The Science of Sound Pt.2: Expertly Tuned | B&O Sound System in the 2021 Ford Bronco | Bronco Nation
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The custom-created and tailored to Bronco B&O sound system was made for more: an immersive and pinpointed experience, lossless playback, and power without distortion. In our second video, we dive into the experience gained from the additional four speakers. Watch as Alec covers how to use the system as an owner and tune it to your liking, as well as goes over its support of lossless audio. Additionally, Kyle shows off the reference room, where trained listeners start when benchmarking a vehicle -- it’s not just the quality of the hardware that makes the B&O system an upgrade, but also the expertise of the tuning that comes with it. Last, take in Micah experiencing the B&O sound system in a 2021 Bronco for the first time ever … and hear what he thinks of it.
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I've heard it's not amazing but gets much better when you turn surround on. I can say the Sony in my 2016 Superduty was pretty dang good but the B&O in the newest Superduty is awesome. They design each individual vehicle system. The Bronco certainly has more impediments to good sound than a standard truck cabin.
It's terrible, they messed up the sound in this truck. I'm opting for an upgrade which will cost 3-4k. It would have been better if they just did it right or charged for an upgrade.
@@TheVancouverJatt I’ve put in ~$4k in parts, ignoring labor costs, to make the right sound in my B&O equipped ‘22 Bronco. The B&O system is meh. Popping in speakers and a sub without DSP sounds meh with sparkle. Went with 7 Focal speakers and a 12” JL sub. Left the factory 8” to play 80-150hz (they rattle at 45-65hz). Setting up DSP sucks because B&O made the decision to run the B&O amp to only 4 of the 7 speakers (technically 5 of 8 if you count the stock sub). So the head unit drives the front center and two rear speakers. Why god, why… We have to install a modified harness under the head unit and run the three speaker wires back to the DSP because of this. Gods speed my bronco brother. I’m finally thrilled with the sound and kept all stock functionality, but it cost me days of frustration. I’m curious what you decided to do for yours.
Unfortunately even if I wanted this sound system I don’t want to get everything that’s in the Lux bundle so I will probably take my chances with aftermarket.
I think the Bronco B&O system is pretty damn good for the type of vehicle it is. Not sure what the complaints are about. Once you set the balance to the rear a bit, adjust the EQ and turn on surround, it sounds much better.
My Bronco is in production this week, I am getting excited- I'd love to hear more about your B&O stereo, I'm very psyched!
Replace the cheap ass Vietnamese speakers with anything more advanced than a paper cup and a taunt string, and you will understand what all the complaints are about. The difference is that extreme between the speakers supplied and even low end aftermarket speakers.
I replaced the left, right, and center dash speakers with 50w RMS rated two-way speakers, the left and right kick panel speakers with 80w RMS rated two-way speakers, and left and right pod speakers with 50w RMS rated two-way speakers. I didn't replace the sub-woofer.
It's not necessary to even spend a ton of money on the speakers, as the factory speakers are that bad.
Cos people LOVE to complain
@@mpeugeot Did you change only speakers? No change from the stock amplifier? I am debating on what I am going to do with the system
@@kaijorgensen6940 yes, only speakers so far, but still a major improvement over the stock B&O.
Bring back anti matter blue
Wow. the consensus everywhere about the B&O system is that is is pretty mediocre.
Thanks for the video. You seem like a super nice guy.
Just a theory folks…
Bronco Raptor owner here… Yes this is Good enough system for most folks that don’t really rock it out. But if you’re buying a bronco you typically are that person. And Ford has to know that. Which leads me to believe that the reasons why we can’t have blowout systems like we used to get from car makers are thanks to the lawyers and insurance folks . As a big target if car makers provided the system that folks like myself wanted, they would probably get sued by somebody for hearing loss. I’ve noticed this with earbuds. Especially Apples AirPods. Which I think there’s laws concerning decibel levels with earbuds Which would lead me to believe that large car companies most likely when they are negotiating with car audio companies there are certain volume limits, and how much highs and lows are allowed per research done and enforced by the lawyers.
Just a theory though so nothing for anyone to flame off about
BTW … the lack of good high table is horrible in my Bronco
What do you suggest about the “blown speaker” sound coming from the front driver side speakers? It’s been a major complaint among new owners.
