So your not going to discuss what a colossal disaster Boris Johnson and Theresa May were? It wasn't Truss, it was 14 years of incompetence, scandal, and weirdness.
LibDems only increased their vote share by 1.3%. Their 7x multiplication of seats is a result of tactical voting, and those votes being cast in specific target seats, instead of spread nationwide.
I wish this was true but it isn't. Liberal Democrats took more seats from the Torys but Reform recieved more votes nationally. Lib Dems recieved 12.2% where as Reform recieved 14.3%. Fact. Again I wish it wasn't true.
Austerity didn't balance the books. It was failed political ideology. Our national debt to GDP ratio has sky rocketed since the policies were implemented and all our services have been eroded to the point that nothing works. At the same time, Tory insiders have lined their own pockets and one of our PM's bet against the UK when Brexit was put to a referendum. At every stage, the Tories have demonstrated in very practical terms that the only thing that matters is the inward advantages of political positioning and that the UK and it's people are a vessel for wealth extraction. Con-men who use divisive politics to divide and rule
@@Agtsmirnoff oooookaaaay.. How many years of austerity did you just willfully ignore? Covid was in the 2020's.. National debt has been climbing constantly since the Tories came to power and hit the UK with their ideology. Ten years at the very least is the gap between the start of the last Tory government and when covid hit. If you honestly believe defending tory policy for all that time is a reasonable position to take, then no one will ever be able to get through to you. The ridiculous spin is underpinning your comments not mine.
@@Agtsmirnoff Debt has been rising the whole time the Tories have been in power. Wage stagnation is a form of debt, so is inflating house prices. You don't understand anything about economics.
Well said, I'm happy to respect people with opposing political beliefs but the tories weren't even that - they literally have no principles outside of increasing their own personal wealth.
Note; the last conservative prime minister, Rishi Sunak, was a city trader who bet against the uk in the 2008 crash and he personally made millions from it.
The answer is in the title "Conservative Rule". Politicians are voted in by the people to SERVE the people. We did not vote them in so they can RULE over us, which is what the Conservatives have done for the last 14 years.
Immigration would be less of a perceived problem if the Tories had not blamed immigrants for their own decisions not to invest in housing, schools, the NHS, etc.
The tories never blamed immigrants for their investment decisions. They criticized the record levels of migration( conveniently leaving out that they were responsible for it) but that is not the same thing as criticizing migrants on a personal level or claiming that migrants literally and willingly sabotaged the economy. Moreover the tories repeatedly increased funding for education and the NHS but they failed to decentralize or democratize it while wasting vast sums on private contractors.
💯 agreed. The Tories love to cut taxes and public services then blame someone else for the reason why there's not much service. Typical smears and deflection on their parts
Not a single thing about the collapse of trust in the Tories after multiple lies and scandals? Not even the slightest mention of how Johnson destroyed the standard in politics to an all time low having a monumental effect? This reporting misses one of the most important factors in why the UK rejected the Tories so decisively.
If an American wants to know.just how bad the UK is, look at it like this: If you remove one city, London, from the equation England has worse economic and poverty outcomes than the lowest performing state in the union Mississippi. All the while Mississippi has the GPD of less than $120bn and the UK has a GPD of over $2 trillion
@@Agtsmirnoff That they can produce 5% of the goods and still take care of themselves better than the UK can because all the GDP of the UK is shovelled into billionaires pockets.
The Liberal Democrats did remarkably well because of widespread and highly targetted tactical voting, namely Labour voters who leant their votes to the Lib Dem candidate in their constituencies where they know Labour couldn't win in order to get the Tory candidate out and vice versa. You could almost say that Labour and Lib Dem votes were interchangeable depending on where you live as the parties are very close on policy and they were both seen as a vehicle for getting the Tories out. I think the "low" Labour vote share has been over-interpreted by the UK right-wing press in an attempt to try and give Conservatives some hope that they may be able to quickly recover. Voters guided by various online tactical voting campaigns used the First Past The Post system against the Tories in this election to a devastating effect.
Tory mismanagement has driven a 20% increase in prices (a mix of ideological austerity damaging the economy, Brexit damaging trade, and Truss' unfunded tax cuts which increased our brewing costs by 8%) resulting in a terrible 'cost of living crisis' - people are having to choose between heating their house or eating.
US listeners, hearing the difficulties faced by the National Health Service, may not be aware that the Tories have claimed to be increasing funding, year on year, but this is 'Hollywood Accounting'. In reality, NHS treatments have been outsourced to private companies, who are allowed to cosplay as 'NHS' workers, at multiple times what real NHS staff cost. That has allowed the Tory government to launder public money *through* the NHS, to companies owned by their families and friends. They also labelled the £billions embezzled by Boris Johnson, for nonexistent covid protections, as 'NHS spending', meaning the public were paying to be robbed, and the Tories wanted credit and thanks for robbing them. This Tory mismanagement, as well as providing cover for Tory corruption, enables them to misrepresent publicly run services as inefficient, and justify the sell off of more public assets. Remember these facts, when the GOP argue against publicly owned healthcare. The bad examples they will cite are examples of right wing criminality, not left wing ineffectiveness.
Anything to avoid the fact that all of these politicians have personal motivation to continue as such. They have all doubled their net worth since 2009
@@Agtsmirnoff The wealthy destroyed the country, not the immigrants. Crime is high because the Tories gutted the police force and prison system and refused to invest a penny into deprived areas. Nobody wants to start a business in a high crime area so the only way to make money in a deprived area is benefits and crime. It would happen to every area in the UK eventually under Tory rule.
@@Agtsmirnoff Oh no, boats full of innocent people fleeing war and persecution in hope of a better life that will no way will impact my own. What will we do?!
@@shayZero Don't get your hopes up. The Tories were incompetent managers but don't expect Starmer to change their economic policies. The fact of the matter is there is no money. Austerity is the new normal. It was never an evil Tory plot
Yea, Liz Truss, but I'm still staggered at the idea of Boris Johnson as PM, never mind the lettuce... Thank god its over, however good or bad Labour will be...
