To Josh saying he thinks if she left she would’ve taken her stuff…. She did. She took her purse, her burner phone, the $2500 in cash she got from those bonds, and she took both her Phoenix Coldon and Phoenix Reeves birth certificates. This girl left. I don’t blame her.
It is so frustrating to think of how many missing teens and young adults could've been saved if the police hadn't written them off as "a runaway" or didn't care because the person was over 18 and "can do what they want"
A runaway is still a young person at risk and that alone should be enough to search as soon as possible. If she doesn't want to come home at least they know she is alive.
or let’s be the generation that teaches OUR kids not to be runaways or run off and start new lives, wasting millions of resources. this happens WAY more than you think. then, when people go missing maybe the world will actually take it seriously.
If I was living in a controlled environment in my late twenties, then to one day find out my dad isn’t my dad, and they have been lying to me my whole life...that video she made really makes sense, and why she felt like she couldn’t trust anyone. I truly hope from the bottom of my heart she is out there somewhere living her life exactly how SHE wants to. 🖤
I have a very similar life story. I left home after that. Luckily I love my dad even if he isn't genetically related. I still don't talk or see my mother.
Kendall’s theory is very possible, I knew a girl that moved states right when she turned 18, didn’t tell her family she was leaving or where she was going. I had mad respect for her bravery, my anxiety will never allow me to do something that drastic.
I feel you in the anxiety department. I want to pick up and move, I have three boys to care for, but a huge reason to get out of here - im just too anxious
I get why parents shelter their kids, but it doesn't even help them, she had a whole secret life because she wasn't even comfortable to be herself with her own family, she probably was in danger and couldn't even come to her parents for help.
That’s such a valid point. Have to keep open communication with your children and she was grown. My oldest is 19 and I want her to come to me with anything with No Judgment Ever🙏❤️
@@elenajohnson6336 but she couldn't with her friend Kiara either? Threaten her own friend with a knife? Yo tbh sound like a mental breakdown and getting caught up with the wrong crowd
I think it’s worse, for people of color? You have to be be careful in life, each day you leave so her parents were likely worried, if she was caught up with the ‘wrong crowed’ how she could easily be blamed just because of her skin
I'm 43 and my daughter introduced me to this pod about 2 yrs ago. All 3 of cast are amazing. Kendals body positivity has made such a great impact on my daughter. Also her relationship with Josh is very inspiring & shows what a healthy loving couple truely are capable of. Janelles talent and charm adds a fantastic view on what a close family bond can bring to the table. Your pod is so amazing. Not only do you provide top notch content that helps so many in so many ways. However the Mile Higher team shows what a modern loving family bond is all about. Peace & love to all 3 of you. I'm grateful for u inspiring my daughter & myself each epsisode, cant thank you enough
As sad as it would be for her parents’ sake, I really hope that she just left and started a new life. That ending is just so much more positive than the others :/
When she references “cops” in that video, that “she might as well ride in the back with all these cops” I feel like she’s referring to how her parents act like police officers, control her every move and law down the law if she messes up. Just a thought.
I thought this as well. They "police" her every move. Sounds like someone other than her parents were controlling her and she was saying she may as well be with them thers no difference
I understand her parents believe there was foul play involved, but they are so closed off to the idea that she left on her own. They couldn't see how their parenting style could have pushed Phoenix to her breaking point and keep justifying their actions. I hope that she is still alive and isn't in danger.
No matter how suffocated she felt, I truly belive she loved her parents and she would not just walk away like that and successful disappear off the face of the earth.
yeah they will never admit to themselves or anyone else that, if she really did just disappear on purpose of her own accord, their parenting style likely played a massive role in her decision.
I think her parents have created an image and narrative that they refuse to deviate from , Im sure they love her but it must’ve been so difficult for her has anyone tracked down her biological father?
Wow. A 23 year old adult and your parent is still snooping through your stuff to see if you're hiding anything. It's too much, this behavior would have pushed me at that age directly in the path of dangerous people. I'm praying she is safe and healthy where ever she is.
i agree. i think she was controlled so much by her parents...she decided to run away with people who she thinks are good people or those who are the “bad boys”. almost every girl goes through the faze of liking the “bad boy” and i think she had that and it was the wrong boy
I love my parents, but I’m 24 and still have to hide my stuff because they go through my things. It really does drive you to be reckless. You feel trapped and suffocated. Note; I’m in college and getting ready to get married. That’s why I’m still with them.
Her mother sounds like a nightmare. As someone who grew up with a very strict mother I left home when I was 17 and didn’t speak to her or come around for 2 years after that. I totally get it.
I think the mom wanted to live vicariously through her daughter. The mom felt like she "messed up" by having a baby out of wedlock so she could no longer be a "perfect Christian" woman - so she wanted Phoenix to be that.
the parents failed her big time. extremely controlling parents create secretive people. if they weren't so unreasonably controlling and didn't infringe on her privacy so much, she would have been more open with them, which would have given them more information about her life - who she hung out with, what may have happened, where to even start.
Exactly! I knew a girl who was more sheltered than the girl in this case, and she got pregnant her freshman year of college. (Parents only allowed her to go to the Christian college 15 min from out town) Her parents never talked to her about sex. EVER. This was before you could search on phones. She was forbid to even say the word sex, to anyone. Her parents always told her "we can talk about it on your wedding day". I heard a few people tried to talk to her about it, and she put her fingers in her ears and wouldn't listen. It was WILD how controlling her parents were. I often wonder how she's doing, mentally.
We don't have the right to criticize anyone's parenting when all they care is to protect your kids from harm. I'm sure they had their reasons to do so. I completely understand your point of view, I just don't think saying "The parents failed her" is fair or accurate at all.
I agree with you. I was raised with extremely controlling parents and there were a bunch of mistakes I made that could’ve been avoided if I felt like I could talk to my parents and they could advise me instead of punish me right away.
@@ENIAWOOD I think there's a line between love/care and abuse. If her parents were that controlling to the point of vetting who she could even talk to, then that's a form of abuse. Whether they intended it to be or not is another question, but would would you be saying the same about passing no judgement if it was your partner? It wouldn't be acceptable, just the same as it's not acceptable for a parent to control their grown child's life this much. Just my point of view
Sorry but being that strict isn’t healthy for anyone, I grew up in a strict Christian family. My dad was a pastor and my mom homeschooled us. I rebelled more than any kid I know, and it gave me a lot of trauma. When you go from not being able to do anything, to doing whatever you want, you have no idea how dangerous it is
I was like her. I just up and left. Didn't even tell my parents where I was until I was engaged and getting married. Maybe she is still alive and just doesn't want her parents in her life. I moved out of my parents house into my boyfriend's parents house overnight and 3hrs away. They had no clue where I was for 4-5yrs. I am now married to the guy I moved in with. My parents were trying to control my life and I was 18 and didn't want them controlling me. But I do think she's alive.
@@sodamnsexy16 yes. But I called the police and told them I was fine and I didn't want them to know where I was. They didn't know where I was for like 4-5yrs. The cops had to make sure that I was safe so they asked me for the address of where I was and they sent the officers that was in the town that I was living in over to the house I was staying at just to confirm I was all right. But I moved to a smaller town where everybody knew everybody so when the officers heard of where I was staying they didn't come to the house they called the people I was staying with to make sure I was okay but the people I was actually staying with was my now in-laws.
