have a family, maybe a job, you probably have neighbours, friends from a sports club, perhaps some old uni or school friends etc. Your identity in these different groups differ but the totality is you. Same is true for everyone. I can have a strong sense of identity with the town I grew up in in Sweden but also the town I went to university in in the UK or the other town I lived in for many years and where my son was born, also in the UK. I can feel linked to the town in Germany where I met my first girlfriend and lived alone for the first time and the town in Belgium where we now live.
@@georgeholmer8563 By Napoleonic law I mean the idea that law is implemented from above rather than being worked out through case law precedent from below (i.e. common law systems). There is a huge disconnect which Blair exacerbated by creating the Supreme Court and further undermine the sovereignty of our democratic institutions. As for your claim that the EU is as democratically accountable as the British Parliamentary system I simply disagree. The EU parliament cant even propose laws. Nor is the executive body formed from amongst its elected members. Everything is incredibly indirect and is simply not as accountable as national democratic systems tend to be. The EU is a weird mishmash of treaty and semi-democratic government. As your claim that the european identity of your family members has been undermined by leaving the EU I would simply say that the EU is not Europe. And if their European identity depends on having a pan-european political structure then that is up to them - personally i think that is quite shallow. As an ethno-nationalist I actually think Britain did the Europeans a favour by leaving. The EU has a lot of right wing potential given the radical currents in French, German and Italian politics which are much weaker in the fundamentally liberal culture of the Anglosphere.
@@LS-xs7sg Quite a lot to unpack there, I’ll try to take it in order.
1) You are of course correct that the continental legal traditions differ from common law but I think you have misunderstood something when you talk about case law coming from below. Case law or common law is judge made law. This current Tory government dislikes what they call activist judges and I assume you do too given your apparent dislike of the Supreme Court. Furthermore, the UK is a member of many international organisations and is thus still subject to international law which essentially is what EU law is.
2) You cannot compare the EU to the UK parliamentary system. What I said is that the EU is transparent and accountable, it discloses all meetings with lobbyists etc. The EU is not a democratic country, it is an international treaty organisation. All supreme power rests with the member states via the Council. It is true that the member states have assigned power to the Commission but as all member states remain sovereign at all times, they can leave at any point. In fact, Brexit demonstrated this exact point.
3) No, the EU is not Europe, but the European identity I spoke of was that as a citizen of the European Union with the right to travel, work and study in the EU and EEA which all UK nationals enjoyed up until Brexit.
4) Ethno-nationalist? In other words, Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak are not British in your world?
5) You are correct of course that there is a far amount of right wing politics currently but you are again mixing things up. There are massive differences between the countries you mention. In Germany, for example, the right lost the last election. I also find it laughable that you assert that the UK is a liberal country. It is currently one of the most illiberal countries in Europe.
The Brexit brother is an example of an intelligent man who has been backed into a corner and now finds himself having to justify stupidity.
I was a bit like that for a while .
I'm a carpenter. Most builders were pro Brexit. Cut supply increase demand our wages go up . Finally we can buy a house and not just build them for others.
It worked wages went up 20% over night.
But houses went up as well still can't afford one and now I've lost the opportunity to buy abroad.
I don't fall for much but I fell for Brexit.
I was a Corbyn man I'm no Tory.
@A Van Called Rupert Thats what happens when your selfish. You fell into your own rap and quite frankly, you deserve it.
@A Van Called Rupert The difference being that you had 1) a good reason and 2) the ability to doubt yourself. As a result you aren't defending stupidity. There is nothing wrong with being wrong. There is a lot wrong with being stubborn in the face of clear evidence contrary to your position.
Six years on and people in the UK still don't understand what a customs union is or what the single market is and who gets access to it...or what the price of access is.
Yep, the perfect situation to let people vote on membership, what a great idea 😂
Yep. They never did. So at least now your incessant whining is confined to your own shores.
It's effectively a protection mechanism built around a certain group of countries.
@@roasthunter Good god. The UK is soooo screwed
@@prophetsnake Strangely I've seen zero impact on the business I work in from Brexit but as per my comment now we are outside the EU we are outside that protection system so inevitably that has an impact on trade from the UK because the EU protectionism is doing exactly what it's designed to do.
The view from Australia is UK is in consistent and inexorable decline. All aggravated by a refusal to accept UK doesn’t matter anymore compared to EU.
So now EU sets worldwide product standards nor US and certainly not UK
I agree. As a young adult, I have never understood where my parents or grand parents have been coming from about us being a 'great' country. It's okay, but we've not done anything GREAT for some time. Someone coined it perfectly as a country that flits between God complex to utter despair on a bipolar cycle.
you are right! thats what makes it so frustrating for us brits in UK that have not drunk the coolaid, we call bullshit and get told we are "talking the country down" or "unpatriotic". Its such a toxic place now.
Totally agree with you, unfortunately Scotland is being tarred with the same brush as England.
It makes me frustrated that the the Scottish government are having to mitigate the actions of Westminster nearly every day.
England has a voting majority 55million v's 5.5 million, the odds are always staked against Scotland.
I think you will find that view replicated throughout the former British Commonwealth which is setting its eyes on the EU. Ironically, Commonwealth stateshave morein common with each other than they do with the UK
UK was the GREATEST country of the world as long as it had its empire because it made a big benefit of exployting its colonies.
After the British Empire broke the UK got the sick man of Europe.
Entering the EU the economical motor of the UK started working well again and since Brexit the UK is on the best way to become the sick man of Europe again.
BTW: Friktionless trade between European states is only working inside the single market.
The pro Brexit guy sells an EU product into the UK and is not experiencing any problems, think about it. Maybe his view would hold more weight if he exported products and could tell us how trade has improved.
