@nickjordan7945 For Bailu it depends on who your current sustains are, if you have 2 limited sustains then you don't need to bother but as an f2p option she should be able to replace them, as for welt and himeko, Himeko's E4 is great and her E3 would get you that much closer to it, Welt is usable in most situations but not really optimal in any of them
Clara being .5 under Yunli makes sense to me. Especially when you consider there’s quite a few opportunities where you can run them both right next to each other and get great results.
I use both E2S1 side by side and not only do they work, "bare feet girls" is really the most fun/interactive team I've got. Things to consider are LCs and eidolons of course. Here is how I would grade them: Clara E0: 50 Clara E0S1: 55 Yunli E0: 60 Clara E1S1:80 Clara E2S1: 100 (100 is where I would say a character becomes "good" in current game state.) Yunli E0S1: 100 Yunli E1S1: 130 Yunli E2S1: 150 Yunli really needs her LC and her E1,2 are both awesome. Clara isn't very usable without her LC and E1,2; they make a huge difference in dps and survivability. She really needs to be at least E2S1 for her to be used as a dps in current meta.
@@sphong0610I've had trouble trying to get artifacts for Clara. I do have her E3, so I wonder what the best build/artifacts to put on her are. I don't have Yunli but if she's still good I'll consider pulling for her in the future.
Lightning Lord from a design perspective is soo damn cool to me. I love the idea of a greater entity gathering power and striking down our foes to aid us in battle. Sunday bringing him back into the spotlight even if for only a little really warms my heart😊
I feel like Lingsha should be like tier higher somehow. Or have her ranked as a break specialist too. She’s kinda nuts. Definitely a step further in Adventurine’s direction of “I heal but also I do damage” Also I’m more curious about an Apoc Shadow tier list just because this one seems a little crazy. That second half is no joke
@@JoeyJoJoJr17They’re basically saying that Lingsha is so powerful, that Aventurine should move down. In reality they actually think everyone should move down.
Lingsha deal more burst damage with some downtime (when the enemy isnt weakness broken, she doesn't deal dmg) + break debuff BUT aventurine deal damage regardless if the enemy weakness broken or not + crit dmg debuff. So it's equal
Because he's male. and prydwen is a notoriously known to be a waifu brainrot. Jingyuan not being T0.5 at a minimum when Sunday was released was questionable too.
@@johneisleytiu5110Bro stop trolling aven, bh, jq, and aven are all there in apex. Sunday only changed 1 unit being JY, as crit Ling is a joke and topaz w Sunday sucks. He’ll be in t0 replacing ruan mei in like 2-3 patches. Also, JY isn’t t.5 because everyone knows Aglaea will send him right back down
Pulling lingsha is one of my best decisions in hsr.Im glad I didn’t hear those people say not to pull her since Gally good enough.Definitely gonna pull her lightcone when she rerun.She’s too good ❤
Jade is not just niche. I might be biased because i got her and her lightcone on some lucky pulls but she goes insane on pure fiction. She also buffs some characters so much since they have so much synergy with her. Blade really comes in mind
how did she perform on a stage without fire/imaginary weakness is what interest me cuz all those comparison between rappa/ff made no sense to me, all showcasing in a stage with fire/imaginary weakness so the rest of the team hast breaks them like lingsha
New to the game and hoping to pick up firefly and fugue. Nice to know firefly is a good dps i definitely need more of them 😅 Ive also really been enjoying march 7th hunt such a good free to play unit.
Definitely would recommend Firefly for newer players. She’s cheap to build and 1 of her core teammates is completely f2p. And Gallagher is free sometimes from events.
I'm so conflicted about what to pull. I have close to 300 pulls saved for FF E2 (currently E0) and Fugue+LC with prefarmed relics and mats, but after 3.0 trailer, I'm really considering skipping break altogether and moving on to the Erudition and Memosprite meta. Considering Himeko E2 with the free select because she can be used for both Erudition and Break since I don't have Jade.
I’m at 68 pity wi th a guaranteed and 11 pulls saved for The Herta! I plan to get e1 s1, im also really hoping for a Lingsha rerun in the next few patches:)
Lost my 50/50 for Sunday, so I'm all in on Fugue! Unironically have lost every 50/50 for hypercarry units and supports. Used the 5 star selector for my first Bronya in a year and a half.
Even tho I agree on the Sundays placement, imo Sparkle should be the same tier as Sunday. Both supportive capabilities are pretty much equal as they both do excel in it despite having different playstyles.
