Official Response to Shadiversity How to Fight with GIANT SWORDS: Field Test with Real DRAGONSLAYER!
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2022
- Beat you to it Shad! This is a friendly but also serious field test with a real giant steel sword (Dragonslayer) in response to Shadiversity's video on fighting with Giant Swords. I also discuss my Colossus Sword Form. The FIRST GIANT SWORD FORM!! MUAHAHAHA!
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Currently I have been training for close to a year with a 48 pound Dragonslayer and have now developed a basic sword manual and technique that my Outlaws and Berserkers on my channel have agreed to name Colossus.
This is not an attack on Shad, but a real person's look upon what it really takes to fight with a Giant Sword and how it could be practical.
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I am really happy to see you getting viewership and traction!
You are the man and I was here from the begining and will be here when you get your world record 💪
You're the best Ibrahim!!!
Glad to have you here my friend!
Damn... Seeing the Zweihander after the giant sword you have makes the Zweihander look like short sword.
I've actually played with the idea of having the Zweihander on me as an "arming sword".
Mostly for the trolls though. Lol
The origin of the sword is a story known as 'berserk', a Japanese comic which popularised the giant sword, and the best story I have ever read, heard or seen
@@Quephara You are correct!
Thin******* not short
@John King'ori Wow that's impressive detective! How long have you been on the for?
One interesting difference between your approach and that of Shad is that he is theorizing how a person with inhuman strength might wield such sword, while you are doing this with regular human strength. For example, the very thing keeping you from doing a montante style swings is that you don't have super strength.
Both are very interesting data points. Thanks for this content!
True! And thank you.
The one flaw with Shad's theory is he needs to consider that even one with superhuman strength wouldn't immediately go flying. We're organic and are capable of implementing movements for counterbalance.
A wider stance with the weight impacted upon the forward leg instead of through the arm would negate the flying forward.
I'm curious to see where he goes with it!
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 You need a hydraulic exo. ;)
But that would defeat the purpose. Fun, but it would defeat the purpose. lol
Hmm... I wonder how a passive, maybe spring powered exoskeleton would interact with a sword like this. Might it allow you to swing it horizontally?
@@PiiskaJesusFreak It would depend on the mechanics, but theoretically yes.
I worked out today doing basic Colossus movements and incorporated horizontal movements. One set stagnant on my right side. One set each side using full body and ballistic techniques. Which worked much better.
The exoskeleton would help most with the stationary/stagnant movements. But I think would hamper full body and ballistic forms.
imagine practicing with that thing for hours everyday. then having archeologists dig up your skeleton and see the way your skeleton forms to account for the displacement like medieval archers.
As long as I have a smile on that boney face I'm good!
another thing both you and shad never really touch on is blade geometry. it can literally change entire behavior with different grinds, angles, etc. your dragon slayer as you said is wedge-like certain axe grinds are for lumber milling. this is a huge factor in how well something will do certain tasks.
Solid point! I've considered acquiring another with a thicker blade and a more profound wedge that can handle more dense material.
While Shad was talking about a man with super strength it was very interesting watching you actually use a massive blade.
Ye shad was referring to a person with superhuman strength
Yeah.... I forgot to mention that in my video..... so I'm just going to answer all those who point it out. lol
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 Even though that wasn't mentioned, watching you use that monster and know, personally, I probably wouldn't even be able o lift it. That was still insightful.
I also just realized, that blade functions more like a wood ax then a sword. Or at least appears to.
The moment you pivoted that beast overhead during your whirlwind demonstration my heart skipped a beat. Having clouted myself in the head with a montante crossguard several times when learning, I'd be very reluctant to try any kind of overhead transition with sharp corners instead. You're a very brave man my friend. 😁
Lol. Yeah, that was a risk.
The thing is, I can feel/sense where the blades are.
I've practiced so many hours with it I can tell where they are to avoid contact with my head and body. A lot of people also tend to jump to conclusions that I only do the vertical cut, I practice many others and it helps understand the blade and sword overall.
The shoulders and arms are the exception, but like Shad, I had a similar idea but not completely relying on them for leverage.
Lol. Have a good one!
This dude is living the life. Swinging around a giant sword in an empty field off a highway whilst his caretaker eggs him on.
Caretaker? 😂
Lol. I mean.... she makes me food and helps edit the videos.
Perhaps having a giant sword that has only one edge would be better than two edges since you can rest it on your shoulder, and push the blade off of your shoulder for an attack WAY easier.
Buster Sword!!!
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 Exactly!
I heard cross guards can help in a similar way tho idk much about swords so I'm not sure if that's right or wrong
@@elishafollet5347 You could, but you'd need a pretty big cross guard. Even then you'd still have to focus on balance way more because the blade would be sticking up almost vertically, and your hands would be really close together and wouldn't provide a very secure foundation. Resting the actual blade on your shoulder is more stable, and would provide a wider base of which the sword would be resting.
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 A Buster Sword seems great but since that giant great sword has other weapons inside itself, it'd be heavier.
I'd recommend Genshin Impact Claymore's (lowest) one to two star weapons. Waster Greatsword, and Old Mercs Pal with one edged side, you could also check the battle animations on how they use the weapon and see how their body uses it in their own unique way.
