PEDAL CONFIGURATION and FOOT PLACEMENT | CYCLE SUNDAY
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2018
- Today for cycle Sunday I discuss as much as I can about my pedal configuration and placement. How and why I came to have an unorthodox style of foot placement, and if my pedal extenders and pedal choice have helped my ride over the years. I also talk about my knee problems and my overall knee health.
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People always forget about the importance of pedals and the various options, thank you for the instruction!
Thank you Matt for a very informative VLOG. I like your format. Saturday's Quadlock discussion and Sunday's Pedal discussion were very informative. Thank you and "JaYoe!
Pretty interesting. Nice to know a bit more about the trike and how you ride 🤙 Jayoe!
Hi Matt... My wife and I ride Greenspeed Magnums. We average around 3000 - 4000 kms per year on our tours. The Magnum has no suspension. I have experienced leg suck once when I ran over my right leg. Fortunately(!?), while I was going pretty fast downhill, running over my leg caused me to crash into a ditch pretty well immediately so I had a bunch of painful scrapes and colourful bruises but nothing broken, beyond a side mirror. I know the reason it happened too - I hit a rough section on the road unexpectedly and the leg that was NOT pushing is the one that I ran over! Now I ride clipped in. However, after 6 to 8 hours or more, I experience the same numb foot issue as you describe. I have taken to un-clipping one foot at a time to move around on the pedal. I like your analysis and I may go back to platforms. One thing I find, however, is I get a huge power increase with the reverse pull while clipped in. That's very handy, especially when I need a quick acceleration. I also use the Kneesavers - best investment ever! I run a Schlumpf Mountain Drive and a Nuvinci N380 with a 60 tooth sprocket on the front. My Sunday Trike suggestion is actually about your camera setup - how do you video while riding? Why isn't it all jerky and seasick-promoting (as mine are)? How come your sound is so much better than my efforts? After riding thousands of kms in all kind of conditions, what kind of camera would you recommend?? PS. We love what you are doing and have followed you from the beginning. 73, Larry and Debbie
What I’ll do is go over my writing recording set up in the next gear video on Friday. I’ll show you the camera I use and I’ll show you exactly how I hold it in order to get that really nice clean shot. Glad you didn’t break a leg.
Appreciate the information videos. Been heavy thinking about getting a trike. been seeing the options and prices vary so much having a tough time figuring out what's what. Thank you!
Hi there. Thanks for showing the padleextentions. I am going to try them for the same reason. All the best
Really insightful. Thank you so much.
Very interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.
Very informative Matt!
Very informative, thank you!
Really love this idea of cycling Sunday Matt . Despite what some of us have said about your fit on the Trike only you know what is comfortable . The only down side to the foot position on a recumbent is gravity is working against you not for you as it is on a regular bike . Some of the energy you could be using to go forward is being used up to hold your feet in the air , and for that reason alone I will always support being clipped in . Plus cyclist in all positions know all too well about hotspots in your shoes with many solutions but for me I had to recently spend way too much on a pair of Shimano XC9 to finally get rid of it but are the most comfortable shoes I have worn ..
I do the same in my road bike, my pedals are like yours, when going uphill in the sitting position, I found easier if you do the pedaling with the middle part of the feet. JaYoe Matt!
Thankyou for the informative suggestions. I have also found that moving my feet slightly around relieves stress, and also using wide platform pedals. Its nice to know that I am not alone in this seemingly odd habit. Happy riding!
yea! it is certainly helpful... restricting movement cased me a lot of problems.
Great video. Thank you 🫡
Very interesting...I never made the link between the "numbing" feeling in my feet and my pedal clips...will definitely investigate, thanks Matt !
Wow, I've been riding Trikes for almost 10 years...Leg Suck...ouchhh...it never happened to me before starting to wear clips ( a thing to consider before taking mine off !!!)
Great info , thanks!
I like the sound of the pedal extenders....think I will try them too...
Within days of getting a Catrike , my right foot slipped off several times and I ended up with a nasty road rash above my right heel. I immediately got pedal extenders and clipins, and all is well. Previous to switching to the Catrike I put in about 30,000 miles in five years on my regular bike, without clipins! I. detested them on regular bikes.
Thank you for this helpful information.
Very informative - stay safe!
Huhu, nice information! How about for the the next sunday - saftey measures for the bike / you - e.g. light reflectors etc.