I agree with this being f2p and having her at E1S1 but I think there’s not many designated main dps characters she works well with we may have to wait for a future quantum or hyper carry dps for her to go to T0.5
I wish I pulled for Feixiao and Lingsha. They're two of my favorites 😭 I stopped playing for a while and came back right when Rappa's banner started. Can't wait for their reruns
Im planning to pull on Fugue for sure. Running A March 7th hunt Break DPS team right now i think she will be really good for. Also think she will be a decent upgrade to Welt on my Acheron team if i dont need her on a Break team at ajy point. Though, honestly im really hoping for a Jiaoqiu rerun. If we find out hes hetting a rerun in 3.0(nothing makijg me think he is, other then desperate hope lol), im pribably gonna save for him after Fugue. If not, i might try and push for Firefly. Im still relatively new, only just now finally starting to crack into End game content
I feel like Sunday solidifies Clara’s t1 placement even more. The action advance, energy, crit rate and dmg, and damage bonus are all things Clara enjoys. She might not be on the same level as Yunli but in comparison to everybody else in t1 I think it’s fair. Enemies are becoming faster too which helps her even more.
Personally I'm the most excited for Fugue, she has the most unique kit out of anyone we've seen so far. Rememberance units are looking pretty outside the box too from what I've seen tho. As for the tier list I think Rappa should definitely have been bumped up to 0.5 with this update, and likely to t0 with Boothill when Fugue releases. Much as I love Firefly I think at that point she goes to 0.5. She'll still be amazing especially in sustainless comps but that isn't reflected in Prydwen's criteria so 0.5 is fair. Also on he sustains, moving Huo Huo down right before 3.0 is crazy, she's undeniably going right back up there. Lingsha up makes sense tho, she's basically a DPS and a sidegrade to Aventurine in many teams. It's also funny how Prydwen *couldn't wait* to bump Jingliu down but they conveniently left Blade where he was. Finally, totally agree that Sunday should be in 0.5 right now. He's most likely going to be the linch pin for the whole Rememberance meta so let's say he has a lot of room to grow. Personally I'm going to try and sit it out if that's the case. Nothing can make me pull him, or Aventurine for that matter, I just have 0 interest.
I'm pulling for Fugue and The Herta. I'm more excited for The Herta I think, though I'm sure I'll end up using Fugue more since I main break teams usually. I love how The Herta looks more though, and her kit looks more interesting and fun.
50k jades saved and about 20ish tickets for fugue in case i can't use HMC for whatever reason. Or i use her in break himeko team. Also, may try her in my E2 acheron team since i dont have JQ and only e0s0 adventure, and her skill makes him like he's S1
My question is... How are ppl playing seela to consider her t3 ? I mean... If you consider Jing yuan a t1, Seela with the same support (sunday robin)will do better or the same (this moc for exemple is particolary ageinst her, and you can still 0 cycle side 1.) Also, kind of odd that they kept huohuo in t0 for the full acheron feixiao and firefly meta, where none kf the three wanted her, and now that she start to have team back they are pushing her lower.
So my assumption is not many people are playing Seele. And if someone wants to play Seele, she can do very well but you gotta play her very very well. Iyo highlights this often. It isnt like Jing where you just spam the skill and have Sunday clutch. There is surprising nuance to Seele apparently for optimal performance. As for HH. my assumption is she is just not at the level of Lingsha which is fair. To say HH is at the same level of Lingsha right now is a stretch. She is just so absurd; same with Aventurine. HH is fantastic, just slightly lower than the gods known as Lingsha and Aventurine. Fair, its only 1 spot.
It's not about getting over Seela. I'm not a madman, I like to play with the new toy to. It's mostly about the misinformation. For some reason in the global community there is this joke about Seela being bad that have changed how ppl play her. Unless you like to 0 cycle you don't even give her a try when enemy are weak to quantum this days, and yet she is still performing as one of the top 0 cycle at e0s0. It is fair to say that she is trash when she is in fact one of the top performer at low cost 0 cycle? Yet tier list like prydwin put her in t3. With argenti and a 4*. She is harder to play that other unit, but are you really tell me she is below blade and e0 Dhil? Somehow lately they started to justify this with "oh well, it's true that she is not bad, but you know , more HP inflation so she will not be able to kill the add and then she will fall off. But she still can. Easily. As for huohuo, I'm not saying she should have stayed up. She was not a part of any of the top 3 team, she should have gone long ago. I just feel odd that they waited just untill we have have unit and team that work with her.
I lost my Sunday 50/50 to Bailu. If Mr Sunday doesnt come early at least i get my Firefly. She will be a gamechanger for my account i dont have a break dps yet and i have hmc and Gallagher built. I will use Asta as the last slot on her team ( no Ruan mei yet) also i cant wait for more Gallagher idolons i started late so my Gallagher is just E0 i got lucky and got him from standard banner.
Qingque should be T2. She still hits pretty hard even with bad rng. Running her with Sparkle already gets you numbers higher than Blade’s. Tried her this MoC with Sunday, SW, as well as a dual dps setup variation. They all preformed pretty well. I also did a team that was Sunday, Sparkles, and Fu Xuan. It was like organized chaos.