As someone who grew up in this area I don’t think you guys understand how dangerous this area is. Seriously East St Louis is usually the #1 in murders if not in the top 5 and it’s a very small unpopulated town, 26,543 people and 14 square miles and the homicide rate is 96 murders per 100,000 people. The national rate is 5. FIVE murders per 100,000 nationally. So the odds are not good. You don’t go to ESTL unless you’re up to no good. I doubt she left her parents and ran away to a place where 2/3’s of the people live in poverty when she lived in a very affluent area.
One day Josh should talk more in depth about his experience with his parents . He’s mentioned little parts here and there once in a while and I’m really intrigued
He isn’t obligated to share his private life, imo he’s shared enough details to explain what he dealt with. I admire his ability to be so matter of fact with cases and not just rely on emotions like Kendall does.
@@MisterRawgers I admire both of their styles. they compliment each other. plus kendall has a channel where she is very matter of fact about cases, so she's definitely capable of that. you don't have to put kendall down to put josh up, they wouldn't even like that..
@@MisterRawgers you’re right , he’s not obligated. I never intended to make him feel forced to. I’m stating that I’m nosy and intrigued but I’m not being demanding. I agree that in the podcast Kendall is not as matter of fact or serious but that’s why they both work together. I can see that that’s why they’re a married couple. They compliment each other and each has something the other lacks. Making the podcast a nice balance that many different people can relate to when it comes to their commentary. It just works. They’re both two great people with strengths and weaknesses like the rest of us and that’s why I enjoy this podcast and will forever be intrigued by their lives and their stories. Because they’re interesting people to me. That’s all.
Even when the mother is publicly speaking at 17:02 she says "now listen carefully now" you can just get a sense of how controlling she is. She's even speaking to the audience like they're incompetent children.
right!!! I can't even imagine the heat Phoenix would catch in the privacy of their house if/when (bc nobody is perfect) she did something her mom didn't approve of.
I completely agree. I'm just going to say this - the mom is horrible! I can't even imagine the way she acted behind closed doors. I've always had to deal with a controlling & manipulative mom, it's exhausting and depletes you of any self-worth. ✌️
I grew up in the STL area, and I knew a girl that started working with a group of "pimps" right out of high school. She was constantly posting things on her social media about staying in fancy hotels in the city, driving nice cars, and doing drugs. She also frequently went on trips out of town. Come to find out she was starring in adult films with these men, and got out of it not long ago and has implied that it was a desperate point in her life where she was getting manipulated and abused. This case reminds me so much of that girl and stories I've heard from other women in STL. The area in which Phoenix's car was found is near strip clubs, brothels, sketchy motels, and well-known drug dens. It honestly would not surprise me one bit if Phoenix got tangled up in something similar to this and is still out there today avoiding her parents. Something else to consider is that if she were murdered, there are many abandoned buildings in STL and the Mississippi River runs along the city, where bodies go unnoticed for quite some time before being found. Of course, there is the possibility of this being a case of sex trafficking due to her car being found near I-70 (good to note that this particular part of the interstate does not have a whole lot of heavily populated or well-lit exits, most exits between the Illinois and Missouri state lines consist of abandoned buildings, the landfill, and fields/woods/bodies of water). All in all, this is such an eerie case, and it's bizarre to listen to details of a case that is so close to home. I really hope and have a feeling that Phoenix is still alive and out there somewhere living a new life (hopefully a safe one). Thank you Kendall and Josh for handling this in such a respectful way and looking at all possibilities.
She might’ve just dumped the car there because of those things. She’s a smart woman and that would definitely help confuse things if she wanted to disappear.
I am stuck between 2 theories. 1. Being trafficked- I could see someone she was secretly seeing grooming her n then took his opportunity n snatched her. But then there's the 2nd theory that I can see equally as well n that is her leaving of her own accord. She was so resentful of how she was being raised that she very well could have just left to start over. I will definitely keep up on this case n hopefully Phoenix is found safe n sound somewhere living the life she wanted vs the life her parents wanted for her. Very very sad!!
It could be mix of those 2 theories: she wanted to leave, and found people who "helped" her with evil intentions ( so her escape ended up in human trafficking)
From a parents point of view I can see how they’re trying to keep their child from making the same mistakes that they themselves have made, but there’s a way to do that without being completely controlling. I’m sure they feel so guilty and desperate and all the horrible feelings we can imagine.
That’s true, but at some point you just have to let your kids make mistakes, even if their the same ones you’ve made, we’re human, we have flaws and I’ve learned being more controlling causes more rebellion
As a mom of a 13 y old I disagree, kids needs tools but freedom to learn by themselves, we only learn from our own mistakes and don’t even her leaving the house...
Yeah, I agree! Kids need to learn from their mistakes, (and it seems her parents were way way too controlling) but there are some mistakes which will ruin your life forever (drunk driving, doing hard drugs, etc) that one doesn't want one's child to learn about from experience.
@@advena996 those mistakes don’t ruin your life forever. They may take your life on a serious detour but as long as you get back on the right path and do your best you can still do good things in life. I think a lot of parents are controlling out of fear that mistakes can ruin their child’s life but as long as someone is still breathing they have an opportunity to come back from a mistake and do better. You just gotta roll with the punches and keep on keeping on.
@@Misscutieful1 I absolutely agree that no matter what life stage or situation people are in, they always have the chance to do good! However, one can make "fatal mistakes". Looking at the statistics as I recall, sadly the average life expectancy of someone once they start doing meth is 10 years or so. Driving intoxicated can lead to one's own death, or life imprisonment if you accidentally kill someone else. Those outcomes, IMO count as "ruining your life". In my opinion, parents have a duty to protect their children from making mistakes that could be fatal for them, just as they have a duty to try to keep them from catching terrible diseases, dying in accidents, etc.
Phoenix' comment comment about riding in the back of the cop car definitely means that most people in her life are trying to police her. They're controlling her every move and she feels like there's no point of fighting back against their force. She's tired of being told how to live her life in all aspects. It was foreshadowing for her ultimate rebellion of removing herself from their control. She definitely fled from the immense pressure.
Bingo! Secret boyfriend! That’s the first thing that popped into my mind when you guys mentioned that she went to her car to talk on the phone. She probably made plans to run off with him.
@@kylesherwood2224 Yeah I'm pretty sure they said the boyfriend "cell phone Mike" was questioned and cleared, though it hasn't been revealed what was found that cleared him.
I remember when I was 17 and went on my first date, my dad was at the door waiting for the boy to pick me up. We told my dad we were going bowling and we’re gonna be there for a few hours. An hour into our date my dad walks in claiming he wanted to make sure we were actually going to be here. He also wouldn’t let me go on birth control when my cramps literally caused me to pass out because he thought I’d use it as an excuse to have sex. My dad controlled almost everything in my life. He now gets one phone call a week. No more. No less. I haven’t seen him physically since 2015. And I don’t plan to ever again. So I could absolutely see Phoenix dropping everything and running away. I do hope she’s out there and safe.
I’ve grown up in STL my entire life and have never once heard of this case. I think that goes to show just how little coverage this case has gotten. My thoughts and prayers are with her family. I can’t help but think that this case has a connection to sex trafficking and I70. From I70 you can be in different states in no time. You can be in Kansas City, Kansas in about only 5 or 6 hours from STL. I’m still in shock that I’ve lived here my whole life and never heard of this case. I hope this episode brings light and new awareness to the case.
Yea he is super sketchy and such a odd ass statement to make. No one said anything about her being dead and he brings it up so casually in an argument/conversation 🤮 so gross
I believe that the friend actually saw her on that plane. That makes a lot of sense in this story. It makes sense that she would turn when her name is called and then say "oh do I look like someone?" thats pretty suspish.