The notion of the UK vote not having been for the left is somewhat simple and maybe americanized. There has always been diverse views of "the left", and in Britain The New Left was and still is to the left, thw difference is between ideology inside Labour. It is, and has been the same in nordic and Finnish politics. The left is not homogenic and never has been. BTW, in France the differences are between parties on the left.
I think to explain the election you have to also take into account how the left voted tactically to dump this lot . Usually we split the left vote and the Tories romp in through the middle as they did in Ian Duncan Smith's seat this time. Also worth a mention along with Reforms role in splitting the right vote an exit pole of Reform voters showed only one third would have voted Tory, so joining up with Reform may only get the Tories another one and a half million votes and inevitably some would go to the left.
It is hard to narrow the failure of the Conservatives down to just a few points. Consider the lack of hope many young people have especially those who do not go on to university. We have young men in particular who think a life of crime is their only hope. Crime in the UK is completely out of control. Theresa May as Home Secretary allowed Cameron to cut police numbers with the result that we now have some of he most brazen criminals who having seen people in the US looting shops, think they can get away with the same here. Additionally and uniquely to Britain we have scores of young men on mopeds and motorized bicycles stealing phones off people in broad daylight; plus stabbings on a scale unimaginable. Additionally crimes against women including serving police officers killing women is a significant and worrisome issue. Virtually all of our public services are poor value for money and some are simply close to collapse. NHS Dentistry is a flag bearer. If you work and are between 18 and 65 you have to go private as joining a practice is nigh on impossible and appointments are few and far between leading some to pull their own teeth out. You would think they would be ashamed of the state of it all but they are as brazen as the criminals. The electorate have literally being gullible if not plain old stupid. In 2016 Boris Johnson lied and the electorate swallowed it giving us Brexit. Taking back control of our borders simply swapped white immigrants for brown ones plus hoardes of others. Despite the knowledge that Brexit was a disaster Johnson insisted that he would get it done and in 2019 the electorate gave him a massive majority; cue a complete mess of an exit deal. Simply; the Tories failed. Britain is failing. For more see HS2, corporate tax, Chris Grayling etc., A complete shambles.
Yeah, its nothing to do with open borders, population explosion. Yeah, nothing to do with waiting lists. The NHS is free at the point of use coupled with the population. How do you plan for that.
I really don't understand how even intelligent British commentators still cannot understand that their international role has changed fundamentally: They are not in the rooms where things are discussed, so it's pretty difficult for them to lead from the corridor pressing once ear to the door.
It should be note the Labour Party only won 34% of the vote… yet on 2/3 of seats in Parliament. The reason for the massive win was because the conservative vote was split.
Eh, the Tories lost *some* seats due to Reform, but Labour also smashed the SNP and spread their vote more efficiently than under Corbyn, and the Lib Dems painted the South orange. Painting the results as just being the result of the right fracturing is incorrect.
The left/centre vote was even more split. From an ideological perspective, there was very little difference between Labour and the Lib Dems this election, given Labour pitched to the centre. There was also little ideological difference between Labour and the SNP, except for the obvious topic of Scottish Independence. The Greens are to the left of Labour. Labour + Lib Dems + SNP + Greens = 54.8% of the vote. Conservative + Reform = 38% Reform seriously damaged the Conservatives, but there _was_ a clear left-of-centre majority of vote share.
Americans shouldn't discuss foreign politics. No1 The outgoing Tories were hardly small Govt. For example, they gave the UK the highest tax burden in history. In fact the new Labour Govt will be passing even more market friendly reforms. No2 this result hardly signifies the British public shifting Left. Labour got their worst vote total in 20years and still won. The real story of this election was Tory voters either staying home or voting for Farage's far-Right populist party. This election was a thumbs down to incompetent management and Tory sleaze. It was nothing about policy. Starmer has a really short leash here. He'll find he doesn't have enough money to do much about anything. And when the British public find out that austerity is the new normal, and not just an evil Tory plot, I don't expect them to react well to a Labour party that lied to them all these years.
You missed out some bits of the "real story". The richest seats in England made a huge switch towards the Lib Dems (or even Greens). Tories have had a drubbing before - but were usually second in the seats they lost. This time they were as likely to be third or fourth. (((A very different election happened in Scotland - with an actual shift towards Labour from an equally Left of Centre party.))) Voters here proved to be more sophisticated than usual, with a lot of sensibly conducted tactical voting. Labour promised very little and stressed that what they did promise would be impossible without economic growth. If there's not enough growth, but people see that that was beyond Labour's control, they may well continue to shun the Right. Especially if the current cat fight between Braverman and Badenoch is to be the new norm among leaders within the Tory/Reform side of UK politics!!
This is a sound analysis expect Reform is the centre of centre right (more moderate than Thatcher, who is the embodiment of centre right), the tories are centre left, Labour Left, and greens Far Left.
@@-tom-8720 I've been around since long before Thatcher'screign and you're talking nonsense. But doubtless you know some other people who talk the same nonsense so enjoy being nonsensical together🙂
The primary political issue across the West is mass immigration. More specifically, whether opposing it (as most voters do) is allowable, or whether opposition is considered illegitimate.
Idiotic comment laden with disinformation. In a democracy, you're always allowed your opinion, but what you - and everybody else screaming "I'm not allowed my opinion !" - actually want is for everybody to *agree* with your opinion. That will simply never be the case precisely because different opinions are allowed in a democracy.
Opposing ANY government policy is allowable. Especially when it’s a policy that is literally destroying your country and making it an unrecognizable husk of what it was. Mass immigration and illegal migration is deliberately being used as a tool to destroy western countries.
In a democracy, opposition is always allowed - but you're not guaranteed that everyone will agree with a specific opinion, which is what some people are really after.
@@Nr4747 tell that to the media, academia, big tech, and every other institution that is actively attacking and censoring anyone who voices the slightest dissent.
Excellent talk and accurate. Same old story. Inadequate work skills and training for " English young prople" because Tory's hate sctual real work. And the working class. So bring in foreign labour. We had European skilled building type workers who did a superb job. Brexit treated them like rubbish and sent them home. Now cost of eating out etc has soared in London. European Doctots and Nurses have left. Alll replaced by Asian and African essentially Muslim immigrants whose own populations are soaring. This is an uunholy irreligious invasion that is going on with no solition in sight. Starmer had better watch out because despite how it dressed up he does not have majority support of the nation. And he had no money otther than oir money. And we the populaion have been screwed. Thank you for pointing out that ourside London we are no more than a Mississippi economy. We are getting worse and worse. Excellent summary your yalk.