Seele being in t3 is actually abysmal cause mind you their criteria is 8/8/8 traces and they get their data from the players and mind you MOST of the players data use Eidolons and Signature lightcones and for seele specifically they're using a bad team for her which is Mono quantum its not good for her anymore and that's the data they're taking
Same, I'm more leaning toward E1 Fugue tho. +100% toughness damage with Ruan Mei 😅Also allows you to run any dps off element and retain full toughness break.
I am tired seeing Fu Xuan sitting on a high tier and to make it worse on the same tier as Huohuo. She does absolutely NOTHING. I'll dare to say that even Gallagher is better than her. Put her down for f sake, Prydwen. Bruh put Rappa in Tier 0 and drop the fraud. What kind of a mess is this tier list? Himeko lower than BLADE???
Have you tried looking at the tier list for Pure Fiction...? The one that focuses on AoE damage? Argenti is T0.5 there. Blade has higher single target damage and is therefore ranked higher in MoC tier list, the game mode focusing on single target damage...
I don't think Jing Yuan should be at T1. He only performs decently as a lightning DPS only assuming Sunday is in the team with him. Characters really should be rated with (relative) isolation of what they provide, not with the assumption that the other 3 characters on their team are perfect and are giving them massive buffs. Example: It's not really ideal to rate Xueyi at a high tier with the assumption that the player will pair her with Ruan Mei and Sunday and a Lingsha support or something, and then saying "oh yeah, Xueyi's damage is pretty good now". That's more so a testament that Ruan Mei + Sunday + Lingsha help carry the DPS hard, not that Xueyi's an awesome DPS. At most a T1.5 upgrade from the prior T2.
Aw hell nah, by this logic Acheron doesn't deserve her 0.5, Feixiao her 0 and Firefly her 0. They are literally different units without Jiaqiou, Robin, Ruan mei and HMC We're talking about Meta here so it's obvious you need some investment into these characters and their best pairings. Even so, he either desrves 0.5 or it's Acheron who should get dropped because they are quite literally the same now.
I think characters being rated with their best character is fair. Otherwise it would be much harder to rate a lot of the character as the performance varies. Same goes for eidolons and signature, which many people also want to take into account but suffers from the same problem. It should be obvious that if your character doesn't have the best things it won't be as good.
@@Toonlink003 I don't think so, because the tier list already assumes every 4star is E6 and every 5 star is E0, now we're also assuming the player account in question has literally every character at E0, too? Do you have every 5star at E0 (or higher)? The tier list is intended to guide players towards generally strong picks. Jing Yuan in isolation is not a strong pick. People shouldn't be going out of their way to roll for a lightning + summon DPS when Aglaea is literally around the corner ready to send Jing Yuan to the gutter again as the new Lightning + Summon DPS.
@lstinside8688 Acheron can still build her own shattered dream stacks, and even without E2, she generally supports well with advance harmony supports, and there's a few supports that generally/incidentally provide debuffs even without their kit specifically synergizing with Acheron. A base game Gepard + a 4star lightcone with Trend of the Universal Market does generally well to provide consistent debuffs. Pela is a free character that provides consistent debuffs. Acheron still performs well with or without Jiaoqiu. We literally used Acheron for over 6 months before Jiaoqiu was ever in the game and she destroyed all the content in the game. That still hasn't changed. Jiaoqiu just takes her to new heights. Firefly literally implants her own fire weakness towards enemies. She literally is one of the few DPS with a built in heal in her kit to self-sustain. Free characters like Harmony MC can be assumed because the story literally hands it to you. You don't need Ruan Mei or Lingsha to destroy content with her. Gallagher is also a 4star. You can throw in Asta as a 4th Harmony unit to boost Firefly's speed further so she can apply more Superbreak. Firefly (in isolation of other limited 5star characters) still destroys all game content. Feixiao is again the same damn story. The game gives you March 7th Hunt for free. Moze and Gallagher are fast 4stars that also pair well with Feixiao. Feixiao doesn't need Robin, or Aventurine or Topaz to destroy all game content, but she is certainly helped by having them available to her. All she really needs is her teammates to be fast and for her to be fast. Even if you're missing Moze, an Asta or Hanya are both Harmony supports that build for high speed and can help Feixiao build her stacks quickly, along with a fast sustain and March 7th Hunt. Jing Yuan is literally only being upgraded because of Sunday. That's more so a testament to Sunday being cracked, not Jing Yuan. Just wait until Aglaea is released and we'll see Jing Yuan's older kit doesn't actually hold up by comparison.
