Joscha Bach - Consciousness as a coherence-inducing operator

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  • Опубліковано 4 жов 2023
  • A theory of consciousness should capture its phenomenology, characterize its ontological status and extent, explain its causal structure and genesis, and describe its function. Here, I advance the notion that consciousness is best understood as an operator, in the sense of a physically implemented transition function that is acting on a representational substrate and controls its temporal evolution, and as such has no identity as an object or thing, but (like software running on a digital computer) it can be characterized as a law. Starting from the observation that biological information processing in multicellular substrates is based on self organization, I explore the conjecture that the functionality of consciousness represents the simplest algorithm that is discoverable by such substrates, and can impose function approximation via increasing representational coherence. I describe some properties of this operator, both with the goal of recovering the phenomenology of consciousness, and to get closer to a specification that would allow recreating it in computational simulations.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 29

  • @michaelwalsh9920
    @michaelwalsh9920 6 місяців тому +11

    If you look at humans as a collective being, JB would be the consciousness looking back unto itself. Thank you and thx for sharing!

  • @andAgainFPV
    @andAgainFPV 7 місяців тому +15

    What a great talk, a very succinct and concrete definition of building consciousness.

  • @ginogarcia8730
    @ginogarcia8730 6 місяців тому +10

    12:40 makes me wanna tear up - I just love how Joscha eloquently blends technology and philosophy so easily and makes it easy to understand

    • @flflflflflfl
      @flflflflflfl 6 місяців тому +1

      Joscha is truly one of a kind. I could listen to him all day every day.

  • @lilfr4nkie
    @lilfr4nkie 6 місяців тому +6

    One of the greatest minds of the century

  • @nolanhansen2228
    @nolanhansen2228 6 місяців тому +5

    Amazing! I am so thankful to be alive during this time.

  • @guusvandermeulen7210
    @guusvandermeulen7210 5 місяців тому +1

    The progress of the models how the brain works JB is producing over the years is astonishing. I'm glad JB has excellent communication skills.

  • @DWinegarden2
    @DWinegarden2 7 місяців тому +2

    The most basic consciousness is emergent from the collective of the individual organisms that a conscious being is comprised of. The “higher” thoughts we create are simply the organisms occupying their time while our bodies have satisfied their collective existence requirements.

  • @DisperseControl
    @DisperseControl 6 місяців тому +1

    Compelling, clear and articulate. Thank you!

  • @TechyBen
    @TechyBen 6 місяців тому +1

    As a note, it's not as simple as saying "our minds don't sample the quantum world, but the quantum world is actually there" because our *atoms* can't sample those quantum worlds entirely either.
    So it's less "my perception is like a computer game" and more "My perception is like through a mobile phone screen/camera". There are physical interactions we observe, but we might not sample extremely high number, but also the sampling device is physical, though managed via "software".

  • @cyberbiosecurity
    @cyberbiosecurity 4 дні тому

    i like this definition

  • @jazearbrooks7424
    @jazearbrooks7424 6 місяців тому +3

    Why, no arrow from attention agent to motivation agent? Surely what you pay attention to can in fact change your motivation in a way not directly influenced by your environment.

  • @str-2711
    @str-2711 7 місяців тому +1

    thank you

  • @starblue324
    @starblue324 7 місяців тому +5

    Yes, can we get AI to vibe with us?

  • @ginogarcia8730
    @ginogarcia8730 6 місяців тому +1

    i dunno what the title means but its got joscha so i'm in

  • @margrietoregan828
    @margrietoregan828 7 місяців тому +7

    Copy of transcript for my own notes
    in our brain this is
    11:43
    very different because our brain is not
    11:44
    made out of uh aimless transistors it is
    11:47
    made out of single- cell animals that
    11:50
    have shared Destiny and need to survive
    11:52
    and they can only survive if they find
    11:54
    some kind of arrangement between each
    11:55
    other that allows the organism to find
    11:58
    food for the neurons
    11:59
    so this is the situation that they're in
    12:01
    and as a result they get some emerging
    12:02
    organization a self organization from
    12:04
    inside out and there's no point and no
    12:07
    point a global structure that is not the
    12:08
    result of some inside out growing self
    12:11
    organization right and so if you build
    12:13
    an information processing system like a
    12:15
    machine Learning System out of
    12:17
    completely self-organizing elements what
    12:18
    does this look like and I think what it
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    looks like is not anything like the
    12:22
    current machine learning algorithms it's
    12:24
    something where you need to create
    12:26
    increasing coherence so it's you get
    12:28
    create an island of coherence at first
    12:29
    something that has a coherent reward
    12:31
    language and semantic language of
    12:32
    thought so to speak and that is then
    12:34
    growing and is colonizing the cortex
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    into a coherent pattern that allows you
    12:39
    to explain reality and at the core of
    12:41
    this to make this happen this coherence
    12:43
    happen is the self-observing Observer
    12:46
    it's the minimal coherent pattern right
    12:47
    it's something that notices I'm here I'm
    12:50
    observing and so I'm growing out it's
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    quite beautiful because it's basically
    12:54
    the core of the card's meditation K agum
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    I think is not some philosophical
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    statement about ontology that allows you
    13:01
    to make a derivation it's the strategy
    13:03
    that you can introspectively observe

  • @petermartin5030
    @petermartin5030 6 місяців тому +1

    Wow, we are listening to genius here.

  • @loopuleasa
    @loopuleasa 6 місяців тому

    based

  • @atrocitasinterfector
    @atrocitasinterfector 5 місяців тому

    Joscha needs to be in charge of OpenAI

  • @Vishal-ih3tc
    @Vishal-ih3tc 3 місяці тому

    10:00, 11:44

  • @michelles9897
    @michelles9897 7 місяців тому +1

    🤍

  • @teemukupiainen3684
    @teemukupiainen3684 6 місяців тому +1

    that's it😂😂😂

  • @phillipneal8194
    @phillipneal8194 6 місяців тому +1

    So where is the code ?

    • @flflflflflfl
      @flflflflflfl 6 місяців тому

      godhub

    • @agt5jx87
      @agt5jx87 6 місяців тому

      I think the purpose of the talk is to get people interested in the idea.

  • @wp9860
    @wp9860 27 днів тому

    No. Consciousness is not software. It is not virtual. It is not computational. It is not a simulacrum. It is real. It is verb, not noun. It is energy, not mass. it subsists on life. In came into being by evolution that created the magic where bioelectric discharge is the substance of consciousness, life as we experience it, and all our phenomenal impressions.