[FULL DEBATE] Dr. James White vs Voice of Reason
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- FULL DEBATE: "The Bible Teaches Catholic Authority NOT Sola Scriptura"
Voice of Reason and Dr. James White. Special thank you to Dr. James White, Breathe Reformed Baptist Church and Inferno Men for putting all of this together.
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Felt the Holy Spirit flowing through you brother! Made us Catholics proud. God bless.
I was jumping up and down like if I was watching a boxing match, our champion 🏆 won!!!
You guys aren’t the only proud Catholics that were jumping up and down lol God Bless 🙏🏼
@@yaboidroopy_1442huh?
@@yaboidroopy_1442 Did you mean "aren't?"
@@snoopy3587 The world is craving #DebateBoxing. Nature demands it.
As an Orthodox Christian, I am proud that Alex represented the Apostolic Church there. Great job ! Glory to Jesus Christ ! 🙏☦️✝️🙏
Yeah, but he makes us look bad whenever he argues for the Pope. Most people can clearly see it's nonsense.
@@silverecho1201 Said no one that has put attention, ever.
As a Greek Orthodox I thought White did well with his presup argument. Alex doesnt believe what we believe, he believes in sola scriptura but with the papal documents. They believe tradition is lower than the popes teachings. Not only that, but there is no infallible list of infallible texts. Do unbaptized babies go to Heaven or Hell? Trad Caths and Norvus Ordo disagree. Do the Orthodox have valid sacraments? Trad Caths and Norvus Ordo disagree. Is Palamism allowed? Trad Caths and Norvus Ordo disagree. Are Gregory Palamas, Mark of Ephesus, St Photius the Great and others who said “The Latins listen to Satan with their fillioque doctrine”Saints? You guessed it! There’s disagreement! And the problem is as a protestant you only have 66 books to try to interpret the meaning of. As a Catholic, you have thousands!
@@silverecho1201- your forefathers sure didn’t think it was nonsense when they deferred to the Pope. Sorry, we have the documents to prove it. Your forefathers shouldn’t have put it in writing if they wanted to leave you guys with wiggle room. 😂
@silverecho1201 Jesus's Church is Jesus's Church. We are not the judges, we will be judged individually and how we judged we will also be judged. The gates of hell will never prevail against my church Jesus said and I believe him 100%.
Voice of reason, I watched your videos for 1 month now.. I am a new christian, I just want to say I attended the Catholic church for the first time this Sunday. It was seriously the best experience of my life. I had a tough road before I opened my heart to christ. And attending the Catholic church gave me such a fulfilment I cant explain it in words.
Im just reaching out to tell you! You are doing god's work and really giving me insight to research more about these topics. Please continue to do what your are doing, and the way you carry yourself.
All glory to jesus christ!
Catholic * sorry I don’t mean to nitpick. It’s awesome you went. But the spelling was wrong
@@Jo3K1ng3 I update it, thank you. I have a vision disorder so it's hard for me to review text I wrote.
God bless you.
Good for you
The mass is the closest way to get to Jesus on earth, Heaven is opened during the mass, and the bread is turned into the flesh of Christ. If you join you get to do what John 6 talks about.
I love my Catholic church. We don't have the most beautiful parish, and probably least charismatic Holy Father, so experience wise it is probably not the best. But the sincerity and love of people and our Holy Father feel right.❤
14:08 Alex opening statement
31:23 James White opening statement
49:20 James White rebuttal
56:22 Alex rebuttal
01:04:27 James White 2nd rebuttal
01:11:40 Alex 2nd rebuttal
01:20:20 cross examination, Alex asks
01:31:00 cross examination, James White asks
01:42:25 Q&A
01:59:58 closing statements Alex
02:04:06 closing statements James White
Blessed are the timestampers!
@@nathanielblaney1631 blessed are they are indeed!
Thanks brother
Literally had to wait 14:08 for the debate to start.
What's the time stamp when james white converted to Catholicism?
As a Catholic, I learned a lot and realized that I have so much more to learn. Que Viva Cristo Rey!
Agree...
VIVA!!!
@@maryblanc2289 QUE VIVA
Que viva 🙏
Viva Cristo Rey
Alex, keep your bags packed. You’re gonna be in demand to do debates from now on. Great job!
100%
Catholics, keep your bags packed to run from Catholicism when your church begins to marry or give blessings to homosexual marriages!
I agree
Being a good debater is only good if you are speaking the Truth. Too bad Alex doesn't tell the truth.
@bebepintobean The reason it's not truthful is because God says it's not true
It has nothing to do with me. Your not arguing with me, your argument is with God.
I've been going to a Catholic church lately, after being raised protestant. After 41 years of different protestant denominations, I never felt the presence of God like I do during Mass. I still have some concerns/worries about some of the dogmas due to being raised scripture only, but you helped me with understanding more of the apostolic succession with this debate. Thank you!
It is counterintuitive. When you finally are able to submit your will fully to Jesus in His Church, you will feel a freedom and Truth like you never before thought possible. It is amazing. Blessings on your journey.
Join RCIA. My wife and I went through it when we converted. Find a parish that has a good RCIA program and a good priest.
Praying for you and your journey to the true Church 🤍 God bless you
As a son,grandson, nephew and cousin of sincere and faithful Baptist Pastors I became a Catholic after reading the Church Fathers. Go for it!
Go to adoriation
Bro I'm a staunch reformed baptist I go to a presbyterian church but now I'm really really considering Catholicism. You did such a good job and I'm going to keep following you so I can continue to learn praise the lord
That is great!
I did and my kids have/are converted. They say this is the happiest they have ever been
I don't know what to do to get me over the line I feel I'm so close
@@HipHopTV_Official Contact the Journey Home Program of Marcus Grodi, perhaps they have some suggestions.
God bless you brother, aside from your family and friends, the angels and saints in heaven will be having a fiest on your baptism day
Voice of Reason... you make me proud for being a Catholic, thank you so much for defending the church of Christ against misinterpretation and lies from its critics. I wish I had the same wisdom as you. God Bless you🙏📿
Do you know Jesus Christ?
What sort of question is that? ...all these prots😂@@samuelotache9239
@@samuelotache9239..... who is He?
Waw waw waw Alex i am proud of you and being catholic i am from Ethiopiya let God bless you more and more
So proud of you, Alex!
Absolutely masterful opening statement !
Not only that he absolutely stumped the one and only James White ! When you talked about everyone who receives the gift of the Holy Spirit is now God breathed. He couldn’t get his thoughts together.!
Alex first public debate he absolutely decimated a guy with 190 debates under his belt . Thank you for representing our faith so well.
That was hard work and the Holy Spirt.
Biased much? Do you really believe that drivel? You need to watch a few more times .
After hearing Dr. James White... my Catholic faith has gotten 10x stronger 💪
Amen!
Instead of worry about James White. Worry about God. Because catholics are sinners, they don't know God.
Commenting something just because it sound good, while at the same time you know it’s a lie. JW refuted the claims of Rome in this debate again, thank God for his ministry.
Mormons says the same thing when their faith is challenged. Sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself 🙃
@@Mariano-hc4yk JW is an excellent debater. And yes, his ministry is a blessing. He is a very good man.
Reformed Baptist here, I’d just like to say that these conversations are invaluable. God bless both the speakers.
