@SillyBrigade Hah. One of the big guys in the acolyte outrage brigade was fuming over there being bricks and screws in Andor. People are always angry if they decide to be angry and scream at things that don't matter, like bricks and screws.
@@halocrest3669 yeah people said it felt slow that was about it. It still killed it with good reviews, and the writing was considered really good as well
I thought the writing and plot were not handled well at all and missed sooooo many opportunities to be great while trying to focus on other non-import things. However... Manny was the one bright light where I want to see more of his story - just not told from the current staff.
He’s the best part of the show and the only person who’s addressed the backlash and criticism of the show in a good way with a response that doesn’t insult the fans unlike everyone else they have interviewed. Bro is just the best
@@Vilgax00 He's not totally wrong, he was asked how him personally is dealing with the backlash, and the context was the Prequels, and Hayden, and how after years they're kind of liked again, and that's how he chooses to focus on positives. The "people don't like change" part is in reference to all the then new stuff that the fans didn't like about the prequels that George brought in, in context. He's also being quoted in a written piece from a verbal interview, and we all know journalists cut whatever out that they don't think fits their "story." We have no idea what exactly he actually verbally said, and how he said it. But I agree it was respectful.
@@Fear_the_Nog Yeah you are right. İts just the way journalist using it is like "İt will became good when nostalgia hits". And ı saw so many old shows that still does not liked to this day. People completly ignoring the existince of Clone Wars while defending Acolyte.
I think the show deserve all the backlash. But none of the actor who put all their art and heart in it. They did the best they could with the trash they where given.
bro thats only like 2 actors, sol and qimir.... everyone is talking about lesbians and the force being female or R2D2 bisexual or something. And also the cringe dance video to all OG star wars fans.
@@lv70rouge They can be despicable person and knowing nothing about the lore doesn’t mean they are bad actors. But don’t get me wrong you are 100% right that a lot of people in this show should have just said nothing.
@@lv70rouge What exactly is bad about lesbians existing in a fantasy universe full of aliens and space magic? When has the Force ever been referred to as female in any Star Wars property? Why are you all still upset about an advertisement campaign from like 5 years ago that had nothing to do with the lore? Why are you upset that a couple people made a joke about a droid being bisexual, when it was clearly meant as a joke? Why would people even assume that it's meant to be actual lore? Are they stupid? (Yes) And the "cringe dance video to all OG star wars fans" I'm assuming is the video by Amandla Stenberg in which she calls out that stupid people were calling her racist for saying in an interview like 10 years ago that a film she starred in at the time was meant to "make white people cry." In a fucking movie about police brutality towards black boys? Like, yeah, the point was to make white people cry, because if it makes white people cry then it means the story connected with them... That's common fucking sense... Her video wasn't toward "OG star wars fans." Like, are you 5? She was calling out racists in the fanbase, you morons.
@@mrafk5658 So, knowing nothing about the lore (or rather in this case, having a different opinion on the lore than you) makes them despicable people? Are you fucking serious?
Amandla Stenberg is a surprisingly terrible actress. I’d seen her in supporting roles here and there, but never as a lead… and she is simply not leading actress material, let alone able to take on two roles at once 😑
In my opinion this show really just received the accumulated backlash of the community that has been building up since Mando s3 with mediocre show after mediocre show with Ashoka, tales of the sith and finally the acolyte. This show needed to succeed and bring the community together but all it did was be a very prominent cherry on top of all the issues Disney Star Wars has with lore breaking additions that basically just told the community “we don’t care”.
Well he is the one part of the show people liked the reason most people are pissed is not just because the series was bad but it was hyped up to be a sith series people thought Plagueis or Tenebrous were going to be the main character or at least play a vital role instead we got the twins which were meh at best so I can understand the disappointment showing Plagueis for a second at the end does not make up for that this should have been a true sith series not this crap.
You just sound like a Disney hater. Jk, honestly screw the acolyte. It's sad we have to settle for terrible writing. Force awakens was good, far from great on it's own but it was interesting. Anything after that is an uncomfortable barely okay product.
@@lemuelheath3761 Force Awakens was good because it was basically the same story as A New Hope. The Last Jedi was a terrible version of Empire Strikes Back and Rise of Skywalker was and abomination trying to resemble Return of the Jedi.
Wasn't a fan of the show or modern star wars as a whole, I've never been toxic about it yet have been labeled all sorts of things for not liking it. How he worded this was incredible. I wish fans from both sides could voice their takes and address those with opposite views with such grace. As much as I didn't like the acolyte his character and duels and choreography was amazing and would have easily been the highlight of any Star Wars. I'm sad that he is tied to this low rating because it is not his fault at all I think he did really well.
he was good in Episode 5, and okay in Episode 6… but he was kinda weird in the earlier episodes when he was playing the fake goober version of himself. Sol guy is a good actor, but only when he’s speaking Korean… and everyone one else was pretty awful. Mother Aniseya might’ve been okay, I can’t decide if it was the script or the acting that made her seem cheesy 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sam_T2000 dude... before his "reveal" his whole persona was supposed to be weird and gooberish hahahahahaha that was literally the point. Hes portraying a "nobody" to trick the jedi and Mae. Also keep in mind this is for teens and kids. Its not game of thrones or true detective lol its supposed to be obvious whats about to happen, especially if youre watching it as an adult. Like people made it a big deal that it was Qimir whos the sith because it was "sooo obvious". like yeah man... thats kinda the point lol
@@kentstank - I understand that… but his portrayal was still too goofy. and I suppose it came off worse because it was obvious “the Stranger” was him, because who else could it have been? but also… why do you say Qimir being the Stranger was _supposed_ to be obvious? wouldn’t some mystery have been more interesting? or some more characterization of either version of Qimir? or explain how he met Mae and became her master? anything?
@@Sam_T2000 If you didnt like how "silly" he was I can understand that. I personally wasnt bothered by it because it makes him appear weak in doing so to trick the Jedi. As for "mystery" it was to a small degree. This isnt the HBO series True Detective... its star wars.. for teens. We didnt know for sure if it was him but it was a very good guess at the time before the end of ep5 that the smilo-ren figure could be him or one of the witches. Like most reviewers were speculating its probably him and unfortunately most were upset with their assumption of it when again, this isnt NCIS. There is still mystery and the unknown throughout the series but its not intended to honestly be that complicated. Would that be nice if it was? Yeah sure why not, but to expect it to be is a little over doing it dont you think? Its not like any of the other star wars series were super complicated. Generally, straight forward and you can figure out whats going on.
@@kentstank - before the premiere, the show was billed as a sort of kung-fu murder mystery, among other things… but the identity of the killer was explained by the end of the first episode. _True Detective_ is a much better show, even the bad seasons… so maybe _The Acolyte_ should’ve taken a page from that show after all 🤷🏻♂️ it wouldn’t need to get as dark as that series, or get bogged down in the procedural stuff like _NCIS,_ but it should’ve actually tried to do _something_ interesting. as it turned out, the only real mystery the show offered was just a flashback that one of the main characters was withholding from the audience, and was actually never fully revealed the the other main character. it was just a bunch of nothing 😑
As a person who has watched all the Star Wars movies as a child and also now I agree with Manny. I can’t blame the people who long for that feeling they got as children but I also believe that the new Star Wars movies and series are great. There is simply no way to re-create the earlier movies without it feeling like a copy of the past (weird comparison but look at ABBA and the criticism they earned for their recent album for instance). I think the acolyte is a breath of fresh air and at the same time carries just enough reminiscent of the past movies. I think it’s a great show and addition to the Star Wars universe and I am curious to see where the team takes this storyline in the future. Take the precious memories of the past as exactly that and hold it dearly while looking towards an exciting future - or as Shmi said “you can’t stop change any more than you can stop the suns from setting” ⭐️
Not a bad sentiment, but that doesn't mean that most of these shows are objectively bad (especially this one). Measuring the dialogue, plot, character motivations, etc. by any metric, like logic, will show anyone paying attention that they are bad in pretty much every way. It's sad because I want to love all things Star Wars but Disney insists on creating media based on their arbitrary "inclusion standards" chart and the quality of their media suffers as a result. It's weird that a universe full of aliens can't inherently be diverse (which it was when George Lucas was in charge) but they have to force it with real life agendas rather than just making good, fun, interesting Star Wars. Boggles the mind.