@@JoeyJoJoJr17 E6 can be achievable, specially for older characters and they are considerable weaker than most characters anyway, again if you don't have the best characters/e6 4* then you should just assume they are weaker, you don't need a tier list to tell you this. Anyway, this list is made with many requirements, if you don't like those requirements, then too bad make your own website, you don't assume who the tier list is made for if it requirements are already stated, the point is that is much better to measure a character with their best supports, as opposed to taking into account all forms of investment, there are too many variables on the latter. Your argument about JY is fair but has nothing to do with how this tier list is made nor its suppose to make decisions or future decisions for you.
The tiers confuse me. Like what does tier 0.5 even mean????? Also tier 0 feels like it's used way too loose. Just move everything one tier down and have Tier 1 be highest?
Personally I don't think Yunli deserves to be where she is. She should be lower. The apex to me should be reserved for characters that just ignore the meta and how the game works. Ach and Fei bulldoze everything regardless of what buffs, powers, elemental weakness, type of enemy and event gimmik is going on even under full auto. Yun cannot say the same she is just performing well because the current set-up works for her and our current line-up of amps and sustains are just absurd. With the choir as an example Hoyo is not afraid to just make a CC miasma type enemy. And don't forget Svarog's hands. I don't doubt for a second we will be getting more kidnapping enemies in the future. And now I made a dang paragraph. Though I will place bets that Jing Yuan gets another buff when the summon meta starts. Hoyo has a favorite.
Let me know which character you are the most excited for, and which characters you would change placements for on the list!
Herta will be fire 100%
Characters I'm most excited for ranked are:1 Castorice, 2:Constance 3:Mydei/The Herta
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@nickjordan7945 For Bailu it depends on who your current sustains are, if you have 2 limited sustains then you don't need to bother but as an f2p option she should be able to replace them, as for welt and himeko, Himeko's E4 is great and her E3 would get you that much closer to it, Welt is usable in most situations but not really optimal in any of them
Blade on his way to dispatch you in 8 cycles
@@super_dude00 the unreachable side : 3300 AS
@@baemonrawrThat paradise may be unreachable for me.
😂 @@baemonrawr
Clara being .5 under Yunli makes sense to me. Especially when you consider there’s quite a few opportunities where you can run them both right next to each other and get great results.
That’s fair :)
I used the free selector to finally E6 my clara. Running her and yunli together has been super fun
I use both E2S1 side by side and not only do they work, "bare feet girls" is really the most fun/interactive team I've got. Things to consider are LCs and eidolons of course. Here is how I would grade them:
Clara E0: 50
Clara E0S1: 55
Yunli E0: 60
Clara E1S1:80
Clara E2S1: 100 (100 is where I would say a character becomes "good" in current game state.)
Yunli E0S1: 100
Yunli E1S1: 130
Yunli E2S1: 150
Yunli really needs her LC and her E1,2 are both awesome. Clara isn't very usable without her LC and E1,2; they make a huge difference in dps and survivability. She really needs to be at least E2S1 for her to be used as a dps in current meta.
@@sphong0610I've had trouble trying to get artifacts for Clara. I do have her E3, so I wonder what the best build/artifacts to put on her are. I don't have Yunli but if she's still good I'll consider pulling for her in the future.
Currently at 17-18 pity and a little over 11,500 stellar jades waiting for Fugue
good luck on your fugue pulls :D
Lightning Lord from a design perspective is soo damn cool to me. I love the idea of a greater entity gathering power and striking down our foes to aid us in battle. Sunday bringing him back into the spotlight even if for only a little really warms my heart😊
I feel like Lingsha should be like tier higher somehow. Or have her ranked as a break specialist too. She’s kinda nuts. Definitely a step further in Adventurine’s direction of “I heal but also I do damage”
Also I’m more curious about an Apoc Shadow tier list just because this one seems a little crazy. That second half is no joke
Lingsha is literally rated T0 in all game modes, though. It doesn't get any higher. So I don't understand your comment.
@@JoeyJoJoJr17They’re basically saying that Lingsha is so powerful, that Aventurine should move down.
In reality they actually think everyone should move down.
Lingsha deal more burst damage with some downtime (when the enemy isnt weakness broken, she doesn't deal dmg) + break debuff BUT aventurine deal damage regardless if the enemy weakness broken or not + crit dmg debuff. So it's equal
Having robin and Sunday both in T0 just sounds correct. I’m almost positive he’s going up after Aglaea releases.
jing liu being that low just hurts… oh how the mighty have fallen.
Sunday not being T0 is the most confusing thing. He reworked 3 different characters MINIMUM
I have a feeling Sunday will likely be bumped up to T0 in 3.0 due to the remembrance characters being playable!
I keep forgetting that Topaz is a summon character instead of FUA. Given that she is in my FUA team. XD
Because he's male. and prydwen is a notoriously known to be a waifu brainrot. Jingyuan not being T0.5 at a minimum when Sunday was released was questionable too.
