You missed a crucial part when Gabriel was talking to David. "You were so close David. You had it all figured out. The Stage was set for you." but there's 1 crucial line after that clarifies what you think is entirely wrong. "Yet you still managed to follow the Shepard." David was someone important that would've figured out crucial details with Thatcher that would solve everything. Yet, he fell to O'Brien, he fell to the shepard, and now he can no longer fulfill that purpose.
"With contorted flesh and broken bones I made myself known" might be referring to the fact that one of the first public contacts with Intruder was when Ruth and Davis set up the camera in Murray household and as a result they got photos of unseen force tampering with Jude Murray's body that was disfigured (and censored for us). He literally made his existance be known by puppeteering a broken corpse around.
For clarity and stuff: 1. yep, jonah's dead. Alex confirmed he was killed offscreen (not sure by what tho) 2. In a deleted tweet, Spidey (Evelin's actress) showed a screenshot of Eve being accepted for a desk job with the police department so that's likely why she's walking around asking for Thatcher. (Dave mentioned he had a good friend from the police department in the first part) 3. The whole event of Vol. 333 (when Ruth died and Thatcher got his alternate) was 1992. that would place Dave and Thatcher's phone call in 2009. 4. According to Alex, Dave's brain just kinda exploded anyone else feel free to add on
"through contorted flesh and broken bones i made myself known" cue the man in the TV So we know there was a body that was tempered with in the Murray household, does that mean that the intruder also killed the father, Jude, took his body and thats the person on the TV? Or maybe he made himself into a man from Lynn's body. Both of which are equally horrifying might i add
53:18 The whisper voice that we've come to associate with the fake Gabriel is actually still present, but you gotta listen for it very closely as the new voice is layered along with it.
If the intruder is supposed to be a representation or similiar in role to God then Jonah running away from him and getting punished (albeit in slightly different ways) is an interesting parallel to the biblical story of Jonah
Intruder is not god he is Satan he says to Adam do you remember my face and it shows the show Adams was watching when he was a kid and make imaginary friend aka a alternate probably Satan takes real Adam and replaces him with a alternate Adam that doesn't realize he's a alternate version of Adam like sleeper agents that's why when the intruder say when you look in the mirror you see the same monsters in your bedroom still confused go to wendigang channel and go to live and scroll down to find wendigoon actually be good at theorizing unlike matpat.
I agree with the concept of technology being presented as god. I think Stanly might be from the first face studio and then the impostor is Stanly in face studio 2 and his ai is evolving enough to use technology to leave the digital world and come into the real world.
@@Noob10346GD I mean...what is he doing with Evelin? He's trying to entice her to consume the apple (aka join the Alternates, since we know Gabriel became the Tree of Knowledge.)
41:25 "A thriving society of followers of the true saviour- as the tangled limbs danced around my bedroom, I held my breath and waited for it to stop. I was too scared to leave my bedroom-room-room-room."
seeing them animated makes it less creepy in my opinion. The unsettling feeling of the still image, like it could move anytime and you wouldn't notice it it's what makes it horrorfying. But it still pretty well made, the animations are sick
17 years ago Ruth and thatcher went to Adams house, Adam created an alternate and it killed his mother and father and then killed Ruth, that same alternate followed Thatcher to the police station and seemingly copied his appearance.
Not only did it copy Thatcher's appearance at the station, but just after Thatcher escaped and abandoned Ruth it copied his voice, got into the phone lines, and called off the backup Thatcher called that would've saved her.
@@MythicRanger2401 No thatcher was calling for back up to the mandela police station because every single cop was just gone and he was racing back to HQ fleeing from the Murray house.
@@tgreaux5027 The alternate already copied his voice when they arrived at Adam’s house to investigate. There’s also a possibility that jude on the phone line with davis was probably an alternate instead back in vol.333 which means he copied his voice before the visit to the murray home.
@@tgreaux5027 It's not entirely clear who was operating the radios. It could have been the real Thatcher or the alternate trying to lure police to the station as well. It copied his voice at the investigation at the Murray house
The way I view this, the alternates look for whatever way is easiest to reach the largest amount of people most effectively. First they used religion, then they used television, and now with Face Studio they’re moving onto computer programs. My guess is the next step is video games or VR. Just my guess
Yeah that's a pretty good analysis. I also thought like with the face studio that that the alternates were now utilizing this relatively new technology (seeing as we've seemed to have progressed in time) to 'convert' more people. They were using widespread software as a mass-consumption medium that's sure to grab a whole boatload more people, so that analysis that if they were using this modern pc software around the 2000's and that before they used television and religion as those mass-consumption or mass mediums of communication to transmit their bad vibes is pretty cool.
53:35 when Matpat says that the VA for Gabriel is a departure from his origins. Would like to add that A: you can hear the original TTS voice underneath his current voice (use headphones and listen very carefully); B: he’s still got the voice of O’Brian so he hasn’t fully gone into full Gabriel mode yet.
I started laughing when mat was was like "so it's interesting that-" *guy crying* "That they're switching from-" *more crying and swearing* "That they're-" 😂
I think that the "17 years ago" was probably about his 1st encounter with the intruder. Remember that was the time the child was taken, that was technically his 1st encounter
the fact that Adam was an alternate the whole entire time was the best damn twist ever, it really just makes certain parts insanely cool. Like how Adam didnt react to the toddler assessment test, how he's so uncaring to Jonah, his attraction to all things alternate, the fact that the alternates didn't kill him but just asked "you don't remember me"? IT'S ALL SO GOOD
Thought: Davis is a British name derived from the name David. If we have Adam, Eve(lyn), Mark, Sarah, Ruth and Jonah (all biblical names) is it too farfetched that Thatcher Davis is David? David, a man thrown into a den of hungry lions but was saved by God passifying the lions? In this case, Davis is thrown into a world of Alternates and not only trying to survive but wanting to stop the Alternates from hurting others.
I think that bit of talking during the video Adam sent Sarah wasn't Jonah, but instead Adam himself sending out a cry for help. You hear him talking about how the computer is messing with his words. This seems to be confirmed later when he listens to the intruder, who ends their conversation with "Your skin is not your own. You're not the real you." Only to be interrupted by a distraught Sarah, asking who Adam was talking to and begging him to call her back so she can have answers. Also forgive me if this ends up being what was said in the video I'm writing this about 12 minutes before it ends because I couldn't restrain myself any longer lmao!
Adam was replaced when he was a baby that's why the intruder aka Satan says don't you remember me and Satan says I cradle him in my arms and that's why satan says when you look in the mirror you see the same monster you see in your bedroom aka what Adam real alternate form is and alternate Adam didn't know he was a alternate that's why the voices says wake up Adam don't make me wake the other's meaning wake up and realize your alternate and that's why Adam is never scared like jonah
I think that Adam is a special kind of Alternate where a Alternate and a human mind can coexist in the same body. I theorize that Face Studio 2 is a new way of assimilating Alternates into human bodies, where the uploading of your face is counted as a invitation, since they can access your personal data and all that through the program. This is supported through the scene where Adam goes “PLEASE JUST GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY HEAD”, since it’s implied that a Alternate is taking the things that Adam intends on doing and sort of pops in and changes that, thus creating the effect of Adam’s words being manipulated in the online messages with Sarah. Much like the Biblical Adam being the one to introduce sin in this universe, the Mandela Adam is the one to introduce a new race of Alternates. Alternates can now coexist with people in their minds, and they can take over whenever they want. “A thriving society of followers of the one true savior.”
I think what may have happened is Thatcher brought that Face Studio 2 into the police station. It found a way to access all the mugshots taken (all usually three photos from the front and each side) and from there ran rampant. It would explain why it's only a local phenomenon, and why the police department and the police in general play a big role in this story
Conversely, having “their prayers” may be a more straightforward way to imply that Adam, being the “prophet”, has provided enough chaos and evil for the false biblical members to take receive the hopeless prayers of sufferers.
36:00 - I just believe this is the alternates trying to get peoples information, and asking them for 3 photo's gives them enough to try and manipulate their forms to match whoever it is
Has anyone else reasoned that Stanley probably made his body out of Adam’s moms body? And thats why when the body was being tapered with my invisible force it was covered?