I cracked up when you said you think of parent trap when you hear about fencing cause I alwaaaays do literally the same anytime I hear about fencing , parent trap 😂😂😂
Children who have controlling parents will distance themselves from their parents when they are older. The people who disappear to start anew without hesitation is just making it quicker. I should know, I’m one of them
I was just about to exit UA-cam because I ran out of videos to watch from my fav content creators then I saw a notification from Mile Higher and I’ve never clicked anything so fast. 😭 Thanks guys!!!
i really hope this girl is out there living her life. it’s a terrible feeling when you feel like no one around you understands what you’re feeling, she’s right we ARE the only ones who will always have our own backs. she’s so beautiful and deserves an amazing and free living life❤️
I am so glad you guys are covering this case! I have requested some other channels to look into this case but none of them have. It's such a sad story that was 100% avoidable!
Finding out her Mom was a hypocrite must have been hard. If her Mom told her for years that pregnancy outside marriage was the worst thing ever, how would that impact Phoenix's self esteem when she found out how she was born?
Why was she hypocrite? We don't know if she trusted the wrong people, got pregnant during an assault and was embarrassed of her past, therefore she kept that hidden and did everything she could to protect her daughter. She was over protective that we know, I just don't think that make her a hypocrite.
Josh’s salesman voice gets me every time 😂 Props for covering this case, the parenting in this one always reminded me of Jennifer Pan’s case, unfortunately it just never leads to anything great. 🤯
I just looked up that Pan case and wow! 😲 it’s wild what the human mind can do to get away from a restricted home environment. Pan is crazy for hiring hitmen to kill her family!
I think phoenix ran away. She planned her escape months ahead, probably when she was asked to come back home since she knew her parents were going to continue to treat her like a child. The day of her disappearance she got the call that her escape was ready so she left in a hurry how her parents explained, she obviously staged and ditched the car as to not be found and she ran away, probably very far and changed her name so her parents couldn't find her. I came up with this because I had strict parents and couldn't wait to get away from them cause I knew they were gonna continue to treat me like a child and have thought about running away, moving away at 18 and all the above. So this makes perfect sense in my mind
As weird as it may sound, I fall asleep every night to these podcasts even Kendall’s videos and lights out, I don’t know why but both of your guys voices are just so relaxing and all I know is (if) you guys ever have a child they will have the best sleeps ever falling asleep to you two telling them stories
Her mother sounds more angry that she has lost control over her daughter than she is about her missing..she is blaming cops but it makes more sense that Phoenix left to find freedom...
This story is blowing my mind bc I actually experienced this same situation! I found out at 18 that I was conceived out of wedlock...after my mother had stressed the importance of waiting until marriage. She had even stated MANY times that she waited. I also discovered that she didn't graduate from high school, which she also stressed the importance of. She even went as far as to say that my father had tried to stop her from graduating but that she had taken night classes just to get her diploma. Once I confronted her about everything, she cried and admitted to it all. She got her H.S. diploma in 1998, and she is STILL in college! 🤦🏽♀️
I love Kendall and Josh's dynamic so much, I love that they do this together. It's so important to sit together and catch up on life together as well and the way they respectfully communicate on controversial topics and can disagree without disrespect shows that that carries into their own problems that may arise. Very mature and healthy.
Sounds like Phoenix had a boyfriend and they had a fight. (The fact she was on the phone in the car and then "left with conviction" without saying anything).
I feel so badly about this case. I just wonder if she did run away because of her family situation? I really hope she's still alive somewhere (not in human trafficking or held captive) and she's living her life. I have had very controlling parents growing up and she might have just wanted to get away from it somehow.
i think she never got the “bad boy” phase most girls go through in middle/high school. those boys aren’t really bad. but she is 25 at this point. so her “bad boy” phase is actual bad men. they convinced her to leave her parents and run away together then, BOOM..sex traffic or not alive anymore. hope she is alive and okay :(
It shouldn't matter how old someone's child is. If the parents think something is wrong and they think they're missing then something needs to be done right then. So sad about this and it's very close to my hometown. So awful. Prayers!
when you said maybe she got pregnant, that really struck me. I bet her and her boyfriend got pregnant, the long call was her telling him or trying to tell him and he maybe didn't want to keep it but i'm sure she would have because she was so religious. she definitely wouldn't have told her mom and maybe just wanted to leave without a trace and start over and be with the only people who wouldn't let her down: herself and her KID. so interesting
I know this is old news now, but when the previous intro came on it made me feel like, "Mile Higher, FUCK YEAHHH!". This intro makes me feel like, "Ayyy Mile Higher in the house!" - both are good lol
Kendall and Josh and the Mile Higher Family ALWAYS give true cases the respect and honor that they deserve. Absolutely the best people with the best intentions and hearts! Love and positive vibes to you All! Thanks for another wonderful post❤️🙌
Everytime I come back to this case I really feel for her. I'm an only child and my mom was strict too so I know how it feels to feel like u have to be secretive or cant talk to your parent about something cause of the reaction you'll get. Like being strict on kids makes them secretive as fuck. I wish she felt like she could share more with her mom.
I'm not sure why but I have this strange feeling that the parents know something or did something, like maybe phoenix threatened to go try to find her birth father and maybe the mother couldn't handle that thought. Or maybe the mother found out about the double life before she said she did, and got too upset.
I don't think they hurt her. BUT I wouldn't put it past them that if she did just leave on her own and they knew that they'd lie to the police to manipulate the situation and get her back. My father is nuts and it's absolutely something he would do. I remember when I was a kid we'd gone out for the day with my Aunt, he knew where we were but he was upset that we (my Mom and I) weren't home when he called home from work and wanted to talk so he caused this whole scene calling people telling them we were missing just to gaslight my Mom and I into not going anywhere again (This was before cellphones but he knew we were going out for the day)
Did they say he wasn't her real father? I know she had two birth certificates but I didn't hear or must've missed where they said he wasn't her father.
I'm not sure if you intended it or not but I always catch myself staring at the point between the triangle from the mile higher sign and the pyramid salt lamp 😂 they line up so perfectly. I love you Kendall Josh and Janelle 💕✨
@@screamqueen1946 yes, I think she ran away. Used her original name for a short time (which is why such short history under that name) until she changed her name completely. She may have even told her neighbor friend she was being followed as kind of a red herring...?
i think its important for parents to let their kids learn from and explore relationships when they are young and the stakes are low. if they have no experience and suddenly become adults i feel like the stakes are so much higher.
It scares me as a mother if something ever happens to my child, nobody would do anything about it. My heart breaks for all the families who have to go through this.
As often as the police tell families that a person has the right to leave, I am just wandering how often that is truly the case. Most of the cases I have seen that has not been what ended up happening. So much needs to change in the way they handle these situations. And you are right Kendall, we should all be scared knowing that this is what could be told to our family.
I had my first child very young and wasn't married to his father. Got married when he was 1 year old but I felt like it was best to be open and honest about my mistakes as a young person so my kids could learn from them hopefully! I'm so sad if finding out her parents hid so much from her was the final thing that caused her to vanish into thin air. Although I actually do hope that's what happened, and she's out living a happy uncontrolled life now.