5:00 Massive guts energy. "My swords dull. it don't cut too well. - If one hit don't kill you, you'll wish it had."
Lol. Sounds right.
Though it's still sharp and wedge shaped where it's not. So the weight and wedge still get the cutting and chopping done. Lol
Cheers and Happy New Year!
dang imagine somthing happens like aliens come or something and disable our guns who’s gonna stop somebody’s with a sword that huge 😂
Lol.
Magnet man. My arch nemesis.
He would still probably get ganked by hoomans with pointy sticks and sticks with metal heads on top.
Spears or an alien with a lightsaber.
Me with a blow gun needle to the neck
@@warlord5295 I'd pull out the bazooka.
"And contrary to popular opinion... it clangs"
Hahahaha that's a good one
8:45 Now it's a hammer
It's a versatile weapon, what can I say? :)
Imagine being in one of the cars in the background and as you drive past you get only a glimpse of this guy with the Dragonslayer "holy shit did I just see Guts!?" 🤣
"Clang!"
The neighbors still give me looks.
Cool video, and it illustrates a few things very well:
- the sheer destructive force of such an oversized weapon
- why sword size just did not increase past a certain point. I mean we kinda knew that, but it just is not a practical weapon for humans to use.
If you hit something, it will turn into mush, for sure. But the movement is so limited, swings so telegraphed, it would be suicide to bring something like this to a battlefield.
Still hella cool to see though and VERY impressive.
Also brings me back to shad's initial assumptions - that to use such a thing efficiently you would need to either
a) have the sword made of some super strong but actually very light material or
b) have super strength and mass
I'm not sure about either of those... with the first the blade will become more easy to handle, sure - but you kinda forsake a core advantage of such a huge weapon - the mass. Wonder if something like that would still actually be efficient, because I feel without the huge mass edge alignment and the like becomes more important again.
As for the second option, it makes me wonder just how strong and heavy a body would need to be to turn such a weapon into something even remotely nimble.
I mean it is not just about the strength and mass, but also about the fine tuning when it comes to distribution of the weight.
Not getting pulled from your feet when you swing it is one thing and a good start, but that still wouldn't mean you could swing it *efficiently* necessarily, right?
Either way, bloody awesome to see this BEAST of a sword in action, thanks a lot for sharing this!
So Pretty Hate Machining did a 1:1 replica of the Dragonslayer, and I believe it was like 320pound /145kg of steel.
Carbon would allow for I think a third or so of the weight?
But isn't durable enough.
So you would have to use Titanium or something, which is roughly half the density of steel.
Then don't make a"true" dragonslayer, but something more reasonable (thiner blade for example), and you could actually get something done, that would be wieldable.
Taking the sword form this video, using a titanium/carbon mixture (and asuming that it works for a blade), you could reduce the weight from 48pounds/22kg down to half I guess.
So 24pounds/11kg.
Might be interessting to see if this would make the "giant sword" feasable as a weapon.
Especially while wearing a plate armor (idealy the same material), so you could ignore "sneak" attacks, that try to get in fast.
Well, big sword from super light material wouldn't have mass, but range is one of the biggest advantages in combat. You would be fighting with what is essentialy a spear without effective range problem. Super light means more speed and control, too. For me, that is a good trade off.
Strength and mass wouldn't make you swing efficiently on their own, but with training would, just like with other weapons. I will admit that the problem of adjusting for sudden change in one's own strenght AND mass would make it more complex.
@@linkolek Well, yes and no.
Sure, making a giant sword out of corbon/titaniuzm would make it lighter.
But we're still talking like 4 - 6 times the weight of a normal sword.
So the mass is still insane and deadly.
@@dao_of_the_gamer4084 that might work, I train with the red queen replica and it gets pretty nimble, so a 25lb dragonslayer would probably work really well, the only problem is the balance but the pommel can just be steel or something heavier to balance it out
Let's take Cloud for example he is enhanced by exposure to Mako and the injection of Jenova cells which increases his strength without actually increasing the size of his muscles and therefore his weight
The algorithm brought me here after watching Shad's video.
As a Kanabo (Japanese War Club) enjoyer, I appreciate the practical perspective, the raw energy and the straightforward approach of this video.
Good luck on your attempt and I pray for you to have more power.
Literally more power to be able to do this stuff.
Thank you BR!
Also I didn't know about Kanabo but I'm going to look into that weapon now!
Strength to you as well! Happy New Year!
Currently working on a video game that utilizes oversized swords and both this video and shad's have been huge in understanding how this would work in real life. It's a bit unexpected which moves are practical and which are not. I look forward to seeing more!
good luck on the game!!! really looking foward to this lol, will you post the making of it? would love to see this game take shape!!
Check this out as well!
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@@naherathe I'll think about it. I'm still pretty novice at game dev so I don't feel too confident explaining but I probably will do occasional video updates at large stages
one thing Shad seems to underestimate here is just how much the sword is gonna go where it wants to go and it will absolutely shove or crush or cut or tear anything trying to stop it.
True story. To be fair I don't think he has held a giant sword or destroyed something with it.
It's a unique experience! Lol
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 I envy you man
@@MegaGaming11 It's a lot of fun! Hard work got me here. Aim high for your goals too man.