Funny how the Catholic used more scripture than the Protestant. 😅
Like always lol protestants going by thier own words and not scripture
@@exmanolive305 Yeah, that is interesting, I wonder why..?🤔🤫
@@BryanVidal-qj4xd shut up Jimmy fan boy watch the debate and study the church history
@@BryanVidal-qj4xdIt’s because he is taking the affirmative stance in the debate. This requires him to cover more bases and establish the premises that the negative (James White) will rebutt.
@@lr6093 I just did
You handled yourself amazingly Alex! We are so blessed to have you represent us and I’m glad you had fun
It’s funny how they turned off the comments of this video in the Protestant channel after seeing all the comments saying Alex won the debate lol.
I just realized it this morning and it’s disappointing because Alex was getting a lot of support and love in those comments.. confused why they would turn the comments off 🤔
They tirned the commenting off?! Hahaahahhaaaa
Of course they did typical.
@@yvetteestevez8660 Because Liberals don't like opposing opinions
😂
Guys, Alex went to Confession, Mass, and received the Eucharist before this debate. God was truly with him. God bless you Alex! Thank you for defending the one true Church🩷
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Therefore, put on the armor of God, that you may be able to resist on the evil day and, having done everything, to hold your ground.i
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So stand fast with your loins girded in truth, clothed with righteousness as a breastplate,j
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and your feet shod in readiness for the gospel of peace.k
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In all circumstances, hold faith as a shield, to quench all [the] flaming arrows of the evil one.l
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And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.m
13 Therefore, put on the armor of God, that you may be able to resist on the evil day and, having done everything, to hold your ground.i
14 So stand fast with your loins girded in truth, clothed with righteousness as a breastplate,j
15 and your feet shod in readiness for the gospel of peace.k
16 In all circumstances, hold faith as a shield, to quench all [the] flaming arrows of the evil one.l
17 And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.m
confessing to a "priest" is not biblical. we are told to confess to one another and God. Mass is not biblical, it is no where to be found. You see it later on in some of the early church fathers writings. Also, the Eucharist while extrremly important, is NOT the actual body and blood of Christ. Most importantly, doing these WORKS, isn't whar would attach God and have God be with him.
@dfacedagame Hebrews says that God will appoint priests among men for the forgiveness of sins, no one is to take it upon themselves
Very true! And many many prayed rosaries for him 🙏🏻
I’m Orthodox and the Catholic dude was awesome
W :D
Alex you are the man proud Catholic ❤
We're together on the path for Salvation, brother
we neeed to come back tiogether
@@CheloFN153 Unam, Sanctam, Catholicam et Apostolicam
Glory to Jesus Christ! So glad we have you on the Catholic side. I am a life long Byzantine Catholic
amen
You're a legendary Christian
It’s scary, Dr. White’s essential argument boils down to “other denominations teach false doctrine because they don’t adhere to ‘sound sola scriptura’.” Individual relativism at its core masked as objective truth.
Alex, your debating and knowledge skills is superb. You’ve truly outdone and proven yourself a true defender of the faith. David vs Goliath.
It's peak circular reasoning.
@@MeanBeanComedy Exactly. “I’m right because I read the Bible correctly.” How do you know? “Because I read the Bible correctly.”
Exactly! And don't forget he also says: "... and *_only I_* have a sound sola scriptura understanding!" Which is a self-defeating circular reasoning.
Believing the pope to get it right does not get you out of private interpretation. You are just delegating it to one man and often times biting your own tongue and stuffing down your own convictions to do so.
@@lifewasgiventous1614 It’s not a private interpretation. Catholic Church gets out of that circular reasoning because it’s the Holy Spirit that protected the councils and papal ex-cathedra
“Catholic Ecclesia read the Bible correctly because the Holy Spirit guided His Church away from error.” How do you know that? “Jesus Christ promised His Church He’d send the Holy Spirit to His Cburch to guide them to ALL truths, FOREVER in both sacred writings and sacred traditions.”
Need prayers. I have finally doubted my non-denominational church and I am looking at Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I want to seek the truth.
May our Good Lord continue to guide you to the truth. In your humility you will reach the truth. Some things will be hard to accept on the surface but dig deeper and you'll find the truth and richness of the faith and we will welcome you home with loving arms. All the best.
💙🙏💙
I’m a convert from protestantism, my childhood in a Methodist church, teen years involved with young life, college and young adult visiting many “non denominational” churches, finally married into a wonderful lutheran family where I was blessed for many years, until about 10 years ago, into middle age, I was feeling very concerned about the increasing troubling things going on in the culture and effecting many churches … came across some Catholic converts on UA-cam and one thing lead to another until eventually I realized I needed to be received into the Catholic Church.
I pray you will experience a fruitful faith joinery, all the way “home” ♥️ to where you will find the fullness of the Christian faith.
God bless you.
You won't find it in neither of these two friend. Read the Bible and pray to God the Father through Jesus Christ and He will show you place to go.
@@irkairenka8552don't you think that Catholics do that?
@@irkairenka8552:
I'm sure you know that the Holy Bible is a Catholic book, and that Catholics pray the Bible every day.
I hope that you will also read your Bible.
I have to admit, when I saw this upcoming debate, I thought James White was going to destroy you. I am extremely proud of you for your knowledge and temperament. You won hands down. You laid out the case for Catholicism as well or better than many of the professional apologists.
I'm a protestant, and I'm amazed how God humbled me watching this.
One of the main purposes of our religion is to teach us a proper humility before the Creator and sustainer of the Universe. I learned this after I reverted back to the Catholic Church.
God bless you brother. ❤
Bless you.🙏🏻❤️
May we all learn to be humble above all. Thank you for your comment it bears light.
@@PatrickSteilyou’re on wide road
They turned off comments due to the overwhelming agreement that Alex won the debate
I was going to say that. Also, Did you see the full debate, if so when Dr. White was speaking did he address Alex's 10 points? i don't think so but do you think he did? (Did anyone notice this? lol)
He had nothing on Alex. If that's their best, I feel sorry for them.
@@josealbertogenao2116 He did respond to all ten points. Some at the end of his opening and the others in the rebuttal.
@@dogescout5868 i guess i missed it. he went on a tanget and i got confused. lol
This is like a student who is over prepared for their thesis and the lecturer is left speechless to the point of asking how many languages a particular book was written in.😅
I caught that too. You'd think that someone who's been debating almost as long as I've been alive (40yo) would be better prepared for a debate regarding a key tenet of Protestant doctrine, but no. Dr. White is still basking in the glory of prior debates rather than looking to what he's doing now.
@@LaEsoterica you're house is built on sand. pathetic
@@tapiwamusakanya1686 😆 🤣 😂
Voice of reason claims that the catholic claim of infallible authority would be falsified if it ever proclaimed homosexual marriage to be ok.
That criteria of falsifiability cannot be justified under the roman catholic worldview without collapsing the entire system under the implications of his claim.
Because what you are doing when you make a statement like that is saying that you as an individual have the power to judge the roman catholic leaders to be in such egregious and obvious error that we now have no choice but to conclude their claims of infallible authority are false.
But according to Rome you don’t have that ability to judge them.
You don’t have the authority to interpret scripture for yourself to show why Rome is wrong.
You don’t have the authority to interpret history, councils, church or papal writings, to determine whether or not Rome has violated and contradicted it’s past tradition and teachings.
Rome says only Rome has that authority. Rome says you need Rome to tell you whether or not Rome is in error. But Rome has investigated themselves and found themselves to be innocent of any wrongdoing.
