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honestly Ics should win the combo round. Pretty much 99% kills you see from them are from crazy combos that are true and the funniest thing is that you can be rewarded for getting hit cause you can get a hit from the second ic and start a desync combo like that. Rob at least has to find an opening for combo, ics just get those sometimes randomly and on different ocasions and can kill you or at least do major damage to have their kill combos ready for later.
@@Bj-vd2tp I don't know, I mean, even though robs combos are objectively better, he has less combo options, whether icies have more different combos. Who but WaDi can tell you rob can live off neutral alone while icies MUST have an insane combo game to win consistently.
I agree. As someone who has to regularly fight an ICs main, they literally only have their combos. If they couldn’t desync, they would be a bottom 5 character
@@springsmartson7669 But the question isn't "which one relies on their combos the most", it's "which one has the BEST combos". Many top tiers are good enough that they don't NEED their combos, but they still have better combo games than many low tiers.
Not only would ICs be gutter trash without their combo game...they are still pretty terrible WITH their combo game. Simply put: If their combo game were better than R.O.B.'s, you'd see them winning tournaments. R.O.B. wins, FREE.
@@kyurei4478 honestly the answer should he objectively Kazuya. Icies are close but they're dependent on you having both Climbers. Kazuya has death combos at any percent off like 4 different moves.
and at low level he really is. I think he's fairly easy on mid level too. Just high / top level are different with a lot of characters and Sora is one of those.
More of this superlative game please, it's both hilarious with people like Coney and Marss arguing why Min Min sucks at driving worse than Lucina but also super insightful with Wadi and Esam debating ROB's vs Pika's combo game
poscasts are so boring bro dont make them waste there precious time on talking abt there boring shit just let them challenge each other in random creative fun mini games to be competitive in
@@gorelock4527 pika is 100% more reliant on combos. The prompt was "character with the best combo game" though and there is nothing better than 0->deaths AND big damage while doing so, so R.O.B is a valid choice
As a sephiroth main I’m glad you acknowledge him as hard because honestly I feel like I always have to outplay around my opponents and when sephiroth I feel like none of my wins are “free” thank you Esam for speaking my language lol
These superlative videos are always entertaining. To vote on that last topic- I’d probably go Pika, since both Icies and ROB have the asterisks of needing Nana and Gyro for their combo games to be untapped.
I think a rule that could make this game even more fun, is if you got a point for ever card you put down, that way it discourages using your best one first and winning instantly (which they're not doing for the sake of fun of course, but that would be the optimal strategy)
how on earth did esam win that last one? Pika is nothing without combos, and kill confirms and the same is true for icy climbers but to an even crazier degree. At the end of the day rob still has insane neutral, and his combos while being able to kill you are significantly harder to pull off all of them than just getting free percent with Pika, then with ice climbers their combos are way harder but are just insta kills every time if performed correctly. ROB is just kind of the in between of both sides of the coin when there are two extremes that somehow lost to him.
The issue is the wording of the question. "Best combo game" left so much room for interpretation that Esam just kinda decided that consistency trumps all and debated from that standpoint, while the other two didn't have a clear direction they were going for with their explanations. Literally got gaslighted into "admitting" R.O.B. has better combos than possibly the two coolest and most combo oriented characters in the game.
? Rob combos both kill at 0 and/or rack up big damage. Not quite sure why pika combos are "better/easier" at getting free percent. They even talked about pika combos being DI reliant and dropping a combo (which is pretty easy) will only deal 25% or smth. while rob deals double the stuff with just up airs. They argued about best/most effective combos not "character most reliant on their combos".
This format always suffers from not having a neuteal party, the way it's presented you only one person to agree with you and Wadi will obviously will give the point to ROB.
I'd say the Combo Game of Fox vs Falcon probably balances out to be even. Like Fox does more damage but Falcon has far more kill moves and kills much earlier than Fox. So they average out to about the same.
