At my baseline I only have 18% lung volume, but with my nebuliser and my other 24 different medications including controlled drugs and prescriptions at four times the maximum dose, I usually function at around 25%. My other problem is that I have "extreme" persistent atopic asthma as well and I also have a lot of upper body pain due to the same nerve damage that is closing my lungs down. My wife, who is hemiparuplegic and my inspiration and I live in a small ground floor flat. When I’m able I take my power tools outside our front door, and I bought a very cheap vacuum cleaner to attach to each machine in turn and the only thing it struggles with is my router. That’s my fault for buying a Silverline router table, but it’s light and serves my purpose without the extra shelves on. Even working outdoors I use the vacuum and always always wear a good quality mask. I won’t let my condition stop me doing things that matter to me like seeing my family, my bird watching, photography and making frames for my images, but I have to take extra precautions and I would ask others to do the same. Because of the way my lungs are failing, from the bottom up rather than the entire organ getting weaker, any dust will not be expelled in the usual way but will sit on the bottom of my lungs turning into nasty infections. I have another infection at the moment, which is my fifth serious one since May and I’m easily in double figures for the year. Or it might just be the same one that keeps returning. The reason I’ve gone into details isn’t to bring attention to myself, it is because of the importance of the subject, if you have a dedicated workshop a fixed extraction system is massively important. Even if like me you don’t have a permanent designated space it is still as important but you might have to be more inventive about how you manage the problem. Please, please, please, your masks are every bit as important as safety glasses or ear defenders, don’t rely on any of these machines to make the environment safe. Thank you for raising this massively important subject, and discussing some of the alternatives. I wouldn’t wish my condition on anyone and any thing that raises awareness I applaud, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Mark Harris when I first was working on jobs with dust from sweeping etc. At that time I didn't like sweeping preparing for jobs and always had sinus. We didn't have masks in those days and also smoke effected me from cigarette smoke. I had bronchitis when I was young and the injections were the probable cause. Later I wore masks and I no longer had sinus issues. Although smokers around still made my nose runny for over a day before clearing so I would avoid smokers as much as I could. Sanding timber without attached to a vacuum caused me to have a runny nose. After using dust collection using a festool I found I didn't need to wear a mask. So at what point do you see micro fibre particles and if the vacuum sucks this I don't know. When I see carpenters cutting treated timber without dust collection and no mask. They are exposing themselves to the toxins and the poisons of the treated material. As the the low end vacuum, I wonder how long it takes for the filter to clog and then not have the same sucking capacity.
Hi Peter Another great video thank you. I had the scheppach version found it grew to have on the van nice and compact. But gave up on it. It was great at sucking up the dust but terrible at keeping hold of it, a lot used to blow straight through the bag and filter. So it was great for hoovering up say saw dust and general coarser debris but awful when attached to a sander producing fine dust.
Cheers Steve. Yes, as I say in the follow-up vid, I didn’t have filtration info on the Aldi when I made the vid, but I do now - 1 micron for the Festool, 3 microns for the Aldi, so fine for sawdust, probs not so great with filler 👍👍
Just thought I’d let you know that I’ve had one of the workzone vacs that I had attached to my mitre saw and after 1 year it gave up the ghost, Aldi said not economical to repair and they no longer stock it, so it was full refund as under 36 month warranty 😉 now on the hunt for a more robust one!
Very fair and balanced comparison. I'm a pro joiner and I have the CTL-SYS - principally because my van is entirely racked out for Systainers and it therefore makes total sense for me, especially for small cutting, routing and trimming jobs where dragging in the larger extractor is cumbersome and unnecessary. Plus - every machine I own has a standardised hose connector. The price is indeed eye-watering, but it's a beautifully designed and built piece of kit - and to me (like all of my equipment) it's just a tax offset. I've tried out low-cost equipment before but I've found (in 100% of cases) that none of it is up to the demands of day in/day out heavy usage on a jobsite. But to a newbie, a DIY guy, or an occasional user, the Scheppach makes perfect sense. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Kevin! As I hope comes across clearly in the vid, I've had the CTL SYS since it came out 3 years ago as my 'installs' vac and it stands up really well to the regular abuse - I've no regrets at all about buying it, or any of my other Festool stuff, as their long-term value *to me* is clear. The CTL SYS is also an L Class vac, which the Scheppach isn't - I'll have a bit more on this in the follow-on vid, but that's why I haven't put this out as past of the Festool vs Cheap Tool series, since they're not directly comparable. And yes, the point of it really was to put the Scheppach through its paces with a view to someone starting out, or who only needs occasional cleanup after installs etc... It may not be up to the Festool in terms of filtration, but it's 1000 times better than nothing at all. And of course, it would also make a good basis for a DIY cyclone project in a home workshop. Cheers, Peter 👍
I’m a uk carpenter, and the reason I love this channel is not just the amazing content? It’s the personal touch Pete has with his audience!? Just binged watched 10 of the latest vids added a few comments here and there? My phone was peeping with his return comments while I was watching more of his videos! That’s gotta be the only woodworking porn channel that does that???? Respect brother 👍👊greatest channel imo?
Your cleaning comment is spot on. I install into peoples houses and we regularly get comments on the fact that we clean up afterwards. Can you believe some people walk in, drill red brick dust onto the carpets, and leave? I know this because customers tell me. Those guys are never going to get repeat business.
I've been told, buy the best you can afford. Sometimes, I can't afford that much. That Festool is just beyond my swing. It's either something I can afford, or nothing.
As a guy with a basement shop, I don't really need either of these, but I love this video. If I ever start doing some handyman work, I'll keep it in mind for sure. Thanks for the vid!
Not sure it has been mentioned but the quoted airflow rates are identical for these. Scheppach states 120 m3/h and Festool 2000l/h (equal to 120 m3/h)...so that matches your testing :)
Well this one is literally worth watching, just ordered one at the lower price. Most my kit goes in the back of my Golf, so this won’t take up too much additional space. I bought a Wickes wet and dry vac a few weeks ago which for the money is great but not very compact for this sort of usage and not intended for the sanding and drilling activities I need the ALDI vac for. Thanks for the heads up everyone.
Thanks for the video, picked up an Aldi return as my first dust collection tool. Shame it doesn't fit onto other Aldi products (sanders and circular saw) without the 'inner tube' work around but first trials at sanding in my 8x6 shed are very encouraging. I couldn't do that before, all such work had to be done outside. A great improvement for me.
I bought the festools sustainer vacuum, when I purchased the Domino. The 2 were about $1300. I consider the sustainer vacuum as a part of the Domino, as in an accessory, a convenience. It's a great vacuum, or extractor as you say. And, when I first bought it, I did use it for clean up, and I learned very quickly, it's only purpose is to evacuate the sawdust out of tools like Sanders, multi tools, Domino's, and track saws. It is a vacume, with a very specific use. Extend the life of tools, blades and sandpaper. It's not a tool for clean up, I have a small vacuum for that, but I don't work alone most of the time, and sometimes I'll pull it out so we can clean up faster.
I bought the Workzone vacuum after seeing this 2 years ago and it’s permanently hooked up to my Triton router in my makeshift router table. A great buy!
Thanks Peter for this video. Just been unto my local Aldi and purchased this item. Plus they have about 15 in stock at the moment. The ticket price said 19.99 so i thought sod it for £20 quid its saves my lungs. Got it to the till and a bonus £14.99.....straight back down the aisle to pick up some Tinnies to celebrate! £20 quid well spent.
I must live in area that doesn't like DIY. i bought a inverted welder the other month at my local store for £10. I can't weld but i will teach myself for that price!
Sorry to hear you missed out! Felt like a clearance to me, so not sure Aldi will be re-stocking but will keep our eyes peeled. I think there are still a few on eBay, or there’s always full price at Amazon - link in the video description 👍👍 And thanks!!
I picked one up a while ago as it stacks well with my tool boxes replacing a much larger shop vac which was always a pain. Had a couple of minor issues the switch on the top gets pressed when you stack stuff on it and the glue came unstuck on the hose and needed glueing back up. I was never going to spend 300 quid on a Festool so am very happy with it in general.
Peter Millard I have used and abused it, even sucked up some small rubble chips and it’s taken everything I have thrown at it. I think it’s great value for money!
Great video again Peter. I was just looking on the market for a Festool Midi because they have great filtration. I think the problem with cheap vacs is filters eventually blow out dirty air into the room as they clog up with with fine dust. This is problem I have found so far. That's why I started looking at the Festool vacs but they are soooo expensive. Maybe a new filter could be made for the Aldi vac by butchering a dyson sponge filter or something.
Thanks! All the Festool entry-level vacs have the same filtration, class L; Scheppach don’t appear to state a value for the HD2P so I’d assume it doesn’t meet that standard. I don’t think it’s as simple as putting in a finer filter as the whole enclosure needs to be airtight, and a finer filter would almost certainly lead to reduced airflow, and possibly over-heating and potentially a fire-hazard. Like most vacs, I think the Scheppach relies heavily on the bag for filtration, which is why it’s disappointing that there are no disposable bags available. 👍👍
There is a hepa filter available (marketed by festool) for the festools and in terms of filtration it passes the higher class. There are a few silly things that needs to be on a M-class vacuum for people who can't think but the filters and bags are the same. That filter on the aldi looks proper crap. Same with the hose. Festool hoses rocks.
I just bought the Aldi Vac off the back of this little review. I currently have a large CamVac, but its really far better as a chip extractor and is not portable. Something smaller would be much better for sanding and drilling. Thanks for doing the review, I wouldn't have even known about the Aldi vac otherwise.
Thanks! Wish I was on commission, lol! I have two bags permanently in the shop and the CTL SYS for installs, but I’m sure I’ll find a use for the Aldi 👍👍
i bought the workzone dust collecter for 40 pounds (new) from aldi and it is great.. youse it for saw dust etc i have loads of workzone tools are the best out there...nice video please more workzone tools...thank u
Wouldn't be surprised if they had the same motor and 'fan' inside. Great to see the suction (vacuum) test. The other important parameter to a dust collector is air flow. Don't know how one would test that. But don't confuse them the way you did at 12:12.
Thanks! Hadn’t considered they might have the same motor - better get AVE into another tear down, lol! Trouble with testing airflow (anemometer works well) is that it’s dependent on the hose size, unless you’re measuring off the motor, but then how ‘real world’ is that? And 12.12? I was weighing the lumps of MDF that both vacs almost, but not quite picked up. Was that confusing? Or was it the Kilos 😆👍👍
Thanks for sharing I found this well balanced and fair on each product I would try to find a way to put a longer hose on the work zone piece and use on it on site where tools are more vunerable to damage and theft. I love feststool products but. find they are not suitable for job site work they are a bit fragile and best kept in the workshop.
The reason why they have identical suction is because they both have the suction power maxed out with that hose diameter. Think of it this way, the vacuum does not really suck anything in. It just removes the air in front of the hose and then the atmospheric pressure pushes the dirt in. From this we can conclude that there is a maximum "suction" force for any vacuum cleaner. Also that this force would be less on top of a mountain for example. If you max out the air removal that is it. You have full atmospheric pressure. Where you would see a difference is if you were to increase the hose diameter. Then one vacuum would suck better then the other. Won`t work with a tool though since the maximum airflow through the tool would not change with hose diameter.