Worse than that. The only reason his business hasn't been negatively impacted is because the UK is not completing customs checks and procedures as per its trade agreements. Essentially operating as a smugglers heaven, a banana republic that can't control its borders. The irony is lost on him apparently.
I always find it hilarious that people who supported Brexit are all about independence from the European Union, yet shout about the benefits of the union of the United Kingdom..
If we had a referendum in England for us to leave the Union, I think it would be a tight race
You can literally look at them and spot the gammon.
It’s good in theory to do this kind of thing, but the brexity brother didn’t really concede anything and yet you still tried to suggest he had. As you elsewhere suggested, he was pro Brexit and Trump, anti-vax and anti-BBC. Would it have been quicker to have asked if read the Daily Mail?
Dialogue is obviously important, but this was a conversation that had little real dialogue. The problem with people like him is not that he’s stupid, but that what he has to say about the world is stupefying.
the problem is a lot of right wingers simply refuse to accept reality, they live in a fantasy bubble and refuse to accept they were conned and lied to.
if i was a brexiteer i would be fuming all the amazing stuff promised isnt appearing, yet they all shrug it off? madness.
Nigel's comment at 13:06 indicates he's at best ambivalent about Trump. I think this is something that's surprised many Remainers: despite Farage and Johnson's support of Trump, many Leavers disliked him.
Oh, and doubtful Nigel reads the Mail. Surely he gets the Torygraph.
You make many points that I would agree with.
However, discussing whether to leave the EU wasn’t particularly high up on the wider population’s agenda, having its roots in the internal conflict within the Conservative Party and David Cameron’s desire to bolster his own authority.
That we even have a topic of supposed importance labelled by the meangless term Brexit just shows how much media amplified rhetoric has overtaken real issues that affect us all.
I’m sure there are many journalists who felt that the media did not fulfil its role in creating an effective public sphere in which to discuss clearly complex issues.
That remains true today and appears to be a very difficult nut to crack.
The Brexit brother either has not looked at the data comparing the British trade “recovery” after the pandemic when compared to other G7 countries, can’t understand graphs or is in denial. It’s good to see they’re still talking but I would be very frustrated were I the Remain brother .
I see what you mean. It’s a bit of a blind spot in a sense, especially when he still does not yet accept the obvious failings at least partly attributed to Brexit. That’s why I think ultimately it is fruitless unless there is some admission to bare facts from both parties, at the moment Ian has to endure his brother’s stance.
It might be wilful ignorance, but I suspect most who make this argument are just repeating it thoughtlessly. Oddly enough, Ian (the Remain brother) repeated it at 18:30
It hasn't yet affected him personally, once it does, he will suddenly switch sides. I'm well aware of these kinds of people, RAH RAH sovereignty, right to choose, freedom! oh wait, it's affecting me now? well that needs sorting!
The worst part is that the negative consequences of Brexit are immediate, but the benefits are all theoretical, potential, some time in the future. Its just so sad. Leavers got what they wanted, but was mainly based on ideology, not practicalities..
The benefits of Brexit are in fact imaginary. I have never heard anyone come up with a substantive benefit. Certainly not in the future. We're on the slide - gravity will do the rest.
There are no realistic benefits, not even theoretical. The only scenario where Brexit makes any sense is if the EU and the Euro were to collapse. Many staunch Brexiteers still insist that this is likely. It is not.
That’s like any divorce
@@itsnowjoke1381 Apart from the reality that we'll eventually remarry and it won't be to anybody who's not close.
Danish citizen here. I know for a fact that I haven't traded as much as I would have liked with UK since Brexit. Maybe two or three times in the last 3 or 4 years. I have spoken to my friends and it's the same for them. We pay customs each time now.
Many mom and pop stores in the UK have hit it hard after Brexit. For instance I have bought miniatures many time at a web-store in Plymouth but after Brexit just once. The customs were nearly 50% of the things I bought. I can't afford that in the long run. And on ebay my favourite sellers were UK based. I have to look for other web-stores now, and indeed I have. I'm sorry for the small business, if they are not careful they risk braking their neck on Brexit.
listening to Brexiters actually destroys brain cells
Yes, does he actually believe this crap. The anti Brexit BBC, if only... quite the opposite. Embarrassing
Well it's destroyed theirs
Listening to you is like listening to the worst of them. You are more similar than distinct.
The "leave brother" is quite cute. "You know that there are all kinds of reasons why trade is down." Then please explain why the UK is the only G7 country that still is not back to pre Covid levels. "You know that at least imports are not affected as much because we postponed controls." So acting illegally by ignoring WTO regulations to check imports from all countries equally and instead just allowing all kinds of smuggling from the EU is the only way to make Brexit work? How does that fit to "Take back control"?
Brexit is causing the demise of the UK. I am also worried that we will lose Scotland and N. Ireland because of our stupid decision to the EU!
No he can't because there are none.
Ireland will be a united island once again as it should be.
The SNP don't really want independence because getting it means they'd have to stop blaming Westminster for all Scotlands problems and actually take responsibility themselves for how badly they run things.
Unfortunately Nicola Sturgeon seems to have attained "Dear leader" status here and like in Westminster there is no credible opposition.
We can’t fix the problem until we admit the problem. Brexit was, is and always will be a problem. In the meantime we will decline until we grow up and admit that it has been a disaster.
UK is stuffed. To think UK will find new trade in Asia is not even a joke. It is just ridiculous. We don’t need UK. If you want talk about childish behaviour look at Farages departure speech as an MEP
Who is "we"?
@@LordOfLight The people of Asia....ask a silly question....
@@Ribod .....get a silly answer, and from a silly person.
I didn't ask you.
It's still difficult to hear leave voters talk about sovereignty without finding it infuriating. Maybe more so than in 2016, after everything we've seen happen to the country since.