To make the rules actually encourage the type of gameplay that the content creators are seemingly suggested to lean towards, there needs to be an incentive for keeping a round going on as long as possible. That encourages people to just play the next best character they have and not just slam down their absolute best option. A basic way would be to make it so when the round ends the winner gets a point for every character played or every “rotation” of everyone playing a character.
i think corrin is pretty cool. At lest they have kind of long combos and tones of good ways to things call out. Their neutral can just be "lol sword", but the advantage state has a lot of cool stuff
I get that they're looking at this from the perspective of competitive play, but people who beat Kirby planet robobot know how cool he was during the finale of that game. But his general appeal is cute over cool, so I don't blame them for not thinking that.
Honestly I don’t think ROB should have won the argument over which character has the best combo game. The Pandas are undoubtably more skillful and knowledgeable than me, but frankly if you ask why Pikachu is top tier, it’s mostly because of his combos. Are they hard? Yes. But combos are what makes Pikachu a threat. “Best combo game” isn’t limited to which character has the best kill confirms or easiest combos, it’s looking at the character’s combos at the highest level possible. Rob’s combos are good, but to me a good “combo game” is literally having combos that last so long that you can’t even play the game and you’re constantly in the blender. That’s what Pikachu likes to do. I can also see an argument for Ice Climbers because they’re probably in the top 3 for best combos, but against a good player landing them is a very different story. Personally I think the automatic winners of the final round would have been Kazuya or Steve, they can literally do whatever they want and get insane percent or a kill depending on the skill level and scenario. The final argument was much more interesting seeing as none of them had those two, but I don’t see a world where ROB wins the title of “best combo game.” They didn’t even directly mention his zero-to-death.
Because Covid is still around and it's coming into flu season.... sooo generally if you're out and about, having a mask on is an easy to apply form of protection that will have some effect. Better question: Why... do... you... care? Guy wants to wear a mask, so what? Doubt you were asking why other foreign countries were wearing masks before the politicization of covid and masking mandates, but... that's over and... you still got shit to say? ESAM living rent free ya'll heads and it isn't even close.
I feel like a good way of viewing the combo game round is by viewing as if all they had is combos, would they be good, or do they have a game plan that’s not combos. Based on that, I think it’s obv ice climbers
Super casual in this game: They named two of my favorite characters back to back as the least cool characters... At least they didn't say R.O.B. or Pokemon Trainer.
OK I wanna speak up for PT. Not that I want to say that she is the hardest to play, but she is not as easy to play as everyone wants to say. Like yeah, PT is brain dead, with every pkmn you got your moves that your going to spam because they are good, but usually because the rest are not good. You spam Bair o fair with ivy because, are you gonna use ftilt? Dtilt? No. Are you gonna spam neutral b, up smash, up tilt? No, upair (and because it's still like the best up air). Also, because of that every pkmn by its owns has limited tools, so even if they are good by their own, you can exploit those weakness, and generally PT has slow moves, even if they don't look as. All of ivy moves are really good because they last a long time, but that also gives you more time to punish. Zard is slow, no wonders here. Squirtle I would say it's actually not as fast as people think. He's kind of floaty so good combos with squirtle are harder to do than with other fast spaced character, and shielding squirtle aerials that are a big part of his neutral you will mostly be fine. What k want to say is, that PT is more brain dead than easy, because you can do the same every time and be good with that, but to actually do good, you have to work with the same stuff every time, but at least those tools are good to work by their own, and you can still try different game plans with the same character, and switching character archetype
esam saying "even the kirby games are lame" is how you know this dude is malding edit: seeing his cards he def would have lost but bro kirby superstar goes DUMMY
Esam waa thinking about skill ceilings rather than skill floors. But the prompt was easiest to do well with. Not easiest to perfect or something like that
Pika should’ve won combo round especially against rob. Rob has stray hits that kill at like 80 and a spike that can kill at like 20 at ledge, he doesn’t need combos. I mean wadi is a good example of this, he gets like 4 hit combos then just hits a side b randomly offstage and he’s one of the best robs lol. But you get hit by one pika bair and you know you gonna be waiting for 20 minutes to get out.
