Great video. I did notice that Timothy is misspelled at about 1:30. (Just in case the Keydogo folks want to fix it) 😁 I always love to hear guy preach.
God's moral standards never change, it doesn't matter what culture or time you live in. Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.".
Romans chapter 1: please read it carefully...yes anyone no matter what they have done can find Jesus Christ and get saved but they need to change their ways that also means homosexual life style as Romans ch 1:tell us a warning if we don't change And rather make excuses for our life style then we will reap what we sow
God is love but God is also wrath and vengeance, dont be fooled by that. the LGBTQ community always refers to bible verses like John 3:16. God destroyed perversion throughout the bible, and this is well known but never mentioned by those who refuse to accept the truth. You have been warned. God's love is a spiritual love, not lustful love.
Its clear god actually doesn't love anyone. Loving someone because they obey you is the way a master loves a slave, like you love your favorite shovel, that is to say you do not actually love them at all, you love that they are useful to you
@@xXEGPXxhe loves us because me made us. And we worship him because he is the creator and he’s all powerful. You’re saying you’re smarter or more important than God?
.... we need more Christians to testify of what the Bible says without compromise. The Bible says GOD is the same yesterday, today, and forever just like his word. May GOD richly bless you my beloved. 💚
LGBT is presented as a fashion, people believe that it is not a perversion, but these LGBT publications are the biggest shock for world morality and should be banned immediately.
Judge: you have been charged with 3 counts of murder, how do you plee? Me: With all do respect your honor, i'm not guilty, because i didn't molest a child during these acts. Judge: you're free to go. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
In my opinion, homosexuality is sin as the bible says (indirectly). Straight people do not follow sexual ethics either. But for us who do follow it, we must not treat those who sin without dignity. But that should not stop us from warning others of the consequences of sin. And we should protest against the promotion of sin, i.e., trans people in women's sports, lbgtq counselling in schools, indoctrinating children to agenda, etc. And of course we will be hated for that.
Well there are a couple of issues with your argument. First off Jesus is very very clear that there are transgender people who are born this way as well as those made by others and by themselves for the greatness of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 19:12). Secondly there's the cherry picking that nobody has explained to me yet. Why is being a homosexual man a sin? (and I'm being specific about men because it seems the old testament was not meant to be read by women, more on that later). There are literally just a few lines on that while there are many much longer passages prohibiting other activities which nobody cares for today. And then there's finally the part that lost me. Which is Lot in Genesis. To him it was better to have a crowd gang rape his two daughters than let them have gay sex with "his drinking buddies". And he's the one that gets spared while his wife turns to salt. Mhhh.
I am asking this in the most respectful way possible and as a man who loves his gay brethren: If I find two men having sexual relations, should I kill them as Moses said so? I have yet to read Romans so I do not know if Paul has anything to day about this, but Moses is pretty clear in this matter. Obviously I do not agree with killing others over their sexual practices, I ask it this way because I am bothered by how everyone talking about this topic seems to gloss over this part of the scripture.
I used to be very homophobic, (if I can use that term) I justified hating queers because I was taught by my "church leaders" that they are already judged by God, because of Romans 1.!! I was young, I didn't know any better. Then God forsed me into situations where I had to engage with gay people over the years. As I let down my judgements I began to see that even though they were gay, I could not deny that the Word of God came out through our engagements. (Not all, but some were Born Again. The Spirit bore witness) It was very much like when that woman came to Jesus and asked for mercy for her daughter. He reacted harshly. "It is not right to cast the children's food unto dogs.!" Then she replied, "Yes Lord, but even the dogs can eat the crumbs that fall from the Master's table." Then the scriptures says the strangest thing. Jesus answered and said unto her, "O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt." This was a Cananite Woman.! A heathen dog. And yet Jesus heard the Word of God speak through her. That is why He granted her request. He said, "Great is thy faith". (I think Jesus was caught off guard) Now I ask you, what can I do when God forces me into a situation where I hear Him speaking to me through a Homosexual.? How can I just walk away and continue to hate them. We don't know who is saved and who isn't. Only God knows the end of a man. I have learned to treat everyone as if they are my brothers and sisters. I still declare what sin is, but I love the sinner. I trust God to deliver us all... None of us want to hear the words, "Depart from me, I never knew you." 💛❤💙
@@heinmolenaar6750 Yeah, well, if you'd seen what I have seen and experienced since I accepted Christ into my life, you would not say that. God Prooves Himself.!! To those who listen.
@@heinmolenaar6750 Throughout our lives we all experience outstanding events that are designed to get our attention. Maybe a scene in a movie. A strange coincidence. A dream. A word from a friend. Even a simple thing like a reply in a comment section. Many times these can be Spiritual Enterventions. I had one that brought me to my knees. I had to admit that I knew nothing of God or Heaven, or even why I existed. I finally had to see that something was leading me to a personal change. Once I became humble enough to ask God for the Answers, I had a dynamic change come over me. I slowly began to understand what Jesus meant when He said, "You must be born again." You have to awaken to your Spiritual side. Now, my life makes sense. I have peace. I do not fear the future. I do not fear dying. And, I am not alone. I have met Hundreds of people that have had this same experience. All you have to do is listen... "Today if you hear His voice, harden not your heart." 💛❤💙
The parable of the fig tree is just that. The actual nature of Jesus would not be to kill the tree but ask it for fruit and it would deliver as he did with his first miracle to change water into wine. God loves me as I am. The Bible which has been written by man has been used as a weapon of mass destruction throughout history. It has been responsible for many sins committed by man.
So does this guy deny his feeling of love and passion? He made many claims and assertions that all seem to point to, “ I don’t get to love or be loved because how i was made”…sad
The only true words of God in the Bible are the 10 Commandments, the 2 laws that Jesus gave and the occasional conversation with the burning bush. Everything else is man-made.
romans 1,Paul says idol worship of statues causes gay lust. yet its Wrong for anyone to assume it causes gayness in all gays. he speaks of heterosexuality as normal but pagan gay rituals and lust as sinful,and not gay people in general! while leviticus 18 and 20 mention the hebrew words Shakab and not shekobeth. THis means forced sex and not consentual sex. God has not said all homosexuality is condemned in that chapter. That misreading they have been accusing all gays these past 100 plus years is dishonest.
.... GOD does love us all, but he also is a GOD of judgment. If you don't keep the commandments and faith of Jesus, you will be punished in eternal hell. GOD does condemn homosexuality.
Alright, sucks for me then. If god wants to torture me forever because of who I love that is his prerogative, I cannot stop him, but I can say that he is immoral, and I claim my right to do so.
@bri Hating gay people is a sin as is hating anyone. it was never fear that lead to the word homophobia, it was the violence (and with it hatred), that same sex attracted people people faced in the 1960s to today. There are people that call themselves Christians, who might be hateful to gay people, but simply repententing, turning to God and obeying God through the scriptures to repent of sexual sin (sex before marriage ["porniea" in Greek] & any sex with men and other men [The Greek word is a conjoined word "men+bed" which is an ancient Greek euphemism for sex]) is not hating Gay people, its loving God. This is not unlike hetrosexual sin, hating sin isn't hating hetrosexuals. Its identifying that internally we are corrupt and need to repent (Greek word "metanoia", new mind that leads to action). As a christian I don't hate gay people, but God himself dictated to Moses and told him to write that "lying with a man as one lies with a woman" is an abomination (a complete distortion of God). If you are a follower of Christ, read the scriptures and love God over your own life. Luke 14:26 (NIV) 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple.
LGBT is presented as a fashion, people believe that it is not a perversion, but these LGBT publications are the biggest shock for world morality and should be banned immediately.
Biblical sexual ethics are simply the sexual ethics of bronze age palestine. Much of biblical sexual ethics is completely abhorrent in a modern context. We don't marry underage girls, we don't force women to marry thier rapists, we permit women to choose their own husbands, we don't permit polygamy or livirate marriage. The truth is that modern sexual ethics are far kinder and far more compassionate and respectful of persons than biblical ones.