@@Lyra-Carl so Stanley (intruder) says “with contorted flesh and broken bones, i made myself known” and we know adams mom at some point in this time frame Adams mom passes and her corps is tampered with by an invisible force as seen in a prior entry *dont remember which episode :’)* That being said if you think about it, i feel like its kinda implied the tampering of the corpse is stanly taking her body to use to cone to life
I think something very interesting is that the alternate that appears during the Intruder’s monologue looks suspiciously like Adam, specifically the forward facing picture that appears at the end. Accompanied by the line “when you look in the mirror and see the same monsters in your room” (not an exact quote but you get the idea). I’m not sure what it could suggest, but I find it to be an odd detail.
I believe that is Adam's true form as an alternate, it's shown as an "overdriven assimilation" which I believe means that it went beyond assimilating its prey and forgot it was an alternate to begin with.
@@frostcrm wait if that's true, does that mean the real human Adam is on earth?? Because truly how could Alternate Adam talk to Alternate Adam this way? One on one if he's not looking at a mirror? It could be that they threw the real Adam back to this world at some point while his alternate was already here. So Real Adam has been indoctrinated while the Alternate Adam is doing stuff on his own. I mean it could be but I don't see why that could be useful to the bad guys so eh idk, im speculating really lol.
@@nyom6378 In this video the intruder tells this Adam that "I held him in my arms, my sweet boy. And I took him away" I'm not sure what he does with the children he takes. The theories that I am currently agreeing with think this story is very based in religion with the alternates being demons and "Gabriel" in this world tricking humans into worshipping him instead of true gods. You see in Mark's journal "Who have I been praying to"
@@nyom6378 I think the real Adam I’d long gone or converted to the over done assimilated, and the Adam we know and see is just a alternate that forgot he’s an alternate when is around this activity it switches a switch in him bringing up those old tendencies. Meaning Adam had been an alternate his whole life with out knowing it and only recently is becoming self aware
This witty banter brought back my childhood. My grandma always had the classic Christmas songs on so I grew up listening to Burl Ives, Bing Crosby, Elvis, etc. Thanks for the nostalgia Matt Pat.
to me, the "we have their prayers" means that in this world, God isnt in control. Like with Mark, in vol 3 when he says "who have i been praying to all this time?" The God that these people are praying to isnt in control anymore and cant help people. Satan and Gabriel and The alternates literally have their prayers.
My first thought with the Face 2.0 thingy is that it asks for all of your personal information and a picture of different perspectives of your face. In a way, it's stealing your personhood under the guide of a fun little tool. A more advanced way to steal away people. Edit: THAT'S THE CHURCH FROM WAY BEFORE
Tbh i’m kind of disappointed, he hasn’t got what lots of us did on the day and now he’s confused because of the gaps, which is where he gets more critical and doubles down
@@tobysinbad I get that. I feel like the pacing/immersion really got broken in this one since it’s been a month since the first half. (Like the opening w/ Thatcher’s alternate. That’s a lot more jarring/unsettling when you watch vol4 in one go) Between that and the joke cracking I’ll admit it did feel like too many key story details got missed entirely or talked over.
For Stanley, I think the contorted flesh and bones bit is him describing the agony of trying to make himself appear human. He started as a 2d smiley face and transformed into a photo of a man, that had to hurt! then this new version is him trying to go from a photo of a man into a 3d version using the software. but as we saw earlier, this program isn't very good so it distorted his face further.
I don't think so, actually! "With contorted flesh and bone i made myself known" I think relates to the fact that Stanley literally twisted Adam's mother's corpse and desecrated her body, "making himself known" on the police video feeds from the beginning of Mandela Catalogue where it warns you of having technology in your home/TVs alone with children because of an *intruder*.
41:25 my best attempt at transcription: "A thriving society of followers of the truth, a mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom. I held my breath and waited for it to stop. I was too scared . time we made our way through." the only dodgey part is that last bit other wise I'm pretty sure I got it all.
I love that MatPat is one of the only youtubers who actually remembers what happend in the last episodes. Instead of just being so confused all the time. (I know it's his literal job but still)
@@tobysinbad I mean more like the bare minimum, names of characters and stuff that happend in the last episode or so. I know it's not much but it's really frustrating to see other youtuber just not get it, you know?
@@p3gasus-M I haven't seen others' videos on these sorts of things, but from personal experience, I know that people don't have a particularly fantastic memory... For me it's weird, because I can vividly remember trivial nothings that make me feel like a cheater on a test (when my memory is useful lol). But most people need to have stuff hammered into their head via repetition.
I feel like the Face studio is connected to Stanley, with the whole, "Imagine what your friend would look like", and now a program using your face to be able to make yourself or someone else talk
oh my goodness I know I'm a little late to this video but thank freaking goodness you finally did a second part I am unfortunately a chronic coward and I very much enjoy your scientific breakdowns you do of these videos because it makes it to where I can watch them without being anywhere near as horrified and actually be able to sleep at night
Lolz. Me too doge. I don't particularly like the very frequent interuptions from MatPat, but I did not want to watch this one without him. Provides a safety to watch spooky scary stuff with MatPat pausing every 15 seconds to analyze the funny pixels in the corner. Can't get spooped if the amibient spooks can't do anything.
An interesting thing with the guy that gets interrupted by Sarah's voicemail is that it could also be Adam. They both look very similar, and afterwards we see the 3 pictures needed for Face Studio 2. It could also imply that the unknown user was the app.
@@Sidgirl5 It’s the Intruder, or “Stanley.” It’s implied that Stanley replaced the real Adam with the alternate we’ve gotten to know throughout the series. Adam looking like Stanley is meant to be symbolic because Stanley brought alternate Adam into reality, so in a sense Stanley is Adam’s “father.”
@@Sidgirl5 Nah doge. Any idea is as good as another for this stuff. Unless we're inside Alex Kister's spooky head, we aren't gonna know what he means with all this cryptic goodness. Heck, he might not even know what he means if he's one thirteenth as crazy as I am. Lelz.
It’s interesting to watch MatPat react and theorize after watching Wendigoon react. I feel Wendigoon will have a more accurate take on TMC because he actively talks to Alex, the creator. MatPat however is working with what he has.
it's actually so interesting to follow this series and hear mat's theory/logic brain work these things out. specifically because, me being someone who works with the metaphysical, i can see how stuff like MAD and being immune to it plays into real life too. if you are not mentally strong enough to handle working with the metaphysical, it CAN be terrifying and drive you to insanity. there are people who we call upon to aid us with metaphysical happenings, priests, mediums, exorcists, etc. this series is so fun to follow along because of the monotheist religion imagery but also metaphysical happenings that don't appear to be tied to monotheism.
You can tell Alex put his heart into this one because the quality on it is amazing. It amazes me how well he keeps us on our toes when watching his videos. I can't wait to see where this goes because there's so many elements he has set the stage for that it leaves many ideas for videos. I hope he keeps at it and people like Matt can react to it and enjoy it together
I saw someone say that Thatcher's alternate's name might be Goliath... If this is true, they might be trying to draw some parallel to the David and Goliath story.
Adam could be the Mandela Prophet. He's been corrupting his friends by introducing them to alternates, and is the person who is shown immediately after the intro of a prophet. The intruder is also talking to him like a son, and he seems to have given them a means of digital screen access, as opposed to the tapes. Analog tape dies with Dave and lives again in the computer.
With MatPat talking about Porky Pig singing Christmas songs, I'm reminded that a friend of mine had an album of Beatles songs performed by the Looney Tunes, and I can't help but wonder if Ash knows that exists.
Just so we're on the right Track Matthew Patthew, the face that appears at this timestamp 1:02:51 and what our hooded boi is saying is that it was Adam in part 3 when that face first showed up. It's what Adam sees when he looks in the mirror and why he's so interested in finding alternates. You can even see the resemblances at this time stamp between them. 1:07:59
He also didn't seem to notice the correlation Thatchers alternate made calling Thatcher a "scared boy with a gun" and the circled window of what seems to be the room where Mark Heathcliff fell prey to the alternates
Currently sitting around 37:10 - maybe the new element of computer/AI/face generator/etc is the alternates adapting to the phasing out of tvs in response to them. We saw in earlier videos a particular scene where a voice in a video (instructional/industrial looking video?) was speaking to the viewer saying that they just have to think of what they want in a best friend and their perfect best friend will appear (insinuation being that the alternates are formed based on the original’s thoughts/imagination/etc) - the elongated alternate appears not long after and kills someone. What if the programme - which asks for details and input to create an imagining of a new/ideal face - is gathering data in a similar way? The old videos can’t be seen anymore since they’re tv videos but computers have remained and are becoming more advanced and reaching even more people. The alternates are adapting.