1. Immigration. The fact they did not deal with illegal immigrants. 2. The fact the prevaricated and dragged their feet over BREXIT and DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE of brexit. 3. Sheer incompetence.
@@ChickenNugNugz2 There we go with the false anti brexit analogies. You've tried all this stuff for years. It won't work. The UK is out of the EU and we are NOT going to "rejoin" it. So stop wasting your time and mine.
Not with mass immigration as a factor tho the public will only continue to get angrier at this matter if left unchecked no matter what happens with the economy
@@-tom-8720 only because the media offer it as reason for everything being bad. Tories purposely left the issue to get worse so they had something to offer everyone as a reason for why things suck.
A populist is anyone who serves middle and working class voters . In other words all parties in liberal democracies act like populists wether they are sincere or not.
I don't actually know anyone that thinks replacing a Greek doctor with a Nigerian one is a wonderful thing. But there again i don't know anyone that thought having their freedom of movement removed was good either. What everyone in the conversation seems to have missed is that people weren't enthusiastically voting for Labour; most were voting tactically to get the tories out.
Brexit was only a shock to the silly people who didn't see it coming. I am a BREXIT voter and supporter. We Did NOT CUT TIES with the EU COUNTRIES. We HAVE a Tariff and quota free TCA with the EU. Our economy is doing BETTER than EU countries. This report is a LOAD OF TWADDLE.
Numbers don’t lie-look at them, people do even when they desperately try to convince others and themselves otherwise by writing words in capital letters😊
@@renataszyda5545 1. BREXIT was only a "shock" to people who did not anticipate that 52% of the people who cast a ballot would vote to end EU membership.
They weren’t really conservative, you couldn’t tell any difference between them and the Labour Party. big government, big spending, open borders for 14 years
We’ve had blue for the last four years, it’s been terrible. Endless migration and spending, inflation, degenerates, run the streets, crime wave, it’s been horrible.
That story washes among a few Reform activists but not anywhere else. The Far Left's story that Labour are Tories with a red tie will convince a few more (on their side). But most of us know that to run the UK parties have to find whatever is the current centre ground and currently that centre ground is somewhat to the Left of what the Tories have offered us since Cameron.
@@Kidderman2210 Liz Truss resigned because she was a poor communicator. She acted without letting people know what she was doing and they reacted badly.
@@Kidderman2210 So you think that taxing the hell out of everybody is a good thing. I can turn your statement around and weaponise it against you, too.
@@rebecca_noble Finance managers are of course people, but they weren't reacting to Truss's poor communication. They were reacting to the utter idiocy of what she tried to implement.
That makes no sense, Labour are very far to the left at this point, Starmer is literally a troskyist. Tories are all lefties too obviously that's why reform is popular in the first place.
@@-tom-8720 In my experience all the first-past-the-post systems, in which any third party is nothing but a vote-splitting spoiler, wind up with two right wing parties -- an extremist one and a slightly moderate one.
I'm Free I don't like to boast, but Communist as I am, I would be a better leader of the Tory Party than any of the touted candidates And I shall explain why! First of all, although I am of German-Jewish and Irish descent I possess a greater real affection for the English than Farage or Badenoch, of Priti Patel or Michael Gove. And I have affection for its culture, and even silly things such as afternoon tea, and the English Breakfast, and even its whimsy and incongruities. I love its landscapes, and its weather, and I love its institutions such as the MCC, and Wimbledon, and its natural life. I do not like hunting, but I can think of arguments in favour of it, better ones than Cameron has produced, and I love its diversity, and I love its literature and its language, one of the richest languages I know. , I have never heard a recent Tory Party politician mention any of that, just ideology of reaction. I love its traditions and I find that I have more in common with Methodist North of England, and the Chapel Traditions of Wales, and I have not a little sympathy with Ireland, and Scotland, which have been badly let down by Unionism. I have a love affair with the UK, and it is built on things you do not hear mentioned. The many different dialects, the interesting ways and expressions that are part of my experience, despite being away from it often, and loving France, and Germany and Italy. You only have to read some of the books which are so British, so totally an ineffably rooted in the experience of all of us. I could honour British Rail more than to sell it off, and the British Police, it is not that any of these are without faults but none the less they have generally a disposition to serve the public, and I admire the fact that they don't have guns. I love the British service uniforms, they are so totally without pomp, I admire its history although I am not impressed by slavery or colonies. There are memories, I love the BBC before it was subverted by Murdoch, the TUC, the eccentricity of this people, but you do not here about that. It is not that I would want no change, no reform, I would strengthen the Privy Council, I would want a Royal Family of the style of Princess Anne, who I adore. As for the incongruities, well if you have been in Science, then you get to know some people of all classes, and actually when you have something in common, there are no classes. The secretary of a Natural History Trust who was a Weaver, and the president who is a duke, and you would not know because their passion is Warblers, or you meet a former foreign secretary, and although we were initially expected to disagree, actually we shared a passion for opera, and cricket, and we forgot the accents, and we forgot the ideology and by the end of the week-end we were friends, and were I to meet him again, I know what I want to say to him. Something I forgot to mention. I recall driving on the Foss way on one of those summer days that English weather produces, and I recalled Ken Russell's film on Elgar and as the sound of the Introduction and Allegro for Strings recaptured the exhilaration of the English landscape a tractor came out of a farm driven by a Sikh, in a Turban, and true to the English nature I did not want to drive him away, I was just exhilarated by the contrasts, this diversity, that David Starkey denies, but it is there, and I want to conserve it, to cherish it, and that is what united those of us that Love England, as part of the UK, not as an enclave of nastiness and resentment and grievance but our all round eccentricity. But I do not hear that from these pretenders, these frauds, that ingratiate themselves with the worst. So if the Conservatives want a leader that can restore their fortunes, old as I am I think I could