Knull is a primordial entity that existed before the universe itself and could solo celestials.. He is LEAGUES above Odin and hela. Did you really say knull was still young and couldn’t take on Odin and hela? He’s BILLIONS of years old possibly older. This was a big oof.
Relax champ. Just cause u found out who knull was when love and thunder came out and u became a huge YT video expert on him lol. he’s trying to say knull was still early in what he was trying to plan out not that he was young but his start on this journey was early and Odin and his crazy daughter caught him slipping. It’s a strong THEORY bud. Can’t wait to see your YT video explaining it
@@joshuasullivan9501bro Knull killed celectials for breakfast which most are stronger than the gods so wym Knull is apart of the anti all you sleep just like Knull would sleep Odin
I’d like to think that Odin banished Knull using Eternity to the Sony Universe. And Knull knowing that Venom was teleported to the MCU is hunting Eddie and Venom to use them as a gateway back home.
This is a very interesting theory! I have something to add to it what if Knull Made a deal with Odin to Make Hela’s crown because the crown gives her the power to make Necroswords or Knull already made The crown and the sword and Hela took the crown and eventually Gor found the sword
What if "Necro Sword" is just a classification of sword type? Rather than a singular title for one sword. Hela's would be manifest as infinite blades, Knull's as his symbiote sword and armor, and Gorr's as having shadow magic. All of them could be linked by forging with dark magic. Forge it with Dark magic and little piece of yourself (like a jedi) and as a god/harbinger of death/oblivion, then you make your own "Necro Sword".
the necro sword also known as all black is one of a kind, hela is the goddess of death a power given to her by odin when he slept with death herself the grim reaper kinda.. is a chick and is her mother her power is similiar to knulls creating weapons from darkness knull is a primordial god of darkness the darkness that was there before the celestials created the big bang planets and suns and planted seeds in the planets to become new celestials when the planets got enough people, people worshipped things like the trees and the suns and made gods and manifested them through believeing in em like in the beggining of thor 4 so knull sent the sword to make gorr kill the gods knull is an enemy of celestials and their creator he sends his sword around the multiverse to create chaos and anarchy like gorr also theres only one of him and he sits in a thing called the hive or the symbiote home planet kinda like the tva outside of the timeline thats why symbiotes aint affected like when peter was changing things venom kept moving but he was aware also in tva when loki said something about killing the tva because its dark or some shit like that mobius said no thats the other guy ill gladly help u burn that place down talking about knulls hive knull wants to destroy all timelines and go back to being nothing but darkness so hes everybodys enemy pretty much
It might explain why the Asgardians aren't seating with the council of godheads. Zeus was already afraid of the necro sword, which can pierce and kill a god. Hela by extension became a weapon against the other gods (as seen with her cutting thor), a weapon that Knull might have allowed because he wanted to pit the Asgardians against the council of godheads. Since Knull executed a celestial, it seems like his plan is to eradicate the gods of multiple universes (for an agenda yet unknown).
I really hope they do this if/when Sony brings Knull to the MCU. It would have been nice if Gorr’s Necrosword could have been Knull’s symbiote but it really doesn’t have any similarities to symbiotes. Hela’s Crown on the other hand has a lot of similarities to symbiotes. It is seemingly stored within her body, it can shapeshift and it can generate weapons not disimilar to the hardened blades that symbiotes like Riot and Carnage have used.
I don't think so. A Necroscowrd is a weapon, but it is just a weapon because it is just a Necrosword. Knull's weapon is called "The All Black Necrosword," so it is a special type of sword made by him. I believe that Hela can make Necroswords, but she can not make and doesn't have, "The All Black."