Backlash isn't needed to make Disney understand their shows are not what their fanbase wants like most of you say. If a "horrific and monstrous" show makes them tons of money they will continue to make them (Kenobi, Ahsoka, etc). If you want to make Disney stop the bad shows don't watch them, or pirate them, but dividing the fanbase and throwing hate is not going to present any results other than raising standards and expectations.
Well, the numbers on Ahsoka were not good and for the Acolyte it seems like they dropped even more with people not interested in going further after they made Ki Adi dirty. So I guess both the spite and disinterest trend are present. YT creators of course continued to watch it to analyse it but a lot of SW fans stopped watching the serie and only had seen the reaction from one point or at all
I think there’s a reason it got the backlash… the prequels had a story while sure dialogue was iffy… acolyte I watched all of it and couldn’t tell you who were the good guys and what was going on
For me, it’s not just because it’s different from what I grew up with. I don’t like it because it breaks lore, the story is just bad, and it pushes things that I don’t agree with so much that I just can not.
I never understood why the audience keeps attacking the actors, when we all agree the problem is the writting. (With the exception of those who clearly are being nasty or are ignorant.) I felt Chimera and Sol's actors especially put a lot into this show and deserve props even if the show on the whole is a 3/10
When it came to the first half of the Acolyte, I largely agreed with the negative outlook. There was weird pacing, motivations were not set up well (although there's an argument to be made that they weren't set up well throughout the series), the social messaging was way too much in your face, it had issues. The backlash for the second half confused me, because it seemed well out of proportion. I really liked the last episode, and I wish the rest of the series had gone for that sort of thriller format. Which is what confused me more when people started going at it too. A lot of people don't seem to be willing to give Star Wars a chance any more; it's partly deserved due to the respective mess of earlier releases like the BoBF, but now it feels petty, at least to me. While the show did suffer from some poor writing and cinematography choices, it was hardly comparable to the BoBF and had it released before then, I'd hazard a guess that it would have done solidly.
Out of curiosity what was the social messaging that was in your face? Yeah the director had her own personal politics that everyone shown a spotlight on before the show came out, but what exactly was “woke” or “political” in the show specifically in the beginning?
“Give Star Wars a chance” even though andor and the bad batch are widely well received shows. Because the writing teams actually cared about Star Wars, instead of complaining about fans criticizing the issues in the shows.
@@SillyBrigade Bad Batch wasn't widely well received. 90% of the show isn't very good, except for the final season. I remember people complaining about it being boring most of the time. The show was only really good in the first and last episodes of each season. Even Andor had people complaining about it being slow (it wasn't). Fans liking something doesn't mean it's good. Fans disliking something doesn't mean it's bad. They're called "fans" for a reason (fanatics). Star Wars fans are terrible and determining quality and actually justifying why they think something is bad. That's why you get dumbasses complaining about "fire in space" in fucking Star Wars, review bombing a show before it even came out, and calling it "woke" because the main characters aren't white men. And that's why you get idiots like you complaining that the writing teams were "complaining about fans criticizing the issues in the shows," which is something they've NEVER done. Because you're either a gullible sheep following grifters, or you're one of those bigots who says bigoted things that are just vague enough (dogwhistles) that you can pretend that nothing you said was offensive. So you can claim that the writers who are calling out your bigoted behavior are against "legitimate criticism." When you know very damn well that your "legitimate criticism" is that you don't like seeing people of color, gay people, women, or trans people in prominent roles in media
Manny is right. Being divided has only ever hurt Star Wars. I’m hoping that’ll change but the gap is so wide with so many only ever focused on the past and those who are open to some changes now. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic or perhaps the amount of negativity that radiates around Star Wars has grown tedious, but I hope that before George leaves this world, we can be one whole fandom again. We won’t have to love or hate everything, but we can least respect those differences as people. I mean, it shouldn’t be impossible to remain civil, especially with a fictional universe as beloved as this one. Edit: The gap only continues to widen
@@ericp1139 you were lucky to miss it, because it was. Despite those being received well in their own ways, you had some that disliked a certain aspect about each one.
Star Wars actors go through a lot of shit because of the more toxic part of the fandom so I'm glad he has this mindset and for what it's worth I genuinely really enjoyed the show, I thought it could've been paced better but other than that it was fun.
I actually really liked the acolyte. I don’t really pay attention to fanbases, so I don’t even know why people were so upset about it… The one issue I had with it was Ki Adi Mundi showing up, but that’s a minor complaint.
It's a bit weird to hate on hating, don't you think? Maybe it should be better to try to understand reasons instead of hating back. Manny Jacinto in his quote is a perfect example of this, a graceful one
@@StarWarsSegredosnah bro think about it, all you have to do is ignore all the examples of things going against his statement, and he’s not 100% correct. 😂
Honestly I agree. And it’s just so sad to see how the Star Wars fanbase is so toxic foton reason (in most of the times). Sure there have been some bad or even stupid and sh*t like stuff in the newer Star Wars media but it’s not always so bad yet “fans” just love to hate on anything tbh. I mean look how the og trilogy fans hated the prequels and now the Ep III is in Top 3 Star Wars movies for most of the fans and the Clone Wars is the best SW show to this day. And yeah Acolyte had some amazing stuff too (easily the best lightsaber battles in live action since the prequels, you can’t change my Mind on that) even if it wasn’t the best show. Most of the fans are just haters Honestly.
Perfectly stated. I think there are two factions that are responsible for almost all of the insufferable toxicity. The first is what he describes. We'll call them the Conflicted Nostalgics. The rest is comprised of much younger fans that have only existed in the age of the internet, with it's trolls and keyboard warriors, and a time where every character should have a perfectly fleshed out backstory and people can't be bothered with allowing a story to develop. This group wants perfection and instant satisfaction but will only be open to those things if what they see on screen is exactly what they want, no deviation.
This is not George Lucas's Star Wars. The writing, acting, and storytelling are horrific and stray away from the legacy of the most successful franchise pre Disney Star Wars. 0:57 The Bad Batch has more depth, emotion, characters and an incredible story than this series. They need to be better, just tell good stories and keep identity politics out of it.
He would definitely respect this answer cause it's not offensive and also cause it's true. Of course when you are a child you only feel the emotion but when you grow you analyse what has created it. So you're more critical of new products. Honestly Manny and the actor from Squid Game (I don't remember his name unfortunately) were the best things the Acolyte offered. Really good interpretation, nice people and they genuinely seem passionate about what they did more than about political agendas
@@esuomiit seems like you know nothing about Star Wars Theory and probably the one being hateful since the name mocking and prejudice. SWT just comments on what he sees, both from shows and from people intervies. Also he says since day one to not go after people that have different ideas in a negative way, but from the other side (especially Twitter) there is not mutual respect and people were really putting attacks on him and not on the content of his videos
@straybard_art I could link you tons of video in which he asks to not be offensive but you know people have something called free will so in the end you just decide what to do on your own. Even when you decide you're gonna do everything another person says. Also sometimes it's just polarising on both sides, which is weird to me cause you (not you stray, it's a general you) complain about the intolerance while insulting others personally. A civil conversation should just be about the content whether you say you like it or not
The show does deserve the backlash its getting because Leslye Headland can't take criticism or come up with orignal ideas, she decides to call the fans racist and sexist yes im sure that will get people to come and watch her show.
Keep in mind a show that fails in every sense. At least it failed at all the things Leslye would be in control of. Since the only good thing was the choreography, which even then adds nothing in terms of actual character development through what they do in the fights.