From personal experience, I was selling around £500 of music to the EU, about £100 since we left. Double VAT and , initially, no help in how to fill in Customs, makes the UK uncompetitive
It is very important to remember that the key reason that a trade deal with the US has not emerged is because Brexit has left us in a situation where the NI Protocol, and the attempts to "get around it" has left the UK in a situation where it may be breaking international law. That's why Biden won't, yet at least, countenance negotiating a trade deal with the UK. This is a timely conversation; we need to stop the arguing about whether it was, or wasn't a good thing and start building from a situation where it's in place. But now it seems we're stuck in a situation where (and I'm sorry but I do think this is coming more from the pro-Brexit camp than the Remain camp) we can't move past "Oh it's Covid and Ukraine". Clearly those things are having an impact, but we can already see the impact of Brexit on trade and on skills shortages (even the CBI has been recently calling for increased immigration for skilled workers; that's got nowt to do with Covid or Ukraine, my loves). And when you have one of the brothers insulting European leaders, it looks like an adult conversation is still some way off.
Yes and we are no longer an attractive trading partner to the US because there is no longer any international investment in the UK....we have lost the advantage of unfettered access to a market of 470 million people and all the additional wealth that it brings.
@@Ribod a market of 400 milion relatively wealty people, not just 400milion people. Theres a bilion people living in Africa but they just cant afford to buy uk goods and that makes brexit a big mistake
The problem is that it looks like there will never be a discussion about Brexit, and about how to move forward. Merely to open a discussion would need a frank appraisal of the situation that Brexit has left us in, and it is obvious that something need to be done. There was never gong to be any sort of gain to be had by passively expecting things to improve. We have been left with a whole heap of problems which might be turned to our advantage (although personally I think we have to make the best of a bad job, we have to claw back and mend the damage that's been created). This needs to be faced up to and the first thing that must be admitted is that it HAS been damaging. Once politicians face this we can move on, but the Catch 22 is that to move on we need to admit that we have problems as a result of Brexit. There's still too much double think - Boris never got Brexit done, because the Northern Ireland situation was never dealt with. It's a fantasy to think otherwise. A Brexit which would be beneficial to Brexit was never going to be deliverable, it was always a lie and a fantasy. Who is going to admit that they sold us a mountain of lies and fantasy falsehoods, pandering to the worst prejudices of the electorate? Nobody will do that - the main perpetrators and initiators are already out of the public eye, leaving us with the sh*tty end of the stick.
Europe doesn't need to "move on". Europe lost a very small part of its economic activity, Britain lost a much more significant amont.
Britain now has third nation status, so the French or any other of our previous trading partners has no obligation to treat Britain any better than any other non EU entity.
As members of a single market any individual country isn't even allowed to treat the UK any different than the trade deal specifies.
I don't think we'll get over Brexit until we acknowledge that, as a nation, we made a bad choice, and the benefits that were promised have not materialised, and likely never will. Young people who didn't get to choose are saddled with the consequences, and as their votes become more decisive in our future elections, I think there will be an ever growing desire to remove obstacles that separate us from our continental neighbours, and ultimately to rejoin.
Leave came at huge financial cost, and will continue to be an overhead on our ability to trade and wield geopolitical influence. But aside from the money, there is the opportunity cost of all the things that government, the executive, and British businesses could have been doing over the last six years, had they not been consumed with the endless minutiae and tedious debates attached to achieving the separation demanded by the vote. These costs are inherently difficult to identify precisely, but the scale of them will become more and more apparent as economic growth and per capita prosperity continue to lag behind comparable economies among our closest neighbours.
They've not been allowed to....
I agree with this, leave voters have to start admitting they've made a huge mistake and remain voters need to forgive them. I'm not sure either group are there yet. edited to add - this is in response to @Ozymandias' very good post
@@Mandy-dy7nj i don't need your forgiveness ! No 'mistake' was made. You sound sanctimonious.
@@paulmatthews9366 And you sound defensive ;)
"I agree with this, leave voters have to start admitting they've made a huge mistake and remain voters need to forgive them. I'm not sure either group are there yet." Just to be clear, I was replying to @Ozymandias with this post.
The argument is not about the economic issues as admitted by the Brexiteers. There is no argument that it is an economic disaster, but the argument about sovereignty is a more real discussion. Little England on it's own, or England part of a larger whole and important participant. Little England will never work we simply don't have the heft. We could become the 51st state, and that would work fine but truly, being simply another but backward California to the East is hard to imagine the population following. To be an important part of Europe makes sense being a sovereign part of a larger whole....admittedly a project still in the making, but a worthy and successful one anyway. The discussion of the economics is simply that.....the result is obvious to everyone...an economic disaster. The Brexiteers 'guilt' about what they have done to the country makes them aggressively unfriendly to our neighbours and makes us look like complete fools to the rest of the world.
100% spot on.
Worse than 'fools', I think the better description is 'tools'.
Just in passing, what makes you think there is an offer for us to become "the 51st state"?
I don't think England's economy is even as large as that of CA alone and it's population is, I think about 1/3 larger than that of CA; so incredibly low productivity. Not that it's in the offing, but I don't think the US would want England. US does not need a Mississippi of the far east.
I certainly agree with your last sentence, very perceptive.
Im not sure what planet Brexit brother is living in, I'm a graphic designer and the 6 companies that I deal with who import and export all say Brexit has damaged their business.
Also you will soon hear from a large food brand who is about to throw in the towel - you heard it here first.
The smug Brexiter brother is so so predictable with his claims that opponents of Brexit are the out of touch London elite whilst the good old boys in the provinces - who know what life is all about - have 'moved on' and were more interested in football. I found that offensive. He didn't even acknowledge that SMEs, musicians, roadies, students, academics, retirees and many others are suffering because of Brexit, and prices have gone up. But, hey, let's move on. And has anything actually got better?