Very good and very informirive vlog Matt. Just a thought on Pedal straps, are they any good for long haul trips,,,,,,cheers
Verry good tip. Until now I also use Shimano cleats and I have exactly the same effect and problems. But I'm if I do not use them, I'm afraid that I can't the push back orr pull effect and need more muscle energy in fact.
I experienced leg suck once. No broken bones, but painful and some nice bruises. I now have the same pedals as yours. I clip in when riding on rough pavement or in twisties. On smooth straight stretches, I unclip and flip the pedals over, placing my arch over the pedal. Much more comfy. My next "solution" will be to have Bill Barre of FB's Recumbent One group build me some "arch clip" shoes. He moves the clip back to the arch area. Users swear by them.
Have you never thought of getting a windshield? It reduces air resistance and protects against insects.
Nice vid. Hot foot is def been a topic as of late. I too suffer from this and am looking at making some form of change. Here is a possible topic.... Helmet vs no helmet. I believe it’s different on a trike compared to on a bike for pros/cons. Would luv too here your opinions on this one.
As always, nice to see on the trike again.
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Matt's profile looks exotic on sunglasses and neon tshirt that'll draw attention better with recumbent trike
Hey ,Matt I think a video about the suspension would be interesting. Are they adjustable shocks or springs for different types of weight? Can they raise or lower the travel height? Can you adjust for a softer ride ? Or stiffer for more aggressive feel ?
Oh boy I had the whole scenario you talked about, I even had my leg get suck in and that hurt but not to serious. I guess I'll try it all over again. The road pedals might be an option they're wider than the mountain bike ones that seem to pinpoint the pressure.
I ditched clipping in on my FS26 too, I use mountain bike style platform pedals with metal studs that provide plenty of grip. I can move my foots point of contact around a bit to prevent numb-foot.
Yes, indeed! I totally agree. These are the ones I use: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018J1J7QE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
They really work great, I put them on all my recumbents and I never have numb foot anymore. Like Matt pointed out getting your foot lower at times also helps eliminate fatigue.
I've just come across this video and wonder if you still continue to use pedal extensions. I have problems with my knees too. Thanks for this video.
Depending on your fit, clipped in can let you relax your legs a bit - I first rode on a crowned tar and chip ride without clips. I was so tired afterwards from holding my legs up and on the pedals that I put on my clip shoes and swapped pedals. I still rode upright at the time, but had switched to non-clip pedals because of hot-foot issues (so the opposite of what worked on the trike). I’ve now modified a set of old Shimano shoes for mid-arch cleat position and am very happy with it. I use the Click-r dual-sided pedals on the trike- which are easier to clip-in and -out of than Shimano’s other models.
On my two wheeler I had clip-ins I kept getting numb big toes, moved the clip around same problem so took those off also ditched the shoes, expensive but useless. I then changed my shoes to just thick soled, waterproof North Face outdoor shoes and have used them ever since, saves carrying two pairs shoes but I do cycle in colder climates. I changed my pedals several times but ended up getting large flat pedals and those are excellent, when I get my hp I’ll transfer and see if the pedals work okay, but clip-ons I won’t use again. I may also try a shoe insert for plantar fasciitis as I had it... but don’t anymore... and boy it’s painful but the insert was like super cushions👌 What make and type of shoes are those shoes your wearing in this video? Don’t have to tell me now could be a shoe review video?? Great review and live stream 👍
Thank you for your testimony. This is very good info.ok my Q; How are you faring after 20k KM with Tires Tubes and Brakes ? How often do you need to replace your tires due to worn treds? Which Brand / style do you recomend for long term tred wear?
My Dream/Goal is to design a Large Wheel (29"-39") ETrike for Cross Country /State Riding. So far I have noticed the rubber on my 29"MntBike wears down within a 4 month time line. Just doing daily 5 mile rides. Thanks again keep up the Great Work! I wish You Safe Fun Riding. V/R, TONY
Pedaling Innovations Catalyst pedals are great pedals for a midfoot position, which is the best position. The problem with a variable foot position is that the effective boom length varies as well, which can cause issues.
Yea. I found a real gold sweet spot for them
How about covering the cycle shoes that have the clip in the arch area instead of more towards the toe. One it positions the foot better for recumbent cycling and two it keeps you attached.