I agree. It’s the cycle of fandom. The trick is to keep an open mind and remember that everyone working on any project - especially Star Wars - really want nothing less that to make a great show. And also to remember, as we get older and experience more things, it’s harder for us to be impressed by or get lost in a film or story the same way we were or got when we were kids. Although it still does happen occasionally (for me, Christopher Nolan repeatedly manages to achieve this, recently with Oppenheimer).
I have said this elsewhere. I first saw Star Wars as a 5vr old in 1978. I still use that feeling as a reference for film enjoyment/ appreciation. If I get that wow buzz it is a good movie no matter the genre. When it comes to the Acolyte I liked it. It was a bit clunky but I thought it made some daring and different story decisions and this was good. But, the most important thing was that it was a show I watched with my 11 and 15 year old kids. I got enjoyment out of their enjoyment and that counts for something.
I like new star wars I'm just happy to have more star wars. I don't want to go back to the days of limited star wars. I want the amount of star wars I can watch to keep growing. I'm in my 40s I love the original trilogy I love the prequels and despite wishing the films had more of a theme and planning I don't mind disney star wars. I love all the shows so far. Keep making star wars
Definitely did not deserve the atrocious reviews (lower than Holiday Special indicates review bombing). It had flaws but the nitpicking and pulling apart every inconsistency is extremely tiresome (complaints about a fire in space - it’s Star Wars not a documentary!) Going forward, Star Wars fans need to accept that not every show or film will be for them. Different stories with different perspectives, created by varying creative teams or writers and artists. Andor for the older more politically educated. Ahsoka for the mid fans who watched all the animated series. Skeleton Crew for families of younger children etc etc.
people forget star wars is silly. its space wizards fighting with lazer swords. military soldiers can’t hit a target 10 ft away, and the most evil and powerful man to ever exist gets carried like a baby and thrown down an elevator shaft. its okay to be critical of media but to act like putting out a flawed piece of star wars is the worst thing to ever happen is hilarious. as bad as even the sequels were, no reason to be mad
It’s not that people are made about change, or wanting to experience the same nostalgic feelings. its simply a badly written show that disrespects the lore from lucas, paired with terrible acting and nepotism
He's 100% right. I have a few gripes with the acolyte but for me his character among others I did like. There were positives from the show, most people scream louder about the negatives and the press.
I don’t have influence to criticize any show or movie. I simply make fun of it when the dialogue and story are stupidly written. Remember the word “FUN”. Folks Watch 2 Critical Drinker Videos and are led to believe they are film critics when clearly they are not. There’s just too much content out there that would lead you astray in believing you’re some kind of esteemed art connoisseur when you’re not. I think Mae barely has double digits in brain cells. Just killer off already. Every single person (that got actual screen time) who are not the twins is basically a beta male that you put up with or another dead female character that gets a flashback when you know they’re gone already.
I think if the show was as it was it would be fine with only normal backlash, but the actors potrayed better PR I think it would have not gotten this much hate. The disstrack, "Anakin Blowing up the death star", and other forms of incompetence from the people behind the film really make it insulting. Adding the cherry on the icing the amount of media, and Disney backlash will get you even more resentment.
@@SillyBrigade I totally agree, but the amount of arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity from the handling of the project and themselves just adds more fuel to the flame. They turned it from a fire burning a bakery to the London fire
The Acolyte isn't a bad show, yes it has flaws, especially in the pacing, but overall it was enjoyable. Disneys problem is that they treat all their shows equally even when they know the quality isn't equal. Not everything has to be the next big thing, but if they treat it as such that's when it causes issues and hurt feelings.
The Acolyte suffered because Leslye Headland went on a tour saying stupid things like "this is the gayest Star Wars project ever" creating controversy for no reason at all. The show had its flaws but the biggest one was that PR campaign
Yesterday I watched the original Jurassic park. It had so many goofy scenes and inaccuracies that if it came out today the fanbase and the critics would destroy it. So I encourage people to try and watch the whole show, try to remember what the franchise was in the beginning and then judge. Also the argument about the budget isn't entirely accurate because the show has much better visuals than the original films and technology has changed so much
Yeah you can hate the show if you want but it is over hated, and then Star Wars fans attacking each other is such a big problem. I’ve been insulting so many times for liking the show it’s insane. I wish the fandom was more understanding but I feel like it will never change.
0:01 Qimir - the Smilo Ren, the Old Spice Mine Commercial Man and the client of Darth Plagueis, the banker, who owed him a huge debt from the loans he borrowed from him.
In my opinion, he is right. There ARE going to be significant differences in writers, directors, etc. but a LOT of hate CAN be avoided. It just feels like writers on these new shows are purposefully making these little changes and bad decisions to, like, just CAUSE controversy. Like Ki-Adi Mundi. They didn’t need to bring him in, they could’ve done something else, but it feels as though they did that to show they could do that, rather than they wanted to
Gladly would watch another season of Acolyte following things onward with some backstory fill-in on Qimir and Vernestra stuff. It wasn't as bad as some people made it out to be, and deserves an honest watch untainted.
All things considered manny handled the criticism really well he isn’t shitting on the people that hired him because that isn’t going to do anything and he isn’t shitting on the fans because that is wrong
It's not a good point, though. I watch The Empire Strikes Back regularly, and the movie is just as good as it was when I was a boy and remains one of the best films ever made. The truth is Disney puts out poorly written/acted shows. It's not because our "taste" has matured. But at least he didn't call the fans racists and/or sexist. So he gets points for that.
It's almost like most of the backlash these days has nothing to do with the actual quality of the content and instead focuses on actual fucking racism, sexism, and homophobia that bigots love to pretend doesn't exist. It's very clear the actor is only phrasing things this way because he's trying hard not to be controversial. Because racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, etc. are the most sensitive crybabies in existence. They want to complain about the existence of people not like them, and then get upset when they have to face consequences for it.
I personally loved the show. It wasn't perfect but it had a profundity at its subtext which I'm not sure the vast majority of Star Wars fans is ready to appreciate.
@@thestarkknightreturns The power of peee. The power of pooooo. THE POWER OF PeeeeEEEEE PooOOOO Literally the entire plot hangs on a thread of people making nonsensical decisions for zero reason. Literally if Sol explained WHY he killed Osha's Mother Sol would probably still be alive. But no, all he could say is I LoVe YoU. If your plot relies on your characters being morons then your story is slop. You are more than welcome to watch the Acolyte or the Sequels and stare at the screen going duuuuuuhhhhhh. But you and people like you are the reason we aren't getting quality content anymore because you have enabled the standards to be pathetically low.
He was the best part of the show. His muscular arms are something I want to strive to get. He plays the duality of a pharmisict and a sexy Sith so well. If there is a Season 2, since Sol is dead, he's gonna be carrying the show.
For me it depends what changes. The outrage about ki adi mundi is imo so much exaggerated it’s insane in itself. It’s just about one quote (which they didn’t break and solved in a satisfied way) and his age. He’s a minor side character who got no attention there it doesn’t really matter if his species becomes one with a long/short lifespan. It would be different if they would change the race of Darth plagueis or anakins background
@@Minifutzi_o.O Not talking about that. Meant Anakin not being the only person made by the force. Also now implying that Plageious got this from the witches just kind of weakens his character now. God bless you.
I think they get the right amount of Backlash or perhaps not enough, i mean, when you have an actor that says the main point of the series was to make White people rage, then you may have a problem there. And there have been quite amount of good Star Wars content along the years, as far as i remember, the Clone Wars and Rebels released after the original trilogy and the Prequels and most recently we have the Mandalorian, so i'm pretty sure the problem isn't with the fans growing up.
I will say I expect better from Disney because they arguably have more resources than George Lucas had. He's getting there. I'm more critical because I understand the story and the plot points in the Acolyte are questionable and don't do well with current lore. Dialogue may have been stilted in the prequels but Disney does not have that excuse. You can't make a show on that level (perhaps lower) and claim its positioned above prequel quality, especially the lightaaber fights.