help and I offer myself, as a candidate. They won't have to worry about my age, or my Yorkshire accent, they won't have to worry if I prefer Beethoven to Delius, or prefer Thomas Mann to Patience Strong,. I took a German woman, one of the many that small men adore as goddess, because they are blonde, and have taste in dress, and... well never mind that is our business; but she said that no orchestra she knew could perform a program of Bizet, Haydn and Tchaikovski in one night and to justice to them all, as a British Orchestra, and she was delighted with even song in an English Cathedral. I took a Russian Colleague to the Barbican to see Turganev's 'A Month in the Country' and he said he had not seen a better production in any language as that. We are good ,actors, good musicians; a Lancashire girl was toast of Europe in the Post war years, but you don't hear of any that from the modern reactionaries, masquerading as Conservatives. They conserved nothing, they dismantled, eviscerated, it was not the immigrants, it was a an alien reactionary ideology that has damn near wrecked the country and almost destroyed the best of England. I want to repeat that what I find invidious in reactionaries is their caricature patriotism, their caricature of principle which when it is tested against behaviour is not only caricature but absurd and hypocritical and I return to that pedantic, strident Anne Widdicombe who storms out of the Anglican Church because she cannot worship her God, if a woman is the celebrant, [Her God, Lee's country, the possessive fear, the paranoia is obsessive, yes! An obsessive fear of reactionaries that pique themselves that their world, their church ,their country is exclusive of any other world or taste and must be defended or recovered come what may, but one wonder about their preciosity when the same woman that could not worship under say Lucy Winkett can join an outfit that endorses and is endorsed by a rapist and a Fraud to say the least, and I find that I do not want Anne's God, or Lee's country , at any price. I find I could not fight for that God or that country they want to protect or recover, and that is why Reform is for me beyond the Ethical Pale and those that succour it, or support it seem to me to be totally bereft of any principle to which I could subscribe and I could wish that none of my fellow country men were not so bereft either. So just call if you want a leader instead of a posture, and empty rhetoric and Ideology. As they say on that television show' I'm free'.
@@Agtsmirnoff ok question.? Off the 2 dementia candidates whom is more likely to protect your right to democracy in the future.....kinda who is better with the crayons
@@extrude22 sorry. You're wrong. " 5.8 percent The average annual salary for full-time workers in the United Kingdom was 34,963 British pounds in 2023. Compared with the previous year this represented an annual increase of 5.8 percent, one of the fastest annual earning growth rates since 2000."
So your not going to discuss what a colossal disaster Boris Johnson and Theresa May were? It wasn't Truss, it was 14 years of incompetence, scandal, and weirdness.
Break out the popcorn 🍿! It's it's going to become even bigger mess under Labor.
@@danliddiard I cannot fathom how it possibly could be worse.
And people still kept voting them in- power of the tory owned media is not to be underestimated
@@sommmeguyjust a troll or someone who believes the tory media
@@sommmeguy Imagination is constrained by experience. It will get worse, and then we'll be able to imagine that. Yay.
The conservatives lost more votes to Liberal Democrates then to reform ! Please focus on that!
LibDems only increased their vote share by 1.3%.
Their 7x multiplication of seats is a result of tactical voting, and those votes being cast in specific target seats, instead of spread nationwide.
I wish this was true but it isn't. Liberal Democrats took more seats from the Torys but Reform recieved more votes nationally. Lib Dems recieved 12.2% where as Reform recieved 14.3%. Fact. Again I wish it wasn't true.
No they didn't 😂😂😂
I'm a Brit, this is one of the best political assessments I've heard. Perhaps you have the advantage of the outsider looking on. Thanks
Austerity didn't balance the books. It was failed political ideology. Our national debt to GDP ratio has sky rocketed since the policies were implemented and all our services have been eroded to the point that nothing works. At the same time, Tory insiders have lined their own pockets and one of our PM's bet against the UK when Brexit was put to a referendum. At every stage, the Tories have demonstrated in very practical terms that the only thing that matters is the inward advantages of political positioning and that the UK and it's people are a vessel for wealth extraction. Con-men who use divisive politics to divide and rule
Debt mostly went up since COVID, nice try at spin
@@Agtsmirnoff oooookaaaay.. How many years of austerity did you just willfully ignore? Covid was in the 2020's.. National debt has been climbing constantly since the Tories came to power and hit the UK with their ideology. Ten years at the very least is the gap between the start of the last Tory government and when covid hit. If you honestly believe defending tory policy for all that time is a reasonable position to take, then no one will ever be able to get through to you. The ridiculous spin is underpinning your comments not mine.
@@Agtsmirnoff Debt has been rising the whole time the Tories have been in power. Wage stagnation is a form of debt, so is inflating house prices. You don't understand anything about economics.
Agtsmirnoff has to be a Russian bot with that name! Otherwise, just a trolololol
Well said, I'm happy to respect people with opposing political beliefs but the tories weren't even that - they literally have no principles outside of increasing their own personal wealth.
Note; the last conservative prime minister, Rishi Sunak, was a city trader who bet against the uk in the 2008 crash and he personally made millions from it.
This is such an accurate assessment of life in the UK . It is not the “world beating” country that the Conservatives would like us to believe.
The answer is in the title "Conservative Rule". Politicians are voted in by the people to SERVE the people. We did not vote them in so they can RULE over us, which is what the Conservatives have done for the last 14 years.
There was no conservative rule, the Tories became Hillary Clinton.
Immigration would be less of a perceived problem if the Tories had not blamed immigrants for their own decisions not to invest in housing, schools, the NHS, etc.
The tories never blamed immigrants for their investment decisions. They criticized the record levels of migration( conveniently leaving out that they were responsible for it) but that is not the same thing as criticizing migrants on a personal level or claiming that migrants literally and willingly sabotaged the economy.
Moreover the tories repeatedly increased funding for education and the NHS but they failed to decentralize or democratize it while wasting vast sums on private contractors.
@madelineantill1417 Its a huge problem, Cremieux has the IQ break down by group, the ones brought in will never pay for anything.