I think you should read the NET version of the bible for Deut 22:28-29 if that is where you are getting your translation for "rape". This is the NIV version. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV) 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. This is the New English Translation (NET) Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NET) 28 Suppose a man comes across a virgin who is not engaged and takes hold of her[a] and sleeps with[b] her and they are discovered. 29 The man who has slept with her must pay her father fifty shekels of silver and she must become his wife. Because he has humiliated her, he may never divorce her as long as he lives. The NET Biles translation notes (partial) Deuteronomy 22:28 tn The verb תָּפַשׂ (taphas) means “to sieze, grab.” In all other examples this action is done against another person’s will, as in being captured, arrested, attacked, or grabbed with insistence (e.g. 1 Sam 23:26; 1 Kgs 13:4; 18:40; 2 Kgs 14:13; 25:6; Isa 3:6; Jer 26:8; 34:3; 37:13; 52:9; Ps 71:11; 2 Chr 25:23.) So it may be that the man is forcing himself on her, which is what leads the NIV to translate the next verb as “rape,” although it is a neutral euphemism for sexual relations. However, this is the only case where the object of תָּפַשׂ is a woman and the verb also also refers to holding or handling objects such as musical instruments, weapons, or scrolls. So it possible that it has a specialized, but otherwise unattested nuance regarding sexual or romantic relations, as is true of other expressions. Several contextual clues point away from rape and toward a consensual relationship. .... Read the full translators notes for the full picture. Personally I think the NIV translator was wrong here and the NET is right after reading the translators notes. The Net Bible includes translator notes which is the most valuable part of that translation, it includes the reasons why the translators choose particular words and phrases. As a famous bible translator once said, it is impossible to translate the bible without also interpreting it. 99% of the Bible is accurately translated although through a vale of another language from the original. 1% of the bible creates problems for translators becauses there are just some words that are hard to translate from one language to another. This is why people who read the bible regularly want to learn the original languages.
I would also add that the reason people married just after puberty was unlike today, the average lifespan of an ancient person was around 30 years old. This practice of marrying just after puberty continued in Western countries until the improvement of mortality rates. Its then that modern people started condemning the practice, but for our ancestors it was a matter of survival.
Very good here. Just the comment from the gentleman that he is still sexually attracted to men, I do not understand, but perhaps that is something for him to deal with by GOD's Grace, just as we each need to do in our own lives. Certainly we need to preach the hard word to people about sin, Hell and judgment, for even Jesus said He had come to bring a Sword. Not that he wanted to set people against each other, but because He knew that some would believe, but others will not, and so the genuine Gospel will offend, because it tells us what we do not want to hear, that we are ALL SINNERS, gay and straight, Jew and Gentile, rich and poor. But then Apostle Paul did tell us to preach the Truth in Love - that if we do anything, let it be out of love. Understand that as much as He is a GOD of Love, He is also one of Judgment and Eternal Punishment, and will pour His Wrath upon this Earth in time to come, so we have to be forceful to a certain extent, but also bear in mind that we are indeed Ambassadors for Christ. There are some who teach that gays cannot be saved, because GOD gave them over to a reprobate mind. All this means is that GOD is not going to force someone to change, and that if we are determined to sin, we will do so, unless we choose to turn to GOD. Otherwise, that is saying that Christ was not able to die on the Cross for ALL, and yet the Bible says He did. Some of them celebrate when gay nightclubs get shot up, as then those people end up in Hell - which they do, if they never trusted Christ, but our intention should not be to be glad at calamities nor rejoice when our enemy falls, for GOD is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. Not all do, sure, for as Jesus said, Many be Called, But few Chosen. What we have though, is that GOD, Who will punish sin to the utmost, have given adequate Provision for Everyone, for ALL Sins for ALL Time, so the opportunity is there, that every sin is paid for, even for those who never repent and believe. All sin is odious to GOD, and there are consequences, but He is rich in mercy, in that He is prepared to forgive, if only we repent and believe. .
Yes, there is a big difference. The Bible is clear with one. Heterosexual sex outside of marriage is covered with the the Greek word porneia, this word was never is used for homosexuality.
LGBT is presented as a fashion, people believe that it is not a perversion, but these LGBT publications are the biggest shock for world morality and should be banned immediately.
I have no problem with anyone being Christian or following the bible. I would expect them to follow it completely though. Men should rule over women. Marriage should be for life. Eve committed the first sin, and her punishment was to feel greater pain during child birth. So no painkillers should be allowed. Men should work hard and provide. Women should obey men.
The no painkillers and men “ruling women” is crazy but otherwise uhhh… you basically just described what made Western society so successful for the last idk… 500 years?
Dignity, respect,and love..is right but the truth can hurt but tough love sometimes has to be told with the truth..repent to Jesus Christ..turn away from sin..that's for everyone Not just the gay life style...and rape..child molested..is wrong..murder.. abortion.. all sins are wrong..
God is mercy, love , amazing I'm sorry but I think you all got this wrong God had put it in the Bible man don't sleep with me & women don't sleep with women. That's why God made man & woman so we can prosper. God never make mistakes ever.
.... D M, the Lord GOD said, .... " i have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, turn ye from your evil ways and live. " Allow Jesus Christ to come into your heart, because he loves you.
Please read Romans chapter 1:24-28 God loves everyone..but we must change and get away from ..gay life style..but also being drunk...being in bed before marriage straight people to. And I hope this clears things up but don't give up. Jesus frees us from sin if we really want to obey God. I am also guilty of sinning I am not wanting anyone to fill attacked just saying want help to change Jesus Christ is the answer
1 Corinthians 6:9 King James Version 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
@@heinmolenaar6750 Nothing, in regard to the objective truth provided by God Almighty. Titus 1:15 King James Version 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Bombarding people with bible verses doesn't work anymore babe. Those days are gone. Christianity has long since lost its credibility. The bible is not gods word but man made. Gods don"t write books. @@elijah2078
I like this guy!! Also, I LOVE how he states that this isn't about whether or not God loves gay people! Because no that's not what the argument is about! Everyone is deserving of God's love. Period. All people are sinners. ALL OF US. That includes people white, black, asian, gay, straight, whatever! And the beauty is that God loves us all and knows that we are deeply flawed individuals. We are called to support people who are struggling with sin, not condemn them! Because WE ALL ARE SINNERS!
now that is true; mistranslated etc; and edited by earthly books left out; could the prohibition be legit? yes; could it be something that comes from earthly men for earthly reasons having nothing to do with the will of G-d? yes; it is okay to say the issue is complex and we don't know?
Well done Guy. I would add another scripture Matthew 11:20-24. It’s not direct but we can see Jesus’ view of Sodom as he compares it to a city that ignored his miracles and call to turn away from its sins. God challenges us all to conform to His standards and not to manipulate the scriptures to align with living however we want.
So much to unpack here, but I’ll keep it brief. The lists of vices commonly attributed to St Paul (1 Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, and 1 Tim 1:9-11) are replicated nearly verbatim in the early Christian text of the Didache (possibly as early as 90A.D.) and also in the Epistle of Barnabas (possibly as early as 70 A.D.). However, whereas all the other Greek terms for vices are identical, instead of “arsenokoitai” (the word translated as “homosexual” in some modern English translations) these 1st century texts use the phrase “παιδοφθορήσεις” (child corrupter). How the audience of the first century would have interpreted St Paul’s neologism is quite apparent: the word meant something involved sexual relations with a child, not the modern understanding of homosexual relations. But arguing with a man who is part of denomination (the ICoC) that claims they figured out a unique theology in 1979 that somehow had been suppressed for nearly 2000 years is just silly. Gay affirming churches have more claim to continuity with 1st century Christianity than the ICoC and Guy Hammond do.