I commute 30k/day on my Gekko and pedaling in the middle of my shoe has shown itself to be the most comfortable position of all. In a recumbent you can put way more force on your pedals and the ball isn't built for force, it's built for jumping and landing. Dead lifters don't go up on the balls of their feet, they keep the weight closer to the heel. You wouldn't carry a heavy box on your tiptoes etc... A suggestion for a cycle Sunday would be the drive train. How do you keep it clean, specifically how to de-grease and clean the insides of your chain tubes.
The goal of weight lifting and carrying a heavy box is to lift something off the ground. The goal of cycling is to push the pedals away from your hips.
i agree, but for roadcycling it's using higher cadence, and they use their calves to add more watts.
thats why they pedal with their toes, bc they can use more force rather than purely downstrokes
i actually noticed this even when i do MTB with flats, if i rise my saddle, i tend to use my toes and i feel more power on higher cadences
but on another hand, i end feeling discomfort on longer rides from the saddle and even on my feets
higher cadences and toes pedaling allows to produce more power without getting too much anaerobic, but it can cause discomfort
while for longer pedaling times, lower cadence, and more heel pedaling is more confortable, and you dont care much about higher power transfer, you can about comfort, its kinda like walking
Maybe you could explain X-Seam measurement and fitting a recumbent to the rider.
I have an extra wide foot and healthy knee history. I still find I want to position my feet wider on my trike. I have sandals that can clip in and have hesitated to buy shoes because so few might fit my width. You have just influenced me to look at pedal extenders and those twist in straps I've seen. I have had my foot slip off. My trike frame is non-suspension and it can be jarring on rough pavement. I have sufficient reaction time and strength to not have foot suck be a worry. I do know from backpacking experience that even strong people get clumsy when fatigued. That's why I would want to keep the clip-in option open. After a while I moved the sandal hardware closest to the heel.
I've ridden both clipped in and not. Clipped in my feet would also get numb. I now have a pedal attachment that uses velcro straps to hold my heals in or to keep them from falling off the pedals. The only time I ever lost my footing on a pedal is when I was really tired, but I would catch myself really quickly and not have a problem. I have had the knee savers since day one. I do however move my feet around like you. I like having that option and my feet tend to last longer on the trike, before having to get up and stretch. I no longer use the clips and just ride with my tennis shoes.
dbkguy could you post a link to the pedal attachments you use?
I'd like to know too
Hay Matt, loving the vlogs. I am a fellow trike “pilot”;) I have lower limb damage both Achilles are shot and I ride the same heel on pedal eliminating the anckle flex your right about the position being effective and less tiresome while I doing off-road / beach riding.
Right. And I think you get more torque force. If that makes sense.
I agree you probably have low speed torque and a lower speed /comfort over distance you with the rolhof speed hub and your smooth front drive switch with low drive train losses over the standard derailed system probably have better returns than myself running standard equipment.
There are two changes in the pedal configuration that affect recumbents (compared to conventional bikes).
First, the width between the pedals must be increased (compared to conventional bikes) to accommodate the natural 'splay' of the hips when in the recumbent position. (This is why your knees naturally spread apart - for women or for men - when in the sitting position). You have done this for your recumbent.
The second change is to reduce the crank length by 10-20mm. This is to accommodate the difference in hip movement for a recumbent bike compared to a conventional bike. (That is, the hip tends to move away from the direction of the pedal force on a recumbent, not towards as is the case for a conventional bike). This change will minimize 'over-extension' strain from the foot/ankle, especially the knees, and all the way to the hip.
I accomplished both requirements by mechanically clamping 'cut-off' crank arms to the outside of my existing crank arms. (The pedals are attached to the cut-off crank arms). It is then easy to adjust crank length and by experiment achieve the best crank length. This simple approach also does not permanently damage your existing components, I could send a photo...?
Sure. Send to mcgalat@gmail.com
I have sent you a photo along with a brief explanation of the pedal/crack modification.
I took my 170 mm cranks off the Giro A 20 touring bent and I now run 153 mm crank arms , far nicer on the knees with all the power and a better cadence too.
could you tell the exact model number of the Shimano flat pedals you reviewed. Also the brand model number of your mirrors. Thanks much.
well, if you're going to do segments on a day every week or so, looks like you need to do some B roll, and do scenic Tuesdays for those clamoring for more ride footage :)
I believe it's called the Q-factor (what you do with the knee-savers). Second, google the flat pedal revolution manifesto. And finally (not that YOU need it) but MTB pedals have pins to give extra grip.
Are there any options to keep the feet from sliding off the pedals with out having the feet strapped in?