Yeah, ESAM may be right about Ridley, but the truth is, he's only barely lighter than Samus. Still kind of a heavyweight, but not that much of a heavyweight
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DISCLAIMER: I DON'T BELIEVE PIKACHU HAS WORSE COMBO GAME THAN ROB I JUST NEEDED TO WIN THE GAME OKAY
It's another metagame
LMAOOOOOOO
This guy, youre grimey but I respect that you argued yourself a win
Nah, we knew what you meant. You're just spreading Porpaganda
Wadi talking about iceclimbers completely changed his persona. He went from the funny dumb guy to a formal college professor
I mean, he is a professional for a reason, there had to be some sense of seriousness somewhere lmao
I really like how Esam and Wadi kept complimenting Marss on how cool his zss is. Ngl his zss is amazing
honestly Ics should win the combo round. Pretty much 99% kills you see from them are from crazy combos that are true and the funniest thing is that you can be rewarded for getting hit cause you can get a hit from the second ic and start a desync combo like that. Rob at least has to find an opening for combo, ics just get those sometimes randomly and on different ocasions and can kill you or at least do major damage to have their kill combos ready for later.
Rob gets a combo out of literally every move + all of it is pretty safe/covers a wide space. Icies have to somewhat commit.
@@Bj-vd2tp I don't know, I mean, even though robs combos are objectively better, he has less combo options, whether icies have more different combos.
Who but WaDi can tell you rob can live off neutral alone while icies MUST have an insane combo game to win consistently.
I agree. As someone who has to regularly fight an ICs main, they literally only have their combos. If they couldn’t desync, they would be a bottom 5 character
@@springsmartson7669 But the question isn't "which one relies on their combos the most", it's "which one has the BEST combos". Many top tiers are good enough that they don't NEED their combos, but they still have better combo games than many low tiers.
Not only would ICs be gutter trash without their combo game...they are still pretty terrible WITH their combo game. Simply put: If their combo game were better than R.O.B.'s, you'd see them winning tournaments. R.O.B. wins, FREE.
Daaaaamn, can't believe ROB won the combo one over pikachu and icies. Esam stole that one lmao
Well, it depends on what exactly they were arguing imo. Character most reliant on combos? Definitely icies/pika. Easiest/most effective combos? R.O.B
Depends what they mean by "best" combos.
@@kyurei4478 honestly the answer should he objectively Kazuya. Icies are close but they're dependent on you having both Climbers. Kazuya has death combos at any percent off like 4 different moves.
@@vick7868 they didn't have Kazuya, did you even watch the video lol
@@gunslinger9786 I was scrolling the comments while watching
ESAM has argued for years that pikachu is the best character in the game because of combo potential and robbed Marss anyway
Esam is the master of being ratioed, like there was an entire challenge based on how bad his takes are
They really aren't that bad
Entire challenge based on how confusing his takes out of context are. Even marss agreed almost every time after the character got revealed.
that quiz was so funny
"two truths and a lie"
Please bring back that quizz it was hilarous
WaDi starting to sound like Esam with the ice climbers explanation
Esam saying Kirby then WaDi saying shut yo ass up, got me laughing so much 😂
Esam convincing them Rob out combos Pika was his real win here.
Esam saying the Kirby games are lame is my Joker arc
I mean, they aren't exciting really, but they are really fun and cute :)
they're like the animal crossing of platformers
@@ellachino4799 except the newest mainline kirby game was actually good
Super turn your brain off series of games. They're fun and cute but that's it.
@@muzuchama Nah it was more of the same, loved it when it came out but in retrospect it's really nothing amazing
Didn't Sakurai said that he intended for Sora to be a quick and easy to pick up character since he came at the very end of the releases?
and at low level he really is. I think he's fairly easy on mid level too. Just high / top level are different with a lot of characters and Sora is one of those.