Good review overall but I think the suction test could do with a revisit (it was impressive though). The problem is all the test really showed was that the two tools could achieve the same final vacuum level. Dust extraction is about more than maximum vacuum though, if it wasn't then we'd all be using high vacuum pumps on our dust extraction setups. A good dust extractor for a tool needs to be able to achieve a good vacuum but also do it quickly, that way if your sander goes over the edge of the board you won't end up with a big cloud of dust while it re-establishes the vacuum. It's tough to test in a controlled way though, best I can think of would be to sand the edge of a piece of MDF and film it to estimate how much dust is escaping.
As you say, tough to show in a visually interesting way, though. Also I’m trying to avoid getting too much into the whole ‘science experiment’ thing as well - the methodology needs to be rigorous if it’s to be meaningful, and my little workshop is the exact opposite of a ‘clean room’ lol! The edge sanding test may have something going for it - like I did in the orbital sanders comparison, starts video #089 - but I suspect the results would be very similar to what we saw in this video. And tbh, there’s only so much testing this little vac warrants. 👍👍
Can you grab a caliper and tell us the OD of the Aldi hose and then the hard plastic hose end. I know you said it’s a 40mm hose, but I’m new to this and don’t know which part they are referring that measurement to. Thanks!
I’ll double check tomorrow, but pretty sure it was 40mm OD; the hard plastic end tapers, again just from memory I think 36mm to 32mm - but I’ll check when I’m back in the workshop tomorrow 👍
A couple thoughts/comments...I am the proud owner of both the CTL-SYS and the CT36, so I may be slightly biased in favor of the Festool. The only thing lacking on the portable is adjustment of the vacuum. For cutting tools that is not a problem, but for sanding, it is best to decrease the vacuum to eliminate chatter. As far as the comparison goes, you only used the Festool sander. Not all sanders are created equal, and another brand like Porter Cable or Dewalt might not have the same pass-through of air. I'm just sayin'.
Hi Ira, and thanks for your thoughts. I’ve owned the CTL SYS since they were available here (a little over 3 years) and it’s been my on-site install vac for all that time without missing a beat. And in all that time I haven’t missed the variable speed at all - I did a couple of very early videos about that exact thing, and sourced a bleed valve to allow reduced suction - but that’s mostly because I rarely do the kind of fine-finish sanding onsite. The Festool sanders do have particularly efficient air throughout - that’s why I used my RTS400 for this test, so we could see the kind of ‘suckage’ you get at the tool, with abrasive attached. I agree, using another sander or brand would reduce the effect, but I’d expect it do so for both vacs, equally. You might also want to take a look at my follow-up video, where I discuss filtration and noise 👍👍
Thanks! Out of stock at Aldi online since late Friday pm; if you have a local store they may have some stock, otherwise it’s the Scheppach from Screwfix (link in the description) or the Amazon link in the description (slightly cheaper) 👍
Enjoyed the video Peter, thankyou 👍👍👍. I don't think Aldi Oz sells that unit here, but you had some useful info and I will certainly be looking out for the video on how to have the vacuum start when the tool starts. It might be me, but I think your shop is looking less pale, you must have been vacuuming and wiping down surfaces, stock and fittings since your spray painting efforts maybe 😀
must admit I would use the aldi over the festool lets face it someone steel your festool you cry plus they are a thief magnet I have had so many tools stolen that I now leave festool on the shop shelf but one final point the filter in the festool are gold standard.
Agreed 👍🏼 A site carpenter mate picked up some sys units cheap. He kept his Makita kit in them along with screws, strip nails etc etc. 3 weeks of using them and the lot got lifted. The most he'd lost before was a few hammers. I'd also, knowing electronics and manufacturing, seriously question if the Festy is £240 better... and if so, what that money pays for in regards to components. Even with the added boards, moulding complexity etc.. I can't make the maths work.
Great video. Just need to make a cyclone box to sit it on and a long hose to the cyclone and it would be great shop tool for small shops. Don't forget 3 yr warranty.
Nice to see these videos without a load of stupid music,& Peter does a great job! If anyone doesn't like these dust extractors,-then wear a mask too,or hold your breath!
Absolutely brilliant video Peter. Very cool comparison, never even considered buying this type of shop vac before but I can see some good uses for it. Thanks for sharing!
I use a big Bosch GAS M class vac when in the workshop/sanding but I also keep a cheapo £50 laying about to stop the good one being damaged when abusing clearing up water or rubbleZ
Another fantastic review peter. £60/€70. Well worth the money. I spoke to a few building guy's recently; just conversational. & I noticed & they told me, they use Aldi/Lidl power tool's. I asked them why? & basically to sum up there thoughts...they have the Makita, festools, Dewalts etc but on site, they bring there cheap tools in case they get stolen. & if they break, there cheap to replace. But they all did say one thing: the quality for money is there! My little schappach band saw is still chooching along after 6 months. €110/£80. Well worth it mate.
Peter Millard. Cheers man. Had a look there. They only deliver to mainland UK. I've being using the mother's Henry the Ford escort hoover. But I'd like to get one. They had them over here a while ago. & I remember going...aaahhhh, probably a pile of shit. Wrong. Actually peter, I'm looking at getting a corded table saw. I don't no about a cheap one. There's the Lidl one next week €130. It's the most dangerous machine in a workshop, so im thinking: safety first but also middle of the road. €450-€550. As a pro, wud you have any recommendations?
I’m probs the last person to ask about tablesaws tbh - I worked wood for a living for the best part of 15 years without one, and only ended up with the one I have because it was ‘on special’ one time. So yeah, not much help there I’m afraid 😕👍
Peter Millard ah not to worry mate. I'm just shopping around for advice & doing a lot of research. Guys have recommend the Dewalt DW745/744 & the Makita MLT100. They both have there pros & cons. Though the Dewalt is looking like the winner. Cheers man.
me aul jazzer. Have a look at the Metabo TS. I love mine. It is not the most dangerous tool in the workshop, that's why we have push sticks. For repetition of cuts, you can't beat them. Once you are comfortable with them, you will wonder how you got by without one. I use a Class M Metabo dust extractor with mine - cleans the TS up nicely. The most dangerous tool is any that produces dust or paint particles - I am suffering from chest problems because I didn't wear masks or had adequate dust extraction (now moving over to M Class). Dust extraction and masks is a must before turning on any tool. Hope that helps. PS the LIDL TS is ok and will do to get you started. Both LIDL and ALDI produce excellent tools that now populate my on-site kits, along with Metabo stuff.
The Festool will probably keep going for years ,if the Aldi one packs up no big deal but your customers will probably be more impressed with your kit ,great vid Cheers
Yep, no argument there - the Festool vac in this vid is 3 years old and still going strong (obvs) but to be fair the Aldi has a 3-year warranty- and you don’t have to register to get it 😬. Oh, and I’ve never met a client who could tell a Festool from a Workzone, lol 😂👍👍
The drilling tool!!!!!!!!! I usually hold the end of the vac under the drill bit, a cheap floor tool of some sort with a hole in it will work like that drilling tool. That's a big why didn't I think of that moment for me. Now, back to the video. Great review, no brainer which to buy with an autostart plug ;-) Good video Pete, I couldn't cope without a power take off it's the whole point of having a decent vac on site. I use a Machine Mart Einhell wet/dry R2D2 type, which lifts the carpet provided the filter is clean. I also find it good for vacuuming outside when I've done a lot of cutting and inevitably the clients drive is dusty, you can never get it all with a brush. There's a blow facility on it too, which I sometimes use for the same thing blowing remaining fine dust into flower beds.
Cheers Graham. Festool make a drinking attachment, about £15 or so, works pretty well. Never thought of using the blower to blow dust into the flowerbeds, lol - genius! 👍👍
Looking forward to seeing how to make the auto start for vacuums that don't have this feature! I've been using a power strip that has a master switch. This is ok for lower voltage power tools. They are meant for computers and electronic equipment, like a computer and peripherals.
If you're in the US, Rockler offers a current sensing dual outlet for this application: www.rockler.com/i-socket-110m-tool-and-vacuum-switch Also, any of the many available current sensing outlet strips will do the job as long as you observe their current limitations.
This Ridgid vac is about the closest thing to an Aldi we can get over here: www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-4-5-gal-5-0-Peak-HP-Pro-Pack-Wet-Dry-Vac-WD4522/100638389
Thanks! Purely by chance Aldi had these in special at £29.99 the day this vid went live, so they sold out pretty fast - out of stock online within a few hrs on Friday. Scheppach version still available at the original price of around £75-80 - link in the vid description 👍👍
Old video I know but I watched this ages ago and thought what a bargain for £60. Well I picked one up today for £10 brandnew boxed , didn't need it but will definitely keep it as a spare or a dedicated car hoover.
What a great Channel Peter - I am a tiler with a keen interest in cabinet making... super content and a super presenter - better than anything on our rubbish bbc... keep up the good work....
Random woodbutcher here, got the Workzone vac and love it. Set it on one of the £10 wheeled plant movers that Lidle do, solves the short hose problem moving around a room, doing a ply underfloor. Love the stamp on on off switch and have a stamp on extension camel which I can plug this and whatever tool i need dust collection on. Having said that I still have a Hoover Aquamaster bought over 20 years ago which I used to clean up lose gravel chippings from the grass yesterday, that had overspilled from the rusty sheet tin I laid to get them delivery tipped onto. Much to the amusement of the guys laying the base for my shed, next project, but it 'sucked like a miner smokin a rollie after a cave in' and not a stone was left in the grass.
I have the Kity version. Same product, though. I am using it stationary at my routing/sanding station in combination with a cyclone filter. The only problem I have with the item is, that it literally stinks to heaven for weeks when you open the box.
No, it stank horribly after opening the "daisy fresh" :-D box and unwrapped the plastic. The plastic itself, not in use, yet. I had to let it vent outside for a week.
Interesting video, thanks - I would have liked to see how the Aldi vac worked after sucking up some dust - I've found that the Achilles' heel of cheap vacs is that sanding dust (especially from filler) blinds the bags and filters and the suction really drops off. Obviously your Festool has survived 3 years of this! I'd love to see a repeat of the filler sanding test that you did when comparing cheap vs Festool sanders as a way of comparing vacs. (I'll also be a bit pedantic and point out that static suction pressure - which is what you're comparing - is not the same as airflow. It's possible to get high suction as pretty low airflow,).
Thanks! Fair point about static suction pressure bs airflow - but how would I show (in a visually interesting way) airflow at the tool? And yes, the Festool bags typically are discarded way before they are filled when sanding filler - which is why it’s a shame that there’s no disposable bag for the Aldi. In this video the Festool had a new bag and (very) recent filter and the Aldi was brand new; I’ll be doing more tests when I’ve put a few miles under the Aldi 👍👍
Took my schapak extractor back after only 15mins ot use. Got Incredibly hot and spat out as much dust as it sucked up. I've now got the festool on order
Workzone tools just get better and better. The only thing I would say is that they are really aimed at the hobby/diyer. I bought a belt sander from them about five years ago and it was great using it occasionally. Never missed a beat. Then about 3 months ago I was using it for a bigger job that required it to be in constant use hours at a time for a week. The bearings just melted with that kind of usage. Apart from that workzone tools are great.
As an alternative for someone doing diy the evolution vacuume could be a good idea as that has power take off and it is about the same size as the festoon and the Aldi.
I guess there will be a follow-up video in a while. There are a few things that I feel was a bit neglected, which others mentioned in the comments also. - Antistatic hose which nowadays also is smooth, on the festool. - Higher air flow (by specs) at lower power usage. Power usage is usually not that interesting but it might reflect a better construction which might lead to higher... - ... suction when the bag is (near) full? - And of course filtering which is really good on festool vacs. I have a midi and the air is really clean that comes out of it compared to all vacs I have been around, including household versions. This is probably a good point for those that are using them in others home. It doesn't smell of dust afterwards. Some things for thought for the follow-up video :) Good video as always :)
Did you test the aldi vac with the thick piece of mdf and two pieces of 18mm, like you did with the festool? On the vid it seems that you had a different order in taping the pieces together: festool: 32mm, then 18, then 18, then 9mm. Aldi: 32mm - 9 - 18 - 18. To me it seemed that the aldi had some trouble moving around all 4 pieces, so i wonder if it can lift 32+18+18?