I think the reason the parents didn’t “think anything of her storming off and leaving in her car” was because she got into a fight with them too before she left. Maybe she decided to cut all ties and leave, she probably just snapped and wanted space from her parents, maybe never intending to come back
I’ve said it a 1000 times, I’m someone who enters missing people/runaway juveniles every day and night. Not all agencies are like this. That first officer should have definitely taken the initial report. She would have been entered nationwide. And you 100 percent can enter a vehicle associated with a missing person. So what happens is when the officer runs a plate you will get a return that will say it’s a missing persons vehicle and it will say who is the missing person. And in the city I work in if an officer finds an abandoned vehicle from a different city and is left in a “weird” way that officer will have us call that cities agency to send an officer to the registered owners address. They will attempt to contact the owner and see if the vehicle is an unreported stolen vehicle or who should be in possession of the vehicle. Bottom line is I hate lazy officers and detectives. Don’t ever let an officer say you have to wait for 24 hours, don’t ever let an officer talk you out of a missing persons report. If that happens then you call back in and request the on duty watch commander/supervisor.
Growing up in a strict household myself, I know she was so skilled at hiding things because her parents were so controlling. If they were less strict, she probably would've trusted them more, and maybe they would have a better idea of what happened to her ☹️
I love how Josh and Kendall explain different lifestyles and provide negative and positive perspectives without condemning people. I love this u be channel. Thanks xxx
This just very much reminded me of the statement about how very strict parents create very sneaky kids and it’s very unfortunate because the parents obviously care about their kids but at some point you have to let them be their own person
I don't have kids but was a Sunday School teacher/Youth Leader for over 16 years. Parents who approach their kids with love and understanding usually succeed rather than those who approach their kids through fear and intimidation. The latter way either produces naive kids who are easily swayed or rebellious kids who try to indulge in everything they were protected from.
I think she was talking to Mike about her plan to leave and start over and he helped her. That is why the cops were able to rule Mike out, he probably let them know what was going on and they verified his story. Maybe the cops met up w Phoenix and she told them about what her life was like with her parents. I hope she’s still alive and well just living life somewhere in a mountain community, away from people and just living life peacefully!
My favorite UA-camrs of all time ❤❤❤ I ABSOLUTELY love that you use your platforms to shed light on these cases that deserve justice. Thank you for having the huge, empathetic hearts and strong voices you do!!
Thank you for realizing that not all homeschoolers are the same! I’ve raised my son with a ton of freedom and tried not to shelter him too much, especially since he became a teenager.
Been looking out for an episode all day. Finally here. Hope you guys are doing well. Thank you for keeping us a mile higher. Interesting topics every single time. 💚💚
Yessss I have been waiting for you guys to talk about this case! I had watched the oxygen “doc” and felt incredibly frustrated by it. Thank you guys for talking about this!!
I gotta say I take immense pride in seeing y’all post just ~29 minutes ago and already having 3.2k views 🤘🏽🌄 Edit: that shirt is *too* dope. Omg and that cup!
My mom is in her late 70’s and that waiting ‘48 hrs to report someone missing’ came up recently and she was stunned when I told her that it wasn’t true. The thought of how many people believe that and may waste that precious time is frightening.
It's definitely not easy to have a person disappear from your life and know that if they did this intentionally, they're trying really hard not to be found... I often wonder how a person who does that feels when they see people desperately looking for them... but at the end of the day, if she decided to walk away from her life, I hope she's safe and alright, because making a decision like this was definitely not easy - no matter what pushed her to do this
I really appreciate you guys i have known a lot of trauma and i wish i had someone to have asked the questions and cared as much as you guys do. You guys are truly a blessing for the families and the heart you put into it shows bless yall
I feel like I’ve heard this one but so excited to hear your guys’ take! Just what I needed, feeling so sick as I’m entering my second trimester ❤️ also Kendall, your hair looks awesome!
To Josh saying he thinks if she left she would’ve taken her stuff…. She did. She took her purse, her burner phone, the $2500 in cash she got from those bonds, and she took both her Phoenix Coldon and Phoenix Reeves birth certificates. This girl left. I don’t blame her.
It is so frustrating to think of how many missing teens and young adults could've been saved if the police hadn't written them off as "a runaway" or didn't care because the person was over 18 and "can do what they want"
A runaway is still a young person at risk and that alone should be enough to search as soon as possible. If she doesn't want to come home at least they know she is alive.
Right
or let’s be the generation that teaches OUR kids not to be runaways or run off and start new lives, wasting millions of resources. this happens WAY more than you think. then, when people go missing maybe the world will actually take it seriously.
I know, so sad!!!!!!
Should not automatically assume it as they ran off ,adults go missing all the time better safe than sorry
If I was living in a controlled environment in my late twenties, then to one day find out my dad isn’t my dad, and they have been lying to me my whole life...that video she made really makes sense, and why she felt like she couldn’t trust anyone. I truly hope from the bottom of my heart she is out there somewhere living her life exactly how SHE wants to. 🖤
I have a very similar life story. I left home after that. Luckily I love my dad even if he isn't genetically related. I still don't talk or see my mother.
same here
my dad is dead along with my mom and my bio “dad” is apparently an addict several states away
@@haileygrey5047 i'm sorry to hear that xx
@@justme240 what exactly am I looking for when I google that?
Kendall’s theory is very possible, I knew a girl that moved states right when she turned 18, didn’t tell her family she was leaving or where she was going. I had mad respect for her bravery, my anxiety will never allow me to do something that drastic.
I hope you are okay. If not please seek help. You deserve to be happy and treated well
I feel you in the anxiety department. I want to pick up and move, I have three boys to care for, but a huge reason to get out of here - im just too anxious
I moved out of that of my hometown all in my own at 18 to Texas best decision I ever made.
I get why parents shelter their kids, but it doesn't even help them, she had a whole secret life because she wasn't even comfortable to be herself with her own family, she probably was in danger and couldn't even come to her parents for help.
That’s such a valid point. Have to keep open communication with your children and she was grown. My oldest is 19 and I want her to come to me with anything with No Judgment Ever🙏❤️
To me it seems her parents were controlling rather than protective. Poor Phoenix, I can’t imagine feeling unable to confide in your own mum and dad 😔
She got caught up in that rap music lifestyle and wrong crowd
@@elenajohnson6336 but she couldn't with her friend Kiara either? Threaten her own friend with a knife? Yo tbh sound like a mental breakdown and getting caught up with the wrong crowd
I think it’s worse, for people of color? You have to be be careful in life, each day you leave so her parents were likely worried, if she was caught up with the ‘wrong crowed’ how she could easily be blamed just because of her skin
I'm 43 and my daughter introduced me to this pod about 2 yrs ago. All 3 of cast are amazing. Kendals body positivity has made such a great impact on my daughter. Also her relationship with Josh is very inspiring & shows what a healthy loving couple truely are capable of. Janelles talent and charm adds a fantastic view on what a close family bond can bring to the table. Your pod is so amazing. Not only do you provide top notch content that helps so many in so many ways. However the Mile Higher team shows what a modern loving family bond is all about. Peace & love to all 3 of you. I'm grateful for u inspiring my daughter & myself each epsisode, cant thank you enough
Wholesome💕
This is so sweet 🥺
i just have to ask, do you think they're in a throuple? lol
@@shuri.ken6 Kendall and Janelle are cousins. So no, I don’t think they’re a throuple. Lol
@@maryelizabeth1229 plus Janelle has a bf so it would be a... Quaruple?
As sad as it would be for her parents’ sake, I really hope that she just left and started a new life. That ending is just so much more positive than the others :/
Same here. I hope and pray she’s not being mind controlled by someone else and just left on her own accord
When she references “cops” in that video, that “she might as well ride in the back with all these cops” I feel like she’s referring to how her parents act like police officers, control her every move and law down the law if she messes up. Just a thought.
That is exactly what I am thinking.