All you can do, according to rome, is simply put blind faith in their claim to be infallible. You aren’t allow to actually judge their claims for yourself by testing the validity of their claims against scripture and history because you are fallible and rome says you got it wrong.
If Rome decrees tomorrow that homosexual marriage is ok, and claims that they have interpreted church history and scripture to be consistent with this new decree, then you as a roman catholic have no way of telling them they are wrong. You are required to simply accept their decree as true by blind faith in the institution.
The moment you introduce the possibility that you can use your own logic and discernment to tell Rome they are wrong you are doing exactly what the protestants have already done. You admit therefore that the protestants were justified in rejecting Rome’s authority.
@@AAA-qr8yy Rome says that if it were to contradict infallibly defined teaching by defining some other infallible teaching then its magisterial authority would be falsified.
Alex you crushed that opening statement, James White in his opening statement immediately started spouting misrepresentations of papal infallibility
Actually its pretty straightforward to understand. If you pay attention to the beginning the debate is not on sola scriptura but on the catholic teaching authority. So instead of focusing on sola scriptura he talks about the catholic teaching authority and his whole point is the "infallible" catholic teaching authority contradicts itself historically and therefore could not be considered infallible in any way. This doesn't vindicate sola scriptura by any means whatsoever but Mr. White's point still stands.
Papacy is wrong lol. I've listened to this. Papacy is false.
Gavin Ortlund Why I Don't Accept The Papacy
"Peter is not the rock in his person or in his ecclesial role or office. Rather, Peter is the rock insofar as he is a representative of faith, or he is a symbol. For example, Ambrose is often quoted out of context when people quote him as saying, "Where Peter is, there the Church is."
But if you keep reading Ambrose, here's the fuller quote:
"When Peter heard, 'Who do you say that I am?' immediately, not mindful of his station, he exercised his primacy. That is, what kind of primacy? The primacy of confession, not of honor; the primacy of belief, not of rank. This, then, is Peter, who has replied for the rest of the apostles, or rather, before the rest of men. And so he is called the foundation because he knows how to preserve not only his own but the common foundation. Faith, then, is the foundation of the Church, for it was said not of Peter's flesh, but of his faith, that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
"Now, how do we know that that's really what Ambrose means? Because in other passages, he explicitly identifies Christ as the rock on which the Church is built and basically says, "Be a rock like Peter." You see how the logic works: Christ is the rock, so confess this rock, and you are also.If our interpretation of Matthew 16 follows the cues of the Church Fathers, then we will not arrive at an interpretation that is favorable to the papacy, to the Roman Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16. We just won't. For the Church Fathers, the rock on which the Church was built fundamentally was Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the apostles in their witness to Him. What emerges from all this, I would say, is just that the exegetical basis for this doctrine is very slender. Because what you have to get to the papacy is not just the notion that Peter has this foundational role in the Church, and however specifically he has that, but that he has it in such a way that it could be handed off subsequently to the subsequent Roman bishops."
"You need more than that to get to the papacy. So here's the way I would make the appeal: the doctrine of the papacy is a massively significant issue. I mean, I would say it's the main issue that separates Protestants and Catholics, and probably Catholics and Orthodox as well. It has to do with authority; everything else sort of falls out from this doctrine. If you buy into it, it affects the entire way you will proceed theologically and just as a Christian.
For such a massive doctrine, you'd want a strong biblical foundation. You'd want a number of passages, or at least a couple of clear passages. You'd want something that basically says, if not in these exact words, in some way, "there's going to be a pope." And that's not unreasonable to expect. We have passages like Ephesians 4 that talk about the unity of the Church and the offices of the Church serving the unity of the Church: one Lord, one faith, one baptism. You'd expect there to be something that indicates there's going to be a head of the Church on earth.
And we just don't have that. We have a couple of passages, mainly one passage in terms of where you really get into the issues of infallibility with the binding and loosing imagery and that kind of stuff. And this passage is very ambiguous. If we're following the Church Fathers, we will not clearly arrive at an interpretation that favors the papacy. We just don't have a strong exegetical base for this massive doctrine."
"There's no evidence that the Roman bishop was the head over these other bishops. It looks like you have a plurality of bishops where the more prominent cities have a more prominent role, but none of them is the head over all the others. And then, if you just step back and look at the big picture, there's just not much that would lead you to think in those first several centuries that the Roman bishop had some kind of universal or preeminent role, what we call the primacy of the Roman see. There's just not that much historical evidence for it. You don't have prominent things written from Rome early on, like the Shepherd of Hermas or Ignatius's letter to Rome, that even really talk about there being a pope there. In fact, or just who the bishop is even. Of course, the word 'pope' itself was also not exclusive to Rome. From the third century onward, the bishop of every major Western city, and then several in the East as well, was called pope, which simply means father. All the other titles that eventually came to the Roman bishop were used of others. Athanasius was called the prince or the priest, prince of priests; that was it. The term 'father of fathers' was used for several other bishops, like John of Constantinople. Eventually, all these titles kind of collected for the Roman bishop, but for several centuries, you don't really have any sort of even whether in terminology or in role, any special emphasis upon the Roman bishop. Now, there are various ways people will dispute this, and one of the ways they'll do so is by looking at various things the Roman bishop does do. So one would be the letter of Clement to the Church in Corinth, and I've never found this a very strong appeal because there are lots of bishops who write letters to other churches, and it doesn't prove universal jurisdiction in any way."
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@@Sanfu69 How does his point stand exactly? White struggles with the multilayered structure of Catholicism in terms of teaching authority and the weight of authority that any individual document or pronouncement may have.
@@samuelaguilar9668 Um, brother Gavin Ortlund has been proven to be false many times. Look at the responses done by William Albrecht, especially the ones where the literally called the scholars that Ortlund cited and they said Ortlund misrepresented them.
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Man, this was such a treat. It was great to not only see you crush it on the debate stage, but to show such love and respect for Dr. White. It seemed your humility did a lot to win him over, even if the disagreements remained. Thank you for representing the Catholic faith so well, Alex!
Also, as others have already pointed out, that opening statement is probably the best I’ve heard in a debate ever.
THIS ISN'T FAIR! Alex has 2,000 yrs of doctrinal knowledge & thoroughly defined biblical interpretation - all handed down by the apostles and the magisterium!!
Yeah! And James White only got 500 yrs of tradition of man.
@@digita1aj He made no sense, and you're just lying to yourself.
Roman Collegium of Pontiffs - you are heathen pagans. You're Holy Father is the Pope, God is not your Father, or you wouldn't be confused.
@@digita1aj Worse! He believe he was predestinated to lose the debate!
@@alexandregb566, LOL!😂😅😊
JW just merely has the presuppositions of his 16 th century idol John Calvin.
I'm not gonna lie. I used to hate this guy. I always felt like his arguments were terrible, but I've recently converted and am now watching this rooting for Alex.
Same here, I wasn’t too impressed with past content and arguments, I thought it was gonna be a bloodbath against James. But I was so wrong. Happy to see his growth
@@bioof4 “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us..” (1 John 2:19-21)
@@johnmays2486 True, Sir. He is in the True Church of Christ, the Apostolic Church, instead of a self-claimed modern interpretation Church that professes to be the Truth. Now he has come back to the Father, just like in the Parable of the P-ro-di-ga-l Son.
