Does God Give us Free Will?
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2024
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Do objective moral truths exist? If so, are there any good examples? More importantly, how can we explain their existence? Can objective moral truths emerge from the laws of physics, or is an objective, personal, moral law giver a better explanation? In this stage presentation from an apologetics conference, J. Warner examines the evidence for the existence of objective moral truth. - Розваги
Just because you know your friend is going to kick a ball doesn't make him kick the ball. So it is with God and your free will. God knows what you're going to do, but you make your choice.
Exactly.
It’s not that atheists say god makes you do it. It’s the fact that god knows what you will do and the fact god can’t be wrong.
Means you will do what god already knows , which means you don’t have the choice to do otherwise.
To have two choices means you have to have the ability to do either
So it’s irrelevant that god doesn’t make you do it. That’s not the point
@@ZeroESG.goopootoobsoooo if I understood you correctly .... A university coach organizes a game against a low ranked high-school team. The coach knows the plays and he knows the outcome of the game. Has the coach taken away free will from his players? Are not the players still responsible for how much effort and sportsmanship they put into the game?
@@johnford9863 Exactly.
Back to the football argument. @@johnford9863
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Yes if we are in Christ and he in us. We will follow his will for us. God Bless and much Love. ❤🙏❤️
I've watched your material so much, I knew you were going to answer it like that. Yet I had no control over your answer and you had the freedom to share it
Yes that's the question 🙋 I am also asked about
God gives you free will but still has control over the outcome
Two very good answers to this issue. I have thought about the fact that knowledge does not equal causation before (although I like this example of the recorded game more), but I have not given a lot of thought to the lack of free will in a deterministic, godless universe.
Imagine that you are recording a video of your life where you always have free will and make your own choices, now in 100 years one person get this video and start to watch your whole life, in the recording it is possible to watch your choices, your outcomes, what t-shirt did you choice to wear that day, or which flavor of ice cream did you order in summer, all of these parts of the video were recorded with your free will, but the person that is watching this video has the time advantage, he can fast forward, return a couple of years, watch what will happen in 10 years just by clicking on a specific place of the video and so on, so he can see everything from the video of your life. Now God has this power, He gave us free will, but He already know what we will choice or do with out free will because He is outside of time, there is no past or future for Him. If you know some relative physics you know that even time is relative, and we experience our own perception of time. But God is the owner of time, so He already know. I hope I was clear :) God bless you
edit: I wrote this before watching the video :)
Love this!!
The joke at my school was that 1 profesor threw papers down the stairs and the ones that went the furthest got an A
I really nonsensical counterpoint I've been seeing from Determinists to try and say that God always determines what we do is saying something along the lines of "Well God knew what we would do. So he knows what this absolutely evil guy is going to do, but creates him anyways. Because he knew and created them, he therefore determined what would happen and we have no free will. After all, your system claims God knows everything, and does it anyways."
Knowledge does not equal causation. God created the person anyways because he knew the FREE choices he ALLOWS them to make because they have FREE WILL. But that doesn't mean we out-power God, he is far stronger than we are, immeasurably so, but he lets us make our own choices.
I am a physicist and I feel that physics does help one understand this difficult concept of God's sovereignty and our free will. The speaker was talking about physics being deterministic.. but that is newtonian physics which is a special case when objected move with speedsmuch less than the speed of light. In quantum physics we have the concept of the duality of matter where particles have a wave nature and waves a particle nature. We don't really intuitively understand this but we accept it because there are experiments which prove this... In the same way we cannot intuitively understand how predestination and free will can coexist but they do because events in our lives prove it. There are many such difficult aspects in our faith like the divinity and humanity of Jesus and work and faith....
A thought I submit to this conversation is that our will and choice has limitations. We have been bought with a price and belong to the one who purchased us. We had no choice in that purchase. Therefore the one who purchased us has the final word concerning our destiny. He can and does put limits on our will.
We ask for and accept salvation and that is our choice we therefore own the outcome
Where can i find the full video?
How people present that deterministic view of omniscience and free will is just bizarre every time it gets brought up. They somehow don't seem to understand what it really means to know. It's just weird.
Why does God allow evil people to live? That is what the parable of the wheat and tares explains.
So maybe the question is how do you know you’re saved? If you cannot lose salvation how do you explain people like Kanye West who proclaimed to be a born again Christian and now proclaims to be God himself.
Romans 6 seems to say the decisions we make matter.
James 5:19-20 seems to say we can turn from the truth.
The apostle Paul says repeatedly run the good race, stay true. Why would he say that if your saved once and done? Nothing after that matters, just go on doing what feels good man.
Why does the devil bother tempting people at all once they become Christian if they are saved and cannot fall away?
"Why does the devil bother tempting people at all once they become Christian if they are saved and cannot fall away?" -- Because it makes them unfruitful. No fruit of the Spirit and no new believers coming to Christ, but rather unbelievers being pushed away from God through the sins of Christians. Also, the devil probably cannot know if they are truly saved or not (only God knows this). Even we as Christians cannot know if someone else is truly saved. We can judge the fruits and avoid false teachers and false prophets, but what goes on in the inside of someone else's heart, we can never know until judgement day when all will be exposed.
Franks free will analogy falls short of providing a sound response to that question.
Frank loves to use the football game analogy to show how we how free will. Here’s the problem with that tho. Frank says even tho the game has been played and you’re watching it for the first time knowing the outcome, does that mean the players don’t have free will? He says no, the players still have free will even tho you already know the outcome. god not only knows the outcome but every single thing we will do. So here’s the thing. Is it possible for the players to do any different than what you know they will do?
Is it possible for you to do what god already knows what you will do?
If god knows you will do A, then A is going to happen. A must happen otherwise god wouldn’t have prefect foreknowledge.
Thus you have no choice but to do A.
Thus you have no free will
You are assuming “A must happen therefore we have no choice but to do A.”
It could just as easily be “God knows A will happen because He knows us and knows we will freely choose A.”
Choice still exists. And if you can explain the scenario in a way that still involves choice then it doesn’t disprove free will.
Mr. Turek is woefully incomplete in his attempt. Whether we like it or not, there simply is no resolving the juxtaposition of God's sovereignty and man's responsibility on this side of heaven. God is not simply clairvoyant; He in fact has a CAUSITIVE relationship to future events. God absolutely predetermined the plan of redemption via our Lord Jesus being crucified at the cross. Per the Word, "...He was pleased to crush Him", Isaiah 53:10. And at the same time, the owners of the godless hands who betrayed the Lord and nailed Him to the cross will stand before God and give an account for their evil. So, God crushed Jesus at the cross, and people will be judged for participating in God's plan of redemption.
God is not the author of sin. That should always be the overarching and governing principle as we make our attempts to work through this perplexing issue. I cling to this advice given to me long ago:
If we attempt to climb a rope that's threaded through a pulley by grabbing only one rope, we'll never make progress. The only way to keep climbing is to squeeze both ropes.
So it is with man's responsibility (free will) and God's sovereignty. When the Word speaks clearly of God's sovereignty ("You did not choose Me, but I chose you!") then understand and preach it accordingly. When the Word speaks clearly of your responsibility ("Choose you this day Whom you will serve!") then understand and preach that accordingly.
He’s not incompetent it’s an unanswerable question. Spurgeon said there’s no point in trying to figure out a situation and how much is God
How much is satan and how much is us as it pertains to a particular outcome because it will just drive you crazy. Wake up, seek the Lord and serve Him with all your might. Like Charles Stanley always said “obey God and leave all the consequences to Him.
@@user-ud9og6qm9h Incomplete, not incompetent.