Did you cover comparative noise? (another relevant point for customer satisfaction). Accepting that the Scheppach bag is reusable, it would still be good to know how full the bag gets before it needs to be emptied. Thanks for an excellent review.
I bought this around 2 months ago, yes it's a powerful cheap hover I also had the Sander at the same time the one with the pole. The flex isn't no where near long enough, the flexi pipe is useless, and it doesn't fit the Sander that was on sale at the same time, so I binned the flexi and used the one that came with the Sander it's very good quality and longer, I also made some a adapters to fit the Sander and now it works pretty good, I can reach the ceilings now with the longer flex and it also fit's in the lid..
Peter Millard It's not bad at all, after getting the pipe to fit it extracts quite well, as long as you line up the holes with the Velcro pad. It does collect a bit of debris around the lip, but as long as clean it off it's pretty good. The weights ok to, I have nothing to compare it to, and it's I think 225mm disc...
I've used lots of extraction units especially premium branded like Makita and bosh Dewalt but when I spent serious money on nilfisk M class 110v power top push and clean the difference was huge Nilfisk was even better than my Festool at 400 notes.It was 380 quid well spent and id never go back to anything else again my nilfisk is just perfection day in day out on-site work and new build
Just watched your video. I realized this is two years old. The big distinction for me between the two vacs is the CTS SYS has a HEPA rated secondary filter. I would be concerned when vacuuming fine dust (like from sanding) with the Aldi that it would just send it through the bag and back out the exhaust vent into a cloud around you.
Whilst I appreciate your point, it’s important to understand that HEPA is a US standard that has no relevance elsewhere. Here in the UK the CTL SYS doesn’t come with HEPA filters, nor are they available - see above. And as the Aldi/Schepoach is 240v only, Aldi vs Festool is probably not a decision you’ll ever need to make. You might also like to take a look at video 216 - Bad Idea, or good? P1 here - ua-cam.com/video/rGTU5AL08Q4/v-deo.html. 👍
When you open the lid of the Festool i'm noticing that very fine dust has leaked in time from the seal of the bag opening. I know the filters will take care of this, but it shouldn't happen, it will shorten the filters' lifespawn/efficiency. A bag compartment should be 100% clean imo.
Non-issue for me - life is imperfect, after all. It’s the original filter, so a fair few years old, and stays far, far cleaner than any of my other vacs. 👍👍
Mine CTL SYS burned out just 1 month outside the warranty, used lightly too! Not sure if I should replace the motor or get a cheaper one. Cost of the motor for festoon is more than Aldi vac.
It's a tough one isn't it? Overall I'd take a repaired Festool over a new Aldi, I think, just for the convenience of being able to keep it in a stack of systainers on a roll-board - but if that's not what you do, then there are certainly cheaper options. 👍
Finally got an Aldi model from Ebay at £39.95. Wow. It is certainly a good little tool for me with DIY, although I still use a mask in my garage. I've tried a cyclone with my shop vac and it was great but so bulky and unsteady unless I was prepared to build a trolley for them both. The little Aldi chap will solve a lot of dust problems for me, so thank Peter for stimulating the chase for me. Would I spend the full price £80.00 for a Scheppach? Probably, but I can get some decent hardwood to work on for the £40 I've saved.
The only thing I don’t like about the festool boxes is you can’t lock them German products are always expensive I love the vacuum because you can clip the boxes on to it and festool has a hepafilter hoses fit their tools
It continues to surprise me that aldi (and lidl)s offerings are so different in different countries. Here in Belgium aldi tools are usually labeled “top craft” and there aren’t often any on offer. Lidl’s parkside brand on the other hand can be bought online all year round (on the Belgian lidl site)
Peter Millard fyi www.lidl-shop.be/nl-BE/Elektrisch-gereedschap/h147642 unfortunately only available in Dutch and French, but the pictures don’t need translation;)
Whilst you are buying tools at Aldi here's a tip to get you brownie points with your missus. If they have it in stock. Pay a fiver for a bottle of their No1 , No3 or No4 fragrance. I guarantee she won't be able to tell the difference between that and the equivalent from Jo Malone at £80 and you might get less earache for buying tools again. They did the same a couple of years ago with a famous fragrance and within days they were sold out once word got out.
As usual I found your video engaging to watch and well presented. Slightly disappointed that you didn't compare the vacs in some kind of realistic test. Not sure about you, but I don't normally use a vac for lifting up wood. Lol. Maybe you could have done some tests on the amount of dust left with your Mitre saw. Or maybe you could use your air quality meter after sanding with each vac
Thanks! No, I don’t typically lift blocks of wood with my sander, but as I say in the video, it was a way of demonstrating the amount of air each vac was moving through the tool, rather than the theoretical throughout at the motor that the manufacturers tend to quote. It’s about as ‘real world’ as you can get without turning the video into an ‘open university’-style science experiment. Yes, the difference in filtration will also have an affect, but again, how do I show that in a video and keep the ‘science’ rigorous enough for it to be meaningful? My air quality monitor works well, but it’s not a ‘scientific’ instrument. How far can I realistically go - will I need a clean room? I’m sorry you were disappointed, but with a video like this - a simple comparison between two vacuums - I do what I can 👍👍
Peter Millard Hi Peter. Please don't be offended. I enjoyed the video and appreciated the demonstration that you did. However it is not suction (static pressure) that captures dust. It is the amount of air being moved (airflow). Your experiment didn't measure airflow. It measured static pressure.
Hi Peter. I’m wondering whether you could compare the quality of the output air cleanliness using the particle meter that you’ve shown in other videos. Something tells me that the Festool probably would win that test.
Almost certainly - the Festool is a Class L vac (>1 micron filtration) the Aldi unclassified but Scheppach say >3 microns filtration. But in all honesty, I don’t know how I could realistically show that without some kind of clean room, and I’m not sure my little air quality monitor is up to the job on something that specific. But yes, it’s something I plan to try 👍👍
I don’t disagree, but these comparisons are all about seeing how they compare ‘out of the box’ ie as supplied by the manufacturer, and as most purchasers will use them. 👍👍
Peter Millard I see your point, at the end it matters how it performs when in use. The cheaper version cuts corners with lenght, diameter of hose and les restricting airflow filter, but if it is within the limits ones has, its dirt cheap..😉
I think you laid out the choice to make at the start of the video when you gave the advantages of the sustainer system. Festool is expensive, but a lot of the money is in the quality of the tool and the system built around each one. This allows you to deal with many situations that just having another brand tool won't. That Festool vac has 2 different sets of nozzles, 3 different bags types and other accessories including the CT wings available. Which along with Sustainer compatibility will allow you to cope with more situations that you find yourself in. Same reasons as the saws and other tools. Other tool brands and tools do the job perfectly well but the system approach allows you to work in more situations and profit due to efficiency. Tools are offset against your tax bill anyway which could be to your advantage. Cheap and DIY tools are really good quality compared to 20-30 years ago as manufacturing has improved, so the economics might work for some people. It's all about your approach to your work and organization.
Yes David - no arguments from me there. But if you’re just starting out then your tool budget has to stretch, and a small cheap vac like this is certainly better than none at all. And then when you move up to he Festool, you appreciate it 👍
You have a good sense of humor! 'They both suck', me thinking both are very bad, lol I just bought the festool and was wondering why you were not happy with it!
Haven’t had a chance to play with the Festool hoses yet - the D27 definitely not, but the D36 might. And no, the filtration certainly won’t be in the same L-class as the Festool, so you’d need to be careful what you use it with. Sawdust would be fine, I’m sure as it’s relatively coarse, but probably not say, MDF. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Long comment, sorry! Apart from PTO and hose / fittings quality, I'm sure it's the filtration quality that accounts for the biggest difference in price. A bit surprised you didn't mention that issue in the vid. Re: suckage -- I had to convert m^3/sec to litres/hour from the relevent Screwfix listings to make them comparable - for flow rate, turns out the Scheppach does 33 l/sec compared to the Festool's 50. Clearly that doesn't make much difference to suck-power. Ingenious test! I'm super-paranoid about dust - I use a cheap-and-cheerful £50 Titan to collect most of the bigger stuff, AND a 3M HF A2 P3 half-face respirator mask; expensive but worth it for peace of mind. Mostly cos I remember Grandad's garage ankle-deep with drifts of woodturning shavings and mountains of dust on every horizontal surface - I'm certain he never wore a mask in his life - once a year he swept it out with a yard broom just to keep it tidy. I'm sure that he regretted that greatly in the last 10-15 years of his life. It takes a long time to catch up with you, but it's pretty nasty if it does. That said, I smoke, so I'm doomed anyway :)
Where do you get the various adaptors from. I have the festool sander and the aldi unit but can't marry the hoses. I bought the aldi unit with the wall sander. Yet to use it but at the price with the 3 year guarantee I thought it was worth it....
Thanks! I've had those little adapters forever and I can't for the life of me remember where they came from! I've had a good search over the weekend and I haven't been able to turn anything up that's similar - plenty of stepped plastic adapters, but nothing like the rubber ones I have; makes you appreciate the rubber-ends to the Festool hoses, tbh - maybe there's a way to adapt a Festool end to fit??
Very nice video comparison Peter, that's a few of your comparison videos that i have seen and enjoyed, as they are all well explained so thanks for doing them. New Sub now. Barry (Wirral, ENG)
I have the Scheppach version, was great when I got it, but very disappointing in use. The filters didn't seem to protect the motor well enough, so after about 3 months use the power was greatly reduced, motor heated up severly when running for any length of time and it started thowing out more dust from the outlet than it collected in the bag!! Also putting that hose away again became a pain in the a***! I can't recommend buying this as a long term tool I'm afraid.. I used it with a cheap master and slave double plug so I had the power take off, I can recommend them!
I had a Scheppach getting on for 5 years ago(?) which lasted all of 3-4 months of light use (I didn't have a mitre saw, track saw or router(s) back then). I've now had the CT-SYS for a couple of years and throw way more at it. It connects to all my tools without adaptors that fall off, auto start and the longer (non snagging) hose is a joy. Assuming the Scheppach lasts 4 months (even with heavier use) I'd have gone through 6 of them. So yeah, I'd say it was worth it.
I had one of those aldi ones, had it attached to my orbital sander and after a few minutes could smell something funny, the dust collector had caught fire!
Hi Peter, great video. I have been very impressed with my Aldi vacuum cleaner its great for the money. As a DIYer it is so much better than none was. One question where did you get the rubber adapter you used with it and the sander?
Thanks Stuart! And exactly my thinking - it’s a great small, starter vac that will still be useful if you move into something else later. I’ve had those hose adapters for so long I can’t for the life of me remember where I got them from - it’s one of my jobs for this weekend to try and track something similar down as I’ve had a few Qs about them 👍👍
Interesting video and amazed how good the Aldi is. With relation to the test showing the level of suction both machines have, it reminds me of the demo they do on shopping channels when they pick up a bowling ball and that’s suppose to show you how wonderful the vacuum they are trying to flog is. Not totally sure of the physics but it you create a partial vacuum then it’s going to hold on the item you are trying to lift and it’s not really dependant on the power or efficiency of the machine. Just an observation and am ready to proved wrong.