@@johneisleytiu5110Bro stop trolling aven, bh, jq, and aven are all there in apex. Sunday only changed 1 unit being JY, as crit Ling is a joke and topaz w Sunday sucks. He’ll be in t0 replacing ruan mei in like 2-3 patches.
Also, JY isn’t t.5 because everyone knows Aglaea will send him right back down
@@johneisleytiu5110 bruh..
Yal are gonna be so shooketh after herta comes out and jade goes from t3 to t0
Pulling lingsha is one of my best decisions in hsr.Im glad I didn’t hear those people say not to pull her since Gally good enough.Definitely gonna pull her lightcone when she rerun.She’s too good ❤
Jade is not just niche. I might be biased because i got her and her lightcone on some lucky pulls but she goes insane on pure fiction. She also buffs some characters so much since they have so much synergy with her. Blade really comes in mind
I haven't had a situation where Rappa didn't perform extremely well. I def think she deserves a move up.
I kinda regret going for Dhil over her. But i still love dragon man
how did she perform on a stage without fire/imaginary weakness is what interest me
cuz all those comparison between rappa/ff made no sense to me, all showcasing in a stage with fire/imaginary weakness so the rest of the team hast breaks them like lingsha
New to the game and hoping to pick up firefly and fugue. Nice to know firefly is a good dps i definitely need more of them 😅
Ive also really been enjoying march 7th hunt such a good free to play unit.
Definitely would recommend Firefly for newer players. She’s cheap to build and 1 of her core teammates is completely f2p. And Gallagher is free sometimes from events.
I'm so conflicted about what to pull. I have close to 300 pulls saved for FF E2 (currently E0) and Fugue+LC with prefarmed relics and mats, but after 3.0 trailer, I'm really considering skipping break altogether and moving on to the Erudition and Memosprite meta. Considering Himeko E2 with the free select because she can be used for both Erudition and Break since I don't have Jade.
Get Sunday E0S1 and E0 Fugue, then call it a day, could also add E1 FF if you really like her,
I’m at 68 pity wi th a guaranteed and 11 pulls saved for The Herta! I plan to get e1 s1, im also really hoping for a Lingsha rerun in the next few patches:)
I just got Sunday early after a 50/50 loss. So excited for new meta 👏 God bless y'alls pulls!
Congrats :D
Lost my 50/50 for Sunday, so I'm all in on Fugue!
Unironically have lost every 50/50 for hypercarry units and supports. Used the 5 star selector for my first Bronya in a year and a half.
100% saving for The Herta, 51 pity, 10000 stellar jades
Even tho I agree on the Sundays placement, imo Sparkle should be the same tier as Sunday. Both supportive capabilities are pretty much equal as they both do excel in it despite having different playstyles.
I agree with this being f2p and having her at E1S1 but I think there’s not many designated main dps characters she works well with we may have to wait for a future quantum or hyper carry dps for her to go to T0.5
I wish I pulled for Feixiao and Lingsha. They're two of my favorites 😭 I stopped playing for a while and came back right when Rappa's banner started. Can't wait for their reruns
How dare youtube hide this from me for 59 seconds!???
D: ohno
I can’t keep up with the meta I don’t have any dps that goes with Sunday and I’m at guaranteed pity looks like I’ll wait for 3.1
100% wait for a remembrance character that you like the look of. Aglaea will be our first 5* Remembrance DPS and she’s very beautiful and strong
@ that’s my hope because i honestly don’t know if id go for fugue
I'm looking forward to fugue she looks likes she fits well with Acheron because she does
Im planning to pull on Fugue for sure. Running A March 7th hunt Break DPS team right now i think she will be really good for. Also think she will be a decent upgrade to Welt on my Acheron team if i dont need her on a Break team at ajy point. Though, honestly im really hoping for a Jiaoqiu rerun.
If we find out hes hetting a rerun in 3.0(nothing makijg me think he is, other then desperate hope lol), im pribably gonna save for him after Fugue. If not, i might try and push for Firefly. Im still relatively new, only just now finally starting to crack into End game content
If the summons take sp sparkle may go up in value as a partner to Sunday and the summon characters
I feel like Sunday solidifies Clara’s t1 placement even more. The action advance, energy, crit rate and dmg, and damage bonus are all things Clara enjoys. She might not be on the same level as Yunli but in comparison to everybody else in t1 I think it’s fair. Enemies are becoming faster too which helps her even more.