@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 thats pretty much how Guts swings the Dragon Slayer in the manga, and how Cloud swings the Buster Sword in the FF7 Remake: they're not fine-tune controlling the blades, they swing to build momentum and let their blades crush everything in front of them. Even when Cloud does fast combos ("Punisher mode"), there's still a ton of heft and weight in his swings, and his insane leg/core strength is the only reason he doesn't go flying. The sword blades are so wide they don't need handguards or traditional guard stances, smaller blades just skid right off.
DemolitionRanch has a video where he and a strongman test out a 1:1 steel replica of the Buster Sword (made by Pretty Hate Machining): it weighs 120 lbs, and the blade is 5 feet long and an inch thick. They can't swing with any momentum, only drop it from shoulder height It still crushes the side of a car and pierces from the roof to the floor from sheer weight alone despite the relatively short drop. It also is basically immune to bullets, even their largest armor piercing round only went 3/4ths through the blade.
Pretty Hate Machining's 1:1 replica of the Dragon Slayer's blade is 6 feet long and 2 inches thick. It weighs 324 lbs. If armor piercing rounds can't pierce the (relatively) smaller Buster Sword, im not surprised nothing in Berserk has damaged that blade yet
@@jthecryptid
Solid points.
That's why I created my Colossus Sword Form to take into the account of giant swords advantage, weight and impact!
I hope you get that world record! It’s so cool to see somebody train with a semi realistic ultra greatsword.
Speaking of, your dragonslayer is amazing! Been looking for something similar but they end up being short or not made of metal.
Thank you! I'm glad that there are many people enthusiastic about it!
PrettyHateMachining made mine years ago. You can find him on Etsy. They are much more expensive now than when I first got mine years ago but they are also now more on demand. He does great work though!
Yeah... there's a lot of aluminum ones and others made of foam or plastic. But hardemed steel is the only way to go!
The same guy made your sword is now doing a 1/1 solid steel dragonslayer for thickness, no one can probably ever lift it hahah
It's not wieldable, but there's someone making a true to scale Dragonslayer on UA-cam, I can go find them if you want.
@@gwidao123 Yep! I covered his first two videos on my other channel!
I’m glad I’ll be living in the future that has real big sword fighting style and techniques, it would be very useful for writers
2:30 Yeah, the biggest thing about resting it on your shoulder is that it doesn't have a cross guard. You may not need armor and a cross guard, but you definitely need one or the other to avoid the blade digging into your shoulder, as you said the point was doing.
9:20 So it seems you don't need to worry about the blade bouncing back at you, but reclaiming the sword from the target may be an issue, lol. Unless you just cut the target in half, like you did almost immediately after.
14:20 That was also crossing my mind when Shad was demonstrating that idea with his sword. The bottom foot or so of the sword would have to be flat or rounded in order to do a motion like that safely, otherwise the sword is cutting into your glove or shoulder.
17:30 A potential way to get more counter balance on the "body" end of the spin would be to wear heavier armor, but that's really just adding more and more pounds to what your legs need to carry. I think the big thing for all the massive sword weapons like this is the weight, which is greatly reduced in fantasy settings, either through magic or fantasy materials. Or such swords are wielded by giants, lol.
Great video response, Shad created the hypothesis video, and you brought out the practical application test. Science!
14:20 if you have a mail glove that negates that point entirely
I always thought the beat way to fight with such epic slabs of steel would be to use momentum, as in to basically move your whole body with them; almost dancing.
Full body ballistic movements are key.
This was just demonstrating specific points.
You can see additional techniques and forms on my channel through other videos.
The guy who made that Dragonslayer is currently making another one, supposedly full sized and the blade itself weighs a few hundred pounds. Seeing as how you've already got one, I'm thinking the current project's going to Shad since... he's suddenly decided to pop up that video. As for how viable that one is to even move around, I think its just going to be a display conversation piece for his castle whenever it gets done lol.
Yep! Adam from PrettyHateMachining and I have been acquaintances for years! I did reviews of his work on my closed channel.
The current project weighs 324lbs completed.
It would need one of Shad's shoulder leverage techniques to be moved, by a massive and properly trained guy.
But it would make one hell of a display piece!
It'd be cool to sell a sword to Shad but unfortunately, he was not the client for this one :)
@@PrettyHateMachining Hi Adam! You never know! Maybe he'll come up with an idea or a new project to create?
Also, Happy New Year!
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 Same to you, brother
Well if Shad's not the client for this one, then he'll need a ridiculously large conversational piece for the spot above the giant fireplace someday!
10:22 I think the point Shad was making here was about how the moves were overswinging and sloppy rather then anything about the possibility of swinging like that
"This is super dangerous." he says, wearing no head or eye protection. This is an interesting response, and I respect how much thought and effort you have put into this subject, but please protect your squishy bits!
I have body armor over where I am most likely to be struck. I have also spent countless hours training with the live blade (slowly and not slowly) to build strength and muscle memory.
Head is arguable, but if it helps I found a kevlar helmet for when I do crazy spinning moves again in the future.
Have a great day!