Sorry but you're wrong. Knull was in the 616 universe before the celestials or Asgardians. Even in the MCU, Thor the Dark World, Odin talks about how all was darkness when the dark elves reigned. And Bor, Odin's father fought a war trying to exterminate them
Unlikely as the entirety of Asgard at whatever Prime Juncture, posing any hinderance to the King in Black actually would be, the behind the scenes dynamics might have in fact favored some circumstances whereupon your Theory in 616 were in fact possible. Its truly a nice basis that allows answers for many specific details. So I'm giving the Thumbs Up on this 1
Knull killed the celestial by making a weapon from his own shadow. Oden and Hella have never killed a celestial, and it wasn’t from lack of trying on Odins part
Knull does have variants, yess! but in MCU the Exolon symbio could be a variant or one of knull's finest symbiote soldier hurdling across the virgin universes infecting it knull's dark essence,by riding on Grendel the dragon that's made out of symbiosis and its bones can look like the necro swords, instead of codex , exolon maybe marking that areas by dropping the necro swords and hela the sole warrior defeated this grendel and put an asgardian witchcraft spells and sigil on those necroswords that obeys hela's norms instead of exolon and banished exolon into abyss! Banishing someone is not new for the asgardians,since generations. We also have exolon worshippers in the MCU as well , Exolon does have history with kree soldiers. This Banished exolon could have taken a form of his master - the very look of an dark elf via the bones of dark elf and named himself as the Zak-Del.
Watch Venom the Last Dance? He finally entered Marvel? Hela is a powerful being using the names of powerful things. To put fear into her enemies. To command a great army. She does not have the powerful things. Like many people they referred them as the original but honestly. They never have any of it. ? They want to find it. So they can be the real original owner of it?
I guess I had just assumed that Hela was kind of like Lancer from Fate Stay/Night, and she had amassed a collection of blades that she stored with magic.
This theory is easily debunked. Knull is way older than the universe and has always been. So Hela isn't old enough to meet "Young Knull" he existed before even creation itself and the big bang.
1 major reason this couldn't work - Knull is a multiversal being like Galactus. There is only one of him in the entire multiverse. Also, he would utterly destroy Hela with ease.
@@kalmtraveler being a multiversal being like galactus would have Knull the only one in the multiverse which is not true as 1 Knull was killed by venom and other was by carnage
Your theory isn't fun. It's straight up dumb. Knull is billions of years old. Existed before the very creation itself. Also there is only one Knull in all of the multiverse.
It doesn't make sense for multiple Knulls to exist out there but only 1 single Hivemind across the entire Multiverse. Like how Tom Hardy's venom remembers Tobey Maguire Spider-Man from the Topher Grace's venom meaning there is only 1 hive mind across all universes yet multiple Knulls? Knull who made this single hivemind?! Doesn't make sense
Actually spiderman have killed knull before by sound in mcu. Also knull can be killed in some ridiculuos ways but possible if the author is a good writer like trapping knull in a spider web so that knull cant move and black widow will sneak behind him and stab him with lethal injection but it will be difficult but still have high chances to execute this mission. thank me later.
The MCU isn't Earth 616. They may call it that occasionally in the movies but that is cuz the writers of the different movies n shows don't communicate with each other. The Spiderverse movies get it right tho that the MCU is on Earth 199999. So ur title is wrong n misleading. I was like, "WTF? When did thta happen in the comics?"
Knull is a unique entity in the multiverse… there is 1 of him… so knull is ether in the spider verse or in the mcu… or he jumps verses? So i dont think hella killed him if he is in Venom 😅
People just be making up stuff. Which is why there are too many stories to tell and too many directions to go. The tripped out part is when people try to make since and pull together a story line.
This Might Be Your Weirdest theory ngl how tf is hella supposed to be even near knull not even odin is getting at that level .even if he had all the stones at some point he still cnat use them like ultron did. Idk bruh
Banish is the only thing that Odden and Hella can do to knull Oden broke even with Galactus Galactus loses to the powerful Eternals knull killed one of the eternals. I think it’s pretty clear knull would win if it was a fight to the death.
The story is only told by Knull himself and as much as you know the celestial was a pacificist. In another instance, Knull employed a Symbiote-controlled Celestial to aid him in battle, only to have Venom behead it. Sounds like it doesn't take a god at all to remove a Celestial's head.
No there is only one knull in the mcu multiverse, as said by venom in the post credit scene on let there be carnage... 80 billion years of knowledge over UNIVERSES would explode your tiny little brain!
Knull is in a different class as hela knull killed celestial hela doesn't have to power to defeat knull sorry but this is true and we are talking about MCU hela not Norse mythology hela which was way way move powerful where does this info come from that hela could stand a chance againest knull🤷
How can anyone even talk about this subject honestly. Everyone is mixing so many sources and nothing is canon at this point. Marvel/MCU/mythology Even the Official license holders conflict their own IP.