It isn't a debate featuring James White if he doesn't mention at least one time his previous debate with Gerry Matatics.
who lost the debate
God bless Alex my Byzantine Catholic brother! Your on a role thanks to the Holy Spirit guiding and keeping you in the light of truth
The Byzantin catholicism refutes the Catholic Church..Have a look at this : ua-cam.com/video/LrSU0afdDrs/v-deo.html
Alex you are a credit to the Catholic Church you made us all so proud well done 🙏🏻🙏🏻
One of the best protestant vs Catholic debates ever. Alex u were amazing brother. Very impressive. 🔥
I think every Catholic should memorize Alex opening statemen for life. It should be mandatory. It's was masterful. I'm taking notes as well. Praise the Lord
how about memorising the bible? most of us haven't done much of that
@@Masowe.Why not both :)
@Furetto126 if you have finished memorising the bible then why not but I have not met anyone who memorised the whole bible. If you are a Catholic then you got even more books to memorise.
Coundn't agree more.
His opening statement is so amazing.
@@Masowe. Personally I haven't memorized the bible and I don't think that memorising for its sake is worth it, I would find it much much better to read it, understand it and pray with it to have a deep connection with the scripture that isn't mnemonic
Alex killed it, blessed to be Catholic
Heretic!
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@@thomasglass9491your the heretic. The catholic church is the true church of Jesus Christ.
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@@thomasglass9491 😂😂
Fantastic Job! You made all Catholics very proud!
Alex drawing on 2,000 years of Holy Spirit inspired truth and wisdom to crush a flawed personal interpretation of the Bible. Excellently done Alex!
Dude James White is literally a professor of early church history at Grace theological seminary. He knows more about church history in his pinky finger than you know about church history in your entire body.
@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 Dude, I think James White got his pinky stuck somewhere it shouldn’t be.
And sorry, I’m not familiar with Graceland or whatever that community college is.
@@Knight-of-the-Immaculata nevertheless he's a professor of early church history.
He will run circles around you if you want to talk about early church history.
@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 Thank you but no need! Alex already ran circles around him.
@@Knight-of-the-Immaculata That's not what I just witnessed.
But good luck with your probationary salvation and, you might want to confess to a priest for your attitude.
I am extremely proud of this young man Alex to defend our faith, to love you and respect you our Lord Jesus. 🙏 please dear Lord keep Alex healthy mentally, physically and spiritually so that he can keep spreading Your Divine Word. Alex full of the Holy Spirit
Thank you, Mr White! Every single debate you engage to you bring more souls to the catholic church.
Including his own sister.
Hey Alex, I've been a Christian for about a year now. I've been going to a Baptist church and I've been listening to a lot of these debates and you're the first one I've heard from the Catholic side I've felt really hold up well and against James White at that. Good job! There is definitely a lot to look into.
Hi Ryan, that's great that you are going to dig a bit deeper on some of the points raised! Fwiw, I've found the Catholic claims have by far the most evidence, but further than that the key Protestant claims such as sola scriptura *cannot* be true as they are illogical - it is classic circular logic to say that scripture can authenticate itself. Plus, we know people of good will can interpret the bible in different ways, including on key aspects - so there needs to be an authority to guide us as to what is the truth.
Anyway, sorry for my rant 😊. Best luck with your further research!
I was once an anti-Catholic, non-denominational, charismatic, evangelical, Luther-Bapti-costal for over 25 years. When by the power of the Holy Spirit, he began to remove my dispensationalist and calvinist filters, the Bible actually fit together like a jigsaw puzzle BETTER than when I was a protestant. It actually made more sense and ALL of the Catholic teachings are essentials, not just what we cherry pick them to be. Keep your search empowered by the Holy Spirit. Remove the filters and let God speak to you through both his scriptures and the authority on earth given to the succession of apostles. God bless, brother.
Take your time examining everything. I think when you are open minded, the truth will shine through quite visibly. I was anti-catholic for a long time myself and realized when I finally became Catholic, that not only was I wrong about my theology, but also anthropology and the way I perceived and lived my life. Our psychological faculties determine a lot of what we are inclined to believe. Catholicism was really scary to me, because it exposed where I inserted my own will to protect myself. But at the end of the day, I did not lose anything converting, even though what awaited me was way more demanding. However, as it was more demanding, it also became more fulfilling and actually something "tangible" if you will.
Dr White knows very well that Catholic is the true church of God and all the teachings, he just wanted to stand by what he wrote and what he already said from all his debates. Congrats Alex new subs here.
Orthodox here, well done Alex!!
Papacy
Alex your put smile on Jesus's face for defending his one true church..
Catholic from Uganda 🇺🇬. You nailed it Alex. At least it was that obvious!!
Also here following from Uganda😂
From Brazil, brother!
Better than pastaa! Right?
you are pathetic.
Amazing. I'm Catholic from Malaysia 😊❤✝️
Voice of reason, the first time I seen you on loftons videos last year I knew that you had the holy spirit dweling in you. You are a true warrior of the faith and hope to educate myself as well as you have with Catholic tradition and scripture. GOD BLESS YOU
I won't lie Alex, I was nervous for you simply based on who you were debating. You did a fantastic job, and I was super pleased to see how charitable Dr. White was in this debate. He seemed to genuinely enjoy the debate.
its a bad debate for alex,he sound like some random very uneducated dude in the comment section
@@ManlyServant go cope somewhere else
@@RenegadeCatholic correct,motivate yourself harder,you are talking to yourself right?,a healthy self-talk is good..
No, Alex just need more experience. But for same age and same experience, I think Alex is pretty good. James White just look and sound better ( not more convincing) because he has more experience in debating. When J.White is against Trent Horn or Jimmy Akins, we will see he just a normal person who overconfident with his own interpretation
Good job Alex, Catholics are proud of you
Being protestant pretty much all my life (Pentecostal) I've come to learn a lot of new things that made me realize how brainwashed I have been, and I'm saying this as humbly as possible, coming from someone that my grandma founded a church and my other grandmother from my father side was a preacher herself, God gave me a new chance at life like three months ago and right now I want to be where he wants me to be, and I ask him and the Holy Spirit to guide me, to find a church that I can grow by him and with my brothers and sisters. Thank you, Alex and may our Lord Jesus Christ bless you daily, because you had the courage to do this the proper way but objectively looking at this Dr. White came up short I was expecting more bible based arguments from his part, yet you did it, I don't know if I will end up in the Catholic Church but after this debate I'm hopeful I will and if not, I hope this serve's to a lot of protestants out there to look more into theology don't trust blindly on what a brother or a sister tells you or even a pastor, ask the Lord Jesus and dive deep into learning we cannot be ignorant at this day in age, I've learned more about Jesus these past couple months than I did since I was little / teenager / adult in the church, keeping in mind I went to a Pentecostal and a Nazarene church and now only God knows where he wants me. Thanks again Alex, God bless.
Powerful!
I was in a similar position 2 years ago. My dad, his dad, and my great great grandfather were all Baptist pastors. My dad has a master’s degree in divinity and I trusted him almost completely on theological matters…. Until I made some Catholic friends and they started asking me what verses meant and I didn’t even know those verses were in the Bible…. I’d ask my dad and his answers never made sense when compared to the answers I was getting from Catholics. I began to go to a local Parish nearly every day praying that God would lead me to the Church He wanted me to be in and He lead me home to the Catholic Church. I’m so unbelievably thankful He did because I can honestly say I never knew God relationally as a Protestant the way I do as a Catholic.
@@Ineedtruth1 God bless you, appreciate you sharing this with all of us.