I find it VERY difficult to take seriously anyone who thinks Brexit happened in 2016. We left the EU in January 2020, not because of an advisory opinion poll held in 2016, but because of a personal decision made by Theresa May, without any political or democratic mandate, in 2017 (there is a high court record that confirms this - if the 2016 referendum had been deemed substantive, it would have to have been rejected because of the illegal activity that surrounded it). We also remained in the single market and customs union until February 2021, so Brexit in actuality is only 21 months old. Yes, much of that time has been influenced by covid and the Ukraine war, although the former is now dwindling in influence and the latter would have much less impact if the BrexiTories weren't coddling to the energy companies and the super corporations, a tiny bit of taxation in that direction would solve most of the problem, but it has been demonstrated that Brexit has had a lasting and significant impact on our economy; at least -5% GDP.
This pair is an _interesting_ choice for this interview, because their business in truck sales is less likely to have been impacted; partly because these are large items and therefore less likely to be susceptible to the escalation in red tape that has affected export of smaller items, and also the size of the assets being traded means higher profit for lower volume, which generally dilutes any costs accrued through parts movement. They are also not perishables, which means loss through delay doesn't occur. I doubt that you'd find two fruit, or fish, exporters (if they still exist) who could be so stoic about Brexit's damage to their trade.
Yes! Please reduce this to a punchy message and put it on the side of a bus - then let me know where you're campaigning - so I can sit in a pub garden with a pint and some crisps and have a good laugh as you drive by.
At least one Remainer thinks the UK accrued most of its current £2.5 Trillion national debt in just this 21 months since leaving the EU! ... just shows there are Remainers living in denial too (not just Brexiteers) ... 1980s was a grim time too... But we didn't have to find £70 Billion every year just to pay the interest on the national debt... Look how far we've come in 40 years of EU membership! ... Worth it though... 😭...
Never mind... Kier Starmer and Rachel Reeves have some "fully costed" plans... Oh Lordy!...
Also they are EU companies so don't want to impact on their own profits .
With the utter craziness and political instability I’ve grown up with in America it was always oddly refreshing to look at the UK as a beacon of hope. Now I’m afraid Britain is going to become increasingly Americanized in the coming years. You can already see it happening.
As an expat living in N America I couldn’t agree more.
From this side of the world it’s been like watching a favourite aunt at a party get tipsy, say some regrettable things and, covered in embarrassment, trip and knock a tray of appetizers over herself.
"In the coming years", this has been happening since the 1940's. Some say it's common with all the English speaking countries, but the reality is the hype surrounding the USA, and the lack of basic education both sides of the Atlantic.
@@chrisvalford Good point
In 1973 I was more than glad and in high spirit about the UK joining the EEC witch became later the EU. Beginning with Thatcher I had to realise that the Brits saw and still see the EU only as a cashcow and not as a project for freedom, peace and prosperity in Europe. But I couldn‘t believe that they voted for leave to commit economical suicite. Of cource the EU without the UK also suffers because it is now a smaler market. In my young years I admired the Brits. Now I can only laugh about England or should I say Little England because the brexit-voters ditn’t see that they would destroy Great Britain maybe without Scotland, NI, Wales in the future. Best wishes for the UK from germany and a proud EU-European.
The EU debate, the Referendum and leaving in 2020 has been an expensive distraction the country didn’t need.
NHS, Social Care and Education has all suffered while 4 Governments since 2015 have had to dedicate resources to resolving a problem all of their own making.
Perfectly put
The NHS, Social care and education are being purposefully destroyed to get the public primed to accept privatisation. That's what the right always wanted and always will work towards.
We have basically the same situation in my native Sweden. Neoliberalism destroyed society.
He even looks like gammon. Im a NS fan but this went nowhere for 40mins
If anyone is in any doubt about the negative impact Brexit has had on Britain, one only needs to look at what's happening in Northern Ireland. Despite suffering the same global factors as Britain, it seems that remaining in the EU under the TCA has actually meant NI enjoying a mini boom.
And that's precisely why the Tories want the NI protocol scrapped, because it clearly and incontrovertibly illustrates the difference between EU single market membership and Brexit isolationism.
Brexit will probably lead to Irish unity
Shhh, don't tell the Brexiteers about that, it will curdle their brains
@@tonycook7679 Brains!!! They don't have any!
But then one simply needs look at both Germany and France who both entered recession before the UK and are suffering much more at the hands of the Cost Of Living Crisis. Why look at a tiny little country like Ireland? Look at the US, much bigger problems than the UK, is that down to the US leaving the EU?
My problem with Brexit was always food and fuel. Both of which either come from the EU or travel through it. Also, we were skint and that's before we get to the British peoples current form on choosing politicians. It wasn't rocket science that Britain would be further debilitated by Brexit.
Brexit was the result of an angry ignorant voter who bought the lies because they wanted to believe those lies. What a disaster.
@@martinmcdonald4207 if you think that Brexit result was ever in any doubt, then I would say you're naive. The establishment do not gamble. They can be cowed but that requires a knowing public.
Think you need to replace 'British' with 'English.' This is not a bias opinion on my part, the vast majority live in England so the other nations get what England vote for by unfortunate default.
@@mishymoo34 so your'e trying to tell me that the Welsh, the Scottish and the N Irish are better at choosing politicians and have no impact on parliament? Seriously? Have you seen who's in power in Scotland? The SNP pray for Tory governments.When they had the chance for a second referendum on BOTH EU and UK membership with Corbyn, what did the SNP do when Corbyn called on them and other so called remain parties like the Lib Dems to oust Johnson? They turned their back.When talk turned to action, they, like the rest of the establishment wanted Johnson over Corbyn and a 2nd Scottish referendum. Sturgeon? I think the lady doth protest a little too much.
