Maybe a mode where the bigger the fruit, the lighter it is so cherries and strawberries would just carve through and plummet to the bottom while pushing everything out of the way
I think the reason the fruit are so bouncy in this one is because Pico-8 does not have it's own physics engine and the engine is specifically designed to be limited (With the whole limitation brews innovation thing). And when it comes to making a physics system in an engine that doesn't have a one, if you don't know what you're doing the best you can do is "Am I in a thing? Yes? Get me out of there.", and since everything is touching everything they are constantly entering and exiting each other, causing the bouncing.
As someone who's made a circle stacking physics prototype in pico-8 before this is really difficult to actually get running at decent performance for more than 10 circles. All the bouncing is probably necessary to be able to get this running at more than 5 FPS lol
I want everyone to know I usually have these Suika weeks on while eating dinner. When Jacob CLUTHED with the grape I fully put down my meal to be entranced in this game in a way no other Suika has made me before. Now I have cold mac and cheese but I wouldn’t trade it for anything else. Edit: I reheated my Mac and Cheese! :3
@@strawberryqueen0382no for sure it was, I was so done when I thought the mac and cheese was cold but then I saw the reheat and I was like we're so back
The issue with the momentum seems like fruits don't lose it over time, only when they impact other ones. So the force isn't loss unless there's a match, so something small stuck at the bottom essentially becomes this supercharged gear that continually spins faster and faster, occasionally making things around it spin Edit: ok I guess the gear metaphor was closer than i thought. Small things going at a decent rpm translate that exact rpm to something larger, and the larger one just gets more force and fucks your run
It also seems like there’s magnetism involved which makes the movement even more chaotic. The way fruits “miraculously” fly across the screen to combine with and the relative calmness when there’s only unique fruits makes me feel like a code is implemented to keep fruits that can be combined moving and draw them unnaturally towards each other. But with all the fruits fighting each other it just becomes a bouncy house of unnatural force.
Considering that this is pico-8 I can almost promise you that the spinning of the fruit is purely visual. There is absolutely no way that they implemented rotational friction and torque transfer in what is essentially Basic. Heck, they had to "cheat" with the collision detection to get it to run at a decent frame rate.
the pixel ones like this have by far the nicest combination of interface elements and the actual game (with the pixel text and all), so they actually look the most polished to me… really nice work by the dev
I feel like the Suika game genre is burned into my mind now. I have never played the original and yet from watching these videos I have an extensive tier list of which Suikalikes are good and which aren’t.
Thanks for playing my demake! Whenever I get to update the game to "fix" the physics, I'll keep the jittery physics as an option as it seems everyone has a love/hate relationship with it.
@@DirectorOfChaos9292 nope. the jittery physics end up jiggling the fruits through gaps and slide around a lot that they merge by themselves. I'm not really sure why friction doesn't seem to work that well in this physics engine the game is using.
the way these fruits were being tossed around like it’s fruit salad just made it that much more tense, honestly one of the most stressful suikas to watch you guys play yet, extremely entertaining
If you guys create a Suika-like tier list then we can finally create the ultimate Suika-like, where the evolution just goes through all the different Suika-likes and ends on the Watermelon from the original. Once you create a tier list I'll be all over making something like that.
This suika journey reminds me of a project I’m working on with friends where we create an absurd amount of pieces of media about art galleries that always have the line “this one, this one right here” baked in.
Hi Alpha, hi Jo. Second day of suggesting my own suika clone, Watermelon Monsters on Itch. Just in case you haven't decided yet the last suika game. Also can't wait to see what you prepared for december.
its interesting to see the different solutions to how to make this game fun. The Touhou game had similar sprites attracted to eachother with a smaller than their size hitbox, this game just removes friction as a factor entirely.
So it's absolutely based on where the center of a piece is it looks like, if a cherry pops up you're done it's just immediately over, same with most medium sized fruits but the watermelon has a lot more give because it's so much bigger and the center of it is all that matters this one looks really fun and a lot more challenging but when things just bounce into place it's so much more hype than it has any right to be for a suika game
Now that we've gotten so many good suikas in a row I feel the need to get people into Suika month but I already know I'll look crazy telling them "No I swear it gets GOOD"
I teach kids aged 6-15 who are OBSESSED with suika game and who don't speak English so wouldn't find out about this game. Do you realize I have the chance for the prank of a lifetime??