Yes very true. I am also protestant but over the last 8 or so years have been journey through unpacking the tradition I inherited and have realised alot of the incoherence and ahistorical confusion of protestantism. Nonetheless, God met me in a protestant Church. A flawed offshoot of Christianity perhaps. But God met me here. I don't know where I will end up denomination wise in the future but I feel part of my job now is to be a signpost for other protestants in my tradition to expose them to the more ancient historically rooted theologically coherent Christian tradition, be it Catholic or E.O.
@@1991jj beautiful!
Alex honestly debated this topic better than Trent Horn and Jimmy Akin did.
Totally agree. I must admit that I was quite nervous for Alex, knowing who Dr Whitw is. Surprise, he amazingly handled this debate.
This is way better quality than the actual debate lol
I’m saying 😂
I didn't realize Sylvester Stalone felt so passionate about Catholicism
Italians and catholicism have a bond.
😂 That's what my wife just said.
I think the real guy actually is not sure 😂
@@aadschram5877 "Rome" is in Italy 😆 youre a genius
Saw the debate live, Alex you did great honestly. You were well prepared and had a counter for every point the Dr was trying to prove. Amazing job and congratulations
Thats what happens after going to confession ,,you have the holy spirit with you and Alex not only won but showed humility
As a convert to the Roman Catholic Church, I thoroughly enjoyed this! Alex, watching and listening to you talk is just reinforcing my Faith and assurance that I am on the straight and narrow!! You just gained another subscriber!!
Debunking sola scriptura by presenting a preponderance of evidence against it, using the scriptura itself, is brilliant! God bless you, Alex!
He didn’t present any evidence against it because he never justified his catholic presuppositions.
@@AAA-qr8yythat's not how that works. Pointing out that Sole Scripture is self refuting doesn't involve Catholic presumptions. You can be a none Christian and point out that problem.
@@ominoreg
Voice of reason claims that the catholic claim of infallible authority would be falsified if it ever proclaimed homosexual marriage to be ok.
That criteria of falsifiability cannot be justified under the roman catholic worldview without collapsing the entire system under the implications of his claim.
Because what you are doing when you make a statement like that is saying that you as an individual have the power to judge the roman catholic leaders to be in such egregious and obvious error that we now have no choice but to conclude their claims of infallible authority are false.
But according to Rome you don’t have that ability to judge them.
You don’t have the authority to interpret scripture for yourself to show why Rome is wrong.
You don’t have the authority to interpret history, councils, church or papal writings, to determine whether or not Rome has violated and contradicted it’s past tradition and teachings.
Rome says only Rome has that authority. Rome says you need Rome to tell you whether or not Rome is in error. But Rome has investigated themselves and found themselves to be innocent of any wrongdoing.
All you can do, according to rome, is simply put blind faith in their claim to be infallible. You aren’t allow to actually judge their claims for yourself by testing the validity of their claims against scripture and history because you are fallible and rome says you got it wrong.
If Rome decrees tomorrow that homosexual marriage is ok, and claims that they have interpreted church history and scripture to be consistent with this new decree, then you as a roman catholic have no way of telling them they are wrong. You are required to simply accept their decree as true by blind faith in the institution.
The moment you introduce the possibility that you can use your own logic and discernment to tell Rome they are wrong you are doing exactly what the protestants have already done. You admit therefore that the protestants were justified in rejecting Rome’s authority.
@@user-yw7pg2pl3v
You don’t know what you are talking about. He starts from the assumption that catholic claims are true and then looks for scriptures to try to fit that presupposition.
For instance, saying “the gates of hell will not prevail against my church” can be interpreted in more than one logically valid way.
You cannot read that verse by itself, in it’s context, and ever come to the conclusion that Jesus is saying he will set up an infallible teaching office in rome that all mankind will have to blindly submit regardless of who sits in the seat and how evil they are.
You have to start from that presupposition and then try to argue why you think that verse might be an indirect reference to it. Which is not a compelling or reasonable argument if one does not already start from believing your roman catholic presupposition is true.
@@AAA-qr8yy no see now you're making presumptions. We're talking about arguments against the presuppositions of Sole Scriptoria which as Alex said is inherently self refuting because it's a doctrine that can't be found in Scripture and as he also said, we can see Jesus and the apostles did not follow it as they practiced teachings and traditions that are not found in the Bible.
Sola Scriptoria itself is a Protestant presupposition that can't be justified.
I’ve never seen someone keep Dr. White that amicable. Well done sir.
He's been humbled enough times by now I guess.
I’m just going to say this as someone raised Protestant… in the age of the internet there’s no longer an excuse to be Protestant. You have all the ability to research the truth and join Christ’s church. Catholicism is Judaism fulfilled.
It's isn't Christ's church nor fulfilling Judaism.
@@Broooooo-ww7hw lol. Haven’t read history much I see.
@@orangemanbad I have read the bible, if that matters to you.
@@Broooooo-ww7hw good to hear! So you believe in catholicism. The Catholic Church provided the Bible. Since you believe it to be holy scripture that means you trusted the church to provide the canon. You’re making progress!
@@orangemanbad I bet you $100 he's an SDA. They are *convinced* that the most important thing about your salvation is when you go to church, but beyond that, they don't have much depth. Consistently the most annoying Christian denomination, and yet another "Great Awakening" spin-off from a false prophet, Ellen White.
As a convert from Protestantism directed to Dr. White's debates by my Baptist pastor, I'm just glad Dr. White just seems happy. I hope he converts!
He never will. His sister converted to Catholicism and he cut ties with her.
@@TokenWhiteGuyAGR That's a bleak outlook. "Nothing is impossible with God"
@@CrushingSerpents James White needs prayers but I don't respect people who disrespect the Blessed Mother.
Can you explain why no one witnessed the Assumption of Mary, no one recorded it etc The Resurrection was witnessed and recorded. The Assumption of Mary was made dogma, do you know in what year?
@@annodomini7250 First of all, no one witnessed the Assumption? Is that claim (in the negative) verifiable? Second, the year of a dogmatic declaration does not affect the truth, i.e. the pre-eminent Trinity pre-existed its dogmatic declaration, right?
Pending your response, the Catholic and Orthodox Churches both sacred-traditionally hold to the Blessed Virgin's Assumption/Dormition as historical, factual truth. Not sure why anyone cares to dispute that.
This is the most complete compilation and use of the better arguments Catholics have against sola scriptura. Well done Alex!
Great job Alex. So proud being Catholic. The true church Jesus founded.
pity your ignorance. apostate church( roman Catholic church) was never founded by jesus christ. but by the dragon, as illustrated in the book od revelation, on heresies. standing against jesus christ and his bride. you better start to study and research, before it's too late. food for thought "" Paul's man of sin in 2 thessalonians 2 vs 3, is the roman Catholic church Pope Office "" sorry, am blunt, but it's the fact many Christians don't know, because they have been brainwashed and deceived by the system of the dragon. revelation 12 vs 9.
that's why i admonish you many Christians to study and research for themselves or elsewhere regret will be inevitable.
pity your ignorance, apostate church, was never founded by jesus christ, but by the dragon as revealed in the book of revelation. an antichrist system that is against jesus christ and his bride, but disguising and parading herself as the one and true church. you better start to study and research, before it's too late. just a food for though.