I am a trained listener. I have designed and built recording studio control rooms and done quite a bit of stage/auditorium sound design in addition to car stereo design over the years. I listened to the base model sound system and the sound quality was below average for OEM base systems. Then I listened to the B and O in the Bronco...back to back with a B and O system in a Lamborghini Urus, and was of course underwhelmed by the Bronco system. HOWEVER, it's important to realize that there are a lot of limitations to the design possibilities when you consider the loss of important speaker locations, along with the other acoustic aspects of such an open vehicle. They only touch on this in the video...and a more in-depth version would probably have a lot of disappointment from the sound designers as to how little they had to work with. So I am saying the the mediocre system is due to the lack of possibilities for what you can accomplish with a factory system in a Bronco. (I mention the Urus because it that more traditional vehicle design, I know what B and O can accomplish.) It's still an improvement from the base model system to the trained ear. One last note: if you listen to the B and O system in a Bronco without the engine running, it will have a bit more distortion than when it is running...because the alternator isn't providing the full voltage that the vehicle is designed to run at. So be sure to have the Bronco running, if you're listening critically.
I have the badlands lux package. And a love the sound. I think you have teste and then comment
Would have been nice to see a portion of the review/demo of the system with top and doors off.
That dude has some awesome hair!
Right?!
Cool you brought in Jack White to explain the system.
I have a workmate that purchased a Badlands with B&O system. Literally one of the worst “upgraded” systems that I have heard in a car, struck or SUV! It was so underwhelming that I questioned whether or not there was a malfunction in the stereo!
He was so disappointed that he scheduled an appointment with a local shop to strip the system out and replace it!
My OB has the High package with the standard 6 crappy speakers and WHEN it arrives i plan to do the same!
I am in the same boat. My 2022 with B&O is garbage and very little bass. My 2006 cooper s Harmon Kardon system blew it away. The Luxe package was a total waste of money IMO. Trying to figure out what to do with my stereo.
@@velvetmidget - The Bronco6G Forum has many suggestions and solutions related to this topic and has produced significant audio upgrades for DIY’ers! Just replacing the speakers without adding amps will net you a system worth listening to or you can go all out and get a custom install!
i found that the speakers need time to be broken in just like the rest of the truck
I know I am late to the party, but having been in several Broncos with the B&O system, I can honestly say, it's terrible. The bass is just weak and only punchy, it never booms, and it often gets distorted at mid-volume with bass heavy music.
A good sound system will have nice crisp highs, mids set a bit lower for proper separation, and booming bass with kick-ass woofers and a good subwoofer. The B&O system in the Bronco sounds flat, especially as compared to the premium Alpine system in the Wrangler. On paper, the eyes will pop a 'B&O' over 'Alpine', but the sound from the B&O just disappoints. I am kind of surprised that B&O would put their name on this system.
The only way to salvage this upgrade would be to add a powerful amplified bass tube to do all of the heavy bass lifting, cut the B&O bass down on the head unit, then leave the rest (mids/highs) to the stock speakers.
I've seen several reviews where people have said the B&O system in the Bronco is mediocre at best and some that said it sucks. These reviews are worthless to me because all I can ascertain from such brevity is that the person doesn't like it or thinks it's mediocre for some unexplained reason. When somebody puts so little effort into explaining why they have the opinion they do I wonder if they even have the requisite knowledge of sound systems to offer a useful opinion. I would expect if they did they would offer a much more detailed review that might have some value to the reader.
Audio reviews are the most pointless to spend time with as they're the most subjective. Really need to evaluate for yourself, and there's not much getting around that.
Replace the cheap ass Vietnamese speakers with anything more advanced than a paper cup and a taunt string, and you will understand what all the complaints are about. The difference is that extreme between the speakers supplied and even low end aftermarket speakers.
I replaced the left, right, and center dash speakers with 50w RMS rated two-way speakers, the left and right kick panel speakers with 80w RMS rated two-way speakers, and left and right pod speakers with 50w RMS rated two-way speakers. I didn't replace the sub-woofer.
It's not necessary to even spend a ton of money on the speakers, as the factory speakers are that bad.
Hopefully that answers your question as to what the problem is.
One of the tradeoffs of car system installs is always soundproofing vs weight; more soundproofing will improve response and clarity, but adds weight to the car. I've ordered a Bronco with the B&O system, but wonder if it's still worth looking into adding sound proofing or batting behind speakers to improve the sound, or is the system as purchased optimized for the hardware that's included?