@@martinmcdonald4207Little Enoch’s. Nigel Mirage has a lot to answer too
The bitchin about the BBC not being supportive of Brexit, the man clearly forgets only 37.5% of the eligible voting public voted Yes to Brexit. The BBC quite rightly might also voice the remaining 62.5% opinion that weren't keen.
The BBC made a pretty poor job of it starting with Jonathon Dimbelby declaring the result 'thats it, We're Out'!
I always hear this stuff about the EU not being 'perfect' - nothing is and no trade agreement is but the EU was actually working for the UK.
A person who cannot admit to being wrong
Hello Eric , a caller to James O’Brien LBC radio Likened a Leaver to a game. ( name forgotten ) = somebody holds up a ten pounds note and says who will give me one pound for. This , immediately someone shouts , me I will, another person offered two pounds , and it goes on up to nine pounds , the first fella says. , I’ll give you ten pounds ? The other fella says here’s eleven pounds and so on ? Why are the both of them so eager to fork out more than something is worth ? , because neither of them wants to give in because that would confirm their stupidity, plus allowing the other person to win wouldn’t help them to maintain their Dignity ? Something not said was Stupid people are reluctant to change their minds because they think it will make them look stupid ,
I wonder how long it will take for Brexit to eat up Starmer if he wins on a make brexit work ticket? The Tories have been trying to make brexit work since 2016 and it's cost them 3 PMs and counting so far.
The EU cannot buckle to the UK or else the EU would have to buckle to Turkey, Norway, America, Egypt etc etc its the UK that has to change
The UK will change
We should just block all trade with the EU. We can finally be a nation living off grid
Breixteers won't be happy until they are the Kingdom of Wessex again
Sounds good to me. Maybe a good old fashioned civil war or two.
The leave brother is in near total denial.
31:54 where is Russian money stored and why do we allow them to influence British politics so much... its a lie that the UK is harsh on Russia when you look at the money side of things
Has this Tory businessman not seen how the pound has plummeted and that Britain is the worst economy of the G7; including the E.U. economies. I say Britain, as the Northern Irish economy is showing all the benefit of remaining in the E.U.
It's astonishing and amusing in equal measure that somebody, who clearly isn't a complete idiot, can state in all honesty, now, in 2022 that Brexit has not been an unmitigated social and economic catastrophe. The only benefit for me is that I have realised how little I previously understood about human psychology and cognitive dissonance. It's extraordinary. Still, the tide has turned and it's flow is irresistible.
Brexiteers wanted a trade agreement with the EU identical to that which we had when we were EU members. That's the crux of the problem. In fact they expected it. They were also told that it would happen - despite remainers correctly pointing out what 3rd country status meant.
One very selfish brother 'l'm alright Jack' Guess which one.
I think there are two things to remember about this brexit,
- firstly that the brexiters promised 'Everything' to 'Everyone', for 'Free' to win people's Votes, from 'Only a Fool would leave the Single Market' (Owen Paterson), to a 'Swiss' or Norwegian Deal (by Nigel Farage) - to a 'Clean Break' (No Deal') Brexit, that the ERG extremists wanted.
And secondly, I'm sure they will never admit it, but if Trump had won re-Election in 2020, then I'm sure that would have given the brexit extremists the green-light they needed to 'No Deal' the EU after all, - with Trump lined up to bail them, and the rest of us, out.
So we would have gone from a lousy deal with the EU, to a stupidly Catastrophic one with Trump.
So however bad things are (outside the Truck Sales Industry), we still missed a Bullet there !
Brexit is the first time that any Country has imposed Punitive Trade Sanctions on itself, and I'm sure that it will now be the last.
Trump would have no chance of giving the UK a trade deal... Congress would have blocked it from both sides if it endanger the GFA
@@TheJackb45 Trump would have encouraged the ERG to 'no deal' by promising the best trade deal in the world,to both damage the EU and make the UK more dependent on his favor.
I think it’s a bit naive to think Trump would act in a way that is overtly pro UK and not ‘America First’. Trump’s stance would most probably be in line with US’s interests which by my reading is returning focus to what’s most beneficial to America, helping out the UK isn’t in the top list.
In the long run the future of the UK will turn towards a closer alignment with the rest of Europe. This is where it is and belongs. Rule Britannia is nothing more than day-dreaming about unicorns. The failure of Brexit will naturally lead to that, whatever agreement that may mean.
The argument of the brexiter brother that his trade is not affected by brexit might be true but only because he relies on imports from the EU which are not checked by the UK but the other way around , exports are hurt a lot. Thus the actions of the UK government are supportive for the EU, with almost no barriers to their export
He's "Allright Jack" so everyone else who isn't can **** off in his opinion.
Is it me or does the brexit brother look like he is standing in front of the headmaster claiming that other boys broke the window, he just found the stones…
"Trade is without friction" gobsmacking ignorance from a businessman.
Why are people even having this debate? The pound is down 19% against the Dollar since 2016 and 11% against the Euro...that is the undisputable reality Brexit is making us a lot poorer as a nation and the basic laws of economics don't suggest that trend is likely to change. Sir Keir will not make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
KS m.o. is to promise what you want to hear, and once esconced in position, totally ignore the promises.
@@michaelwilliams3232 I wish I had your confidence.
There was also tho this pandemic thing and the consequence of quantitative easing since 2008. Also the reluctance of banks to lend since then also. Those are not insignificant factors. Put them all together and you get…well….what we have now.
@@MackerelCat Yes deregulation led to the 2008 crash as well...funny how history has a habit of repeating itself.