I think Wendigoon mentioned this in his video, but the alternate with the vertically stretched face looks very similar to Adam's pictures he uploaded to face studio
interesting point about adam's behaivor about jonnah's death adam as a kid didn't respond at all to the stress test right? maybe he never really got better at responding to stress?
There's something very calming about hearing the sound of the heater at the beginning. This was a great watch, I was really looking forward to it. It's definitely developing its own unique art style which is pretty cool.
I totally understand Matt's excitement for something popular/famous coming from your area, I love close to the place where they filmed High school musical and have been to where they filmed and while it's magical, the best feeling is watching it and being like "that's my area!! That's where I'm from!"
Theory, the intruder is impersonating Adam's father, since the 2 look similar but he's not copying Adam since he's been like for a long time, maybe Adam's father to comfort the baby Adam, also Adam could been a alternate that feels human emotion but is deep down, an alternate
The face studio 2 thing (I think) is explaining how Alternates clone people. Those who use face studio get put into the database, so 6 can access their faces so he can clone and replace them in the real world. Gabriel cannot do this. (He 'wakes' more distorted Alternates, such as Preacher, in vol 2. he says this) You can also warp your face, so that would explain Type 3 (from the T.H.I.N.K. Principle), which have warped and distorted faces. Also The "17 years ago, might I add." thing was from when the Alternate attacks started happening more often, when Adam was kidnapped as a baby, when 6 [Aka Stanley] went rogue. So, yes, I think that's when Ruth was killed, as the one who called Thatcher saying there was a man in corner and his wife was hurt was Adam's father. Ruth and Thatcher arrived right after he called the police; In exhibition, the police officer who chickened out was presumably the one Ruth was talking about when she called Thatcher. They seemed to have arrived after the camera was taken away and after 6 was tampering with Lynn's body. Thatcher was determined to solve the case(s) even after 17 years because Ruth died working on that case.
Bing Crosby is a perfect example of one of the warm comforting voices from the older christmas songs. White Christmas is one of my favorite christmas songs to this day.
Remember Mat - I dont all the way, but if the early call between Obrien and Dave was 2 years ago, something couldve happened that we have yet to learn too. (and after 2 years could be when Obrien had already been taken). 'Eve' couldve found more of those tapes or something too. Could be out of order though. Sure the call with thatcher wasnt earlier too? He did throw the cover on the tv - WHICH IS HAVE EVELIN FOUND IT...
I've been waiting for this for awhile FINALLY These are all my observations and interpretations of the video and the series so far 1. I think alternates are shape-shifting creatures( that could be aliens )who were mistaken for angels by early man while somewhere in the 1900s they were recognized for what they actually are and they probably can also faze in and out of reality or maybe just the greater angelic ones can. and that's where MAD disorder comes in and I think MAD disorder is how we see Dave die in the video (he clawed his eyes out). 2. And for the intruder it seems that he is related to everything technology based in the series (except possibly face studio 2) 3. the point where we see a woman hung in the video (Adam's mom)I think we're watching from the prospective of Adam after the intruder got done remaking him and we're thrown out beside the TV then we were looking around getting our bearings and then we see our mom hanging and then a glitching face even though it seems like we are in the prospective of a person .because the intruder has just remade us. and we're encountering this glitch because our mom's death is messing with us and that's how its being expressed in our robotic mind as a scary glitch. And that's also why Adam has a cold demeanor towards stuff like Jonah's death. And is very non empathetic and tested zero on the stress assessment test. Sorry Matt but I'm afraid I beat you to the robot kid theory 4.I'm not sure yet if the intruder and the angelic alternates are opposing forces. Because face studio 2 seems like a ploy for the alternates to get people that they can mimic and could be what the red text meant by ''records''as in digital records. But it has a strong emphasis on being a digital technology. which has always been a thing associated with the intruder. So maybe the intruder and the angelic alternates are on the same side. And what the intruder does to kids is how new alternates are made. and Adam is a new alternate that doesn't know he is an alternate. or maybe ALL alternates start out not knowing that they're alternates. and have to get told by the intruder. the same way Adam was. but If that was true. where did the angelic alternates that have been around since before the intruder come from? Idk put in the replies if you have anything significant more to add
The alternates is probably like what mat said. They are some kind of satan. My theory is... I think this story is about what happened if lucifer and their followers win when they were going against god. Since they said "We have their prayers" like they don't have it before and it meant it used to be gods thing. So god is not in control anymore the corrupted angels are. If they are actually aliens. That doesn't really made sense since they appear since the creation of adam and eve or it could be that the aliens created humans. That's just my theory of mandela catalogue so I'm not sure myself.
41:24 A thriving society of followers of the truth, a mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom. I held my breath, and waited for it to stop. I was too scared to leave my bedroom-room-room-room-room-room-room-room. PS: I don't know what he says at the end.
As MatPat was commentating on the interesting aspects of the avatar in Face Studio 2 claiming "digital technology has come and saved us all" around 37:54, his voice started glitching and my computer crashed. I know this was a complete coincidence, but sitting in the dark with my blanket while watching this at night I was suddenly terrified.
"ItsameWario" (Kyle DeNigris) is the VA for Boozoo in The Walten Files! Also, Firecat Productions assisted with Shipwrecked 64, a game you DEFINITELY should play. The scares in that are top notch. I'm assuming they assisted with those amazing scenes of the Intruder speaking, because they have that same unsettling vibe as the hidden monsters from Shipwrecked. I really love Mandela's new style. It is both beautifully composed and very unsettling. As you said, that newfound strangeness works highly in its favor.
3:00 it’s odd that people forget that Christmas has always been spooky, it’s always had story’s of ghosts and monsters, people used to gather around a toasty fire and tell ghost story’s but in modern years that tradition has fallen off as advertises just try to sell you more and more junk you don’t really need or want but someone in the family will end up buying anyway.
Really? How so? I mean...I get Halloween, that one's obvious but like...Christmas is about celebrating generosity. Both Jesus and St. Nicholas were incredibly generous and self-sacrificing..never heard of the scary story thing...doesn't..make 100% sense with the holiday...
@@BuckerydogSchmuckeryDog *the most wonderful time of the year lyrics* "There will be scary ghost stories and tales of the glories of christmases long long ago"
I think the face in face studio 2 said "A thriving society of followers of the true savior. A mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom. I held my breath and waited for it to stop, I was too scared to face the truth." What does that mean?
I haven't finished the video yet, so I don't know if matt realized it, but 17 years ago was when thatcher basically started the case about the alternates. this takes place in 2009 and 17 years before that, 1992 was the year that Mark Heathcliff died
I have a wee theory on the purpose of face studio I think it to be a method alternates can use to easily and stealthily mimic people's faces and identities, it asks for a full head image And personal data, both of which can be used together to imitate another person. Rather than finding prey and spying on them in person to copy their face and identity, alternates can simply access this database it speaks of, mold their face into that of their target, copy their voice and identity, and boom! Thanks to it, alternates wouldn't have to risk being spotted early, or risk being harmed in any way, and they would have easy access to their personal data like address, family, maybe even their fears and regrets for good measure! and as to how it was made, i assume it to be either a particularly tech savvy alternate, or a human working with them (either under threat of replacement (and death) via alternate or out of greed maybe) who also works in the tech industry.
FINALLY another person who recognizes TSO for how epic it really is... I've been missing it listening to Christmas music lately, but my dad always makes sure to play it when we're in the car
REALLY hope you pick up little nightmares 2 again Mat :( that demo gameplay felt like you didn't wanna give the game a chance.. a big shame cause besides a few uncomfortable moments with the controls, this game has so so so much to give and im sure you'd be fascinated with the story if you gave it a try!!! Thank you for the amazing content as always, really hope you get to see this!!