Wrong. This isn't about different tastes this is about bad. Everyone loved the animated 3d series. They were knew too. They too changed a lot of the Lord. They were loved because they were good even if they were made for kids. So this is wrong.
I understand what he says but at the same time you could also argue that Andor would have suffered from the same critics... the Acolyte didn't desreve the amount of hate it got in the premiere but it also wasn't nearly as good as it could have been
I think he's right about other shows, but the Acolyte was genuinely bad product. Unfortunately, some ppl kicked up such a stink over things that were ok or average (so it appeared as an overreaction) it can be a bit of calling wolf too many times. So then an already gasl1ghty company, and politically motivated show runners will find it easy to just say "oh theyre overreacting again".
The studio puts these actors in tough situations. The show sucks not because it didn't remind you of what you saw as a kid but the writing and characters were terrible. As an adult, you see right through paper thin scripts.
In context in the full interview (which is not included in this video) he was referring to how the Prequels and Hayden were perceived back then vs. today, and that he can only hope that that will be the same with The Acolyte. You can say he's putting his hopes in the wrong basket, but he was asked a question and he had to have an answer in a public interview.
Lol nah there's not accepting change and there's extremely bad writing. Before we knew what the show was all about there was the chance to see what "The Acolyte" is supposed to represent in the world and view of the Dark Side and the Sith far away from anything Skywalker related, then when we got this story the ideas were still interesting, the execution was... Well just that an execution and an ugly public one at that.
@@Fear_the_Nog that doesn’t make any sense I’m saying his point is wrong because he’s saying Star Wars fans are hating this show because they hate all new Star Wars property but there is good Star Wars shows that have come out recently that fans like such as andor
This makes total sense. I have been a fan since the original Star Wars in 1977, but the new films (including the prequels) are not going to have the same feel as the original trilogy for me. I don’t expect them to. If I want that feeling I watch the original trilogy (not the special editions but I watch that too). I won’t backlash to the prequels, sequels, the Disney plus shows because there is no way in hell they are going to give me that feeling as a little boy. It’s called expansion and moving forward. The kids of the prequels are the same way too. They are not getting the same feeling as the prequels. The kids of today will be the same too. It’s not a negative thing, but it depends on how the fans react.
There is also the cumulative lack of quality of the Disney produced content. The three sequels are AWFUL and make the prequels all the more acceptable even though people still can't stomach Jar Jar Binks, Amadala's ridiculous costume changes or Mannequin Skywalker's wooden acting. Solo was lame, even Rogue One could have been better and the following Andor series is very good. They did a great job with the first 2 seasons of The Mandolorian. The 3rd season's writing went to hell and Mando was a supporting character in his own series in order to develop other upcoming series launches. Andor is well done under Tony Gilroy's stewardship. Ahsoka and Obi-Wan Kenobi are somewhat mixed in their writing but exceptional acting talent. As for the Acolyte, it suffered from numerous problems. I don't fault any of the actors but unfortunately they shoulder a disproportionate amount of the blame. Jacinto is in a hard place, trying to preserve his future work but also being contractually obligated to talk up the series even if he actually hates it himself as many of the sequels actors have made clear. There is a distinct and very loud marketing/pr department effort by Disney to shout down any dissent among fans as they pound out revenue from the hugely expensive franchise property they purchased. They are not the first studio to mismanage such a thing.
He was one of the few shining lights of the show. Sucks that he’s gonna be stuck in that era and not really able to move out, and I doubt we get a S2. Even the optimist in me loves everything Star Wars cannot see this show go a second season
This thinking is wrong. Divisness should be normally fixed by good product not compromising on so many flaws which this show is undoubtedly riddled with. It's not about the culture changing when the writting is objectively terrible. The backlash is well deserved.
It also must be frustrating for the cast of this show or any Star Wars because the fans are comparing it to their first time/childhood experience. This show will probably be some kids experience, and they might hate the OG one.
so is it "if you like star wars you are just childish" or "if you like old star wars but not new star wars you are too mature". ive heard both recently now
Bro knew exactly what to say and exactly how to say it
Unlike the dude narrating the video, who can never pronounce anything that’s easily google-able.
It definately deserved the hate it got no doubt about it but he did have a some what good point about the original fans
@Ragnorok657 not even the original fans, it's prequel fans too, it's all a cycle
@@Ragnorok657 It definitely didn't deserve the hate it go. The hate was way overblown, as it always is.
and still its coping cuz the show is really bad
Manny "Jackino"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Manny Jacked-into
@@DarthKastos more like Manny Jackin O
Lmfao I spit coffee out on that one. Jacinto, Ja-sin-toe or Ha-sin-toe if you are cultured 😜
I agree with Darth Bicep’s take
😂 That name might just stick lol
Omg that took me out 😂
It never gets old to see how well Star Wars actors know the fandom. Even the actors new to Star Wars are making revolutionary statements out here.
Manny is so based. I couldn't have put what he said into better words. And that statement is something that can be applied to nearly any fandom.
Its also false in almost any fandom, I would love Manny explain why the well written shows (Andor for example) didn’t have this issue.
@SillyBrigade Hah. One of the big guys in the acolyte outrage brigade was fuming over there being bricks and screws in Andor. People are always angry if they decide to be angry and scream at things that don't matter, like bricks and screws.
@@SillyBrigade There were a lot of people who didn't like andor as well?
@@halocrest3669 yeah people said it felt slow that was about it. It still killed it with good reviews, and the writing was considered really good as well
@@garbotoxins840 maybe next time just state the actual point, instead of using metaphors.
I thought the writing and plot were not handled well at all and missed sooooo many opportunities to be great while trying to focus on other non-import things.
However...
Manny was the one bright light where I want to see more of his story - just not told from the current staff.
This show should have just been a disney+ movie, all told at once, not over 7 weeks
Or just release it all at once, starwars shows all suffer the same problem tbh
yea but thats not how marketing works
Yeah. I didn't mind the story but I thought the pacing was all over the place.
He’s the best part of the show and the only person who’s addressed the backlash and criticism of the show in a good way with a response that doesn’t insult the fans unlike everyone else they have interviewed. Bro is just the best
Thanks, finally someone said that! No insulting or blaming, just an evaluation
Yeah. Even though he is totally wrong,he is atleast respectfull. Unlike some certain inviduall.
@@Vilgax00 He's not totally wrong, he was asked how him personally is dealing with the backlash, and the context was the Prequels, and Hayden, and how after years they're kind of liked again, and that's how he chooses to focus on positives. The "people don't like change" part is in reference to all the then new stuff that the fans didn't like about the prequels that George brought in, in context. He's also being quoted in a written piece from a verbal interview, and we all know journalists cut whatever out that they don't think fits their "story." We have no idea what exactly he actually verbally said, and how he said it. But I agree it was respectful.
@@Fear_the_Nog Yeah you are right. İts just the way journalist using it is like "İt will became good when nostalgia hits". And ı saw so many old shows that still does not liked to this day. People completly ignoring the existince of Clone Wars while defending Acolyte.
I think the show deserve all the backlash. But none of the actor who put all their art and heart in it. They did the best they could with the trash they where given.
bro thats only like 2 actors, sol and qimir.... everyone is talking about lesbians and the force being female or R2D2 bisexual or something. And also the cringe dance video to all OG star wars fans.
@@lv70rouge They can be despicable person and knowing nothing about the lore doesn’t mean they are bad actors. But don’t get me wrong you are 100% right that a lot of people in this show should have just said nothing.