My idea with giant swords has always been the idea of having hand holds at optimal points along the length of the blade, most likely along the core of the blade, with the fighting technique involving a fair amount of movement with your non dominant hand, changing said off hand from the hilt to the other hand holds to be able to have better direction control while still being able to utilize the weight of the blade, most likely one hold above the guard like normal greatswords for defense or heavy hitting techniques and one toward the middle for thrusts and more sweeping motions. Seeing how you lean into the brutish and stonewall nature of a giant sword is interesting though, I like it (also speaking as someone who has limited experience with proper swordplay feel free to take absolutely nothing I say into consideration)
Your idea would be cool to explore!
The blade would need to be built first.
I can see two problems with that:
1) Attached handles would ruin the cutting ability by being hard stops.
2) Cutout handles would reduce the blade's structural integrity.
Here is the thing. It is 100% dependant on strength, that is pretty much it. If you have the strength to control the weapon, it is going to be effective. Human's however, probably even the World Strongman Champion, can't effectively control at 48 pound weapon and all you would have to do is dodge the first swing and its over, because they wouldn't be able to recover fast enough to counter your attack.
Pointy stick will always be better than giant sword. ,Spear gang,
I was gonna say crossbow but I could basically hide behind that sword and I am sure it could take the shot@@elishafollet5347
Maybe a longer handle might help with handling the sword better? Like a handle 1.5x if not twice as long
Maybe for some movements? Too long of a handle and it actually begins to hamper movement and get in the wielders way. Same thing with having too wide of a blade.
I've practiced with my Dragonslayer for so long that I have grown accustom to it's and a longer handle would throw me off.
The other concern is that a longer handle would bend more easily over time or warp in other ways from impact.
But maybe for another weapon?
I suppose its worth mentioning the difference between their swords.
Obviously, Shad's is made of wood, and not dense, thick metal.
However, if we take the shape and size of his wooden sword, and say it'd now made out of steel, I think it might prove to be a lighter and possibly easier weapon to wield.
It's thinner, which suggests that it'd be better at cutting, and is also longer, which takes away from its potential advantage of less weight, but even then...
Anyway, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that things would look different with something other than Guts' hunk of steel of a sword.
Regardless, it's interesting to see someone spending time to develop a way to use giant or colossal swords.
It was great fun to see the Dragonslayer sword, b'b'but... I'm thinking one might achieve significantly superior results in all those tests, except the pointy-end one, with a woodsman's axe. 😁
There’s a game called Kenshi where swords akin to the dragon slayer exist. They’re often referred to as “suicide blades” due to how people tend to die wielding them since they’re not easy to utilize. That is, unless you **can** use them.
I don't think the glove thing was meant for leather gloves, but metal gauntlets, lol
I also think everyone should look more at single-edged giant swords. It doesn't strike me as though them being double-edged serves any purpose, since they neither need to be sharp nor are prone to quick direction changes, and just makes them more awkward and dangerous to use. (You can also get more weight behind point of contact on the single edge with the fatter geometry of a blunt end, too.)
Most metal gauntlets were basically metal plate riveted onto a leather glove. Because you need grip and sensitive feedback when you grip a sword, pretty much all gauntlets were left leather on the palm. On the other hand (haha get it?), I've seen one example of a gauntlet with chainmail in the inside of the hand, but I don't think that It'd be very practical when added to all the drawbacks of giant swords.
Fascinating tests. I love to see people testing the bounds of physiology and skill when using new technology. I would love to see sparring, but with a weapon so heavy, I don't think it could possibly be safe. Maybe measure your strike time next to a wall with tape on it, then have someone with a different weapon attempt a strike and compare the footage to see if they could have closed the distance in time. For science!
Something that neither of you touched on that I believe is a HUGE advantage to giant swords is the blocking factor. ESPECIALLY After a top swing, you can put your body behind the flat of the blade and block basically anything immediately after you do a top swing. Moving around the blade instead of moving the blade itself, and using it as an obstacle for your opponent. Moving fluidly with the gravity of it is key. Sigfried in Soul calibur 4 is my inspiration for this, I would highly recommend checking it out!
Any time I see a giant sword like this, I think of Siegfried and his Sword: Requiem.
It'd be interesting to see his techniques analyzed and tested
This was such a cool video! I can’t wait for this channel to grow in viewership, you both definitely deserve it! I was worried for both of your safety as several points in this video. When you were twirling with the sword it was like an athlete preparing a hammer toss, and I was worried your grip might loosen and send the blade flying, possibly hurting someone. Please invest in a decent helmet, too! Great video!
that reminds me, speaking of athletics, you might consider practicing the sort of exercises caber toss athletes do, because they essentially are just lifting giant poles of weight, sort of like the dragonslayer is.
You read my mind John! Lol
I was thinking of highland games too!
My issue with the helmet is that I don't really want to create techiniques in the Colossus Sword Form that requires it. As a martial art weapon form I believe that each movement should be usable at a moments notice without armor.
But different weapons means different rules.
I probably wont get too crazy with the whirling though! Lol
The grip was amazing, no issues there. The problem was weight, much more power is needed than Shad's wooden one.
Thanks John!
I was going to write a comment about how I see a style that works with this type of weapon would almost be a "dance" of some kind: something that focuses on the momentum and energy preservation by letting it swing you just as much as you swing it. Seeing you destroy that bucket with nothing but letting your muscles relax tells me that you've thought of this more than I have, but that's still just a bucket. Now I just want to see it win in a sparring match! It's so cool that you're working on a fighting style for these things!! Life imitating art, that's so dope.