I agree that if feels like the fruits are trying to escape, but it's not like they are trapped there against their will, it feels more like kids waiting for class to end to go to recess
I think my mind got so much exposion to indie horror games, that I'm expecting any moment the screen to go dark and all the fruits to be bloody as some shadowy figure creeps closer to the screen.
The chaotic nature of this game makes me think that the ultimate suika should have a customizable bouyancy
Oh god. The perfect suika, pieces can go from the weight of an anvil or a helium balloon.
I remember Jacob saying that his perfect suika would have a strength throw slider or something like that
Suika shapes has that!
@@tylercoon1791suika shapes also has that 😭
Maybe a mode where the bigger the fruit, the lighter it is so cherries and strawberries would just carve through and plummet to the bottom while pushing everything out of the way
I think the reason the fruit are so bouncy in this one is because Pico-8 does not have it's own physics engine and the engine is specifically designed to be limited (With the whole limitation brews innovation thing). And when it comes to making a physics system in an engine that doesn't have a one, if you don't know what you're doing the best you can do is "Am I in a thing? Yes? Get me out of there.", and since everything is touching everything they are constantly entering and exiting each other, causing the bouncing.
This game really solves the “making sure the shapes can move” issue XD
Fun fact: if you look up suika game the top result is a phishing hack that will try to infect your computer.
Based
My bad
Why can't they just link the game
wait...how do i check if i have been phished yet?
@@peng5997Use VirusTotal.
As someone who's made a circle stacking physics prototype in pico-8 before this is really difficult to actually get running at decent performance for more than 10 circles. All the bouncing is probably necessary to be able to get this running at more than 5 FPS lol
when i recognized this was pico-8 i was curious about the technical side, thanks for the insight
"Let's be patient," says Jacob *proceeds to drop 30 fruit in the span of 10 seconds*
Loving Jacob’s Pokemon brainrot conditioning him into saying Passimian instead of persimmon, felt that
oh thank god i'm not the only one who noticed that-
I like that they didn't realize each piece has an amount of magnetism and that's why they move so much and pull at each other and go weird.
i didn't realize that either because that's not what i would've expected
Cap
yeah i noticed that too, the movement isnt random, its toward the same piece, thats how the piece far apart can fuse seemingly easily
17:00
That's not the reason they constantly bounce though, the Touhou Suika had loads of magnetism and that didn't bounce constantly
Once Suika Month finishes we need the Suikalike Tier List
I don’t think they’ve played a tier list maker yet…
They mentioned already that they'll be doing a tier list of every game they've played this year
they're already doing a full year tier list that'd be redundant
@@fugyfruit Since that would include every Suika-like, it would double as a Suika tier list
Apparently in this one you can actually see the hitboxes, it's in the pause menu
also leaf transition at 38:20
idk why, but watching all the fruits jumping around just bring me so much joy. Great addition to the suika-like genre
I want everyone to know I usually have these Suika weeks on while eating dinner. When Jacob CLUTHED with the grape I fully put down my meal to be entranced in this game in a way no other Suika has made me before. Now I have cold mac and cheese but I wouldn’t trade it for anything else.
Edit: I reheated my Mac and Cheese! :3
That's awesome that you reheated your cold mac and cheese
@@manjackson2772it felt like an important piece of information to include
mac and cheese :3
@@strawberryqueen0382no for sure it was, I was so done when I thought the mac and cheese was cold but then I saw the reheat and I was like we're so back
Cheered upon hearing you reheated your mac and cheese
The issue with the momentum seems like fruits don't lose it over time, only when they impact other ones. So the force isn't loss unless there's a match, so something small stuck at the bottom essentially becomes this supercharged gear that continually spins faster and faster, occasionally making things around it spin
Edit: ok I guess the gear metaphor was closer than i thought. Small things going at a decent rpm translate that exact rpm to something larger, and the larger one just gets more force and fucks your run
It also seems like there’s magnetism involved which makes the movement even more chaotic. The way fruits “miraculously” fly across the screen to combine with and the relative calmness when there’s only unique fruits makes me feel like a code is implemented to keep fruits that can be combined moving and draw them unnaturally towards each other. But with all the fruits fighting each other it just becomes a bouncy house of unnatural force.