I think by “the stage was set for you. But you still followed the shepherd” he meant that Dave had his path set as the video store owner, but he still chose to turn to religion
i think the prophet is adam, since he started the paranormal society that was investigating and publishing info about alternates, right? and that whole last section is about adam. and it seems like maybe what's going on is that the intruder is possessing adam, as it seemed the face speaking to him at the end was a weird animated version of his own face like thatcher, but he isn't actually in control of adam. i think he's essentially chosen adam for some reason to be his vessel and he wants to take over but it seems like sarah is preventing that, as sarah is able to interrupt him with her voicemail and as it goes on the intruder fades out and disappears, like sarah is tying adam to his humanity and keeping him from being used. and i think the deception might be the thought that jonah is dead when he's really not, because we don't actually have any reason to believe jonah has died. he runs away, and then gabriel starts taunting him through the gps saying he left adam to die and telling him to open his eyes, then we skip ahead a couple hours and jonah is parked on the side of the road, gets out, and then vomits or something. he doesn't wreck and we don't see, nor is it implied, that anything actually happened to him. of course, it could also be that jonah is the prophet and gabriel tricked him into thinking that adam is dead. adam seems much more protag-y though, so i kinda doubt that.
I know i’m super late but i’m so glad to hear someone talk about mannheim Steamroller christmas music, that was a huge part of my childhood growing up. My grandma would always play that with traditional christmas carols
Maybe the alternate has 3 different iterations because its supposed to be the holy trinity, father, son and holy ghost? I dunno, just seems like he is the stand in for god in this universe
I used to bartend at an Arena and always worked the TSO Christmas Concert every year. It was the highlight of my year, something I always looked forward to working there. They are honestly so amazing. And it's so great to see you reacting to AH again! Been waiting a few weeks to see the continuation of this one haha. Keep up the amazing work that you are doing. P.S. I watch every one of your videos the day they come out and have been binge watching all your older ones in my downtime. You're honestly my favorite UA-camr. Congratulations on everything you've accomplished and I can't wait to see what this new adventure ahead of us brings.
I know there’s a specific name for the alternate with the ‘scream’ mask face, it’s name is Preacher because it is an overdriven assimilation of a nun. BUT the photos in 1:11:35 remind me of the face we see in this section 29:57. The being here doesn’t look like “Preacher”, it looks exactly like an alternate took Adams Face Studio pics and tried to assimilate his looks, but like his friend Preacher, it was overdriven rather than flawed or perfect assimilation. I hope this makes sense but just so the important things come through - - the alternate we see whispering all the time is called Preacher - we are told that it’s name is Preacher on the TMC Wiki page, we are told that it has assimilated a nun in the video titled ‘interlude’ - it is pretty much confirmed that alternates have created Face Studio to con people into unknowingly giving alternates their profile and voice (if they choose to send videos of what they want their face studio character to say). - the photo Adam has sent to the Face Studio (1:11:35), looks nothing like his actual face. It looks too skinny and long - therefore I think that the face we see in 29:57 looks more like an overdriven version of Adam’s Face Studio picture more than it looks like the Preacher.
There's a Roblox horror game called Isle, it's really unique and well made. I doubt every part of the lore has been solved yet due to the amount of small details within the game. On top of that, there are over 60 badges (achievements) that follow the same format, for example: The Predator, The Tomb, The Encounter, and The Stranger, to name a few. I recommend playing with others as other people are the real threat, it have trust issues now. The AI are also really smart. The atmosphere really hits.
At this point the witty banter is just watching Matt and Ash's relationship evolve into a long lasting friendship. Literally watching them realize everything pure they have in common.
A little disappointing but the since with alternate Thatcher switching between sides is supposed to pan with headphones in and it sounds so good because of the voice acting. When I first heard it it was almost like he was there next to my ear, I could legitimately almost feel his breath on my ear. It's unfortunate they couldn't react to it for the first time with that experience.
Something I think matpat didn't see is that the intruder video call was the face studio's recreation of adam. Notice the hood and overall "face" shape.
You missed a crucial part when Gabriel was talking to David.
"You were so close David. You had it all figured out. The Stage was set for you." but there's 1 crucial line after that clarifies what you think is entirely wrong.
"Yet you still managed to follow the Shepard." David was someone important that would've figured out crucial details with Thatcher that would solve everything. Yet, he fell to O'Brien, he fell to the shepard, and now he can no longer fulfill that purpose.
They follow the false Shepard
"With contorted flesh and broken bones I made myself known" might be referring to the fact that one of the first public contacts with Intruder was when Ruth and Davis set up the camera in Murray household and as a result they got photos of unseen force tampering with Jude Murray's body that was disfigured (and censored for us). He literally made his existance be known by puppeteering a broken corpse around.
That was my first thought. Don't know if it's thr right one, but it's what I was thinking.
For clarity and stuff:
1. yep, jonah's dead. Alex confirmed he was killed offscreen (not sure by what tho)
2. In a deleted tweet, Spidey (Evelin's actress) showed a screenshot of Eve being accepted for a desk job with the police department so that's likely why she's walking around asking for Thatcher. (Dave mentioned he had a good friend from the police department in the first part)
3. The whole event of Vol. 333 (when Ruth died and Thatcher got his alternate) was 1992. that would place Dave and Thatcher's phone call in 2009.
4. According to Alex, Dave's brain just kinda exploded
anyone else feel free to add on
jonah was killed offscreen because the VA is a shitty person, so alex removed the character entirely from the series. 2 birds, 1 stone.
@@hotelinjapan389 I wished Alex would’ve just gotten a new VA for him, but it’s his series.
@@ratbabyhasgerms I believe he was harassing people online, but don’t take my word for it.
"through contorted flesh and broken bones i made myself known" cue the man in the TV
So we know there was a body that was tempered with in the Murray household, does that mean that the intruder also killed the father, Jude, took his body and thats the person on the TV? Or maybe he made himself into a man from Lynn's body.
Both of which are equally horrifying might i add
@puteqx But didn't adam summon the Alternate due to the TV show? or is the divorce way after that?
53:18 The whisper voice that we've come to associate with the fake Gabriel is actually still present, but you gotta listen for it very closely as the new voice is layered along with it.
I didn't notice that until my third watch, it's fascinating how many little details like that Vol 4 has that you don't always see right away
@@zhyza Or in this case, hear right away. :P
I honestly doubt I'd have realized it without seeing your comment. Makes you wonder just how much more is hidden under the surface
Duuuuude
Combined with the survey that MatPat had us take, I'm a bit unsettled to think about what his upcoming theory may be.
What was the survey
@@KikiCatMeow it was a survey on how attractive you found faces. but some of them had a uncanny valley look.
Where did you find it, is there a link somewhere?
@@tieguy1101 the 'FuhNaff Proves Me WRONG' gtlive video (in the description)
SAME I'm still scarred from that
If the intruder is supposed to be a representation or similiar in role to God then Jonah running away from him and getting punished (albeit in slightly different ways) is an interesting parallel to the biblical story of Jonah
Intruder is not god he is Satan he says to Adam do you remember my face and it shows the show Adams was watching when he was a kid and make imaginary friend aka a alternate probably Satan takes real Adam and replaces him with a alternate Adam that doesn't realize he's a alternate version of Adam like sleeper agents that's why when the intruder say when you look in the mirror you see the same monsters in your bedroom still confused go to wendigang channel and go to live and scroll down to find wendigoon actually be good at theorizing unlike matpat.
wow I never thought about it that way. Is there any parallels to adam?
I know clips of The Creation by the beginners bible occasionally plays in the series, but is there any literal connections?
I agree with the concept of technology being presented as god. I think Stanly might be from the first face studio and then the impostor is Stanly in face studio 2 and his ai is evolving enough to use technology to leave the digital world and come into the real world.
@@Noob10346GD I mean...what is he doing with Evelin? He's trying to entice her to consume the apple (aka join the Alternates, since we know Gabriel became the Tree of Knowledge.)
41:25 "A thriving society of followers of the true saviour- as the tangled limbs danced around my bedroom, I held my breath and waited for it to stop. I was too scared to leave my bedroom-room-room-room."
You are positive that was what it was saying?
Idk if it's ruth or bedroom
I agree I didn't really catch all of it but this cleared things up good ear!
i heard "A thriving society of followers of the truth- -a mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom."