Edit: That Dragon Slayer of yours really is the real deal. It's rough, making it rip and tear through things as opposed to cleanly cut. Thats so cool!!
To be fair, the Mantante style stuff was under the assumption that either the weapon was abnormally light, or the wielder was super-strong; but it's interesting to see the fantasy vs. real techniques.
Absolutely! I forgot to add that mention. ;)
The sound of impact on the stump is so satisfying^^
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS!!!
Thank you for watching!
There's two more videos that may interest you! Colossus Sword Workout #1 and Combo #1!
Badass man, when you picked up that 7 pound sword it looked like you had enough pump to use it with one hand lmao. That’s a feat in itself
Can’t wait to see you swinging this thing like a branch
I feel like the weakness of a giant sword is that if you get it stuck on something or miss the first strike you don't really get a chance to recover it for a second strike easily.
Different types of weapons call for different types of fighting styles.
I think the issue at hand is that everyone wants to keep comparing it to longswords and arming swords.
I'll keep improving!
Have a good one!
Then you better hope you swing hard enough to crush it
@@thecommentguy9380 The beauty of 48lbs of steel kissing someone is that you don't have to swing super hard every time. Gravity and it's weight will always have a lasting impact on the target.
True love.
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 i mean when you unintentionally hit stones or wood, they get stuck as seen in the vid
There is that one guy who made the steel 400lb dragon slayer.
324lbs. PrettyHateMachining.
4:28
"NOW THATS ALOTTA DAMAGE" Phil Swift
Now I just need a bigger bucket... to do more! Lol
Subbed just for the genuine effort you put forth here. I feel like if you put more mass on, even if it was just fat, may help with blade control. I would say maybe this would be a legitimate use for weighted training clothes for sure. That and heavy focus on back, core, and arm workouts alongside yoga for tendon/ligament strength and flexibility.
Genuinely excited to see more theory crafting!
a solid set of plate armor could really help with a lot of these techniques i feel... also if the weight was shaved down to about 30 lbs some of this could actually be pretty effective and still have insane mass for a sword... i wanna try to build one now haha
A suit of well-made custom armor would be nice and help protect the wielder.
But safety and experience helps too. I take it slow while training to avoid putting myself at too much risk.
Hey! That would be cool!
I think if you made it hollow with material under 1/8 thick you could get the weight down to 30 lbs or so and still have enough strength in the blade.
This felt like a wonderful compliment to Shad's video while being very entertaining and insightful in its own right. Bravo!
Never seen this channel before but I can only imagine what the drivers think passing by some guy swinging around a giant sword next to the freeway, fun video lol
Neighbors have grown accustomed! Lol
This made me realize the most realistic giant sword fighting shown in video games likely would be the style shown in Monster Hunter games where people swing their entire bodies into every swing and let their body sort of flow with the momentum of the blade. Like how I use Switch Axe in MHRise.
You are right! The movements most often ridiculed are actually the most accurate!
the difference between horizontal and vertical swings are so obvious in hindsight, really great video
I think the main issue with this weapon in a combat scenario is the fact that you can only swing it once. You arent gonna be swinging that at 3 or 4 other dudes armed with spears on a battlefield. Youre gonna swing it maybe once, and be done. You can only do one move with this thing: cut downward.
Actually if you watch the video in it's entirety I do numerous moves.
I also have media across my channel of doing diagonal, upper and horizontal.
I also am capable of swing up to 12 times with full control and taking different angles.
I've also still consider myself a rookie with plenty of potential to grow.
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 at 12:59 you attempt to do a side swing. The problem is, youre fighting gravity at that point, and when compared to your downard swings speed, it would be very easy for a competent fighter to either close in or duck under such a slow move, as you are completely exposing yourself in order to rev up the cut. You also claim right after that horizontal strikes dont really work, and are more for intimidation to get people to step back. The issue with that is after that horizontal swing, you were completely thrown off balance, and couldnt immediately follow up with a vertical.
@@datyeen You do realize that every move done in this video is not to demonstrate actual combat reactions right?
That they were shown solo without intention of follow up, and to demonstrate specific points?
Yes, as I stated the horizontal strikes are not effective. At this time. Though I would argue the full body swing is. I have also stated (which you continue to ignore) that I don't see myself as 100% refined yet.
Also, the "competent fighter would dodge or see it coming" is not accurate either.
Watch a few muay thai or mixed martial arts matches. Combat is not as cut and dry as most think. Blocking or dodging your opponent is not as easy or as common as people like to think. But it's a common internet argument angle.
I would also point out that you can't block this weapon, it's going to hurt you really badly trying. Or kill you.
Also, you again assume the person wielding the weapon doesn't have legs, can't do feints and isn't able to move either. I can sprint with this Dragonslayer and deliver accurate blows.
I'm also curious as to why your focus here is obsessed on immediate dismissal? You ignored the purpose of the video which was demonstration, and instead focused on negative tropes and viewpoints.
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178the problem with your muay thai analogy is throwing a punch or kick is MUCH faster than the horizontal swing shown here. Furthermore, anyone who knows how shields work would be able to tell you that even against that powerful downward strike, if you hold the shield at an angle, its gonna glance off. At worst, its gonna get stuck in the shield, adding even more weight to the sword itself. It absolutely would not "kill" someone to block this weapon if they knew what they were doing.