Elastic fruit
Considering that this is pico-8 I can almost promise you that the spinning of the fruit is purely visual. There is absolutely no way that they implemented rotational friction and torque transfer in what is essentially Basic. Heck, they had to "cheat" with the collision detection to get it to run at a decent frame rate.
@@designator7402the spinning is just visual but it does show the momentum the fruit has. The faster spinning ones knocking things farther
@@kikiretzorg1467 this is an unintentional one piece reference
I think a really cool Suika idea would be one that starts with watermelon and fuses in reverse so the ultimate goal becomes to get a cherry
I just realized how often Jo calls the merging 'kissing' and I appreciate it a lot
64 bits...32 bits...16 bits, 8 bits, 4 bits, 2 BITS, 1 BIT, HALF BIT
We can have as many suika bits as possible!
THE WATERMELON GAAAAAAME!!!
Just to clear things up about the pear: I'm pretty sure the "yellow cheese blocks" in regular suika are supposed to be nashis (aka japanese pear) 😂
Best suika, in my opinion. This one feels just as good to play as it does to watch
the pixel ones like this have by far the nicest combination of interface elements and the actual game (with the pixel text and all), so they actually look the most polished to me… really nice work by the dev
I feel like the Suika game genre is burned into my mind now. I have never played the original and yet from watching these videos I have an extensive tier list of which Suikalikes are good and which aren’t.
We are going back to the snes retro era.
Still 3 generations of consoles away from Naughty Bear for the xbox360 and ps3
Never give up, they have to at some point
I think SNES was a 16 bit console, which is still less bits than Naughty Bear sequels they should have made
It’s like this Suika heard you guys say “these are not moving at all” in the past games, and took that as a challenge
Thanks for playing my demake! Whenever I get to update the game to "fix" the physics, I'll keep the jittery physics as an option as it seems everyone has a love/hate relationship with it.
Did you make the fruit magnetize to each other?
@@DirectorOfChaos9292 nope. the jittery physics end up jiggling the fruits through gaps and slide around a lot that they merge by themselves. I'm not really sure why friction doesn't seem to work that well in this physics engine the game is using.
Alpharad: drops fruit
Fruit: *Helicopter, Helicopter*
36:49 the fact that jo unintentionally foreshadowed suikarad gold with this line is hilarious
im not ready for it to end imma be honest
Don't dread the future matey ☠️🏴☠️
the way these fruits were being tossed around like it’s fruit salad just made it that much more tense, honestly one of the most stressful suikas to watch you guys play yet, extremely entertaining
"i cannot imagine a suika harder than that one"
Oh, the bliss of not knowing what came next
THE OFFICIAL SUIKA GAME WIKIPEDIA PAGE SAYS "The game also became prone to unofficial versions being created, affectionately termed "suikalikes"."
If you guys create a Suika-like tier list then we can finally create the ultimate Suika-like, where the evolution just goes through all the different Suika-likes and ends on the Watermelon from the original. Once you create a tier list I'll be all over making something like that.
This game is like chaos theory. Everything follows a set of rules, yet you can never be sure how it will turn out
The little smile I let out at 21:52 when Jacob said passimian instead of persimmon c:
Our nuzlocke king 👑
Edit: 24:34 😅
I would LOVE a "best moments" compilation from Gold this year
Pico8 is such a great game engine. Great games came out of this.
Fantasy consoles are sick in general
36:50 the chaotic foreshadowing
Fr
This suika journey reminds me of a project I’m working on with friends where we create an absurd amount of pieces of media about art galleries that always have the line “this one, this one right here” baked in.
The fruit between apple and peach in OG suika is a nashi pear (Japanese pear).
You should host a suika-like 24 hr game jam for charity
if I gold viewers were sinking in quicksand and Jo and Jacob could save us by playing naughty bear they wouldn't
I love how chaotic this one is. It's the exact opposite of the Suikas with stiff fruits.
Every time i try to stop playing suika you guys pull me back in. It really is an addiction
constantly moving fruits is how i feel all the time
I hope at the end of the year Jacob and Joe release an actual montage of all the insane clips that made them say “Colin add this to the montage”
Something about that "end of suika week...3" had some menacing energy
Hi Alpha, hi Jo. Second day of suggesting my own suika clone, Watermelon Monsters on Itch. Just in case you haven't decided yet the last suika game. Also can't wait to see what you prepared for december.