Personally I'm the most excited for Fugue, she has the most unique kit out of anyone we've seen so far. Rememberance units are looking pretty outside the box too from what I've seen tho. As for the tier list I think Rappa should definitely have been bumped up to 0.5 with this update, and likely to t0 with Boothill when Fugue releases. Much as I love Firefly I think at that point she goes to 0.5. She'll still be amazing especially in sustainless comps but that isn't reflected in Prydwen's criteria so 0.5 is fair. Also on he sustains, moving Huo Huo down right before 3.0 is crazy, she's undeniably going right back up there. Lingsha up makes sense tho, she's basically a DPS and a sidegrade to Aventurine in many teams.
It's also funny how Prydwen *couldn't wait* to bump Jingliu down but they conveniently left Blade where he was. Finally, totally agree that Sunday should be in 0.5 right now. He's most likely going to be the linch pin for the whole Rememberance meta so let's say he has a lot of room to grow. Personally I'm going to try and sit it out if that's the case. Nothing can make me pull him, or Aventurine for that matter, I just have 0 interest.
I'm pulling for Fugue and The Herta. I'm more excited for The Herta I think, though I'm sure I'll end up using Fugue more since I main break teams usually. I love how The Herta looks more though, and her kit looks more interesting and fun.
I'm going all in I got Acheron, Sunday then I'm going for Fugue, Aglaea and THE Herta.
WABAM!
I’m super excited for Aglaea as I’ve heard she scales on speed which is my favorite thing to build ❤️
50k jades saved and about 20ish tickets for fugue in case i can't use HMC for whatever reason. Or i use her in break himeko team. Also, may try her in my E2 acheron team since i dont have JQ and only e0s0 adventure, and her skill makes him like he's S1
As a topaz main, I keep on forgetting that numby is a summon. given that she is really good on my FUA team.
I love the new avatar!
When's the next stream lady it's been like 10 days 😭
I’m currently on vacation (still will be uploading videos) I’m not too sure if my laptop can handle streams until I’m back :(
@ oh my bad, enjoy oyour vacation ❤️
I got 113 pulls and a guranteed featured 5 star for fugue i keep telling myself to pull sunday on a rerun but man my wishin itch is going crazy 😭
sunday being only in 0.5 is just crazy, also ff being placed in t0 still is also crazy
who do you think could replace firefly in t0.
I rlly hope ur not serious or your probably just an Acheron user 😭
@@camelnotllama Nah FF deserves her spot. Who could replace her there? So I hope you are trolling.
Where to find this tierlist
Personally, I can’t wait to pull for fugue. Been saving since feixiao . Then imma try and pull The herta.
what is meta and apex?? 😔😔
Sunday blessed me I got him early won 50/50 then pulled his lc in 10 pulls then right after won his 50/50 again for e1
My question is... How are ppl playing seela to consider her t3 ?
I mean... If you consider Jing yuan a t1, Seela with the same support (sunday robin)will do better or the same (this moc for exemple is particolary ageinst her, and you can still 0 cycle side 1.)
Also, kind of odd that they kept huohuo in t0 for the full acheron feixiao and firefly meta, where none kf the three wanted her, and now that she start to have team back they are pushing her lower.
So my assumption is not many people are playing Seele. And if someone wants to play Seele, she can do very well but you gotta play her very very well. Iyo highlights this often. It isnt like Jing where you just spam the skill and have Sunday clutch. There is surprising nuance to Seele apparently for optimal performance.
As for HH. my assumption is she is just not at the level of Lingsha which is fair. To say HH is at the same level of Lingsha right now is a stretch. She is just so absurd; same with Aventurine. HH is fantastic, just slightly lower than the gods known as Lingsha and Aventurine. Fair, its only 1 spot.
Yes we get it, you haven't gotten over seele, but she is absolutely high maintenance right now to even make her barely usable.
I do believe Seele could’ve / should’ve stayed in at least the “Meta” category, as there have been very impressive showcases of her
It's not about getting over Seela. I'm not a madman, I like to play with the new toy to. It's mostly about the misinformation. For some reason in the global community there is this joke about Seela being bad that have changed how ppl play her. Unless you like to 0 cycle you don't even give her a try when enemy are weak to quantum this days, and yet she is still performing as one of the top 0 cycle at e0s0. It is fair to say that she is trash when she is in fact one of the top performer at low cost 0 cycle? Yet tier list like prydwin put her in t3. With argenti and a 4*.
She is harder to play that other unit, but are you really tell me she is below blade and e0 Dhil?
Somehow lately they started to justify this with "oh well, it's true that she is not bad, but you know , more HP inflation so she will not be able to kill the add and then she will fall off.
But she still can. Easily.
As for huohuo, I'm not saying she should have stayed up. She was not a part of any of the top 3 team, she should have gone long ago. I just feel odd that they waited just untill we have have unit and team that work with her.
Himeko is at least tier 1.5 especially after multiple MOC's where she performed very well.