He said easy to use. Hard to master
More of this superlative game please, it's both hilarious with people like Coney and Marss arguing why Min Min sucks at driving worse than Lucina but also super insightful with Wadi and Esam debating ROB's vs Pika's combo game
Pretty crazy how hard panda threw. Had a good thing going
Y’all 3 should do a podcast, I’d watch & listen.
Bro this podcast would go crazy
100%
Pandas argue. I can see it.
poscasts are so boring bro dont make them waste there precious time on talking abt there boring shit just let them challenge each other in random creative fun mini games to be competitive in
@@camo658 damn bro did a podcast steal your girl or somethin
Can't believe I just heard that Pikachu has a worse combo game than Rob.
The argument is solid though, and is a good reason why there are so many high level Robs compared to like 2 Pikas
I guess though, but when I think of Rob I think more about his insane neutral then combo game.
@@gorelock4527 pika is 100% more reliant on combos. The prompt was "character with the best combo game" though and there is nothing better than 0->deaths AND big damage while doing so, so R.O.B is a valid choice
@@Bj-vd2tp ROB 0 to deaths aren't consistently hit if you are fighting a competent opponent.
Pika has a more complex combo tree. I feel like that should’ve been enough to answer the question
As a sephiroth main I’m glad you acknowledge him as hard because honestly I feel like I always have to outplay around my opponents and when sephiroth I feel like none of my wins are “free” thank you Esam for speaking my language lol
Richter down-airing a pikmin makes him the coolest character in the game I will not take criticism
These superlative videos are always entertaining. To vote on that last topic- I’d probably go Pika, since both Icies and ROB have the asterisks of needing Nana and Gyro for their combo games to be untapped.
ESAM saying kirby games are lame makes me wanna go to the gym, get fit and prove him wrong.
Weird how esam just doesn't look towards WaDi, especially when he's explaining things
thanks for more of these three together, panda.
OH COME ON Bowser is the definition of cool outside of Smash!
esam got some incredibly hot takes bruh, like marss and wadi were scratching their heads afterwards. even wadi was all like "what?!" at some of em
"Kirby games are lame" Is the biggest lie i've Heard in a long time
2:11 "Largest sword of them all"
Kirby: Am I a joke to you?
8:04 Yeah villagers recovery is soooo amazing definitely not bad. It goes far so its good.
This videos are always so entertaining
I would love to see more videos like this. It was really entertaining and interesting to see the top players’ opinions on opinion based prompts
Marss: cloud has the biggest sword of them all
Kirby’s ultra sword
Esam, you don't need that crap on your face anymore
This is undoubtedly the power trio of panda smash for me
"She's got birds for parents!"
You got a point.
Marss throwing at the end lmao, if he'd agreed with Wadi it would've gone to differential but he just gave Esam the win.
I love wadi so much man he’s so naturally funny
Marss’ winner mentality showing after he lost that second round. Homie does not like L’s
I think a rule that could make this game even more fun, is if you got a point for ever card you put down, that way it discourages using your best one first and winning instantly (which they're not doing for the sake of fun of course, but that would be the optimal strategy)
Esam wearing a kn95 is very on brand. Also respect for being safe.
holy shit i could listen to wadi talk about anything the way he started to talk about icies for probably hours
how on earth did esam win that last one? Pika is nothing without combos, and kill confirms and the same is true for icy climbers but to an even crazier degree. At the end of the day rob still has insane neutral, and his combos while being able to kill you are significantly harder to pull off all of them than just getting free percent with Pika, then with ice climbers their combos are way harder but are just insta kills every time if performed correctly. ROB is just kind of the in between of both sides of the coin when there are two extremes that somehow lost to him.
The issue is the wording of the question. "Best combo game" left so much room for interpretation that Esam just kinda decided that consistency trumps all and debated from that standpoint, while the other two didn't have a clear direction they were going for with their explanations. Literally got gaslighted into "admitting" R.O.B. has better combos than possibly the two coolest and most combo oriented characters in the game.
? Rob combos both kill at 0 and/or rack up big damage. Not quite sure why pika combos are "better/easier" at getting free percent. They even talked about pika combos being DI reliant and dropping a combo (which is pretty easy) will only deal 25% or smth. while rob deals double the stuff with just up airs.