@@lv70rouge What exactly is bad about lesbians existing in a fantasy universe full of aliens and space magic? When has the Force ever been referred to as female in any Star Wars property? Why are you all still upset about an advertisement campaign from like 5 years ago that had nothing to do with the lore? Why are you upset that a couple people made a joke about a droid being bisexual, when it was clearly meant as a joke? Why would people even assume that it's meant to be actual lore? Are they stupid? (Yes)
And the "cringe dance video to all OG star wars fans" I'm assuming is the video by Amandla Stenberg in which she calls out that stupid people were calling her racist for saying in an interview like 10 years ago that a film she starred in at the time was meant to "make white people cry." In a fucking movie about police brutality towards black boys? Like, yeah, the point was to make white people cry, because if it makes white people cry then it means the story connected with them... That's common fucking sense... Her video wasn't toward "OG star wars fans." Like, are you 5? She was calling out racists in the fanbase, you morons.
@@mrafk5658 So, knowing nothing about the lore (or rather in this case, having a different opinion on the lore than you) makes them despicable people? Are you fucking serious?
Amandla Stenberg is a surprisingly terrible actress. I’d seen her in supporting roles here and there, but never as a lead… and she is simply not leading actress material, let alone able to take on two roles at once 😑
Pretty good response tbh. As much as I didn't really feel the show succeeded the way that it wanted to, it didn't deserve as much hate is it got.
lmao cope
@@lv70rouge careful not to project ur own feelings
In my opinion this show really just received the accumulated backlash of the community that has been building up since Mando s3 with mediocre show after mediocre show with Ashoka, tales of the sith and finally the acolyte. This show needed to succeed and bring the community together but all it did was be a very prominent cherry on top of all the issues Disney Star Wars has with lore breaking additions that basically just told the community “we don’t care”.
It does
Actually it deserved it. This is Disney's vision on Starwars. They keep forcing it. This is basically saying "You will like this".
Well he is the one part of the show people liked the reason most people are pissed is not just because the series was bad but it was hyped up to be a sith series people thought Plagueis or Tenebrous were going to be the main character or at least play a vital role instead we got the twins which were meh at best so I can understand the disappointment showing Plagueis for a second at the end does not make up for that this should have been a true sith series not this crap.
Perfect summary
You just sound like a Disney hater. Jk, honestly screw the acolyte. It's sad we have to settle for terrible writing. Force awakens was good, far from great on it's own but it was interesting. Anything after that is an uncomfortable barely okay product.
@@lemuelheath3761 Force Awakens was good because it was basically the same story as A New Hope. The Last Jedi was a terrible version of Empire Strikes Back and Rise of Skywalker was and abomination trying to resemble Return of the Jedi.
@LuisPerez-5 Bro perfect explanation 👌
Wasn't a fan of the show or modern star wars as a whole, I've never been toxic about it yet have been labeled all sorts of things for not liking it. How he worded this was incredible. I wish fans from both sides could voice their takes and address those with opposite views with such grace. As much as I didn't like the acolyte his character and duels and choreography was amazing and would have easily been the highlight of any Star Wars. I'm sad that he is tied to this low rating because it is not his fault at all I think he did really well.
The cast was definitely not the problem here… Manny is talented
he was good in Episode 5, and okay in Episode 6… but he was kinda weird in the earlier episodes when he was playing the fake goober version of himself. Sol guy is a good actor, but only when he’s speaking Korean… and everyone one else was pretty awful.
Mother Aniseya might’ve been okay, I can’t decide if it was the script or the acting that made her seem cheesy 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sam_T2000 dude... before his "reveal" his whole persona was supposed to be weird and gooberish hahahahahaha that was literally the point. Hes portraying a "nobody" to trick the jedi and Mae. Also keep in mind this is for teens and kids. Its not game of thrones or true detective lol its supposed to be obvious whats about to happen, especially if youre watching it as an adult. Like people made it a big deal that it was Qimir whos the sith because it was "sooo obvious". like yeah man... thats kinda the point lol
@@kentstank - I understand that… but his portrayal was still too goofy. and I suppose it came off worse because it was obvious “the Stranger” was him, because who else could it have been?
but also… why do you say Qimir being the Stranger was _supposed_ to be obvious? wouldn’t some mystery have been more interesting? or some more characterization of either version of Qimir? or explain how he met Mae and became her master? anything?
@@Sam_T2000 If you didnt like how "silly" he was I can understand that. I personally wasnt bothered by it because it makes him appear weak in doing so to trick the Jedi.
As for "mystery" it was to a small degree. This isnt the HBO series True Detective... its star wars.. for teens. We didnt know for sure if it was him but it was a very good guess at the time before the end of ep5 that the smilo-ren figure could be him or one of the witches. Like most reviewers were speculating its probably him and unfortunately most were upset with their assumption of it when again, this isnt NCIS. There is still mystery and the unknown throughout the series but its not intended to honestly be that complicated. Would that be nice if it was? Yeah sure why not, but to expect it to be is a little over doing it dont you think? Its not like any of the other star wars series were super complicated. Generally, straight forward and you can figure out whats going on.
@@kentstank - before the premiere, the show was billed as a sort of kung-fu murder mystery, among other things… but the identity of the killer was explained by the end of the first episode. _True Detective_ is a much better show, even the bad seasons… so maybe _The Acolyte_ should’ve taken a page from that show after all 🤷🏻♂️
it wouldn’t need to get as dark as that series, or get bogged down in the procedural stuff like _NCIS,_ but it should’ve actually tried to do _something_ interesting. as it turned out, the only real mystery the show offered was just a flashback that one of the main characters was withholding from the audience, and was actually never fully revealed the the other main character. it was just a bunch of nothing 😑
Finally some normal answer, thank god he didn't choose to do a diss track instead lol.
As a person who has watched all the Star Wars movies as a child and also now I agree with Manny. I can’t blame the people who long for that feeling they got as children but I also believe that the new Star Wars movies and series are great. There is simply no way to re-create the earlier movies without it feeling like a copy of the past (weird comparison but look at ABBA and the criticism they earned for their recent album for instance). I think the acolyte is a breath of fresh air and at the same time carries just enough reminiscent of the past movies. I think it’s a great show and addition to the Star Wars universe and I am curious to see where the team takes this storyline in the future. Take the precious memories of the past as exactly that and hold it dearly while looking towards an exciting future - or as Shmi said “you can’t stop change any more than you can stop the suns from setting” ⭐️
Well said, Manny Jacinto!
If we continue to lower our standards for every new Disney Star Wars entry eventually we’ll get - well the Acolyte.
Not a bad sentiment, but that doesn't mean that most of these shows are objectively bad (especially this one). Measuring the dialogue, plot, character motivations, etc. by any metric, like logic, will show anyone paying attention that they are bad in pretty much every way. It's sad because I want to love all things Star Wars but Disney insists on creating media based on their arbitrary "inclusion standards" chart and the quality of their media suffers as a result. It's weird that a universe full of aliens can't inherently be diverse (which it was when George Lucas was in charge) but they have to force it with real life agendas rather than just making good, fun, interesting Star Wars. Boggles the mind.
Backlash isn't needed to make Disney understand their shows are not what their fanbase wants like most of you say. If a "horrific and monstrous" show makes them tons of money they will continue to make them (Kenobi, Ahsoka, etc). If you want to make Disney stop the bad shows don't watch them, or pirate them, but dividing the fanbase and throwing hate is not going to present any results other than raising standards and expectations.
Well, the numbers on Ahsoka were not good and for the Acolyte it seems like they dropped even more with people not interested in going further after they made Ki Adi dirty. So I guess both the spite and disinterest trend are present. YT creators of course continued to watch it to analyse it but a lot of SW fans stopped watching the serie and only had seen the reaction from one point or at all
@@mamelandro3972 Ahsoka had better starting weeks than Andor, but the acolyte did have lower viewership numbers so hopefully that makes Disney change.
@@gonzaw8539 Nobody was expecting Andor to be the best show among the 3 they originally presented (Kenobi, Ahsoka, Andor).