💯 agreed. The Tories love to cut taxes and public services then blame someone else for the reason why there's not much service. Typical smears and deflection on their parts
Not a single thing about the collapse of trust in the Tories after multiple lies and scandals? Not even the slightest mention of how Johnson destroyed the standard in politics to an all time low having a monumental effect? This reporting misses one of the most important factors in why the UK rejected the Tories so decisively.
If an American wants to know.just how bad the UK is, look at it like this:
If you remove one city, London, from the equation England has worse economic and poverty outcomes than the lowest performing state in the union Mississippi. All the while Mississippi has the GPD of less than $120bn and the UK has a GPD of over $2 trillion
What does their actual GDP have to do with the analysis?
Somebody missed their economics lessons in school@@Agtsmirnoff
@@Agtsmirnoff That they can produce 5% of the goods and still take care of themselves better than the UK can because all the GDP of the UK is shovelled into billionaires pockets.
115 billion, lowest GDP of any US state...
@@Agtsmirnoffthe point is to show the disparate percentage of money between London and the rest of the country
The Liberal Democrats did remarkably well because of widespread and highly targetted tactical voting, namely Labour voters who leant their votes to the Lib Dem candidate in their constituencies where they know Labour couldn't win in order to get the Tory candidate out and vice versa. You could almost say that Labour and Lib Dem votes were interchangeable depending on where you live as the parties are very close on policy and they were both seen as a vehicle for getting the Tories out. I think the "low" Labour vote share has been over-interpreted by the UK right-wing press in an attempt to try and give Conservatives some hope that they may be able to quickly recover. Voters guided by various online tactical voting campaigns used the First Past The Post system against the Tories in this election to a devastating effect.
Dont forget Partygate, when the Tories and Boris Johnson partied during lockdown, when all of us obeyed the lockdown rules
Tory mismanagement has driven a 20% increase in prices (a mix of ideological austerity damaging the economy, Brexit damaging trade, and Truss' unfunded tax cuts which increased our brewing costs by 8%) resulting in a terrible 'cost of living crisis' - people are having to choose between heating their house or eating.
No it's the constant printing of money that caused inflation. Austerity never happened. Truss has had really little to no effect on the country at all
US listeners, hearing the difficulties faced by the National Health Service, may not be aware that the Tories have claimed to be increasing funding, year on year, but this is 'Hollywood Accounting'.
In reality, NHS treatments have been outsourced to private companies, who are allowed to cosplay as 'NHS' workers, at multiple times what real NHS staff cost.
That has allowed the Tory government to launder public money *through* the NHS, to companies owned by their families and friends.
They also labelled the £billions embezzled by Boris Johnson, for nonexistent covid protections, as 'NHS spending', meaning the public were paying to be robbed, and the Tories wanted credit and thanks for robbing them.
This Tory mismanagement, as well as providing cover for Tory corruption, enables them to misrepresent publicly run services as inefficient, and justify the sell off of more public assets.
Remember these facts, when the GOP argue against publicly owned healthcare.
The bad examples they will cite are examples of right wing criminality, not left wing ineffectiveness.
The GOP are not Tories.
The government has gotten involved here and it is not good.
They are two different healthcare systems that both need reform.
Blaming immigrants is one of the oldest tricks in politics
Ended big-C Conservative rule...but not economically neo-liberal rule tho...which is why we're in this mess.
Anything to avoid the fact that all of these politicians have personal motivation to continue as such. They have all doubled their net worth since 2009
Blairite neo-liberal.
This past week has felt optimistic. Probably the first time since the Olympics ive felt hope in the U.K
You have hope 😂 the boats are on their way. You have no idea just how horrible the UK is about to become.
@@Agtsmirnoff The wealthy destroyed the country, not the immigrants. Crime is high because the Tories gutted the police force and prison system and refused to invest a penny into deprived areas. Nobody wants to start a business in a high crime area so the only way to make money in a deprived area is benefits and crime. It would happen to every area in the UK eventually under Tory rule.
@@Agtsmirnoff Oh no, boats full of innocent people fleeing war and persecution in hope of a better life that will no way will impact my own. What will we do?!
@@exucia669 Yeah, they already made it to France. It's nice. They should stay there.
@@shayZero Don't get your hopes up. The Tories were incompetent managers but don't expect Starmer to change their economic policies. The fact of the matter is there is no money. Austerity is the new normal. It was never an evil Tory plot
you miss a main point, the moral failures, partygate, sleaze, the electorate were disgusted.
Lots of us in the U.K feel as if we've woken up from a really weird dream, like how the fuck did that happen? Was Liz Truss really prime minister?
She did nothing wrong, the Bank of England conspired against her
Ill tell you how it happened- racists in the tory party
do not exist@@macflod
Yea, Liz Truss, but I'm still staggered at the idea of Boris Johnson as PM, never mind the lettuce... Thank god its over, however good or bad Labour will be...
The notion of the UK vote not having been for the left is somewhat simple and maybe americanized. There has always been diverse views of "the left", and in Britain The New Left was and still is to the left, thw difference is between ideology inside Labour. It is, and has been the same in nordic and Finnish politics. The left is not homogenic and never has been. BTW, in France the differences are between parties on the left.
One thing that did not get mentioned was Partygate, which is what really started the opinion poll slump for the Tories.
They didn’t really ended conservative rule when the current labour is the most right leaning it has been since the 90s
I think to explain the election you have to also take into account how the left voted tactically to dump this lot . Usually we split the left vote and the Tories romp in through the middle as they did in Ian Duncan Smith's seat this time. Also worth a mention along with Reforms role in splitting the right vote an exit pole of Reform voters showed only one third would have voted Tory, so joining up with Reform may only get the Tories another one and a half million votes and inevitably some would go to the left.
“The Labour Party performed very well” 😂 only to then mention the fact that Starmer’s Labour received less votes than they did under Corbyn.
It is hard to narrow the failure of the Conservatives down to just a few points.
Consider the lack of hope many young people have especially those who do not go on to university.
We have young men in particular who think a life of crime is their only hope.
Crime in the UK is completely out of control.
Theresa May as Home Secretary allowed Cameron to cut police numbers with the result that we now have some of he most brazen criminals who having seen people in the US looting shops, think they can get away with the same here.