Thanks! Ha! I see where you’re coming from re the shopping channel demo and I don’t disagree that what I did was an imperfect test, but I deliberately picked up the lump(s) of MDF & moved them around to try and ‘break the seal’ . Plus, this level of suction came through a tool, with abrasive attached - it’s not the kind of perfect seal that you’d get with, say the end of a hose and a bowling ball. But yes - I think there are a few more tests to be done on the little Aldi 👍👍
Peter Millard could prove or disprove my theory if you could somehow reduce the the power output of the vacuums and see if their lifting power is diminished.
Thanks Peter, I grabbed on at £30 as it’s a handy size and even if no good for fine dust it will be handy to hoover the car. Be interesting to know about filters. I assume they are both two stage filtration. 1. The bag and 2. The filter I guess Festool much better due to its large surface area paper filter opposed to the small workzone foam one. I think it is important to understand the filtration as I would not want to use it for MDF if it does not filter MDF dust. Of course I wear a mask but customers don’t Have you any details on the filtration ? I’m just off to google👍🏻😁 Thanks for another great video
Hi Jase, and thanks! Yes, I didn’t have the info on the Scheppach when I did the vid, but it’s 3 microns for the Scheppach bag and 1micron for the Festool. So fine for general sawdust, probs not so good for MDF without a mask, as you say. But about 1000 times better than nothing at all, of course... Plus it would make a great base for a DIY cyclone project 👍👍
I bought a titan wet and dry vacuum from screwfix for around £60. Have you looked into that one Peter? It is excellent blows as well as sucks. These two machines seem to have a small capacity. Do schepach make all work zone tools? Iv jus bought the work zone angle grinder for £19.99 a great bargain.
Thanks Scott. The point of these is that they’re small, with everything packing away into themselves, so perfect jobsite vacs for a few cuts, little bits of sanding and general cleanup,. Guys I know have the Titan and it’s a decent vac, but it’s a regular wet n dry ‘C3PO’ type of machine, so not really comparable to these 👍 All the Workzone tools I’ve used (ie both of them 😂) have been rebadged Scheppach; couldn’t say about the others I’m afraid 👍👍
Hi, I always enjoy watching your videos and was wondering if you would consider doing a Festool vs Cheaptool of the Kapex vs something like a Evolution mitre saw? Thanks Sam
Thanks! The idea of the Festool v Cheap tool was to get comparable products that are 1/3 to 1/4 of the price of the Festool and see how they compare. Not sure Evolution do a saw that’s really comparable to the Kapex, but I’ll take a look at their range, se what they have, OK?? 👍
+1 for that as I have a Evolution compound mitre saw & really like it, seems like excellent value for money (£160, bought direct) but I'm always keen to see what I missed out on. Plus, I bet Festool tech support isn't a geezer with a Yorkshire accent who, would tell you the only fix for your idiotic assembly mistake would be to void the warranty by drilling through the cast aluminium travelling head to access a spring-loaded catch.
@@imipak23 I moved from an evolution mitre saw to a kapex 120 recently, definately a difference in noise and dust collection and refinement on the adjustment on the kapex. I like the evolution saw and if I'd changed from the standard multi blade to a higher tooth count would have given similar clean cuts. I prefer the mechanism on the kapex similar to the Bosch glide that it can be up against a wall rather than bars out the back.
Having finished off my long suffering Henry hoover through ignorance I'm looking for a purpose made extractor. I assume that the Aldi machine has provision to keep the motor cool as the bag fills....thus the term extractor. The Festool machine presumably has a power take-off for the tool being used and controlled switching of the extractor. Does running the extractor on after switching off the tool extend the life of the extractors' motor?
Why do all these deals seem to come out just after I’ve completely blown through this months budget! First the band saw now the vac 😂 oh well they always come around again, on to the list they go. Good to know it’s actually worth the money, always wondered when I saw it before.
Hi! No, sorry - I’ve had those adapters forever and can’t for the life of me remember where I picked them up. It’s looking like the Festool rubber hose end is the closest thing that’s regularly available right now. 👍
Thanks Chris! That’s a good price - would you mind sharing a link if the eBay seller has any more as I know a few people were caught out by how quickly they sold at Aldi. 👍👍
No probs Peter, here's the link. It appears I got the last one - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Workzone-1250w-NEW-Electric-Blower-and-Vacuum-Inflator-Dust-Extractor-5L-240V/253793518862?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 Found the vac elsewhere on eBay for £38.98 delivered or best offer - www.ebay.co.uk/p/Workzone-1250w-Electric-Blower-and-Vacuum-Extraction-Unit/20021969705?iid=183352174571&_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D51875%26meid%3D6879b1e29fc142aab221d00be91a1687%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D253793518862%26itm%3D183352174571&_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985
Hi Peter, the facts you figured out wee really amazing, but one question regarding the filtersystem is not answered but for me interresting. How long last the various filtersystems before they are stucked up? - and a second one, down to which size are particles hold back. Greetings from Austria
Thanks Christian. Yes, the filtration is different between them - the Festool is a ‘proper’ Class L vac, so 1 micron or larger particles are caught, the Scheppach doesn’t have a classification. I didn’t have the information at the time I made the video but Scheppach say their filtration is 3 microns or larger, so clearly not as good. I haven’t used the Scheppach enough to test longevity, but I regularly throw the Festool bags away long before they get full as they lose suction after about the half-way mark. Hope that helps! 👍👍
I paid £30 for mine on an open box markdown... It's a good little vac! There are the limitations, as you point out, but for the cash, you can't argue. I find the dust collection is very good on a track saw, but utterly hopeless on a mitre saw but I suppose that says more about the design of the tool rather than the vac. Very much looking forward to your video on adding a power take off, speaking as someone with very limited sockets in the garage (workshop). Thanks for posting!
Would be interested in a (admittedly non-scientific) comparison of what the air quality in your workshop is like after a set amount of time sanding with each extractor attached. Not perfect, but would be an interesting comparison, especially as you have the readings from when you were spraying to be able to help give the air quality readings some sense. Part two perhaps?
Thanks Giles. I wanted to stay away from anything that was starting to look too much like ‘science’ tbh as it’d be a can of worms re the methodology; the ‘10-minute workshop’ isn’t a clean room and I’m the last person to be doing actual science! Plus I know from the specs that the Festool is a Class L vac (>1micron filtration) where the Aldi is unclassified, though Scheppach say it has >3 micron filtration. So no prizes for guessing which one would have the cleaner exhaust air. Good point about having a baseline WRT the spraying though - there might be something in it, as long as I can make it visually interesting, of course 👍👍
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At my baseline I only have 18% lung volume, but with my nebuliser and my other 24 different medications including controlled drugs and prescriptions at four times the maximum dose, I usually function at around 25%. My other problem is that I have "extreme" persistent atopic asthma as well and I also have a lot of upper body pain due to the same nerve damage that is closing my lungs down. My wife, who is hemiparuplegic and my inspiration and I live in a small ground floor flat.
When I’m able I take my power tools outside our front door, and I bought a very cheap vacuum cleaner to attach to each machine in turn and the only thing it struggles with is my router. That’s my fault for buying a Silverline router table, but it’s light and serves my purpose without the extra shelves on. Even working outdoors I use the vacuum and always always wear a good quality mask. I won’t let my condition stop me doing things that matter to me like seeing my family, my bird watching, photography and making frames for my images, but I have to take extra precautions and I would ask others to do the same.
Because of the way my lungs are failing, from the bottom up rather than the entire organ getting weaker, any dust will not be expelled in the usual way but will sit on the bottom of my lungs turning into nasty infections. I have another infection at the moment, which is my fifth serious one since May and I’m easily in double figures for the year. Or it might just be the same one that keeps returning.
The reason I’ve gone into details isn’t to bring attention to myself, it is because of the importance of the subject, if you have a dedicated workshop a fixed extraction system is massively important. Even if like me you don’t have a permanent designated space it is still as important but you might have to be more inventive about how you manage the problem. Please, please, please, your masks are every bit as important as safety glasses or ear defenders, don’t rely on any of these machines to make the environment safe.
Thank you for raising this massively important subject, and discussing some of the alternatives. I wouldn’t wish my condition on anyone and any thing that raises awareness I applaud, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Mark Harris when I first was working on jobs with dust from sweeping etc. At that time I didn't like sweeping preparing for jobs and always had sinus. We didn't have masks in those days and also smoke effected me from cigarette smoke. I had bronchitis when I was young and the injections were the probable cause. Later I wore masks and I no longer had sinus issues. Although smokers around still made my nose runny for over a day before clearing so I would avoid smokers as much as I could. Sanding timber without attached to a vacuum caused me to have a runny nose. After using dust collection using a festool I found I didn't need to wear a mask.
So at what point do you see micro fibre particles and if the vacuum sucks this I don't know.
When I see carpenters cutting treated timber without dust collection and no mask. They are exposing themselves to the toxins and the poisons of the treated material.
As the the low end vacuum, I wonder how long it takes for the filter to clog and then not have the same sucking capacity.
Hi Peter
Another great video thank you. I had the scheppach version found it grew to have on the van nice and compact. But gave up on it. It was great at sucking up the dust but terrible at keeping hold of it, a lot used to blow straight through the bag and filter. So it was great for hoovering up say saw dust and general coarser debris but awful when attached to a sander producing fine dust.
Cheers Steve. Yes, as I say in the follow-up vid, I didn’t have filtration info on the Aldi when I made the vid, but I do now - 1 micron for the Festool, 3 microns for the Aldi, so fine for sawdust, probs not so great with filler 👍👍
Just thought I’d let you know that I’ve had one of the workzone vacs that I had attached to my mitre saw and after 1 year it gave up the ghost, Aldi said not economical to repair and they no longer stock it, so it was full refund as under 36 month warranty 😉 now on the hunt for a more robust one!
Very fair and balanced comparison. I'm a pro joiner and I have the CTL-SYS - principally because my van is entirely racked out for Systainers and it therefore makes total sense for me, especially for small cutting, routing and trimming jobs where dragging in the larger extractor is cumbersome and unnecessary. Plus - every machine I own has a standardised hose connector. The price is indeed eye-watering, but it's a beautifully designed and built piece of kit - and to me (like all of my equipment) it's just a tax offset. I've tried out low-cost equipment before but I've found (in 100% of cases) that none of it is up to the demands of day in/day out heavy usage on a jobsite. But to a newbie, a DIY guy, or an occasional user, the Scheppach makes perfect sense. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Kevin! As I hope comes across clearly in the vid, I've had the CTL SYS since it came out 3 years ago as my 'installs' vac and it stands up really well to the regular abuse - I've no regrets at all about buying it, or any of my other Festool stuff, as their long-term value *to me* is clear. The CTL SYS is also an L Class vac, which the Scheppach isn't - I'll have a bit more on this in the follow-on vid, but that's why I haven't put this out as past of the Festool vs Cheap Tool series, since they're not directly comparable. And yes, the point of it really was to put the Scheppach through its paces with a view to someone starting out, or who only needs occasional cleanup after installs etc... It may not be up to the Festool in terms of filtration, but it's 1000 times better than nothing at all. And of course, it would also make a good basis for a DIY cyclone project in a home workshop. Cheers, Peter 👍
I’m a uk carpenter, and the reason I love this channel is not just the amazing content? It’s the personal touch Pete has with his audience!? Just binged watched 10 of the latest vids added a few comments here and there? My phone was peeping with his return comments while I was watching more of his videos! That’s gotta be the only woodworking porn channel that does that???? Respect brother 👍👊greatest channel imo?