The chest is way too big and all the pieces moving makes it insufferable. Make the mimic higher level or dont let it eat pieces higher tier than it.
This game makes my anxiety spike like crazy.
Having pinball-style tilt control would be a perfect addition to a Suika-like
its interesting to see the different solutions to how to make this game fun. The Touhou game had similar sprites attracted to eachother with a smaller than their size hitbox, this game just removes friction as a factor entirely.
So it's absolutely based on where the center of a piece is it looks like, if a cherry pops up you're done it's just immediately over, same with most medium sized fruits
but the watermelon has a lot more give because it's so much bigger and the center of it is all that matters
this one looks really fun and a lot more challenging but when things just bounce into place it's so much more hype than it has any right to be for a suika game
This game looks like the inside of a popcorn machine
love how the most hectic suika game has the most chill music
Jacob: How did we get here?
Me: Podcast comeback?
This kind of real-time, dynamic particle simulation really demands the highest caliber of computing power
The nonstop movement gives me so much anxiety but it's also so entertaining at the same time
36:33 Greatest foreshadowing in Alpharad Gold history
Fr
usually I just leave your suika vidoes on in the background while doing other stuff but holy shit this one had me glued to the screen
It's suikas world, we're all just living in it
He forgot it’s jover
This is a good example of how smaller particles move downwards while larger ones move upwards when the mixture is shaken
That is the most excited the duo have been for a suika. Amazing job.
This was one of the best suikas. I was on the edge of my seat so much. It's so stressful!😂
These videos are the BEST things to watch/listen too while sewing. Please I beg of you don't ever stop Suika week
This feels like a Suika gacha game. Everything feels "just in reach" to make you want to keep playing.
This is the most volitile Suika and I love it.
This past suika week has had many bangers, fruit salad, touhou, and pico8 all seem top tier suikas
jacob's nervous laughter over the fruit physics has me DYING
Now that we've gotten so many good suikas in a row I feel the need to get people into Suika month but I already know I'll look crazy telling them "No I swear it gets GOOD"
This should just be called "Entropy the game"
Only this game can make waiting tense and engaging
Suika month has been a super interesting lesson in game design ngl
The difference over 9 seconds between 41:01 and 41:10 is staggering
8-bit Suika: the fruits are on cocaine!
Cinematic masterpiece.
They legitimately haven’t been this psyched for a watermelon in so long… so happy for them
Seeing this makes me think about how cool a Playdate version would be where the crank controls left and right movement.
The amount of movement that the game has just makes it that much more entertaining to watch.
watching this high is so funny man
Crazy foreshadowing in this video
19:56 They really saying this like they don’t know the clouds name is Popo 💀💀💀
Ight so who's hyped for suika year next january?
The music is so fun!!
This is basically a podcast while playing games.
Once the suika saga ends, there has to be a main channel video called “I played every suika-like so you dont have to” and it’s just a tier list
the 8bit sound font is so cute i love it
I teach kids aged 6-15 who are OBSESSED with suika game and who don't speak English so wouldn't find out about this game. Do you realize I have the chance for the prank of a lifetime??
I can't believe they turned Suika into a psychological horror game
This suika game makes me happy, it's just a joyful one. Probably the one I had the most fun watching!
It's like your game is acting out a slapstick comedy in front of you
If there was any Alpharad Gold episode to make a Game Grumps Animated-esque video after, it's this, I think
y'all better upload soon
You HAVE to do a main channel video showing clips of all of these games because God DAMN are there some moments across all of these videos.
21:48
This is how you know Jacob Alpharad has a Pokemon addiction.
Suikarad year is the name of the channel on jan 1st
I think suika saved this channel for me I dropped Gold after about February but suika has definitely brought y'all to new heights
This was a good one.
This is the most exciting suika content of all time, I didn't even fall asleep, incredible
This might not be the BEST Suikalike, but it's sure as hell the most entertaining one
I agree that if feels like the fruits are trying to escape, but it's not like they are trapped there against their will, it feels more like kids waiting for class to end to go to recess
Them talking about suika as if it doesn’t literally just mean watermelon is so funny to me
I think my mind got so much exposion to indie horror games, that I'm expecting any moment the screen to go dark and all the fruits to be bloody as some shadowy figure creeps closer to the screen.
This is giving big "DVD symbol touching the corner" levels of satisfaction
This is the best version, I would love another vid of this lol