Dude, stick with Star Wars and even with Star Wars stay away from Marvel comics knull killed a celestial with little effort I might add Odin and Hella have never killed a celestial or even came close. There is no way hella is killing knull. Do you even read the comic books?
Have you ever read the comic books? Odin has never tried to kill a Celestial, he demonstrates strategic thinking and power by thwarting their plans and protecting the Realms. It's not even his style.
Knull is a primordial entity that existed before the universe itself and could solo celestials.. He is LEAGUES above Odin and hela. Did you really say knull was still young and couldn’t take on Odin and hela? He’s BILLIONS of years old possibly older. This was a big oof.
Relax champ. Just cause u found out who knull was when love and thunder came out and u became a huge YT video expert on him lol. he’s trying to say knull was still early in what he was trying to plan out not that he was young but his start on this journey was early and Odin and his crazy daughter caught him slipping. It’s a strong THEORY bud. Can’t wait to see your YT video explaining it
Agreed! He was strong enough to kill a Celestial without the Necrosword. Odin and Hela did not Tango with the Celestials, coz of fear
EXACTLY
This is the mcu we are talking about, chances are they’ll make Knull weak.
@@Demonoicgamer666 Sadly you are right
Bro Knull would wreck Hela easily!
Not with odin on her side
Facts he’d beat tf outta them
@@joshuasullivan9501bro Knull killed celectials for breakfast which most are stronger than the gods so wym Knull is apart of the anti all you sleep just like Knull would sleep Odin
Odins weak@@joshuasullivan9501
Odin first born? You serious?
Knull is so old that hela wasn't even born yet
Even odin was younger than him
Knull existed before Universe existed
I’d like to think that Odin banished Knull using Eternity to the Sony Universe. And Knull knowing that Venom was teleported to the MCU is hunting Eddie and Venom to use them as a gateway back home.
I like that one
Yeah man sounds about there
This is a very interesting theory!
I have something to add to it what if Knull Made a deal with Odin to Make Hela’s crown because the crown gives her the power to make Necroswords or Knull already made The crown and the sword and Hela took the crown and eventually Gor found the sword
Love this. I was literally watching and thinking wait is her crown or mask crown lol connected to this as well
What if "Necro Sword" is just a classification of sword type? Rather than a singular title for one sword. Hela's would be manifest as infinite blades, Knull's as his symbiote sword and armor, and Gorr's as having shadow magic. All of them could be linked by forging with dark magic. Forge it with Dark magic and little piece of yourself (like a jedi) and as a god/harbinger of death/oblivion, then you make your own "Necro Sword".
the necro sword also known as all black is one of a kind, hela is the goddess of death a power given to her by odin when he slept with death herself the grim reaper kinda.. is a chick and is her mother her power is similiar to knulls creating weapons from darkness knull is a primordial god of darkness the darkness that was there before the celestials created the big bang planets and suns and planted seeds in the planets to become new celestials when the planets got enough people, people worshipped things like the trees and the suns and made gods and manifested them through believeing in em like in the beggining of thor 4 so knull sent the sword to make gorr kill the gods knull is an enemy of celestials and their creator he sends his sword around the multiverse to create chaos and anarchy like gorr also theres only one of him and he sits in a thing called the hive or the symbiote home planet kinda like the tva outside of the timeline thats why symbiotes aint affected like when peter was changing things venom kept moving but he was aware also in tva when loki said something about killing the tva because its dark or some shit like that mobius said no thats the other guy ill gladly help u burn that place down talking about knulls hive knull wants to destroy all timelines and go back to being nothing but darkness so hes everybodys enemy pretty much
It might explain why the Asgardians aren't seating with the council of godheads. Zeus was already afraid of the necro sword, which can pierce and kill a god. Hela by extension became a weapon against the other gods (as seen with her cutting thor), a weapon that Knull might have allowed because he wanted to pit the Asgardians against the council of godheads. Since Knull executed a celestial, it seems like his plan is to eradicate the gods of multiple universes (for an agenda yet unknown).