Thanks bruv! Honestly, it just means that I have no life, lol! 😂😂👍👍
I am from the US and I also love Pete's videos. Especially the lingo. (Maybe you are looking that up.🤔) not sure if that just an American word.
Michael Stiller Thanks Michael! No, I think ‘lingo’ is pretty international 😆👍👍
Your cleaning comment is spot on. I install into peoples houses and we regularly get comments on the fact that we clean up afterwards. Can you believe some people walk in, drill red brick dust onto the carpets, and leave? I know this because customers tell me. Those guys are never going to get repeat business.
Exactly! Unbelievable what some people do! 👍
I've been told, buy the best you can afford. Sometimes, I can't afford that much. That Festool is just beyond my swing. It's either something I can afford, or nothing.
As a guy with a basement shop, I don't really need either of these, but I love this video. If I ever start doing some handyman work, I'll keep it in mind for sure. Thanks for the vid!
Thanks Matt! 👍👍
A proper review lists all the advantages and disadvantages...This IS a proper review thank you for all your reviews like this, they really help.
Thank you! 👍👍
The Aldi /Workzone is also an inflator. Unclip the hose entry point on the box and swap it with the exit filter on the opposite side.
Yes, the Festool does too 👍
Not sure it has been mentioned but the quoted airflow rates are identical for these. Scheppach states 120 m3/h and Festool 2000l/h (equal to 120 m3/h)...so that matches your testing :)
Well this one is literally worth watching, just ordered one at the lower price. Most my kit goes in the back of my Golf, so this won’t take up too much additional space. I bought a Wickes wet and dry vac a few weeks ago which for the money is great but not very compact for this sort of usage and not intended for the sanding and drilling activities I need the ALDI vac for. Thanks for the heads up everyone.
Cheers Mike 👍👍
Thanks for the video, picked up an Aldi return as my first dust collection tool. Shame it doesn't fit onto other Aldi products (sanders and circular saw) without the 'inner tube' work around but first trials at sanding in my 8x6 shed are very encouraging. I couldn't do that before, all such work had to be done outside. A great improvement for me.
I bought the festools sustainer vacuum, when I purchased the Domino. The 2 were about $1300. I consider the sustainer vacuum as a part of the Domino, as in an accessory, a convenience. It's a great vacuum, or extractor as you say. And, when I first bought it, I did use it for clean up, and I learned very quickly, it's only purpose is to evacuate the sawdust out of tools like Sanders, multi tools, Domino's, and track saws. It is a vacume, with a very specific use. Extend the life of tools, blades and sandpaper. It's not a tool for clean up, I have a small vacuum for that, but I don't work alone most of the time, and sometimes I'll pull it out so we can clean up faster.
That's a great combination, Domino & STL CYS 👍
I have one and found that the hose fits all my tools. Tho my tools are in the mid range and not the fancy festool. I look forward to the next video
Good to hear, thanks Robert. 👍
I bought the Workzone vacuum after seeing this 2 years ago and it’s permanently hooked up to my Triton router in my makeshift router table. A great buy!
Great to hear, thanks! 👍
Thanks Peter for this video. Just been unto my local Aldi and purchased this item. Plus they have about 15 in stock at the moment. The ticket price said 19.99 so i thought sod it for £20 quid its saves my lungs. Got it to the till and a bonus £14.99.....straight back down the aisle to pick up some Tinnies to celebrate! £20 quid well spent.
Result! Sold out online last Friday within a few hours, well impressed they still have some in stores - and a bargain price too! 👍👍
I must live in area that doesn't like DIY. i bought a inverted welder the other month at my local store for £10. I can't weld but i will teach myself for that price!
Damn right - I would too! Wish I had an Aldi store near me! 😕👍
Thanks Peter, it will be interesting to see how the Aldi vac compares when the bag is half full .
Cheers Ian! And yes, I’ll be testing that in a future video - can’t be any worse than the Festool tbh 👍👍
This Aldi Vac was the best bargain that I ever missed, lets hope it returns to Aldi or Lidl soon. Thanks for an excellent video.
Sorry to hear you missed out! Felt like a clearance to me, so not sure Aldi will be re-stocking but will keep our eyes peeled. I think there are still a few on eBay, or there’s always full price at Amazon - link in the video description 👍👍 And thanks!!
I picked one up a while ago as it stacks well with my tool boxes replacing a much larger shop vac which was always a pain. Had a couple of minor issues the switch on the top gets pressed when you stack stuff on it and the glue came unstuck on the hose and needed glueing back up. I was never going to spend 300 quid on a Festool so am very happy with it in general.
Thanks David! Other than the minor niggles how’s it holding up? Be I interested to heat some more longer-term user info. 👍👍
Peter Millard I have used and abused it, even sucked up some small rubble chips and it’s taken everything I have thrown at it. I think it’s great value for money!
That’s great to hear, thank you! 👍👍
Great video again Peter. I was just looking on the market for a Festool Midi because they have great filtration. I think the problem with cheap vacs is filters eventually blow out dirty air into the room as they clog up with with fine dust. This is problem I have found so far. That's why I started looking at the Festool vacs but they are soooo expensive. Maybe a new filter could be made for the Aldi vac by butchering a dyson sponge filter or something.
Thanks! All the Festool entry-level vacs have the same filtration, class L; Scheppach don’t appear to state a value for the HD2P so I’d assume it doesn’t meet that standard. I don’t think it’s as simple as putting in a finer filter as the whole enclosure needs to be airtight, and a finer filter would almost certainly lead to reduced airflow, and possibly over-heating and potentially a fire-hazard. Like most vacs, I think the Scheppach relies heavily on the bag for filtration, which is why it’s disappointing that there are no disposable bags available. 👍👍
There is a hepa filter available (marketed by festool) for the festools and in terms of filtration it passes the higher class.
There are a few silly things that needs to be on a M-class vacuum for people who can't think but the filters and bags are the same.
That filter on the aldi looks proper crap. Same with the hose. Festool hoses rocks.
I just bought the Aldi Vac off the back of this little review. I currently have a large CamVac, but its really far better as a chip extractor and is not portable. Something smaller would be much better for sanding and drilling. Thanks for doing the review, I wouldn't have even known about the Aldi vac otherwise.
Thanks! Wish I was on commission, lol! I have two bags permanently in the shop and the CTL SYS for installs, but I’m sure I’ll find a use for the Aldi 👍👍
i bought the workzone dust collecter for 40 pounds (new) from aldi and it is great.. youse it for saw dust etc i have loads of workzone tools are the best out there...nice video please more workzone tools...thank u
Thanks! 👍👍
Wouldn't be surprised if they had the same motor and 'fan' inside.
Great to see the suction (vacuum) test. The other important parameter to a dust collector is air flow. Don't know how one would test that. But don't confuse them the way you did at 12:12.
Thanks! Hadn’t considered they might have the same motor - better get AVE into another tear down, lol! Trouble with testing airflow (anemometer works well) is that it’s dependent on the hose size, unless you’re measuring off the motor, but then how ‘real world’ is that? And 12.12? I was weighing the lumps of MDF that both vacs almost, but not quite picked up. Was that confusing? Or was it the Kilos 😆👍👍
Thanks for sharing I found this well balanced and fair on each product I would try to find a way to put a longer hose on the work zone piece and use on it on site where tools are more vunerable to damage and theft. I love feststool products but. find they are not suitable for job site work they are a bit fragile and best kept in the workshop.
Thanks, 👍
The reason why they have identical suction is because they both have the suction power maxed out with that hose diameter. Think of it this way, the vacuum does not really suck anything in. It just removes the air in front of the hose and then the atmospheric pressure pushes the dirt in. From this we can conclude that there is a maximum "suction" force for any vacuum cleaner. Also that this force would be less on top of a mountain for example. If you max out the air removal that is it. You have full atmospheric pressure. Where you would see a difference is if you were to increase the hose diameter. Then one vacuum would suck better then the other. Won`t work with a tool though since the maximum airflow through the tool would not change with hose diameter.
Good review overall but I think the suction test could do with a revisit (it was impressive though). The problem is all the test really showed was that the two tools could achieve the same final vacuum level. Dust extraction is about more than maximum vacuum though, if it wasn't then we'd all be using high vacuum pumps on our dust extraction setups. A good dust extractor for a tool needs to be able to achieve a good vacuum but also do it quickly, that way if your sander goes over the edge of the board you won't end up with a big cloud of dust while it re-establishes the vacuum. It's tough to test in a controlled way though, best I can think of would be to sand the edge of a piece of MDF and film it to estimate how much dust is escaping.
As you say, tough to show in a visually interesting way, though. Also I’m trying to avoid getting too much into the whole ‘science experiment’ thing as well - the methodology needs to be rigorous if it’s to be meaningful, and my little workshop is the exact opposite of a ‘clean room’ lol! The edge sanding test may have something going for it - like I did in the orbital sanders comparison, starts video #089 - but I suspect the results would be very similar to what we saw in this video. And tbh, there’s only so much testing this little vac warrants. 👍👍
Given the relative suction, this seems a very good candidate for a cyclone system (while in the ‘shop)
Yes, I’ve had a couple of people say they’re doing just that - takes the filtration question off the table completely 👍👍
Can you grab a caliper and tell us the OD of the Aldi hose and then the hard plastic hose end. I know you said it’s a 40mm hose, but I’m new to this and don’t know which part they are referring that measurement to. Thanks!
I’ll double check tomorrow, but pretty sure it was 40mm OD; the hard plastic end tapers, again just from memory I think 36mm to 32mm - but I’ll check when I’m back in the workshop tomorrow 👍
Really agree about cleaning up after ones self I always do it. I always say 'I made the mess I clean up'
Always an easy way to make a lasting impression 👍👍
A couple thoughts/comments...I am the proud owner of both the CTL-SYS and the CT36, so I may be slightly biased in favor of the Festool. The only thing lacking on the portable is adjustment of the vacuum. For cutting tools that is not a problem, but for sanding, it is best to decrease the vacuum to eliminate chatter. As far as the comparison goes, you only used the Festool sander. Not all sanders are created equal, and another brand like Porter Cable or Dewalt might not have the same pass-through of air. I'm just sayin'.
Hi Ira, and thanks for your thoughts. I’ve owned the CTL SYS since they were available here (a little over 3 years) and it’s been my on-site install vac for all that time without missing a beat. And in all that time I haven’t missed the variable speed at all - I did a couple of very early videos about that exact thing, and sourced a bleed valve to allow reduced suction - but that’s mostly because I rarely do the kind of fine-finish sanding onsite. The Festool sanders do have particularly efficient air throughout - that’s why I used my RTS400 for this test, so we could see the kind of ‘suckage’ you get at the tool, with abrasive attached. I agree, using another sander or brand would reduce the effect, but I’d expect it do so for both vacs, equally. You might also want to take a look at my follow-up video, where I discuss filtration and noise 👍👍
As of Fri 18:00 there’s only one left!
As always, nicely done Peter
I’d much rather be the guy who broke the bank at Monte Carlo, but I guess the guy who sold out Aldi will have to do 😂😂👍
All gone now 😠
The look of amazement on your face Peter says it all. This was a great comparison, I think I might just go for one 👍
Thanks! Out of stock at Aldi online since late Friday pm; if you have a local store they may have some stock, otherwise it’s the Scheppach from Screwfix (link in the description) or the Amazon link in the description (slightly cheaper) 👍
Enjoyed the video Peter, thankyou 👍👍👍. I don't think Aldi Oz sells that unit here, but you had some useful info and I will certainly be looking out for the video on how to have the vacuum start when the tool starts. It might be me, but I think your shop is looking less pale, you must have been vacuuming and wiping down surfaces, stock and fittings since your spray painting efforts maybe 😀
Thanks Bob! Yes, been doing a bit of cleaning up around the workshop, finally starting to see the difference! 😀👍
must admit I would use the aldi over the festool lets face it someone steel your festool you cry plus they are a thief magnet I have had so many tools stolen that I now leave festool on the shop shelf but one final point the filter in the festool are gold standard.