I think there’s a reason it got the backlash… the prequels had a story while sure dialogue was iffy… acolyte I watched all of it and couldn’t tell you who were the good guys and what was going on
For me, it’s not just because it’s different from what I grew up with. I don’t like it because it breaks lore, the story is just bad, and it pushes things that I don’t agree with so much that I just can not.
I never understood why the audience keeps attacking the actors, when we all agree the problem is the writting. (With the exception of those who clearly are being nasty or are ignorant.) I felt Chimera and Sol's actors especially put a lot into this show and deserve props even if the show on the whole is a 3/10
He’s absolutely right. It was the same with The Prequels and now those are Beloved.
A nice, measured answer with a strong undercurrent of truth.
When it came to the first half of the Acolyte, I largely agreed with the negative outlook. There was weird pacing, motivations were not set up well (although there's an argument to be made that they weren't set up well throughout the series), the social messaging was way too much in your face, it had issues. The backlash for the second half confused me, because it seemed well out of proportion. I really liked the last episode, and I wish the rest of the series had gone for that sort of thriller format. Which is what confused me more when people started going at it too.
A lot of people don't seem to be willing to give Star Wars a chance any more; it's partly deserved due to the respective mess of earlier releases like the BoBF, but now it feels petty, at least to me. While the show did suffer from some poor writing and cinematography choices, it was hardly comparable to the BoBF and had it released before then, I'd hazard a guess that it would have done solidly.
Out of curiosity what was the social messaging that was in your face? Yeah the director had her own personal politics that everyone shown a spotlight on before the show came out, but what exactly was “woke” or “political” in the show specifically in the beginning?
I thought it was pretty good I dunno
“Give Star Wars a chance” even though andor and the bad batch are widely well received shows. Because the writing teams actually cared about Star Wars, instead of complaining about fans criticizing the issues in the shows.
@@SillyBrigade
Bad Batch wasn't widely well received. 90% of the show isn't very good, except for the final season. I remember people complaining about it being boring most of the time. The show was only really good in the first and last episodes of each season. Even Andor had people complaining about it being slow (it wasn't). Fans liking something doesn't mean it's good. Fans disliking something doesn't mean it's bad. They're called "fans" for a reason (fanatics). Star Wars fans are terrible and determining quality and actually justifying why they think something is bad.
That's why you get dumbasses complaining about "fire in space" in fucking Star Wars, review bombing a show before it even came out, and calling it "woke" because the main characters aren't white men. And that's why you get idiots like you complaining that the writing teams were "complaining about fans criticizing the issues in the shows," which is something they've NEVER done. Because you're either a gullible sheep following grifters, or you're one of those bigots who says bigoted things that are just vague enough (dogwhistles) that you can pretend that nothing you said was offensive. So you can claim that the writers who are calling out your bigoted behavior are against "legitimate criticism." When you know very damn well that your "legitimate criticism" is that you don't like seeing people of color, gay people, women, or trans people in prominent roles in media
What was the social messaging?
Manny is right. Being divided has only ever hurt Star Wars. I’m hoping that’ll change but the gap is so wide with so many only ever focused on the past and those who are open to some changes now. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic or perhaps the amount of negativity that radiates around Star Wars has grown tedious, but I hope that before George leaves this world, we can be one whole fandom again. We won’t have to love or hate everything, but we can least respect those differences as people. I mean, it shouldn’t be impossible to remain civil, especially with a fictional universe as beloved as this one.
Edit: The gap only continues to widen
Weird how this hate wasn’t around Rogue One, Andor, Mando, Clone Wars, Bad Batch, or Ahsoka?
@@ericp1139 you were lucky to miss it, because it was. Despite those being received well in their own ways, you had some that disliked a certain aspect about each one.
@@neofulcrum5013 oh really. Was Rosario Dawson doing diss track videos? Was SWT bashing Mando? Don’t gaslight me.
@@ericp1139 oh you should have have seen The response to Ahsoka in 2008 lmao
@@TheLastCommander8 oh yeah I remember that. Yikes lol
Star Wars actors go through a lot of shit because of the more toxic part of the fandom so I'm glad he has this mindset and for what it's worth I genuinely really enjoyed the show, I thought it could've been paced better but other than that it was fun.
I actually really liked the acolyte. I don’t really pay attention to fanbases, so I don’t even know why people were so upset about it…
The one issue I had with it was Ki Adi Mundi showing up, but that’s a minor complaint.
Besides the controversial witches in this show I really loved it and I hate that a lot of people are hating on everything about it
@@DarthAnakin73 maybe if there was any good story writing it wouldn’t be so hated
It's a bit weird to hate on hating, don't you think? Maybe it should be better to try to understand reasons instead of hating back. Manny Jacinto in his quote is a perfect example of this, a graceful one
I personally thought that the witches were an interesting concept. The series still sucked because the writing and casting weren't very good.
I already liked this guy from The Good Place, and this just makes him even more of a W in my book
Sure Manny, nobody liked Andor, Rogue One or Mando season 1 and 2... It's the fans fault for maturing lmao.
Joke?
Ur joking about noone liking those shows or season right?
@@PlutoKushChris Yes, i'm being sarcastic.
@@StarWarsSegredosnah bro think about it, all you have to do is ignore all the examples of things going against his statement, and he’s not 100% correct. 😂
Honestly I agree. And it’s just so sad to see how the Star Wars fanbase is so toxic foton reason (in most of the times). Sure there have been some bad or even stupid and sh*t like stuff in the newer Star Wars media but it’s not always so bad yet “fans” just love to hate on anything tbh. I mean look how the og trilogy fans hated the prequels and now the Ep III is in Top 3 Star Wars movies for most of the fans and the Clone Wars is the best SW show to this day. And yeah Acolyte had some amazing stuff too (easily the best lightsaber battles in live action since the prequels, you can’t change my Mind on that) even if it wasn’t the best show. Most of the fans are just haters Honestly.
Both you and Manny Jacinto said it PERFECTLY. I wish everyone thought the same way you do.
Perfectly stated. I think there are two factions that are responsible for almost all of the insufferable toxicity. The first is what he describes. We'll call them the Conflicted Nostalgics. The rest is comprised of much younger fans that have only existed in the age of the internet, with it's trolls and keyboard warriors, and a time where every character should have a perfectly fleshed out backstory and people can't be bothered with allowing a story to develop. This group wants perfection and instant satisfaction but will only be open to those things if what they see on screen is exactly what they want, no deviation.
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Worst part of being a SW fan is the section of the fanbase that just wants to shit on everything.
This is not George Lucas's Star Wars. The writing, acting, and storytelling are horrific and stray away from the legacy of the most successful franchise pre Disney Star Wars. 0:57 The Bad Batch has more depth, emotion, characters and an incredible story than this series.
They need to be better, just tell good stories and keep identity politics out of it.
Let the Earth Wars end, so that the Star Wars may rise
Part of me wonders how Star Wars Theory would react if he hears about this.
Or maybe he doesn't like the show. Or is that not allowed?
He would definitely respect this answer cause it's not offensive and also cause it's true. Of course when you are a child you only feel the emotion but when you grow you analyse what has created it. So you're more critical of new products.
Honestly Manny and the actor from Squid Game (I don't remember his name unfortunately) were the best things the Acolyte offered. Really good interpretation, nice people and they genuinely seem passionate about what they did more than about political agendas
@@esuomiit seems like you know nothing about Star Wars Theory and probably the one being hateful since the name mocking and prejudice. SWT just comments on what he sees, both from shows and from people intervies. Also he says since day one to not go after people that have different ideas in a negative way, but from the other side (especially Twitter) there is not mutual respect and people were really putting attacks on him and not on the content of his videos
@straybard_art I could link you tons of video in which he asks to not be offensive but you know people have something called free will so in the end you just decide what to do on your own. Even when you decide you're gonna do everything another person says.