Well considering that the B&O has no real sound deadening materials, I think that you already know the right answer.
It's a decent system but definitely leaves more to be desired. I got the B&O system hoping it was good enough not to have to add aftermarket speakers but after a week I'm strongly considering replacing the factory speakers.
It is the worst "upgraded" system I have ever heard
LOL the 17 speaker Harmon Kardon in a my BMW, blows that away.
Let's see your BMW off road.
My 2006 Mini Cooper s with Harmon Kardon was way better. The B&O is horrible. Tried all the advice and settings. Really you can’t make 25w paper speakers sound good.
Absolutely 0 technical information about the system. Nicely done BN.
LOL, great hardware? Tell us the specs!
Better with headphones on
If anyone can chime in for us poor base system folks, please do! I am so surprised how it is even possible to have such a thin six-speaker system. I have replaced the front and rear 4"s and it made a slight difference (more clarity), however, it is so rough and I just can't take the lack of bass in the base system (Base by definition has so many connotations and for the stock stereo, one really applies). I don't want to go under the seats with some lamearse combo deal (not to mention, there is no room to do so, regardless). I also don't want a big box in the rear with my already smallish 2 door boot. I don't want to stack amps and preamps along the firewall inside or out. One idea I had is to place woofers in the 6.75 in the kick panels since they just don't seem to throw any bass, but I would need to amp those to work and seal the camber well, correct? Any ideas, suggestions? Could I get a similar setup to tuck in the stock B&O sub and amp combo deal in the factory back left panel? Of course, that ear panel from Ford is prob costly if you can even get it. Folks on Bronco Nation are prob tired of hearing me complain, but I am calling on audio folks to chime in with any and ideas. I know it may seem foolish, but I even ordered a set of 4" woofers to try out figuring what the hell is there to lose at this point? Could I get a hold of the B&O stock sum and amp combo panel from Ford and fab my own more powerful factory-looking, in-panel sub or will my simply crummy base head unit fold under the pressure? All and any suggestions are appreciated... really appreciated
Damn these comments make me not want to spend the extra money on the Lux package.
There's a lot more to the Lux package than the B&O sound system. The Lux package is an expensive upgrade from the high package ($2295) so if you don't want all the other stuff like adaptive cruise control, evasive steering assist, Sync 4 with built-in nav, etc, then I wouldn't bother with it. Also, read the comments carefully to try to discern if they are saying anything useful. There are typically a lot crybabies who comment on reviews like this. I regularly see the same kinds of comments in Amazon reviews that aren't worth the space they take up.
Replace the cheap ass Vietnamese speakers with anything more advanced than a paper cup and a taunt string, and you will understand what all the complaints are about. The difference is that extreme between the speakers supplied and even low end aftermarket speakers.
I replaced the left, right, and center dash speakers with 50w RMS rated two-way speakers, the left and right kick panel speakers with 80w RMS rated two-way speakers, and left and right pod speakers with 50w RMS rated two-way speakers. I didn't replace the sub-woofer.
It's not necessary to even spend a ton of money on the speakers, as the factory speakers are that bad. The B&O is not bad once the speakers are replaced.
What in the world is the purpose of this? I'm assuming that Ford and B&O are feeling some heat from the general opinions of almost every review I've read of the Bronco sound system that pretty much says they are mediocre at best so they are trying to make the case that the system just needs to be tuned. The music even sounds poor in the video despite Mike trying desperately to make the case that it's incredible.
It’s just like listening to exhaust clips on UA-cam. All depends on what it was recorded with and what speakers you are listening to from the video. Way to many variables and sound distortion to know what it actually sounds like in person. My cobra sounds very different in video as it does in person
Judging a sound system recorded on a camera uploaded to UA-cam which was then heard through a phone or computer isn't really giving it a fair shake... Audio quality cannot be transmitted via online video.
I started listening to the part where Micah was playing his own music in the Bronco on my laptop and there was basically no base to speak of and no spatial aspect to the sound. When I switched to watching it on my TV with my sound bar and sub woofer on it sounded very different. I could really feel the base and spatial aspect to the sound. If I bothered to hook up my rear speakers and listened to it in surround mode I expect the spatial aspect would improve further.