Agreed 👍🏼 A site carpenter mate picked up some sys units cheap. He kept his Makita kit in them along with screws, strip nails etc etc. 3 weeks of using them and the lot got lifted. The most he'd lost before was a few hammers.
I'd also, knowing electronics and manufacturing, seriously question if the Festy is £240 better... and if so, what that money pays for in regards to components. Even with the added boards, moulding complexity etc.. I can't make the maths work.
Incredible efficiency with the workzone machine. This is the norm from Festool. Thanks for the tutorial.
Great video. Just need to make a cyclone box to sit it on and a long hose to the cyclone and it would be great shop tool for small shops.
Don't forget 3 yr warranty.
Thanks, and yes Indeed - same warranty as Festool 😆👍👍
Nice to see these videos without a load of stupid music,& Peter does a great job! If anyone doesn't like these dust extractors,-then wear a mask too,or hold your breath!
Don't forgot though that a big advantage of extraction whilst sanding is, hold your breath, an improvement in sanding efficiency
and sanding pad life.
Absolutely brilliant video Peter. Very cool comparison, never even considered buying this type of shop vac before but I can see some good uses for it. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Tomasz! TBH for the money, if you can get hold of one they’re just handy to have 👍👍
Casual DIY 3
I use a big Bosch GAS M class vac when in the workshop/sanding but I also keep a cheapo £50 laying about to stop the good one being damaged when abusing clearing up water or rubbleZ
Yep, good plan 👍👍
Another fantastic review peter. £60/€70. Well worth the money. I spoke to a few building guy's recently; just conversational. & I noticed & they told me, they use Aldi/Lidl power tool's. I asked them why? & basically to sum up there thoughts...they have the Makita, festools, Dewalts etc but on site, they bring there cheap tools in case they get stolen. & if they break, there cheap to replace. But they all did say one thing: the quality for money is there! My little schappach band saw is still chooching along after 6 months. €110/£80. Well worth it mate.
Thanks! Glad to hear the little bandsaw's behaving! And these vacs are down to £30 right now at Aldi - link in the pinned comment above. 👍
Peter Millard. Cheers man. Had a look there. They only deliver to mainland UK. I've being using the mother's Henry the Ford escort hoover. But I'd like to get one. They had them over here a while ago. & I remember going...aaahhhh, probably a pile of shit. Wrong.
Actually peter, I'm looking at getting a corded table saw. I don't no about a cheap one. There's the Lidl one next week €130. It's the most dangerous machine in a workshop, so im thinking: safety first but also middle of the road. €450-€550. As a pro, wud you have any recommendations?
I’m probs the last person to ask about tablesaws tbh - I worked wood for a living for the best part of 15 years without one, and only ended up with the one I have because it was ‘on special’ one time. So yeah, not much help there I’m afraid 😕👍
Peter Millard ah not to worry mate. I'm just shopping around for advice & doing a lot of research. Guys have recommend the Dewalt DW745/744 & the Makita MLT100. They both have there pros & cons. Though the Dewalt is looking like the winner. Cheers man.
me aul jazzer. Have a look at the Metabo TS. I love mine. It is not the most dangerous tool in the workshop, that's why we have push sticks. For repetition of cuts, you can't beat them. Once you are comfortable with them, you will wonder how you got by without one. I use a Class M Metabo dust extractor with mine - cleans the TS up nicely. The most dangerous tool is any that produces dust or paint particles - I am suffering from chest problems because I didn't wear masks or had adequate dust extraction (now moving over to M Class). Dust extraction and masks is a must before turning on any tool. Hope that helps. PS the LIDL TS is ok and will do to get you started. Both LIDL and ALDI produce excellent tools that now populate my on-site kits, along with Metabo stuff.
The Festool will probably keep going for years ,if the Aldi one packs up no big deal
but your customers will probably be more impressed with your kit ,great vid Cheers
Yep, no argument there - the Festool vac in this vid is 3 years old and still going strong (obvs) but to be fair the Aldi has a 3-year warranty- and you don’t have to register to get it 😬. Oh, and I’ve never met a client who could tell a Festool from a Workzone, lol 😂👍👍
The drilling tool!!!!!!!!! I usually hold the end of the vac under the drill bit, a cheap floor tool of some sort with a hole in it will work like that drilling tool. That's a big why didn't I think of that moment for me. Now, back to the video.
Great review, no brainer which to buy with an autostart plug ;-)
Good video Pete, I couldn't cope without a power take off it's the whole point of having a decent vac on site. I use a Machine Mart Einhell wet/dry R2D2 type, which lifts the carpet provided the filter is clean. I also find it good for vacuuming outside when I've done a lot of cutting and inevitably the clients drive is dusty, you can never get it all with a brush. There's a blow facility on it too, which I sometimes use for the same thing blowing remaining fine dust into flower beds.
Cheers Graham. Festool make a drinking attachment, about £15 or so, works pretty well. Never thought of using the blower to blow dust into the flowerbeds, lol - genius! 👍👍
Could you recommend a good power take off thingy? I searched on Amazon but I don't know what its 'real' name is so had no luck.
Well, I don't want to give away the plot of the upcoming video, but if you email me - details in the 'about' section - I'd be happy to help. 👍
Works well when you're on a gravel drive and can't vac it.;-)
Haha - been there, ended up with a hoover full of gravel 😱👍😂
Looking forward to seeing how to make the auto start for vacuums that don't have this feature! I've been using a power strip that has a master switch. This is ok for lower voltage power tools. They are meant for computers and electronic equipment, like a computer and peripherals.
If you're in the US, Rockler offers a current sensing dual outlet for this application:
www.rockler.com/i-socket-110m-tool-and-vacuum-switch
Also, any of the many available current sensing outlet strips will do the job as long as you observe their current limitations.
The Rockler item looks good. I'm in the US. Unfortunately that Aldi vacuum isn't sold here. Good price on sale, though.
This Ridgid vac is about the closest thing to an Aldi we can get over here:
www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-4-5-gal-5-0-Peak-HP-Pro-Pack-Wet-Dry-Vac-WD4522/100638389
I'll take a look next time I'm in HD. Then on my list for Black Friday, holiday, depending. Thanks for the heads-up.
Great video didn't see these in Aldi... Looking forward to the auto socket been looking for this for ages
Thanks! Purely by chance Aldi had these in special at £29.99 the day this vid went live, so they sold out pretty fast - out of stock online within a few hrs on Friday. Scheppach version still available at the original price of around £75-80 - link in the vid description 👍👍
Old video I know but I watched this ages ago and thought what a bargain for £60. Well I picked one up today for £10 brandnew boxed , didn't need it but will definitely keep it as a spare or a dedicated car hoover.
Where did u get it for a tenner 😉£10
@@williamn01 good old gumtree, a lady had bought it to hoover her astroturf 🤦🏼♂️ but never opened it after being happy just brushing it 🤔
What a great Channel Peter - I am a tiler with a keen interest in cabinet making... super content and a super presenter - better than anything on our rubbish bbc... keep up the good work....
Thank you Victor! Now, about my share of the licence fee... 😂👍👍
Random woodbutcher here, got the Workzone vac and love it. Set it on one of the £10 wheeled plant movers that Lidle do, solves the short hose problem moving around a room, doing a ply underfloor. Love the stamp on on off switch and have a stamp on extension camel which I can plug this and whatever tool i need dust collection on.
Having said that I still have a Hoover Aquamaster bought over 20 years ago which I used to clean up lose gravel chippings from the grass yesterday, that had overspilled from the rusty sheet tin I laid to get them delivery tipped onto. Much to the amusement of the guys laying the base for my shed, next project, but it 'sucked like a miner smokin a rollie after a cave in' and not a stone was left in the grass.
Ha ha, brilliant! Yeah, this isn’t the only vac you’ll need, but it’s a great start 👍👍
Bought three for dedicated use on pillar drills and a spindle sander 👍🏼 Combined with 3 £15 autostart modules off of eBay... working like a dream 👍🏼
Robert Venus That’s great to hear Robert - thanks for letting me know! 👍👍
I have the Kity version. Same product, though.
I am using it stationary at my routing/sanding station in combination with a cyclone filter.
The only problem I have with the item is, that it literally stinks to heaven for weeks when you open the box.
Does it just stink generally, or dependant on what you were sanding??
No, it stank horribly after opening the "daisy fresh" :-D box and unwrapped the plastic. The plastic itself, not in use, yet. I had to let it vent outside for a week.
Interesting video, thanks - I would have liked to see how the Aldi vac worked after sucking up some dust - I've found that the Achilles' heel of cheap vacs is that sanding dust (especially from filler) blinds the bags and filters and the suction really drops off. Obviously your Festool has survived 3 years of this! I'd love to see a repeat of the filler sanding test that you did when comparing cheap vs Festool sanders as a way of comparing vacs. (I'll also be a bit pedantic and point out that static suction pressure - which is what you're comparing - is not the same as airflow. It's possible to get high suction as pretty low airflow,).
Thanks! Fair point about static suction pressure bs airflow - but how would I show (in a visually interesting way) airflow at the tool? And yes, the Festool bags typically are discarded way before they are filled when sanding filler - which is why it’s a shame that there’s no disposable bag for the Aldi. In this video the Festool had a new bag and (very) recent filter and the Aldi was brand new; I’ll be doing more tests when I’ve put a few miles under the Aldi 👍👍
"how would I show (in a visually interesting way) airflow at the tool?" - No idea!
Looking forward to the updates 👍
Took my schapak extractor back after only 15mins ot use. Got Incredibly hot and spat out as much dust as it sucked up. I've now got the festool on order
Sounds like a plan! 👍
Workzone tools just get better and better. The only thing I would say is that they are really aimed at the hobby/diyer.
I bought a belt sander from them about five years ago and it was great using it occasionally. Never missed a beat. Then about 3 months ago I was using it for a bigger job that required it to be in constant use hours at a time for a week. The bearings just melted with that kind of usage. Apart from that workzone tools are great.
Yep, I’d put Scheppach in the ‘light trade’ category - not intended for long term daily use, but occasional or periodic usage is fine 👍👍
As an alternative for someone doing diy the evolution vacuume could be a good idea as that has power take off and it is about the same size as the festoon and the Aldi.
I guess there will be a follow-up video in a while. There are a few things that I feel was a bit neglected, which others mentioned in the comments also.
- Antistatic hose which nowadays also is smooth, on the festool.
- Higher air flow (by specs) at lower power usage. Power usage is usually not that interesting but it might reflect a better construction which might lead to higher...
- ... suction when the bag is (near) full?
- And of course filtering which is really good on festool vacs. I have a midi and the air is really clean that comes out of it compared to all vacs I have been around, including household versions. This is probably a good point for those that are using them in others home. It doesn't smell of dust afterwards.