That's such an interesting way to think about it. This gave me a new angle to look at this case from
I thought that too
I thought this as well. They "police" her every move. Sounds like someone other than her parents were controlling her and she was saying she may as well be with them thers no difference
I think that's exactly it.
I understand her parents believe there was foul play involved, but they are so closed off to the idea that she left on her own. They couldn't see how their parenting style could have pushed Phoenix to her breaking point and keep justifying their actions. I hope that she is still alive and isn't in danger.
No matter how suffocated she felt, I truly belive she loved her parents and she would not just walk away like that and successful disappear off the face of the earth.
I kind of agree. I need 2 find the oxygen documentry
yeah they will never admit to themselves or anyone else that, if she really did just disappear on purpose of her own accord, their parenting style likely played a massive role in her decision.
I think her parents have created an image and narrative that they refuse to deviate from , Im sure they love her but it must’ve been so difficult for her has anyone tracked down her biological father?
@@ENIAWOOD you can truly love people and still want better for yourself and your life. Even if it’s your parents.
Wow. A 23 year old adult and your parent is still snooping through your stuff to see if you're hiding anything. It's too much, this behavior would have pushed me at that age directly in the path of dangerous people. I'm praying she is safe and healthy where ever she is.
If this living situation with her parents, was between spouses, that level of control would be considered emotional abuse.
i agree. i think she was controlled so much by her parents...she decided to run away with people who she thinks are good people or those who are the “bad boys”. almost every girl goes through the faze of liking the “bad boy” and i think she had that and it was the wrong boy
My mom is like that with the snooping.. I'm 30 and went to stay with them last month and she looked through my stuff while I was out 😳
I love my parents, but I’m 24 and still have to hide my stuff because they go through my things. It really does drive you to be reckless. You feel trapped and suffocated.
Note; I’m in college and getting ready to get married. That’s why I’m still with them.
You couldn't have said this better! Exactly. They said "she may have been experimenting with rap music" says it all. 😥 I feel so bad for her.
Her mother sounds like a nightmare. As someone who grew up with a very strict mother I left home when I was 17 and didn’t speak to her or come around for 2 years after that. I totally get it.
Bingo!! And that's why I'm leading more towards her mother having some parts to this..
Yeah. 🙁
And like they mention at the beginning, a lot of important details of the case were sold for tv programming. The mother is a POS
Such an hypocrite and she believes she’s religious? 😒
I think the mom wanted to live vicariously through her daughter. The mom felt like she "messed up" by having a baby out of wedlock so she could no longer be a "perfect Christian" woman - so she wanted Phoenix to be that.
the parents failed her big time. extremely controlling parents create secretive people. if they weren't so unreasonably controlling and didn't infringe on her privacy so much, she would have been more open with them, which would have given them more information about her life - who she hung out with, what may have happened, where to even start.
Exactly! I knew a girl who was more sheltered than the girl in this case, and she got pregnant her freshman year of college. (Parents only allowed her to go to the Christian college 15 min from out town) Her parents never talked to her about sex. EVER. This was before you could search on phones. She was forbid to even say the word sex, to anyone. Her parents always told her "we can talk about it on your wedding day". I heard a few people tried to talk to her about it, and she put her fingers in her ears and wouldn't listen. It was WILD how controlling her parents were. I often wonder how she's doing, mentally.
I agree. I have empathy for them of course because they’ve lost a child but they are partially responsible for what happened to her.
We don't have the right to criticize anyone's parenting when all they care is to protect your kids from harm. I'm sure they had their reasons to do so. I completely understand your point of view, I just don't think saying "The parents failed her" is fair or accurate at all.
I agree with you. I was raised with extremely controlling parents and there were a bunch of mistakes I made that could’ve been avoided if I felt like I could talk to my parents and they could advise me instead of punish me right away.
@@ENIAWOOD I think there's a line between love/care and abuse. If her parents were that controlling to the point of vetting who she could even talk to, then that's a form of abuse. Whether they intended it to be or not is another question, but would would you be saying the same about passing no judgement if it was your partner? It wouldn't be acceptable, just the same as it's not acceptable for a parent to control their grown child's life this much. Just my point of view
Sorry but being that strict isn’t healthy for anyone, I grew up in a strict Christian family. My dad was a pastor and my mom homeschooled us. I rebelled more than any kid I know, and it gave me a lot of trauma. When you go from not being able to do anything, to doing whatever you want, you have no idea how dangerous it is
Exact same here
I think Phoenix messad up with some dangerous people, as you say sheltered folks can be very naive.
I was like her. I just up and left. Didn't even tell my parents where I was until I was engaged and getting married. Maybe she is still alive and just doesn't want her parents in her life. I moved out of my parents house into my boyfriend's parents house overnight and 3hrs away. They had no clue where I was for 4-5yrs. I am now married to the guy I moved in with. My parents were trying to control my life and I was 18 and didn't want them controlling me. But I do think she's alive.
Did they report you missing?
@@sodamnsexy16 yes. But I called the police and told them I was fine and I didn't want them to know where I was. They didn't know where I was for like 4-5yrs. The cops had to make sure that I was safe so they asked me for the address of where I was and they sent the officers that was in the town that I was living in over to the house I was staying at just to confirm I was all right. But I moved to a smaller town where everybody knew everybody so when the officers heard of where I was staying they didn't come to the house they called the people I was staying with to make sure I was okay but the people I was actually staying with was my now in-laws.
I really hope that’s the case , she deserves to be happy ❤️
@@sammysabo I hope so too.
As someone who grew up in this area I don’t think you guys understand how dangerous this area is. Seriously East St Louis is usually the #1 in murders if not in the top 5 and it’s a very small unpopulated town, 26,543 people and 14 square miles and the homicide rate is 96 murders per 100,000 people. The national rate is 5. FIVE murders per 100,000 nationally. So the odds are not good. You don’t go to ESTL unless you’re up to no good. I doubt she left her parents and ran away to a place where 2/3’s of the people live in poverty when she lived in a very affluent area.
One day Josh should talk more in depth about his experience with his parents . He’s mentioned little parts here and there once in a while and I’m really intrigued
Check out the lights out podcast is Josh and his brother, he could’ve went more in depth.
@@Clownbunnycosplay I do follow their podcast . So far the ones I’ve seen they haven’t gone too in depth like my nosy ass wants them too. 😆
He isn’t obligated to share his private life, imo he’s shared enough details to explain what he dealt with. I admire his ability to be so matter of fact with cases and not just rely on emotions like Kendall does.
@@MisterRawgers I admire both of their styles. they compliment each other. plus kendall has a channel where she is very matter of fact about cases, so she's definitely capable of that. you don't have to put kendall down to put josh up, they wouldn't even like that..
@@MisterRawgers you’re right , he’s not obligated. I never intended to make him feel forced to. I’m stating that I’m nosy and intrigued but I’m not being demanding.
I agree that in the podcast Kendall is not as matter of fact or serious but that’s why they both work together. I can see that that’s why they’re a married couple. They compliment each other and each has something the other lacks. Making the podcast a nice balance that many different people can relate to when it comes to their commentary. It just works. They’re both two great people with strengths and weaknesses like the rest of us and that’s why I enjoy this podcast and will forever be intrigued by their lives and their stories. Because they’re interesting people to me. That’s all.
Even when the mother is publicly speaking at 17:02 she says "now listen carefully now" you can just get a sense of how controlling she is. She's even speaking to the audience like they're incompetent children.
right!!! I can't even imagine the heat Phoenix would catch in the privacy of their house if/when (bc nobody is perfect) she did something her mom didn't approve of.