Additionally and uniquely to Britain we have scores of young men on mopeds and motorized bicycles stealing phones off people in broad daylight; plus stabbings on a scale unimaginable.
Additionally crimes against women including serving police officers killing women is a significant and worrisome issue.
Virtually all of our public services are poor value for money and some are simply close to collapse.
NHS Dentistry is a flag bearer. If you work and are between 18 and 65 you have to go private as joining a practice is nigh on impossible and appointments are few and far between leading some to pull their own teeth out.
You would think they would be ashamed of the state of it all but they are as brazen as the criminals.
The electorate have literally being gullible if not plain old stupid.
In 2016 Boris Johnson lied and the electorate swallowed it giving us Brexit.
Taking back control of our borders simply swapped white immigrants for brown ones plus hoardes of others.
Despite the knowledge that Brexit was a disaster Johnson insisted that he would get it done and in 2019 the electorate gave him a massive majority; cue a complete mess of an exit deal.
Simply; the Tories failed. Britain is failing.
For more see HS2, corporate tax, Chris Grayling etc.,
A complete shambles.
Yeah, its nothing to do with open borders, population explosion. Yeah, nothing to do with waiting lists. The NHS is free at the point of use coupled with the population. How do you plan for that.
I really don't understand how even intelligent British commentators still cannot understand that their international role has changed fundamentally: They are not in the rooms where things are discussed, so it's pretty difficult for them to lead from the corridor pressing once ear to the door.
The UK has a seat on the UN Security Council, so they kind of are in the rooms.
It should be note the Labour Party only won 34% of the vote… yet on 2/3 of seats in Parliament. The reason for the massive win was because the conservative vote was split.
Not just that, but massive tactical voting to consolidate support on the left.
Eh, the Tories lost *some* seats due to Reform, but Labour also smashed the SNP and spread their vote more efficiently than under Corbyn, and the Lib Dems painted the South orange. Painting the results as just being the result of the right fracturing is incorrect.
The left/centre vote was even more split. From an ideological perspective, there was very little difference between Labour and the Lib Dems this election, given Labour pitched to the centre. There was also little ideological difference between Labour and the SNP, except for the obvious topic of Scottish Independence. The Greens are to the left of Labour.
Labour + Lib Dems + SNP + Greens = 54.8% of the vote.
Conservative + Reform = 38%
Reform seriously damaged the Conservatives, but there _was_ a clear left-of-centre majority of vote share.
Won fair and square.
@@merrymachiavelli2041thank you for the explanation.
What‘s this „hmmm“ from the host for? Kind of annoying…
That's their schtick on The Daily... all the hosts do it. Take a shot every time they go "hmmmmm..." :)
Americans shouldn't discuss foreign politics. No1 The outgoing Tories were hardly small Govt. For example, they gave the UK the highest tax burden in history. In fact the new Labour Govt will be passing even more market friendly reforms. No2 this result hardly signifies the British public shifting Left. Labour got their worst vote total in 20years and still won. The real story of this election was Tory voters either staying home or voting for Farage's far-Right populist party. This election was a thumbs down to incompetent management and Tory sleaze. It was nothing about policy.
Starmer has a really short leash here. He'll find he doesn't have enough money to do much about anything. And when the British public find out that austerity is the new normal, and not just an evil Tory plot, I don't expect them to react well to a Labour party that lied to them all these years.
You missed out some bits of the "real story".
The richest seats in England made a huge switch towards the Lib Dems (or even Greens). Tories have had a drubbing before - but were usually second in the seats they lost. This time they were as likely to be third or fourth.
(((A very different election happened in Scotland - with an actual shift towards Labour from an equally Left of Centre party.)))
Voters here proved to be more sophisticated than usual, with a lot of sensibly conducted tactical voting. Labour promised very little and stressed that what they did promise would be impossible without economic growth. If there's not enough growth, but people see that that was beyond Labour's control, they may well continue to shun the Right. Especially if the current cat fight between Braverman and Badenoch is to be the new norm among leaders within the Tory/Reform side of UK politics!!
This is a sound analysis expect Reform is the centre of centre right (more moderate than Thatcher, who is the embodiment of centre right), the tories are centre left, Labour Left, and greens Far Left.
@@-tom-8720 I've been around since long before Thatcher'screign and you're talking nonsense. But doubtless you know some other people who talk the same nonsense so enjoy being nonsensical together🙂
CENTER LEFT. No more cukoo bananas Far Left or Far Right. Please!
The centre left is the Tory party.
The primary political issue across the West is mass immigration. More specifically, whether opposing it (as most voters do) is allowable, or whether opposition is considered illegitimate.
Idiotic comment laden with disinformation. In a democracy, you're always allowed your opinion, but what you - and everybody else screaming "I'm not allowed my opinion !" - actually want is for everybody to *agree* with your opinion. That will simply never be the case precisely because different opinions are allowed in a democracy.
Opposing ANY government policy is allowable. Especially when it’s a policy that is literally destroying your country and making it an unrecognizable husk of what it was. Mass immigration and illegal migration is deliberately being used as a tool to destroy western countries.
No, it really isn't. The NHS in Britain, precarity and falling living standards all top the polls.
In a democracy, opposition is always allowed - but you're not guaranteed that everyone will agree with a specific opinion, which is what some people are really after.
@@Nr4747 tell that to the media, academia, big tech, and every other institution that is actively attacking and censoring anyone who voices the slightest dissent.
seats not votes
Its also the conservatives corruption, PPE scandals etc
All your premises are wrong.
Excellent talk and accurate. Same old story. Inadequate work skills and training for " English young prople" because Tory's hate sctual real work. And the working class. So bring in foreign labour. We had European skilled building type workers who did a superb job. Brexit treated them like rubbish and sent them home. Now cost of eating out etc has soared in London. European Doctots and Nurses have left. Alll replaced by Asian and African essentially Muslim immigrants whose own populations are soaring.
This is an uunholy irreligious invasion that is going on with no solition in sight.
Starmer had better watch out because despite how it dressed up he does not have majority support of the nation. And he had no money otther than oir money. And we the populaion have been screwed.