There are only advantages to being free to make your own regulations when you can use your economic power to make others accept your regulations. You can see how that's working out already, where's the UKCA mark used today? Fat chance that you will ever be able to control manufacturing standards over the EU or the US.
How can you "move on" when you're being ground down?
Brexit has us down on the ground.
Ask a Brexiteer a straight question and you get a crooked answer. Brexiteers will always be in denial and blame everyone else for `getting in the way`... of their unicorn delusions on how international economics actually work to the benefit of all the people and their human rights.
Brexit delusions are strong in the UK
The only way to get passed the madness of Brexit is to get used to living in Brexit land and all it's 'benefits' !
For anyone with offshore banking assets (like Nigel Farage) and those involved in money laundering it has been HUGELY beneficial. NOT for the great majority of the rest of us.
Can you list the 'benefits' please?
There are no one single benefits ok. Instead people got lay off or people are starving in the street. On top of it all the no more founding from eu and less job in town. People lining up for food bank instead of going to grocery store to buy food. I know a friend who live there he tell me everything in his home town.
An English tory and leave voter talking about Britain and the United Kingdom in his arguments defending Brexit whilst completely overlooking the fact that the Scottish people voted in a majority to remain, is one reason why the 'UK' cannot just 'move on' from Brexit.
One country in the (two if you include NI but who're doing rather well 'cos they're still in the EU sort of) Union has been dragged into something that they don't want against their will.
Tory rule, English nationalism. johnson, truss, gove, rees-mogg et al, the hi-jacking of Westminster, lying all day long, the English public's political illiteracy, right-wing media, Cummings, farridge, Arron banks, dodgy campaign funds, dozens and dozens of no-talents in government, weak and greedy leaders.
Make Brexit Work!?
Why is the story of this country being forced into a timeline that every racist in the country wanted and voted for?
Brexit is wrong!
Do not normalise it or get used to it. Ffs.
We must do everything in our power to correct it no matter how long it takes. We belong in the EU.
The moral of the story is don't vote Labour...especially if you live in Scotland....we will need a strong coalition of SNP, Lib Dems and Greens.
@@Ribod Who cares? Reform will wipe them all out and with a strong leader like Nigel Farage at the helm, Britain can overcome the restrictions of being a constitutional monarchy and will ecome a shining beacon of a modern nationalist, anti-globalist nation, the first to successfully get rid of all non-indigeniuos people!
@@karstentopp Agreed, yes Reform UK will take a considerable slice of both the Tory and Labour vote. Sir Keir thinks he has the Red Wall in the bag with his anti immigration overtones but I suspect the Red Wall will not take him at his word.
No one is undervaluing the referendum votes from Scotland and Northern Ireland - We greatly appreciate if we did not have the Leave votes from those countries then Remain would have won.
Lands don't vote, individuals do & most in the UK voted to Leave.
One brother saying we should move forward and be great, one blaming the fFrench, channel crossings and that nothing has changed! I want things to get better but some people will not even discuss the problems.
Whilst this is a very valiant attempt to reconcile two opposing views, I think that it involved rather a little too much blind eye turning. Perhaps on purpose, facts were avoided. Facts aside, the two camps basically come down to who each of us think is “Us” and who do we think is “Them”. Brexiteers seem to have no problem in seeing the English, Northern Irish, Welsh and the Scots as “Us” but see all those on the other side of the English Channel as “Them”. This is why the UK has always been a reluctant member of the EU. Whilst the “Them” camp are eager to be friends with everyone, there can be no frictionless trade with Europe until they accept “Them (in the EU)” as “Us” and accept that that the British empire is long gone.
Very good for the gent who's business hasn't been affected. Mine however, certainly has. Supply chain has been smashed to pieces for my industry, critical parts we used to be able to get in 2 weeks now take 6 months, and some parts have usable lifespans that begin from time of purchase, not of first use, so storing them isn't an option. Besides that, to have critical spares enough to buffer us from impact would require us to buy more land for spares warehouses, which isn't available, let alone economically viable
Precisely. The jury is not still out regarding brexit's effects on business. The effect has been precisely as anyone with half a brain predicted in 2016.
Dane here. I'm so sorry. I have talked about this for a while. Small businesses suffer the most - not the big ones - especially mom and pop stores.
@@nanorider426 that's the thing though, I'm part of a huge business, but even we're not safe. I mean, were not gonna go under but were still getting screwed in a lot of ways, so its not an existential threat for us, just incredibly expensive and frustrating, and its reset some of our project timelines. It is still the little guys who are gonna get it worst, but my huge company is suffering too
@@benmorris118 I thought as much when you spoke of 'supply chain'. I have worked at Siemens Wind Power in the purchasing department so I know a little bit of that.
I had to stop listening to this. The "Brexit Brother" was talking such consistent drivel it was raising my blood pressure.
Agreed. Debating Brexit is akin to debating creationism with a Christian fundamentalist
This conversation deeply frustrated me. We have empirical evidence for many of things mentioned. For example, the greatest division for Brexit is age followed by level of formal education. Not region, class or ethnicity.
‘I don’t want to be a paid up member of the club anymore, but I do want to have all my freedoms, like my fresh French cake sugar fix without any inconvenience whatsoever and at no extra cost’
😂
What about the car queues in Calais? He will know about this, but chooses not to mention it.
The only Brexit Benefit i have seen so far is that it has destroyed utterly the credibility of the Tory Party.
It was a very high price to pay though to lift the Veil on there incompetence and criminality.
The pro-brexit brother is everything that I think a lot of people currently dislike. There's this arrogant stance on 'the facts' - this moral authoritarianism that the right seem to occupy that feels very condescending and patronising.