I lost my Sunday 50/50 to Bailu. If Mr Sunday doesnt come early at least i get my Firefly. She will be a gamechanger for my account i dont have a break dps yet and i have hmc and Gallagher built. I will use Asta as the last slot on her team ( no Ruan mei yet) also i cant wait for more Gallagher idolons i started late so my Gallagher is just E0 i got lucky and got him from standard banner.
Please hoyo bless me with a blade rerun I pray and I beg everyday till the day I get to have my glorious king Blade
I still think huohuo is a t0 sustain for her constand cleanses and aoe energy ult.
To be 0.5 Rappa need her LC. Since it is an E0S0 T1 is fine for her.
Just lost 50/50 on Sunday so saving up for herta 😢
I’m at 60 pity and 11000 jades hard saving for Fugue!
Qingque should be T2. She still hits pretty hard even with bad rng. Running her with Sparkle already gets you numbers higher than Blade’s. Tried her this MoC with Sunday, SW, as well as a dual dps setup variation. They all preformed pretty well.
I also did a team that was Sunday, Sparkles, and Fu Xuan. It was like organized chaos.
Just stop
Its true though?@@TerraTheWise
Seele being in t3 is actually abysmal cause mind you their criteria is 8/8/8 traces and they get their data from the players and mind you MOST of the players data use Eidolons and Signature lightcones and for seele specifically they're using a bad team for her which is Mono quantum its not good for her anymore and that's the data they're taking
Idk why but i love the intro lol
Everybody is so hyped for Sunday. I don't care about him 😅 I'm currently contemplating on getting fugue or e1 FF
Same, I'm more leaning toward E1 Fugue tho. +100% toughness damage with Ruan Mei 😅Also allows you to run any dps off element and retain full toughness break.
I missed that one character with the sword they summon I want her I missed her
I need dot to come back ASAP !!!!!!!!!
I’m excited for the fate collab
bro rappa should be tier TO, she literally performs a million times better than firefly with e0
I have firefly and rapa but I still choose sunday over fugue 😊
MASSIVE CHANGES!
Just got Sunday and now I’m trying his lightcone. I really hope to get fugue too (might need to cash lmao)
Jingliu was my first dps so it sucks to see her low, but these days she feels so ass
Jingliu t2 with blade t1.5 alongside dot core 😢
Tbh as both yunli and clara user I believe yunli is way better and it's not close
14k jades 20 passes guaranteed going for firefly fugue and aglaea !!
First! Love you moon!!!
Hi :D How are you doing today?
@ I’m good, today’s been pretty great. How about you?
I'll pass fugue and the herta, I'm going for agalea for my sunday
Im new to this game tf is t1 t0?
Still salty that Acheron was bumped downward to 0.5…
Topaz, the real future proof. 😋
Like come on honestly i think they took way too long to bump up Lingsha. Quite literally does everything.
sunday is eating good once 3.0 is live
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Was never this early to a video 😂🎉
I am tired seeing Fu Xuan sitting on a high tier and to make it worse on the same tier as Huohuo. She does absolutely NOTHING. I'll dare to say that even Gallagher is better than her. Put her down for f sake, Prydwen.
Bruh put Rappa in Tier 0 and drop the fraud. What kind of a mess is this tier list?
Himeko lower than BLADE???
Agreed with Fu Xuan, Gallagher IS better.
And Rappa will get higher once Fugue comes out but I doubt it's T0, she really needs her LC
OA and still incorrect, daaaammmnnnn
I've got 90 pulls and I'm kinda indecisive
HOW is argenti worse than blade WRGENTI DOES A BUNCHA DAMAGE WHY DO PPL SAY HES BAD 😭😭😭😭i KNOW its not energy cost 😭💔
Have you tried looking at the tier list for Pure Fiction...? The one that focuses on AoE damage? Argenti is T0.5 there. Blade has higher single target damage and is therefore ranked higher in MoC tier list, the game mode focusing on single target damage...
@@JoeyJoJoJr17 WTH is Apoc for then, it’s a game mode where its bosses, where Hunt Characters tend to shine better?
Ohhhh okay tysm
I don't think Jing Yuan should be at T1. He only performs decently as a lightning DPS only assuming Sunday is in the team with him. Characters really should be rated with (relative) isolation of what they provide, not with the assumption that the other 3 characters on their team are perfect and are giving them massive buffs. Example: It's not really ideal to rate Xueyi at a high tier with the assumption that the player will pair her with Ruan Mei and Sunday and a Lingsha support or something, and then saying "oh yeah, Xueyi's damage is pretty good now". That's more so a testament that Ruan Mei + Sunday + Lingsha help carry the DPS hard, not that Xueyi's an awesome DPS.
At most a T1.5 upgrade from the prior T2.