Along with how she interrupted her husband and rolled her eyes as he spoke. God bless her mom, but she comes off super overbearing.
I completely agree. I'm just going to say this - the mom is horrible! I can't even imagine the way she acted behind closed doors. I've always had to deal with a controlling & manipulative mom, it's exhausting and depletes you of any self-worth. ✌️
Yes and condescending
I grew up in the STL area, and I knew a girl that started working with a group of "pimps" right out of high school. She was constantly posting things on her social media about staying in fancy hotels in the city, driving nice cars, and doing drugs. She also frequently went on trips out of town. Come to find out she was starring in adult films with these men, and got out of it not long ago and has implied that it was a desperate point in her life where she was getting manipulated and abused. This case reminds me so much of that girl and stories I've heard from other women in STL. The area in which Phoenix's car was found is near strip clubs, brothels, sketchy motels, and well-known drug dens. It honestly would not surprise me one bit if Phoenix got tangled up in something similar to this and is still out there today avoiding her parents. Something else to consider is that if she were murdered, there are many abandoned buildings in STL and the Mississippi River runs along the city, where bodies go unnoticed for quite some time before being found. Of course, there is the possibility of this being a case of sex trafficking due to her car being found near I-70 (good to note that this particular part of the interstate does not have a whole lot of heavily populated or well-lit exits, most exits between the Illinois and Missouri state lines consist of abandoned buildings, the landfill, and fields/woods/bodies of water). All in all, this is such an eerie case, and it's bizarre to listen to details of a case that is so close to home. I really hope and have a feeling that Phoenix is still alive and out there somewhere living a new life (hopefully a safe one). Thank you Kendall and Josh for handling this in such a respectful way and looking at all possibilities.
She might’ve just dumped the car there because of those things. She’s a smart woman and that would definitely help confuse things if she wanted to disappear.
I am stuck between 2 theories. 1. Being trafficked- I could see someone she was secretly seeing grooming her n then took his opportunity n snatched her. But then there's the 2nd theory that I can see equally as well n that is her leaving of her own accord. She was so resentful of how she was being raised that she very well could have just left to start over. I will definitely keep up on this case n hopefully Phoenix is found safe n sound somewhere living the life she wanted vs the life her parents wanted for her. Very very sad!!
It could be mix of those 2 theories: she wanted to leave, and found people who "helped" her with evil intentions ( so her escape ended up in human trafficking)
Thank you for bringing awareness to cases that aren't as well known.
Well said Catherine, I really appreciate that about this channel and others like them. It's so great seeing people helping the people.
From a parents point of view I can see how they’re trying to keep their child from making the same mistakes that they themselves have made, but there’s a way to do that without being completely controlling. I’m sure they feel so guilty and desperate and all the horrible feelings we can imagine.
That’s true, but at some point you just have to let your kids make mistakes, even if their the same ones you’ve made, we’re human, we have flaws and I’ve learned being more controlling causes more rebellion
As a mom of a 13 y old I disagree, kids needs tools but freedom to learn by themselves, we only learn from our own mistakes and don’t even her leaving the house...
Yeah, I agree! Kids need to learn from their mistakes, (and it seems her parents were way way too controlling) but there are some mistakes which will ruin your life forever (drunk driving, doing hard drugs, etc) that one doesn't want one's child to learn about from experience.
@@advena996 those mistakes don’t ruin your life forever. They may take your life on a serious detour but as long as you get back on the right path and do your best you can still do good things in life. I think a lot of parents are controlling out of fear that mistakes can ruin their child’s life but as long as someone is still breathing they have an opportunity to come back from a mistake and do better. You just gotta roll with the punches and keep on keeping on.
@@Misscutieful1 I absolutely agree that no matter what life stage or situation people are in, they always have the chance to do good! However, one can make "fatal mistakes". Looking at the statistics as I recall, sadly the average life expectancy of someone once they start doing meth is 10 years or so. Driving intoxicated can lead to one's own death, or life imprisonment if you accidentally kill someone else. Those outcomes, IMO count as "ruining your life". In my opinion, parents have a duty to protect their children from making mistakes that could be fatal for them, just as they have a duty to try to keep them from catching terrible diseases, dying in accidents, etc.
“ be careful of that person of the world” 💀
Tooooo Funny 😂
Phoenix' comment comment about riding in the back of the cop car definitely means that most people in her life are trying to police her. They're controlling her every move and she feels like there's no point of fighting back against their force. She's tired of being told how to live her life in all aspects. It was foreshadowing for her ultimate rebellion of removing herself from their control. She definitely fled from the immense pressure.
I lived in st louis from 2012-2015 I have NEVER heard about this girl.. and I worked at police department... that’s crazy
Wow! That’s wild!
Bingo! Secret boyfriend! That’s the first thing that popped into my mind when you guys mentioned that she went to her car to talk on the phone. She probably made plans to run off with him.
I’m honestly thinking she’s out there living her life the way she wants to. I simply hope she’s okay 🙏🏼
I hope so as well. Everyone should be free to live their life the way they choose.
I thought he was still around though or is he gone also. I might have missed it. Just wondering
@@kylesherwood2224 Yeah I'm pretty sure they said the boyfriend "cell phone Mike" was questioned and cleared, though it hasn't been revealed what was found that cleared him.
@@crochetingcanuck no the boyfriend #1 Mike was cleared 100% 2nd Mike was cell phone mike and wasn't mentioned to be cleared,and I don't think he is
I remember when I was 17 and went on my first date, my dad was at the door waiting for the boy to pick me up. We told my dad we were going bowling and we’re gonna be there for a few hours. An hour into our date my dad walks in claiming he wanted to make sure we were actually going to be here. He also wouldn’t let me go on birth control when my cramps literally caused me to pass out because he thought I’d use it as an excuse to have sex. My dad controlled almost everything in my life. He now gets one phone call a week. No more. No less. I haven’t seen him physically since 2015. And I don’t plan to ever again. So I could absolutely see Phoenix dropping everything and running away. I do hope she’s out there and safe.
I’ve grown up in STL my entire life and have never once heard of this case. I think that goes to show just how little coverage this case has gotten. My thoughts and prayers are with her family. I can’t help but think that this case has a connection to sex trafficking and I70. From I70 you can be in different states in no time. You can be in Kansas City, Kansas in about only 5 or 6 hours from STL. I’m still in shock that I’ve lived here my whole life and never heard of this case. I hope this episode brings light and new awareness to the case.
"Your mom wiped your ass for years" caught me off guard😭😭 Kendall is the best spokesperson ever😂
i was looking for this comment cause i burst out laughing 😂
It just doesn’t sit right with me that cellphone Mike said “it’s not like I’m going to sleep with her if she’s dead” like, who said she was dead?
Both of the Mikes sound so sketchy!
Yea he is super sketchy and such a odd ass statement to make. No one said anything about her being dead and he brings it up so casually in an argument/conversation 🤮 so gross
I believe that the friend actually saw her on that plane. That makes a lot of sense in this story. It makes sense that she would turn when her name is called and then say "oh do I look like someone?" thats pretty suspish.
I cracked up when you said you think of parent trap when you hear about fencing cause I alwaaaays do literally the same anytime I hear about fencing , parent trap 😂😂😂
Or Richie rich
Same! That’s the only movie/thing I can reference fencing to 😂
Children who have controlling parents will distance themselves from their parents when they are older. The people who disappear to start anew without hesitation is just making it quicker. I should know, I’m one of them
So you're saying when Josh met Kendall it was literally Boy meets World 😏
If only their names were Cory and Topanga lol
@@teddiethathal1116 they could pull off the names too 😭
Kendall does look a lot like topanga
I was just about to exit UA-cam because I ran out of videos to watch from my fav content creators then I saw a notification from Mile Higher and I’ve never clicked anything so fast. 😭 Thanks guys!!!