Thank you for pointing out that ourside London we are no more than a Mississippi economy. We are getting worse and worse.
Excellent summary your yalk.
1. Immigration. The fact they did not deal with illegal immigrants.
2. The fact the prevaricated and dragged their feet over BREXIT and DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE of brexit.
3. Sheer incompetence.
@@rebecca_noble take advantage of Brexit? That's an odd way of phrasing it.
Does a car crash victim "take advantage" of their amputation?
@@ChickenNugNugz2 shes clearly taking advantage of a traumatic brain injury
@@ChickenNugNugz2 There we go with the false anti brexit analogies. You've tried all this stuff for years. It won't work. The UK is out of the EU and we are NOT going to "rejoin" it. So stop wasting your time and mine.
@@rebecca_noble not rejoining it will make the UK a backwards poor country. Poor.
@@rebecca_noble We're not going to rejoin any time soon. But we're not going to forget who inflicted that loss on us. If you don't like that, tough.
To defeat populism all that needs to happen is people have to feel their lives are getting better, then the populists become nutters again
Not with mass immigration as a factor tho the public will only continue to get angrier at this matter if left unchecked no matter what happens with the economy
@@-tom-8720 only because the media offer it as reason for everything being bad. Tories purposely left the issue to get worse so they had something to offer everyone as a reason for why things suck.
A populist is anyone who serves middle and working class voters . In other words all parties in liberal democracies act like populists wether they are sincere or not.
They like seeing an Asian doctor in the hospital, but not down the pub or on the street.
No, they like neither…
I don't actually know anyone that thinks replacing a Greek doctor with a Nigerian one is a wonderful thing. But there again i don't know anyone that thought having their freedom of movement removed was good either.
What everyone in the conversation seems to have missed is that people weren't enthusiastically voting for Labour; most were voting tactically to get the tories out.
@@kabivose There are plenty saying that.
We prefer English doctors
@@chesterdonnelly1212 Good for you. There's not enough of them, and the ones you have feel underpaid.
Life expectancy for men in London is ten years more than in Liverpool.
Brexit was only a shock to the silly people who didn't see it coming. I am a BREXIT voter and supporter.
We Did NOT CUT TIES with the EU COUNTRIES. We HAVE a Tariff and quota free TCA with the EU. Our economy is doing BETTER than EU countries.
This report is a LOAD OF TWADDLE.
Numbers don’t lie-look at them, people do even when they desperately try to convince others and themselves otherwise by writing words in capital letters😊
@@renataszyda5545 I can EMPHASISE any way I _want._ So stop telling me what to do. You must know I'm going to totally ingnore you anyway.
@@renataszyda5545
1. BREXIT was only a "shock" to people who did not anticipate that 52% of the people who cast a ballot would vote to end EU membership.
@@renataszyda5545 2. We have NOT, repeat, NOT, "cut ties" with EU countries. That is absolute NONSENSE.
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3. We have a tariff and quota free TCA with the EU and we are actually trading with the EU.
They weren’t really conservative, you couldn’t tell any difference between them and the Labour Party. big government, big spending, open borders for 14 years
@Agtsmirnoff I could tell the difference(s) although I concede that you lack this ability.
@@crose7412 what difference?
@@Agtsmirnoff When you watched Prime Minister's Questions, did you ever see the two parties agree about anything?
@@crose7412 actions speak louder than words, and in actions, They are pretty much the same.
@@Agtsmirnoff "Pretty much" means not exactly therefore there are differences.
America needs to do the same VOTE BLUE to bring back Decency, Honesty, and Integrity to the American Politics by Voting out All Republican’s.
Democrats doing all they can currently to basically hand the presidency to someone who hates democracy and the USA
We’ve had blue for the last four years, it’s been terrible. Endless migration and spending, inflation, degenerates, run the streets, crime wave, it’s been horrible.
Exactly the opposite of what you said
We are already "Blue", so clearly that's hasn't worked.
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Because the Tories were the Labour party with a blue tie. The voters figured it out and punished them. - Thanks for listening and goodbye.
That story washes among a few Reform activists but not anywhere else. The Far Left's story that Labour are Tories with a red tie will convince a few more (on their side). But most of us know that to run the UK parties have to find whatever is the current centre ground and currently that centre ground is somewhat to the Left of what the Tories have offered us since Cameron.
The conservatives were not "right wing". They were left. LEFT. Like they all are.
You mean they have left. Hopefully for good. Bye bye.
lmao imagine being so den.se you think right is left.
@@Kidderman2210 Well it is of no consequence to me.
@@Jack-e5t The conservatives are socialists, just lke the labour party.
There is no difference between them.
@@Jack-e5t Imagine being brought up in an era where YOU think that LEFT is "centre".
That picture looks like an older version of the lead actor of "A Good Girl's Guide To Murder".
This guy lost me when he said Trump is the líder of the world’s liberal views. Smh
This report is so amateurish and just does not understand the UK situation. It is just tropes and cannards.
John F Kennedy did a massive tax cut and it led to increased revenue for the US government. (It was LBJ who did it).
Ah so that is the answer to everything is it? Just cuit taxes and everything will be all right? Remind me again why Liz Truss resigned?
@@Kidderman2210 That is not what I said.
The taxes in the USA were stiffling the economy. Look up "revenue act of 1964" and read about it.
@@Kidderman2210 Liz Truss resigned because she was a poor communicator. She acted without letting people know what she was doing and they reacted badly.
@@Kidderman2210 So you think that taxing the hell out of everybody is a good thing. I can turn your statement around and weaponise it against you, too.
@@rebecca_noble Finance managers are of course people, but they weren't reacting to Truss's poor communication. They were reacting to the utter idiocy of what she tried to implement.
Labour didn't end conservative rule. They became conservatives and got elected into office with the intent of continuing conservatism.
Which is, to all intents and purposes, the LEFT.
That makes no sense, Labour are very far to the left at this point, Starmer is literally a troskyist. Tories are all lefties too obviously that's why reform is popular in the first place.
@@-tom-8720 In my experience all the first-past-the-post systems, in which any third party is nothing but a vote-splitting spoiler, wind up with two right wing parties -- an extremist one and a slightly moderate one.