The word ἀρσενοκοίτης (transliterated arsenokoites as you stated) is a Ancient Greek compound word of ἄρσην (ársēn, “male”) + κοίτη (koite "bed"). When sex is talked about in the bible with a woman, Greek scholars, the Gold Standard Greek Lexicon (Dictionary), and pretty much every scholar that has studied Greek, have identified Bed+Woman as a euphemism for sex, not unlike the some modern slang euphemisms which talk about sex which everyone of our time knows, (e.g. if use the word "laid" I say "I laid down", it means I'm going to take a nap, but if I add the word "Get" in front of the word laid, the meaning completely changes), and so arsenokoites was originally a euphemism for men who have sex with men, and eventually became a word, and the ancient world understood the meaning clearly. arsenokoites is not looked at positively in the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV) Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men (ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoites) 1 Timothy 1:9-10 (NIV) 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality (ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoites), for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine. As a 50 year old single, I struggle against sexual sin to, the Greek word for immorality "Porneia" means no sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman, but that doesn't mean I can't have joy in my life without sex. I've had plenty of opportunity to get married when I was younger, but certain abuses within my life had a lasting effect on me, but I know there is something better that awaits. I'm also going to add the that being a hetrosexual doesn't get some one to heaven, what gets someone to heaven is making Jesus Lord of your life, and not oneselfs the Lord of their own life.
God loves you, but He is calling you to repent my friend. I have to repent too, I’m straight and did immoral things. Humans have no problem with sinning, but God does.
You are absolutely correct that God loves me because he made me this way. He only creates perfect things and yes I agree we all have something to repent for but being gay Is not one of them.
@@michaelballlenger7614 Nope, God did not make you that way. Sinful desires are a product of original sin. God created perfect humans but we are now a fallen and sinful race. God is clear that He does not approve of homosexual acts. I love you and will pray for you brother.
You are wrong God did make me this way in His Infinite Wisdom. It is not God who objects to the way he made me but my fellow man. I hope your prayers will bring you to a better understanding of God's true intentions.
Is being gay a sin? No. Sins are acts that separate us from God and keep us from loving our neighbors as ourselves. The Bible says nothing about 'homosexuality' as an innate dimension of personality. Sexual orientation was not understood in biblical times. I can keep going for those who are just homophobic that’s a sin because your spreading hate and hurting people
same sex attraction is not a sin. however, for those who have same sex attraction (SSA), God wants us to struggle with it, not giving up to the attraction. if we surrender to God, He will help us and fight for us, so we win the battle. that's the truth
@@Cytl-bu3nq those words do not come from self righteousness, it is a PRAY that He would bless those who we pray, so that you guys would embrace the truth and become set free. it is from Holy Spirit's attitude, not mine. God bless you! :)
@@yosep3353 I'm not gay but your argument in my opinion causes some problems. First here's my issue as a straight Christian of over 3 decades. Early on as a Christian, I heard a lot of Pastors preach that everyone was made heterosexual and that only a few depraved minds chose to go against the natural order and have homosexual sex. deviants they were called. No Pastor for a long time ever acknowledged that people were made gay (attracted to the sale sex). So most of the remnant arguments and beliefs stem from these early ideas. By saying that GOD in fact created people with same-sex attraction which heterosexual Christians say that they are born with their attraction as well, this leaves the Church in a problematic position. If GOD created people with same-sex attraction then we are no longer talking about sex alone. See Conservative Christians (of which I am one of) make homosexuality (verb) about the act of sex, not attraction or being a homosexual (noun). As a heterosexual man, I am attracted to women, which means not only do I want to have sex with a woman but I also want a life partner that is a woman, I want intimacy and wholeness with a woman. Someone to share my life with. Before the Church said all people were heterosexuals committing homosexual sex acts. However, same-sex attraction means that there are people who want everything heterosexuals do intimacy, a life partner, and sex. Now Scripture says that sex outside of marriage is forbidden, don't have sex before marriage, don't have sex with someone else outside of your marriage but it's clear marriage is the covering GOD has given us for sexual purity, intimacy, a lifelong partner, etc. My wife isn't just a sex partner to me, she is so much more. Yet, Christians don't apply the same sexual morality to homosexuals or same-sex attracted people, they say not only can you not engage in an intimate sexual relationship outside of marriage like Heterosexuals are told no to, you can't seek to find a person and marry them and have the same covering heterosexuals do. So many Christians have become caught somewhere in the middle, they say that same-sex attracted people are gay, they're made that way but that they need to be celibate. Again reducing it to a sex act. Yet basically saying "Don't ever think about falling in love, having a lifelong companion or a deep intimate connection with anyone else unless you have it with a person of the opposite sex. However, that's like telling me that I can't marry a woman but either be celebite or marry a guy. I might be able to do it, but I wouldn't be attracted to that guy. And we have a long track record of what forced celibacy in the Church has been like so good luck with that. So what about the Bible? Christians can end up debating this and I don't have any real solid answers except that I have issues with Christians who take Scripture out of context, and ignore some obvious contextual and theological issues to force verses into a narrative. As an example, many Pastors then and still do today preach that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality. This is contextually and we find out latee in Jude and 2 Peter that it's not accurate at all. Jesus (links), Jude, and 2 Peter 3 quote the book of Enoch showing the Flood and Sodom were destroyed because of the fallen angels having sex with human women to create hybrid abominations. Now a lot of Christians will claim the book of Enoch is inaccurate, and unreliable, except the NT quotes and references it. Jude references it by name and quotes it directly. Now I am not saying Enoch is biblical canon but it tells us what we need to know about the flood and Sodom. That brings us to Leviticus who Moses wrote 2600 years after Adam and Eve. Romans 1 is also a parallel passage to Leviticus 18. Leviticus 18 has a few things we should consider. GOD speaks to Moses about the Children of Israel. And says: Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 According to [a]the doings of the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings of the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their [b]ordinances. 4 You shall observe My judgments and keep My ordinances, to walk in them: I am the Lord your God. So the first thing we need to look at is if the person is a child of GOD, saved by Jesus or not. If they're not then focus on the Gospel, and learn how to deal with the hypocrisy. Christians like youself are now saying GOD creates people who are attracted to people of the opposite sex (heterosexual- noun) and people who are attracted to the same-sex (homosexual- noun). Now Christians as I have said focus on the verb (the sex act) rather than the noun, the attraction. I can't choose my attraction but I can choose not to act on it. However, for the Heterosexual Christian the message is no sex until marriage, and no sex with someone outside of your marriage. But for homosexuals the message is different, no marriage, or long term relationship ever for companionshp and no sex ever unless you find a person of the opposite sex. Hypocrisy. As long as you have an answer for that, then it should be alright. Mentioning hypocrisy I would encourage you to read 1 Timothy 4:1-5 which tells us in the last days (which we are in) many Believers will fall away from the faith, adopt doctrines of demons and hypocrisy by forbidding marriage..." the only group I can think of that forbids marriage today is conserative Christans. Just some thoughts. Take care.
Saint Paul to the best of our knowledge never met Jesus during his earthly ministry. Jesus preached love not hate as the Bible is interpreted today. God loves me as he made me. He has also given me the love of another wonderful man. I hope you have the happiness that God has given me.
What does mean by LGBTQ and what does mean by homosexuality? He doesn't know the subject. A man or woman born as what he/she is physically but by the functions of endocrine systems they may have the opposite charectors. Nobody can change it either by counselling or by medicine. It is the truth and they cannot consider as homosexuals. As per their internal anatomy and physiology are differently arranged, it is not by him or by anyone else. It is the same God who created the man and woman in the right way . So try to understand and preach , other wise it will not truth. The things that is not true is lie and the lie is the language of Satan. American psychiatric counsil, some psychological bodies, and many other scientific bodies have conducted many experiments and have proved that these kind of people's life is not their choice but their anatomy and physiology. Don't be the people who tortured Galileo and other scientists in the history. Don't be bigger than God !
how can a book 1000s year old get anything wrong about a term that's only been around 20yrs or so but no it does not matter to me what or how someone lives their lifes. Just keep it to your self your business. Lets be honest the bibles been rewritten enough you really dont know what exactly god thinks. As only parts of it and even then the wording was changed by men with their own agenda - mostly money people are going to live the way they want you can approve or not they will not care thats just how it goes now just understand there is a objective of getting things normalized by not accepting that you make a stand.