Many of the short-comings are easily fixed by replacing the cheap 25w RMS 4" speakers with decent 50w RMS two-way 4" speakers (l/r/c dash and l/r pod speakers), and replacing the kick panel speakers with 80-100w RMS 6.5" two-way speakers. Huge difference in base even without touching the sub-woofer.
@@mpeugeotany advice for fixing the rattling from the sub?
What good are these videos of Ford won’t even give me a Bronco? Can’t get a call back as promised and I have an open case number.
Ok what is loss Liss
So new to the whole B&O. Is this system basically just more speakers that are all as bad as the non B&O?
The B&O rear pod speakers look like the same speakers that are in the front of the Base 6 speaker system. Ford Part number M2DT-18808-AB 25w 4Ohm made in Vietnam. I yanked them out yesterday. The Front speakers are Ford Part number M2DT-18808-DC and appear to be slightly higher spec speakers in the front left and right positions.
I could not source the OEM in Vietnam, but the two models were M5UXN (rear) and GPB6P (front).
Thanks for the info Mpeugot. See you on ATN as well.
@@mpeugeot were you upgrading a B&O system?
@@brada1997 yes, because it was no better than an average stock system in most other cars. The speakers in the B&O are anything but premium. I have an F-150 xl with stock speakers and a $60 head unit that sounds better. The B&O speakers are rated for 25w at 4 Ohms and they are not up to going past mid volume, have horrible low end response, and leave you with a feeling like it's missing something. Replacing just 4 of the speakers was a huge difference.
@@brada1997 I finally replaced all but the sub-woofer and I am pretty satisfied with the sound at this point. It is still an underpowered system that lacks adjustment, but it sounds decent with the EQ flat, so I am going to accept the limitations of the system. It actually does sound reasonably good now and does not distort significantly.
22, BL, Sas, Lux owner here... The B&O system is garbage, or at least the sub is!! Having the bass on 5 with volume at 17, the damn thing clips all the time!!! It also rattled like all hell when I 1st got it.. had sound mats put in.. that fixed the noise.. now I gotta spend more $ & time, fixing or replacing the turd woofer
This system is perfectly tuned? LMFAO. Seriously, stop. Is it the cheap 25w speakers made in Vietnam that sets this system apart?
The factory speakers are garbage, especially the speakers in the left and right front and rear pods. They are JUNK.
Thankfully, the head unit is not as crappy as the speakers, it's still not amazing, but with some upgraded speakers, it's far better already - I used 4 Morel 100mm 2 way coax speakers (2 Maximo Ultra 402 - front and 2 Maximo 4's rear). I am willing to bet that the other speakers are junk too and would be well served by being replaced.
If this system is so good why is it hated so much? Why is the aftermarket in overdrive to develop solutions for it? I think Ford needs to reconsider who they select to develop the next sound system in the Bronco perhaps BOSE!
This is the worst premium audio upgrade I have ever heard. It’s complete junk. Ford should be ashamed.
Still sounds tiny. , so no sound dreading in the rear speakers.
Chose Lux package due to the B&O sound system. In other Fords it is great, but in my Bronco it is awful. This is a sales pitch. Go aftermarket. Sound leveling is also awful in the system, wish I could turn it off.
Total cheeks of a soundsystem. Currently working on the b&o and it does not impress when driving the vehicle in an open environment. Thats what the aftermarket world is for :)
Try investing in a tripod or gimbal when making videos.
You know
Why you cappin
Also they used the word “amazing” and this sound is not even in the same district of amazing. You can not feel anything in your chest.
I have this system and it is NOT with the price paid. The sound is better than base version sound, but it is not even near great. This is the worst system I have ever had on a vehicle just sitting there without the road noise. I’m so disappointed and have nothing good to say. Planning on going after market upgrades following some bronco6g posts. Again, not worth the Lux package. Save money and invest in after market.
Años there is not a lot of customization on sound at all. It’s like a child menu of limited options. It’s pathetic. The guy in here said “cranks the base” and there is no cranking anything. It is like an old radio without many options. The more I use the sound system the lower my score goes for rating. I might have given it a 4/10 when comparing to base sound system, however when I think of the price I paid for Lux, I’m down to 2/10 for this fluffed up emptynsound.
Very mediocre. My 2023 has the B&O system and I would really have a hard time saying its any better than my sons NON B&O with the factory subwoofer.
The B&O system was Garbage. I replace every speaker and sub with Audison
The B&O system was a major letdown, what a scam.
It sucks