My dismissal of this weapon is its far too large and awkward for actual combat, which is what im assuming you are trying to prove.
Nvm he's only making it for a record
The fish net shirt is what really sold it for me
Lol. Breathable Motocross armor. But sure, maybe I'll go clubbing with it and start a trendy brand.
Point aside, I think that for the first "game animation", you might get a bit more juice if instead of swinging the blade from the get go, you first move (while still grabbing it) away, forwards from the blade a big step, dragging the sword a bit and giving it enough momentum for a very very big smash. I would love to see the comparison and your thoughts
Ok very cool, I need to think about my approach to giant swords now XD
Kudos to you sir!
I'm glad you're finally getting more and more views. Keep it up man.
Seeing how you respond to shad’s theories and what limitations you have to work within, leads me to wanting to design a sword for giant sword combat. Some things I’ve thought would be good to include would be a shoulder-rest-crossguard, handles in the blade, switching to one full edge, and a transport wheel. May have to start prototyping this.
Go for it!
I'm not sold on the handle in the middle or losing the double blade edge though.
You're not going to get much benefit from the handles and the wielder will have to struggle to keep the blade pointed in the right direction and from flopping around.
Single edge works great, but double edge gives you the ability to swing and cut in either direction at any given moment.
But those are my thoughts. Would be cool to see what you create!
Lmao, the comment on the Chiwawa's. That will teach them for biting my ankle!
They travel in packs!
And the amazing thing is this behemoth is only 10-15% of the weight of the original dragonslayer
Exactly 15% at 48.3lbs.
The real life Dragonslayer made by PrettyHateMachining is 324lbs.
Probably one of the first response videos I've seen where there's actually respect going toward Shad. Thank you so much for your kindness sir!!! Haven't watched the video fully yet Just wanted to add this and because I truly respect that and I look forward to seeing how this works!
11:03 that clang was beautiful, maybe THE CLANG we all know was not as unaccurate as we thought lmao
The clang is very real I'm afraid. I think people got carried away with the hate towards the 2016 anime.
I have been working on my own for a while and have found that you can have a oversized blade with a narrower profile, and still get the same benefits as if it were wider. Taking the Golden Age sword and mixing it with the Dragon Slayer getting a type of large twohanded Jian in a sense. I have only had heavy wood to work with in my case so being able to make a forged sword in the design I have I would prefer so I can test my style out. I don't feel so alone in my efforts to find the use of heavy blades though and appreciate the knowledge from this.
With the Golden Age Raider sword you can still have great destructive potential and force of impact.
But weight still does play a factor, more weight does equate to more work, but it also increases force and energy unleashed upon the target.
We'll see. I much farther to go, studying, practicing and training to do!
Thanks for reaching out!
You're one mad lad! Love it :)
Motivation!
Thank you Exile!
that thing is so sick just standing there stuck in the ground. badass
You should see it the other 99% when it's tearing through wood, targets, random helpless furniture, body armor, water jugs, melons.... good times.
I hope you picked up those bits of bucket! Nice video.
Me too! I think I ate them.... ;)
thank you good sir great video, really shows how much of a mosnter Guts is, especially since his technique relies a lot on spins
Guts is truly larger than life!
i never knew i needed this info, but i did. thanks!
You're welcome, Happy New Year!
Interested in where you got your Zweihander? It's my favorite design of it
Cold Steel Armory.
Honestly, one of the best response videos I've ever seen, very respectful and the criticism was constructive, plus you have a giant *ss sword?! How cool is that?!
Super cool! I really enjoy it!
Thank you Anvasan!
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 nah thank you man, you just got a new subscriber
@@xanvasanx Motivation! Glad to have you!
I think if someone wanted to create a more practical combat style with a collosal greatsword, they would need to redesign the weapon itself; a traditional flat plane presents so many problems and shortcomings due to its mass distribution that could be avoided with a few design quirks specific to addressing the use of a weapon of that size.
If you follow it to its logical conclusion you get the glaive or poleaxe
@@Rakaziel Pretty much.
A poleaxe is essentially the net benefit of a colossal greatsword as a driven mass, albiet with a reduced interior threat range. A glaive (or more specifically, a naginata) carries over most of the threat range benefit but loses a lot of mass.
If you wanted to build something with the benefits of both, something more akin to a fantasy swordspear might get you closer to the ideal middleground.
For retaining the greatsword design, a redesigned ricasso to serve with a shoulder pivot as part of the design coupled with a depreciated or hollow flute would help offset the mass manipulation by providing more appropriate fulcrum. Still not ideal against human opponents due to the lack of speed, but the weapon concept was invented in fantasy to fight inhuman ones anyway.
YOOOO, great video! Shadiversity needs to look here!
That would be awesome! I think he's staying focused on the fantasy element though.
But this was fun to do!
I've been watching the channel that made that dragon slayer sword and his newest dragon slayer project is really cool to watch
There's a significant amount of skill required to build these giant swords that must be mastered. Otherwise they don't function properly.
The 324lb Dragonslayer, even though plain seeming is an example if that.