You are wrong. The Bible has not been rewritten incorrectly. We have thousands of copies of ancient texts of the Bible in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, to say the least. We have more copies and older copies of the Bible than any other documents out there. While it may be challenging to put things in English that were common phrases in Greek the many translations that we do have available plus all the exegesis of the books of the Bible give us a very clear meaning of the Word of God. There are some places where the Bible is ambiguous on purpose, but sexual morality isn’t one of them. Guy is very close on this. Queer people deserve love and understanding even though a gay lifestyle is against God’s purpose. You need to educate yourself before spreading this misinformation. You should read these 5 verses from various translations and see where the differences are. Mostly they show up as word for word or phrase for phrase translations of the Bible, so the meanings are there. A good app with over 60 translations is the YouVersion Bible app. If you haven’t read it you really can’t judge it. It is the most accurate set of historical documents that we have available to us. And that’s fact, not opinion.
@@LoriDRBlake I am not supplying misleading information this is well documented books were altered like book of Leviticus and removed like but not limited to Ezra,2 Ezra,Tobit, Judith, The rest of Esther , The Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (also known as Sirach), Baruch with the Epistle Jeremiah, The Songs of the 3 Holy Children, The History of Susana, The Prayer for Manasseh, 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees, Bel and the serpent (dragon) this does not cover any of the dead sea scrolls which mostly should also be included if they were complete. Not to mention translations even today are not perfect so many times meanings may be misconstrued but we can agree to disagree np and at no time did I say gay people didnt deserve love or understanding they are more than intitled to both maybe more since they were put down for many years - I just said by all means go live your life just dont want to hear about daily
@ghtly1919 Your just wrong. First of all when translating from one language to another there are certain words that are difficult to translate because the meaning in the destination language is hard to convey because of euphemisms, idioms and sometimes there is no single word that will translate into the destination language from the original. The majority of the bible is accurately translated, a small percentage maybe 1% gives bible translators problems because it is difficult to translate. This is the reason the NET bible was created which includes translator notes presenting the choices that translators had in a particular situation. There are around ~6000 complete manuscripts and fragments of the Greek New Testament found, along with ~10,000 Latin manuscripts and ~9000 in other languages such as Syriac, Slavic, Gothic, Ethiopic, Coptic, Nubian, Armenian from 125CE to the 15th century . Thats 25,000 copies of the New Testament that attest to each other. Any corruption found will stick out like a sore thumb because the Gospels of the bible and the letters were copied by scribes and sent around to all the Churches of the known world, each church had its own copy and made copies as their copies would eventually fade. The same methods were used to maintain copies of the Hebrew and LXX bible. So if a manuscript in Rome was different to a manuscript in Sinai or the subsequent child copies, that corruption would have been pointed out by secular scholars many decades ago and there are none. Every time they find an older scroll it is compared to a copy of a later scroll to see if there is any "corruption". All they find is minor changes in the form of typographical errors or spelling mistakes. Nothing changes the core message or important doctrines. This is the comparison that happened when the found the Isaiah scroll. Nothing was changed. If you every study Greek, Latin, or Hebrew you will learn these things as the professors from both secular and religious backgrounds are well versed in ancient texts. So stop propagating hearsay. If you want to be accurate quote your sources and present actual facts.
LGBT is presented as a fashion, people believe that it is not a perversion, but these LGBT publications are the biggest shock for world morality and should be banned immediately.
You seem to be justifying WHO YOU ARE... Not love shared - as a gift from God. Religious assertions on behalf of the Divine have existed throughout history. Homosexuality existing naturally in 480 species as well as humans. Stephen Fry is a shining intellect with HUGE HUMANITY. Elton John and David as partners are raising kids... in Love and Respect. How come so so many talented human beings throughout history have been gay?? Oscar Wilde, Aristotle, Hadrian, Alexander the Great, Florence Nightingale, Lawrence of Arabia... Alan Turing (who broke the Enigma code in WWII and was made an outcast instead of a hero.... just like Oscar Wilde... LOVE IS NATURAL AND A BLESSING Condemnation on behalf of your version of a book written by men is very sad and nothing to do with the Divine in All of Us. Two versions available of the BIBLE: choose - Book Inspired By Love Eternal OR Bigots Instruction Book Legislating Everything. Three versions of GOD: Gift Of Divinity Get Our Dollar (televangelists / prosperity gospel - favs) Guilt Of Damnation - the Sin stuff obsession with sex... and lastly a version of ALLAH... A Loving Life Achieves Holiness So.... GOD is LOVE is all we need to know about the Divine. All the rest is manmade cultural religious rhetoric...
@@user-tf3ft8ku6m why did u choose the homophobic lifestyle, why did u pick this as a way of life???? When did u think homophobia was the right lifestyle choice for u??? Did satan help u?
In my point of view, You just talked a lot and at the end of it, you sounded like homosexuality is valid in the bible, and even talked about respect, which the bible dont do, WE SHOULD BE THE ONE RESPECTING THE BIBLE AND DO WHAT IT SAYS, which is that homosexualitywill just lead you to do ungodly things,
I can't believe you could pack so many errors in a six minute video. Here's the "clobber" texts compared to what you claim: Leviticus "lying with a male a womanly bed is against Israelite religion" you: lying with the same gender is a sin Romans "male idolaters did unseemly things with each other" you: lying with the same secs is a sin 1 Cor 6/1 Tim 1 "male-bedders" did something so bad it was incompatible with God's kingdom you: loving relationships between two men/women is a sin The mistranslation of 1 Cor 6.9 is obvious and easily demonstrated. compare various translations side by side and see how their scope is incompatible. While Bible translations are overall sound, inaccuracies and errors in specific details are very common.
@@margaretrobinson-sn2nb all religions are man made and impermanent. Homosexuality existed long before christianity and will continue to exist long after christianity has disappeared. Homosexuality remains forever. Just accept it. Homosexuality is here to stay. It always has and it always will be.
I believe mere homosexuality is never a sin. When homosexuals force their beliefs and practices to school children, then that's where our opinion on these group differs.
@Christopher Herndon Precisely. Homosexuality is not necessarily a sexual activity. Perhaps the reason why Pope Francis openly welcome homosexuals."Who am I to judge?"
Just know the Bible has nothing to do with religion. Religion is made to separate man. The Bible is to have a relationship with God! And not to be used as a weapon
I lose 5 min of tears... ...everytime there's a outraging conflict in my christian community and I imagine the topic was LGBTQQIAA+ ...everytime my pastor's calling me "broken" for not being attracted to women like "normal" men ...everytime I hate myself for being me
There is no word of God that condemns the way he made me.
Great video. I did notice that Timothy is misspelled at about 1:30. (Just in case the Keydogo folks want to fix it) 😁 I always love to hear guy preach.
Also note that homophobia is the real sin here!!!
Wow, this video is well done! Thanks!
God's moral standards never change, it doesn't matter what culture or time you live in. Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.".
but do you know the mind of God, I'd say not based on your incorrect use of that passage.
Romans chapter 1: please read it carefully...yes anyone no matter what they have done can find Jesus Christ and get saved but they need to change their ways that also means homosexual life style as Romans ch 1:tell us a warning if we don't change And rather make excuses for our life style then we will reap what we sow
I see that you've managed to use what you've read out of context, AGAIN
God is love but God is also wrath and vengeance, dont be fooled by that. the LGBTQ community always refers to bible verses like John 3:16. God destroyed perversion throughout the bible, and this is well known but never mentioned by those who refuse to accept the truth. You have been warned. God's love is a spiritual love, not lustful love.
Its clear god actually doesn't love anyone. Loving someone because they obey you is the way a master loves a slave, like you love your favorite shovel, that is to say you do not actually love them at all, you love that they are useful to you
@@xXEGPXx WHAT???? God's love is spiritual, I know that's hard to comprehend. What you said is concerning
@@xXEGPXxhe loves us because me made us. And we worship him because he is the creator and he’s all powerful. You’re saying you’re smarter or more important than God?
.... we need more Christians to testify of what the Bible says without compromise. The Bible says GOD is the same yesterday, today, and forever just like his word.
May GOD richly bless you my beloved. 💚
Amen
Amen
LGBT is presented as a fashion, people believe that it is not a perversion, but these LGBT publications are the biggest shock for world morality and should be banned immediately.
But people like you do change and you love to alter anything that goes against your own perceived version of holiness.
Judge: you have been charged with 3 counts of murder, how do you plee?
Me: With all do respect your honor, i'm not guilty, because i didn't molest a child during these acts.
Judge: you're free to go.