Same!
Right!
i really hope this girl is out there living her life. it’s a terrible feeling when you feel like no one around you understands what you’re feeling, she’s right we ARE the only ones who will always have our own backs. she’s so beautiful and deserves an amazing and free living life❤️
I am so glad you guys are covering this case! I have requested some other channels to look into this case but none of them have. It's such a sad story that was 100% avoidable!
Here for josh going off on the controlling parents 🙌🏻
Finding out her Mom was a hypocrite must have been hard. If her Mom told her for years that pregnancy outside marriage was the worst thing ever, how would that impact Phoenix's self esteem when she found out how she was born?
Why was she hypocrite? We don't know if she trusted the wrong people, got pregnant during an assault and was embarrassed of her past, therefore she kept that hidden and did everything she could to protect her daughter. She was over protective that we know, I just don't think that make her a hypocrite.
@@ENIAWOOD Well she made the same mistake so she could of been a bit more empathetic about the topic.
Josh’s salesman voice gets me every time 😂 Props for covering this case, the parenting in this one always reminded me of Jennifer Pan’s case, unfortunately it just never leads to anything great. 🤯
Phoenix's parents should count themselves lucky that she never resorted to killing them.
I just looked up that Pan case and wow! 😲 it’s wild what the human mind can do to get away from a restricted home environment. Pan is crazy for hiring hitmen to kill her family!
@@candy2325 yup, I covered it on my channel, Kendall covered it on hers too if you wanna listen 🕵🏻♀️
Was thinking the exact same thing 😬
I think phoenix ran away. She planned her escape months ahead, probably when she was asked to come back home since she knew her parents were going to continue to treat her like a child. The day of her disappearance she got the call that her escape was ready so she left in a hurry how her parents explained, she obviously staged and ditched the car as to not be found and she ran away, probably very far and changed her name so her parents couldn't find her. I came up with this because I had strict parents and couldn't wait to get away from them cause I knew they were gonna continue to treat me like a child and have thought about running away, moving away at 18 and all the above. So this makes perfect sense in my mind
As weird as it may sound, I fall asleep every night to these podcasts even Kendall’s videos and lights out, I don’t know why but both of your guys voices are just so relaxing and all I know is (if) you guys ever have a child they will have the best sleeps ever falling asleep to you two telling them stories
Saaaameee, here I am rewatching it for the 3rd (?) time bc I put it them on to sleep too 😂
Same
I love their voices as well! Kendall has such a podcast voice 🤗
Ditto!!!
I decided to pay the $15.99/mo. So I could listen to Kendall & Mile Higher w/o any interruptions!
Her mother sounds more angry that she has lost control over her daughter than she is about her missing..she is blaming cops but it makes more sense that Phoenix left to find freedom...
I really hope she was able to get out from under her parents and that it's a happy ending for her.
I’ve heard josh talk about his religious family before and I wonder how they feel about josh now and if they still talk ...
Glad it wasn’t only my nosey ass. 😂😂
Same
Yea they have good contact all is well there
Josh just smiles those dimples and wins every time, amiright???
I wonder that too!
This story is blowing my mind bc I actually experienced this same situation! I found out at 18 that I was conceived out of wedlock...after my mother had stressed the importance of waiting until marriage. She had even stated MANY times that she waited. I also discovered that she didn't graduate from high school, which she also stressed the importance of. She even went as far as to say that my father had tried to stop her from graduating but that she had taken night classes just to get her diploma. Once I confronted her about everything, she cried and admitted to it all. She got her H.S. diploma in 1998, and she is STILL in college! 🤦🏽♀️
I love Kendall and Josh's dynamic so much, I love that they do this together. It's so important to sit together and catch up on life together as well and the way they respectfully communicate on controversial topics and can disagree without disrespect shows that that carries into their own problems that may arise. Very mature and healthy.
Sounds like Phoenix had a boyfriend and they had a fight. (The fact she was on the phone in the car and then "left with conviction" without saying anything).
I feel so badly about this case. I just wonder if she did run away because of her family situation? I really hope she's still alive somewhere (not in human trafficking or held captive) and she's living her life. I have had very controlling parents growing up and she might have just wanted to get away from it somehow.
i think she never got the “bad boy” phase most girls go through in middle/high school. those boys aren’t really bad. but she is 25 at this point. so her “bad boy” phase is actual bad men. they convinced her to leave her parents and run away together then, BOOM..sex traffic or not alive anymore. hope she is alive and okay :(
Poor Phoenix. I really hope beyond belief that she is out there of her own accord, happier and safe.
It shouldn't matter how old someone's child is. If the parents think something is wrong and they think they're missing then something needs to be done right then. So sad about this and it's very close to my hometown. So awful. Prayers!
when you said maybe she got pregnant, that really struck me. I bet her and her boyfriend got pregnant, the long call was her telling him or trying to tell him and he maybe didn't want to keep it but i'm sure she would have because she was so religious. she definitely wouldn't have told her mom and maybe just wanted to leave without a trace and start over and be with the only people who wouldn't let her down: herself and her KID. so interesting
I know this is old news now, but when the previous intro came on it made me feel like, "Mile Higher, FUCK YEAHHH!". This intro makes me feel like, "Ayyy Mile Higher in the house!" - both are good lol
Exactly! lol
When Kendall said we should all be scared I felt that so deep it gave me shivers
Kendall and Josh and the Mile Higher Family ALWAYS give true cases the respect and honor that they deserve. Absolutely the best people with the best intentions and hearts! Love and positive vibes to you All! Thanks for another wonderful post❤️🙌
Agreed!
Everytime I come back to this case I really feel for her. I'm an only child and my mom was strict too so I know how it feels to feel like u have to be secretive or cant talk to your parent about something cause of the reaction you'll get. Like being strict on kids makes them secretive as fuck. I wish she felt like she could share more with her mom.
I'm not sure why but I have this strange feeling that the parents know something or did something, like maybe phoenix threatened to go try to find her birth father and maybe the mother couldn't handle that thought. Or maybe the mother found out about the double life before she said she did, and got too upset.
I definitely think there’s more information about the circumstances leading up or the day of her disappearance that the parents are not saying.
I don't think they hurt her.
BUT I wouldn't put it past them that if she did just leave on her own and they knew that they'd lie to the police to manipulate the situation and get her back.
My father is nuts and it's absolutely something he would do. I remember when I was a kid we'd gone out for the day with my Aunt, he knew where we were but he was upset that we (my Mom and I) weren't home when he called home from work and wanted to talk so he caused this whole scene calling people telling them we were missing just to gaslight my Mom and I into not going anywhere again
(This was before cellphones but he knew we were going out for the day)
Did they say he wasn't her real father? I know she had two birth certificates but I didn't hear or must've missed where they said he wasn't her father.
@@daymarie1111 yes, another mans name was on the birth certificate.
Yes! Same thing I thought.. Unpopular opinion, her mother/family has something to do with it.
I'm not sure if you intended it or not but I always catch myself staring at the point between the triangle from the mile higher sign and the pyramid salt lamp 😂 they line up so perfectly. I love you Kendall Josh and Janelle 💕✨
Now I can’t stop since you pointed it out 😂
I'VE HAD THIS SAME THOUGHT omg
Sometimes they don't line up perfectly and it really bothers me 😂
Thank you for covering less known cases such as this 💚💙
Was one of the birth certificates gone? If it is, then I would definitely lean more on the she left by her own choice.