Aw hell nah, by this logic Acheron doesn't deserve her 0.5, Feixiao her 0 and Firefly her 0. They are literally different units without Jiaqiou, Robin, Ruan mei and HMC
We're talking about Meta here so it's obvious you need some investment into these characters and their best pairings.
Even so, he either desrves 0.5 or it's Acheron who should get dropped because they are quite literally the same now.
I think characters being rated with their best character is fair. Otherwise it would be much harder to rate a lot of the character as the performance varies. Same goes for eidolons and signature, which many people also want to take into account but suffers from the same problem. It should be obvious that if your character doesn't have the best things it won't be as good.
@@Toonlink003 I don't think so, because the tier list already assumes every 4star is E6 and every 5 star is E0, now we're also assuming the player account in question has literally every character at E0, too? Do you have every 5star at E0 (or higher)?
The tier list is intended to guide players towards generally strong picks. Jing Yuan in isolation is not a strong pick. People shouldn't be going out of their way to roll for a lightning + summon DPS when Aglaea is literally around the corner ready to send Jing Yuan to the gutter again as the new Lightning + Summon DPS.
@lstinside8688 Acheron can still build her own shattered dream stacks, and even without E2, she generally supports well with advance harmony supports, and there's a few supports that generally/incidentally provide debuffs even without their kit specifically synergizing with Acheron. A base game Gepard + a 4star lightcone with Trend of the Universal Market does generally well to provide consistent debuffs. Pela is a free character that provides consistent debuffs. Acheron still performs well with or without Jiaoqiu. We literally used Acheron for over 6 months before Jiaoqiu was ever in the game and she destroyed all the content in the game. That still hasn't changed. Jiaoqiu just takes her to new heights.
Firefly literally implants her own fire weakness towards enemies. She literally is one of the few DPS with a built in heal in her kit to self-sustain. Free characters like Harmony MC can be assumed because the story literally hands it to you. You don't need Ruan Mei or Lingsha to destroy content with her. Gallagher is also a 4star. You can throw in Asta as a 4th Harmony unit to boost Firefly's speed further so she can apply more Superbreak. Firefly (in isolation of other limited 5star characters) still destroys all game content.
Feixiao is again the same damn story. The game gives you March 7th Hunt for free. Moze and Gallagher are fast 4stars that also pair well with Feixiao. Feixiao doesn't need Robin, or Aventurine or Topaz to destroy all game content, but she is certainly helped by having them available to her. All she really needs is her teammates to be fast and for her to be fast. Even if you're missing Moze, an Asta or Hanya are both Harmony supports that build for high speed and can help Feixiao build her stacks quickly, along with a fast sustain and March 7th Hunt.
Jing Yuan is literally only being upgraded because of Sunday. That's more so a testament to Sunday being cracked, not Jing Yuan. Just wait until Aglaea is released and we'll see Jing Yuan's older kit doesn't actually hold up by comparison.
@@JoeyJoJoJr17 E6 can be achievable, specially for older characters and they are considerable weaker than most characters anyway, again if you don't have the best characters/e6 4* then you should just assume they are weaker, you don't need a tier list to tell you this.
Anyway, this list is made with many requirements, if you don't like those requirements, then too bad make your own website, you don't assume who the tier list is made for if it requirements are already stated, the point is that is much better to measure a character with their best supports, as opposed to taking into account all forms of investment, there are too many variables on the latter.
Your argument about JY is fair but has nothing to do with how this tier list is made nor its suppose to make decisions or future decisions for you.
Inasne Rappa is not 0.5. She has been so good
The tiers confuse me. Like what does tier 0.5 even mean????? Also tier 0 feels like it's used way too loose. Just move everything one tier down and have Tier 1 be highest?
Fugue for me
Waiting for the next male character 😅
Hsr feels like a chat and yap simulation game. i am drop this game, so many AI writing and bs
Personally I don't think Yunli deserves to be where she is. She should be lower. The apex to me should be reserved for characters that just ignore the meta and how the game works. Ach and Fei bulldoze everything regardless of what buffs, powers, elemental weakness, type of enemy and event gimmik is going on even under full auto.
Yun cannot say the same she is just performing well because the current set-up works for her and our current line-up of amps and sustains are just absurd. With the choir as an example Hoyo is not afraid to just make a CC miasma type enemy. And don't forget Svarog's hands. I don't doubt for a second we will be getting more kidnapping enemies in the future.
And now I made a dang paragraph. Though I will place bets that Jing Yuan gets another buff when the summon meta starts. Hoyo has a favorite.
You clearly don’t have Yunli
Yes there is mention about JY buff already. Enemy rows mechanic will be a huge buff for all Erudtition so now I'm afraid for Aglaea this time again
All that yap just to be objectively incorrect. Plus for the effort
@@TerraTheWise you clearly can’t read