Some things for thought for the follow-up video :)
Good video as always :)
Thanks! I’ve done a few videos on the CTL SYS so I felt a lot of that ground had been covered already tbh. But yes, more to come 😆👍
Did you test the aldi vac with the thick piece of mdf and two pieces of 18mm, like you did with the festool? On the vid it seems that you had a different order in taping the pieces together: festool: 32mm, then 18, then 18, then 9mm. Aldi: 32mm - 9 - 18 - 18. To me it seemed that the aldi had some trouble moving around all 4 pieces, so i wonder if it can lift 32+18+18?
Did you cover comparative noise? (another relevant point for customer satisfaction).
Accepting that the Scheppach bag is reusable, it would still be good to know how full the bag gets before it needs to be emptied.
Thanks for an excellent review.
I cover the noise in tomorrow’s follow-on vid; spoiler - it’s 65 vs 70 Db
I bought this around 2 months ago, yes it's a powerful cheap hover I also had the Sander at the same time the one with the pole.
The flex isn't no where near long enough, the flexi pipe is useless, and it doesn't fit the Sander that was on sale at the same time, so I binned the flexi and used the one that came with the Sander it's very good quality and longer, I also made some a adapters to fit the Sander and now it works pretty good, I can reach the ceilings now with the longer flex and it also fit's in the lid..
Thanks! Only just learning about this pole sander, sounds like good value 👍
Peter Millard It's not bad at all, after getting the pipe to fit it extracts quite well, as long as you line up the holes with the Velcro pad.
It does collect a bit of debris around the lip, but as long as clean it off it's pretty good. The weights ok to, I have nothing to compare it to, and it's I think 225mm disc...
fatyowls Thanks for the info! 👍👍
I've used lots of extraction units especially premium branded like Makita and bosh Dewalt but when I spent serious money on nilfisk M class 110v power top push and clean the difference was huge Nilfisk was even better than my Festool at 400 notes.It was 380 quid well spent and id never go back to anything else again my nilfisk is just perfection day in day out on-site work and new build
I got myself a workzone 18v STS drill and for £30 it’s very impressive it drilled 20 holes at 8mm in a concrete fence post with one full battery
Nice - never tried their drills 🤔🎬👍
Peter Millard on the plus side is it’s very small so brilliant for the little jobs just would be nice to get another battery
That’s always been my concern with own-brand tools, getting spare batteries. 👍
www.aldi.co.uk/workzone-18v-li-ion-hammer-drill/p/082848200644500
Warren Lynch , just out of interest what make/model of drill bit did you use if you don't mind me asking?
Just watched your video. I realized this is two years old. The big distinction for me between the two vacs is the CTS SYS has a HEPA rated secondary filter. I would be concerned when vacuuming fine dust (like from sanding) with the Aldi that it would just send it through the bag and back out the exhaust vent into a cloud around you.
Whilst I appreciate your point, it’s important to understand that HEPA is a US standard that has no relevance elsewhere. Here in the UK the CTL SYS doesn’t come with HEPA filters, nor are they available - see above. And as the Aldi/Schepoach is 240v only, Aldi vs Festool is probably not a decision you’ll ever need to make. You might also like to take a look at video 216 - Bad Idea, or good? P1 here -
ua-cam.com/video/rGTU5AL08Q4/v-deo.html. 👍
When you open the lid of the Festool i'm noticing that very fine dust has leaked in time from the seal of the bag opening. I know the filters will take care of this, but it shouldn't happen, it will shorten the filters' lifespawn/efficiency.
A bag compartment should be 100% clean imo.
Non-issue for me - life is imperfect, after all. It’s the original filter, so a fair few years old, and stays far, far cleaner than any of my other vacs. 👍👍
Mine CTL SYS burned out just 1 month outside the warranty, used lightly too! Not sure if I should replace the motor or get a cheaper one. Cost of the motor for festoon is more than Aldi vac.
It's a tough one isn't it? Overall I'd take a repaired Festool over a new Aldi, I think, just for the convenience of being able to keep it in a stack of systainers on a roll-board - but if that's not what you do, then there are certainly cheaper options. 👍
Finally got an Aldi model from Ebay at £39.95. Wow. It is certainly a good little tool for me with DIY, although I still use a mask in my garage. I've tried a cyclone with my shop vac and it was great but so bulky and unsteady unless I was prepared to build a trolley for them both. The little Aldi chap will solve a lot of dust problems for me, so thank Peter for stimulating the chase for me.
Would I spend the full price £80.00 for a Scheppach? Probably, but I can get some decent hardwood to work on for the £40 I've saved.
Glad to hear it worked out for you! Don’t forget the bag hack - captures more dust than the cloth one that comes with it 👍👍
I'm not sure if I bought a dud or not but my workzone was terrible. It blew dust everywhere. I returned mine the same day.
Thanks for letting me know. Recent purchase??
Peter Millard I bought it about two months ago. I think I got it for £20 on special. It wasn't even worth that.
Peter Millard I should add I was sanding easyfill so it would seem the filtration system couldn't handle it. Obviously the micron dust was too small.
Argyll1000 Ah, OK; yeah, only a 3 micron filter in the Aldi, plaster/drywall dust would be too fine fo it, but sawdust/drilling dust would be OK 👍👍
The only thing I don’t like about the festool boxes is you can’t lock them German products are always expensive I love the vacuum because you can clip the boxes on to it and festool has a hepafilter hoses fit their tools
It continues to surprise me that aldi (and lidl)s offerings are so different in different countries. Here in Belgium aldi tools are usually labeled “top craft” and there aren’t often any on offer. Lidl’s parkside brand on the other hand can be bought online all year round (on the Belgian lidl site)
That’s fascinating - I had no idea. Thanks! 👍👍
Peter Millard fyi www.lidl-shop.be/nl-BE/Elektrisch-gereedschap/h147642 unfortunately only available in Dutch and French, but the pictures don’t need translation;)
Whilst you are buying tools at Aldi here's a tip to get you brownie points with your missus. If they have it in stock. Pay a fiver for a bottle of their No1 , No3 or No4 fragrance. I guarantee she won't be able to tell the difference between that and the equivalent from Jo Malone at £80 and you might get less earache for buying tools again. They did the same a couple of years ago with a famous fragrance and within days they were sold out once word got out.
Haha, good tip, thanks! I don't get earache for tool buying fortunately - it's business, after all, but always worth having a backup plan 👍😂
Peter Millard you might not but I'd bet there are plenty of DIYers watching who do 😉. And yes plan B, for a fiver why not.
Damn right 👍😂
As usual I found your video engaging to watch and well presented. Slightly disappointed that you didn't compare the vacs in some kind of realistic test. Not sure about you, but I don't normally use a vac for lifting up wood. Lol. Maybe you could have done some tests on the amount of dust left with your Mitre saw. Or maybe you could use your air quality meter after sanding with each vac
Thanks! No, I don’t typically lift blocks of wood with my sander, but as I say in the video, it was a way of demonstrating the amount of air each vac was moving through the tool, rather than the theoretical throughout at the motor that the manufacturers tend to quote. It’s about as ‘real world’ as you can get without turning the video into an ‘open university’-style science experiment. Yes, the difference in filtration will also have an affect, but again, how do I show that in a video and keep the ‘science’ rigorous enough for it to be meaningful? My air quality monitor works well, but it’s not a ‘scientific’ instrument. How far can I realistically go - will I need a clean room?
I’m sorry you were disappointed, but with a video like this - a simple comparison between two vacuums - I do what I can 👍👍
Peter Millard Hi Peter. Please don't be offended. I enjoyed the video and appreciated the demonstration that you did. However it is not suction (static pressure) that captures dust. It is the amount of air being moved (airflow). Your experiment didn't measure airflow. It measured static pressure.
Hi Peter. I’m wondering whether you could compare the quality of the output air cleanliness using the particle meter that you’ve shown in other videos. Something tells me that the Festool probably would win that test.
Almost certainly - the Festool is a Class L vac (>1 micron filtration) the Aldi unclassified but Scheppach say >3 microns filtration. But in all honesty, I don’t know how I could realistically show that without some kind of clean room, and I’m not sure my little air quality monitor is up to the job on something that specific. But yes, it’s something I plan to try 👍👍
Just ordered one, It would be rude not to :) Thanks Peter
Quite right too - we were always taught not to be rude 😆👍👍
It’s al about the length and with of the hose... try it again with the same hose and you will see the difference...
I don’t disagree, but these comparisons are all about seeing how they compare ‘out of the box’ ie as supplied by the manufacturer, and as most purchasers will use them. 👍👍
Peter Millard I see your point, at the end it matters how it performs when in use. The cheaper version cuts corners with lenght, diameter of hose and les restricting airflow filter, but if it is within the limits ones has, its dirt cheap..😉
I think you laid out the choice to make at the start of the video when you gave the advantages of the sustainer system. Festool is expensive, but a lot of the money is in the quality of the tool and the system built around each one.
This allows you to deal with many situations that just having another brand tool won't.
That Festool vac has 2 different sets of nozzles, 3 different bags types and other accessories including the CT wings available. Which along with Sustainer compatibility will allow you to cope with more situations that you find yourself in. Same reasons as the saws and other tools.
Other tool brands and tools do the job perfectly well but the system approach allows you to work in more situations and profit due to efficiency.
Tools are offset against your tax bill anyway which could be to your advantage.
Cheap and DIY tools are really good quality compared to 20-30 years ago as manufacturing has improved, so the economics might work for some people. It's all about your approach to your work and organization.
Yes David - no arguments from me there. But if you’re just starting out then your tool budget has to stretch, and a small cheap vac like this is certainly better than none at all. And then when you move up to he Festool, you appreciate it 👍
Peter you have a fine dust monitoring tool, how did the two filters compare?
Thanks Roger. Let’s just say that there’s more to come on this story 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop AH!
You have a good sense of humor! 'They both suck', me thinking both are very bad, lol I just bought the festool and was wondering why you were not happy with it!
Great vid! Surprising results but have to say the hose n fittings would be a huge turn off. 👍
Thanks! Well, you get what you pay for of course, but the hose and fittings are the easily replaceable parts 👍👍
hmm does a festool hose fit it? :OO only other down side is filtration wont be as good! gotta mind those lungs! ;)
Haven’t had a chance to play with the Festool hoses yet - the D27 definitely not, but the D36 might. And no, the filtration certainly won’t be in the same L-class as the Festool, so you’d need to be careful what you use it with. Sawdust would be fine, I’m sure as it’s relatively coarse, but probably not say, MDF. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Long comment, sorry!
Apart from PTO and hose / fittings quality, I'm sure it's the filtration quality that accounts for the biggest difference in price. A bit surprised you didn't mention that issue in the vid.
Re: suckage -- I had to convert m^3/sec to litres/hour from the relevent Screwfix listings to make them comparable - for flow rate, turns out the Scheppach does 33 l/sec compared to the Festool's 50. Clearly that doesn't make much difference to suck-power. Ingenious test!
I'm super-paranoid about dust - I use a cheap-and-cheerful £50 Titan to collect most of the bigger stuff, AND a 3M HF A2 P3 half-face respirator mask; expensive but worth it for peace of mind. Mostly cos I remember Grandad's garage ankle-deep with drifts of woodturning shavings and mountains of dust on every horizontal surface - I'm certain he never wore a mask in his life - once a year he swept it out with a yard broom just to keep it tidy. I'm sure that he regretted that greatly in the last 10-15 years of his life. It takes a long time to catch up with you, but it's pretty nasty if it does.
That said, I smoke, so I'm doomed anyway :)
Where do you get the various adaptors from. I have the festool sander and the aldi unit but can't marry the hoses. I bought the aldi unit with the wall sander. Yet to use it but at the price with the 3 year guarantee I thought it was worth it....