Paul's man of sin in 2 thessalonians 2 vs 3, is no other, than the pope of the roman Catholic church, you won't know because you don't know of the 1260 year rule of the roman Catholic church, called the dark ages of the church, in which church and state (religion and government) was one, under the rulership of the roman Catholic Church, headed by the pope ( refer to as the vicar of jesus christ, if only you know what it means ). when truth was obscure and cast to the ground. sorry am blunt, but it's the fact that many Christians don't know because they have been brainwashed and deceived by the system. no wonder revelation 12 vs 9, made it clear that the dragon succeeded in deceiving the whole world except the elects. and if you are sincere to yourself, you cannot dare think that the roman Catholic church is the elect. you might see what am saying as nonsense, that's why i admonish you and every Christian to study and research the facts, if not regrets will be inevitable
You really brought a really good side out of James White, I never see him this gentle ever. Props to you brother. Pax Christi
This man is a great blessing to my parish, and we are all incredibly proud of you
Brother, please do me a favor and shake Alex's hand for me, and for everyone watching the debate!
@@GranMaese Done!
So grateful I came HOME to the Catholic Church this Easter vigil. Praise be to God. If you’re watching this and you’re a Protestant, Mormon, atheist, whatever you are. It’s time to come home my friend.
If I had any doubt to not convert to catholicism this video solidified why I absolutely should have zero doubts.
Your soul will not regret it in this life or the next. God's reaching out to you by sending you this great grace. Take it and run with it as you're looking at the fullness and completeness of the Christian faith revealed to man through the Church Christ established. Wish you the best
Thank you so very much for your strengthening words :)
My favorite answer from you was simple and straightforward “NO” 😂
My favorite comment was when they asked Alex his opinion on if the Pope were to bless gay marriage. When he responded with the catholic church would be a false religion people really didn’t know what to say.
I was once a Protestant. I was raised in it. I understand the emotion they have. But they don’t have the truth. To me the best analogy, catholicism is like being Prince William in the UK and Protestants are like Harry. William has the fullness of the royal family, all the traditions and family. While Harry is angry and on his own, stranded. Roaming the world trying to find his place.
Catholicism is like a ship, and Protestantism is like rafts following the Catholic ship
Prince Harry King of hearts ❤
That is strange that you said that because catholics dont follow Gods word.
@@TheTruthsOfOurFaithWhat nonsense? Every single Catholic Church follows God’s Word. Go attend some masses to dissolve your ignorance…
@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith We follow _all_ of His ordinances and law. You boiled down His Truth to mere symbols and metaphors, and you say WE don’t follow God’s words?
Alex, protestant here, I really appreciate your kindness and charity toward Dr White. He's a hero to my faith and it's sweet to see that you hold him high regard.
Glad I found my way into the One True Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church! Praise Jesus!
Orthodox here! Well done Alex! ☦️🔥🔥
Some battles are joint battles.
As an Orthodox myself I have always said, there are more things that unite us than divides us. Notice in the video that Alex, did his cross as we Orthodox do. Cause he understands the doctrines
Papacy
As a Protestant (Lutheran) I just gotta say, Alex absolutely ruled this debate. It was amazing to watch. God bless this man. 🙏🏻✝️
“The least protestant denomination of Protestants.”
“They aren’t real Protestants.”
Things I have heard non-Lutheran Protestants say.
So when are you converting ? lol
@@danieljamieson7831 A bunch of the arguments against Catholicism are also arguments against Lutheranism or are straw man versions of Lutheran arguments against Catholicism. It’s probably harder to disprove Lutheranism because proving things like baptism being part of a living faith or the real presence in the Eucharist don’t disprove Lutheranism.
@@danieljamieson7831Well, I’m not converting, I love my Church, but Catholics and Orthodox gotta be my favourite non-Lutherans. ^^
Lutherans would actually disagree with the understanding of Sola Scriptura that Baptists have, as we affirm other authorities besides the Bible.
@@karstenglowatzki1234Reformed here. I agree with you.
Alex did an outstanding job in this debate, using scriptural references and logical arguments impressively.
Unlike Dr. James, who spent much of his time criticizing the Church and skirting around the core issues, Alex provided a clear, fact-based perspective that strengthened my faith immensely.
The fact that the comments are turned off on the same video uploaded by the other party's channel is pretty telling about who came out on top.
It's obvious that the Holy Spirit guided him throughout. This is a must-watch for everyone.
Alex, May God bless you abundantly with wisdom and strength to continue His work, and in your evangelistic efforts, bring many to Jesus through the one true holy Catholic Church.
Viva la Cristo !✝️
I’m Orthodox but am nevertheless proud of the way the Apostolic Churches were represented here. He said a lot of stuff that I suspect he got from Orthodox sources, which I think is a good thing. Orthodox and Catholic Christians should rely on each other in certain areas. Also, I think Mr. White has a fundamental misunderstanding of Church councils. He kept mentioning that certain councils had more bishops on attendance than others, as if that matters. The numbers are irrelevant. What matters is who is in attendance (or whose delegates are in attendance) and that the entire Church is represented. The Iconoclast Council of Hieria had more bishops than Nicea II, but not a single patriarch (or delegate) was there. This is a key fact that I think a lot of Protestants simply don’t understand. They treat the councils as an exercise of democracy, rather than an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
Orthordox and catholics sgould reuniute. If the koptics do it first, the others will follow
They aren’t apostolic
Papcay
@@lovegod8582 That is the term by which they have been known since around the fifth century. Even when the Assyrians, and later the Orientals, became schismatics, the Church continued to acknowledge their apostolicity. Theologians and Christian scholars have used the term to collectively refer to Catholics, Orthodox, Orientals and Assyrians since Christianity first became an academic discipline. Considering as much, I don’t know why we would not also use the term to refer to those groups. I’m not even aware of an alternate term. What would you have us call them?
This will be my last debate, or research, before i decide if I'll become a Catholic or not.
🙏🏼
There are more you should learn about the Catholic Faith, the True Faith.
Do it. I did last Easter and I haven’t regretted it since. Now I can’t deny how much I love my Catholic faith and have found the one true church. Would never go back to Protestantism. The last straw was researching how these Protestant churches started and the chaos that it created like creating 5 wars in Europe over the course of a century or how the reformation created disobedience to divine authority like the pope and magisterium which influenced the enlightenment and French Revolution which have been disasters to mankind.
Praying for you🙏✝️❤️🔥
For anyone interested, after 54 minutes, and I'm giving my first impressions. I chose this because he just said something profound.
So far Dr White's argument seems to be encapsulated in: (paraphrasing) "Pope Francis said we could bless gays (he's wrong about that, at least in the sense he seems to be implying), and there's a long chaotic history in the Catholic Church, as it pertains to doctrine, therefore Sola Scriptura must be true".
He also claimed things about the Jews not accepting the Apocrypha/Deuterocanon books, which is perfectly a moot point, because Jews also reject the entire New Testament.
I know Dr White is responding to a bunch of points, but so far feel I've been taken on a wild red herring chase.
I'll be listening very closely for something that resembles an answer to a question I would pose: "How, if Sola Scriptura is true, was the Book of Luke added to the Bible?" And obviously, "where is Sola Scriptura in Scripture?"
I find the red herrings problematic. We'll see if there's an adjustment.
This is the first time I feel I’ve watched an apologist go against someone that truly knows the Bible and Church history. Last time I will watch an apologist vs apologist debate. Well done Alex.
Alex opens with Scripture James White opens with Pope bashing
Cause the Pope is a joke . Jesus is Lord He doesn't need a earthly representative on earth. The Pope is not in scriptures.