@@revron9683Yes I did hear truth not true savior and I think your right that they said "a mess" not "as the"
Guh. The still photos of melted-face alternates are creepy enough. Seeing them so well-animated? Yes please and also no thank you.
guh
seeing them animated makes it less creepy in my opinion. The unsettling feeling of the still image, like it could move anytime and you wouldn't notice it it's what makes it horrorfying. But it still pretty well made, the animations are sick
It freaked me out so bad when I first watched it lol
Its fun to see it animated since it can go to many different “unrealistic” ways so what i say is “yes please” lol
it is absolutely my worst nightmare, it absolutely terrifies me, but I can't look away from this series as the story keeps drawing me in
17 years ago Ruth and thatcher went to Adams house, Adam created an alternate and it killed his mother and father and then killed Ruth, that same alternate followed Thatcher to the police station and seemingly copied his appearance.
Not only did it copy Thatcher's appearance at the station, but just after Thatcher escaped and abandoned Ruth it copied his voice, got into the phone lines, and called off the backup Thatcher called that would've saved her.
@@MythicRanger2401 No thatcher was calling for back up to the mandela police station because every single cop was just gone and he was racing back to HQ fleeing from the Murray house.
@@tgreaux5027 The alternate already copied his voice when they arrived at Adam’s house to investigate. There’s also a possibility that jude on the phone line with davis was probably an alternate instead back in vol.333 which means he copied his voice before the visit to the murray home.
@@tgreaux5027 It's not entirely clear who was operating the radios. It could have been the real Thatcher or the alternate trying to lure police to the station as well. It copied his voice at the investigation at the Murray house
I watched wendigangs reaction to Mandela v4, and boy oh boy I hope matpat comes to the same realization that he did cuz it’s insane
As long as Mat has stopped thinking it’s aliens I think we’re doing pretty good lol 😅😭
AYOO WENDIGOON FAN!! I thought the same thing lmaoo
I HAVE FOUND MY PEOPLE
When Wendi got to that idea at the end I reached that same thought, oh god I'm excited even more so of what's to come
He won't, I haven't watched the video, and I would still bet money on it.
The way I view this, the alternates look for whatever way is easiest to reach the largest amount of people most effectively. First they used religion, then they used television, and now with Face Studio they’re moving onto computer programs. My guess is the next step is video games or VR. Just my guess
Dang, the Game of the Year 2023 will do humanity in
Yeah that's a pretty good analysis. I also thought like with the face studio that that the alternates were now utilizing this relatively new technology (seeing as we've seemed to have progressed in time) to 'convert' more people. They were using widespread software as a mass-consumption medium that's sure to grab a whole boatload more people, so that analysis that if they were using this modern pc software around the 2000's and that before they used television and religion as those mass-consumption or mass mediums of communication to transmit their bad vibes is pretty cool.
Alex kister should make one of these games that give some more story
oh god vr...
that makes a lot of sense, and also implies they’ve been widespread for thousands of years.
53:35 when Matpat says that the VA for Gabriel is a departure from his origins. Would like to add that A: you can hear the original TTS voice underneath his current voice (use headphones and listen very carefully); B: he’s still got the voice of O’Brian so he hasn’t fully gone into full Gabriel mode yet.
Ah, I thought that was just an effect, good ears!
As a Christian myself, it’s very interesting to see the way this series raps itself around biblical stories
rappin' for jesus?
I'm a Christian too and I wish MatPat would stop calling the Fruit of the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil an apple.
@@JediDrewsterT look man almost all of culture refers to the forbidden fruit as an apple, it's a normal mistake to make.
@@JediDrewsterT I gave up with that back in elementary. But what if it was a peach 👀
@@JediDrewsterT well "Fruit of the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil" doesnt really roll off the tongue now does it
I started laughing when mat was was like "so it's interesting that-"
*guy crying*
"That they're switching from-"
*more crying and swearing*
"That they're-" 😂
HELPPP ME TOO ☠️☠️☠️ I ALMOST DIED
I think that the "17 years ago" was probably about his 1st encounter with the intruder. Remember that was the time the child was taken, that was technically his 1st encounter
god yall are so smart 😭
that and adam is like 17 right?
@@partyp0isxnnmark heathcliff also died at 17 years old.
the fact that Adam was an alternate the whole entire time was the best damn twist ever, it really just makes certain parts insanely cool. Like how Adam didnt react to the toddler assessment test, how he's so uncaring to Jonah, his attraction to all things alternate, the fact that the alternates didn't kill him but just asked "you don't remember me"? IT'S ALL SO GOOD
Twist?? I thought it was really obvious he was one of em
@@synkt8759 it still counts as a twist.
Thought: Davis is a British name derived from the name David. If we have Adam, Eve(lyn), Mark, Sarah, Ruth and Jonah (all biblical names) is it too farfetched that Thatcher Davis is David? David, a man thrown into a den of hungry lions but was saved by God passifying the lions? In this case, Davis is thrown into a world of Alternates and not only trying to survive but wanting to stop the Alternates from hurting others.
Daniel was thrown in the Lion's den. David killed Goliath, formed a band of giant slayers, then ultimately became king.
@@Seomus you're right. I apologize. I mixed them in my head for some reason. 😂😅
thats like making fanfictions about where the abrahamic religions' prophets getting isekai'd to a world of alternates.
nah. i'll pass.
I mean, if its like that, wouldn't Dave be David? Doesn't fit the source material though.
@@AJIEKC777 Yeah. Maybe my ears heard it wrong but I'm pretty sure Fake Gabriel called Dave "David".
I think that bit of talking during the video Adam sent Sarah wasn't Jonah, but instead Adam himself sending out a cry for help. You hear him talking about how the computer is messing with his words. This seems to be confirmed later when he listens to the intruder, who ends their conversation with "Your skin is not your own. You're not the real you." Only to be interrupted by a distraught Sarah, asking who Adam was talking to and begging him to call her back so she can have answers. Also forgive me if this ends up being what was said in the video I'm writing this about 12 minutes before it ends because I couldn't restrain myself any longer lmao!
The fact that the line about the computer messing with his words is right before the Face Studio section seems important
@@50puft That's also true! And at the end you get Adam's face from three angles, just as the face studio instructed!
WOAH I never picked up on the fact that Sarah said to call him back like they were already on a call
Yeah this is another one I'm hearing alot from that it wasn't Johan but an alternate messing with Adam and honestly I'm all in for that
Adam was replaced when he was a baby that's why the intruder aka Satan says don't you remember me and Satan says I cradle him in my arms and that's why satan says when you look in the mirror you see the same monster you see in your bedroom aka what Adam real alternate form is and alternate Adam didn't know he was a alternate that's why the voices says wake up Adam don't make me wake the other's meaning wake up and realize your alternate and that's why Adam is never scared like jonah
I think that Adam is a special kind of Alternate where a Alternate and a human mind can coexist in the same body.
I theorize that Face Studio 2 is a new way of assimilating Alternates into human bodies, where the uploading of your face is counted as a invitation, since they can access your personal data and all that through the program. This is supported through the scene where Adam goes “PLEASE JUST GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY HEAD”, since it’s implied that a Alternate is taking the things that Adam intends on doing and sort of pops in and changes that, thus creating the effect of Adam’s words being manipulated in the online messages with Sarah.
Much like the Biblical Adam being the one to introduce sin in this universe, the Mandela Adam is the one to introduce a new race of Alternates. Alternates can now coexist with people in their minds, and they can take over whenever they want.
“A thriving society of followers of the one true savior.”
I think what may have happened is Thatcher brought that Face Studio 2 into the police station. It found a way to access all the mugshots taken (all usually three photos from the front and each side) and from there ran rampant. It would explain why it's only a local phenomenon, and why the police department and the police in general play a big role in this story
Good theory
Conversely, having “their prayers” may be a more straightforward way to imply that Adam, being the “prophet”, has provided enough chaos and evil for the false biblical members to take receive the hopeless prayers of sufferers.
36:00 - I just believe this is the alternates trying to get peoples information, and asking them for 3 photo's gives them enough to try and manipulate their forms to match whoever it is
Has anyone else reasoned that Stanley probably made his body out of Adam’s moms body? And thats why when the body was being tapered with my invisible force it was covered?
That's what I am thinking.
Wait what, I am so confused with this series
@@Lyra-Carl so Stanley (intruder) says “with contorted flesh and broken bones, i made myself known” and we know adams mom at some point in this time frame Adams mom passes and her corps is tampered with by an invisible force as seen in a prior entry *dont remember which episode :’)*
That being said if you think about it, i feel like its kinda implied the tampering of the corpse is stanly taking her body to use to cone to life
I think something very interesting is that the alternate that appears during the Intruder’s monologue looks suspiciously like Adam, specifically the forward facing picture that appears at the end. Accompanied by the line “when you look in the mirror and see the same monsters in your room” (not an exact quote but you get the idea). I’m not sure what it could suggest, but I find it to be an odd detail.