Thanks! I've had those little adapters forever and I can't for the life of me remember where they came from! I've had a good search over the weekend and I haven't been able to turn anything up that's similar - plenty of stepped plastic adapters, but nothing like the rubber ones I have; makes you appreciate the rubber-ends to the Festool hoses, tbh - maybe there's a way to adapt a Festool end to fit??
You were enjoying that way too much Peter .....😆 absolutely top review. I'm very tempted. Thanks
Just ordered one @ 29.95 delivered free. Unbelievable. Thanks so much for the nod 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
You’re right - I did enjoy that 😆👍
Excellent - I paid the full £60 for mine and have no regrets 👍👍
Very nice video comparison Peter, that's a few of your comparison videos that i have seen and enjoyed, as they are all well explained so thanks for doing them. New Sub now.
Barry (Wirral, ENG)
Thanks Barry, and welcome. 👍👍
I have the Scheppach version, was great when I got it, but very disappointing in use. The filters didn't seem to protect the motor well enough, so after about 3 months use the power was greatly reduced, motor heated up severly when running for any length of time and it started thowing out more dust from the outlet than it collected in the bag!! Also putting that hose away again became a pain in the a***! I can't recommend buying this as a long term tool I'm afraid..
I used it with a cheap master and slave double plug so I had the power take off, I can recommend them!
Sorry to hear that - 3 year warranty on the Aldi version, is the Scheppach not the same??
Can't remember the exact warranty details, I did investigate it at the time but it still 'works', just nothing like it did on day one...
I had a Scheppach getting on for 5 years ago(?) which lasted all of 3-4 months of light use (I didn't have a mitre saw, track saw or router(s) back then). I've now had the CT-SYS for a couple of years and throw way more at it. It connects to all my tools without adaptors that fall off, auto start and the longer (non snagging) hose is a joy. Assuming the Scheppach lasts 4 months (even with heavier use) I'd have gone through 6 of them. So yeah, I'd say it was worth it.
I had one of those aldi ones, had it attached to my orbital sander and after a few minutes could smell something funny, the dust collector had caught fire!
Hope it didn't cause much damage! What did Aldi say?
Hi Peter, great video. I have been very impressed with my Aldi vacuum cleaner its great for the money. As a DIYer it is so much better than none was. One question where did you get the rubber adapter you used with it and the sander?
Thanks Stuart! And exactly my thinking - it’s a great small, starter vac that will still be useful if you move into something else later. I’ve had those hose adapters for so long I can’t for the life of me remember where I got them from - it’s one of my jobs for this weekend to try and track something similar down as I’ve had a few Qs about them 👍👍
Hi Peter, they are shockingly good for the money, now I know the rubber adaptors exist I can keep an eye for them. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks Stuart! They’re good value vacs at £80, great value at £60, and amazing at anything less than that 👍👍
Interesting video and amazed how good the Aldi is. With relation to the test showing the level of suction both machines have, it reminds me of the demo they do on shopping channels when they pick up a bowling ball and that’s suppose to show you how wonderful the vacuum they are trying to flog is. Not totally sure of the physics but it you create a partial vacuum then it’s going to hold on the item you are trying to lift and it’s not really dependant on the power or efficiency of the machine. Just an observation and am ready to proved wrong.
Thanks! Ha! I see where you’re coming from re the shopping channel demo and I don’t disagree that what I did was an imperfect test, but I deliberately picked up the lump(s) of MDF & moved them around to try and ‘break the seal’ . Plus, this level of suction came through a tool, with abrasive attached - it’s not the kind of perfect seal that you’d get with, say the end of a hose and a bowling ball. But yes - I think there are a few more tests to be done on the little Aldi 👍👍
Peter Millard could prove or disprove my theory if you could somehow reduce the the power output of the vacuums and see if their lifting power is diminished.
Just ordered mine. Thank you Peter😁
Cheers Mick! 👍👍 Should have been one commission 😂👍
Thanks Peter, I grabbed on at £30 as it’s a handy size and even if no good for fine dust it will be handy to hoover the car.
Be interesting to know about filters. I assume they are both two stage filtration. 1. The bag and 2. The filter
I guess Festool much better due to its large surface area paper filter opposed to the small workzone foam one.
I think it is important to understand the filtration as I would not want to use it for MDF if it does not filter MDF dust.
Of course I wear a mask but customers don’t
Have you any details on the filtration ?
I’m just off to google👍🏻😁
Thanks for another great video
Just had a google and workzone I believe is 3 micron.
Hi Jase, and thanks! Yes, I didn’t have the info on the Scheppach when I did the vid, but it’s 3 microns for the Scheppach bag and 1micron for the Festool. So fine for general sawdust, probs not so good for MDF without a mask, as you say. But about 1000 times better than nothing at all, of course... Plus it would make a great base for a DIY cyclone project 👍👍
I always empty my festool bags with workshop extractor. Only takes a few mins save a fortune
Peter, may I ask what the exhaust air quality is like on the work zone vac. I recently bought a $50 upright Aldi special buy and it stunk.
Not the best filtration, but it didn’t stink!
I bought a titan wet and dry vacuum from screwfix for around £60. Have you looked into that one Peter? It is excellent blows as well as sucks. These two machines seem to have a small capacity. Do schepach make all work zone tools? Iv jus bought the work zone angle grinder for £19.99 a great bargain.
Thanks Scott. The point of these is that they’re small, with everything packing away into themselves, so perfect jobsite vacs for a few cuts, little bits of sanding and general cleanup,. Guys I know have the Titan and it’s a decent vac, but it’s a regular wet n dry ‘C3PO’ type of machine, so not really comparable to these 👍 All the Workzone tools I’ve used (ie both of them 😂) have been rebadged Scheppach; couldn’t say about the others I’m afraid 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter.
Hi, I always enjoy watching your videos and was wondering if you would consider doing a Festool vs Cheaptool of the Kapex vs something like a Evolution mitre saw? Thanks Sam
Thanks! The idea of the Festool v Cheap tool was to get comparable products that are 1/3 to 1/4 of the price of the Festool and see how they compare. Not sure Evolution do a saw that’s really comparable to the Kapex, but I’ll take a look at their range, se what they have, OK?? 👍
+1 for that as I have a Evolution compound mitre saw & really like it, seems like excellent value for money (£160, bought direct) but I'm always keen to see what I missed out on. Plus, I bet Festool tech support isn't a geezer with a Yorkshire accent who, would tell you the only fix for your idiotic assembly mistake would be to void the warranty by drilling through the cast aluminium travelling head to access a spring-loaded catch.
@@imipak23 I moved from an evolution mitre saw to a kapex 120 recently, definately a difference in noise and dust collection and refinement on the adjustment on the kapex. I like the evolution saw and if I'd changed from the standard multi blade to a higher tooth count would have given similar clean cuts. I prefer the mechanism on the kapex similar to the Bosch glide that it can be up against a wall rather than bars out the back.
Incredible value for money for anyone in the market for this kind of thing.
It really is. Caveat emptor and all that, but for £30 and a 3-year warranty the downside is mitigated 🤔👍😂
Having finished off my long suffering Henry hoover through ignorance I'm looking for a purpose made extractor. I assume that the Aldi machine has provision to keep the motor cool as the bag fills....thus the term extractor. The Festool machine presumably has a power take-off for the tool being used and controlled switching of the extractor. Does running the extractor on after switching off the tool extend the life of the extractors' motor?
Why do all these deals seem to come out just after I’ve completely blown through this months budget! First the band saw now the vac 😂 oh well they always come around again, on to the list they go. Good to know it’s actually worth the money, always wondered when I saw it before.
Thanks Christopher! If it’s any consolation, they were sold out within a few hours👍👍
Hi do you have a link for the rubber adaptor please. Good video keep them coming
Hi! No, sorry - I’ve had those adapters forever and can’t for the life of me remember where I picked them up. It’s looking like the Festool rubber hose end is the closest thing that’s regularly available right now. 👍
Peter Millard ok worries thanks for responding
Good comparison review there, mate. 👍
Really didn't expect them to have the same suction power.
Granted one is new and the other a work horse.
Thanks Bill. Yes, no idea how long it would last in everyday use, but it’s currently just £30, and has a 3 year warranty. 👍👍🤔
Peter Millard, even better with a 3 year warranty, most other cheaper brands only offer 1.
Can't complain about that deal at all. 👌
Currently sold out online...😡
Based purely on your review, Peter, I picked one up on eBay delivered for £32.99. I couldn't wait for Aldi to restock!
Thanks Chris! That’s a good price - would you mind sharing a link if the eBay seller has any more as I know a few people were caught out by how quickly they sold at Aldi. 👍👍
No probs Peter, here's the link. It appears I got the last one - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Workzone-1250w-NEW-Electric-Blower-and-Vacuum-Inflator-Dust-Extractor-5L-240V/253793518862?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Found the vac elsewhere on eBay for £38.98 delivered or best offer - www.ebay.co.uk/p/Workzone-1250w-Electric-Blower-and-Vacuum-Extraction-Unit/20021969705?iid=183352174571&_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D51875%26meid%3D6879b1e29fc142aab221d00be91a1687%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D253793518862%26itm%3D183352174571&_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985
Thanks Chris - that’s very generous of you to dig out another seller. 👍👍
Hi Peter,
the facts you figured out wee really amazing, but one question regarding the filtersystem is not answered but for me interresting. How long last the various filtersystems before they are stucked up? - and a second one, down to which size are particles hold back.
Greetings from Austria
Thanks Christian. Yes, the filtration is different between them - the Festool is a ‘proper’ Class L vac, so 1 micron or larger particles are caught, the Scheppach doesn’t have a classification. I didn’t have the information at the time I made the video but Scheppach say their filtration is 3 microns or larger, so clearly not as good. I haven’t used the Scheppach enough to test longevity, but I regularly throw the Festool bags away long before they get full as they lose suction after about the half-way mark. Hope that helps! 👍👍
I paid £30 for mine on an open box markdown... It's a good little vac! There are the limitations, as you point out, but for the cash, you can't argue. I find the dust collection is very good on a track saw, but utterly hopeless on a mitre saw but I suppose that says more about the design of the tool rather than the vac. Very much looking forward to your video on adding a power take off, speaking as someone with very limited sockets in the garage (workshop). Thanks for posting!
Thanks Phil! Just done a short IGTV using it with the Kapex - worked about as well as the Midi Inisually have dedicated to it👍👍
Would be interested in a (admittedly non-scientific) comparison of what the air quality in your workshop is like after a set amount of time sanding with each extractor attached. Not perfect, but would be an interesting comparison, especially as you have the readings from when you were spraying to be able to help give the air quality readings some sense. Part two perhaps?
Thanks Giles. I wanted to stay away from anything that was starting to look too much like ‘science’ tbh as it’d be a can of worms re the methodology; the ‘10-minute workshop’ isn’t a clean room and I’m the last person to be doing actual science! Plus I know from the specs that the Festool is a Class L vac (>1micron filtration) where the Aldi is unclassified, though Scheppach say it has >3 micron filtration. So no prizes for guessing which one would have the cleaner exhaust air. Good point about having a baseline WRT the spraying though - there might be something in it, as long as I can make it visually interesting, of course 👍👍
I have the Aldi vac and for the money it is outstanding value!, it keeps my workshop tidy "cough" 😁😉
Excellent! Can't really fault it for the money - and yes, I have a workshop like that, lol! 😂
A noise comparison would have been nice as well, especially since i can't find any noise rating on the Work Zone/Scheppach extractor.
Follow-on video here - ua-cam.com/video/mIx18BR_OD0/v-deo.html 👍