Because the pope claims to have the final authority here on earth to speak for the direction of the church which is extremely heretical. Just look at his issues on LGBTQ 🌈
The apostles would be rolling in their graves.
Pope bashing is what he like to highlight. 😂😂😂
Classic protestantism. “Protest-antism”
It’s only alive as an opposition.
You’ve obviously missed JW point. He’s pointing out how inconsistent RC has been over time, constantly evolving
100% Prodigy! I will keep praying for You, May your gift from God, Bring many conversions to the One True Holy Apostolic Mother Church.......
I've never seen James White squirm and be rattled by his opponent as much as this! White was clearly thrown at times by Alex knowledge and even tried to catch him out eg. The 666 616 translation.
White was clearly impressed by Alex and met his match. Not just by his knowledge and arguments but by Alex extreme humility in praising White fir the good things he has done in defending basic Christianity.
Alex's humility was a true testimony to the genuineness of his faith and it was very evident many protestants left that debate with many new questions!!
I especially love the banter about the Olympic blasphemy, and Alex says' we should team up and go sort them out" that was Gold!!! 🫡😄
White was genuinely humbled and enjoyed the back and forth.
A superb debate by a champion for Catholicism!!
*Literally every comment section of a White/Papist debate*: "I've never seen James White squirm and be rattled by his opponent as much as this!"
@@MichaelMannucci-fp7jb Yeah, but Alex's delivery was like a Mac truck crashing through his house of cards! 😆
@@metanoiafaith I know you need to believe that.
He corrected the Catholics mis understanding of 2 Peter1:20 in his opening statement. I shouldn’t be surprised Catholics don’t understand when someone is misusing scripture though
Alex came in prepared, Dr. White feels like he is tired of debating. Alex won no question.
I disagree
100% agree
I don't think Mr. White expected this level of knowledge and wisdom given by Holy Spirit.
@ericovalenzuela6248 Alex could have stood up there and talked about vegetables, and the consensus among you Roman Catholics would be the same, that he won. Whether you accept it or not, this is a hallmark of a cult.
Catholicism makes the most sense after watching this
Welcome friend
Amen.
100% agree
Welcome home!
The holy spirit is with you Alex praise God almighty!!!!! 👏 🎉 I been smiling since the debate.
As a catholic, and the first time you announced the debate on your tik tok, I honestly couldn't believe it. Then I thought "well for his first debate being with Dr. White, I'm sure he ain't gonna win it" but man you proved the opposite. You seemed more prepared as to someone who just kept bringing up passed debates over and over.
Keep up your work Alex! Been following you for a while now,!
Yes I admired him a lot d day of d debate he went to confession n attend mass.I believe he was guided by d Holy Spirit .j
With regard to the canon of scripture being infallibly defined in 1546... Dogmas are used to settle controversial issues. The Trinity was dogmatically defined at the Council of Nicaea. Does that mean the Church did not believe in the Trinity prior to 325? No. But the dogma was invoked to establish orthodoxy going forward. Starting in 382, the canon of scripture was uncontroversial until the reformation thus it did not need to be dogmatically defined. The dogma was only necessary after the protestant reformers challenged the canon.
I don't need this kind of debate coz I already know that the Catholic Chuch is the right one!
You do. Proverbs 18:13 He who answers a matter before he hears it-this is folly and disgrace to him.
@@javiergonzalez5809 that verse has nothing to do with the debate!
@@JuanTawa Yes it does. You say you "know" you're right, but you won't hear and test both sides of the conversation. The Bible calls people who do this foolish. Your position also demonstrates that James White was correct about this being a presuppositional issue. You presuppose your right and then see everything through that lens, but the Bible says to test and study things out. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
My belief is not bible alone period!
@@JuanTawa You’re welcome to believe what you like, but that doesn’t mean it’s true. I’m trying to be gentle here, but you’re literally proving James White to be correct. What is the basis by which you know your beliefs are true?
I can't believe they turned off the comments. Great job debating Alex!
Alex, I’ve seen debates with James white and Trent Horn, Patrick Madrid, and Jimmy Akin, and they all did great, all of them represented Catholics with full confidence and represented themselves with humility, and love. However after watching this debate with you, I can honestly say that you had answer for every question Dr. James White asked. Your response to his “God breathed” statement blew me out of the water! This was the first time where your rebuttal made sense and assured me that the Catholic Church is the true church of Jesus Christ.
James White is immediately setting up a straw man argument instead of arguing what the bible teaches. He is going to argue what he believes the pope teaches.
If you think the pope has the infallible authority to tell you what the Bible says, and you can’t tell him he is wrong, then we can’t even begin to talk about what the Bible says without first dealing with your bad epistemological presuppositions about papal authority and infallibility.
Everytime James White opens his mouth in a debate more people join the Catholic Church 😂
And more leave it.
James White couldn't even talk his own sister out of becoming Catholic.
such a pity. read the bible and you'll be a protestant and no time.
@@DarkHorseCrusader I believe we all have free will to choose. People make their own choices for their own reasons and no matter what others may say we still do what we wish. Take you, I disagree with your beliefs, so are you going to change them? no matter what argument I give however factual or verifiable even against logic you will still believe what you do. Dark Horse Crusader what a title you give yourself, not egotistical, proud or arrogant? It is immature, to say the least.
are you crazy or what
Catholic Strong🙏🏽❤
Quiet down woman
@@fourthplateau944..... just be humble....
@sandydepiedras6372 why is a woman telling me what to do?
@@fourthplateau944 ..... what did she told you?
@@sandydepiedras6372 you're the woman that's telling me what to do.
ALEX!! You outdid yourself brother! We are so proud of you man. Glory to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!
The Sola Scriptura debate was terrific! You did a wonderful job on it, Alex!
As someone who spent many years in New Mexico, I’m so proud seeing New Mexican standup and spreading the gospel of our Lord. Are used to attend Calvary of Albuquerque and when I was younger, I used to be SDA. But God’s grace, he led me back to the faith of my ancestors. The faith that we should’ve never abandoned.
Faith is supposed to be in GOD alone and in HIS word ALONE
@@adamguy33the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit One God Father Almighty 🕊✝️🕊
God bless you brother and your family... more power
@@adamguy33 and his word points to the Catholic church alone.
@@snoopy3587 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 only a brainwashed RCC member would say that...... JESUS said you search the scriptures because in them you think you have eternal life, but these scriptures testify of me(JESUS) its about the LORD JESUS... Not the RCC... Because it's not the 1 true church... Most RCC dont know what the real true church actually is
SUMMARY OF ALEX’S POSITIONS:
(WELL DONE, ALEX!)
Alex convincingly argues that the Catholic Church's teachings are the oldest and truest expressions of the Christian faith. His positions are solidly grounded in scripture, logical reasoning, and the writings of the Early Church Fathers. His comprehensive defense and compelling case underscores the continuity, authority, and unity of the Church established by Christ. Alex used more scripture than Protestant White, who actually had to go outside Sola Scriptura to defend and assert his points..
1. Ultimate Authority
Alex explains that while God is the supreme authority, He established the Church to interpret scripture and tradition infallibly, guided by the Holy Spirit. He points to Matthew 16:18-19 and John 14:26 to show Peter's foundational role and the Spirit’s guidance. Early Church Fathers like St. Irenaeus back this up, emphasizing the unbroken line of apostolic succession and the Church's role in preserving true doctrine.