I believe that is Adam's true form as an alternate, it's shown as an "overdriven assimilation" which I believe means that it went beyond assimilating its prey and forgot it was an alternate to begin with.
@@frostcrm wait if that's true, does that mean the real human Adam is on earth?? Because truly how could Alternate Adam talk to Alternate Adam this way? One on one if he's not looking at a mirror? It could be that they threw the real Adam back to this world at some point while his alternate was already here. So Real Adam has been indoctrinated while the Alternate Adam is doing stuff on his own. I mean it could be but I don't see why that could be useful to the bad guys so eh idk, im speculating really lol.
@@nyom6378 In this video the intruder tells this Adam that "I held him in my arms, my sweet boy. And I took him away" I'm not sure what he does with the children he takes. The theories that I am currently agreeing with think this story is very based in religion with the alternates being demons and "Gabriel" in this world tricking humans into worshipping him instead of true gods. You see in Mark's journal "Who have I been praying to"
@@nyom6378 I think the real Adam I’d long gone or converted to the over done assimilated, and the Adam we know and see is just a alternate that forgot he’s an alternate when is around this activity it switches a switch in him bringing up those old tendencies. Meaning Adam had been an alternate his whole life with out knowing it and only recently is becoming self aware
I agree, if you look closely it even looks like the intruder is wearing a hoodie like he is
This witty banter brought back my childhood. My grandma always had the classic Christmas songs on so I grew up listening to Burl Ives, Bing Crosby, Elvis, etc. Thanks for the nostalgia Matt Pat.
to me, the "we have their prayers" means that in this world, God isnt in control. Like with Mark, in vol 3 when he says "who have i been praying to all this time?" The God that these people are praying to isnt in control anymore and cant help people. Satan and Gabriel and The alternates literally have their prayers.
19:01 I love that. "A scared boy with a gun." That was Mark.
My first thought with the Face 2.0 thingy is that it asks for all of your personal information and a picture of different perspectives of your face. In a way, it's stealing your personhood under the guide of a fun little tool.
A more advanced way to steal away people.
Edit: THAT'S THE CHURCH FROM WAY BEFORE
oh my god FINALLY 😭 i’ve been wanting to see matpat’s reaction to the ending for weeks!!
Same
he took way too fucking long to finish for no reason, he could’ve waited till he finished uploading the first to start filming the second part :|
Tbh i’m kind of disappointed, he hasn’t got what lots of us did on the day and now he’s confused because of the gaps, which is where he gets more critical and doubles down
@@tobysinbad I get that. I feel like the pacing/immersion really got broken in this one since it’s been a month since the first half. (Like the opening w/ Thatcher’s alternate. That’s a lot more jarring/unsettling when you watch vol4 in one go)
Between that and the joke cracking I’ll admit it did feel like too many key story details got missed entirely or talked over.
@@j1430 FR he talk WAY too much
Idk why, but the interactions between matpat and ash are so wholesome and make me feel like part of the gang. I appreciate it
The intruder’s big speech is like my favorite part of the entire series
For Stanley, I think the contorted flesh and bones bit is him describing the agony of trying to make himself appear human. He started as a 2d smiley face and transformed into a photo of a man, that had to hurt! then this new version is him trying to go from a photo of a man into a 3d version using the software. but as we saw earlier, this program isn't very good so it distorted his face further.
Ohhhh that's a good point
I don't think so, actually! "With contorted flesh and bone i made myself known" I think relates to the fact that Stanley literally twisted Adam's mother's corpse and desecrated her body, "making himself known" on the police video feeds from the beginning of Mandela Catalogue where it warns you of having technology in your home/TVs alone with children because of an *intruder*.
Pretty sure it refers to: "body is being tampered with by an invisible force" from intruder alert
41:25 my best attempt at transcription: "A thriving society of followers of the truth, a mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom. I held my breath and waited for it to stop. I was too scared . time we made our way through." the only dodgey part is that last bit other wise I'm pretty sure I got it all.
I love that MatPat is one of the only youtubers who actually remembers what happend in the last episodes. Instead of just being so confused all the time. (I know it's his literal job but still)
But he was confused and missed a load of stuff Wendigoon caught on the day
@@tobysinbad I mean more like the bare minimum, names of characters and stuff that happend in the last episode or so. I know it's not much but it's really frustrating to see other youtuber just not get it, you know?
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@@p3gasus-M I haven't seen others' videos on these sorts of things, but from personal experience, I know that people don't have a particularly fantastic memory...
For me it's weird, because I can vividly remember trivial nothings that make me feel like a cheater on a test (when my memory is useful lol).
But most people need to have stuff hammered into their head via repetition.
@@hunterlg13 photographic memory? Lucky-
38:57 you can see Matt go from theory mode to pale when he realized what he was seeing
I've been waiting so long to see Mat's reaction to the Intruder since Wendigoon streamed it, always gives me actual chills
I feel like the Face studio is connected to Stanley, with the whole, "Imagine what your friend would look like", and now a program using your face to be able to make yourself or someone else talk
I think Stanley is the Intruder, Gabriel’s using the Face Studio software to improve his band of alternates’ abilities to doppelgang
@@tobysinbad bro upgraded his troops
the spooky face with the mouth open really wide might be Adam? it shows it at the end with the intruder. seems to be wearing the same hoodie
idk if you watched interlude or not but in that video its revealed that alternate is an overdriven nun
Wendigoon?
oh my goodness I know I'm a little late to this video but thank freaking goodness you finally did a second part I am unfortunately a chronic coward and I very much enjoy your scientific breakdowns you do of these videos because it makes it to where I can watch them without being anywhere near as horrified and actually be able to sleep at night
Sleep is useless, consume content...must consume content
i understand, ugh, this story is so spooky
Lolz.
Me too doge. I don't particularly like the very frequent interuptions from MatPat, but I did not want to watch this one without him.
Provides a safety to watch spooky scary stuff with MatPat pausing every 15 seconds to analyze the funny pixels in the corner.
Can't get spooped if the amibient spooks can't do anything.
No literally same. I have to watch his analyses because I cannot watch these on their own. Too freaky
An interesting thing with the guy that gets interrupted by Sarah's voicemail is that it could also be Adam. They both look very similar, and afterwards we see the 3 pictures needed for Face Studio 2. It could also imply that the unknown user was the app.
this probably isn't a very solid idea and is probably contradicted by a bunch of stuff, but still something interesting I wanted people to consider
@@Sidgirl5 It’s the Intruder, or “Stanley.” It’s implied that Stanley replaced the real Adam with the alternate we’ve gotten to know throughout the series. Adam looking like Stanley is meant to be symbolic because Stanley brought alternate Adam into reality, so in a sense Stanley is Adam’s “father.”
@@thatoneguy5343 fair enough, that makes a lot of sense
Sorry, it was honestly a dumb idea I had at 1 am
@@Sidgirl5 Nah doge.
Any idea is as good as another for this stuff. Unless we're inside Alex Kister's spooky head, we aren't gonna know what he means with all this cryptic goodness.
Heck, he might not even know what he means if he's one thirteenth as crazy as I am. Lelz.
It’s interesting to watch MatPat react and theorize after watching Wendigoon react. I feel Wendigoon will have a more accurate take on TMC because he actively talks to Alex, the creator. MatPat however is working with what he has.
I kinda can't believe matpat hasn't let go of the intruder vs gabriel thing. It seems less likely as time goes on
@@Jaden-Ringwell wendagoon has the exact same theory and he has more information to go off so the intruder vs Gabriel is actually probably likely
@@cooperbrett7269 please remind me because I don't remember wendigoon ever talking about Gabriel vs intruder being a likely thing.
it's actually so interesting to follow this series and hear mat's theory/logic brain work these things out. specifically because, me being someone who works with the metaphysical, i can see how stuff like MAD and being immune to it plays into real life too. if you are not mentally strong enough to handle working with the metaphysical, it CAN be terrifying and drive you to insanity. there are people who we call upon to aid us with metaphysical happenings, priests, mediums, exorcists, etc. this series is so fun to follow along because of the monotheist religion imagery but also metaphysical happenings that don't appear to be tied to monotheism.