I really hope they do this if/when Sony brings Knull to the MCU. It would have been nice if Gorr’s Necrosword could have been Knull’s symbiote but it really doesn’t have any similarities to symbiotes. Hela’s Crown on the other hand has a lot of similarities to symbiotes. It is seemingly stored within her body, it can shapeshift and it can generate weapons not disimilar to the hardened blades that symbiotes like Riot and Carnage have used.
I don't think so. A Necroscowrd is a weapon, but it is just a weapon because it is just a Necrosword. Knull's weapon is called "The All Black Necrosword," so it is a special type of sword made by him. I believe that Hela can make Necroswords, but she can not make and doesn't have, "The All Black."
Knull forged the sword from killing a celestial.
@@ayoa228 Yeah and everything that dies goes to her realm and she owns it. Just saying. She owns Knull after he dies as well.
This could work easily even with the Disney-Sony accord
Sorry but you're wrong. Knull was in the 616 universe before the celestials or Asgardians. Even in the MCU, Thor the Dark World, Odin talks about how all was darkness when the dark elves reigned. And Bor, Odin's father fought a war trying to exterminate them
When do they call Hela’s blades “necro-swords?”
Hela has the sword, but gorr had it in love and thunder?
Exactly doesn’t make sense
No, Hela made her own version according to this video's theory
Unlikely as the entirety of Asgard at whatever Prime Juncture, posing any hinderance to the King in Black actually would be, the behind the scenes dynamics might have in fact favored some circumstances whereupon your Theory in 616 were in fact possible. Its truly a nice basis that allows answers for many specific details. So I'm giving the Thumbs Up on this 1
Knull killed the celestial by making a weapon from his own shadow. Oden and Hella have never killed a celestial, and it wasn’t from lack of trying on Odins part
Bruh I don't even LIKE Knull (I find him uninteresting & mid) but COME ON! That's disrespectful to how he is portrayed, he would devour Hela
There is only one knull he live in the void he is the only one no other variant
Knull beheaded a celestial, turned it’s head into Forge to create the Symbiotes by Using A hammer and fire on the first necro sword.
Knull does have variants, yess! but in MCU the Exolon symbio could be a variant or one of knull's finest symbiote soldier hurdling across the virgin universes infecting it knull's dark essence,by riding on Grendel the dragon that's made out of symbiosis and its bones can look like the necro swords, instead of codex , exolon maybe marking that areas by dropping the necro swords and hela the sole warrior defeated this grendel and put an asgardian witchcraft spells and sigil on those necroswords that obeys hela's norms instead of exolon and banished exolon into abyss! Banishing someone is not new for the asgardians,since generations. We also have exolon worshippers in the MCU as well , Exolon does have history with kree soldiers. This Banished exolon could have taken a form of his master - the very look of an dark elf via the bones of dark elf and named himself as the Zak-Del.
Knull was already baddest before Odin and help were even born
Him and her are bestie they both have the same goals
Watch Venom the Last Dance? He finally entered Marvel? Hela is a powerful being using the names of powerful things. To put fear into her enemies. To command a great army. She does not have the powerful things. Like many people they referred them as the original but honestly. They never have any of it. ? They want to find it. So they can be the real original owner of it?
I guess I had just assumed that Hela was kind of like Lancer from Fate Stay/Night, and she had amassed a collection of blades that she stored with magic.
The only problem with that is they all either are the same weapon or the same aesthetic.
This theory is easily debunked. Knull is way older than the universe and has always been. So Hela isn't old enough to meet "Young Knull" he existed before even creation itself and the big bang.
False. Hela swords are manifestations of her power. Knull weapon the All Black is totally different things
Bro knull is still alive
Helas blades are made of necro magic it’s not the same thing😂😂😂
Wasn’t Knull was one of the combatants in the garden. In the comics Gorr stumbles upon two entities which seem dead by each others hand.
1 major reason this couldn't work - Knull is a multiversal being like Galactus. There is only one of him in the entire multiverse. Also, he would utterly destroy Hela with ease.
He's not, we've seen a Knull get killed by carnage
@@su93r62 the comics Knull is far more powerful than the MCU Hela.
@@kalmtraveler the argument is for Knull being a multiversal entity which is false
@@su93r62 according to Marvel, Knull is a multiversal being, so I'm not sure why you think otherwise.