He's absolutely vile isn't he.
Distilled smugness
Ian is the one with the brains. Don’t accept the situation, Ian. You know it is very bad for Britain.Vote Lib Dem/Green at the next election. You not only have good brains but a good heart and enormous patience. The world needs more people like you.
Vote Lib Dem so they can enable the tories again like last time,lib dems betrayed the British people and enabled Cameron to implement austerity.
Fkn short memories the British voting public eh.
@@johnmackay3136 Every party had a leader who did something not right. Remember Tony Blair fromLabour? As for the Tories: too numerous to count: Johnson, Truss etc. So, that is not a good measurement. At the moment the important thing is to rejoin and that is what the Lib Dems promise. Or vote Green they were never in power so never made a mistake.
@Tamalia Alisjahbana Honest mistakes can of course be forgiven.
What they did was not an honest mistake!
@@johnmackay3136 All the parties have done things we do not like. So, need to look at their program for the future not the past.
@@tamaliaalisjahbana6849 Do what you like.
I have a long memory and will not forgive or forget.
The Leave businessman is completely unrealistic as to the hit on exports and loss of earnings or freedoms for UK citizens lost
Only 37% of the electorate voted to leave. 63% of the electorate DID NOT vote to leave the EU. That's why it won't go away.
You can't include those who didn't bother to vote, they don't count and they simply don't matter.
But most were too stupid not to vote at all. A good and responsible government would have abolished the result because of the close finish and the low turnout, but they saw their chance and took it without thinking about the effects it would have on the economy, the GFA and the life of people. They only saw a booze party, where they could boast, gloat and insult the remain side. And a bad side effect was the discrimination and racial slurs towards migrant workers and EU citizens living in the UK. A lot of EU governments are publicly hesitant to close a trade deal with the UK after all the insults of UK politicians, but behind closed doors there is a formidable resistance from Eastern European countries to do so. The only crowbar, for a trade deal, that can be used, from both sides, is Ireland. The EU has set this first step already, but the UK government is hesitant/cautious because of the Unionists. It’s going to take a long time, I’m afraid. We on the continent have the time, it’s the question whether the UK also has the time. The excuse of the pandemic and the Ukraine war is wearing out, when the economies on the continent don’t seem to be bothered by it so much. Our recession is mild.
I just hate that my freedom of movement has been stolen from me.
You are not allowed to leave the country?
So you leave the Block and now you blame the Block for the negative effects of Brexit? No more UK in the EU in my lifetime, if I can help it.
Amen to that. Same here.
Maybe you could spare some empathy for us. No idea where you are from but I bet democracy in your country wasn't all plain sailing
@@nealbeard1 It's not only Brexit, it's also the decades of exceptionalism and arrogance in the EU parliament. The UK had a Germany+ deal with opt-outs. It's over, Brexit is Brexit, get over it.
Yes, we have the same kinds of bastards in politics in my country, complaining and blaming everything on the EU. A Brexit benefit is that they finally shut up and Nigel Fartage is no longer in the EU parliament.
And yes, I do have sympathy for the people that voted to remain, but I hated they way they hardly defended the EU.
I grew up in admiration of the English speaking heroes that liberated the Country of my parents from the Nazi's. We were brought up with the deepest respect for them and we absorbed their culture in arts such as music and humor. The English language was and is mandatory in schools and most media are filled with Anglo-Saxon moral. On a personal level I get along with British people very well, but their politics are Toxic.
Thank you.
Yes our politics has recently been a nightmare.
I guess this shows the fragility of democracy.
One brother doesn't care because he personally hasn't suffered and refuses to understand what the UK has lost. By the way, nobody is saying that ALL the loss in trade is due to Brexit so why argue against that assumption when nobody except numbnuts is making it. The loss of freedom of movement would completely reduce the attraction of being a UK citizen to me, but that just doesn't bother the leaver brother.
I guess the UK got ripped off by a couple of smart sales pitches from Farage & Bojo, who have both significantly raised their profiles & personal wealth since their successful Brexit campaign and neither of them will take responsibility for the mess the UK is in...
They still have a loyal following who have quite woken up yet?
The gift just keeps on giving!
All families have a throwback from time to time.
After the North of Ireland and Scotland leaves the "United" part of the Kingdom, maybe the Kingdom of England can survive then.
What have you done to poor old Wales?
@@TheJackb45 😄 Sorry , I do know there is a large Organisation in Wales looking for Independence also.
I have listened to some of their Podcasts.
Celtic coalition coming to the EU soon.
@@georgebrowne5935 only joking.... we all know the Welsh are only Englishmen with funny accents.
@@TheJackb45
In Welsh Speaking Wales and the M4 corridor, Wales voted Remain.
There was a lot of post industrial desparation in the Valleys and North East that led to peopke voting against what they saw as the "establishment"
What tipped the balance was the 20% of our population who identify as English, most of whom are older people downsizing, or retired. Literally migrants opposing migration.
The pro Brexit areas are the areas that are Devolution sceptical. "for Wales see England"
The fact that the world hasn't ended is literally the lowest bar you could set. We do need to keep the pressure up, though not to rejoin now but in 15 or so years. At present, those over 65 are on balance still in favour of leave, below 65 the balance is brexit was a mistake. In 15 years, those over 65s will be 80+ or not present!
If you want to improve trade with EU rejoin the single market. You cannot be better off out of EU than those who are still in the EU
If you look at poverty in UK you can see how well it’s all gone
You cannot re-join the Single Market alone. You must accept all four freedoms. That means effectively re-joining but with absolutely no power in the EU.
Nigel reads Daily Express. Prove me wrong 😅😅
Dailymail also.
@@jonathanbowen3640 forgot that flush it news! In my country, we were buying the "red right" news. Not coz it was good, but coz it was the thickest newspapers. Best toilet paper...