Here's the one thing I think Shad got it severely wrong
The crude way of swordsmanship you achieve with the broad giant sword is the best thing you can with those slabs of metal imo
Since those things major advantage is its weight
Compared to normal swords of it's size, It would weigh atleast 8~10 times those of the same length caliber plus the weight you used for the swing, especially from the back muscles.
It won't bounce but cleave through, dent or chip but won't bounce since you won't find armor that would have the density to produce a counterforce to make it bounce, I mean where would you find body armor that has atleast 34~40 kilos of material density for every part of it, From helmet to greaves. At that point it'd be better to just cast a man to metal.
Get this guy a powered exoskeleton.
Someone must wield the Dragonslayer for real.
I'm going to need the 324lb version if we're going full exoskeleton. Lol
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 That, and a dragon.
The biggest problem with this response is that Shad's video is assuming that the fantasy sword is made of some super-light but super-strong material and/or the wielder has inhuman strength to use it as such. You're using a sword made of regular metal that weighs an impractical 40+ pounds that tires you after less than a minute of swinging. We're trying to compare apples to oranges here. Honestly, if you had the sword forged with half of the blade width of yours to cut down on weight, but still be super heavy, I can see that maybe approaching close to practical to use.
I was thinking what would be reasonable to make the sword more usable.
The biggest thing I've noticed is that it's one sheet of metal, no fuller.
A nice big fuller either side of the sword should cut a large portion of the weight out.
Maybe reduce the size by something like 2 inches and I think you might have something closer to usable.
The thing is, sure this huge sword would be intimidating at first, but very quickly an opponent would realize how slow it is and how limited the angles of attack are.
One quick step to the side and your sword is stuck in the dirt, and you're open to likely several attacks before you can retaliate.
Also you wouldn't really be able to keep going as long as your opponent could, a very valid strategy might be to avoid your sword until you're too tired to move effectively.
It is awesome that you're experimenting with this though. Without people like you doing this stuff we would just be sitting around speculating, and I was surprised by how well you are able to move this thing! I was in the camp that thought swords like this weren't even possible to use, and you're over here swinging it around! Very cool and definitely worth further experimentation. Perhaps there is an optimal design for swords of this size? Something that minimizes the drawbacks without compromising on the size and power?
Hi Dustin.
I think many have automatically assumed that my demonstrations are all that can be done.
I have numerous other videos where I don't let the blade hit the ground and I transition to other stances quickly and conduct strikes in unison from mulitple combos.
There's even a video of me control chopping pumpkins in half.
The issue with tropes and biases regarding giant swords is that the person swinging it is of less skill, intelligence and endurance than their opponent.
There is also video with me running and then delivering an accurate strike.
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@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 the issue isn't that they're biased against the wielder of the sword, it's that the "sword" is ridiculously impractical as a weapon.
This poster rightly points out that you don't have enough speed to avoid being chopped apart if you miss once.
You replied by saying a) that you don't always hit the ground and b) you chopped a pumpkin with it.
Neither of those things address their very astute criticism of this as an actual fighting system.
Nobody disputes this could destroy a pumpkin.
The only answer to this poster's concern would be to post video of you sparring with someone else.
The internet is full of self-styled martial arts experts, but only videos of live sparring offer any indication of the efficacy of their styles.
Even the charlatans who pretend they can deliver "ki" strikes from a distance (or whatever) are more difficult to discount than your claims.
Maybe they are telling the truth? No way of knowing.
But anyone who has trained in any sort of martial arts, unarmed or armed, can tell that your sword would be an awful choice of weapon for literally any combat scenario, even if it were wielded by someone who had trained in it for 20 years.
Give me a longsword and I still like my chances of beating Halfthor Bjornson (the mountain) who had trained with this thing all his adult life. His wrists would be a very easy target once he started swinging that thing.
@@sleep-of-ages while I'm mostly prone to agree with you there's also historical weapons that had very heavy weights compared to the average longsword that were very effective on the battlefield. the iron staffed kanabo which seemed to average between 10 and 15lbs/ 4.5kg-6kg but was still an effective battlefield weapon against the 3lbs katana when used by the average japanese fighter. so if there were someone with the strength and endurance to properly manipulate in the same way a average person does a longsword. there could be a combat style that makes swords like the dragonslayer effective for a select few combatants not everyone
Very entertaining and respectful Response. I like it
Thank you sir!
so basically fighting with a giant sword its like you are a chainsaw. very good at cutting things so long as you have gas at the tank.
just subbed really liked the video
I wonder if making a special left handed glove specifically to allow your inner part of your hand to be able to hold the sword would open up other possibilities. You could use a mix of chainmail and thin metal sheets to make flexible areas around your palm and fingers.
That is very interesting. I'm curious about a happy medium, where a sword of about 20lb would fare. Would you be able to employ some of the normal sword treatises while still destroying everything? Or would fail at both?
With 20 lbs you could do more traditional sword movements, but you would also be missing some of the benefits of a giant sword. I think there should be different classes of sword styles based on their weight because changes to how it's being wielded would allow you to harness the benefit of the added weight behind the strikes. That's why I'm developing the Colossus Sword Form to address some of the specific considerations of moving around the heavier weight. 20 pounds, although still big, would have more vibration and less smashing force behind it's strikes, so wouldn't do as much damage as 40 pound and above swords.