I believe the one with her original name was missing.
@@screamqueen1946 yes, I think she ran away. Used her original name for a short time (which is why such short history under that name) until she changed her name completely. She may have even told her neighbor friend she was being followed as kind of a red herring...?
i think its important for parents to let their kids learn from and explore relationships when they are young and the stakes are low. if they have no experience and suddenly become adults i feel like the stakes are so much higher.
i’ve been binge watching these and i’m finally here for a new episode
Welcome to the Mile Higher Binge Watching Groupies😂🥰! I find myself doing this all the time💀👿👹👺🔥🤗 Positive vibes to you and yours❤️
@@kristinadalcour1152 thank you lol 😁
You guys always use your platform to shed light on such important cases and I love you guys. 💛
It scares me as a mother if something ever happens to my child, nobody would do anything about it. My heart breaks for all the families who have to go through this.
Josh, I'd love for you to share your story.
Right?! His life seems so interesting.
Maybe she was saying like might as well be in the back of cop car, like headed to jail bc she already is a prisoner?
That's what I got from her saying that. The way they just jumped to a conclusion like she's committing crimes was very cringe.
The podcast always comes out right when I need it 💕
As often as the police tell families that a person has the right to leave, I am just wandering how often that is truly the case. Most of the cases I have seen that has not been what ended up happening. So much needs to change in the way they handle these situations. And you are right Kendall, we should all be scared knowing that this is what could be told to our family.
I had my first child very young and wasn't married to his father. Got married when he was 1 year old but I felt like it was best to be open and honest about my mistakes as a young person so my kids could learn from them hopefully! I'm so sad if finding out her parents hid so much from her was the final thing that caused her to vanish into thin air. Although I actually do hope that's what happened, and she's out living a happy uncontrolled life now.
The car in the middle of the road brings me back to the case where a car was left on railroad tracks with driver door open
Yes! Cieha!!!
I love your channel kendall! Also, there's some kind of beautiful vibes when you and Josh post here together. I love how you two are 🥰
I think the reason the parents didn’t “think anything of her storming off and leaving in her car” was because she got into a fight with them too before she left. Maybe she decided to cut all ties and leave, she probably just snapped and wanted space from her parents, maybe never intending to come back
I already listened to this episode on Spotify, but I have to come like the UA-cam video. Gotta support the mile higher fam. Love you guys!!🤍🖤
Flight attendant here. Can confirm we take possible trafficking cases VERY seriously.
Have you ever seen it happening or suspected it? Do they teach you what to look out for?
I’ve said it a 1000 times, I’m someone who enters missing people/runaway juveniles every day and night. Not all agencies are like this. That first officer should have definitely taken the initial report. She would have been entered nationwide. And you 100 percent can enter a vehicle associated with a missing person. So what happens is when the officer runs a plate you will get a return that will say it’s a missing persons vehicle and it will say who is the missing person. And in the city I work in if an officer finds an abandoned vehicle from a different city and is left in a “weird” way that officer will have us call that cities agency to send an officer to the registered owners address. They will attempt to contact the owner and see if the vehicle is an unreported stolen vehicle or who should be in possession of the vehicle. Bottom line is I hate lazy officers and detectives. Don’t ever let an officer say you have to wait for 24 hours, don’t ever let an officer talk you out of a missing persons report. If that happens then you call back in and request the on duty watch commander/supervisor.
I was just researching this case for my true crime channel!!!! What a weird coincidence. I watched the whole documentary on her. Upsetting
I hope Phoenix left peacefully and is ok out there somewhere. I hope her story ends in a good one ❤️
I live right by St. Louis- very sad to see and hear this story. Sending love, peace, justice, and prayers for the family involved. 🥰❤️
Her parents love her, but they also sound like they just wanted full control over Phoenix.
Growing up in a strict household myself, I know she was so skilled at hiding things because her parents were so controlling. If they were less strict, she probably would've trusted them more, and maybe they would have a better idea of what happened to her ☹️
I love how Josh and Kendall explain different lifestyles and provide negative and positive perspectives without condemning people. I love this u be channel. Thanks xxx
This just very much reminded me of the statement about how very strict parents create very sneaky kids and it’s very unfortunate because the parents obviously care about their kids but at some point you have to let them be their own person
Wow Phoenix is absolutely stunningly gorgeous!!! I pray this family finds answers, and peace.
I don't have kids but was a Sunday School teacher/Youth Leader for over 16 years. Parents who approach their kids with love and understanding usually succeed rather than those who approach their kids through fear and intimidation. The latter way either produces naive kids who are easily swayed or rebellious kids who try to indulge in everything they were protected from.
you two are my favorite couple online :) thank you for bringing attention to Phoenix's case!
I think she was talking to Mike about her plan to leave and start over and he helped her. That is why the cops were able to rule Mike out, he probably let them know what was going on and they verified his story. Maybe the cops met up w Phoenix and she told them about what her life was like with her parents. I hope she’s still alive and well just living life somewhere in a mountain community, away from people and just living life peacefully!
Hope you had an amazing birthday kendall great job Josh for the surprise vaycay
She had a second phone. Yeah, she felt suffocated. That would make her extra vulnerable as she was probably looking for any kind of escape or freedom.
And programmed to obey...
My favorite UA-camrs of all time ❤❤❤
I ABSOLUTELY love that you use your platforms to shed light on these cases that deserve justice.
Thank you for having the huge, empathetic hearts and strong voices you do!!
Kendall I found your channel about a month or so ago and I love it! Thank you for your hard and thorough work !!! Your awesome
Thank you for realizing that not all homeschoolers are the same! I’ve raised my son with a ton of freedom and tried not to shelter him too much, especially since he became a teenager.
Been looking out for an episode all day. Finally here. Hope you guys are doing well. Thank you for keeping us a mile higher. Interesting topics every single time. 💚💚
I really want to believe that phoenix loved up to her name sake and she became reborn into a new identity
“In some cases, not this one”
- Kendall
😆 With the quickness. I love it
Yessss I have been waiting for you guys to talk about this case! I had watched the oxygen “doc” and felt incredibly frustrated by it. Thank you guys for talking about this!!
I gotta say I take immense pride in seeing y’all post just ~29 minutes ago and already having 3.2k views 🤘🏽🌄
Edit: that shirt is *too* dope. Omg and that cup!
My mom is in her late 70’s and that waiting ‘48 hrs to report someone missing’ came up recently and she was stunned when I told her that it wasn’t true. The thought of how many people believe that and may waste that precious time is frightening.
It's definitely not easy to have a person disappear from your life and know that if they did this intentionally, they're trying really hard not to be found... I often wonder how a person who does that feels when they see people desperately looking for them... but at the end of the day, if she decided to walk away from her life, I hope she's safe and alright, because making a decision like this was definitely not easy - no matter what pushed her to do this
I really appreciate you guys i have known a lot of trauma and i wish i had someone to have asked the questions and cared as much as you guys do. You guys are truly a blessing for the families and the heart you put into it shows bless yall
I feel like I’ve heard this one but so excited to hear your guys’ take! Just what I needed, feeling so sick as I’m entering my second trimester ❤️ also Kendall, your hair looks awesome!
Loooove this podcast so much. Ugh. Recommend to everyone I know.
Can you guys please do an episode on indigo children! There’s no one talking about them and there’s a ton to it!