The Daily DE-press
for an MD that guy is spouting such a stream of gibberish and is so clearly in denial. It's pathetic. Of course, they don't notice as much as assumed because there are tons of temporary moratoriums in place. The UK is still not trading properly on WTO terms (if they were he'd REALLY know about it). There ARE tariff and massive bureaucracy issues that his outfit are dealing with which he simply keeps totally quiet about. The Kent inspection facility STILL isn’t working and HAS to. Getting out means border checks. Getting out and WTO means mandatory tariffs all over the place that are all not being implemented properly yet until it has all been arranged. And he'd an MD, it's a joke. It is universally CLEAR that there is not ONE benefit or any future benefit to be seen, at all. The guy is in massive denial, as anyone is when so badly cornered by facts.
I won't rest until the UK rejoins the EU. There's no halfway house that makes sense.
Absolutely agreed - its a matter of basic human nature at all levels from individual to multi-conutry-states, that isolation breeds fear and mistrust andmisunderstanding, while a collective community has potential to build strength and security. PS bought my ZX spectrum in 1982 and had endless hours of learning and fun with it back in the day!
@@hightt2449 I had a Commodore 64, but you are totally right, the first thing I did was call my guy friends downstairs to come and help me. It didn't matter that they used Spectrums and were slightly younger or that they were boys and I'm a girl, we were now all computer users and computer lovers. So much fun learning and playing together, but we were able to see past our differences to help create a stronger computer using community. First they had to agree though that my 64 was the best.. 🤣
20+ years of insomnia... good luck
How do you 'move on' from self inflicted catastrophe, its one thing your house burning down due to an unfortunate accident, but arson is a completely different matter, the world and his insurance company wife will show little sympathy for the adults who were playing with matches.
Everyone in the EU as moved on, couz everyone realized that the UK has nothing to offer.
Whilst it is true that there are supply side issues and component shortages, these are both things which affect both Europe and the UK. We can therefore see the impact of brexit through the delta in the recovery... so brexit brothers claim that it is disingenuous is in itself disingenuous.
I like one of these gentlemen.
I can't understand , you voted Brexit, democratically so you wan , UK is out of EU, EU can as democratically make their own decision and cooperate with the country the want.
You are out , please stay out.
Don't know what country you are from but thanks for total lack of empathy. There was nothing democratic about it. Democracy relies on rules and truth. The vast majority of the UK are pro European
@@nealbeard1 So why the leave vote wan ?may be now the majority is pro EU as you see the disaster of Brexit, WE in EU are waiting for an indipendent Scotland to join us.
can't be bothered to argue. How does Scotland splitting and joining EU help. You are simply propagating dumb Nationalism.
The west and democracy are under threat so your views should make some effort at helping western countries come together.
OK the UK fucked up.
@@nealbeard1 I am not propagating nationalism , Scotland belong to European family, I remember when Scotland had the independence referendum the main argument from English people was if they voted for independence they would have been out of EU, believe me we are waiting the Scots with open arm.
Considering that the opinion polls are reporting that the U.K. population consider brexit as a mistake what does the The Statesman think?
What are the best of British values? Asking for a friend...
Today? I'd say education, entrepreneurship and innovation.
Blame poor people and immigrants for everything wrong in the country.
Tolerance and patience for xenophobic bigots
An ‘Argument’ of Baxters made me laugh! Good brothers and a good meeting of differing minds.
Being 'outside' is bound to be 'difficult' - it's the whole raison d'etre of the EU - to smooth trade
Where we are is that the nation *is* still divided. I am one of many who will never be reconciled, because regardless of that particular business, independent reports and forecasts confirm the amount of damage Brexit is doing to the economy every single year.
Yes, Brexit guy blames Remainers for not getting on board. That's at his door: his Brexit caused the division: he has to deal with it.
Brexit guy blames the EU and Macron. That's sovereignty: if he thinks the EU is awkward, he'll have to deal with it's his Brexit.
There is a net outflow of companies. There is a net drop in investment.
The EU are free to legislate in their own interests, which is exactly what they should do.
Expecting everyone to benefit Brexit UK is a pipedream. Everybody acts in their own perception of their own interests. Of course they do. Deal with it
Could have picked someone with a business that has moved all or part of it's operation into the EU. The message here is that there is no trade friction but it's just more complicated ??
Undoing brexit is like unscrambling an egg
sorry Ian....your brother's got a massive gammony head on him......:)
One still in denial one stating facts.
Maddening to hear people defending Brexit after all that has happened.
So Osbourne exaggerated the downsides. But he didn't exaggerate much. Doesn't take anything away from the fact that the vast and overwhelming bulk of the lies were from the Brexit camp.
So we've had Covid and Putin's war. Very convenient smokescreens for the Brexit downsides. But we've still got multiple Brexit downsides. Loads of downsides and all there for people to see if they choose to look.
Biggest indication of reality - If Brexit had been even a mild success then the right wing media would be shouting about it. As it is they stay quiet or make excuses. Or fib some more.
Logic and evidence show us that Brexit has been a disaster for the UK. The only way we'll move on is to accept the fact and take actions to fix the situation - we really do need closer ties to our nearest neighbours. (And a half decent UK leadership would be nice!).
Why is Labour in denial of political reality?
Pandering to the "Red wall" that voted Tory.
You cannot reconsile truth with untruth. But good luck trying.
Oh my Im 12 mins in and not sure I can handle much more arrogance from the brexit guy. My passport no longer allows me freedom of movement in Europe, I spent 10 years designing a career that would allow me to work remotely, and now I can only spend 90 days in 180 in the entire schengen zone which is pretty much every country close to the UK...
It isn't a back story.