I'm Free
I don't like to boast, but Communist as I am, I would be a better leader of the Tory Party than any of the touted candidates And I shall explain why! First of all, although I am of German-Jewish and Irish descent I possess a greater real affection for the English than Farage or Badenoch, of Priti Patel or Michael Gove. And I have affection for its culture, and even silly things such as afternoon tea, and the English Breakfast, and even its whimsy and incongruities. I love its landscapes, and its weather, and I love its institutions such as the MCC, and Wimbledon, and its natural life. I do not like hunting, but I can think of arguments in favour of it, better ones than Cameron has produced, and I love its diversity, and I love its literature and its language, one of the richest languages I know. ,
I have never heard a recent Tory Party politician mention any of that, just ideology of reaction. I love its traditions and I find that I have more in common with Methodist North of England, and the Chapel Traditions of Wales, and I have not a little sympathy with Ireland, and Scotland, which have been badly let down by Unionism. I have a love affair with the UK, and it is built on things you do not hear mentioned. The many different dialects, the interesting ways and expressions that are part of my experience, despite being away from it often, and loving France, and Germany and Italy. You only have to read some of the books which are so British, so totally an ineffably rooted in the experience of all of us.
I could honour British Rail more than to sell it off, and the British Police, it is not that any of these are without faults but none the less they have generally a disposition to serve the public, and I admire the fact that they don't have guns. I love the British service uniforms, they are so totally without pomp, I admire its history although I am not impressed by slavery or colonies. There are memories, I love the BBC before it was subverted by Murdoch, the TUC, the eccentricity of this people, but you do not here about that.
It is not that I would want no change, no reform, I would strengthen the Privy Council, I would want a Royal Family of the style of Princess Anne, who I adore. As for the incongruities, well if you have been in Science, then you get to know some people of all classes, and actually when you have something in common, there are no classes. The secretary of a Natural History Trust who was a Weaver, and the president who is a duke, and you would not know because their passion is Warblers, or you meet a former foreign secretary, and although we were initially expected to disagree, actually we shared a passion for opera, and cricket, and we forgot the accents, and we forgot the ideology and by the end of the week-end we were friends, and were I to meet him again, I know what I want to say to him. Something I forgot to mention.
I recall driving on the Foss way on one of those summer days that English weather produces, and I recalled Ken Russell's film on Elgar and as the sound of the Introduction and Allegro for Strings recaptured the exhilaration of the English landscape a tractor came out of a farm driven by a Sikh, in a Turban, and true to the English nature I did not want to drive him away, I was just exhilarated by the contrasts, this diversity, that David Starkey denies, but it is there, and I want to conserve it, to cherish it, and that is what united those of us that Love England, as part of the UK, not as an enclave of nastiness and resentment and grievance but our all round eccentricity. But I do not hear that from these pretenders, these frauds, that ingratiate themselves with the worst. So if the Conservatives want a leader that can restore their fortunes, old as I am I think I could help and I offer myself, as a candidate. They won't have to worry about my age, or my Yorkshire accent, they won't have to worry if I prefer Beethoven to Delius, or prefer Thomas Mann to Patience Strong,.
I took a German woman, one of the many that small men adore as goddess, because they are blonde, and have taste in dress, and... well never mind that is our business; but she said that no orchestra she knew could perform a program of Bizet, Haydn and Tchaikovski in one night and to justice to them all, as a British Orchestra, and she was delighted with even song in an English Cathedral. I took a Russian Colleague to the Barbican to see Turganev's 'A Month in the Country' and he said he had not seen a better production in any language as that. We are good ,actors, good musicians; a Lancashire girl was toast of Europe in the Post war years, but you don't hear of any that from the modern reactionaries, masquerading as Conservatives. They conserved nothing, they dismantled, eviscerated, it was not the immigrants, it was a an alien reactionary ideology that has damn near wrecked the country and almost destroyed the best of England.
I want to repeat that what I find invidious in reactionaries is their caricature patriotism, their caricature of principle which when it is tested against behaviour is not only caricature but absurd and hypocritical and I return to that pedantic, strident Anne Widdicombe who storms out of the Anglican Church because she cannot worship her God, if a woman is the celebrant, [Her God, Lee's country, the possessive fear, the paranoia is obsessive, yes! An obsessive fear of reactionaries that pique themselves that their world, their church ,their country is exclusive of any other world or taste and must be defended or recovered come what may, but one wonder about their preciosity when the same woman that could not worship under say Lucy Winkett can join an outfit that endorses and is endorsed by a rapist and a Fraud to say the least, and I find that I do not want Anne's God, or Lee's country , at any price. I find I could not fight for that God or that country they want to protect or recover, and that is why Reform is for me beyond the Ethical Pale and those that succour it, or support it seem to me to be totally bereft of any principle to which I could subscribe and I could wish that none of my fellow country men were not so bereft either.
So just call if you want a leader instead of a posture, and empty rhetoric and Ideology. As they say on that television show' I'm free'.
Bravo.
Spoken like a true patriot.
this is not a left wing win. its a reform party win.
@wade2bosh Reform winning 5 seats out of 650 is utterly insignificant.
Vote Biden Vote anti Lunatic Fascist 💙
Sorry, can’t vote for demented candidates
@@Agtsmirnoff ok question.? Off the 2 dementia candidates whom is more likely to protect your right to democracy in the future.....kinda who is better with the crayons
@@garyb5998 Trump. Biden’s plan is to import so many new people and give them voting rights that it makes my vote irrelevant
@@garyb5998only Biden has dementia...
@@Agtsmirnoff Trump told people to inject bleach into their arm to cure covid. That's as demented as it gets.
The uk economy is not "struggling".
It is. Wages have been stagnant for 14 years
@@extrude22 uk wages are not stagnant.
@@rebecca_noble They have been since 2010
@@extrude22 sorry. You're wrong.
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5.8 percent
The average annual salary for full-time workers in the United Kingdom was 34,963 British pounds in 2023. Compared with the previous year this represented an annual increase of 5.8 percent, one of the fastest annual earning growth rates since 2000."
@@extrude22 Don't try that again.
Starmer is a disaster
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