Where did you buy this? And could it be available for purchase on the same place? I didnt hear you when you said where you got it from. Dont wannna seem like a copy but i really want a dragonslayer and have been for quite a time
4:30 Now THATS a lotta damage!
It's ok. You should see me cut a cake or 3 pumpkins in a row! :)
A thought for continuing on this topic, what if you were in a fuller kit of medieval armor, with a layer of padding and chain mail to go under the plate, would you be able to then grab it more easily, since they would be harder to cut into and be able to absorb more if used for impact
I love how the sheer mass actually changes everything: No need for edge alignment cuz it digs in no matter what, also it messes the balance tremendously as we can see the body movement actually a lot differ from the usual light swords (light as adjective lmao). I don't think even super heavy human would change it that much since human density is no where near metal means a dude even super strong the mass relation still wouldn't change.
This is so interesting that brings something non-human scale to human-scale very very interesting tests. Be safe!
I did have a question about the game of throne’s valerian steel ice sword, what’s your opinion about it and do you have or do you intend to buy it or train with it one day for a future video, I don’t see a lot of videos on it and you seem like the perfect man for using it properly.
Once I complete the current World Record and I have additional funds I am definitely open to trying new ideas and swords!
Good points. The point of it all is scale and weight, so a proportionally scaled fulcrum is necessary, something that elden ring actually does get right to a certain extent, contrary to what shad said. In order to carry the blade by a hand, one would likely need an glove with armoured palms and even then, that thing would be punished way too much for such an application to be justified; it would better to turn that much material into a warhammer cap. It's nice how well you demonstrated the unfeasibility of such a technique. I find myself now curious on whether a giant axe would actually be more feasible than a giant sword, and the pros and cons of a single edged vs a double edged giant sword.
I wanna train with that weapon. What a beauty.
It's a great weapon!
Only 506 subs? This has gotta be a crime against humanity on YT's behalf man😂
Your channel is gonna need them 50k+ subs comin' in man, you've earned it at this point
I pray for your success dude. Sub earned, naturally...
Dude it's been an awesome journey. A lot of lessons learned, but we're moving up fast. Thanks for the sub, we're happy to have you here!
Get this man some giant metal pauldrons!
I do think this is a neat idea of comparing using a giant sword with real human strength vs the theory crafting of a giant sword with super human strength. These tests better show how gravity effects the blade, which is neat. I enjoy your current sword, and it would be interesting to see other designs in practice too, and how that would change things up, not just with the blade. Perhaps some kind of cross guard would be helpful for finding alternate resting positions, like the shoulder one. Especially if it was formed more to fit the shoulder/pauldron. Perhaps a more single blade design, with the other side having the freedom to have things like hand rests on it. It's so massive that you could even have the last 1/3 of the blade still be double bladed, and not really effect the lethality of being hit with either side.
In any case, this is my first vid I've seen of you, and I'm glad you're making content :)
The looks from neighbours if I used that thing to chop firewood!
Dew it!
@@DigitallyTwistedOutlaws1178 I have several felled branches and logs from yesterday... Just need the sword.
Seems like some handle cut outs toward the forte of the blade where it would be safely dull or even ground out ergonomically may help and open up some leverage points.
To be fair to shad, he did state that he hadn’t really thought much about the idea of it was starting to realise the opportunities of large sword martial arts. Honestly, I appreciate this video as I was waiting for an update video from shad bc I wanted to see the opportunities better expanded. And I think this is a lot better than what shad would’ve made purely bc you’re using a real dragon slayer which I don’t think shad would’ve done
17:26 good to note that shad was talking in context of super strength
As someone else who has also dedicated over a decade of my life to learning how to and practicing using giant swords.. though I do no longer own one(was poor quality and broke fairly easily with just swinging it alone.)I agree with almost everything you've said in the video. I think there are some types of horizontal attacks that can be effective depending on the weight of the blade.... In the case of dragonslayer not so much but with some even 15-20lbs replicas I made can be used for horizontal strikes however slightly slower then a normal sword like how you said with dragonslayer it's the weight that would drive it through guards and armor and deeply into the target
What sorta motorcycle jacket do you use? Seen this one pop up all over the place, no clue what it's called. Thanks!
It's a shield, no it's a sword, It's a sword, no it's a shield, It's a shield, no it's a sword...
Why do you remind me of Solider Boy from THE BOYS? Good video!
i was on prettyhatemachining's channel watching him make this sword! I was wondering if the dragonslayer would actually be used once done, I'm so happy to see it is
this got me thinking what if the sword was 10 pounds lighter or something along those lines, there has to be a sweetspot there between size and weight, I was on the fence before I watched this video but now im more interested, Nice work!
Buckets and trees, the worst enemy of swordsmen since... sliced bread?
Lol. Since the dark days of lumber gathering stone age people.
I thought that dragonslayer was light until I heard the clank of the metal😮
0:30 hearing you say that, i just realized when Guts does his 100 daily sword swings he's replicating his 100 Man-Slayer feat, _as practice_
I was thinking...could a giant sword be made with...like a handle across the guard area that you could grab onto for better control? Think like how someone holds a chainsaw or hedge trimmer.
I will deny that it CLANGS with all my being until my LAST BREATH
Lol. The power of the human will!