They argued about best/most effective combos not "character most reliant on their combos".
This format always suffers from not having a neuteal party, the way it's presented you only one person to agree with you and Wadi will obviously will give the point to ROB.
Yeah I think pika and ice climbers were both better options than rob
bro esam should become a lawyer
9:18 PREACH MARSS PREACH
Ngl I think both Pika and Icies are better answers than R.O.B.
Wadi trying to justify Bowser being hype is golden😂
At the level I play, which is very low, Pika combos are way more common than ROB combos, so I agree with Marss on the last one
Wadi at 14:27 mocking ESAM is so funny 😂
Honestly, they should do this in teams and attempt to sway a judge.
I'd say the Combo Game of Fox vs Falcon probably balances out to be even. Like Fox does more damage but Falcon has far more kill moves and kills much earlier than Fox. So they average out to about the same.
a simple game turned to be a "which player Is less carried" and that's funny
5:13 I'm sorry but Sephiroth hair Kirby is as cool as it gets!
I fucking love Wadi lol his expressions 😂
Wadi and Marss looks so disoriented in the intro haha
What meme is Marss talking about at 1:49?
Cloud is as cool as cool gets.
11:34 my man ESAM forgot dash attack isn't safe on shield and is bad in neutral lol.
To make the rules actually encourage the type of gameplay that the content creators are seemingly suggested to lean towards, there needs to be an incentive for keeping a round going on as long as possible. That encourages people to just play the next best character they have and not just slam down their absolute best option.
A basic way would be to make it so when the round ends the winner gets a point for every character played or every “rotation” of everyone playing a character.
i think corrin is pretty cool. At lest they have kind of long combos and tones of good ways to things call out. Their neutral can just be "lol sword", but the advantage state has a lot of cool stuff
Shadic is the coolest Corrin to watch imo
This is the biggest exercise that you literally can just crap out character propaganda
I get that they're looking at this from the perspective of competitive play, but people who beat Kirby planet robobot know how cool he was during the finale of that game. But his general appeal is cute over cool, so I don't blame them for not thinking that.
My favorite series is back :D
At least Belmont has sauce. Corrin has up air..
Wadi got the short end of the stick with his options
Marss got robbed on Pika.
Agreed, I think Icies has a better case of beating Pikas combo game than Rob does
Honestly I don’t think ROB should have won the argument over which character has the best combo game. The Pandas are undoubtably more skillful and knowledgeable than me, but frankly if you ask why Pikachu is top tier, it’s mostly because of his combos. Are they hard? Yes. But combos are what makes Pikachu a threat. “Best combo game” isn’t limited to which character has the best kill confirms or easiest combos, it’s looking at the character’s combos at the highest level possible. Rob’s combos are good, but to me a good “combo game” is literally having combos that last so long that you can’t even play the game and you’re constantly in the blender. That’s what Pikachu likes to do. I can also see an argument for Ice Climbers because they’re probably in the top 3 for best combos, but against a good player landing them is a very different story. Personally I think the automatic winners of the final round would have been Kazuya or Steve, they can literally do whatever they want and get insane percent or a kill depending on the skill level and scenario. The final argument was much more interesting seeing as none of them had those two, but I don’t see a world where ROB wins the title of “best combo game.” They didn’t even directly mention his zero-to-death.
Take away every combo from Ice Climbers and from ROB. Which character's gameplay changes the most?
Same with pika. Rob is without a doubt the least reliant on combos out of those 3. I mean most top robs don't do his best combos and still win
This is the best panda series please do more!
Esam here tryharding his life to win the rob combo game debate
Is esam sick? What's with the mask in a room with just a few others in end 2022
Because Covid is still around and it's coming into flu season.... sooo generally if you're out and about, having a mask on is an easy to apply form of protection that will have some effect. Better question: Why... do... you... care?