@@kalmtraveler being a multiversal being like galactus would have Knull the only one in the multiverse which is not true as 1 Knull was killed by venom and other was by carnage
Knull would beat they ( asgard ) ass worse than thanos did hulk so no hela would get folded
The only weapon comparable with All Black is the Black Knight's Ebony Blade. The Necroswords seem to be generic by comparison.
Your theory isn't fun. It's straight up dumb. Knull is billions of years old. Existed before the very creation itself. Also there is only one Knull in all of the multiverse.
Why does knull looks like alucard (castlevania symphony of the knight) but upgrade god mode
I meant knull was already banished before Odin and Hera were even born
It doesn't make sense for multiple Knulls to exist out there but only 1 single Hivemind across the entire Multiverse. Like how Tom Hardy's venom remembers Tobey Maguire Spider-Man from the Topher Grace's venom meaning there is only 1 hive mind across all universes yet multiple Knulls? Knull who made this single hivemind?! Doesn't make sense
Actually spiderman have killed knull before by sound in mcu. Also knull can be killed in some ridiculuos ways but possible if the author is a good writer like trapping knull in a spider web so that knull cant move and black widow will sneak behind him and stab him with lethal injection but it will be difficult but still have high chances to execute this mission. thank me later.
The MCU isn't Earth 616. They may call it that occasionally in the movies but that is cuz the writers of the different movies n shows don't communicate with each other. The Spiderverse movies get it right tho that the MCU is on Earth 199999. So ur title is wrong n misleading. I was like, "WTF? When did thta happen in the comics?"
The people that make the movies haven't ever seen the comics lol
Is not a knull in every universe. Is 1 knull period
There is only one knull there are no other versions of him he has no variants
Knull is a unique entity in the multiverse… there is 1 of him… so knull is ether in the spider verse or in the mcu… or he jumps verses? So i dont think hella killed him if he is in Venom 😅
That scene at the end of no way home was retconed
Evan when knull was young he was probably 1 billion years older than odin
knull was invented in 2018.
People just be making up stuff. Which is why there are too many stories to tell and too many directions to go. The tripped out part is when people try to make since and pull together a story line.
This Might Be Your Weirdest theory ngl how tf is hella supposed to be even near knull not even odin is getting at that level .even if he had all the stones at some point he still cnat use them like ultron did. Idk bruh
I thought Knull cannot be Killed.
Banish is the only thing that Odden and Hella can do to knull Oden broke even with Galactus Galactus loses to the powerful Eternals knull killed one of the eternals. I think it’s pretty clear knull would win if it was a fight to the death.
The story is only told by Knull himself and as much as you know the celestial was a pacificist.
In another instance, Knull employed a Symbiote-controlled Celestial to aid him in battle, only to have Venom behead it.
Sounds like it doesn't take a god at all to remove a Celestial's head.
Knull is way beyond Hela.
It’s not why Hela killed Knull, but how she killed Knull. No way she can unless she got while sleeping or while eating 😂 (clearly I’m joking)
And knull would solo all of Asgard
😅dude your source of info is ridiculous!!!
No.
No there is only one knull in the mcu multiverse, as said by venom in the post credit scene on let there be carnage... 80 billion years of knowledge over UNIVERSES would explode your tiny little brain!
She didnt 😂
Knull is in a different class as hela knull killed celestial hela doesn't have to power to defeat knull sorry but this is true and we are talking about MCU hela not Norse mythology hela which was way way move powerful where does this info come from that hela could stand a chance againest knull🤷
How can anyone even talk about this subject honestly. Everyone is mixing so many sources and nothing is canon at this point. Marvel/MCU/mythology Even the Official license holders conflict their own IP.
Dude, stick with Star Wars and even with Star Wars stay away from Marvel comics knull killed a celestial with little effort I might add Odin and Hella have never killed a celestial or even came close. There is no way hella is killing knull. Do you even read the comic books?
Have you ever read the comic books? Odin has never tried to kill a Celestial, he demonstrates strategic thinking and power by thwarting their plans and protecting the Realms. It's not even his style.
Hela >>> Knull
This is stupid and I hope it isn't even remotely true. They are doing knull worse than they did hulk. Such a waste of an insanely powerful villain.
Donny Cates (creator of Knull) seems excited enough about what Sony is doing for Knull. So thats promising...🎉