Also sometimes it's just polarising on both sides, which is weird to me cause you (not you stray, it's a general you) complain about the intolerance while insulting others personally. A civil conversation should just be about the content whether you say you like it or not
The show does deserve the backlash its getting because Leslye Headland can't take criticism or come up with orignal ideas, she decides to call the fans racist and sexist yes im sure that will get people to come and watch her show.
Keep in mind a show that fails in every sense. At least it failed at all the things Leslye would be in control of. Since the only good thing was the choreography, which even then adds nothing in terms of actual character development through what they do in the fights.
I agree. It’s the cycle of fandom. The trick is to keep an open mind and remember that everyone working on any project - especially Star Wars - really want nothing less that to make a great show. And also to remember, as we get older and experience more things, it’s harder for us to be impressed by or get lost in a film or story the same way we were or got when we were kids. Although it still does happen occasionally (for me, Christopher Nolan repeatedly manages to achieve this, recently with Oppenheimer).
I have said this elsewhere. I first saw Star Wars as a 5vr old in 1978. I still use that feeling as a reference for film enjoyment/ appreciation. If I get that wow buzz it is a good movie no matter the genre. When it comes to the Acolyte I liked it. It was a bit clunky but I thought it made some daring and different story decisions and this was good. But, the most important thing was that it was a show I watched with my 11 and 15 year old kids. I got enjoyment out of their enjoyment and that counts for something.
Well said and he was the star of the show but the back lash came before the first episode aired. So what does that tell you?
I like new star wars I'm just happy to have more star wars. I don't want to go back to the days of limited star wars. I want the amount of star wars I can watch to keep growing. I'm in my 40s I love the original trilogy I love the prequels and despite wishing the films had more of a theme and planning I don't mind disney star wars. I love all the shows so far. Keep making star wars
Definitely did not deserve the atrocious reviews (lower than Holiday Special indicates review bombing). It had flaws but the nitpicking and pulling apart every inconsistency is extremely tiresome (complaints about a fire in space - it’s Star Wars not a documentary!)
Going forward, Star Wars fans need to accept that not every show or film will be for them. Different stories with different perspectives, created by varying creative teams or writers and artists. Andor for the older more politically educated. Ahsoka for the mid fans who watched all the animated series. Skeleton Crew for families of younger children etc etc.
people forget star wars is silly. its space wizards fighting with lazer swords. military soldiers can’t hit a target 10 ft away, and the most evil and powerful man to ever exist gets carried like a baby and thrown down an elevator shaft.
its okay to be critical of media but to act like putting out a flawed piece of star wars is the worst thing to ever happen is hilarious. as bad as even the sequels were, no reason to be mad
It’s not that people are made about change, or wanting to experience the same nostalgic feelings. its simply a badly written show that disrespects the lore from lucas, paired with terrible acting and nepotism
He just had to say the truth didn't he....and he said it so perfectly without being rude...
Yes it did deserve it. It has no story. At least the prequels had a good story, it was the dialogue that suffered
He's 100% right. I have a few gripes with the acolyte but for me his character among others I did like. There were positives from the show, most people scream louder about the negatives and the press.
I don’t have influence to criticize any show or movie. I simply make fun of it when the dialogue and story are stupidly written. Remember the word “FUN”. Folks Watch 2 Critical Drinker Videos and are led to believe they are film critics when clearly they are not. There’s just too much content out there that would lead you astray in believing you’re some kind of esteemed art connoisseur when you’re not.
I think Mae barely has double digits in brain cells. Just killer off already. Every single person (that got actual screen time) who are not the twins is basically a beta male that you put up with or another dead female character that gets a flashback when you know they’re gone already.
I think if the show was as it was it would be fine with only normal backlash, but the actors potrayed better PR I think it would have not gotten this much hate. The disstrack, "Anakin Blowing up the death star", and other forms of incompetence from the people behind the film really make it insulting. Adding the cherry on the icing the amount of media, and Disney backlash will get you even more resentment.
It still had plenty of issues in the writing to get the amount of backlash it did
@@SillyBrigade I totally agree, but the amount of arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity from the handling of the project and themselves just adds more fuel to the flame. They turned it from a fire burning a bakery to the London fire
@@yanirmicha3206 you are absolutely correct, there was a good reason no one was excited even before this came out.
The Acolyte isn't a bad show, yes it has flaws, especially in the pacing, but overall it was enjoyable. Disneys problem is that they treat all their shows equally even when they know the quality isn't equal. Not everything has to be the next big thing, but if they treat it as such that's when it causes issues and hurt feelings.
The Acolyte suffered because Leslye Headland went on a tour saying stupid things like "this is the gayest Star Wars project ever" creating controversy for no reason at all. The show had its flaws but the biggest one was that PR campaign
He knew what to cook and he cooked it damn well
Yesterday I watched the original Jurassic park. It had so many goofy scenes and inaccuracies that if it came out today the fanbase and the critics would destroy it. So I encourage people to try and watch the whole show, try to remember what the franchise was in the beginning and then judge. Also the argument about the budget isn't entirely accurate because the show has much better visuals than the original films and technology has changed so much
If they didn't want bad backlash they would make a good show
Yeah you can hate the show if you want but it is over hated, and then Star Wars fans attacking each other is such a big problem. I’ve been insulting so many times for liking the show it’s insane. I wish the fandom was more understanding but I feel like it will never change.
Yes it deserved the backlash.
He’s got a point
As long as, you ignore how well written shows had good reception. Especially when they weren’t complaining that the fans are just racist
The power of Manny!
0:01 Qimir - the Smilo Ren, the Old Spice Mine Commercial Man and the client of Darth Plagueis, the banker, who owed him a huge debt from the loans he borrowed from him.
Man that actor is cool. One of the only reasons I was interested in the show at all.
Umm it did deserve all the backlash
In my opinion, he is right. There ARE going to be significant differences in writers, directors, etc. but a LOT of hate CAN be avoided. It just feels like writers on these new shows are purposefully making these little changes and bad decisions to, like, just CAUSE controversy. Like Ki-Adi Mundi. They didn’t need to bring him in, they could’ve done something else, but it feels as though they did that to show they could do that, rather than they wanted to
It's sad that Manny Jacinto has to try to defend this trash. He deserves better, and The Acolyte deserves the backlash it got.
Gladly would watch another season of Acolyte following things onward with some backstory fill-in on Qimir and Vernestra stuff. It wasn't as bad as some people made it out to be, and deserves an honest watch untainted.
All things considered manny handled the criticism really well he isn’t shitting on the people that hired him because that isn’t going to do anything and he isn’t shitting on the fans because that is wrong
It's not a good point, though. I watch The Empire Strikes Back regularly, and the movie is just as good as it was when I was a boy and remains one of the best films ever made. The truth is Disney puts out poorly written/acted shows. It's not because our "taste" has matured. But at least he didn't call the fans racists and/or sexist. So he gets points for that.
People really acting like the acolyte is like CWs flash.
Tbh I don't like the flash but it's groovy that people like it. No big whooooooop.
Pretty refreshing to see a Hollywood actor react to backlash without accusing the audience of being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc…
It's almost like most of the backlash these days has nothing to do with the actual quality of the content and instead focuses on actual fucking racism, sexism, and homophobia that bigots love to pretend doesn't exist. It's very clear the actor is only phrasing things this way because he's trying hard not to be controversial. Because racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, etc. are the most sensitive crybabies in existence. They want to complain about the existence of people not like them, and then get upset when they have to face consequences for it.
I personally loved the show. It wasn't perfect but it had a profundity at its subtext which I'm not sure the vast majority of Star Wars fans is ready to appreciate.
I don't appreciate slop
@@jamesh4616 I'm glad because me neither. And the Acolyte wasn't slop. If you think it is, you're wrong.
@@thestarkknightreturns The power of peee. The power of pooooo.