Guy wants to wear a mask, so what? Doubt you were asking why other foreign countries were wearing masks before the politicization of covid and masking mandates, but... that's over and... you still got shit to say? ESAM living rent free ya'll heads and it isn't even close.
Was wondering the same thing.
I half-expected WaDi to pull out Kazuya for the combo round
I feel like a good way of viewing the combo game round is by viewing as if all they had is combos, would they be good, or do they have a game plan that’s not combos. Based on that, I think it’s obv ice climbers
That wasn't the question though
4:40 I feel attacked 😂
It’s crazy that ROB won the combos round when Fox was previously mentioned…
Marss got robbed, no pun intended 😅
No lol, he threw he didn't get robbed.
Don't gaslight me into thinking my character is easy marss, you'll destroy my sense of self worth
Marss let Esam change the subject. He shouldn’t have let him make it about who’s combos were easier, even Esam didn’t think ROB’s was better.
Super casual in this game: They named two of my favorite characters back to back as the least cool characters... At least they didn't say R.O.B. or Pokemon Trainer.
4:46 REMIX!!! 😂😂😂
Someone just learned about the Looney Tunes: Space Race soundtrack it feels like xD
Thank you for this week’s debate hour
I just heard Marss unironically complement ZSS and I am very confused.
OK I wanna speak up for PT. Not that I want to say that she is the hardest to play, but she is not as easy to play as everyone wants to say. Like yeah, PT is brain dead, with every pkmn you got your moves that your going to spam because they are good, but usually because the rest are not good. You spam Bair o fair with ivy because, are you gonna use ftilt? Dtilt? No. Are you gonna spam neutral b, up smash, up tilt? No, upair (and because it's still like the best up air). Also, because of that every pkmn by its owns has limited tools, so even if they are good by their own, you can exploit those weakness, and generally PT has slow moves, even if they don't look as. All of ivy moves are really good because they last a long time, but that also gives you more time to punish. Zard is slow, no wonders here. Squirtle I would say it's actually not as fast as people think. He's kind of floaty so good combos with squirtle are harder to do than with other fast spaced character, and shielding squirtle aerials that are a big part of his neutral you will mostly be fine. What k want to say is, that PT is more brain dead than easy, because you can do the same every time and be good with that, but to actually do good, you have to work with the same stuff every time, but at least those tools are good to work by their own, and you can still try different game plans with the same character, and switching character archetype
esam saying "even the kirby games are lame" is how you know this dude is malding
edit: seeing his cards he def would have lost but bro kirby superstar goes DUMMY
17:45 YEA NO ICECLIMBERS kills so much more off combos then R.O.B
Esam is so rigged
Being reliant on combos does not mean your combo game is better.
What was that castlevania meme marss was talking about
normally me and ESAM are beefing but he’s been in the clear for about 2 months
Pacman has the best combos in the game
Esam waa thinking about skill ceilings rather than skill floors. But the prompt was easiest to do well with. Not easiest to perfect or something like that
As a Greninja and PT main: PT is SUPER easy and Greninja is easy if you know that dash attack and down tilt don't always carry
I'd have to disagree with Esam saying the character with a flaming chainsaw as a weapon is boring
WaDi would have won with Mario because he's played by Chris-san, who's so cool!
Esam even admitted he knew he disagreed with his argument from the beginning lmao he won with a white flag up from the get go.
Pika should’ve won combo round especially against rob. Rob has stray hits that kill at like 80 and a spike that can kill at like 20 at ledge, he doesn’t need combos. I mean wadi is a good example of this, he gets like 4 hit combos then just hits a side b randomly offstage and he’s one of the best robs lol. But you get hit by one pika bair and you know you gonna be waiting for 20 minutes to get out.
marss said zss is not hard bruh
Pikachu is the better combo character and the fact that rob won over pikachu is actually insane
Marss got robbed on that pika answer no troll
2:10 you jumped it up so high
Naitosharp and Shoe have hype ZSS plays
Yeah, ESAM may be right about Ridley, but the truth is, he's only barely lighter than Samus. Still kind of a heavyweight, but not that much of a heavyweight