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we dont know; it is okay to say ' we dont know :
In my opinion, homosexuality is sin as the bible says (indirectly). Straight people do not follow sexual ethics either.
But for us who do follow it, we must not treat those who sin without dignity. But that should not stop us from warning others of the consequences of sin. And we should protest against the promotion of sin, i.e., trans people in women's sports, lbgtq counselling in schools, indoctrinating children to agenda, etc. And of course we will be hated for that.
Very well said
@@alexhamilton624 No I never failed at it
@@alexhamilton624 I am not here to discuss the whole bible I'm only talking about what's related to the video
@@alexhamilton624 Yeah
Well there are a couple of issues with your argument. First off Jesus is very very clear that there are transgender people who are born this way as well as those made by others and by themselves for the greatness of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 19:12). Secondly there's the cherry picking that nobody has explained to me yet. Why is being a homosexual man a sin? (and I'm being specific about men because it seems the old testament was not meant to be read by women, more on that later). There are literally just a few lines on that while there are many much longer passages prohibiting other activities which nobody cares for today. And then there's finally the part that lost me. Which is Lot in Genesis. To him it was better to have a crowd gang rape his two daughters than let them have gay sex with "his drinking buddies". And he's the one that gets spared while his wife turns to salt. Mhhh.
I am asking this in the most respectful way possible and as a man who loves his gay brethren: If I find two men having sexual relations, should I kill them as Moses said so? I have yet to read Romans so I do not know if Paul has anything to day about this, but Moses is pretty clear in this matter. Obviously I do not agree with killing others over their sexual practices, I ask it this way because I am bothered by how everyone talking about this topic seems to gloss over this part of the scripture.
I used to be very homophobic, (if I can use that term) I justified hating queers because I was taught by my "church leaders" that they are already judged by God, because of Romans 1.!!
I was young, I didn't know any better.
Then God forsed me into situations where I had to engage with gay people over the years. As I let down my judgements I began to see that even though they were gay, I could not deny that the Word of God came out through our engagements.
(Not all, but some were Born Again. The Spirit bore witness)
It was very much like when that woman came to Jesus and asked for mercy for her daughter. He reacted harshly. "It is not right to cast the children's food unto dogs.!" Then she replied, "Yes Lord, but even the dogs can eat the crumbs that fall from the Master's table."
Then the scriptures says the strangest thing. Jesus answered and said unto her, "O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt."
This was a Cananite Woman.! A heathen dog. And yet Jesus heard the Word of God speak through her. That is why He granted her request.
He said, "Great is thy faith". (I think Jesus was caught off guard)
Now I ask you, what can I do when God forces me into a situation where I hear Him speaking to me through a Homosexual.? How can I just walk away and continue to hate them.
We don't know who is saved and who isn't. Only God knows the end of a man. I have learned to treat everyone as if they are my brothers and sisters.
I still declare what sin is, but I love the sinner. I trust God to deliver us all...
None of us want to hear the words, "Depart from me, I never knew you." 💛❤💙
Honey, the bible is bronze age mythology
@@heinmolenaar6750 Yeah, well, if you'd seen what I have seen and experienced since I accepted Christ into my life, you would not say that.
God Prooves Himself.!! To those who listen.
@@Vulcaneer900what do you mean by listinging?
@@heinmolenaar6750 Throughout our lives we all experience outstanding events that are designed to get our attention. Maybe a scene in a movie. A strange coincidence. A dream. A word from a friend. Even a simple thing like a reply in a comment section. Many times these can be Spiritual Enterventions. I had one that brought me to my knees. I had to admit that I knew nothing of God or Heaven, or even why I existed. I finally had to see that something was leading me to a personal change. Once I became humble enough to ask God for the Answers, I had a dynamic change come over me. I slowly began to understand what Jesus meant when He said, "You must be born again." You have to awaken to your Spiritual side.
Now, my life makes sense. I have peace. I do not fear the future. I do not fear dying. And, I am not alone. I have met Hundreds of people that have had this same experience.
All you have to do is listen... "Today if you hear His voice, harden not your heart." 💛❤💙
I understand now what you mean. Thanks honey. ❤💜💚🩵@@Vulcaneer900
Even sex out of wedlock is wrong what more homosexual.
The parable of the fig tree is just that. The actual nature of Jesus would not be to kill the tree but ask it for fruit and it would deliver as he did with his first miracle to change water into wine. God loves me as I am. The Bible which has been written by man has been used as a weapon of mass destruction throughout history. It has been responsible for many sins committed by man.
Jokes aside i respect his strength, truth, honesty, and knowledge
So does this guy deny his feeling of love and passion? He made many claims and assertions that all seem to point to, “ I don’t get to love or be loved because how i was made”…sad
The only true words of God in the Bible are the 10 Commandments, the 2 laws that Jesus gave and the occasional conversation with the burning bush. Everything else is man-made.
romans 1,Paul says idol worship of statues causes gay lust. yet its Wrong for anyone to assume it causes gayness in all gays. he speaks of heterosexuality as normal but pagan gay rituals and lust as sinful,and not gay people in general! while leviticus 18 and 20 mention the hebrew words Shakab and not shekobeth. THis means forced sex and not consentual sex. God has not said all homosexuality is condemned in that chapter. That misreading they have been accusing all gays these past 100 plus years is dishonest.
.... GOD does love us all, but he also is a GOD of judgment. If you don't keep the commandments and faith of Jesus, you will be punished in eternal hell. GOD does condemn homosexuality.
Alright, sucks for me then. If god wants to torture me forever because of who I love that is his prerogative, I cannot stop him, but I can say that he is immoral, and I claim my right to do so.
Great video. We all have issues with things the Bible says that goes against our nature/desires.
God is clear on sexual ethics and purity.
@@alexhamilton624 yes everyone should obey the scriptures
yes as is homophobia being a sin
@bri Hating gay people is a sin as is hating anyone. it was never fear that lead to the word homophobia, it was the violence (and with it hatred), that same sex attracted people people faced in the 1960s to today. There are people that call themselves Christians, who might be hateful to gay people, but simply repententing, turning to God and obeying God through the scriptures to repent of sexual sin (sex before marriage ["porniea" in Greek] & any sex with men and other men [The Greek word is a conjoined word "men+bed" which is an ancient Greek euphemism for sex]) is not hating Gay people, its loving God. This is not unlike hetrosexual sin, hating sin isn't hating hetrosexuals. Its identifying that internally we are corrupt and need to repent (Greek word "metanoia", new mind that leads to action).
As a christian I don't hate gay people, but God himself dictated to Moses and told him to write that "lying with a man as one lies with a woman" is an abomination (a complete distortion of God). If you are a follower of Christ, read the scriptures and love God over your own life.
Luke 14:26 (NIV) 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple.
LGBT is presented as a fashion, people believe that it is not a perversion, but these LGBT publications are the biggest shock for world morality and should be banned immediately.
Biblical sexual ethics are simply the sexual ethics of bronze age palestine. Much of biblical sexual ethics is completely abhorrent in a modern context. We don't marry underage girls, we don't force women to marry thier rapists, we permit women to choose their own husbands, we don't permit polygamy or livirate marriage. The truth is that modern sexual ethics are far kinder and far more compassionate and respectful of persons than biblical ones.
I think you should read the NET version of the bible for Deut 22:28-29 if that is where you are getting your translation for "rape".
This is the NIV version.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV) 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
This is the New English Translation (NET)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NET)
28 Suppose a man comes across a virgin who is not engaged and takes hold of her[a] and sleeps with[b] her and they are discovered. 29 The man who has slept with her must pay her father fifty shekels of silver and she must become his wife. Because he has humiliated her, he may never divorce her as long as he lives.
The NET Biles translation notes (partial)
Deuteronomy 22:28 tn The verb תָּפַשׂ (taphas) means “to sieze, grab.” In all other examples this action is done against another person’s will, as in being captured, arrested, attacked, or grabbed with insistence (e.g. 1 Sam 23:26; 1 Kgs 13:4; 18:40; 2 Kgs 14:13; 25:6; Isa 3:6; Jer 26:8; 34:3; 37:13; 52:9; Ps 71:11; 2 Chr 25:23.) So it may be that the man is forcing himself on her, which is what leads the NIV to translate the next verb as “rape,” although it is a neutral euphemism for sexual relations. However, this is the only case where the object of תָּפַשׂ is a woman and the verb also also refers to holding or handling objects such as musical instruments, weapons, or scrolls. So it possible that it has a specialized, but otherwise unattested nuance regarding sexual or romantic relations, as is true of other expressions. Several contextual clues point away from rape and toward a consensual relationship. ....