Hi. Have you ever ridden a triot trike? How did you decide to purchase the scorpion?
Question: do recumbent bicyclists get "Bike Fit"s? I found with bicycle touring, comfort is key. If you have poor pedal position / wrong seat height / forward - aft seat position / forward - aft stem position / bar width / brake hood positions (I ride with road bike type bars) = these positions become very important over long distances while cycling.
I had leg suck occur on a SWB two-wheel recumbent and the resulting crash could have been a LOT worse than it was. As it was I ground one knee to the bone and slid along the pedals and gears, ripping myself up along the way.
I now refuse to ride a 'bent of any kind without a heel strap of some kind (the adjustable Velcro kind seem to be best).
Oval driving sprocket. Like or hate? Should smooth out power stroke.
Where did you get the pedal extenders
The pedalsavers come in three lengths - wondering which is his, the 20 mm? That's the shortest, then 25 and 30.
Where do I buy the extender
I have some hip problems and will these be good for me to use the peddal extenders? Thanks for this.planning on getting a Gran Turismo, sometime and I'm watching a lot of videos to keep me informed about the importance of ridding.. thanks for your videos they help
I think they have helped. They certainly haven’t hurt.
Is that a cadence or power meter at your crank?
Boom first !
My left pedal has reverse thread but it doesn't work.
Since you don't clip in, you don't need the special shoes. Have you noticed much of a difference between the various shoes you now get to wear (including none) on how sore your feet get at the end of the day?
Let us know what chain oil u use
Not pedal related but where did you get your mirrors? I am looking for my Morpheus tandem bike and I'd like to install at least one and it seems this one fits narrower holes than the traditional holes found in the bars.
The mirrors were from hp velotechnik in Germany
Leg suck! Once riding a normal bicycle wearing flip flops when been passed very close by a truck I got "little toe suck" between the pedal and the sidewalk curb. Probably about 3 yards before I could pluck it out. About a quarter sanded away so this leg suck thing has me retracting my legs just thinking about it.
I had forgotten about breaking my big toe riding a two wheeler on a metal pipe concealed in grass long ago until you mentioned this. The top of my shoe collided with the circular end cap. That unyeilding pipe rotated the crank to the backward horizontal position and stopped my bike suddenly propelling me sidelong.
I like the idea of the knee savers if you have wide hips but, I would HIGHLY recommend clipping in! I’ve seen it far to regular that people in my Facebook groups report running over their own legs and having very nasty photos as proof!!! It’s really not worth the risk. One really bad foot slip injury “could” stop you riding forever!
An intelligent person learns from his mistakes. A wise person learns from other people’s. 😉👍
Nice video though, I was struggling with pins and needles when I first started. Then I pulled the SPDs all the way rearward towards the heel. Don’t really have an issue now. I did give this video a thumbs down, which might seem harsh as I enjoyed the video but, the severity of not clipping in can ruin people’s lives imho. As a disabled man, if I had followed this advice and become more severely injured, it would leave me spending the rest of my life stuck indoors. So hopefully you’ll understand my reasoning. You may not agree but, hopefully you’ll respect my viewpoint. 🙂
Newbee, Well interested in the videos looked over, feel already the peddle is not there, Cheers
Logical. Moving your foot on the pedal closer to the heel puts your ankle closer to the point of pressure. Putting your foot (clip-in style) means your pedal contact closer to the ball of your foot as if you were walking all day on tip-toe.
update video would be cool
Yea boss
I had a leg suck the first week I got a trike. Was scared I broke my leg, but barely an abrasion. Dodged a bullet, I guess.
Stuck how?
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Did you ever ride at night? did you ever use that headlight?
my headlight is powered by the dynamo.... you see it in the cover.
I lost my footing it was scary the way you put your foot do a sharp turn you will hit the tire
Leg SUCK .. I have had a few trikes and none of them i would dare ride not clipped in .. However after getting the Hp FS26, I would never bother to clip in. Your feet feel really planted on the pedals because of the front suspension . Before getting the HP FS26 i would have never ridden not clipped in , Now I love not having to clip in at all.. :-)
That makes sense
over the midfoot baby
Here’s the link to the Velcro heal slings I use or similar. tadpolerider2.wordpress.com/2017/09/15/jsrl-design-vs-terratrikes-new-heel-slings/
How is your family do with you away so much...?
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Did you get a flag yet?
0:11 That's 20 megameters
do you really have to play that monotonous background music behind your dialogue?