2. Role of Scripture
Alex argues that scripture, while God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16-17), is part of a larger deposit of faith that also includes oral tradition (2 Thessalonians 2:15). The Church's Magisterium interprets these teachings. St. Basil the Great highlights the equal importance of written and oral traditions, underscoring the Church's role in maintaining doctrinal integrity.
3. Tradition and Church Authority
Both tradition and Church authority are crucial. 1 Timothy 3:15 calls the Church the pillar and foundation of truth, guided by the Spirit (John 16:13). St. Ignatius of Antioch underscores the necessity of adhering to the bishop and the presbytery, reflecting the early Church's hierarchical and authoritative structure.
4. Apostolic Succession
The apostles appointed successors to preserve teaching authority (Acts 1:20-26, 2 Timothy 2:2). St. Clement of Rome confirms this practice, ensuring doctrinal continuity through an unbroken line of succession. This succession safeguards the faith against distortions.
5. Role of the Pope and Magisterium
Jesus established Peter as the head of the Church (Matthew 16:18-19), entrusting him with pastoral authority (John 21:15-17). St. Cyprian of Carthage supports the primacy of Peter and the unity of the Church under his leadership, affirming the Catholic doctrine of the papacy and the Magisterium.
6. Historical Consistency
Alex maintains that the core doctrines of the Church have remained unchanged, even as pastoral practices adapt. Matthew 28:19-20 guarantees Christ’s perpetual presence, ensuring doctrinal continuity. St. Vincent of Lerins speaks to the universality and consistency of true doctrine, validating the Catholic claim of unaltered core teachings.
7. Biblical Canon
The Church, guided by the Holy Spirit (John 14:26), recognized and affirmed the canon of Scripture. Matthew 16:18-19 supports the Church’s authority to bind and loose, including defining the canon. St. Athanasius’ Festal Letter reflects the Church's discernment process, leading to the canon's affirmation.
8. Gnosticism and Early Heresies
Described as the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15), the Church preserved true teachings against heresies. 1 John 4:1-3 calls for discernment, a role fulfilled by the Church’s authoritative interpretation. St. Irenaeus’ work against heresies exemplifies this defense.
9. Modern Catholic Church Issues
Alex argues that the Church’s core doctrines remain consistent, even as pastoral practices evolve. Romans 12:2 encourages discernment and adaptation while maintaining fidelity to God’s will. St. Augustine’s writings support the Church’s understanding of apostolic teachings, ensuring relevance and faithfulness in contemporary contexts.
10. Unity in Truth
The unity of the Church is founded on adherence to apostolic teaching and authority. Jesus’ prayer for unity in John 17:21 underscores the necessity of one unified body, guided by the Church’s teaching authority. This unity is a testament to the truth of Catholic teachings, rooted in the earliest Christian traditions.
How can you lose a debate, when you walk with the truth 🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻
It happens. Sometimes, the person needs to be humbled
Well if we dont understand the Faith deeply enough, it can happen. That is one reason Protestantism has flourished. Because Catholics stopped studying apologetics. What a great time to be Catholic!
You did absolutely AMAZING, Alex!
I gotta be upfront, I was a bit scared for you debating White. He’s an excellent debater and can trip up Catholics many ways, but you held your ground and punched back harder! He was speechless a number of times too. Holy Spirit was working in you for the Truth, my brother.
You should debate Ortlund on Early Church practices to show his flaws, maybe he’ll wake up after a good explanation.
God bless you, Alex.
I was nervous too, I'm glad he prepared and even wen to confession and mass beforehand.
@@Jerome616 Wow, I had no idea he did that, too. He’s a great example of how to be a Christian.
Dr White was milking the last few minutes of the debate as an opportunity to defend himself as compared to Alex who was thanking him speaks volumes. Dr. White you just affirmed my faith and Alex, you made me feel so proud to be a faithful Catholic till my last breath. Well done, Alex 👏🙏✝️! We, your brothers and sisters are so proud of you.
You can be faithfull to Catholicism and the catholic church until the end and miss heaven and eternal life , but believing the world and trusting the bible as a sole inspired word of God will asure you eternal Salvation.
So James White DOES NOT defend or prove Sola Scriptura, he DOESN'T defend protestantism, he ONLY attacks the Catholic Church. Having a possible anti-pope is not anything new in Catholic history, so what happens? Jump ship? No, the Lord said the gates of hell wont prevail, the anti-pope dies, the next is appointed and the teaching is preserved. This is not an argument, the pope is only infallible a specific situation on specific matters.
Right. I am Catholic because I Trust the Bible when it tells me that that the Church has authority to teach, baptize, determine proper doctrine and even define the canon of Scripture.
I am not Catholic because I believe in the teachings of any current Pope, Bishop or Priest.
The Bible never promised that the church would be full of men who were sinless.
JW and all of Protestantism denounces the authority of the Church to determine proper doctrine, but accepts their own authority to determine proper doctrine. Makes no sense.
Let’s all get on the same team for the salvation of the world that desperately needs the Truth of Christ.
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Dr whites role in this is to attack the argument. Not defend his. In the beginning it says he is the negation and Alex is the affirmative. This is how most debates work.
Satan must have been doing a great job of keeping catholicms alive up to present if catholicism is false. 😁
UT IN OMNIBUS GLORIFICETUR DEUS! 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
Keep dreaming... Francis already prepare His retirement selecting liberals for the most archbishops...
That Is the problem equaling "The Church" with a supranational human organization ruled by one cuasi infalible man
Protestant to Catholic because of thoroughly research and bible study historically and theologically.
Catholic to a Christian because I READ THE BIBLE.
Oh and how could I continue to partake in Paganism and the idolotry of the Catholic "church" after reading His Word.
@@dfacedagame Catholics are Christian. I became Catholic because I studied historically and theologically the Bible.
@@dfacedagameCatholics read the Bible and are Christian’s but cool
First time listening to Alex and Dr White. Wow! Alex smashed it for me. I was brought up Catholic, but last 20 years stopped practising catholicism and have been evangelical. Am finding my way back to Catholicism! Praise God for people like Alex.
Alex won the debate hands down, Dr White didn't bring a good argument, and deflected, talked about himself & having futher debates elsewhere, instead of sticking to this debate.
You obviously are biased for Catholicism because James gave very good arguments , you just weren’t listening.
James White: When I go into another church I only need my Greek Bible (as he holds it up ) to defend and support anything…
Meanwhile- James White tells everyone to read Athanasius (a Catholic Bishop) … and cites Athanasius more during this debate than he does scripture.
I think that's a strategy to suit the opponent's bias? But yeah he was destroyed
Quoting the church fathers is a self own? Tell me more catholics.
This is probably the best debate on Sola scriptura.
Alex, you're a great representative for our Catholic faith. This was the best debate I've watched with James White in it. He either is getting more mild with age, or you had an impact on him that he didn't throw nasty attacks.
It seems that he respects you a lot.
After this debate, my respect for Mr White has begun to grow.
You're such a well-rounded apologist, brother.
I don't think James White knows how the Catholic Magisterium really works.
He’s only been doing these debates for like 30 years, so understandably he hasn’t had much time to do the research.
BuT DiD THey SaY ThAT?
James been doing this his whole life loll
Does the average Catholic have a copy of the Magisterium? And how can I get a copy of one?
@@marcdavidson3676 The Magisterium generally refers to the teaching authority of Rome. It's not a document, but the Catechism of the Catholic Church is a great summation of its teachings.
James White: making Catholic converts since the early 90s. 😮😅