Read the full translators notes for the full picture. Personally I think the NIV translator was wrong here and the NET is right after reading the translators notes.
The Net Bible includes translator notes which is the most valuable part of that translation, it includes the reasons why the translators choose particular words and phrases. As a famous bible translator once said, it is impossible to translate the bible without also interpreting it. 99% of the Bible is accurately translated although through a vale of another language from the original. 1% of the bible creates problems for translators becauses there are just some words that are hard to translate from one language to another. This is why people who read the bible regularly want to learn the original languages.
I would also add that the reason people married just after puberty was unlike today, the average lifespan of an ancient person was around 30 years old. This practice of marrying just after puberty continued in Western countries until the improvement of mortality rates. Its then that modern people started condemning the practice, but for our ancestors it was a matter of survival.
Very good here. Just the comment from the gentleman that he is still sexually attracted to men, I do not understand, but perhaps that is something for him to deal with by GOD's Grace, just as we each need to do in our own lives.
Certainly we need to preach the hard word to people about sin, Hell and judgment, for even Jesus said He had come to bring a Sword. Not that he wanted to set people against each other, but because He knew that some would believe, but others will not, and so the genuine Gospel will offend, because it tells us what we do not want to hear, that we are ALL SINNERS, gay and straight, Jew and Gentile, rich and poor.
But then Apostle Paul did tell us to preach the Truth in Love - that if we do anything, let it be out of love. Understand that as much as He is a GOD of Love, He is also one of Judgment and Eternal Punishment, and will pour His Wrath upon this Earth in time to come, so we have to be forceful to a certain extent, but also bear in mind that we are indeed Ambassadors for Christ.
There are some who teach that gays cannot be saved, because GOD gave them over to a reprobate mind. All this means is that GOD is not going to force someone to change, and that if we are determined to sin, we will do so, unless we choose to turn to GOD. Otherwise, that is saying that Christ was not able to die on the Cross for ALL, and yet the Bible says He did. Some of them celebrate when gay nightclubs get shot up, as then those people end up in Hell - which they do, if they never trusted Christ, but our intention should not be to be glad at calamities nor rejoice when our enemy falls, for GOD is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. Not all do, sure, for as Jesus said, Many be Called, But few Chosen.
What we have though, is that GOD, Who will punish sin to the utmost, have given adequate Provision for Everyone, for ALL Sins for ALL Time, so the opportunity is there, that every sin is paid for, even for those who never repent and believe. All sin is odious to GOD, and there are consequences, but He is rich in mercy, in that He is prepared to forgive, if only we repent and believe.
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No different than heterosexual sex with someone you’re not married to.
Yes, there is a big difference. The Bible is clear with one. Heterosexual sex outside of marriage is covered with the the Greek word porneia, this word was never is used for homosexuality.
LGBT is presented as a fashion, people believe that it is not a perversion, but these LGBT publications are the biggest shock for world morality and should be banned immediately.
I have no problem with anyone being Christian or following the bible. I would expect them to follow it completely though. Men should rule over women. Marriage should be for life. Eve committed the first sin, and her punishment was to feel greater pain during child birth. So no painkillers should be allowed. Men should work hard and provide. Women should obey men.
The no painkillers and men “ruling women” is crazy but otherwise uhhh… you basically just described what made Western society so successful for the last idk… 500 years?
Nothing wrong with being homosexual.
Leviticus snd St Paul were both men not God. Do not equate their writings with God. That is heresy.
Dignity, respect,and love..is right but the truth can hurt but tough love sometimes has to be told with the truth..repent to Jesus Christ..turn away from sin..that's for everyone
Not just the gay life style...and rape..child molested..is wrong..murder.. abortion.. all sins are wrong..
God is mercy, love , amazing I'm sorry but I think you all got this wrong God had put it in the Bible man don't sleep with me & women don't sleep with women. That's why God made man & woman so we can prosper. God never make mistakes ever.
.... D M, the Lord GOD said, .... " i have no pleasure in the death of the wicked,
turn ye from your evil ways and live. "
Allow Jesus Christ to come into your heart, because he loves you.
Please read Romans chapter 1:24-28
God loves everyone..but we must change and get away from ..gay life style..but also being drunk...being in bed before marriage straight people to. And I hope this clears things up but don't give up. Jesus frees us from sin if we really want to obey God.
I am also guilty of sinning I am not wanting anyone to fill attacked just saying want help to change Jesus Christ is the answer
1 Corinthians 6:9
King James Version
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Honey , the bible is bronze age mythology. Nothing really happened. It's all made up.
Honey, what means silence of the mind to you?
@@heinmolenaar6750 Nothing, in regard to the objective truth provided by God Almighty.
Titus 1:15
King James Version
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Bombarding people with bible verses doesn't work anymore babe. Those days are gone. Christianity has long since lost its credibility. The bible is not gods word but man made. Gods don"t write books. @@elijah2078
Who cares what the bible says? That old fairytale book
I like this guy!! Also, I LOVE how he states that this isn't about whether or not God loves gay people! Because no that's not what the argument is about! Everyone is deserving of God's love. Period. All people are sinners. ALL OF US. That includes people white, black, asian, gay, straight, whatever! And the beauty is that God loves us all and knows that we are deeply flawed individuals. We are called to support people who are struggling with sin, not condemn them! Because WE ALL ARE SINNERS!
no one is in sin for being born different, only an evil god would do that
@@pastorbri well aren't all people born into sin? So technically everyone is born in sin. Different or not. Right?
now that is true; mistranslated etc; and edited by earthly books left out; could the prohibition be legit? yes; could it be something that comes from earthly men for earthly reasons having nothing to do with the will of G-d? yes; it is okay to say the issue is complex and we don't know?
Well done Guy. I would add another scripture Matthew 11:20-24. It’s not direct but we can see Jesus’ view of Sodom as he compares it to a city that ignored his miracles and call to turn away from its sins. God challenges us all to conform to His standards and not to manipulate the scriptures to align with living however we want.
You go to what Jesus says on Sodom that proves the exact opposite of your point.
So much to unpack here, but I’ll keep it brief.
The lists of vices commonly attributed to St Paul (1 Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, and 1 Tim 1:9-11) are replicated nearly verbatim in the early Christian text of the Didache (possibly as early as 90A.D.) and also in the Epistle of Barnabas (possibly as early as 70 A.D.). However, whereas all the other Greek terms for vices are identical, instead of “arsenokoitai” (the word translated as “homosexual” in some modern English translations) these 1st century texts use the phrase “παιδοφθορήσεις” (child corrupter). How the audience of the first century would have interpreted St Paul’s neologism is quite apparent: the word meant something involved sexual relations with a child, not the modern understanding of homosexual relations.
But arguing with a man who is part of denomination (the ICoC) that claims they figured out a unique theology in 1979 that somehow had been suppressed for nearly 2000 years is just silly. Gay affirming churches have more claim to continuity with 1st century Christianity than the ICoC and Guy Hammond do.
The word ἀρσενοκοίτης (transliterated arsenokoites as you stated) is a Ancient Greek compound word of ἄρσην (ársēn, “male”) + κοίτη (koite "bed"). When sex is talked about in the bible with a woman, Greek scholars, the Gold Standard Greek Lexicon (Dictionary), and pretty much every scholar that has studied Greek, have identified Bed+Woman as a euphemism for sex, not unlike the some modern slang euphemisms which talk about sex which everyone of our time knows, (e.g. if use the word "laid" I say "I laid down", it means I'm going to take a nap, but if I add the word "Get" in front of the word laid, the meaning completely changes), and so arsenokoites was originally a euphemism for men who have sex with men, and eventually became a word, and the ancient world understood the meaning clearly.
arsenokoites is not looked at positively in the scriptures.