The face studio voice sounds the same as the voice from the first video, “I will fool the shepherds” sound.
For the eye thing. It’s if you see God not the angels. So maybe it’s something like that.
You can tell Alex put his heart into this one because the quality on it is amazing. It amazes me how well he keeps us on our toes when watching his videos. I can't wait to see where this goes because there's so many elements he has set the stage for that it leaves many ideas for videos. I hope he keeps at it and people like Matt can react to it and enjoy it together
I saw someone say that Thatcher's alternate's name might be Goliath... If this is true, they might be trying to draw some parallel to the David and Goliath story.
Unfortunately the guy named Dave is already dead
Adam could be the Mandela Prophet. He's been corrupting his friends by introducing them to alternates, and is the person who is shown immediately after the intro of a prophet. The intruder is also talking to him like a son, and he seems to have given them a means of digital screen access, as opposed to the tapes. Analog tape dies with Dave and lives again in the computer.
Fantastic point 👏
Finally I’ve been waiting for this reaction for so long 😭
SAME BRUH ALL WEEK
i literally JUST watched the first half like a couple hours ago and then he uploaded this an hour ago.
you have no idea how timely this really was
With MatPat talking about Porky Pig singing Christmas songs, I'm reminded that a friend of mine had an album of Beatles songs performed by the Looney Tunes, and I can't help but wonder if Ash knows that exists.
Me: sobs my eyes out about how beautiful thatcher's letter is
Matpat: talks over the letter and talks about the characterization instead
Just so we're on the right Track Matthew Patthew, the face that appears at this timestamp 1:02:51 and what our hooded boi is saying is that it was Adam in part 3 when that face first showed up. It's what Adam sees when he looks in the mirror and why he's so interested in finding alternates. You can even see the resemblances at this time stamp between them. 1:07:59
Kinda disappointed that matpat didnt hear thatcher part with headphones it's a lot scarier that way
He also didn't seem to notice the correlation Thatchers alternate made calling Thatcher a "scared boy with a gun" and the circled window of what seems to be the room where Mark Heathcliff fell prey to the alternates
Currently sitting around 37:10 - maybe the new element of computer/AI/face generator/etc is the alternates adapting to the phasing out of tvs in response to them. We saw in earlier videos a particular scene where a voice in a video (instructional/industrial looking video?) was speaking to the viewer saying that they just have to think of what they want in a best friend and their perfect best friend will appear (insinuation being that the alternates are formed based on the original’s thoughts/imagination/etc) - the elongated alternate appears not long after and kills someone. What if the programme - which asks for details and input to create an imagining of a new/ideal face - is gathering data in a similar way? The old videos can’t be seen anymore since they’re tv videos but computers have remained and are becoming more advanced and reaching even more people. The alternates are adapting.
I think Wendigoon mentioned this in his video, but the alternate with the vertically stretched face looks very similar to Adam's pictures he uploaded to face studio
It doesn’t matter if it matt and mirror matt, ash and Matt or all three I love their witty banter.
interesting point about adam's behaivor about jonnah's death adam as a kid didn't respond at all to the stress test right? maybe he never really got better at responding to stress?
There's something very calming about hearing the sound of the heater at the beginning. This was a great watch, I was really looking forward to it. It's definitely developing its own unique art style which is pretty cool.
I totally understand Matt's excitement for something popular/famous coming from your area, I love close to the place where they filmed High school musical and have been to where they filmed and while it's magical, the best feeling is watching it and being like "that's my area!! That's where I'm from!"
Theory, the intruder is impersonating Adam's father, since the 2 look similar but he's not copying Adam since he's been like for a long time, maybe Adam's father to comfort the baby Adam, also Adam could been a alternate that feels human emotion but is deep down, an alternate
We don't know if Jude Murray is dead though?
The face studio 2 thing (I think) is explaining how Alternates clone people. Those who use face studio get put into the database, so 6 can access their faces so he can clone and replace them in the real world. Gabriel cannot do this. (He 'wakes' more distorted Alternates, such as Preacher, in vol 2. he says this) You can also warp your face, so that would explain Type 3 (from the T.H.I.N.K. Principle), which have warped and distorted faces.
Also
The "17 years ago, might I add." thing was from when the Alternate attacks started happening more often, when Adam was kidnapped as a baby, when 6 [Aka Stanley] went rogue. So, yes, I think that's when Ruth was killed, as the one who called Thatcher saying there was a man in corner and his wife was hurt was Adam's father. Ruth and Thatcher arrived right after he called the police; In exhibition, the police officer who chickened out was presumably the one Ruth was talking about when she called Thatcher. They seemed to have arrived after the camera was taken away and after 6 was tampering with Lynn's body. Thatcher was determined to solve the case(s) even after 17 years because Ruth died working on that case.
Bing Crosby is a perfect example of one of the warm comforting voices from the older christmas songs. White Christmas is one of my favorite christmas songs to this day.
Remember Mat - I dont all the way, but if the early call between Obrien and Dave was 2 years ago, something couldve happened that we have yet to learn too. (and after 2 years could be when Obrien had already been taken). 'Eve' couldve found more of those tapes or something too. Could be out of order though. Sure the call with thatcher wasnt earlier too? He did throw the cover on the tv - WHICH IS HAVE EVELIN FOUND IT...
I've been waiting for this for awhile FINALLY
These are all my observations and interpretations of the video and the series so far
1. I think alternates are shape-shifting creatures( that could be aliens )who were mistaken for angels by early man while somewhere in the 1900s they were recognized for what they actually are and they probably can also faze in and out of reality or maybe just the greater angelic ones can. and that's where MAD disorder comes in and I think MAD disorder is how we see Dave die in the video (he clawed his eyes out).
2. And for the intruder it seems that he is related to everything technology based in the series (except possibly face studio 2)
3. the point where we see a woman hung in the video (Adam's mom)I think we're watching from the prospective of Adam after the intruder got done remaking him and we're thrown out beside the TV then we were looking around getting our bearings and then we see our mom hanging and then a glitching face even though it seems like we are in the prospective of a person .because the intruder has just remade us. and we're encountering this glitch because our mom's death is messing with us and that's how its being expressed in our robotic mind as a scary glitch. And that's also why Adam has a cold demeanor towards stuff like Jonah's death. And is very non empathetic and tested zero on the stress assessment test. Sorry Matt but I'm afraid I beat you to the robot kid theory
4.I'm not sure yet if the intruder and the angelic alternates are opposing forces. Because face studio 2 seems like a ploy for the alternates to get people that they can mimic and could be what the red text meant by ''records''as in digital records. But it has a strong emphasis on being a digital technology. which has always been a thing associated with the intruder. So maybe the intruder and the angelic alternates are on the same side. And what the intruder does to kids is how new alternates are made. and Adam is a new alternate that doesn't know he is an alternate. or maybe ALL alternates start out not knowing that they're alternates. and have to get told by the intruder. the same way Adam was. but If that was true. where did the angelic alternates that have been around since before the intruder come from?
Idk put in the replies if you have anything significant more to add
@TheGreatNexnap when did he reveal that?
Do you think Adam was made by The Intruder sleeping with his mother? (Iykyk)
XD
If aliens change our world view perceprion thaen anything we know and figure out would still be false
The alternates is probably like what mat said. They are some kind of satan. My theory is... I think this story is about what happened if lucifer and their followers win when they were going against god.
Since they said "We have their prayers" like they don't have it before and it meant it used to be gods thing. So god is not in control anymore the corrupted angels are. If they are actually aliens. That doesn't really made sense since they appear since the creation of adam and eve or it could be that the aliens created humans.
That's just my theory of mandela catalogue so I'm not sure myself.
41:24 A thriving society of followers of the truth, a mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom.
I held my breath, and waited for it to stop. I was too scared to leave my bedroom-room-room-room-room-room-room-room.
PS: I don't know what he says at the end.
My wife and I just went to see TSO live and it was amazing! Their show is unimaginable!