THE POWER OF PeeeeEEEEE PooOOOO
Literally the entire plot hangs on a thread of people making nonsensical decisions for zero reason. Literally if Sol explained WHY he killed Osha's Mother Sol would probably still be alive. But no, all he could say is I LoVe YoU. If your plot relies on your characters being morons then your story is slop.
You are more than welcome to watch the Acolyte or the Sequels and stare at the screen going duuuuuuhhhhhh. But you and people like you are the reason we aren't getting quality content anymore because you have enabled the standards to be pathetically low.
@@thestarkknightreturns Well this aged poorly bahahaha
@@jamesh4616 no. It just proved my point. The vast majority of Star Wars fans are major idiots.
Shows like Mando and Andor were different yet very well received. Just give fans a good show, not hot garbage. Manny was the best of this mess though.
On the plus side, nobody was sent death threats this time, that I know of. Progress (I guess)
😬 I bring poor news in that regard
@@garbotoxins840 unsurprising
I meaaan yeahh but I didn't get into Star Wars until 2019 n even I see the clear difference between Star Wars pre n post Disney
He was the best part of the show. His muscular arms are something I want to strive to get. He plays the duality of a pharmisict and a sexy Sith so well. If there is a Season 2, since Sol is dead, he's gonna be carrying the show.
Well said but there is a difference between change and actually changing the lore of an established franchise.
Legends are official lore anymore
For me it depends what changes. The outrage about ki adi mundi is imo so much exaggerated it’s insane in itself. It’s just about one quote (which they didn’t break and solved in a satisfied way) and his age. He’s a minor side character who got no attention there it doesn’t really matter if his species becomes one with a long/short lifespan. It would be different if they would change the race of Darth plagueis or anakins background
@@Minifutzi_o.O like, there's nothing in the new canon saying how old his species lives
@@Minifutzi_o.O Not talking about that. Meant Anakin not being the only person made by the force. Also now implying that Plageious got this from the witches just kind of weakens his character now.
God bless you.
@@ariel2179 Not talking about legends. Talking about Anakin not being the first to be made by the force.
God bless you.
I think the acolyte is the exception considering andor, bad batch, Mando, and more. Some stuff is just bad and thats okay.
Calling the bullshit.
Example the „The Mandalorian“ season 1 did exactly reel in old and new viewers.
I think they get the right amount of Backlash or perhaps not enough, i mean, when you have an actor that says the main point of the series was to make White people rage, then you may have a problem there. And there have been quite amount of good Star Wars content along the years, as far as i remember, the Clone Wars and Rebels released after the original trilogy and the Prequels and most recently we have the Mandalorian, so i'm pretty sure the problem isn't with the fans growing up.
I will say I expect better from Disney because they arguably have more resources than George Lucas had. He's getting there. I'm more critical because I understand the story and the plot points in the Acolyte are questionable and don't do well with current lore. Dialogue may have been stilted in the prequels but Disney does not have that excuse. You can't make a show on that level (perhaps lower) and claim its positioned above prequel quality, especially the lightaaber fights.
Wrong. This isn't about different tastes this is about bad. Everyone loved the animated 3d series. They were knew too. They too changed a lot of the Lord. They were loved because they were good even if they were made for kids.
So this is wrong.
I understand what he says but at the same time you could also argue that Andor would have suffered from the same critics... the Acolyte didn't desreve the amount of hate it got in the premiere but it also wasn't nearly as good as it could have been
I think he's right about other shows, but the Acolyte was genuinely bad product. Unfortunately, some ppl kicked up such a stink over things that were ok or average (so it appeared as an overreaction) it can be a bit of calling wolf too many times. So then an already gasl1ghty company, and politically motivated show runners will find it easy to just say "oh theyre overreacting again".
The studio puts these actors in tough situations. The show sucks not because it didn't remind you of what you saw as a kid but the writing and characters were terrible. As an adult, you see right through paper thin scripts.
In context in the full interview (which is not included in this video) he was referring to how the Prequels and Hayden were perceived back then vs. today, and that he can only hope that that will be the same with The Acolyte. You can say he's putting his hopes in the wrong basket, but he was asked a question and he had to have an answer in a public interview.
Lol nah there's not accepting change and there's extremely bad writing. Before we knew what the show was all about there was the chance to see what "The Acolyte" is supposed to represent in the world and view of the Dark Side and the Sith far away from anything Skywalker related, then when we got this story the ideas were still interesting, the execution was... Well just that an execution and an ugly public one at that.
I don’t get this point because of all the andor fans that came out only 2 years ago
Because the narrative doesn’t work for Rogue One, Andor, Mando, Ahsoka, etc.
@@ericp1139swap Ashoka with like bad batch or something and your on point
Both the interviewer and Manny were specifically talking just about The Acolyte. Not Disney Star Wars as a whole.
@@Fear_the_Nog is that why he compared it to other Star Wars properties and implies it to all Star Wars media
@@Fear_the_Nog that doesn’t make any sense I’m saying his point is wrong because he’s saying Star Wars fans are hating this show because they hate all new Star Wars property but there is good Star Wars shows that have come out recently that fans like such as andor
It did deserve all the backlash. Give us better writers and directors
Bro we aren’t looking for that we want the old Star Wars back because it was amazing
This makes total sense. I have been a fan since the original Star Wars in 1977, but the new films (including the prequels) are not going to have the same feel as the original trilogy for me. I don’t expect them to. If I want that feeling I watch the original trilogy (not the special editions but I watch that too). I won’t backlash to the prequels, sequels, the Disney plus shows because there is no way in hell they are going to give me that feeling as a little boy. It’s called expansion and moving forward. The kids of the prequels are the same way too. They are not getting the same feeling as the prequels. The kids of today will be the same too. It’s not a negative thing, but it depends on how the fans react.
There is also the cumulative lack of quality of the Disney produced content. The three sequels are AWFUL and make the prequels all the more acceptable even though people still can't stomach Jar Jar Binks, Amadala's ridiculous costume changes or Mannequin Skywalker's wooden acting. Solo was lame, even Rogue One could have been better and the following Andor series is very good.
They did a great job with the first 2 seasons of The Mandolorian. The 3rd season's writing went to hell and Mando was a supporting character in his own series in order to develop other upcoming series launches. Andor is well done under Tony Gilroy's stewardship. Ahsoka and Obi-Wan Kenobi are somewhat mixed in their writing but exceptional acting talent.
As for the Acolyte, it suffered from numerous problems. I don't fault any of the actors but unfortunately they shoulder a disproportionate amount of the blame. Jacinto is in a hard place, trying to preserve his future work but also being contractually obligated to talk up the series even if he actually hates it himself as many of the sequels actors have made clear. There is a distinct and very loud marketing/pr department effort by Disney to shout down any dissent among fans as they pound out revenue from the hugely expensive franchise property they purchased. They are not the first studio to mismanage such a thing.
Man that is definitely accurate to Star Wars! Definitely a good way of presenting the issue up!
He was one of the few shining lights of the show. Sucks that he’s gonna be stuck in that era and not really able to move out, and I doubt we get a S2. Even the optimist in me loves everything Star Wars cannot see this show go a second season
His character in the TV series was the only one I really enjoyed. He is also correct. Us star Wars fans are nearly impossible to please.
This thinking is wrong. Divisness should be normally fixed by good product not compromising on so many flaws which this show is undoubtedly riddled with. It's not about the culture changing when the writting is objectively terrible. The backlash is well deserved.
It also must be frustrating for the cast of this show or any Star Wars because the fans are comparing it to their first time/childhood experience. This show will probably be some kids experience, and they might hate the OG one.
Og cradle fan here …watch or don’t watch. Evolve ;Anakin Did…like any universe. May the force be with y’all and behave 😮
I have been saying something like this for a while among my friends and family. I wholeheatedly agree
The show was alright don’t get me wrong it has flaws but I did enjoy Qimir and Sol quiet a lot.
so is it "if you like star wars you are just childish" or "if you like old star wars but not new star wars you are too mature". ive heard both recently now
Open minds can help.