1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV) Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men (ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoites)
1 Timothy 1:9-10 (NIV) 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality (ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoites), for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.
As a 50 year old single, I struggle against sexual sin to, the Greek word for immorality "Porneia" means no sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman, but that doesn't mean I can't have joy in my life without sex. I've had plenty of opportunity to get married when I was younger, but certain abuses within my life had a lasting effect on me, but I know there is something better that awaits.
I'm also going to add the that being a hetrosexual doesn't get some one to heaven, what gets someone to heaven is making Jesus Lord of your life, and not oneselfs the Lord of their own life.
Ignorance is Bliss
An example is here.
As a gay man I know God loves me as I am and takes joy in my happiness. Love is love no matter who it is with. Get over it.
ua-cam.com/video/mGYr9P_k1qU/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared God bless u bro
God loves you, but He is calling you to repent my friend. I have to repent too, I’m straight and did immoral things. Humans have no problem with sinning, but God does.
You are absolutely correct that God loves me because he made me this way. He only creates perfect things and yes I agree we all have something to repent for but being gay Is not one of them.
@@michaelballlenger7614 Nope, God did not make you that way. Sinful desires are a product of original sin. God created perfect humans but we are now a fallen and sinful race. God is clear that He does not approve of homosexual acts. I love you and will pray for you brother.
You are wrong God did make me this way in His Infinite Wisdom. It is not God who objects to the way he made me but my fellow man. I hope your prayers will bring you to a better understanding of God's true intentions.
Is being gay a sin? No. Sins are acts that separate us from God and keep us from loving our neighbors as ourselves. The Bible says nothing about 'homosexuality' as an innate dimension of personality. Sexual orientation was not understood in biblical times. I can keep going for those who are just homophobic that’s a sin because your spreading hate and hurting people
do not make your own idea and thoughts, follow His truth. God bless :)
same sex attraction is not a sin. however, for those who have same sex attraction (SSA), God wants us to struggle with it, not giving up to the attraction. if we surrender to God, He will help us and fight for us, so we win the battle. that's the truth
@@yosep3353 funny how people like yourself love to add little comments like God bless, but it's usually done out of self-righteous attitudes.
@@Cytl-bu3nq those words do not come from self righteousness, it is a PRAY that He would bless those who we pray, so that you guys would embrace the truth and become set free. it is from Holy Spirit's attitude, not mine. God bless you! :)
@@yosep3353 I'm not gay but your argument in my opinion causes some problems. First here's my issue as a straight Christian of over 3 decades. Early on as a Christian, I heard a lot of Pastors preach that everyone was made heterosexual and that only a few depraved minds chose to go against the natural order and have homosexual sex. deviants they were called. No Pastor for a long time ever acknowledged that people were made gay (attracted to the sale sex). So most of the remnant arguments and beliefs stem from these early ideas.
By saying that GOD in fact created people with same-sex attraction which heterosexual Christians say that they are born with their attraction as well, this leaves the Church in a problematic position. If GOD created people with same-sex attraction then we are no longer talking about sex alone. See Conservative Christians (of which I am one of) make homosexuality (verb) about the act of sex, not attraction or being a homosexual (noun). As a heterosexual man, I am attracted to women, which means not only do I want to have sex with a woman but I also want a life partner that is a woman, I want intimacy and wholeness with a woman. Someone to share my life with.
Before the Church said all people were heterosexuals committing homosexual sex acts. However, same-sex attraction means that there are people who want everything heterosexuals do intimacy, a life partner, and sex. Now Scripture says that sex outside of marriage is forbidden, don't have sex before marriage, don't have sex with someone else outside of your marriage but it's clear marriage is the covering GOD has given us for sexual purity, intimacy, a lifelong partner, etc. My wife isn't just a sex partner to me, she is so much more.
Yet, Christians don't apply the same sexual morality to homosexuals or same-sex attracted people, they say not only can you not engage in an intimate sexual relationship outside of marriage like Heterosexuals are told no to, you can't seek to find a person and marry them and have the same covering heterosexuals do.
So many Christians have become caught somewhere in the middle, they say that same-sex attracted people are gay, they're made that way but that they need to be celibate.
Again reducing it to a sex act. Yet basically saying "Don't ever think about falling in love, having a lifelong companion or a deep intimate connection with anyone else unless you have it with a person of the opposite sex. However, that's like telling me that I can't marry a woman but either be celebite or marry a guy. I might be able to do it, but I wouldn't be attracted to that guy. And we have a long track record of what forced celibacy in the Church has been like so good luck with that.
So what about the Bible? Christians can end up debating this and I don't have any real solid answers except that I have issues with Christians who take Scripture out of context, and ignore some obvious contextual and theological issues to force verses into a narrative.
As an example, many Pastors then and still do today preach that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality. This is contextually and we find out latee in Jude and 2 Peter that it's not accurate at all. Jesus (links), Jude, and 2 Peter 3 quote the book of Enoch showing the Flood and Sodom were destroyed because of the fallen angels having sex with human women to create hybrid abominations. Now a lot of Christians will claim the book of Enoch is inaccurate, and unreliable, except the NT quotes and references it. Jude references it by name and quotes it directly. Now I am not saying Enoch is biblical canon but it tells us what we need to know about the flood and Sodom.
That brings us to Leviticus who Moses wrote 2600 years after Adam and Eve. Romans 1 is also a parallel passage to Leviticus 18.
Leviticus 18 has a few things we should consider. GOD speaks to Moses about the Children of Israel. And says: Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 According to [a]the doings of the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings of the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their [b]ordinances. 4 You shall observe My judgments and keep My ordinances, to walk in them: I am the Lord your God.
So the first thing we need to look at is if the person is a child of GOD, saved by Jesus or not. If they're not then focus on the Gospel, and learn how to deal with the hypocrisy.
Christians like youself are now saying GOD creates people who are attracted to people of the opposite sex (heterosexual- noun) and people who are attracted to the same-sex (homosexual- noun). Now Christians as I have said focus on the verb (the sex act) rather than the noun, the attraction. I can't choose my attraction but I can choose not to act on it. However, for the Heterosexual Christian the message is no sex until marriage, and no sex with someone outside of your marriage. But for homosexuals the message is different, no marriage, or long term relationship ever for companionshp and no sex ever unless you find a person of the opposite sex.
Hypocrisy. As long as you have an answer for that, then it should be alright. Mentioning hypocrisy I would encourage you to read 1 Timothy 4:1-5 which tells us in the last days (which we are in) many Believers will fall away from the faith, adopt doctrines of demons and hypocrisy by forbidding marriage..." the only group I can think of that forbids marriage today is conserative Christans. Just some thoughts. Take care.
You are quoting the words of man, not the words of God.
Paul stated his teaching were not taught to him by anyone else but directly from Jesus so yes it’s from God, not just man.
Saint Paul to the best of our knowledge never met Jesus during his earthly ministry. Jesus preached love not hate as the Bible is interpreted today. God loves me as he made me. He has also given me the love of another wonderful man. I hope you have the happiness that God has given me.
What does mean by LGBTQ and what does mean by homosexuality? He doesn't know the subject. A man or woman born as what he/she is physically but by the functions of endocrine systems they may have the opposite charectors. Nobody can change it either by counselling or by medicine. It is the truth and they cannot consider as homosexuals. As per their internal anatomy and physiology are differently arranged, it is not by him or by anyone else. It is the same God who created the man and woman in the right way . So try to understand and preach , other wise it will not truth. The things that is not true is lie and the lie is the language of Satan. American psychiatric counsil, some psychological bodies, and many other scientific bodies have conducted many experiments and have proved that these kind of people's life is not their choice but their anatomy and physiology. Don't be the people who tortured Galileo and other scientists in the history. Don't be bigger than God !
Fully misguided
Homophobia was always the real sin
how can a book 1000s year old get anything wrong about a term that's only been around 20yrs or so but no it does not matter to me what or how someone lives their lifes. Just keep it to your self your business. Lets be honest the bibles been rewritten enough you really dont know what exactly god thinks. As only parts of it and even then the wording was changed by men with their own agenda - mostly money people are going to live the way they want you can approve or not they will not care thats just how it goes now just understand there is a objective of getting things normalized by not accepting that you make a stand.