As MatPat was commentating on the interesting aspects of the avatar in Face Studio 2 claiming "digital technology has come and saved us all" around 37:54, his voice started glitching and my computer crashed. I know this was a complete coincidence, but sitting in the dark with my blanket while watching this at night I was suddenly terrified.
im sat here with the fireplace video running on my big screen as i watch this .............i feel very called out right now
"ItsameWario" (Kyle DeNigris) is the VA for Boozoo in The Walten Files! Also, Firecat Productions assisted with Shipwrecked 64, a game you DEFINITELY should play. The scares in that are top notch. I'm assuming they assisted with those amazing scenes of the Intruder speaking, because they have that same unsettling vibe as the hidden monsters from Shipwrecked.
I really love Mandela's new style. It is both beautifully composed and very unsettling. As you said, that newfound strangeness works highly in its favor.
3:00 it’s odd that people forget that Christmas has always been spooky, it’s always had story’s of ghosts and monsters, people used to gather around a toasty fire and tell ghost story’s but in modern years that tradition has fallen off as advertises just try to sell you more and more junk you don’t really need or want but someone in the family will end up buying anyway.
Really? How so? I mean...I get Halloween, that one's obvious but like...Christmas is about celebrating generosity. Both Jesus and St. Nicholas were incredibly generous and self-sacrificing..never heard of the scary story thing...doesn't..make 100% sense with the holiday...
@@BuckerydogSchmuckeryDog *the most wonderful time of the year lyrics* "There will be scary ghost stories and tales of the glories of christmases long long ago"
0:56 It is actually the week of christmas cheer, but technically before the week of Christmas day.
nothing like catching up to gtlive while sick =-= thanks for keeping me company guys
I'm sick too. I hope you feel better soon ^^
@@JessicaLovesFoxes hehe thanks :> i hope u feel better soon too!! :33
I think the face in face studio 2 said "A thriving society of followers of the true savior. A mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom. I held my breath and waited for it to stop, I was too scared to face the truth." What does that mean?
The Brian Setzer Orchestra is always my go to for Christmas music. Give me that sweet big band jam.
I haven't finished the video yet, so I don't know if matt realized it, but 17 years ago was when thatcher basically started the case about the alternates. this takes place in 2009 and 17 years before that, 1992 was the year that Mark Heathcliff died
I think the face studio is (might be) a way for the alternates to get more faces to copy
1:32 - Heater ASMR. I feel warmer already Ash. Thank you.
I have a wee theory on the purpose of face studio
I think it to be a method alternates can use to easily and stealthily mimic people's faces and identities, it asks for a full head image And personal data, both of which can be used together to imitate another person. Rather than finding prey and spying on them in person to copy their face and identity, alternates can simply access this database it speaks of, mold their face into that of their target, copy their voice and identity, and boom! Thanks to it, alternates wouldn't have to risk being spotted early, or risk being harmed in any way, and they would have easy access to their personal data like address, family, maybe even their fears and regrets for good measure! and as to how it was made, i assume it to be either a particularly tech savvy alternate, or a human working with them (either under threat of replacement (and death) via alternate or out of greed maybe) who also works in the tech industry.
i am now 100% convinced the next channel is gonna be purple and be music theory just by the way mat said it at 10:40
I don’t think the shepherd is a person. Following the shepherd just means being a sheep, being ignorant
6:40 I SCREAMED SO MUCH WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE GOOD CHRISTMAS MUSIC AAAA
I’m so glad other people are talking about it
witty banter basically just a podcast now and im all for it
FINALLY another person who recognizes TSO for how epic it really is... I've been missing it listening to Christmas music lately, but my dad always makes sure to play it when we're in the car
REALLY hope you pick up little nightmares 2 again Mat :( that demo gameplay felt like you didn't wanna give the game a chance.. a big shame cause besides a few uncomfortable moments with the controls, this game has so so so much to give and im sure you'd be fascinated with the story if you gave it a try!!! Thank you for the amazing content as always, really hope you get to see this!!
I’m so incredibly unsettled by the alternate of thatcher, because I used to have nightmares about people who looked pretty much exactly like that.
I think by “the stage was set for you. But you still followed the shepherd” he meant that Dave had his path set as the video store owner, but he still chose to turn to religion
i think the prophet is adam, since he started the paranormal society that was investigating and publishing info about alternates, right? and that whole last section is about adam. and it seems like maybe what's going on is that the intruder is possessing adam, as it seemed the face speaking to him at the end was a weird animated version of his own face like thatcher, but he isn't actually in control of adam. i think he's essentially chosen adam for some reason to be his vessel and he wants to take over but it seems like sarah is preventing that, as sarah is able to interrupt him with her voicemail and as it goes on the intruder fades out and disappears, like sarah is tying adam to his humanity and keeping him from being used. and i think the deception might be the thought that jonah is dead when he's really not, because we don't actually have any reason to believe jonah has died. he runs away, and then gabriel starts taunting him through the gps saying he left adam to die and telling him to open his eyes, then we skip ahead a couple hours and jonah is parked on the side of the road, gets out, and then vomits or something. he doesn't wreck and we don't see, nor is it implied, that anything actually happened to him. of course, it could also be that jonah is the prophet and gabriel tricked him into thinking that adam is dead. adam seems much more protag-y though, so i kinda doubt that.
18:59 the forbidden ASMR
I know i’m super late but i’m so glad to hear someone talk about mannheim Steamroller christmas music, that was a huge part of my childhood growing up. My grandma would always play that with traditional christmas carols
Maybe the alternate has 3 different iterations because its supposed to be the holy trinity, father, son and holy ghost? I dunno, just seems like he is the stand in for god in this universe
I used to bartend at an Arena and always worked the TSO Christmas Concert every year. It was the highlight of my year, something I always looked forward to working there. They are honestly so amazing. And it's so great to see you reacting to AH again! Been waiting a few weeks to see the continuation of this one haha. Keep up the amazing work that you are doing.
P.S. I watch every one of your videos the day they come out and have been binge watching all your older ones in my downtime. You're honestly my favorite UA-camr. Congratulations on everything you've accomplished and I can't wait to see what this new adventure ahead of us brings.
Nothing like bringing Dan to the couch to make him understand the power and the need for Witty Banter. Today we won, comrades. Today we won.
I know there’s a specific name for the alternate with the ‘scream’ mask face, it’s name is Preacher because it is an overdriven assimilation of a nun. BUT the photos in 1:11:35 remind me of the face we see in this section 29:57. The being here doesn’t look like “Preacher”, it looks exactly like an alternate took Adams Face Studio pics and tried to assimilate his looks, but like his friend Preacher, it was overdriven rather than flawed or perfect assimilation.
I hope this makes sense but just so the important things come through -
- the alternate we see whispering all the time is called Preacher
- we are told that it’s name is Preacher on the TMC Wiki page, we are told that it has assimilated a nun in the video titled ‘interlude’
- it is pretty much confirmed that alternates have created Face Studio to con people into unknowingly giving alternates their profile and voice (if they choose to send videos of what they want their face studio character to say).
- the photo Adam has sent to the Face Studio (1:11:35), looks nothing like his actual face. It looks too skinny and long
- therefore I think that the face we see in 29:57 looks more like an overdriven version of Adam’s Face Studio picture more than it looks like the Preacher.
It's wild seeing how different Mat's theories are compared to Wendigoon.
There's a Roblox horror game called Isle, it's really unique and well made. I doubt every part of the lore has been solved yet due to the amount of small details within the game. On top of that, there are over 60 badges (achievements) that follow the same format, for example: The Predator, The Tomb, The Encounter, and The Stranger, to name a few. I recommend playing with others as other people are the real threat, it have trust issues now. The AI are also really smart. The atmosphere really hits.
finally holy hell was I ever just waiting for part 2
Incredible how you can link those informations, but also Incredible how you can be ablovious to informations in front of your eyes pat
Wendigoon has definitely figured this series out
At this point the witty banter is just watching Matt and Ash's relationship evolve into a long lasting friendship. Literally watching them realize everything pure they have in common.
A little disappointing but the since with alternate Thatcher switching between sides is supposed to pan with headphones in and it sounds so good because of the voice acting. When I first heard it it was almost like he was there next to my ear, I could legitimately almost feel his breath on my ear. It's unfortunate they couldn't react to it for the first time with that experience.
Something I think matpat didn't see is that the intruder video call was the face studio's recreation of adam. Notice the hood and overall "face" shape.
Was waiting for this! so excited!
They play that orchestra song ALL THE TIME on our Pittsburgh Christmas station. That song and the feed the world one. Shockingly