You are wrong. The Bible has not been rewritten incorrectly. We have thousands of copies of ancient texts of the Bible in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, to say the least. We have more copies and older copies of the Bible than any other documents out there. While it may be challenging to put things in English that were common phrases in Greek the many translations that we do have available plus all the exegesis of the books of the Bible give us a very clear meaning of the Word of God. There are some places where the Bible is ambiguous on purpose, but sexual morality isn’t one of them. Guy is very close on this. Queer people deserve love and understanding even though a gay lifestyle is against God’s purpose. You need to educate yourself before spreading this misinformation. You should read these 5 verses from various translations and see where the differences are. Mostly they show up as word for word or phrase for phrase translations of the Bible, so the meanings are there. A good app with over 60 translations is the YouVersion Bible app. If you haven’t read it you really can’t judge it. It is the most accurate set of historical documents that we have available to us. And that’s fact, not opinion.
@@LoriDRBlake I am not supplying misleading information this is well documented books were altered like book of Leviticus and removed like but not limited to Ezra,2 Ezra,Tobit, Judith, The rest of Esther ,
The Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (also known as Sirach), Baruch with the Epistle Jeremiah,
The Songs of the 3 Holy Children, The History of Susana, The Prayer for Manasseh, 1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees, Bel and the serpent (dragon) this does not cover any of the dead sea scrolls which mostly should also be included if they were complete. Not to mention translations even today are not perfect so many times meanings may be misconstrued but we can agree to disagree np and at no time did I say gay people didnt deserve love or understanding they are more than intitled to both maybe more since they were put down for many years - I just said by all means go live your life just dont want to hear about daily
@@ivannightly1919 "live your life just dont want to hear about daily" where exactly do you hear about it daily
@ghtly1919 Your just wrong.
First of all when translating from one language to another there are certain words that are difficult to translate because the meaning in the destination language is hard to convey because of euphemisms, idioms and sometimes there is no single word that will translate into the destination language from the original. The majority of the bible is accurately translated, a small percentage maybe 1% gives bible translators problems because it is difficult to translate. This is the reason the NET bible was created which includes translator notes presenting the choices that translators had in a particular situation.
There are around ~6000 complete manuscripts and fragments of the Greek New Testament found, along with ~10,000 Latin manuscripts and ~9000 in other languages such as Syriac, Slavic, Gothic, Ethiopic, Coptic, Nubian, Armenian from 125CE to the 15th century . Thats 25,000 copies of the New Testament that attest to each other. Any corruption found will stick out like a sore thumb because the Gospels of the bible and the letters were copied by scribes and sent around to all the Churches of the known world, each church had its own copy and made copies as their copies would eventually fade. The same methods were used to maintain copies of the Hebrew and LXX bible. So if a manuscript in Rome was different to a manuscript in Sinai or the subsequent child copies, that corruption would have been pointed out by secular scholars many decades ago and there are none.
Every time they find an older scroll it is compared to a copy of a later scroll to see if there is any "corruption". All they find is minor changes in the form of typographical errors or spelling mistakes. Nothing changes the core message or important doctrines. This is the comparison that happened when the found the Isaiah scroll. Nothing was changed.
If you every study Greek, Latin, or Hebrew you will learn these things as the professors from both secular and religious backgrounds are well versed in ancient texts.
So stop propagating hearsay. If you want to be accurate quote your sources and present actual facts.
only 1 " AL QUR,AN " till the end ❤
Since i knew the truth that Muhammad marry aisyah when aisyah still s1x year, i left islam. I'm ex muslim now
I'm gay
I'll pray for you.
I pray for homophobics@@timothykissinger4883
and?
LGBT is presented as a fashion, people believe that it is not a perversion, but these LGBT publications are the biggest shock for world morality and should be banned immediately.
You seem to be justifying WHO YOU ARE...
Not love shared - as a gift from God.
Religious assertions on behalf of the Divine have existed throughout history.
Homosexuality existing naturally in 480 species as well as humans.
Stephen Fry is a shining intellect with HUGE HUMANITY.
Elton John and David as partners are raising kids... in Love and Respect.
How come so so many talented human beings throughout history have been gay??
Oscar Wilde, Aristotle, Hadrian, Alexander the Great, Florence Nightingale, Lawrence of Arabia... Alan Turing (who broke the Enigma code in WWII and was made an outcast instead of a hero.... just like Oscar Wilde...
LOVE IS NATURAL AND A BLESSING
Condemnation on behalf of your version of a book written by men is very sad and nothing to do with the Divine in All of Us.
Two versions available of the BIBLE: choose -
Book Inspired By Love Eternal
OR
Bigots Instruction Book Legislating Everything.
Three versions of GOD:
Gift Of Divinity
Get Our Dollar (televangelists / prosperity gospel - favs)
Guilt Of Damnation - the Sin stuff obsession with sex...
and lastly a version of ALLAH...
A Loving Life Achieves Holiness
So.... GOD is LOVE is all we need to know about the Divine.
All the rest is manmade cultural religious rhetoric...
homophobiocs can't justify who they are
God created men and women watch out ! Signs of last days
he also created LGBT men and women
@@pastorbri Nope, that's the life they picked.
@@user-tf3ft8ku6m yes homophobics did pick their demonic lifestyle so we must help them out of it eh?
@@user-tf3ft8ku6m why did u choose the homophobic lifestyle, why did u pick this as a way of life???? When did u think homophobia was the right lifestyle choice for u??? Did satan help u?
In my point of view, You just talked a lot and at the end of it, you sounded like homosexuality is valid in the bible, and even talked about respect, which the bible dont do, WE SHOULD BE THE ONE RESPECTING THE BIBLE AND DO WHAT IT SAYS, which is that homosexualitywill just lead you to do ungodly things,
The Bible isn't wrong, you are. Make the distinction.
Flip that around.
Did you even watch the video?
@@christopherraiford8290 What makes you think I didn't?
@@inYTbio_SiteLINKs2Verses_Bruv who are you referring to is wrong? The video was on point
@@christopherraiford8290 I say it isn't. And between us? I would know.
I can't believe you could pack so many errors in a six minute video. Here's the "clobber" texts compared to what you claim:
Leviticus "lying with a male a womanly bed is against Israelite religion"
you: lying with the same gender is a sin
Romans "male idolaters did unseemly things with each other"
you: lying with the same secs is a sin
1 Cor 6/1 Tim 1 "male-bedders" did something so bad it was incompatible with God's kingdom
you: loving relationships between two men/women is a sin
The mistranslation of 1 Cor 6.9 is obvious and easily demonstrated. compare various translations side by side and see how their scope is incompatible. While Bible translations are overall sound, inaccuracies and errors in specific details are very common.
Nah, these all refer to consensual abominations between the same gender, all scholars agree.
Christianity will pass. Homosexuality remains forever.
Above comment.You are wrong other way round is correct
@@margaretrobinson-sn2nb all religions are man made and impermanent. Homosexuality existed long before christianity and will continue to exist long after christianity has disappeared. Homosexuality remains forever. Just accept it. Homosexuality is here to stay. It always has and it always will be.
I believe mere homosexuality is never a sin. When homosexuals force their beliefs and practices to school children, then that's where our opinion on these group differs.
@Christopher Herndon Precisely. Homosexuality is not necessarily a sexual activity. Perhaps the reason why Pope Francis openly welcome homosexuals."Who am I to judge?"
@@normarosales1768homosexuality is a sin and you will end up in Hell for that if you don't get sanctified.
Homosexuality is an abomination to God and yes it is a sin.
what about when homophobics force their beliefs and practices to school children, then that's where our opinion on these group differs.
@pastorbri Who are you to Judge what Parents should teach to their children?
Yeah they have used the Bible as a weapon, religion got me feelings embarrassing why I am so timid of coming out
Just know the Bible has nothing to do with religion. Religion is made to separate man. The Bible is to have a relationship with God! And not to be used as a weapon
I lose 5 min of tears...
...everytime there's a outraging conflict in my christian community and I imagine the topic was LGBTQQIAA+
...everytime my pastor's calling me "broken" for not being attracted to women like "normal" men
...everytime I hate myself for being me